Ep 1360 ｜ ‘Yesteryear’ & the Hollywood Plot to Demonize Christian Women
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Summary
Is the bestseller, "Yesteryear," a valid critique of modern wife influencer culture, or is it a malicious attempt to discredit conservative Christianity? We've got that, plus voicemails at the end of today's episode.
Transcript
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Is the bestseller, Yesteryear, a valid critique of trad wife influencer culture, or is it
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a malicious attempt to completely discredit conservative Christianity?
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We've got that, plus voicemails, at the end of today's episode.
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eternal plan of redemption is going off without a hitch. He sees you, he hears you, and he really
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does care. That's good news. All things are working together for the good of those who love
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him who are called according to his purpose. That is Romans 8, 28. All right, let's get into
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today's subject, which is topical, but we tie in theology as we always do. On Mondays, we try to
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talk about something that is going on, something that is trending. It could be an idea. It could
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be a video or like today, it could be a book and then talk about, all right, what does God's word
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actually say about this versus what the world is calling trendy, what the world is calling popular
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and good and true. Let's stack it up against God's word and see how it holds up. Today we're
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talking about yesteryear. This is the bestseller from Carol Claire Burke. This is the debut novel
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of Burke. It was published in April of this year. It reached number one on the New York
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Times bestseller list shortly after publication. New York Times best book of the year so far
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appeared among the most popular books on Apple Books, topped the publisher's weekly hardcover
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fiction bestseller list. Good morning, America book club pick for April, 2026. And not only that,
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but it is also being made into a movie with Anne Hathaway. Here's the ad for that. It's not one.
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My name was Natalie Heller Mills, and I was perfect at being alive. Sure.
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Now, y'all tell me if this is normal. I just find it odd that this book came out in April of this
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year, but that video with Anne Hathaway, by the way, I said it was an ad. It wasn't really, I
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guess, an ad for the movie, but just Anne Hathaway promoting the book and I guess teasing the fact
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that she's going to be playing Natalie in the movie. That was published in December of last
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year. I just don't know of many books that get that popular and that much traction before they're
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actually published. So obviously this was very well orchestrated. That means that this book is
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conveying a message that Hollywood wants us to hear. Hollywood wants us to believe that the
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media wants us to believe. And that is why so much has been ginned up around this because it is
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echoing a sentiment that is not only very popular already among a lot of liberal women, progressive
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intelligentsia and Hollywood, but it is also trying to convince us of something. It is also
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trying to scare us away from something. So let's look at what that something is and the message
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that I believe it's trying to convey. And by the way, I listened to this book and I typically like
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to read my fiction in, you know, it's paper form, but this time I needed to read it quickly because
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I was writing an article about it. And so I listened to it and I will just tell you it is
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gripping. The premise of the novel is extremely unique and I found it very listenable. So the
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idea is that there's this influencer trad wife woman named Natalie. Okay. And so she is monetizing
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her life. She lives in this homestead. She's made a lot of money as an entrepreneur. She's a doting
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wife. Her husband is a part of this political dynasty, but also he's secretly cheating on her
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and she is pretending to her Instagram followers to be a farmer, to be a stay-at-home mom,
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but really she's outsourcing all of these responsibilities to other people,
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but making money off of this fake persona. She's described as a Christian kind of loosely,
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but it's obvious that she's supposed to be very religious in a Christian way,
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but her inner monologue is characterized by spite and by bitterness, hatred of her husband,
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resentment in her life, constant comparison and critique of other people, judgmentalism.
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And so you see right away that we're supposed to see hypocrisy in this woman, which kind of
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resonates with a lot of what many of us feel about influencer culture. We've seen some of
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these people, Ruby Frank, there is a wellness influencer named Bella. I forget her last name.
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It was revealed that Ruby Frank didn't really have this happy mom, got it all together life
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that she was conveying on YouTube. She was abusing her children. This Bella wellness influencer said
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that she had healed herself of brain cancer through nutrition. And it ended up that the
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entire story was just a money-making scheme and it was fake. And so right away, this idea of an
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influencer not being who she is portraying herself to be for money, like we understand it. It resonates
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with us and you already from the beginning want this character to get her comeuppance, like put
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your politics to the side, whether or not you like trad wife culture right away, this character is
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very unlikable. And so when this character, and by the way, there are spoilers, there are spoilers
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here. She's transported back to 1855 and basically forced to live the life that she is monetizing
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without the amenities that make that kind of homesteading life luxurious, you're like, yes,
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she is getting exactly what she deserves. But it is also extremely dark and extremely crass. So
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she goes back to 1855. She doesn't have electricity. She's got a primitive existence.
