Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1358 ｜ Cardi B’s Reaction to the Karmelo Verdict Radicalized Me

00:00:00.620 Carmelo Anthony was found guilty of murder and sentenced to 35 years in prison. We've got

00:00:06.120 wild reactions from Cardi B and Congress. Also, there was a debate on Twitter over whether or not

00:00:14.180 Mormonism is Christianity and the recognition of Christianity by the Department of War. We will

00:00:21.080 wade into this debate, and we've got so much more to cover on today's episode of Relatable.

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00:00:40.840 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.

00:00:46.300 Just want to thank you all for your mini congratulations on baby number four that is

00:00:51.660 headed our way sometime this fall. We are super excited and y'all have just been so sweet in your

00:00:56.760 comments and your messages. If you haven't heard the news, then surprise, I am pregnant with number

00:01:01.740 four. And you can go back and listen to Monday's episode. I talk about finding out that I was

00:01:05.920 pregnant and how we kind of went through deciding whether or not we wanted to try for number four.

00:01:12.840 And of course, ultimately, God is the author of life and he decides how and when to bless us with

00:01:19.760 children. And I'm just so thankful for this gracious gift. My husband and I both are. So

00:01:25.020 thank you all so much for your prayers. All right. We've got a lot of news to get into today

00:01:30.980 and everything worked out. We originally were going to talk about Carmelo Anthony on Monday,

00:01:36.840 but then we changed plans. And of course, over the past couple of days, so much has developed

00:01:43.340 with the trial and then the verdict and then the sentencing and then the reaction to all of that.

00:01:48.440 And so we'll get into that today since we now have the full perspective on everything that went down.

00:01:53.500 But first, this just in, as I'm recording this, the Southern Baptist Convention has voted on the constitutional amendment that was put forth by Al Mohler.

00:02:03.580 That is the, um, that's the truth and unity amendment.

00:02:08.000 And this is solidifying and shrining in the Southern Baptist constitution that women cannot hold the office or function of pastor.

00:02:17.040 So this constitutional amendment passed with 74.66% of the vote.

00:02:23.860 So that is the two-thirds vote, more than the two-thirds vote, that is needed to keep going.

00:02:31.560 So it's not done yet.

00:02:32.640 This constitutional amendment is not going to be ratified because next year, the SPC, the messengers, have to vote again.

00:02:39.640 And if they pass that two-thirds threshold again, then this amendment will be enshrined

00:02:46.000 in the SBC Constitution.

00:02:48.600 And if you want to know more details, why is this necessary?

00:02:52.420 Isn't this basically already a part of Southern Baptist doctrine?

00:02:56.040 Isn't it in the Baptist faith and message?

00:02:58.520 We covered this thoroughly last week.

00:03:00.460 I really encourage you to go back and to listen to or watch that episode.

00:03:04.260 We'll link it in the description of this episode so you can know the details and hear more

00:03:09.220 of Al Mohler in his own words. His amendment says that it is to make clear that a cooperating

00:03:14.820 Southern Baptist church does not affirm, appoint, or endorse a woman serving in the office or

00:03:19.440 function of a pastor, elder, overseer, specifically preaching to the assembled congregation. So at the 0.54

00:03:27.760 SBC convention, which is happening right now, Al Mohler makes his pitch for this amendment.

00:03:33.540 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is an opportunity for Southern Baptists to speak in truth,

00:03:38.900 in unity, in conviction, consistent with our confession. There's a great line that divides

00:03:45.260 liberal and biblical evangelicalism, and you can see it on this very issue. The trajectory of

00:03:51.620 liberal denominations is clear. The Southern Baptist Convention, in adopting the Baptist

00:03:56.380 Faith and Message in the year 2000, stated confessionally that the office of pastor is

00:04:01.860 limited to men as qualified by scripture. Subsequent years, 26 subsequent years have

00:04:08.940 demonstrated that we need constitutional clarity on this issue. This will allow Southern Baptists 0.93

00:04:15.480 to move forward in unity and in truth. And I believe the Lord has brought us together in

00:04:21.060 Orlando, Florida to do just that. So that was part of the short speech that he made there

00:04:27.380 on the floor. And so we will see what happens next year. You got to keep up a lot of momentum

00:04:32.720 there. And those who are advocating for this amendment have to continue to make their case

00:04:38.680 through the convention in Indianapolis next year. Also, Willie Rice was just voted in as the new

00:04:46.240 president of the Southern Baptist convention. I didn't know much about Willie Rice. He is a pastor

00:04:52.400 from Baptist Church in Florida. But I hear from someone who is attending right now that this is

00:04:58.460 the more conservative pick. And so people are excited about that. Had some rough years there

00:05:04.820 in the SBC flirting with liberalism in a lot of ways when it comes to egalitarianism, when it

00:05:09.620 comes to social justice. And so these do seem like a turn in the direction of doctrinal biblical

00:05:16.460 faithfulness. And so we're happy about that. Maybe we'll have Dr. Moeller on sometime in

00:05:22.520 the next couple of weeks, just to talk about more of what's going on in the SBC and why it matters

00:05:27.360 whether you are Baptist or not. All right, now let's turn our eyes to Carmelo Anthony and his

00:05:33.340 murder trial. Those of you who have been listening for a long time, you know, born and raised in

00:05:39.560 Dallas, Texas. This occurred just minutes away from where I grew up. This hits closer to home

00:05:46.200 because of that, because these communities are so intertwined. I mean, I can picture in my mind's

00:05:51.480 eye so perfectly the kind of field on which this happened and where this is located in the Dallas

00:05:58.000 Metroplex. Of course, this matters objectively because these are people made in God's image

00:06:03.280 because a young man lost his life completely unnecessarily. And so I can't follow every

00:06:09.500 single trial and every single case that goes on in the country, but this one especially caught

00:06:14.480 my attention for a variety of reasons. Also because it speaks to this larger trend of

00:06:20.560 Western institutions having over-corrected in their approach to racism. So in an effort to

00:06:26.580 make up for past discrimination, especially in the United States, things like Jim Crow laws,

00:06:32.040 and in order to avoid accusations of racial bias, really the justice system and the media

00:06:38.460 often show greater sympathy toward minority offenders than toward white victims. And that's

00:06:44.800 wrong. That is unjust. It is just as unjust as discriminating against black people because of

00:06:51.020 the color of their skin or showing more sympathy toward white people because of the color of their

00:06:57.960 skin. It's wrong in both cases. Lady justice is supposed to be blind. And we don't just see this

00:07:02.820 trend here in the U S with Austin Metcalf and Carmelo Anthony. We also see it with the tragic

00:07:08.540 case of Henry Novak. We've watched that trial. Uh, we watched that trial and the verdict, uh,

00:07:15.100 take place, um, when it comes to that crime and Henry Novak losing his life. And we'll get into

00:07:21.080 more of that today as well. It shows that the sin of racial partiality is actually blinding Western

00:07:27.280 culture to true justice. And it's a deadly evil. Both killers were found guilty. Thank the Lord.

00:07:33.860 But the police negligence in Novak's case and the massive support of Carmelo Anthony, um, that he

00:07:40.320 was able to garner show how deep this rot is defending murders on the grounds of so-called

00:07:45.720 anti-racism. So that is why I'm looking at both of these cases. And while the verdict ended up

00:07:52.660 in the right direction in both, I'm still worried about aspects of how the conversation went,

00:07:58.720 how the debate went, and what it speaks to when it comes to how we define and carry out justice.

00:08:07.120 So let's first look at the murder trial of Carmelo Anthony. It began last week. The 19-year-old was

00:08:12.220 found guilty of murder and sentenced to 35 years in prison. On Tuesday afternoon, after stabbing

00:08:17.760 Austin Metcalf to death at a Frisco, Texas track meet in April, 2025, uh, because Carmelo was a

00:08:24.360 minor at the time of stabbing. He was 17. The death penalty was not on the table. There's a

00:08:29.980 possibility of parole after 17 and a half years, half of his sentence, he would be 36 and a half.

00:08:36.900 And so he could still get married, have children, which of course is much more of a future than he

00:08:41.820 allowed for Austin Metcalf. He pleaded not guilty, claiming the killing was self-defense.

