Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1366 ｜ Why is Tucker’s Show Whitewashing Islam？

00:00:00.320 Have Muslims actually been super sweet to Christians throughout history?

00:00:04.400 That is the claim that Tucker Carlson's latest guest is making on his show.

00:00:08.020 We're going to fact check that and see if his claims are actually true.

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00:00:34.780 goodranchers.com. Code Allie. Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone is

00:00:50.040 having a wonderful day, a wonderful week so far. God's eternal plan of redemption. Last time I

00:00:55.600 checked, which was this morning. It's going off without a hitch. And I don't have to turn on the

00:00:59.860 news. I don't have to look on social media to figure that out. I don't have to look out there

00:01:04.600 for a sign because God's word lays it out really plainly. What's going to happen? Jesus wins in the

00:01:10.480 end. And all of this seeming hopelessness and this despair and this distress and the chaos and the

00:01:15.820 confusion electing communists in the state of New York that want to destroy America, the jihad that

00:01:22.140 seems to be running amok everywhere in Western civilization. That's all going to come to an end

00:01:28.100 as well as every election, every, uh, political endeavor, every single act of selfish ambition

00:01:38.280 at the expense of the vulnerable, all of that will end and Jesus will rule in perfect peace forever

00:01:44.340 and ever. And we will have eternal joy. There will be no more sadness. There will be no more

00:01:48.740 sickness. There will be no more sin, no more abortion, no more murder, no more violence,

00:01:55.000 no more war, no more confusion, no more doctrinal disputes. We will be with him in perfect peace

00:02:02.160 as the body of Christ, worshiping Jesus forever and ever. And that is our hope. Yes, we have

00:02:09.260 liberation from sin in this life. We have patience and perseverance through trials,

00:02:13.980 through the power of the Holy spirit. And this life, we have community with the body of believers.

00:02:19.100 We have so many sources of joy and the gifts of common grace that everyone else has that we get

00:02:24.680 to enjoy the beauty of creation. And we get to look forward to that perfect paradise where we're

00:02:30.740 in perfect communion with Christ forever and ever. If you want to know how to get there or how to know

00:02:36.080 absolutely for sure, 10 out of 10, that that's something that's going to happen for you after

00:02:41.060 you die or when Jesus comes back, there's not some mystery secret prayer. There's not something

00:02:46.480 that you have to do to clean yourself off or to make yourself good enough for God's love and

00:02:52.600 acceptance. There's actually nothing you can do. You're a sinner. I'm a sinner. We're too sinful

00:02:57.260 for a holy God. Even if you've just fibbed once, or if you've committed a long list of moral

00:03:03.360 atrocities, we are separated from God. And so that's why we needed a perfect sacrifice for sin

00:03:09.500 because all sin requires sacrifice and God sent that because he loves us so much in the form of

00:03:14.440 his only son, Jesus, who died on the cross, a death that he didn't deserve to die on our behalf,

00:03:20.480 paying for our sins so that those who by grace through faith believe in him for salvation will

00:03:26.480 have eternal life. And so we're reconciled to God. We become a friend of God. We have boldness

00:03:31.480 and access with confidence to the throne of God. And Jesus is the one that is advocating for us

00:03:37.100 and his spotless record becomes ours. God's eternal plan of redemption through Jesus

00:03:42.680 is going off without a hitch. He is seeking and saving the lost. There's nothing that surprises

00:03:48.580 him. And God uses the mostly unseen and unsung faithfulness of believers to accomplish his will.

00:03:56.320 You're not always going to see that on social media, on Instagram, on TikTok, on X. You're not

00:04:00.660 going to see that as a headline in the news. So much of what God does seems mysterious or seems

00:04:07.760 unknown to the rest of the world, but we get to participate in it. And it's not always going to

00:04:13.320 go viral or make a headline. And yet it makes a splash in eternity. Nothing is meaningless in the

00:04:20.080 life of the believer because we are all part of that eternal plan of redemption. Amen. So I like

00:04:25.720 to start out my Mondays with that, reminding myself of that, reminding you of that, because

00:04:31.600 it's really, really good news. And y'all, sometimes we need some good news, especially in the craziness

00:04:36.280 that is going on in the world. And I'm not just talking about all of the wars and all the violence

00:04:40.960 and all of the scary things. Those of us who are raising kids in this world, we want to make them

00:04:46.020 so brave and so strong and so wise and so discerning to be able to not just determine what's