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She sees on the wall a calendar that says that they're in the 19th century. They're in 1855.
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she doesn't have all of her children there. They all kind of look like versions of her children,
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but they're not the same names as her children. They're not nice to her. And then you, uh, she
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sees her husband, what looks like her husband, but he is really mean to her. He's abusive to her.
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There are sexually graphic, uh, abuse scenes. It's just really disturbing and dark. And so
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at least for me, you go from thinking, okay, this hypocritical woman needs to be exposed for the
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fraud she is to seeing, wow, this is like a really harsh, intense punishment to me. Like you can see
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Burke's intense hatred and resentment towards like the trad wife world and the trad life
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influencer trend that this almost seems like a personal punitive narrative, like against women
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who promote this kind of lifestyle with how extremely graphic and violent it gets against
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this main character, Natalie. We'll get into the rest of this story. Again, there will be spoilers.
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code Allie. All right. So this book alternates after she's transported back to 1855, which
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happens like pretty early in the book. It kind of goes back and forth. And so we're seeing what
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her life is like in 1855, having to go through just all of these horrible things. Like she gets
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this horrible deep cut in her ankle and she has to get it sewn together at home without any kind
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of pain medication. I mean, it's really just terrible and probably similar to how life actually
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was in 1855. But then we also see her going to college, um, and what that was like and basically
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how she became the influencer that she did. But here's the kicker. Okay. Here's the kicker is
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that actually we find at the end of the book that Natalie wasn't actually transported back to the
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past because you don't actually know how or why she's transported back. It's not like a time
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machine novel. We're never told some witch came out of the forest and cast a spell on her and
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she was back to the 19th century. It's just she wakes up one day and her house is the same but
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different. And so then it's revealed that she never actually time traveled. After her social
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media entrepreneurial empire fell in real life in the 2020s, she and Caleb isolated themselves
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in a pioneer style existence. And her deteriorating mental state led her to construct this 1855
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fantasy. And so her children, many of her children, because at the beginning she has lots of children,
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and then when she's transported back to 1855, she only has four children. They had gone no
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contact with her. They don't want to be with her anymore. And then her husband, Caleb, really did
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become abusive toward her. And so then we see that years later, Natalie is serving a 30-year
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prison sentence for child abuse when she returns to the ranch for an interview about her daughter's
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memoir. Her daughter in this book ended up writing a memoir about how terrible her life is and how
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terrible um her mother was so like it's a very sad and dark story there are some humorous points
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in it certainly and there's some lightheartedness and again there's certainly some parts of it that
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will resonate with you we all are familiar with the dangerous pitfall of influencer culture which
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is deception you want to see that kind of uh reprisal toward bad actors towards villains and
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you never really start to like Natalie and all of this. But again, you can see that, okay, there is
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almost a malice behind this story and how it is written and the punishment that is doled out
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that seems to me ideological. It seems to me personal. You can see this kind of sentiment
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echoed, or at least the unlikability of the main character by Harper's Bazaar, a decidedly
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unlikable protagonist. In my article, I called her an antagonistic protagonist. That's what she
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is. The New Yorker criticized the characterization more broadly, arguing that Natalie comes across as
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more of a caricature than a real person, making it harder for the novel to succeed fully. And
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that is true. We'll get to more of that in a second. Natalie is relentlessly self-absorbed
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unlikable, which made it tough to stay invested in her journey. And I've seen the author talk
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about this. She wanted this person to become unlikable. I think she wanted her to become
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a caricature because I believe to this author that Natalie represents conservative Christian
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women. And she does not want the reader to have empathy for the different facets of conservative
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Christian woman. She did not want to present Natalie as kind of struggling morally or ethically
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with some of her choices. She didn't want to present her as someone who is actually virtuous
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underneath, but is a victim of her own circumstances or ideology or anything. She wanted her to be so,
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um, so hate inducing so that when you see that kind of person represented in real life,
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you will also feel hatred toward her. That's my thought behind that. I do agree with a lot of
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this criticism that a book is more successful and really does transport you out of this present
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moment when the characters are tough, like when you don't know whether to like them or to hate
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them. I think about Tony Soprano. This is, I think, the best example of this. Obviously,
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he's a mobster. He's a terrible person. He's murdered people. He cheats on his wife. He's
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abusive. He has all these terrible things. And yet you find yourself feeling badly for him.