00:08:49.400 And then we have that picture right there of Carmelo and the young man that he murdered,

00:08:54.920 Austin Metcalf, who was also 17 when he lost his life. So according to the arrest report,

00:09:01.100 Carmelo, a Frisco Centennial High School student, was in the tent for Frisco Memorial students. So

00:09:07.680 that's different high school in Austin. He was a student at Frisco Memorial asked him to leave.

00:09:13.320 They were both 17 at the time. Uh, Carmelo reportedly replied, touch me and see what

00:09:20.220 happens. Austin reportedly grabbed Carmelo's shoulders to move him. And Carmelo pulled a

00:09:25.500 knife from his bag and stabbed Austin in the chest. Austin died at the scene and the arms of

00:09:31.120 his twin brother, Hunter, this video, this interview of Hunter Metcalf after the incident

00:09:37.100 it happened it just lives on replay in my brain because of just how tragic this is set one he's a

00:09:43.720 good kid we just kind of walked occasion and that's really it but he has a good heart everyone

00:09:51.920 knows everyone around who knows he's a great kid just just one one mistake that dude and this

00:09:56.840 just took my brother just

00:09:59.220 He didn't deserve it.

00:10:04.060 No one deserves a loss from a family like that.

00:10:06.440 I know people that are still family members all the time.

00:10:08.620 Bajos and Osteen be mine so soon.

00:10:13.100 There are reports also that when he was holding his brother Austin,

00:10:16.880 as he was bleeding out, as he was taking his final breaths,

00:10:20.620 that Hunter was saying, this is my best friend.

00:10:22.820 This is my best friend.

00:10:23.980 I mean, I just cannot imagine the pain that he is still going through

00:10:29.040 I've seen a lot of people say over the past 24 hours, gosh, pray for Carmelo Anthony and pray

00:10:35.900 for his parents. Yes, absolutely. We should. Carmelo Anthony is a human being made in God's

00:10:41.800 image and he is not beyond redemption. No one is beyond redemption. I do pray for him. I pray that

00:10:46.680 God's kindness would lead him to repentance. I pray that in his jail cell, that when he is

00:10:52.760 dealing with the full brunt of the law and the full brunt of the consequences of his actions,

00:10:57.260 that Jesus would meet Carmelo Anthony where he is, that he would trust and believe in the gospel,

00:11:02.120 that he would be washed over with the guilt and the shame of his actions that can actually

00:11:06.720 lead to a humility and a repentance that is needed from all of us when we come to Christ

00:11:13.500 to realize, gosh, we are sinners in need of a savior and only by grace through faith

00:11:17.400 can we be saved. I pray that for Carmelo. I pray that for his family. If his family doesn't already

00:11:22.480 know Christ. But I also am praying for Hunter. I see fewer people, even on our side of things,

00:11:30.740 on the conservative side, saying, please pray for Hunter than I am seeing people say,

00:11:36.800 pray for Carmelo. Don't forget about Hunter Metcalf. Don't forget about his parents. I don't

00:11:42.680 know exactly where they are in their faith. They think all parties at one time or another have

00:11:47.140 kind of invoked Christianity. But gosh, pray that the God of all comfort would be with Hunter

00:11:51.860 because Satan can use this in Hunter's life to try to destroy his faith, to destroy his joy,

00:11:57.460 to destroy his hope. I mean, if he can, you know, if he can lead to the situation, if he can create

00:12:05.640 the kind of conflict and stoke the kind of division that would lead to a murder like this

00:12:11.740 and take the life, the physical life of one brother, it's just a win for him if he can try

00:12:16.660 to hurt spiritually the other brother. And so pray for protection, pray that God would redeem

00:12:21.020 the situation for Hunter and use this testimony, not only to help himself and to remind himself

00:12:28.820 of God's faithfulness in the darkest times, but also to help other people. So I just don't want

00:12:34.280 to see all of the sympathy shift toward Carmelo and his family. They deserve some sympathy because

00:12:40.320 they are people, of course, and they have also lost in a way, a son, a person. And it's really

00:12:46.740 sad, but I don't want us to forget that there is an entire family that is still reeling from the

00:12:54.220 very fresh loss of an innocent life in Austin. And so God is big enough to be working on a million

00:13:02.180 things when we only see one thing, but let's not forget that family and our prayers as well.

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00:14:35.020 So you'll remember that when Carmelo was arrested by the Frisco police,

00:14:39.300 that he confessed to them saying, I'm not alleged I did it. So I guess the police said something

00:14:45.840 along the lines of it's alleged that you stabbed him. And he just straight up said, I'm not alleged

00:14:51.820 I did it. And then he asked if what he did would constitute a self-defense. I see some people

00:14:58.480 trying to defend Carmelo saying that he was asking if Austin Metcalf was okay to the police. Well,

00:15:04.340 apparently it is because he wanted to see if he was going to go to prison for the rest of his life

00:15:09.700 he was asking uh is that self-defense he put his hands on me carmelo said i told him not to well

00:15:18.520 look there's a lot of things that we could tell someone not to do and if they do it we're still

00:15:23.020 not justified in murdering them and it's very sad that he doesn't have parents who taught him this

00:15:28.620 i mean this is obvious that just because someone disrespects you someone touches your shoulder

00:15:33.200 someone even shoves you. Although as we'll get into witness testimony, he said it was like a

00:15:37.560 very light push that Carmelo's body didn't even move when he was pushed. It wasn't anything

00:15:42.620 aggressive. But even if it had been, that's not a threat to your life. And so you don't get to

00:15:48.140 disproportionately respond by killing someone. I mean, that should be obvious. That's basic

00:15:54.340 common sense. But absolutely, your parents should teach you that. Your parents should be teaching

00:16:00.880 you about self-control. They should be teaching you about impulse control. They should be teaching

00:16:05.060 you about the law. They should be teaching you about the consequence of your actions. Um, I don't

00:16:10.520 know whether or not his parents taught him that if he was coddled, if he lacked discipline, I don't

00:16:16.000 know, but it didn't set in obviously. So despite the details revealing this to be very clearly

00:16:22.580 murder and not self-defense, Carmelo has a lot of supporters, both online and showing up in person

00:16:29.020 at the Collin County Courthouse. Last week, people started demonstrating in support of

00:16:33.240 Carmelo Anthony, chanting, I declare, I declare Carmelo Anthony is free. Name it and claim it.

00:16:39.840 Saw it too. Okay. So is this representative of every black person who lives in Frisco or lives

00:16:57.660 in America? Absolutely not. But unfortunately, this reaction isn't exclusive to like a dozen

00:17:04.860 of these demonstrators in front of the courthouse. This is a sentiment that we have now seen echoed

00:17:10.940 by many people, even prominent people across the country. There was one supporter who spoke to the

00:17:16.240 Dallas Morning News who said so many of us Black Americans have similar stories of us being bullied

00:17:21.400 or harassed by these people, these people, and we try to defend ourselves. It's an issue. Well,

00:17:27.500 yeah. Like if someone bullies you or says something mean to you and you quote unquote,

00:17:33.840 defend yourself by stabbing them in the heart, it's an issue. Yeah. It's a problem. Like it's

00:17:39.060 an issue with the law. And it's amazing to me how many people think that perceived disrespect as a

00:17:45.440 justification for murder. It's actually very, very disturbing. Um, even members of the new

00:17:51.160 black Panther party, the black nationalist hate group, that's just what they are arrived to 0.71

00:17:56.740 support Carmelo. You can see this picture right there. I mean, it's hard to see how this is not 0.81

00:18:01.940 jury intimidation, which is against the law. You're not supposed to have any effect or try to

00:18:08.620 have any effect on the jury whatsoever. I think those people should be arrested for that attempt.

00:18:13.420 You even see a protester in front of the Collin County courthouse taking a knee. 0.87

00:18:18.560 She's got her hand up, the black power hand. 0.78

00:18:21.460 And I just want to remind you, like, this is even different than George Floyd.

00:18:25.320 And things got so convoluted after George Floyd died.

00:18:29.620 And so many facts were not revealed at first that were then revealed later about the levels

00:18:34.320 of fentanyl in his body and Derek Chauvin and all of that.

00:18:38.240 But at least in that case, you had someone who died.

