Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - June 15, 2026


Ep 1360 | ‘Yesteryear’ & the Hollywood Plot to Demonize Christian Women


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00:00:00.480 Is the bestseller, Yesteryear, a valid critique of trad wife influencer culture, or is it
00:00:06.480 a malicious attempt to completely discredit conservative Christianity?
00:00:10.720 We've got that, plus voicemails, at the end of today's episode.
00:00:23.740 Hey y'all, welcome to Relatable.
00:00:25.600 Happy Monday.
00:00:26.620 Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend and that you're having a great start to your week
00:00:31.220 Guess what?
00:00:32.600 Guess what?
00:00:34.020 God's eternal plan of redemption is going off without a hitch
00:00:36.620 Can you believe that?
00:00:37.960 I can believe it
00:00:38.800 Because instead of looking at the news or looking at social media to tell me what's up
00:00:43.300 I can look at the word of God
00:00:44.640 I can look to Jesus
00:00:46.100 Hebrews 13 8 says that
00:00:48.040 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever
00:00:51.860 Yes and amen
00:00:52.720 He does not change
00:00:53.720 His love for you does not wax or wane
00:00:55.820 God's approval of you does not wax or wane because it's not dependent upon your performance.
00:01:00.300 It's not dependent upon what you earn or how you're able to clean yourself up.
00:01:04.860 It doesn't work like that.
00:01:06.420 It is dependent upon Jesus, who is perfect forever and who shed his blood for you on
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00:01:11.980 And if by grace through faith you believe in him, you are justified and your slate has
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00:01:21.080 That is really good news.
00:01:22.060 no matter what else is going on in your life, like that is a good enough piece of news to
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00:01:32.340 like things are falling apart in the world, when things are getting worse and worse, things are
00:01:35.780 crazy in the media, things are crazy in politics, things are crazy in geopolitics, nothing surprises
00:01:41.880 God. Nothing takes him aback. Nothing throws him off. He is calling his sheep to himself and the
00:01:46.740 gates of hell will not prevail against the church. Yes and amen. And so I just wanted to start you 1.00
00:01:53.860 off as we do every single week, every single Monday with that good news and preach that to
00:02:01.140 yourself every single day, especially on the days when anxiety just threatens to consume you. God's
00:02:06.500 eternal plan of redemption is going off without a hitch. He sees you, he hears you, and he really
00:02:11.020 does care. That's good news. All things are working together for the good of those who love
00:02:15.420 him who are called according to his purpose. That is Romans 8, 28. All right, let's get into
00:02:20.340 today's subject, which is topical, but we tie in theology as we always do. On Mondays, we try to
00:02:26.240 talk about something that is going on, something that is trending. It could be an idea. It could
00:02:30.080 be a video or like today, it could be a book and then talk about, all right, what does God's word
00:02:36.280 actually say about this versus what the world is calling trendy, what the world is calling popular
00:02:41.620 and good and true. Let's stack it up against God's word and see how it holds up. Today we're
00:02:47.120 talking about yesteryear. This is the bestseller from Carol Claire Burke. This is the debut novel
00:02:54.480 of Burke. It was published in April of this year. It reached number one on the New York
00:02:59.400 Times bestseller list shortly after publication. New York Times best book of the year so far
00:03:05.300 appeared among the most popular books on Apple Books, topped the publisher's weekly hardcover
00:03:09.940 fiction bestseller list. Good morning, America book club pick for April, 2026. And not only that,
00:03:18.720 but it is also being made into a movie with Anne Hathaway. Here's the ad for that. It's not one.
00:03:29.560 My name was Natalie Heller Mills, and I was perfect at being alive. Sure.
00:03:39.940 Can't wait to see you at Yesteryear.
00:04:07.740 Okay, a little strange.
00:04:09.020 Now, y'all tell me if this is normal. I just find it odd that this book came out in April of this
00:04:15.500 year, but that video with Anne Hathaway, by the way, I said it was an ad. It wasn't really, I
00:04:19.600 guess, an ad for the movie, but just Anne Hathaway promoting the book and I guess teasing the fact
00:04:24.920 that she's going to be playing Natalie in the movie. That was published in December of last
00:04:29.500 year. I just don't know of many books that get that popular and that much traction before they're
00:04:36.200 actually published. So obviously this was very well orchestrated. That means that this book is
00:04:41.560 conveying a message that Hollywood wants us to hear. Hollywood wants us to believe that the
00:04:46.020 media wants us to believe. And that is why so much has been ginned up around this because it is
00:04:53.160 echoing a sentiment that is not only very popular already among a lot of liberal women, progressive
00:04:59.920 intelligentsia and Hollywood, but it is also trying to convince us of something. It is also
00:05:06.400 trying to scare us away from something. So let's look at what that something is and the message
00:05:11.820 that I believe it's trying to convey. And by the way, I listened to this book and I typically like
00:05:17.280 to read my fiction in, you know, it's paper form, but this time I needed to read it quickly because
00:05:23.520 I was writing an article about it. And so I listened to it and I will just tell you it is
00:05:28.360 gripping. The premise of the novel is extremely unique and I found it very listenable. So the
00:05:36.380 idea is that there's this influencer trad wife woman named Natalie. Okay. And so she is monetizing
00:05:44.720 her life. She lives in this homestead. She's made a lot of money as an entrepreneur. She's a doting
00:05:51.200 wife. Her husband is a part of this political dynasty, but also he's secretly cheating on her 0.98
00:05:57.780 and she is pretending to her Instagram followers to be a farmer, to be a stay-at-home mom,
00:06:04.160 but really she's outsourcing all of these responsibilities to other people,
00:06:07.680 but making money off of this fake persona. She's described as a Christian kind of loosely,
00:06:14.760 but it's obvious that she's supposed to be very religious in a Christian way,
00:06:19.500 but her inner monologue is characterized by spite and by bitterness, hatred of her husband,
00:06:25.320 resentment in her life, constant comparison and critique of other people, judgmentalism.