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You find yourself kind of trusting him. You find yourself thinking, I think that I would go into
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business with Tony Soprano. That is the brilliance of the writers. I think of shows like that to show
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you even, okay, more lighthearted, someone like Michael Scott. Michael Scott, you just want to
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be angry with him all the time. He's so immature. He says the dumbest stuff, but then he has these
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really redemptive moments where you're like, gosh, that was so insightful and so wise.
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And then you're like, no, I think he should continue to be the manager of Dunder Mifflin.
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And so it's that kind of complication, that nuance that reflects real life in so many ways
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and makes, I think makes books like this more gripping. But the author didn't want to do that
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because the author explicitly says, this is a critique of America. This is a critique of
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America as a Christian nationalist nation, which means to me that not only is she criticizing
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trad life, trad wife culture, which by the way, so have I, I have criticized the conflation
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of trad wife with biblical wife or biblical woman, because they're not the same things.
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A biblical woman can be lived out. Biblical womanhood, Proverbs 31 woman can be lived out
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in Manhattan. It can be lived out in a studio apartment. It can be lived out as a single woman
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who is serving her church and working hard where God has called her. It can be lived out on a
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homestead in Oklahoma. It can be lived out in underground churches in China. Christianity and
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Christian womanhood is not an aesthetic. It is a standard that is set forth in scripture. So
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as long as we are living up to God's standards of what it means to be a godly woman, a godly wife,
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a godly mom, it doesn't really matter how it looks on Instagram, whether you dress your kids
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in polyester Paw Patrol shirts or in linen dresses and slacks. So that has been my critique is that
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there's nothing wrong with tradition, nothing wrong with sourdough and homeschool and all of
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those things, but it is not synonymous with Christianity. And I think that that's really
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important for us to realize. The problem to me with yesteryear is actually that this author
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makes the exact same mistake, is that she conflates Christianity and really all conservative
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Christians with hypocritical trad life influencing. She basically says that those things are
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interchangeable, and that to me is why I see such an ideological malicious bent here.
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She said to the New York Times, I feel like I've spent the last decade watching people in power
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try on and take off elements of religious strategy to see what works best. That sentence alone,
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I think is true in a lot of ways, but she said, I became obsessed with the idea that fundamentalism
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is pretty consistent for women across not just every thread of Christianity, but every religion.
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There is so much more in common between fundamentalists than separating them. She
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also goes on to say that this main character is a fundamentalist Christian. And this is really to
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me where her source material shines through. She said that she got a lot of her inspiration
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from Reddit. Now Reddit, I believe to be a cesspool of the worst of progressivism and
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anti-Christian hostility. She said Reddit was an incredible resource. Ex-Mormon Reddit,
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ex-evangelical Reddit, ex-Jehovah's Witness. These women who leave these communities are
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more aware of gender than probably any other women I know. They're so aware of what that
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performance is. Now I can't dispel or disprove every single testimony on Reddit. And I don't
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want to, there are bad people who use religion certainly as a way to perform and then to mask
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hypocrisy. All of that is true, but Reddit is not the place to go for these testimonies or for
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an objective rendering of what these world views are like. Um, Carol or not Carol, whatever her
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name is. Um, Carol Burke, she claims to have been raised Catholic, but it sounds like she was raised
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mostly in a secular home. She said that her parents didn't quote push God on her. She also
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expressed in the same New York times interview that she was surprised at how many of her readers,
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um, asked if the main character is Catholic. And she was like, yeah, most people think she's
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evangelical, but some people say she's Catholic. And I'm like, well, that is because I don't even
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know if she realizes the confusing language that she had woven into this book. There is a part in
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the beginning of the book, I believe if I'm remembering, because I listened to it where
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she talks about confirmation, um, that she was confirmed in the church, but then she also uses
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language. Like she was born again and baptized as a high schooler, Natalie, the main character.
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And I'm like, well, those two things don't really go together. Confirmation is something that's
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that happens in the Catholic church. Being born again and baptism by immersion when you're in
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high school is something that happens in the evangelical church. I don't even think it's
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something that happens in the Mormon church. So I don't know if that's just confusion on her part,
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theological confusion. That is Reddit tier misrepresentation of theology though. So that
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doesn't surprise me. The hostility towards not just hypocrisy of trad influencers, but all kinds
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of conservative Christianity, which she lumps in as so-called fundamentalist, I think that is just
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the spirit that you see throughout this book. On Reddit, everyone who is outside of progressivism
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is called a fundamentalist. There really are fundamentalist Baptists or fundamentalist
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denominations. And you can see that the women aren't allowed to wear pants. They're not allowed
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to cut their hair. Very, very strict rules on all kinds of behavior and dress, but especially for
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women. And you really just break down and minimize what that word really means when you call people
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like me, which Reddit does, or anyone outside of progressivism who is a Christian, a fundamentalist.