00:18:41.500 And the allegation and the thought was initially that he was killed by a police officer who was

00:18:47.800 acting in a cruel way. And you had people defending someone who they believed, many

00:18:54.300 believed sincerely, was a victim. And then believed also, even though we don't have any

00:18:59.400 evidence of this, that he was killed because of the color of his skin. At least you understand

00:19:04.820 the sympathy there. Like you could understand how someone would see George Floyd or see Michael

00:19:11.160 Brown or see these other people who were killed by a white person or by a police officer as

00:19:18.300 victims, even if they're wrong about some of the details and their impugning motives that we don't

00:19:24.080 know actually exist. Like you understand where the sympathy is coming from. We're not talking

00:19:29.180 about a black person who was killed. We're not talking about a black victim or a perceived

00:19:34.420 victim. We are talking about a black person who murdered a white person. And still we have people 0.99

00:19:40.240 showing up, raising their fist in black power in defense of Carmelo Anthony. That is not only

00:19:47.780 insane, it is so deeply demonic that you believe good is evil and evil is good. There's a clip

00:19:54.860 that was recorded right before the verdict was decided. Protesters say, say his name for Carmelo

00:20:00.380 as if he is the victim. Again, this is what you say for Breonna Taylor. If this is what you say

00:20:05.200 for Michael Brown or all of these people who actually died because of a police interaction.

00:20:12.180 Carmelo is the murderer, and here they are honoring him.

00:20:15.520 Top three.

00:20:15.900 okay what do we want justice when do we want it now the people who yell loudest most persistently

00:20:38.080 about justice have zero clue what it is justice to social and racial justice activists means

00:20:45.780 getting the outcome that they desire. Okay. Justice actually isn't primarily about the

00:20:50.960 outcome. Justice is primarily about the process, about the due process done in a way that is fair,

00:20:57.940 objective, blind, legal. Justice is not just getting the outcome that you want because of

00:21:04.540 the color of someone's skin. That's actually unjust. Partiality, showing preferential treatment 0.71

00:21:10.220 towards someone because they're rich, because they're poor, because they're black, because

00:21:13.340 they're white, because they're an immigrant, because they're native born. That is unjust. 0.93

00:21:19.140 Justice, by definition, has to be impartial and colorblind in order for it to be just.

00:21:25.660 And so they're using these words and mean the exact opposite of what the words mean.

00:21:31.760 But this word in these black activist groups, justice, has been thrown around and distorted

00:21:38.880 and manipulated so many times. And of course, justice is seen as universally positive. And so

00:21:44.540 if you just attach a universally positive word to your movement, you are going to be

00:21:49.320 manipulated and manipulate other people into thinking that your cause is good.

00:21:54.020 Both families have received hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations. The Metcalfs have raised

00:21:58.400 $586,714 through GoFundMe. That's of Tuesday, June 9th. And then the Anthony's raised $625,800

00:22:08.860 $185 through give, send, go. Almost 50K more than was raised for the murder. Okay. So Carmelo

00:22:18.100 Anthony has garnered a lot of sympathy. The one who murdered someone else. There are more reactions

00:22:25.140 to the guilty verdict. Dom Alexander, he says, this just shows that black lives don't matter 1.00

00:22:32.040 in Collin County, sub four. But what this process did is shown that black lives do not matter in 0.98

00:22:38.640 Collin County. It showed us that time and time in American history, it has shown us to remove 1.00

00:22:46.360 emotions from yet the law. This trial showed that it put emotions over the law. After Trayvon Martin

00:22:56.140 in so many countless names, it has shown us that black life is not safe in Collin County.

00:23:05.080 This is so maddeningly insane. Like these people should not be within 50 miles from making any 1.00

00:23:15.880 consequential decisions whatsoever, especially when it comes to the law and justice. The exact

00:23:21.040 opposite of what he said is true. We are talking about a black perpetrator killing a white guy. 0.99

00:23:27.100 I have no idea if it was racially motivated. Okay. So I'm not going to do the same thing 0.94

00:23:31.880 that the BLM activists do when a white person kills a black person and just assumes automatically 0.84

00:23:36.160 that it's because of race and discrimination. I have no idea if Carmelo Anthony hated white people 0.56

00:23:41.420 or if he killed Austin Metcalf because he was white. I have no clue, but I do know that he was 0.99

00:23:47.540 a black person who killed a white person, and suddenly we're talking about black lives not 0.97

00:23:51.240 being safe in Collin County. That is actually insane. And then we have Cardi B, y'all. Cardi B, 0.99

00:23:59.640 the rapper, she's speaking up about this verdict. She says, wow, just freaking wow. Disgusting.

00:24:07.340 This is not justice. This is trying to make an example. What are you even saying? Not that I 0.98

00:24:15.980 expected Cardi B to like understand what due process is or to have this solid moral compass,

00:24:23.980 but also like if Nicki Minaj can do it, I feel like you could too, Cardi B. Like,

00:24:29.920 I feel like if you just tried and you turned your thinking cap on for a second, you could see

00:24:34.540 that, yeah, murder is bad and you should go to jail for murder. He's not getting the death penalty.

00:24:40.780 He's not getting life in prison. He's going to get out when he's in his mid thirties. He could

00:24:45.360 get married. He could have kids. He could probably get a job. He might even, well, he might get out

00:24:50.500 in his mid thirties. He could get out later than that. It depends on the parole situation,

00:24:54.520 but he has more of a future than Austin Metcalf has. And yeah, we should make an example out of

00:25:00.340 murders. That's part of the reason for the justice system. It is preventative in that way. 1.00

00:25:07.060 It is saying, Hey, if you do this, you will also get this punishment. So don't do it.

00:25:11.680 like that's a good thing. We want people who are potential murderers to see the justice system

00:25:17.080 actually working and saying, I'm going to think twice before I kill someone because I'm mad that

00:25:21.640 they threatened to touch my backpack. It's not just rappers like Cardi B. It's not just these

00:25:27.800 random activists. It's also representatives. It's also Congress people. We've got Jasmine

00:25:32.500 Crockett. She represents Houston. She said that it's actually black women who live in fear and

00:25:38.760 that the Metcalfs have no clue what they're going through. Stop five. Black women, especially 1.00

00:25:45.520 black women who have black male children, live in fear and agony every single day. A fear and agony 1.00

00:25:58.260 that I promise you, the Metcalfs probably never spend a day living that way. 0.79

00:26:05.380 why why do they live in fear and agony why do moms of black boys black men live in fear and agony

00:26:15.960 has nothing to do with austin metcalf has nothing to do with the police has nothing to do with white 0.90

00:26:21.300 people if black mothers fear for their son's lives the fear should be toward other black men 0.99

00:26:29.200 because statistically black men are the ones killing black men every single day. Black boys 1.00

00:26:36.660 are killing black boys in the streets every single day. That has nothing to do with white 1.00

00:26:41.640 people. That has nothing to do with the police and how cruel and how calloused, how evil is this 0.94

00:26:47.560 for a Congress woman to say this in reaction to a verdict of a trial that has to do with a boy

00:26:57.460 being murdered. And her words of sympathy are not for the Metcast. It's actually to say, 0.99

00:27:02.720 you don't really know suffering. You've never been through anything as hard as black moms. 0.77

00:27:09.500 Look, black people are not systemically discriminated against in America. They're

00:27:14.380 just not. If anything, there is a system of preferential treatment towards those who are

00:27:19.240 perceived as marginalized in this country. I mean, especially when it comes to things like

00:27:23.960 affirmative action, certainly in progressive cities, when you have these progressive DAs that

00:27:28.920 absolutely show preferential treatment based on racial quotas. So this myth that is being

00:27:35.340 perpetuated, that is used as an excuse to be cruel against people because of the color of

00:27:40.060 their skin, cruel against Austin Metcalf and his family, I just think it's disgusting.

00:27:44.000 And I just have no tolerance for it. I just really, really don't. I haven't had tolerance 0.99

00:27:48.520 for it since 2020. But even more so now that we are talking about sympathy for someone who

00:27:55.180 murdered someone else, not the person who died. I just, I can't, I don't have any patience for it

00:28:01.540 anymore. No understanding whatsoever. And I think it's disgusting. All right. We're going to get

00:28:06.500 into more of this and we're going to look at the jury and what some of the witnesses said in just

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00:29:18.340 use code alley, good ranchers.com code alley. So last week, this is something that people are

00:29:28.640 talking about, and this is where some of the anger is coming from. Last week, the jury selection

00:29:34.140 became news, especially around racial lines because no black jurors were selected. One

00:29:41.140 black perspective juror said he would quote, have a hard time putting a brother in jail.