00:06:30.940 And so you see right away that we're supposed to see hypocrisy in this woman, which kind of 0.66
00:06:36.820 resonates with a lot of what many of us feel about influencer culture. We've seen some of
00:06:41.520 these people, Ruby Frank, there is a wellness influencer named Bella. I forget her last name. 1.00
00:06:47.040 It was revealed that Ruby Frank didn't really have this happy mom, got it all together life
00:06:53.740 that she was conveying on YouTube. She was abusing her children. This Bella wellness influencer said 1.00
00:07:00.140 that she had healed herself of brain cancer through nutrition. And it ended up that the
00:07:05.820 entire story was just a money-making scheme and it was fake. And so right away, this idea of an
00:07:11.760 influencer not being who she is portraying herself to be for money, like we understand it. It resonates
00:07:18.080 with us and you already from the beginning want this character to get her comeuppance, like put 0.99
00:07:24.000 your politics to the side, whether or not you like trad wife culture right away, this character is 0.62
00:07:30.020 very unlikable. And so when this character, and by the way, there are spoilers, there are spoilers
00:07:35.620 here. She's transported back to 1855 and basically forced to live the life that she is monetizing
00:07:44.580 without the amenities that make that kind of homesteading life luxurious, you're like, yes,
00:07:52.180 she is getting exactly what she deserves. But it is also extremely dark and extremely crass. So
00:08:00.680 she goes back to 1855. She doesn't have electricity. She's got a primitive existence.
00:08:08.500 She sees on the wall a calendar that says that they're in the 19th century. They're in 1855.
00:08:14.580 she doesn't have all of her children there. They all kind of look like versions of her children, 0.92
00:08:20.080 but they're not the same names as her children. They're not nice to her. And then you, uh, she
00:08:26.300 sees her husband, what looks like her husband, but he is really mean to her. He's abusive to her.
00:08:33.200 There are sexually graphic, uh, abuse scenes. It's just really disturbing and dark. And so
00:08:40.080 at least for me, you go from thinking, okay, this hypocritical woman needs to be exposed for the 0.98
00:08:45.340 fraud she is to seeing, wow, this is like a really harsh, intense punishment to me. Like you can see 0.98
00:08:52.280 Burke's intense hatred and resentment towards like the trad wife world and the trad life
00:08:58.760 influencer trend that this almost seems like a personal punitive narrative, like against women
00:09:05.480 who promote this kind of lifestyle with how extremely graphic and violent it gets against 0.80
00:09:11.540 this main character, Natalie. We'll get into the rest of this story. Again, there will be spoilers.
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00:10:32.540 happens like pretty early in the book. It kind of goes back and forth. And so we're seeing what
00:10:39.680 her life is like in 1855, having to go through just all of these horrible things. Like she gets
00:10:44.980 this horrible deep cut in her ankle and she has to get it sewn together at home without any kind
00:10:53.000 of pain medication. I mean, it's really just terrible and probably similar to how life actually
00:10:59.420 was in 1855. But then we also see her going to college, um, and what that was like and basically
00:11:06.820 how she became the influencer that she did. But here's the kicker. Okay. Here's the kicker is
00:11:14.220 that actually we find at the end of the book that Natalie wasn't actually transported back to the
00:11:20.020 past because you don't actually know how or why she's transported back. It's not like a time
00:11:25.260 machine novel. We're never told some witch came out of the forest and cast a spell on her and
00:11:31.600 she was back to the 19th century. It's just she wakes up one day and her house is the same but
00:11:37.800 different. And so then it's revealed that she never actually time traveled. After her social
00:11:45.900 media entrepreneurial empire fell in real life in the 2020s, she and Caleb isolated themselves
00:11:53.960 in a pioneer style existence. And her deteriorating mental state led her to construct this 1855
00:12:00.860 fantasy. And so her children, many of her children, because at the beginning she has lots of children,
00:12:06.580 and then when she's transported back to 1855, she only has four children. They had gone no
00:12:12.080 contact with her. They don't want to be with her anymore. And then her husband, Caleb, really did
00:12:17.680 become abusive toward her. And so then we see that years later, Natalie is serving a 30-year
00:12:25.140 prison sentence for child abuse when she returns to the ranch for an interview about her daughter's
00:12:30.780 memoir. Her daughter in this book ended up writing a memoir about how terrible her life is and how
00:12:35.840 terrible um her mother was so like it's a very sad and dark story there are some humorous points
00:12:43.400 in it certainly and there's some lightheartedness and again there's certainly some parts of it that
00:12:48.300 will resonate with you we all are familiar with the dangerous pitfall of influencer culture which
00:12:53.320 is deception you want to see that kind of uh reprisal toward bad actors towards villains and
00:13:00.560 you never really start to like Natalie and all of this. But again, you can see that, okay, there is
00:13:08.120 almost a malice behind this story and how it is written and the punishment that is doled out
00:13:16.440 that seems to me ideological. It seems to me personal. You can see this kind of sentiment
00:13:24.200 echoed, or at least the unlikability of the main character by Harper's Bazaar, a decidedly
00:13:30.620 unlikable protagonist. In my article, I called her an antagonistic protagonist. That's what she
00:13:35.880 is. The New Yorker criticized the characterization more broadly, arguing that Natalie comes across as
00:13:40.960 more of a caricature than a real person, making it harder for the novel to succeed fully. And
00:13:46.600 that is true. We'll get to more of that in a second. Natalie is relentlessly self-absorbed
00:13:50.920 unlikable, which made it tough to stay invested in her journey. And I've seen the author talk
00:13:57.180 about this. She wanted this person to become unlikable. I think she wanted her to become
00:14:02.260 a caricature because I believe to this author that Natalie represents conservative Christian
00:14:08.320 women. And she does not want the reader to have empathy for the different facets of conservative
00:14:14.560 Christian woman. She did not want to present Natalie as kind of struggling morally or ethically
00:14:21.260 with some of her choices. She didn't want to present her as someone who is actually virtuous
00:14:26.680 underneath, but is a victim of her own circumstances or ideology or anything. She wanted her to be so,
00:14:35.320 um, so hate inducing so that when you see that kind of person represented in real life, 0.96
00:14:44.100 you will also feel hatred toward her. That's my thought behind that. I do agree with a lot of
00:14:52.880 this criticism that a book is more successful and really does transport you out of this present
00:14:59.300 moment when the characters are tough, like when you don't know whether to like them or to hate
00:15:06.060 them. I think about Tony Soprano. This is, I think, the best example of this. Obviously,
00:15:11.980 he's a mobster. He's a terrible person. He's murdered people. He cheats on his wife. He's 1.00
00:15:18.360 abusive. He has all these terrible things. And yet you find yourself feeling badly for him. 0.61
00:15:24.640 You find yourself kind of trusting him. You find yourself thinking, I think that I would go into
00:15:29.440 business with Tony Soprano. That is the brilliance of the writers. I think of shows like that to show
00:15:36.680 you even, okay, more lighthearted, someone like Michael Scott. Michael Scott, you just want to
00:15:40.700 be angry with him all the time. He's so immature. He says the dumbest stuff, but then he has these 0.98
00:15:46.220 really redemptive moments where you're like, gosh, that was so insightful and so wise. 0.99
00:15:50.780 And then you're like, no, I think he should continue to be the manager of Dunder Mifflin.