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When you conflate those two things, what you're saying is that anyone who doesn't agree with you,
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who doesn't affirm lgbtq who doesn't believe abortion through all nine months it's great
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they're all fundamentalists and you know c.s lewis in the screw tape letters he talks about
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this and he talks about um you know screw tape the demonic perspective is talking to his nephew
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and he says you know i'm paraphrasing but putting a stigma with the word puritan has won thousands
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of souls to hell. And he is saying that what the demons want to do is to conflate self-righteous
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legalism with actual Christian virtue. If you call actual Christian virtues like chastity,
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for example, or like generosity, oh, that's Puritan or oh, that's fundamentalist that sure,
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I can believe some things about Christianity, but that, that kind of stuff is just too far.
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then you can scare people away from Christian virtue altogether. And that is certainly what
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has happened with fundamentalism. So it doesn't surprise me that Carol Burke has these feelings
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when she is consulting Reddit in her descriptions of what a Christian conservative woman is.
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is a critique of America. It's a critique of America as a Christian nationalist nation. This
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is a Christian nationalist country right now. That's what she told the New York Times. Well,
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like fundamentalist Christian nationalist is used to describe any Christian who is conservative,
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any Christian who's not on board with LGBTQ, any Christian who believes like every other person
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of every belief system does, by the way, that we should be able to live out the fullness of our
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worldview and that it shouldn't be isolated to our homes, that we should be able to vote according
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to our belief system. We should be able to speak according to our belief system. We should be able
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to conduct our business in accordance with our belief system. Christian nationalists to these
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people, it doesn't, they don't, it doesn't really have any meaning. And if you read this book about
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Natalie, like there is nothing even remotely that is quote unquote Christian nationalist about her.
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And this author actually says that, you know, Natalie doesn't even have like enough knowledge
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of her own theology or enough wisdom about what she actually believes to understand her
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doctrines or to understand her real belief system.
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And yet she's a fundamentalist Christian nationalist.
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This is just a combination of all these different feelings of hostility that people have towards
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it's the same thing that happens with The Handmaid's Tale. You know, outside of every
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conservative conference, you get a bunch of women who they have too much time on their hands. They
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need a hobby. They need a job. They need something. I mean, preferably like a family to
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take care of. And yet they are spending all of their free time donning these red robes. But if
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you read The Handmaid's Tale, it's real parallel is the surrogacy industry, which really does pay
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women to subject their bodies to be incubators for men that they're not related to and that
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they don't love. And so it has nothing to do with conservatism or Christianity at all in the same
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way that yesteryear and the critique of trad wife influencer culture has nothing to do with
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Christianity and really has nothing to do with conservatism and doesn't have any real reflection
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in conservative Christianity. She also says Yastriguer just shows the dangers of traditionalism
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in general. I find it absurd. I find the conversations that we're having right now
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to be patently absurd. I mean, we're trying to roll back no-fault divorce laws in order to get
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women to have more babies. It's so obviously gruesome. And I think that the fact that we
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are still having calm arguments about this on news channels is absurd to me. It's silly. It's
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ridiculous. And so, so much of yesteryear was just trying to lean into the absurdity and the
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hyperbole of it all, of being like, it's all ridiculous. And every character in this book
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and all of their beliefs are up to the volume level of 11. But that's also what this conversation
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feels like to me in modern day. It feels unbelievably satirical to me that we are
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talking sincerely. We are watching politicians sincerely talk about the need to have 16-year
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olds give birth more. I haven't seen a single politician sincerely say we need more teen moms.
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Please show me the politician who has that as their platform. I mean, you go from no fault
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divorce to like the glorification of teen moms. I haven't seen that. I really like I don't want
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more 16 year olds having babies. I definitely don't want anyone having babies and having sex
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outside of wedlock. At the same time, all babies are made in the image of God, and I want them to
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be born, and I want them to be cared for. That's not radical. The conversation about no-fault
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divorce is actually a very good one for a very long time. We did not have no-fault divorce.
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No-fault divorce made it really easy for people to get a divorce based on irreconcilable differences,
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vague reasons. Well, that's not good for families. It's not good for children. Children are the
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victims of divorce. There are biblical grounds for divorce, by the way. I'm not saying that there
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aren't, but irreconcilable differences is not one of them. And the willy-nilly way that we go about
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divorce in this country is not good. And the law shouldn't make it as easy as possible for people
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to get a divorce just because they've grown out of love or they have decided that they like,
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that's not good. We want to make it as easy as possible for people to stay together.