00:29:46.640 And he was dismissed as he should have been just as if a white person was like, nope, can't put a 0.58

00:29:52.800 fellow white in jail. Or a woman was like, I'm not going to put a woman in jail for doing it. No,

00:29:57.340 we can't do that. You have to be able to be objective. And this person said he wouldn't

00:30:02.120 be objective. And then there were other black perspective jurors. They were dismissed, but

00:30:06.340 not for racial reasons. And as far as we know, not because they said something like that one

00:30:11.360 prospective juror said prosecutors say that they determined that educators of school aged children

00:30:16.520 could not be impartial when judging this case. And then, um, the Anthony family spokesman. So

00:30:23.520 that's a Dominique Alexander. That's the guy earlier who said, uh, calling County isn't safe

00:30:29.000 for black lives. Crazy. Um, he said that because there were no black jurors, Carmelo was not 1.00

00:30:34.640 receiving a fair trial. Well, that's also just an admission that you don't believe justice should

00:30:38.960 be subjective, that you think that people should factor in their own skin color and the skin color

00:30:43.680 of the defendant when trying to decide the verdict. Not good. The prosecutors argued that

00:30:50.920 since this case itself was not race-based, a diverse jury pool wasn't required. And yes,

00:30:56.420 of course, that's true. This presumption that diversity is always strength. Diversity is

00:31:00.600 always wisdom. Diversity always ends and better outcomes is just not true. It's not supported by

00:31:05.460 any evidence whatsoever. I do think that there are some situations where having diverse perspectives,

00:31:11.160 nationality, maybe even the color of your skin, gender could actually be beneficial and could be

00:31:17.700 helpful, but that's not objectively true across the board. And I agree with the prosecutors in

00:31:21.820 this case. That's not something that's necessary at all. Some online outlets like the shade room

00:31:26.820 have reported that the jury is all white. This is not true. This is just a way to gin up outrage,

00:31:34.280 which why? Why do progressives love to do that? I mean, I think we know the answer,

00:31:39.340 but they love perpetuating these trigger words. They love putting out these narratives that they

00:31:45.880 think are going to cause riots and violence because riots are the voice of the unheard.

00:31:50.340 And they love the intimidation and the mob justice tactic because if they can't win in the courtroom,

00:31:55.720 room. If they can't win in Congress, they're going to win via intimidation. And then they'll

00:31:59.940 turn around and say conservatives are the one always vying for unfair power. Okay. It's all

00:32:04.660 a projection. It's all Alinsky tactics. Uh, daily mail reporter, Marianne Martinez gives the race

00:32:10.380 breakdown of the jury pool to debunk this all white jury rumor. Um, basically I don't have to

00:32:16.360 go down the entire list, but you can see it there. If you're watching on YouTube, two Asian women, 1.00

00:32:21.240 middle eastern woman wearing a head covering an indian woman and a hispanic or indian man okay

00:32:27.780 this is actually just very representative of the frisco area uh anyway like there are a lot of

00:32:33.940 hispanics there are a lot of middle eastern indian asian people and then a lot of white it's not

00:32:39.760 heavily a black area so it actually just is representative of the larger community and then

00:32:46.980 there were several witnesses who were called to the stand. And we heard a lot of very troubling

00:32:52.780 details from these witnesses. On Saturday, witnesses called by the prosecution revealed

00:32:58.780 that Carmelo provoked Austin before the stabbing. And by the way, since this case has become

00:33:03.700 racialized, my preference would be that it was never racialized whatsoever, that we never talked

00:33:08.520 about the color of their skin. But unfortunately, people made it that way. And so I have to point

00:33:14.160 out that the witnesses that were brought to the stand were both black and white. There were black

00:33:18.420 students and there were white students who testified in this way. They said that Carmelo

00:33:24.300 provoked Austin, that Carmelo kept his hands in his backpack. Then Austin shoved Carmelo's shoulders

00:33:30.280 and then Carmelo pulled out a knife and stabbed Austin. A 15 year old witness said that Carmelo

00:33:35.660 quote, tried to provoke us when asked to leave the tent. A 16 year old student athlete said that the

00:33:40.440 memorial team, Austin Metcalf's team, not Carmelo's, Carmelo's from Centennial, repeatedly

00:33:45.240 told Carmelo to leave after he sat inside their tent. But he allegedly refused and started cursing

00:33:51.640 at them and calling them names, saying, F y'all, F y'all, I'm not going to leave. Y'all are a bunch 0.99

00:33:57.060 of P words. Y'all not going to do anything. Touch me and see what happens. Now, the defense tried

00:34:03.320 to say that touch me and see what happens was like a mode of self-defense, like some kind of,

00:34:11.840 hey, if you do this, I'm going to interpret it as a threat to my life. Well, that obviously

00:34:16.440 wasn't persuasive to the jury. It's not persuasive at all. That's a threat. That is a provocation.

00:34:22.760 That's not saying, hey, like, I feel like my life is in danger. And by the way, even if so,

00:34:31.360 even if it was a warning that, hey, this is how I'm feeling. I've seen some activists saying he

00:34:37.800 said he said it doesn't matter if you say you're going to murder someone or you say that you don't

00:34:42.400 like what someone is doing. That doesn't justify your murdering of them. OK, Austin Metcalfe

00:34:48.860 allegedly replied, according to these witnesses, I'm not going to fight you. One of the witnesses,

00:34:53.940 and I thought that this was really touching, he said the reason it was Austin Metcalfe who was

00:34:59.200 kind of leading the charge and confronting Carmelo was because he was always the leader.

00:35:05.220 He was always the leader of the group. He was always taking one for the team. It makes me want

00:35:08.860 to cry, actually. Like he was always kind of laying himself down for his team. And by the way,

00:35:15.240 his team that was sitting there in the tent were filled with white and black kids. This wasn't 0.97

00:35:20.060 like some white on black situation. And now this is my perspective, my interpretation of what's

00:35:25.800 happening. Carmelo seemed to have gone in the tent to cause trouble and he was causing problems.

00:35:31.860 And I don't know why he was trying to provoke them. I don't know if he was bothered by something,

00:35:37.400 if he had been triggered by something. I don't know. But I bet that a lot of the people in the

00:35:43.340 tent were not comfortable with what was happening. OK, you've got this guy. He's angry. He's calling

00:35:48.620 people names. He's cussing. He seems more and more aggressive. You don't know what he's about

00:35:53.460 to do. And of course the thought is, okay, well, if I stand up, if we just say something about it,

00:35:59.620 I mean, Austin Metcalf, bigger than Carmelo Anthony, he probably said, okay, if I just

00:36:04.260 kind of stand up and say, dude, leave, we're not going to do this. I'm not going to fight you in

00:36:09.640 the tent that he's going to leave. Of course he had no reason to think that he was about to be

00:36:15.220 murdered on Monday. One of the defense witnesses said that he thought Anthony was in the wrong

00:36:20.140 and revoked the fight. One of the defense, defense witnesses said he thought Anthony was in the wrong

00:36:26.200 and provoked the fight. And so this just was not, not a good showing for the defense. When Dr.

00:36:31.560 Elizabeth Ventura took the witness stand, she showed autopsy photos of the stab wound

00:36:35.800 and Austin's heart. And then members of the jury audibly gasped. One woman put her hand over her

00:36:41.200 mouth. Carmelo looked away. Okay. So at least we see one moment of shame there or discomfort that

00:36:48.080 discomfort and that shame and Carmelo Anthony is good spiritually. Like we want him to be

00:36:53.220 confronted with the evil that was perpetrated by him. Um, during cross examination, one of

00:36:58.900 Carmelo's attorneys suggested Austin may have impaled himself on Carmelo's knife. Okay. So

00:37:06.180 that's how things were going for the defense. He focused on the wound depth and angle and asked

00:37:11.980 about several different scenarios in which Metcalf could have suffered a wound at the angle he did.