00:15:55.500 And so it's that kind of complication, that nuance that reflects real life in so many ways
00:16:02.040 and makes, I think makes books like this more gripping. But the author didn't want to do that
00:16:09.400 because the author explicitly says, this is a critique of America. This is a critique of
00:16:15.640 America as a Christian nationalist nation, which means to me that not only is she criticizing
00:16:21.200 trad life, trad wife culture, which by the way, so have I, I have criticized the conflation
00:16:27.500 of trad wife with biblical wife or biblical woman, because they're not the same things.
00:16:33.100 A biblical woman can be lived out. Biblical womanhood, Proverbs 31 woman can be lived out 0.86
00:16:38.900 in Manhattan. It can be lived out in a studio apartment. It can be lived out as a single woman 1.00
00:16:45.220 who is serving her church and working hard where God has called her. It can be lived out on a
00:16:50.860 homestead in Oklahoma. It can be lived out in underground churches in China. Christianity and 0.65
00:16:57.580 Christian womanhood is not an aesthetic. It is a standard that is set forth in scripture. So
00:17:02.600 as long as we are living up to God's standards of what it means to be a godly woman, a godly wife,
00:17:08.080 a godly mom, it doesn't really matter how it looks on Instagram, whether you dress your kids
00:17:13.940 in polyester Paw Patrol shirts or in linen dresses and slacks. So that has been my critique is that
00:17:21.520 there's nothing wrong with tradition, nothing wrong with sourdough and homeschool and all of
00:17:24.340 those things, but it is not synonymous with Christianity. And I think that that's really
00:17:30.160 important for us to realize. The problem to me with yesteryear is actually that this author
00:17:36.640 makes the exact same mistake, is that she conflates Christianity and really all conservative 0.67
00:17:43.300 Christians with hypocritical trad life influencing. She basically says that those things are 0.81
00:17:52.000 interchangeable, and that to me is why I see such an ideological malicious bent here.
00:17:59.420 She said to the New York Times, I feel like I've spent the last decade watching people in power
00:18:03.620 try on and take off elements of religious strategy to see what works best. That sentence alone,
00:18:08.720 I think is true in a lot of ways, but she said, I became obsessed with the idea that fundamentalism
00:18:13.560 is pretty consistent for women across not just every thread of Christianity, but every religion.
00:18:18.340 There is so much more in common between fundamentalists than separating them. She
00:18:23.080 also goes on to say that this main character is a fundamentalist Christian. And this is really to 0.69
00:18:31.420 me where her source material shines through. She said that she got a lot of her inspiration
00:18:36.400 from Reddit. Now Reddit, I believe to be a cesspool of the worst of progressivism and
00:18:42.300 anti-Christian hostility. She said Reddit was an incredible resource. Ex-Mormon Reddit,
00:18:47.600 ex-evangelical Reddit, ex-Jehovah's Witness. These women who leave these communities are 0.94
00:18:53.520 more aware of gender than probably any other women I know. They're so aware of what that 1.00
00:18:59.900 performance is. Now I can't dispel or disprove every single testimony on Reddit. And I don't
00:19:07.040 want to, there are bad people who use religion certainly as a way to perform and then to mask
00:19:12.940 hypocrisy. All of that is true, but Reddit is not the place to go for these testimonies or for
00:19:19.900 an objective rendering of what these world views are like. Um, Carol or not Carol, whatever her
00:19:27.540 name is. Um, Carol Burke, she claims to have been raised Catholic, but it sounds like she was raised
00:19:32.760 mostly in a secular home. She said that her parents didn't quote push God on her. She also
00:19:38.600 expressed in the same New York times interview that she was surprised at how many of her readers,
00:19:45.120 um, asked if the main character is Catholic. And she was like, yeah, most people think she's
00:19:51.080 evangelical, but some people say she's Catholic. And I'm like, well, that is because I don't even
00:19:57.100 know if she realizes the confusing language that she had woven into this book. There is a part in
00:20:03.880 the beginning of the book, I believe if I'm remembering, because I listened to it where
00:20:08.200 she talks about confirmation, um, that she was confirmed in the church, but then she also uses
00:20:13.780 language. Like she was born again and baptized as a high schooler, Natalie, the main character.