00:04:51.140 the difference between right and wrong. That's a big one, but what's the difference between good

00:04:54.520 and best? What's the difference between something that sounds good and is actually good and godly

00:04:58.880 and biblical? And when we have sources that we have trusted for a long time, when we have people

00:05:03.800 that we have relied on for wisdom and insight to peer into the craziness of politics and culture

00:05:10.360 and tell us what is true, suddenly say things or agree with things, assent to things that are

00:05:17.600 insane, it can be very disorienting and disconcerting. We've talked a lot. I've

00:05:24.180 talked on this show and on other people's show about this strange shift that is going on, 0.67

00:05:29.800 the soft peddling of Islam that is happening on the right. Um, the kind of, I don't know how else 0.97

00:05:37.740 to say it except for propagandizing of Islam, the downplaying of Christian persecution in Muslim 0.78

00:05:44.020 countries, the propping up of Islam in an effort to say that Christianity and Islam are essentially

00:05:53.560 the same, that were very similar. We talked a few weeks ago about the Tucker Carlson Network put out

00:05:59.200 a post saying, you know, Muslims, they love Jesus. They revere Jesus. They regard Jesus as a prophet

00:06:06.660 and they didn't say anything about what Jewish people believe about Jesus. But when I've seen

00:06:10.600 other people bring that up. It's typically to try to contrast what Jewish people in the Talmud

00:06:15.900 says about Jesus. And at the time we talked about that and we made plain, look, it doesn't matter 0.93

00:06:20.660 if you think Jesus was a prophet, if you think Jesus was a good guy, if you think Jesus was a

00:06:25.360 bad guy, if you think Jesus is somewhere boiling in hell, or if you think Jesus was just a mortal

00:06:33.320 man who was killed by the Roman empire because of threatening Roman power. All of those things are

00:06:42.400 wrong and they're equally wrong. If you don't believe John 14, six, that Jesus is the way,

00:06:47.300 the truth, the life, that no one comes to the father except through him. If you don't believe

00:06:50.720 John 3, 16, that God sent his only son, that whoever believes in him will not perish and

00:06:56.180 have everlasting life. You are equally wrong. And that belief will send you to the same place.

00:07:00.880 So I see no need to like, look at the theology of all of these non-Christian religions and say, 0.98

00:07:06.940 Oh, who is closest to Christianity? That's not the game that we're called to play. We are called 0.99

00:07:11.740 to make disciples of all nations. That's all nations in the middle East. That includes Israel, 0.96

00:07:16.640 that includes Saudi Arabia, that includes Qatar, that includes every single nation on earth.

00:07:21.920 Christians are called to preach the gospel. And there's one gospel. There's not another one.

00:07:26.720 So what exactly is going on?

00:07:28.920 It's certainly not a Christian theological play that is happening to try to conflate

00:07:35.080 Islam with Christianity.

00:07:36.180 And in fact, it is to turn a blind eye to what is happening in these African countries, 0.98

00:07:42.300 in these Middle Eastern countries against Christians at the hands of a Muslim majority, 0.86

00:07:47.780 which by the way, has been characteristic of the relationship between Christianity and

00:07:52.860 Islam throughout history.

00:07:54.420 But now we're trying to rewrite history. And once again, we see this on Tucker Carlson's show. 0.97

00:07:59.740 He is a guest, former pastor, whose name is J.D. Hall. And he has decided to give us a new history

00:08:09.180 lesson about what it was actually like for Christians and the ancient Ottoman Empire.

00:08:14.900 And here's what he's got to say. So that won. 0.59

00:08:17.040 the ottomans didn't charge churches tax and so when the ottomans were in control of the promised

00:08:26.300 land for 400 years in the millet system they didn't charge churches tax israel started just

00:08:33.100 a few years ago and their muslim rulers didn't do that during the ottoman period okay so the

00:08:39.560 answer is no the muslim rulers didn't tax churches during the ottoman period they were very kind

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00:11:25.380 so this guest jd hall does exactly this song and dance of saying well actually islam throughout

00:11:37.360 history was pretty friendly to christians contrasting this to how jewish people throughout

00:11:43.080 history has treated christianity he talks about the ottoman empire you heard him make the claim

00:11:49.300 that muslim rulers didn't tax churches during the ottoman period they were very kind to christian so