00:37:17.020 you know i'm not even criticizing the defense i think they had so little to work with honestly

00:37:22.280 when you have someone who said in police custody i'm not alleged i did it like you just you don't

00:37:28.240 have much to work with and remember the defense is not trying to prove innocence the defense is

00:37:34.160 trying to put enough doubt in the jury's mind that there is a possibility that carmelo is not guilty

00:37:39.940 The jury has to believe that Carmelo is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. And so the defense

00:37:46.920 is trying to put a reasonable doubt in the minds of the jury, not trying to prove innocent. That's

00:37:52.480 why verdicts are guilty and not guilty, not guilty and innocent. But it didn't work. Carmelo Anthony

00:37:59.320 chose not to take the stand, or I'm sure the lawyers advised, like, hey, you're clearly not

00:38:03.680 your own best advocate here. Carmelo Anthony, without a doubt, murdered Austin Metcalf. I think

00:38:10.540 we can say that confidently. I would have said that confidently weeks ago. I would have said

00:38:13.960 that confidently when it happened based on everything that we know. So why are so many

00:38:19.260 people rallying behind him? It reminds me a lot of the OJ Simpson case and the reaction to that.

00:38:25.280 We don't have time to get into all of that. We actually had a whole segment prepared and going

00:38:29.340 down memory lane and how many black activists and much of the black community at the time

00:38:33.860 were supporting him despite the fact that it was so apparent by all of the evidence presented that

00:38:41.400 he was clearly guilty um and the reaction to him being found not guilty in court the disparate

00:38:50.720 reactions between white americans and black americans we can at least put up this full

00:38:54.800 screen, full screen eight that just shows this is representative. We went through a ton of

00:38:59.420 interviews, um, at the time that showed the different reactions from black Americans and

00:39:04.480 white Americans. I mean, OJ Simpson clearly murdered his wife, murdered his ex-wife and

00:39:11.080 murdered her alleged lover. Even the stats at the time show that most of the black community 0.79

00:39:18.620 supported OJ Simpson despite all of this evidence where most white people did not. Most white people

00:39:25.340 were complaining that, you know, because he was famous and because he was rich, he was shown

00:39:30.740 partiality. And then you saw a lot of black power, black support because of melanin count. Again,

00:39:36.740 is this indicative of every single person in every single race? No, but it is a pattern that

00:39:42.560 we unfortunately see a lot, this idolatry of skin color, idolatry of melanin count, 0.76

00:39:48.440 refusal to take emotions and to take your lived experience and your skin color out of the equation

00:39:55.580 when it comes to justice. And as law schools become more progressive and they lean toward

00:40:02.200 this kind of like minority victim mentality, we are unfortunately going to see a movement

00:40:10.540 in the direction of injustice that is called justice. And that's why we need, I just want to

00:40:16.780 call on you. If you are a Christian, you need to become a lawyer probably. If God has equipped you 1.00

00:40:24.180 for that, if you're considering going to law school, I think you should go to law school. I

00:40:28.840 think you should take the bar exam. I think you should become an attorney. Now, of course, I'm not

00:40:33.540 the Holy Spirit in your life, and there could be so many other factors that are going on in your

00:40:39.240 own season right now. But, you know, I got asked the other day, my husband, he's really brilliant

00:40:44.760 and he does super well in law school. And, you know, he's considering becoming an attorney or

00:40:50.280 a pastor. What should he do? Well, again, I'm not any authority in your life and there could be so

00:40:55.480 many different, uh, factors going on there, but I say lawyer, I say lawyer, um, because I just

00:41:02.080 think that there is so much that Christians can and must do in the area of law. Like we serve the

00:41:08.560 God who created justice. Those who serve the God who created justice should be the ones carrying

00:41:13.160 out justice. And so please, godly people, join the Department of Justice. And if you are a

00:41:19.920 Christian lawyer already, make sure that you are in a position to advance justice in these really

00:41:25.560 important areas. All right. I just want to look at these racial victimization rates. I think it's

00:41:31.660 really important to just know what the truth is. We hear Jasmine Crockett. We see Cardi B.

00:41:36.620 we see these people assuming that white people are going around killing black people. That's 0.99

00:41:40.860 certainly something that we heard over and over again in 2020. It's not true. It's just not

00:41:45.940 remotely true. In 2025, the Department of Justice published a report on the rates of violent

00:41:50.480 victimization in 23 and 24, which included racial data for both victims and perpetrators of violent

00:41:56.020 crimes. That's something that racial justice activists, by the way, do not like. They don't

00:42:00.220 like that the DOJ includes that data. An analysis of the data showed that after adjusting for

00:42:05.080 population size, the per capita rate of black on white violent victimization was approximately

00:42:10.200 153 per 10,000 black people, while the white on black rate was only 3.4 per 10,000 white people.

00:42:19.100 So it is orders of magnitude more likely for a black person to kill a white person than a white 0.99

00:42:26.980 person to kill a black person. And mind you that black people only make up about 13% of the 0.99

00:42:31.840 population. Black men who are the vast majority who are perpetrating these crimes make up about 1.00

00:42:37.240 6% of the population. And yet they are accounting for about 50% of all homicides in this country. 1.00

00:42:43.540 And specifically 153 killings per 10,000 black people of black on white victimization. Yikes. 0.95

00:42:52.520 That means that black Americans were roughly 45 times more likely to commit a violent crime. Sorry, 0.99

00:42:57.720 not killing. I think I said killing 45 times more likely to commit a violent crime. That's

00:43:02.520 not always killing against a white American and the other way around. So the fear and agony that, 0.61

00:43:07.580 you know, Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett claims black people feel towards whites, it's just,

00:43:12.040 it's, it's misproportionate. Most murders are actually intraracial FBI homicide data show that

00:43:18.540 88.9% of murders of black people were committed by black offenders. And you know, it seems like 0.94

00:43:23.640 we have this conversation every few years and have for decades. And it seems exhausting and

00:43:30.160 it is exhausting, but we just got to, we have to keep saying it. And the truth has to, has to be

00:43:36.300 recognized. And, you know, people can say that's not empathetic. It's not kind to say, you don't

00:43:42.000 understand. You haven't had their lived experience. Look, the truth matters. Facts matter more than

00:43:47.960 feelings and about, and more than subjective experience. If you love someone, if you love

00:43:52.920 your child and they say there's a monster in my closet the loving thing to do is to turn on the

00:43:56.820 light and show them that there's not and the same is true here no matter how angry people get you

00:44:02.140 need to know like what to actually be scared of you need to know what is really going on that the 0.82

00:44:07.800 enemy isn't white people okay and until we realize that things are going to be very chaotic and very

00:44:14.720 divided for a very long time unfortunately the same is true when it comes to the uk and the story

00:44:20.080 of Henry Novak there. Now we recorded the next segment a few days ago. There's just been some

00:44:25.600 rearranging with our recording schedule. And so I didn't realize that Henry Novak's name was

00:44:31.520 pronounced Novak because it's Polish and the W is pronounced with a V. So I apologize for that

00:44:37.320 mispronunciation, but let's go across the pond and let's see a somewhat similar story of something

00:44:43.740 that happened to a British young man who was totally mistreated by the police, perhaps because

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00:45:49.840 ultrasound through preborn. Go to preborn.com slash Allie. This week, there was body cam

00:45:59.900 footage that was released of the UK police response to the stabbing of Henry Nowak. I think

00:46:05.280 I pronounced his name differently now. Nowak causing outrage and sparking protests. When

00:46:09.560 police arrived at the scene, instead of arresting the murderer, the guy who stabbed him, a Sikh man,

00:46:14.400 they handcuffed Henry Nowak, the victim, and he tragically died in custody. Y'all, I haven't even

00:46:21.100 been able to retweet this, talk about this on X or talk about it on the show or talk about it on

00:46:27.680 my Instagram because of how just tragic I find it. I haven't been able to watch the footage.

00:46:32.440 I don't want to see the pictures. I literally just saw a picture of Henry's hand as he was

00:46:37.880 in custody, which was white and blue because he so obviously was bleeding out. And that just

00:46:43.840 made me so sad. He went to the police for help after he was stabbed and they just said, no,

00:46:50.020 we don't think that you've been stabbed. So to back up a little bit, he was an 18 year old from

00:46:55.120 Essex. He was, um, apparently a hardworking student. He earned good grades. He was a student

00:47:01.580 at the university of Southampton, um, according to accounting and fine, a study and counting and

00:47:07.100 finance. And then on December 3rd of last year, he was walking home from a night out with his

00:47:11.300 football teammates, and he ran into this 23-year-old named Vikram Digwa, I assume from

00:47:16.800 India. An altercation ensued. We don't really know all of the details. Digwa was openly carrying a

00:47:22.740 large ceremonial Sikh knife with a blade over eight inches long. It's illegal to carry knives

00:47:28.860 in public in the UK with a few exceptions. It's also illegal to carry pepper spray, tasers,

00:47:34.400 stun guns for self-defense. Gosh, thank you to all of America's founders for the revolution.