00:20:18.640 And I'm like, well, those two things don't really go together. Confirmation is something that's
00:20:23.160 that happens in the Catholic church. Being born again and baptism by immersion when you're in
00:20:29.620 high school is something that happens in the evangelical church. I don't even think it's
00:20:32.920 something that happens in the Mormon church. So I don't know if that's just confusion on her part,
00:20:38.520 theological confusion. That is Reddit tier misrepresentation of theology though. So that
00:20:43.740 doesn't surprise me. The hostility towards not just hypocrisy of trad influencers, but all kinds
00:20:51.040 of conservative Christianity, which she lumps in as so-called fundamentalist, I think that is just
00:20:57.620 the spirit that you see throughout this book. On Reddit, everyone who is outside of progressivism
00:21:07.060 is called a fundamentalist. There really are fundamentalist Baptists or fundamentalist
00:21:13.620 denominations. And you can see that the women aren't allowed to wear pants. They're not allowed 1.00
00:21:18.780 to cut their hair. Very, very strict rules on all kinds of behavior and dress, but especially for
00:21:25.480 women. And you really just break down and minimize what that word really means when you call people
00:21:33.440 like me, which Reddit does, or anyone outside of progressivism who is a Christian, a fundamentalist.
00:21:42.420 When you conflate those two things, what you're saying is that anyone who doesn't agree with you,
00:21:47.820 who doesn't affirm lgbtq who doesn't believe abortion through all nine months it's great
00:21:51.940 they're all fundamentalists and you know c.s lewis in the screw tape letters he talks about
00:21:56.980 this and he talks about um you know screw tape the demonic perspective is talking to his nephew
00:22:03.320 and he says you know i'm paraphrasing but putting a stigma with the word puritan has won thousands
00:22:12.740 of souls to hell. And he is saying that what the demons want to do is to conflate self-righteous
00:22:21.800 legalism with actual Christian virtue. If you call actual Christian virtues like chastity,
00:22:28.520 for example, or like generosity, oh, that's Puritan or oh, that's fundamentalist that sure,
00:22:35.320 I can believe some things about Christianity, but that, that kind of stuff is just too far.
00:22:40.680 then you can scare people away from Christian virtue altogether. And that is certainly what 0.91
00:22:46.880 has happened with fundamentalism. So it doesn't surprise me that Carol Burke has these feelings
00:22:54.080 when she is consulting Reddit in her descriptions of what a Christian conservative woman is.
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00:24:25.380 is a critique of America. It's a critique of America as a Christian nationalist nation. This
00:24:33.560 is a Christian nationalist country right now. That's what she told the New York Times. Well,
00:24:37.740 like fundamentalist Christian nationalist is used to describe any Christian who is conservative,
00:24:44.300 any Christian who's not on board with LGBTQ, any Christian who believes like every other person
00:24:48.680 of every belief system does, by the way, that we should be able to live out the fullness of our
00:24:53.320 worldview and that it shouldn't be isolated to our homes, that we should be able to vote according
00:24:58.040 to our belief system. We should be able to speak according to our belief system. We should be able
00:25:01.860 to conduct our business in accordance with our belief system. Christian nationalists to these
00:25:06.540 people, it doesn't, they don't, it doesn't really have any meaning. And if you read this book about
00:25:11.640 Natalie, like there is nothing even remotely that is quote unquote Christian nationalist about her.
00:25:17.760 And this author actually says that, you know, Natalie doesn't even have like enough knowledge
00:25:25.060 of her own theology or enough wisdom about what she actually believes to understand her
00:25:31.140 doctrines or to understand her real belief system.
00:25:34.980 And yet she's a fundamentalist Christian nationalist.
00:25:38.620 This is just a combination of all these different feelings of hostility that people have towards
00:25:45.100 conservative Christians.
00:25:45.860 it's the same thing that happens with The Handmaid's Tale. You know, outside of every
00:25:49.780 conservative conference, you get a bunch of women who they have too much time on their hands. They 1.00
00:25:55.980 need a hobby. They need a job. They need something. I mean, preferably like a family to
00:26:02.780 take care of. And yet they are spending all of their free time donning these red robes. But if
00:26:08.740 you read The Handmaid's Tale, it's real parallel is the surrogacy industry, which really does pay
00:26:14.440 women to subject their bodies to be incubators for men that they're not related to and that 0.51
00:26:22.480 they don't love. And so it has nothing to do with conservatism or Christianity at all in the same 0.98
00:26:29.120 way that yesteryear and the critique of trad wife influencer culture has nothing to do with
00:26:34.560 Christianity and really has nothing to do with conservatism and doesn't have any real reflection
00:26:39.680 in conservative Christianity. She also says Yastriguer just shows the dangers of traditionalism
00:26:45.520 in general. I find it absurd. I find the conversations that we're having right now
00:26:50.720 to be patently absurd. I mean, we're trying to roll back no-fault divorce laws in order to get
00:26:57.160 women to have more babies. It's so obviously gruesome. And I think that the fact that we 0.99
00:27:02.840 are still having calm arguments about this on news channels is absurd to me. It's silly. It's 0.95
00:27:09.280 ridiculous. And so, so much of yesteryear was just trying to lean into the absurdity and the 0.91
00:27:15.180 hyperbole of it all, of being like, it's all ridiculous. And every character in this book
00:27:20.920 and all of their beliefs are up to the volume level of 11. But that's also what this conversation
00:27:27.020 feels like to me in modern day. It feels unbelievably satirical to me that we are
00:27:32.900 talking sincerely. We are watching politicians sincerely talk about the need to have 16-year 0.70
00:27:38.820 olds give birth more. I haven't seen a single politician sincerely say we need more teen moms.
00:27:47.060 Please show me the politician who has that as their platform. I mean, you go from no fault 1.00
00:27:52.240 divorce to like the glorification of teen moms. I haven't seen that. I really like I don't want
00:27:58.820 more 16 year olds having babies. I definitely don't want anyone having babies and having sex 1.00
00:28:04.280 outside of wedlock. At the same time, all babies are made in the image of God, and I want them to 0.97
00:28:09.860 be born, and I want them to be cared for. That's not radical. The conversation about no-fault
00:28:14.340 divorce is actually a very good one for a very long time. We did not have no-fault divorce.