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People aren't debating no-fault divorce so we can have more teen moms.
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And so she's talking about, oh, we have such a hyperbolic conversation.
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I don't see anyone actually representing what you're talking about.
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Now, just to show you what kind of person she is, she also mocks Erica Kirk.
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OK, so she mocked Erica Kirk for saying that we need to be watchful for kids being radicalized
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by online content after Charlie was murdered. That's 100 percent true. I guess that Burke
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thinks that's funny. Here's that clip. It's so housewife code. It's so Erica Kirk from her
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five million dollar mansion coded. But like also, can I can I can I blame her when that's exactly
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the type of perspective I would expect from her? Hard to say. Yeah, I can blame her. I'll blame
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You don't have to. I will. Okay. Onward. Do you want your kid to be a thought leader
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or an assassin? That's where we're at. No in between.
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So, you know, I see this so much with progressive women is that they'll point to someone like Erica
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Kirk or someone else and say, oh, those people are so mean. They're so awful. We need to have
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more empathy, but then they'll be cruel. I mean, they're the meanest girls on the block.
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they're the girls that sit around with their friends and talk about everyone else and how
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weird they are and how just silly they are and how dumb they are. I mean, that's exactly what
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she's doing. This is toxic femininity right there, but it's all justified. This is also
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the problem with empathy being your guidepost and empathy actually being the gauge of your morality.
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I see this kind of thing a lot. The people that preach the most about empathy have the least
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amount of empathy for the people that they disagree with because the people they disagree
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with are not just people they disagree with in the progressive mind. They're enemies. They're
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the oppressors. And you shouldn't have empathy for the oppressors in their mind. You shouldn't
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have empathy for the people that are, you know, pressing down the minority or the woman or
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whatever. She certainly didn't want us to have empathy for Natalie. And in her mind, I think
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Erica Kirk and Natalie are basically the same. That's why virtue and objective goodness. And
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of course, as a Christian, biblical standards have to be your guidepost. Empathy when in
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submission to biblical standards can be great, but when it's the only thing guiding you,
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you are going to make your moral decisions and your decisions about kindness based on how you're
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able to relate to someone or whether you're not able to relate to someone. I saw someone,
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for example, say the other day that we don't need to have empathy for babies inside the womb because
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they don't have experiences like we have experiences. First of all, you're misunderstanding
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the whole exercise. We have experienced what they've experienced. Every single one of us is
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grownups. I'm kind of going off the trail now, but as grownups have experienced what a baby inside
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the womb has experienced. But because you can't remember that, that is why you're saying we
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shouldn't have empathy or give rights to babies inside the womb. That is the danger of empathy
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being your guidepost. I guarantee you this author prides herself on being a very empathetic person.
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and here she is mocking someone like erica kirk because erica kirk is on the wrong side
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um she told the new york times that all women were sold a false bill of goods both liberal and
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conservative she said we're all sold a bill of false goods and that's true for conservative
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women and it's true for liberal women the point of the book is that uh is not that one wins in
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natalie's mind it's like the alternative doesn't look good she doesn't want to work in an office
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and be miserable and poor and so to pretend that it's like why didn't you leave your husband to
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get a job at a marketing firm in downtown Manhattan and be broke and have a kid. It's like,
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that sounds awful. Um, in some ways. Okay. I kind of appreciate her attempt at nuance there. I do
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think that it's not like she makes the progressive characters in the book seem amazing. Um, and so I
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will kind of give her some points for that. Um, a really big critique that people have something
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that people are pointing out is that Natalie was actually inspired by a real life person that
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Natalie was inspired by someone named Hannah Nealman of Ballerina Farm. I mean, it is really,
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really close. If you know who Ballerina Farm is, she is she's I won't call her a trad wife because
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she's actually said before that she's not like she doesn't don that moniker. She has said that
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she's a business owner, that she's an entrepreneur, that she's a beauty pageant queen and that she
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doesn't take on that, um, that trad wife trend or take on that trad wife name. And I appreciate that.