00:47:42.760 Sikhism is a religion that originated in the Punjab region of India and Pakistan. Sikhs are

00:47:50.640 allowed to carry ceremonial knives in the UK for quote, religious reasons. So this is the knife 1.00

00:47:58.040 that the guy used. You can see how sharp it is. Yikes. So Sikhs wear these knives, ironically,

00:48:06.580 in this case, as a reminder of their commitment to the tenets of their faith, including justice,

00:48:10.680 charity, morality, humility, and equality. So from the outset, this crime was enabled by UK's

00:48:16.080 double standards. Any white person would have been arrested and faced a four-year prison sentence 0.61

00:48:21.040 for carrying such a weapon. Literally just any white person, any British person. If someone said,

00:48:26.140 you know what i am a catholic or i am church of england and you know according to this passage

00:48:32.860 i am supposed to wear this as a symbol of self-defense or i am supposed to wear this as a

00:48:39.400 symbol of the sword that is going to be coming out of jesus's mouth when he returns in the second

00:48:44.460 coming whatever you want to use as your theological basis for it it never would have flown like it

00:48:51.540 just wouldn't have passed. Noak's killer could brandish the weapon openly with no repercussions,

00:48:56.180 just based on the color of his skin, because no one's going to question you if you're from India

00:49:00.460 and you say that you have a religious reason for this. Digwa stabbed Noak multiple times in this

00:49:05.880 altercation, puncturing his lung. Digwa's brother, Gurpreet, called the police, so he was there

00:49:11.740 saying, we have just been attacked racially by some white person. No evidence of that. Here's

00:49:18.360 audio of that call. Stop five. I just parked on my car to come home and he attacked my brother.

00:49:24.640 You're talking about verbally or physically? No, no, he's physically attacked my brother.

00:49:28.560 We're Sikhs. We wear turban and he's just attacked my brother.

00:49:33.220 Have any weapons been involved? No, no, no. Okay. No weapons involved. Well, that is a lie

00:49:39.300 right there. So we already see when he called the police, that is a lie. This guy stabbed or his

00:49:45.560 brother stabbed Henry multiple times. Um, and so in the body cam footage that was just released,

00:49:52.400 you see Noack saying, I've been stabbed. I can't breathe. Call an ambulance to which the police

00:50:00.100 simply respond. I don't think you have mate. So he's not resisting arrest. They put him in

00:50:06.160 handcuffs. The arresting officer asks for Henry's name before reading him his rights. Noack is

00:50:10.240 unresponsive. And the female officer shines a light in his face and says, are we able to get

00:50:14.040 an ambulance. His pupils aren't even reacting. Gosh, that just breaks my heart. And then Noak

00:50:19.360 died at the scene and police officers who were involved in this arrest are making excuses and

00:50:24.800 saying, oh, we didn't know he was bleeding out, but literally the picture that I just told you

00:50:29.260 about of his hand, obviously completely lifeless. He had blood all over his face and all over his

00:50:35.100 body. You can, you can see that he is bleeding out. And again, it actually is irrelevant whether

00:50:42.780 or not there was some kind of altercation unless he was threatening this guy's life unless he was

00:50:49.460 also armed unless he was threatening to stab him kill him the seat guy or whatever even if there

00:50:55.940 was a like racial bullying incident going on which again we've got no evidence whatsoever

00:51:01.800 and since the brother already lied like i just don't really believe him there um that doesn't

00:51:08.660 justify this guy being murdered. This doesn't justify Henry being stabbed multiple times.

00:51:15.400 Mr. Nowak said his son had not died with dignity and should not have died on the streets of

00:51:19.480 Southampton in police custody. It's absolutely true. Even if you think that Henry Nowak did

00:51:24.800 something wrong in the first place, he should not have died. Like police should have helped him.

00:51:31.200 They should have tried to save his life, to stop the bleeding, take him to the hospital immediately,

00:51:37.440 and then maybe we would know the details. Maybe then we would have actually gotten justice. But

00:51:42.260 now we just have accusations from one side. We've got rumors and we have a dead young man

00:51:48.220 who won't live to graduate, who won't live to get married and have children, who won't have a future

00:51:53.460 because the police refuse to offer aid. Maybe because of the assumption that he really was

00:52:00.140 just some racist bigot bully that attacked this guy because he was Sikh. It's just not really 0.96

00:52:05.880 believable that one individual, he looks like a very small guy, by the way, um, that he would

00:52:11.460 decide, you know what? I think I'm going to attack two men. I'm outnumbered, but I think I'm going to 0.82

00:52:16.860 attack these two men and bully them and talk about their race and just risk my life. I'm sorry. It's 0.81

00:52:22.060 just not believable, especially in the West today. We see Henry now ex dad or no ex dad, um, talking

00:52:29.620 to the press about the police's double standard SOT 6.

00:52:34.240 Henry should not have died on the streets of Southampton in police custody.

00:52:39.100 The way he was treated was inhumane and degrading.

00:52:44.400 His murder, however, was afforded decency.

00:52:48.260 He was believed.

00:52:50.180 He was not handcuffed when arrested.

00:52:52.780 He was not handcuffed when transported to the police station.

00:52:56.120 as far as we understand he was never handcuffed at all and as Vikram Digwa himself told the court

00:53:04.920 whilst under arrest for Henry's murder police even took him to the kitchen so he could choose his

00:53:10.900 food the contrast is unbearable okay so if you're white and you're British and you're accused of

00:53:18.460 racism in the UK, you bleed out in police custody. But if you accuse someone of racism,

00:53:26.840 even though you were found armed with a bloody knife, you are not handcuffed. You are taken into

00:53:36.140 custody. You're taken to a kitchen. Ask what your food preference is for that night. And you are

00:53:41.180 treated like the victim. Okay. This is all because of this assumption that the wider you are, the

00:53:47.780 more guilty you are. And the browner you are, the less you are responsible for your own actions. 0.98

00:53:53.880 This is a sickness, okay, that actually prevents true justice. Now, Digua was already known to the 0.99

00:54:00.660 police. In 2023, he was arrested and released without charge after stealing a thousand pounds

00:54:05.240 worth of ceremonial Sikh knives. So not a great guy. Now, thankfully, Digua was jailed for life 0.63

00:54:14.100 with a minimum of 21 years and so that's like pretty intense for the uk and i'm actually kind

00:54:21.340 of surprised by that over a thousand protesters gathered outside southampton central police

00:54:26.480 station this week to hold a minute of silence for the teenager there were reportedly clashes

00:54:31.180 between police and demonstrators with one person being arrested and we can just go through all of

00:54:36.640 these pictures there was a ton of support for henry i mean people in the uk are just fed up

00:54:42.500 preferential treatment toward Muslims, toward immigrants, and partiality against native Brits.

00:54:50.520 That's a problem. That's a problem. We have a voiceover, I think, of the protest just to show

00:54:55.660 the amount of support that Henry Nowak got, because he really is kind of a symbol at this point

00:55:01.320 of the injustice that I think a lot of Brits feel, the racial injustice that is happening,

00:55:08.980 that the UK government really favors people from other countries over the people that were born and

00:55:17.360 raised there, over the people who have been there for generations. Justice is not blind there to

00:55:22.920 many people in the United States. Justice is not and should not be blind. But that, of course,

00:55:29.540 justice that is not blind, of course, is injustice. And again, the people who talk the

00:55:35.140 most about justice seem to have the least understanding of what justice actually is.

00:55:42.380 There was an English journalist by the name of Kathy Newman.

00:55:44.880 She accused members of the British right, like Nigel Farage, of stoking the division.

00:55:48.860 However, when pressed by Shadow Home Secretary Zia Yusuf, she was unable to say that white

00:55:55.760 lives matter as much as black lives. 1.00

00:55:57.500 Thought seven.