00:28:19.860 No-fault divorce made it really easy for people to get a divorce based on irreconcilable differences,
00:28:25.880 vague reasons. Well, that's not good for families. It's not good for children. Children are the 0.64
00:28:30.280 victims of divorce. There are biblical grounds for divorce, by the way. I'm not saying that there
00:28:34.600 aren't, but irreconcilable differences is not one of them. And the willy-nilly way that we go about
00:28:42.360 divorce in this country is not good. And the law shouldn't make it as easy as possible for people
00:28:47.140 to get a divorce just because they've grown out of love or they have decided that they like,
00:28:52.900 that's not good. We want to make it as easy as possible for people to stay together.
00:28:58.680 People aren't debating no-fault divorce so we can have more teen moms.
00:29:03.540 And so she's talking about, oh, we have such a hyperbolic conversation.
00:29:07.780 You are hyperbolizing the conversation.
00:29:10.680 You are the one doing the hyperbole.
00:29:13.080 I don't see anyone actually representing what you're talking about. 0.99
00:29:16.760 Now, just to show you what kind of person she is, she also mocks Erica Kirk. 0.98
00:29:23.680 OK, so she mocked Erica Kirk for saying that we need to be watchful for kids being radicalized 0.61
00:29:28.860 by online content after Charlie was murdered. That's 100 percent true. I guess that Burke
00:29:34.280 thinks that's funny. Here's that clip. It's so housewife code. It's so Erica Kirk from her
00:29:39.580 five million dollar mansion coded. But like also, can I can I can I blame her when that's exactly 0.99
00:29:44.780 the type of perspective I would expect from her? Hard to say. Yeah, I can blame her. I'll blame
00:29:49.080 You don't have to. I will. Okay. Onward. Do you want your kid to be a thought leader
00:29:53.680 or an assassin? That's where we're at. No in between.
00:30:01.660 So, you know, I see this so much with progressive women is that they'll point to someone like Erica 0.99
00:30:07.300 Kirk or someone else and say, oh, those people are so mean. They're so awful. We need to have 1.00
00:30:12.640 more empathy, but then they'll be cruel. I mean, they're the meanest girls on the block. 1.00
00:30:17.020 they're the girls that sit around with their friends and talk about everyone else and how 1.00
00:30:21.480 weird they are and how just silly they are and how dumb they are. I mean, that's exactly what 1.00
00:30:26.960 she's doing. This is toxic femininity right there, but it's all justified. This is also 1.00
00:30:31.880 the problem with empathy being your guidepost and empathy actually being the gauge of your morality.
00:30:38.020 I see this kind of thing a lot. The people that preach the most about empathy have the least
00:30:41.920 amount of empathy for the people that they disagree with because the people they disagree
00:30:45.940 with are not just people they disagree with in the progressive mind. They're enemies. They're
00:30:49.880 the oppressors. And you shouldn't have empathy for the oppressors in their mind. You shouldn't
00:30:55.280 have empathy for the people that are, you know, pressing down the minority or the woman or
00:31:00.700 whatever. She certainly didn't want us to have empathy for Natalie. And in her mind, I think
00:31:05.300 Erica Kirk and Natalie are basically the same. That's why virtue and objective goodness. And
00:31:12.300 of course, as a Christian, biblical standards have to be your guidepost. Empathy when in
00:31:16.560 submission to biblical standards can be great, but when it's the only thing guiding you,
00:31:21.040 you are going to make your moral decisions and your decisions about kindness based on how you're
00:31:25.800 able to relate to someone or whether you're not able to relate to someone. I saw someone,
00:31:30.700 for example, say the other day that we don't need to have empathy for babies inside the womb because
00:31:35.960 they don't have experiences like we have experiences. First of all, you're misunderstanding
00:31:41.320 the whole exercise. We have experienced what they've experienced. Every single one of us is
00:31:47.680 grownups. I'm kind of going off the trail now, but as grownups have experienced what a baby inside
00:31:52.020 the womb has experienced. But because you can't remember that, that is why you're saying we
00:31:56.620 shouldn't have empathy or give rights to babies inside the womb. That is the danger of empathy
00:32:00.680 being your guidepost. I guarantee you this author prides herself on being a very empathetic person.
00:32:06.300 and here she is mocking someone like erica kirk because erica kirk is on the wrong side 0.77
00:32:11.360 um she told the new york times that all women were sold a false bill of goods both liberal and 0.99
00:32:16.000 conservative she said we're all sold a bill of false goods and that's true for conservative
00:32:20.520 women and it's true for liberal women the point of the book is that uh is not that one wins in
00:32:26.040 natalie's mind it's like the alternative doesn't look good she doesn't want to work in an office
00:32:30.220 and be miserable and poor and so to pretend that it's like why didn't you leave your husband to 1.00
00:32:34.540 get a job at a marketing firm in downtown Manhattan and be broke and have a kid. It's like,
00:32:37.780 that sounds awful. Um, in some ways. Okay. I kind of appreciate her attempt at nuance there. I do
00:32:44.580 think that it's not like she makes the progressive characters in the book seem amazing. Um, and so I
00:32:50.880 will kind of give her some points for that. Um, a really big critique that people have something
00:32:56.580 that people are pointing out is that Natalie was actually inspired by a real life person that
00:33:03.180 Natalie was inspired by someone named Hannah Nealman of Ballerina Farm. I mean, it is really,
00:33:10.940 really close. If you know who Ballerina Farm is, she is she's I won't call her a trad wife because
00:33:18.320 she's actually said before that she's not like she doesn't don that moniker. She has said that
00:33:24.420 she's a business owner, that she's an entrepreneur, that she's a beauty pageant queen and that she
00:33:31.200 doesn't take on that, um, that trad wife trend or take on that trad wife name. And I appreciate that.