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I actually don't follow, um, ballerina farm myself. I just, you know, it's not the kind of
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content that I follow. However, I, if I were her, I might be looking at my legal options
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when it comes to yesteryear, because the comparisons are so close, the same thing with
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eight or nine kids um her husband um comes from money i think jet blue money i think his dad
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might have is ceo or owner of jet blue or something um and that's the same with natalie
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in the book i mean that entire aesthetic that is described in the book is very similar to
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neilman's homestead i believe that she is in montana if i remember correctly she also has
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a thriving business. She's also setting up a tripod to, you know, make her, make her stuff
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and her kids are in her videos. And obviously she's monetizing all of this. And I don't know
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her, you know, I don't know what her life is really like. We can go through some of these,
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um, covers. She's also a ballerina. She's very beautiful. And she does make this life
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just, it looks glamorous and it looks fun. And she makes things look easy. I don't know anything
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about what things are like for her personally, but I have no reason to think that yesteryear
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is a reflection of who she is or what her family is like at all. I mean, social media is not real
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life. So I don't know who she is. She seems really sweet though. Like she seems to just love to cook
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and love to home make and to love to make things from scratch and to love to farm. She seems to
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love to have babies. Like that's something that comes easily for her. She's got a lot of cute
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kids. And so to so obviously use her as a caricature, like a really demonic caricature,
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I just think is evil and wrong. Now, like it, this is not someone that I just personally feel
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the need to advocate for, because I don't know that we have a whole lot of commonalities. She's
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LDS. I'm not a, I'm not a homesteader. I just think it's wrong to assume the very worst of
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her and people like her. Even if I don't want to conflate the trad life with biblical Christianity,
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I can also say with someone like ballerina farm and girl, you are successful and you make it look
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easy and your family is beautiful and you're successful. And that's great. Like, I just don't
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feel the need for her to be a target of my ire. And I think it's really unfortunate and wrong.
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Again, mega mean girl, mega mean girl vibes for you to take like the beautiful, popular ballerina
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and for you to so obviously twist what you think her life is to make a bunch of money,
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of fostering grievance towards conservative women all right we've got more on this in just a second
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that all fundamentalists have almost everything in common, that a fundamentalist Muslim is very,
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very similar to a quote unquote fundamentalist Christian. Now, fundamentalist Christian,
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remember, she's talking about you and me. She's talking about people who take the Bible seriously
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about sexuality and marriage and children and abortion and all of those things. And so now,
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a fundamentalist Muslim would be someone who joins ISIS and would be someone who is part of
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Hamas committing terror and fundamentalist Christian would be people who just read the
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Bible and say, yeah, I think this is true and I should apply it to my life and killing babies is
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bad. But she says, and this is very popular, I've heard this sentiment a lot, that fundamentalist
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Muslims, fundamentalist Christians, fundamentalists in all religion have much more in common
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than they do with anyone else who also claims to share their faith. Let me read you the disparate
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ideas that Christianity and Islam has, um, about women and marriage. So Ephesians five,
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25 through 30 husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,
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that he might sanctify her having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word
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so that he might present the church to himself in splendor without spot or wrinkle or any such
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thing that she might be holy and without blemish in the same way. Husbands should love their wives
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as their own bodies. He who loves his wife, loves himself for no one ever hated his own flesh,
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but nourishes and cherishes it just as Christ has the church, because we are members of his body.
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Wow. So much there. The gospel is reflected the marriage between Christ and his church,
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which is true in eternity is represented in earthly marriage only between one man and one
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woman. And husbands are to love their wives so much that they are willing to lay themselves down
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for her. That is a high calling that women aren't called to that. Women aren't called to the exact
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same love and sacrifice for our husbands that our husbands are called to for us. In another part of
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this passage, wives are to submit to our husbands as to the Lord. The much harder job in this
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passage, it definitely falls on the husbands. We're to submit to our husbands as we submit to
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the Lord, and then husbands are to be willing to die for their wives. That's really big. And also
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to present them to God without blemish. And so also to help her be sanctified in Christ,
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huge, huge responsibility. The radical thing there was not what modern feminists think that
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wives are to submit to their husbands. The radical thing at the time would have been that husbands
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are to be sacrificially loving their wives, that they are to be this kind of like self-denying
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and the self-denying role in marriage that would have been completely radical in a time when women
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weren't even seen as full people. Now contrast that with Islam, men have authority over women
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and are told if they feel a woman is rebellious, they should banish them to another bed and then
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beat them. And I just want to highlight men have authority over women, not just husbands have