00:55:58.600 What Nigel Farage said today was that white lives matter as much as black lives.

00:56:02.860 Do you disagree with that statement?

00:56:05.140 You seem to be conducting an interview with me, but I'm trying to ask you the question. 0.61

00:56:09.140 I'm asking you, Nigel said that white lives matter as much as black lives.

00:56:13.160 And my question to you is, do you disagree with that statement?

00:56:15.740 And my question to you is about Nigel Farage's claims of anti-white prejudice.

00:56:20.980 I'm kind of stunned that you couldn't bring yourself to say that you agree with the statement

00:56:26.360 that white lives matter as much as black lives. 0.96

00:56:29.020 I can't understand why you can't just confirm you agree with that statement. 0.56

00:56:32.960 Zia, you're the senior member of a party.

00:56:35.660 You're a politician. 1.00

00:56:37.360 My job is to hold you to account.

00:56:39.480 So I'm asking you questions.

00:56:41.100 And I would love you to answer that question about racism against black and minority ethnic

00:56:45.240 people by the police. 0.95

00:56:47.880 I mean, that guy is ethnic.

00:56:49.620 He seems like he is from, I don't know, maybe India or something like that.

00:56:53.840 And this white lady can't even say that, yes, all lives matter the same, which is my stance,

00:56:59.360 by the way.

00:56:59.760 And that is simply what I want to see manifested in all manners of justice, whether it is law

00:57:06.180 enforcement, whether it is sentencing, um, in court, I want everyone to be able to receive

00:57:12.940 due process and for everyone to be judged in righteousness and truth based on facts and not

00:57:20.180 based on the color of their skin. All right, we'll get to more in just a second. Let me pause and

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00:58:21.480 all right now i know both of those stories were very tragic and very sad and let's pray for

00:58:32.280 justice to be done and this is why christians have to be involved in politics it's why we have

00:58:37.540 to be involved in the so-called culture wars a lot of people try to diminish um the importance

00:58:42.880 of christian involvement and what goes on in the world that i'm certainly not saying we should

00:58:46.420 idolize politics or that we should be glued to the news or to our social media timelines

00:58:50.640 all the time. Not at all. But Christians, because we know intimately the God who created justice,

00:58:57.160 we are going to be advocates of justice. God gets to define it. Justice is not just what feels good.

00:59:02.640 It's not just let's make up for past wrongs. It's not just, oh, well, let's give preferential

00:59:07.760 treatment to those that we consider marginalized. No, no, no. That's not the definition of justice.

00:59:12.680 Remember, justice, according to the God who created it, is truthful. It's proportional.

00:59:16.660 it is direct. It is impartial. Those are some of the characteristics that define God's justice,

00:59:22.580 as we've talked about so many times. I really encourage you, if this is kind of a new subject

00:59:26.680 and you're like, gosh, this is controversial because it has to do with race, go back and

00:59:30.280 listen to some relatable episodes from 2020 and 2021. We really tried as hard as we could to be

00:59:35.920 as compassionate, as nuanced, but as direct and truthful as we could when it comes to a lot of

00:59:41.180 these narratives surrounding race, surrounding immigration, surrounding policing and sentencing

00:59:45.360 and all of those things, but the truth actually matters. It is actually not loving simply to

00:59:50.540 empathize with someone who says, yeah, I believe that systemic racism is the cause of my problem.

00:59:55.100 So it's not actually loving, just like it's not loving to tell your six-year-old who comes into

00:59:58.700 your room at night that there's, yes, indeed a monster in her closet that she should be scared

01:00:02.540 of. The loving thing to do is to turn on the light and to say, I understand why you're scared

01:00:07.020 of this, but it's not actually true. And yeah, there's a lot of pushback that comes with that,

01:00:12.080 but I believe God cares about justice. And I think that he cares about truth. And I love people too

01:00:16.300 much to believe these lies that stoke all of this kind of fear and paranoia and hatred and injustice.

01:00:22.680 I'm just not going to let go of it. So I will be watching closely, um, the trial of Carmelo

01:00:27.860 Anthony, and I pray to God for true justice and not mob justice, not social media derived justice,

01:00:35.920 but true justice that is based on the facts of what is good and right and true. And you should

01:00:41.340 be no matter your skin color, be praying for that too, because a system like that benefits each and

01:00:46.800 every one of us, our children and our children's children. All right. I couldn't end this news 0.72

01:00:56.260 episode without talking about this big kerfuffle on X that had to do with what a Christian is.

01:01:02.840 What is a Christian? You know what? That could be the next documentary after what is a woman.

01:01:07.620 someone could do the, what is a Christian documentary? I just gave someone a great idea.

01:01:12.660 And there was a debate over whether or not Mormonism is Christianity. And the reason

01:01:18.320 this debate was sparked is because the U.S. Department of Defense or Department of War

01:01:23.440 has reduced its official list of recognized religious affiliation codes from 211 to 31.

01:01:29.420 So they've taken off things like Wiccan. And this is the first major revision since 2017

01:01:35.120 under the leadership of Pete Hedgeseth. And so you've got agnostic, Baha'i faith, Buddhism,

01:01:41.120 and then you have a bunch of different denominations and a bunch of different

01:01:45.500 forms of Christian. And so there's Christian dash assemblies of God, Christian dash Baptist,

01:01:50.340 it goes all the way down. And then there's also, uh, Catholic somewhere in here and then

01:01:56.960 Christian Seventh-day Adventist, Adventist, and then separately, no Christian dash church of

01:02:03.880 Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Hindu, Islam, Judaism, et cetera. Okay. So people were not

01:02:10.900 happy about this. For example, you've got Republican Senator from Utah, Mike Lee saying,

01:02:16.640 can anyone tell me why the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was left out of the list of

01:02:21.460 Christian churches? Mike Lee, the big constitutionalist, very thankful for Mike Lee

01:02:26.660 and so much of the work that he has done for the Republican party. I knew that he was LDS. I did

01:02:32.560 not know how passionate he was about this particular subject. And I don't have time to

01:02:38.260 go through all of the Mormon responses on X, but this was the sentiment. This was the echoed

01:02:47.320 message over and over again that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints should be

01:02:53.320 connected to Christianity because it is Christian. And then the argument that I see a lot is, well,

01:02:59.480 it has Jesus Christ in its name. It has church in its name. And you can make your arguments

01:03:05.040 theologically for why LDS should be included in Christianity. I had a debate with Jacob Hansen.

01:03:10.660 I've talked about this several times on my show, but that is not a good argument. The argument

01:03:17.460 that Jesus Christ is in the name and so therefore it's Christian isn't a good argument. People's

01:03:23.020 Republic of China, the Republic of North Korea, neither of those places are republics. And so

01:03:28.440 you can call yourself a lot of things that doesn't necessarily mean that you

01:03:32.760 are that thing. So anyway, much more interesting, robust conversation if we want to talk about the

01:03:38.420 theology. One of the responses to Mike Lee, this is also something that I said, is like,

01:03:43.760 look, it's not Trinitarian. We don't even worship the same God. All of these different Christian

01:03:48.460 denominations, including Roman Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestants, we all believe in the Trinitarian

01:03:55.220 in God. We all believe that Jesus is God. John one, not that he shares an essence with God,

01:04:01.720 not that he was elevated to God, not that he is spirit brothers with Satan, but that Jesus

01:04:06.360 actually is God, that he is father, son, Holy spirit. I had some people argue with me about

01:04:12.200 this saying, well, are you sure you're right? That's actually beside the point when we are

01:04:16.220 talking about this particular thing. You, we can argue about who is right and who is not.