00:33:37.760 I actually don't follow, um, ballerina farm myself. I just, you know, it's not the kind of
00:33:44.180 content that I follow. However, I, if I were her, I might be looking at my legal options
00:33:51.640 when it comes to yesteryear, because the comparisons are so close, the same thing with
00:33:56.820 eight or nine kids um her husband um comes from money i think jet blue money i think his dad
00:34:05.460 might have is ceo or owner of jet blue or something um and that's the same with natalie
00:34:10.980 in the book i mean that entire aesthetic that is described in the book is very similar to
00:34:18.260 neilman's homestead i believe that she is in montana if i remember correctly she also has
00:34:25.160 a thriving business. She's also setting up a tripod to, you know, make her, make her stuff
00:34:31.780 and her kids are in her videos. And obviously she's monetizing all of this. And I don't know 1.00
00:34:37.580 her, you know, I don't know what her life is really like. We can go through some of these,
00:34:41.000 um, covers. She's also a ballerina. She's very beautiful. And she does make this life 0.99
00:34:47.960 just, it looks glamorous and it looks fun. And she makes things look easy. I don't know anything
00:34:54.320 about what things are like for her personally, but I have no reason to think that yesteryear
00:35:01.680 is a reflection of who she is or what her family is like at all. I mean, social media is not real
00:35:08.560 life. So I don't know who she is. She seems really sweet though. Like she seems to just love to cook
00:35:15.200 and love to home make and to love to make things from scratch and to love to farm. She seems to
00:35:20.300 love to have babies. Like that's something that comes easily for her. She's got a lot of cute
00:35:25.080 kids. And so to so obviously use her as a caricature, like a really demonic caricature,
00:35:32.920 I just think is evil and wrong. Now, like it, this is not someone that I just personally feel
00:35:38.760 the need to advocate for, because I don't know that we have a whole lot of commonalities. She's
00:35:44.520 LDS. I'm not a, I'm not a homesteader. I just think it's wrong to assume the very worst of 0.94
00:35:50.420 her and people like her. Even if I don't want to conflate the trad life with biblical Christianity, 1.00
00:35:57.120 I can also say with someone like ballerina farm and girl, you are successful and you make it look
00:36:03.280 easy and your family is beautiful and you're successful. And that's great. Like, I just don't
00:36:09.140 feel the need for her to be a target of my ire. And I think it's really unfortunate and wrong.
00:36:16.800 Again, mega mean girl, mega mean girl vibes for you to take like the beautiful, popular ballerina
00:36:24.800 and for you to so obviously twist what you think her life is to make a bunch of money,
00:36:33.920 of fostering grievance towards conservative women all right we've got more on this in just a second
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00:37:56.840 that all fundamentalists have almost everything in common, that a fundamentalist Muslim is very,
00:38:05.560 very similar to a quote unquote fundamentalist Christian. Now, fundamentalist Christian,
00:38:09.760 remember, she's talking about you and me. She's talking about people who take the Bible seriously
00:38:13.880 about sexuality and marriage and children and abortion and all of those things. And so now,
00:38:19.380 a fundamentalist Muslim would be someone who joins ISIS and would be someone who is part of 0.91
00:38:26.520 Hamas committing terror and fundamentalist Christian would be people who just read the 0.99
00:38:32.820 Bible and say, yeah, I think this is true and I should apply it to my life and killing babies is 0.99
00:38:36.940 bad. But she says, and this is very popular, I've heard this sentiment a lot, that fundamentalist 0.94
00:38:41.660 Muslims, fundamentalist Christians, fundamentalists in all religion have much more in common
00:38:45.740 than they do with anyone else who also claims to share their faith. Let me read you the disparate
00:38:53.020 ideas that Christianity and Islam has, um, about women and marriage. So Ephesians five,
00:39:00.460 25 through 30 husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,
00:39:05.800 that he might sanctify her having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word
00:39:09.920 so that he might present the church to himself in splendor without spot or wrinkle or any such
00:39:15.180 thing that she might be holy and without blemish in the same way. Husbands should love their wives
00:39:19.900 as their own bodies. He who loves his wife, loves himself for no one ever hated his own flesh,
00:39:24.560 but nourishes and cherishes it just as Christ has the church, because we are members of his body.
00:39:30.800 Wow. So much there. The gospel is reflected the marriage between Christ and his church,
00:39:37.380 which is true in eternity is represented in earthly marriage only between one man and one
00:39:41.880 woman. And husbands are to love their wives so much that they are willing to lay themselves down
00:39:47.100 for her. That is a high calling that women aren't called to that. Women aren't called to the exact 0.99
00:39:52.140 same love and sacrifice for our husbands that our husbands are called to for us. In another part of
00:39:58.760 this passage, wives are to submit to our husbands as to the Lord. The much harder job in this
00:40:04.560 passage, it definitely falls on the husbands. We're to submit to our husbands as we submit to 0.62
00:40:08.980 the Lord, and then husbands are to be willing to die for their wives. That's really big. And also
00:40:15.920 to present them to God without blemish. And so also to help her be sanctified in Christ,
00:40:22.640 huge, huge responsibility. The radical thing there was not what modern feminists think that 1.00
00:40:28.080 wives are to submit to their husbands. The radical thing at the time would have been that husbands 1.00
00:40:32.420 are to be sacrificially loving their wives, that they are to be this kind of like self-denying 0.97
00:40:39.460 and the self-denying role in marriage that would have been completely radical in a time when women
00:40:44.060 weren't even seen as full people. Now contrast that with Islam, men have authority over women
00:40:49.500 and are told if they feel a woman is rebellious, they should banish them to another bed and then 0.98
00:40:55.600 beat them. And I just want to highlight men have authority over women, not just husbands have
00:41:00.860 authority over their wives. That is a key distinction. And then also how these women