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authority over their wives. That is a key distinction. And then also how these women
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are treated in the Quran 434 men are in charge of women because Allah have made the one of them
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to excel the other and because they spend of their property for the support of women. So good
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women are the obedient guardian and secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom
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ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart and scourge them. Men are also
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allowed to marry multiple women. That is not allowed in Christianity. We just read that in
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Ephesians 5, Quran 4, 3. And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls,
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then marry those that please you of other women two or three or four also men are allowed sexual
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relations with female captives and slaves their great prophet muhammad he married a six-year-old
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allegedly consummated that when she was nine years old and contrasting that to christianity
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we see that the first people who were created on earth were one man and one woman not one boy and
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one girl, one man and one woman. And we're told to be fruitful and multiply, which is only possible
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post-puberty. So from the beginning to the end, we see that it is one man and one woman. That is
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the only holy definition of marriage in Christianity. It is inherently anti-child sexual
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abuse. It is inherently anti-pedophilia. That cannot be said for many other religions and
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ideologies out there, not to say that people haven't done evil things who profess to be
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Christians, but Christianity as it is biblically practiced is anti that kind of exploitation,
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fundamentalist or not. So she's just incorrect. Again, Reddit tier understanding of theology,
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but so popular in the progressive world. I would love to have this person on and we could have more
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detailed conversation about what Christian theology actually is. Now, are any of these
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critiques valid in her book? I think we've already probably gone over that. I think that
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influencer culture is ripe for valid critique. I think that there is, as I've already explained,
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an issue with conflating Christianity with being a quote unquote trad wife. But I actually think
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that Burke makes that same mistake in her own kind of malicious way. Is it a good is it a good
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book? It depends on what you mean by good. Is it entertaining? Yeah, it's entertaining,
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but it gets harder and harder as the book goes on to separate the clear malice in the book from the
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entertainment. Julia Yost at Compact Magazine wrote this. Now, I didn't notice this when I was
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listening to it, but it's kind of funny to read. So Julia Yoss at Compact Magazine says,
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Bert can't write, at least not in English. When Natalie rejects minimalism, she defines it as
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a house absent of stuff. She worries that her hopeful visions sniffed of greed. She lies in
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bed, shoring up energy. During that rapey sex scene, the whites of her eyes travel around the
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room okay that one reading that part made me laugh because what does that even mean you're
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the whites of your eyes travel in the room okay elsewhere nannies described as quote looking up
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at us with a cool unblinking stare like a cat blinking lazily out from their sunlit perch
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unblinking like a cat blinking so they're always going to be critiques of how fiction writers
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right? Again, listening to it, I thought it was very, very listenable. In conclusion,
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when it comes to social media and performance, one thing I will say and that we've talked about
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a lot is that what you project on social media should be who you are in real life. And obviously
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you should never be lying, period. Certainly you shouldn't be lying for followers or lying for
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profit, that part is actually true. Is this representation or this critique of deception
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and influencer culture indicative of all quote unquote trad influencers? I don't know. But are
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trad influencers synonymous with conservative Christians who love being moms and make their
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own sourdough? Absolutely not. I don't think that Burke understands the nuances and the reality of
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Christianity. And that to me is why this book wasn't as effective as she thinks it is. I know
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she said that it's supposed to be hyperbole, but it is only hyperbole because her beliefs about
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what conservatives believe, what Republicans believe, what Christians believe are also hyperbole
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and incorrect. If she had a real understanding of the theology and the belief systems and the
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culture that is at work within evangelicals, even within LDS or within, you know, traditional
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Catholics, then I think she actually would have been able to write a better, more resonant and
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more relatable book. But, you know, this is catnip for people who love The Handmaid's Tale. Like,
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this is catnip for progressives. It confirms all of their assumptions that everyone who takes the
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Bible seriously is basically, or, you know, the same as a radical Muslim and that we're trying
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to take the country back and that we're trying to bring everyone into our backward ideology.
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So if you believe that, then you are going to love this book because it confirms your faulty
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assumptions. Um, but if you are not someone who wants to be kind of like sucked into the darkness
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of this caricature, then I just, I wouldn't recommend it. It's not entertaining enough
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to put that to the side. Um, all right, let us, you know what, we're going to go ahead and answer
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some voicemails. We were going to talk about this whole trend on Etsy and witchcraft and things like
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that. We've talked about that some we'll table that because I do think it's interesting. There
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are some developments there and we'll talk about that soon, but let's go ahead and move on to
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Hi, so my husband is about to be deployed for the first time with two little boys.