01:04:21.120 I've done that in the past. Interesting conversation. The point is that we believe

01:04:25.720 that and you do not. And that is a distinctive of Christianity. And actually, like if you look 0.92

01:04:32.140 back at what Joseph Smith believed in some of the most prominent early teachers of Mormonism,

01:04:38.100 they all believed that the church was apostate and that every denomination and every sect of

01:04:43.860 Christianity, whether it was Roman Catholic or whether it was a Protestant denomination,

01:04:48.440 had gotten it wrong, and not just a little bit wrong so that another denomination was started,

01:04:53.920 but had gotten it fundamentally wrong, that the gospel itself was wrong, and that the church that

01:04:59.360 existed at the time of Joseph Smith was completely rebellious and was not in alignment with the

01:05:08.140 gospel or with God's will, which is why he started a new faith entirely. And this push for Mormonism 0.63

01:05:14.340 to no longer become Mormon and to be wedded with evangelicalism or wedded with Christianity at

01:05:20.420 large is extremely recent. And I just wish that members of the LDS faith would be honest about

01:05:28.180 that aspect. That it wasn't very long ago, I think 10 or 15 years ago, that there was a whole PR

01:05:33.920 campaign of people in Hollywood and people in these different walks of life saying,

01:05:39.360 I am Mormon. I am Mormon. That was the message to say, look, we exist out here. We're not just

01:05:46.680 some enclave that exists in Missouri or Idaho or Utah. We are your neighbors. We contribute to all

01:05:53.560 these different parts of society. When Romney was running for president, there was no conversation

01:06:01.420 about whether or not it is polite to say Mormon versus LDS. That is an extremely recent attempt

01:06:08.880 by those of the LDS faith to try to conflate Mormonism with Christianity. That is not a push

01:06:16.920 that has existed. In fact, it's a complete 180. It's a total about-face from the former belief

01:06:23.160 that they are completely distinct from the apostate churches in Christianity. However,

01:06:29.200 Michael Knowles makes a good point here that I did not think about at the time. I said something

01:06:35.180 about the Trinity being the distinction, he said, it does seem that the LDS are being unfairly

01:06:40.680 singled out. If the essential criterion for Christianity is Trinitarian theology,

01:06:45.280 why do the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Christian scientists, the Oneness Pentecostals, and even

01:06:50.080 Quakers in some instances get a pass here? Okay, that's fair. All of them should be excluded from 1.00

01:06:56.360 the Christian designation because Jehovah's Witness, also not Christian, that is a cultish 0.99

01:07:01.660 sect of offshoot that uses some form of Christian doctrine, manipulates it, turns it into something

01:07:08.720 else entirely, 144,000, all of that. Christian scientists, not even close to Christian. It

01:07:14.780 actually is weird that that was included there. Oneness, Pentecostal, same thing. Quakers,

01:07:20.420 most Quakers don't even really practice Christianity. And so I agree with that point, 1.00

01:07:27.460 but I don't think that that means that LDS does need to be included because LDS presents a

01:07:32.400 different gospel and a different God entirely. And you are totally free to believe that.

01:07:38.140 And we can acknowledge like LDS people are family centered. We share so many conservative values.

01:07:43.540 There are even some theological beliefs that we at least ostensibly share that they are good

01:07:48.440 neighbors, good workers, all of that. We can acknowledge that and obviously say that they're

01:07:52.340 neighbors that we are meant to love without being bullied into saying, oh yeah, you and I

01:07:57.640 essentially believe the same thing. You're not going to bully me into saying that because it's

01:08:00.980 not true. It's not true. And I, this whole like very, very aggressive push to conflate LDS with

01:08:08.860 Christianity. I actually find that to be extremely ungracious. Like you have to realize that we

01:08:14.820 evangelicals and Catholics are kind of taken off guard that for a long time, you guys were content

01:08:19.700 with being called Mormon and being distinct. And now you're trying to say, no, we're one of you.

01:08:24.240 And we're like, hang on. Have you changed what you believe? The answer is no. And so why should

01:08:28.020 we change what we say? It's just weird. It's weird. I've got a little more to say on this.

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01:09:48.560 Code Allie. And when I say that LDS teaches a different gospel, you can go back and listen

01:09:58.160 to my debate with Jacob Hanson. We talk about the Trinity some, but the most important distinction,

01:10:02.220 I think is that they believe that in order to have, to reach the highest level of heaven

01:10:09.980 in which God exists. And so to have full communion with him in his presence, you have to be baptized

01:10:17.440 into the Mormon church. Okay. That's adding on something to the gospel that is adding on

01:10:23.600 something to Jesus's sacrifice, his plan of redemption, not to mention that they believe

01:10:27.580 Jesus to be completely different in nature than we do. And so that is the big distinction there.

01:10:34.100 Again, you can argue with me, as I saw a lot of people do after that debate, that you think the

01:10:38.220 Mormon version of the gospel is better, that you think it's more merciful, that you think it's more

01:10:42.020 gracious than the heaven and hell dichotomy that is clearly presented in scripture. You can take

01:10:46.380 that up with scripture. You can take that up with God himself, who lays out his plan of salvation

01:10:50.940 clearly in the Bible, and that is contradicted by Mormon theology. But that's not really the

01:10:56.920 question. The question is, are they the same message essentially? And they're not the same

01:11:01.600 message. Now, Mike Lee later announced that he had spoken to the president and that the issue

01:11:06.320 had been resolved. He said, I just got off the phone with president Trump. We discussed the

01:11:11.020 Pentagon's Christian list. I won't speak for him, but I'm thrilled about where this is heading.

01:11:14.660 We're most fortunate that president Trump loves Latter-day Saints and is our commander in chief.

01:11:19.380 Stay tuned. Now I do not expect Trump to get in some kind of theological quibble over this

01:11:25.060 at all. And of course, Latter-day Saints are Republicans, Mormons are conservatives. And so

01:11:31.160 it behooves President Trump to satiate, to satiate the LDS community. Now, when it comes to Pete

01:11:40.100 Hedgeseth, like he is much more theologically driven and he is more ideologically inclined.

01:11:45.480 um and so i don't expect him to you know have taken this kind of conversation quite as lightly

01:11:56.460 or as gently as the president but the pentagon did update their religious affiliation codes by

01:12:01.740 removing the christian label altogether um and it so uh the list included quote redundant and

01:12:09.760 unnecessary labeling and the mistake has been fixed. So I do think it's interesting that the

01:12:16.640 Pentagon says that it was redundant and unnecessary, not that they actually made a mistake in what they

01:12:23.280 labeled as Christian and what they didn't label as Christian. And I think that's, I think that's 0.68

01:12:27.700 good. You know, if you're going to find a compromise, then I think that that's the

01:12:31.380 compromise. I'm glad that there wasn't any kind of formal apology there made because it is simply

01:12:37.140 true that Mormonism is outside of Christian orthodoxy. Again, just a reminder, Joseph Smith 0.98

01:12:45.240 said all Christian creeds were an abomination in his sight. And this is so important because 1.00

01:12:52.180 Joseph Smith claims that he was visited by an angel and given a new testimony that kind of

01:12:58.600 usurped the gospel that Christians believed and preached. Galatians 1, 8 through 9 says,

01:13:03.020 but even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we

01:13:08.360 preach to you, let him be accursed as we have said before. So now I say again, if anyone is

01:13:13.380 preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. The gospel

01:13:18.860 that Christians believe say that there is a heaven. There is a hell. There are not different 1.00

01:13:22.520 levels of heaven that you can achieve or that you can reach if you're a good person or you do the

01:13:28.720 right thing, or you're kind of close to Mormonism, or if you've been baptized in the Mormon church,

01:13:34.200 Jesus's sacrifice is fully sufficient by grace through faith. You have believed you have full

01:13:39.560 access to God through Christ and can access him in eternity in his presence forever and ever.

01:13:47.800 That is the gospel. It is contradicted by what Mormons believe. There are a lot of other things, 0.72

01:13:52.640 a lot of other contradictions. You have to follow the different Mormon precepts and principles in

01:13:58.700 order to be baptized into the Mormon church to reach that third level of heaven. And so that

01:14:03.740 includes not drinking hot coffee. For example, there are a lot of different things that are

01:14:08.640 added on to the membership and baptism requirements that is then required for the

01:14:14.400 fullness of salvation in the Mormon church. And that is an addition to the gospel that Jesus

01:14:19.800 Christ taught and that Christianity has taught for thousands of years. And so you can believe

01:14:24.620 that, but it is outside of Christian orthodoxy. All right, that's all we got time for today. Lots

01:14:30.380 of fun, controversial stuff, stuff to chew on and talk about with your friends and family.

01:14:34.840 All right, we will be back here on Friday with an incredible testimony that you don't want to miss.

01:14:54.620 Amen.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - June 10, 2026

Ep 1358 ｜ Cardi B’s Reaction to the Karmelo Verdict Radicalized Me

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