00:11:54.860 let's break this down first the ottoman empire lasted from about 1300 to 1922 it was an islamic

00:12:01.960 empire founded by turkish rulers that grew to control much of southeast europe the middle east

00:12:07.140 north africa anatolia and christians occupied the space so to jewish people and so is it true

00:12:14.660 that how the muslim majority treated these religious minorities especially christians

00:12:20.120 was one of kindness and that the pilgrims were protected as they were making their way through

00:12:25.440 this part or through the empire. Now let me pause and tell you that my knowledge of this largely

00:12:32.580 comes from an incredible scholar, an incredible historian named Raymond Ibrahim. We've had him

00:12:37.860 on the show before. He wrote a book. He's written several books, but one of his books, I think the

00:12:42.200 best book on this is The Sword and the Scimitar. And I really encourage you to read that book,

00:12:47.360 go back, listen to, watch that episode. He's not coming from necessarily a theological perspective

00:12:53.980 or an ideological perspective. He's just coming from a historical and scholarly perspective

00:13:00.180 of the relationship between Christianity and Islam throughout history. And he paints the

00:13:07.880 accurate picture of what it has looked like and the conflict and the carnage that has been mostly 0.99

00:13:14.040 larged and completely originated by the Muslims who wanted to conquer Christians. So specifically 0.98

00:13:21.720 about this claim about the taxes that Christians weren't charged taxes, well, it's misleading.

00:13:29.280 Churches weren't specifically taxed, but Christians were subject to special taxes.

00:13:34.540 They weren't just safe because the Muslims wanted to protect the Christians in the ancient Ottoman

00:13:41.360 empire. They had to pay an extra tax called the jizya that was imposed on non-Muslims. That was

00:13:48.640 the only way to guarantee any kind of protection. It's true that the Ottomans allowed religious 1.00

00:13:54.460 communities to govern many of their own affairs. This is true of many places at the time, but

00:13:59.440 non-Muslims remained second-class subjects. In addition to paying extra taxes, they faced

00:14:04.180 restrictions on churches, on evangelism, legal rights, dress, bearing arms. The same is true 0.99

00:14:09.140 today, but even more so in most of these Muslim countries. This guest, J.D. Hall, says that 0.76

00:14:15.520 Muslims were very kind to Christians. But of course, that part is just not true. The Islamic

00:14:19.820 Ottoman Empire persecuted Christians for centuries, killed them, enslaved them for centuries. So let 1.00

00:14:27.140 me give you an example of this. Every Christian has heard of Constantinople. Most people, Christian

00:14:32.080 or not, have heard of Constantinople. So the Ottoman conquest of Constantinople marked the

00:14:37.440 end of the Byzantine Empire. It transformed the city, which was Christianity's most significant

00:14:43.300 city at the time, or at least one of them, into the capital of an Islamic state. So for more than

00:14:49.500 a thousand years, Constantinople had served as the center of Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

00:14:55.400 It was named after Constantine the Great, the first Roman emperor to convert to Christianity.

00:15:00.560 And previously, the Byzantine successfully defeated the Arab siege of Constantinople

00:15:04.760 in 718 AD, preserving early Christianity against a Muslim onslaught. But then Constantinople fell 0.54

00:15:11.800 in 1453. And this was this huge watershed moment in history, and it signaled the collapse of the

00:15:18.500 last remnant of the Roman Empire. So when the city's defenses gave way, thousands of civilians

00:15:24.260 crowded into the Hagia Sophia, the city's largest church seeking safety, and the Ottoman troops led

00:15:30.860 by Sultan Mehmed II forced their way inside and the refuge became the scene of looting,

00:15:35.580 enslavement, widespread abuse, including mass rape. Eyewitnesses. We have eyewitness testimony

00:15:41.580 from this when Constantinople, this Christian city, fell. And here's one eyewitness by account

00:15:50.880 of the taking of Constantinople in 1453 by Thomas the Park. Okay. Then he, Sultan Mehmed II,

00:15:58.020 seized one of the grand duke's daughters who was quite beautiful and made her lie on the great 0.98

00:16:01.820 altar of the Hagia Sophia with a crucifix under her head and then raped her. Then the most brutish 0.99

00:16:07.640 of the Turks seized the finest noble women, virgins and nuns of the city and violated them 1.00

00:16:12.240 in the presence of the Greeks and in the sacrilege of Christianity. Wow, things haven't changed in 0.99

00:16:18.240 centuries. This is the same thing that happens to Christians today in very similar manners, 1.00

00:16:22.880 certainly in places like Nigeria and Uganda, it is not just the pillaging of Christian women. 0.89

00:16:29.080 It is the purposeful blasphemy against the Christian God. In all, about 4,000 Christians 0.98

00:16:35.200 were slaughtered by the Ottomans during the fall of Constantinople. And then on top of that,

00:16:39.560 because it wasn't just that day or that period, 50,000 Christians were sold into slavery and

00:16:44.940 many of the women were made part of the Sultan's harem. The Hagia Sophia was converted into a mosque.