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we have two little boys um three and ten months and he's gonna be gone for 11 months and i'm just
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looking for some encouragement for me um how to encourage him and how to
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keep myself grounded um while i'm running around with two little boys but i want to grow and i want
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to still be a good mom and it just feels really overwhelming and i would love to just hear some of
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your scripture recommendations thank you thank you so much for sending this voicemail um and
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just thank you to your husband for his sacrifice and you are also making your own sacrifice because
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because, you know, no one wants to be parenting on their own. Not only are you parenting on your
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own and managing all of those responsibilities and trying to juggle all of the million things
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that you've got going on, get enough sleep, take care of yourself, not only feed your kids,
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but entertain them. I know that they've got a lot of energy and also be a good church member and a
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good neighbor and a good friend and all of these things. And so it is impossible to do everything
00:49:43.220
perfectly. So just know that, that you are not held to a standard of perfection. Your job every
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single day, just like all of us is to do the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the
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glory of God. And that doesn't look the same as me or your neighbor or someone else. Do the next
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right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God. Just focus on that. You can't focus
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on, okay, what is it going to look like in 11 months? What is it going to look like six months
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from now? How am I going to make Christmas special? What are we going to do for Halloween?
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All of the things that you might be thinking about, that's not yours to carry right now.
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And really, I would say like sufficient for its moment is its own trouble.
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That's listening to the Bible when you can't sit down for an hour by yourself and read
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it, that saying a prayer when maybe you didn't have time to journal that morning. And then I
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would say, um, something that came to mind. I remember before I even met my husband, I had a
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journal that, you know, I wrote prayers for him and I wrote thoughts that I had about like what
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he could be doing and what I wanted the Lord to be doing in his heart and doing in his life.
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And that was a way of me kind of redeeming the time that I didn't get to spend with him,
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that I didn't know him and building up the anticipation for meeting him one day.
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And it's really cool to be able to look back and to look at those journals and say, wow,
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like the Lord was really working through those, even though I didn't know what was going on.
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And I'm not trying to put another thing on your plate, on your list, list of tasks,
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but I just wonder if you could write down a sentence, a paragraph, maybe a page every day
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in prayer for your husband, a letter to your husband. I know you can't talk to him every day.
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You don't always know what to pray for, but I think that is a way of counting down the
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days and of doing something useful with that time that you're not able to interact with
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Also, if you are not part of a local church, be a part of a local church and ask for help.
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Like I guarantee you, there are women, older women, single women, um, you know, aunts,
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uncle, uncles, grandmothers who are in your church, who would love to come over and help.
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who would love to watch your kids so you can go on a walk or you can, you know, go get coffee or
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something like that. You do need that time and rely on your friends, rely on family, rely on
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fellow church members for help because you do need that. We were not made to do anything alone,
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especially motherhood. And, um, your boys are going to remember that you were present,
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that you made life fun and sweet and nourishing for them even when their dad was gone. Our kids
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don't hold us to a standard of perfection and neither does the perfect God of the universe.
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So you're good. And again, thank you for your sacrifice and especially for everything that
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your husband is laying down on the line. Just appreciate y'all so much. All right. I want to
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get into this question about children's ministry and the recent change in the Southern Baptist
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hi Allie this is April um I listened to your message on the SBC and Al Mohler um
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and I just wondered because you were talking about women pastors which I pretty much align
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I think I align with your point of view on that completely I just am curious what you think about
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um people or women be called pastors over like a children's ministry because like my church has
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women women's pastors but they're just a children ministry and that to me seems a little more like
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maybe lenient i don't know but just curious your thoughts on that thanks bye
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yes i i don't think that it's an accurate title for people in that role pastor is shepherd
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leader of the church and even in that role of being the head of a women's ministry or head
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of the children's ministry i still see the pastor of the church as the shepherd of that flock and
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but I'm not saying that functionally that church is out of step with the Southern Baptist
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Convention. If those women are not exercising authority over a man in the local church,
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then I'm not as concerned about the title. I just think the title doesn't exactly fit
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with the function of those roles. To me, to me, now maybe some people disagree with me,
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I don't think that's a reason to leave the church. I really think it matters what those
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positions are what they are doing how they're functioning what authority is being exercised
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women having authority and teaching authority over other women and over children um within the
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church of course still under submission to the head pastor and his leadership i think is totally
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in alignment um with scripture so yeah i'd be interested to understand the why like my church
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doesn't call the women and children's or women's ministry pastors. And so I'd be curious to kind
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of know the why, the thought behind that. But again, I don't think that's enough to be a deal
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breaker unless you are seeing some kind of exercise of authority by these women that don't
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seem to be in alignment with scripture. All right. I hope that's helpful. I hope that adds
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some clarity. Let me know what you thought about yesteryear if you read it, if you're planning on
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going to see the movie. Spoiler, I'm probably not. I'm probably not going to see the movie,
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just FYI. We'll see. All right. That's all we got time for today. We will be back here on Wednesday.