00:41:05.620 are treated in the Quran 434 men are in charge of women because Allah have made the one of them
00:41:11.500 to excel the other and because they spend of their property for the support of women. So good
00:41:15.920 women are the obedient guardian and secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom 0.60
00:41:20.620 ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart and scourge them. Men are also
00:41:26.880 allowed to marry multiple women. That is not allowed in Christianity. We just read that in
00:41:31.520 Ephesians 5, Quran 4, 3. And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls,
00:41:38.240 then marry those that please you of other women two or three or four also men are allowed sexual 0.88
00:41:46.060 relations with female captives and slaves their great prophet muhammad he married a six-year-old
00:41:52.560 allegedly consummated that when she was nine years old and contrasting that to christianity 0.58
00:41:59.680 we see that the first people who were created on earth were one man and one woman not one boy and
00:42:06.060 one girl, one man and one woman. And we're told to be fruitful and multiply, which is only possible
00:42:11.760 post-puberty. So from the beginning to the end, we see that it is one man and one woman. That is 0.55
00:42:19.060 the only holy definition of marriage in Christianity. It is inherently anti-child sexual 0.97
00:42:25.880 abuse. It is inherently anti-pedophilia. That cannot be said for many other religions and
00:42:32.500 ideologies out there, not to say that people haven't done evil things who profess to be
00:42:36.540 Christians, but Christianity as it is biblically practiced is anti that kind of exploitation,
00:42:42.680 fundamentalist or not. So she's just incorrect. Again, Reddit tier understanding of theology,
00:42:50.700 but so popular in the progressive world. I would love to have this person on and we could have more
00:42:55.260 detailed conversation about what Christian theology actually is. Now, are any of these
00:43:03.460 critiques valid in her book? I think we've already probably gone over that. I think that
00:43:09.300 influencer culture is ripe for valid critique. I think that there is, as I've already explained,
00:43:16.520 an issue with conflating Christianity with being a quote unquote trad wife. But I actually think 0.77
00:43:23.200 that Burke makes that same mistake in her own kind of malicious way. Is it a good is it a good
00:43:31.160 book? It depends on what you mean by good. Is it entertaining? Yeah, it's entertaining,
00:43:35.780 but it gets harder and harder as the book goes on to separate the clear malice in the book from the
00:43:42.740 entertainment. Julia Yost at Compact Magazine wrote this. Now, I didn't notice this when I was
00:43:48.660 listening to it, but it's kind of funny to read. So Julia Yoss at Compact Magazine says,
00:43:54.660 Bert can't write, at least not in English. When Natalie rejects minimalism, she defines it as
00:43:59.420 a house absent of stuff. She worries that her hopeful visions sniffed of greed. She lies in
00:44:06.920 bed, shoring up energy. During that rapey sex scene, the whites of her eyes travel around the 1.00
00:44:13.500 room okay that one reading that part made me laugh because what does that even mean you're
00:44:19.260 the whites of your eyes travel in the room okay elsewhere nannies described as quote looking up
00:44:24.340 at us with a cool unblinking stare like a cat blinking lazily out from their sunlit perch
00:44:29.820 unblinking like a cat blinking so they're always going to be critiques of how fiction writers
00:44:36.340 right? Again, listening to it, I thought it was very, very listenable. In conclusion,
00:44:44.760 when it comes to social media and performance, one thing I will say and that we've talked about
00:44:52.540 a lot is that what you project on social media should be who you are in real life. And obviously
00:44:59.060 you should never be lying, period. Certainly you shouldn't be lying for followers or lying for
00:45:04.200 profit, that part is actually true. Is this representation or this critique of deception
00:45:10.860 and influencer culture indicative of all quote unquote trad influencers? I don't know. But are
00:45:17.380 trad influencers synonymous with conservative Christians who love being moms and make their
00:45:23.520 own sourdough? Absolutely not. I don't think that Burke understands the nuances and the reality of
00:45:31.040 Christianity. And that to me is why this book wasn't as effective as she thinks it is. I know
00:45:38.000 she said that it's supposed to be hyperbole, but it is only hyperbole because her beliefs about
00:45:45.420 what conservatives believe, what Republicans believe, what Christians believe are also hyperbole
00:45:49.900 and incorrect. If she had a real understanding of the theology and the belief systems and the
00:45:55.740 culture that is at work within evangelicals, even within LDS or within, you know, traditional
00:46:02.480 Catholics, then I think she actually would have been able to write a better, more resonant and
00:46:08.740 more relatable book. But, you know, this is catnip for people who love The Handmaid's Tale. Like, 0.72
00:46:13.680 this is catnip for progressives. It confirms all of their assumptions that everyone who takes the
00:46:19.100 Bible seriously is basically, or, you know, the same as a radical Muslim and that we're trying
00:46:26.480 to take the country back and that we're trying to bring everyone into our backward ideology. 0.98
00:46:32.280 So if you believe that, then you are going to love this book because it confirms your faulty
00:46:38.600 assumptions. Um, but if you are not someone who wants to be kind of like sucked into the darkness
00:46:44.860 of this caricature, then I just, I wouldn't recommend it. It's not entertaining enough
00:46:50.940 to put that to the side. Um, all right, let us, you know what, we're going to go ahead and answer
00:46:57.080 some voicemails. We were going to talk about this whole trend on Etsy and witchcraft and things like
00:47:02.680 that. We've talked about that some we'll table that because I do think it's interesting. There
00:47:06.780 are some developments there and we'll talk about that soon, but let's go ahead and move on to
00:47:10.940 voicemails and I'll answer some of the questions that you guys have. Let me go ahead and pause.
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00:48:16.000 All right, let's play voicemail one.
00:48:20.300 Hi, so my husband is about to be deployed for the first time with two little boys.
00:48:28.680 we have two little boys um three and ten months and he's gonna be gone for 11 months and i'm just
00:48:35.640 looking for some encouragement for me um how to encourage him and how to
00:48:43.800 keep myself grounded um while i'm running around with two little boys but i want to grow and i want
00:48:50.680 to still be a good mom and it just feels really overwhelming and i would love to just hear some of
00:48:59.960 your scripture recommendations thank you thank you so much for sending this voicemail um and
00:49:09.680 just thank you to your husband for his sacrifice and you are also making your own sacrifice because
00:49:16.500 because, you know, no one wants to be parenting on their own. Not only are you parenting on your
00:49:21.960 own and managing all of those responsibilities and trying to juggle all of the million things
00:49:26.760 that you've got going on, get enough sleep, take care of yourself, not only feed your kids,
00:49:31.320 but entertain them. I know that they've got a lot of energy and also be a good church member and a
00:49:36.800 good neighbor and a good friend and all of these things. And so it is impossible to do everything
00:49:43.220 perfectly. So just know that, that you are not held to a standard of perfection. Your job every
00:49:49.600 single day, just like all of us is to do the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the
00:49:54.020 glory of God. And that doesn't look the same as me or your neighbor or someone else. Do the next
00:49:59.680 right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God. Just focus on that. You can't focus
00:50:04.080 on, okay, what is it going to look like in 11 months? What is it going to look like six months
00:50:08.060 from now? How am I going to make Christmas special? What are we going to do for Halloween?
00:50:12.220 How am I going to handle all of this?
00:50:14.260 All of the things that you might be thinking about, that's not yours to carry right now.
00:50:18.680 That is not your burden.
00:50:20.020 Jesus says tomorrow will worry about itself.
00:50:22.460 Sufficient for today is its own trouble.
00:50:25.160 And really, I would say like sufficient for its moment is its own trouble.
00:50:28.900 And so just do the next right thing.
00:50:31.220 That's changing a diaper.
00:50:32.900 That's making those sandwiches.
00:50:34.600 That's listening to the Bible when you can't sit down for an hour by yourself and read
00:50:39.500 it, that saying a prayer when maybe you didn't have time to journal that morning. And then I
00:50:44.200 would say, um, something that came to mind. I remember before I even met my husband, I had a
00:50:50.600 journal that, you know, I wrote prayers for him and I wrote thoughts that I had about like what
00:50:55.820 he could be doing and what I wanted the Lord to be doing in his heart and doing in his life.
00:51:01.220 And that was a way of me kind of redeeming the time that I didn't get to spend with him,
00:51:07.300 that I didn't know him and building up the anticipation for meeting him one day.
00:51:11.620 And it's really cool to be able to look back and to look at those journals and say, wow,
00:51:16.340 like the Lord was really working through those, even though I didn't know what was going on.
00:51:20.400 And I'm not trying to put another thing on your plate, on your list, list of tasks,
00:51:24.700 but I just wonder if you could write down a sentence, a paragraph, maybe a page every day
00:51:30.180 in prayer for your husband, a letter to your husband. I know you can't talk to him every day.
00:51:35.060 You don't always know what to pray for, but I think that is a way of counting down the
00:51:40.700 days and of doing something useful with that time that you're not able to interact with
00:51:45.460 them.
00:51:46.240 Also, if you are not part of a local church, be a part of a local church and ask for help.
00:51:52.320 Like I guarantee you, there are women, older women, single women, um, you know, aunts,
00:51:58.480 uncle, uncles, grandmothers who are in your church, who would love to come over and help.
00:52:03.360 who would love to watch your kids so you can go on a walk or you can, you know, go get coffee or
00:52:08.760 something like that. You do need that time and rely on your friends, rely on family, rely on
00:52:15.080 fellow church members for help because you do need that. We were not made to do anything alone,
00:52:20.580 especially motherhood. And, um, your boys are going to remember that you were present,
00:52:26.960 that you made life fun and sweet and nourishing for them even when their dad was gone. Our kids
00:52:34.820 don't hold us to a standard of perfection and neither does the perfect God of the universe.
00:52:39.400 So you're good. And again, thank you for your sacrifice and especially for everything that
00:52:45.620 your husband is laying down on the line. Just appreciate y'all so much. All right. I want to
00:52:51.860 get into this question about children's ministry and the recent change in the Southern Baptist
00:52:58.240 Convention and what it means for that. I do have one more sponsor. So let me read that before we
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00:54:05.660 hi Allie this is April um I listened to your message on the SBC and Al Mohler um
00:54:17.460 and I just wondered because you were talking about women pastors which I pretty much align
00:54:27.580 I think I align with your point of view on that completely I just am curious what you think about
00:54:34.900 um people or women be called pastors over like a children's ministry because like my church has
00:54:44.060 women women's pastors but they're just a children ministry and that to me seems a little more like
00:54:52.580 maybe lenient i don't know but just curious your thoughts on that thanks bye
00:54:59.400 yes i i don't think that it's an accurate title for people in that role pastor is shepherd
00:55:11.100 leader of the church and even in that role of being the head of a women's ministry or head
00:55:16.800 of the children's ministry i still see the pastor of the church as the shepherd of that flock and
00:55:23.960 but I'm not saying that functionally that church is out of step with the Southern Baptist
00:55:30.380 Convention. If those women are not exercising authority over a man in the local church, 0.97
00:55:36.560 then I'm not as concerned about the title. I just think the title doesn't exactly fit 0.99
00:55:42.640 with the function of those roles. To me, to me, now maybe some people disagree with me,
00:55:48.480 I don't think that's a reason to leave the church. I really think it matters what those
00:55:52.880 positions are what they are doing how they're functioning what authority is being exercised 0.99
00:55:57.760 women having authority and teaching authority over other women and over children um within the
00:56:05.120 church of course still under submission to the head pastor and his leadership i think is totally
00:56:11.220 in alignment um with scripture so yeah i'd be interested to understand the why like my church
00:56:17.740 doesn't call the women and children's or women's ministry pastors. And so I'd be curious to kind
00:56:25.820 of know the why, the thought behind that. But again, I don't think that's enough to be a deal
00:56:31.380 breaker unless you are seeing some kind of exercise of authority by these women that don't 0.92
00:56:36.480 seem to be in alignment with scripture. All right. I hope that's helpful. I hope that adds 0.92
00:56:43.180 some clarity. Let me know what you thought about yesteryear if you read it, if you're planning on
00:56:47.280 going to see the movie. Spoiler, I'm probably not. I'm probably not going to see the movie,
00:56:53.060 just FYI. We'll see. All right. That's all we got time for today. We will be back here on Wednesday.