00:16:51.940 So from the 14th to the 17th centuries, Ottoman officials enslaved Christian boys as young

00:16:57.000 as seven under a known policy, a policy known as the child levy.

00:17:01.540 These children were taken to Istanbul, forcibly converted to Islam and made soldiers or palace

00:17:06.940 administrators in total and estimated 500,000 to 1 million Christian boys were enslaved

00:17:13.300 under this system.

00:17:14.960 So Christian persecution by the Ottoman Empire continued throughout the centuries, culminating

00:17:21.000 in the Armenian genocide. You've probably heard of this. You might not realize that this happened

00:17:26.000 only a little over a hundred years ago. This was the largest Christian genocide in history. It was 0.89

00:17:31.480 at the hands of powerful Muslims from 1915 to 1916. The Ottoman empire killed an estimated 600,000

00:17:38.420 to 1.2 million Armenian Christians. So no, this claim that the Ottomans were very kind to

00:17:47.480 Christians is just not true. Were there maybe individual Muslims who were nice to Christians?

00:17:53.200 Were there maybe periods of time where there was some kind of respite of intense enslavement and

00:17:58.640 persecution? That is possibly true. But even the claim, the example, the one example that he gives

00:18:04.540 of the kindness of the Ottoman Empire to Christians isn't even true. That Christians were protected

00:18:09.880 and that they weren't charged taxes. They were charged the special tax that all non-Muslims 1.00

00:18:15.560 were charged. That is a form of persecution. He also has another evidentiary example,

00:18:23.840 apparently, of the ancient Muslims being kind to Christians. He claims that it was the Muslims who

00:18:30.140 actually cared for all of the Christian holy sites. Here's that too. They took care of our 0.99

00:18:36.160 holy sites. They had rebuilt Islamic authorities, rebuilt the Church of the Sepulchre three different

00:18:43.840 times over the centuries. They had a law protecting Christian pilgrims on their journey.

00:18:52.160 Like nobody messed with the pilgrims. The Ottoman Turks, the Muslim rulers of the Holy Land,

00:18:56.300 rebuilt the Church of the Holy Sepulchre three times? Three times, yeah. Either completely 0.78

00:19:00.800 rebuilt it or a major renovation one time it caught on fire and they redid the roof. But if

00:19:05.980 you've seen the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, you can imagine what it took. All right. Is this

00:19:12.040 actually true. We looked into it. In 1009, a Muslim Egyptian caliph ordered the destruction

00:19:17.300 of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and the church was again vandalized by Muslims during

00:19:22.120 the siege of Jerusalem in 1244, during a wider crackdown on Christian and Jewish places of

00:19:27.600 worship. Under Ottoman rule, church renovations were usually performed and paid for by Christian

00:19:33.200 communities, so it was rebuilt under the empire, but not, as far as we can tell, by the Ottomans.

00:19:40.140 In 1555, for example, Franciscan friars renovated the church with the 1808 fire, which Hall

00:19:46.720 references in the clip, the rebuilding was funded by the Greek Orthodox and Arminian

00:19:50.600 communities.

00:19:51.400 You know, the Arminian community that about a hundred years after this was slaughtered 0.98

00:19:55.820 in mass by the Ottoman Muslims.

00:19:58.060 So it was actually rebuilt by the Christian communities, not by Ottoman authorities.

00:20:01.580 Now you could say that the Ottoman authorities allowed this to happen and okay, that would 0.72

00:20:06.260 be a point to make.

00:20:07.500 but the reason he doesn't make that point is because it doesn't prove his premise and his

00:20:12.080 theory that, or his argument that Muslims were so unendingly kind to Christians. And then in 1868,

00:20:19.700 the dome was restored through cooperation between Greek Orthodox Catholic and Ottoman authorities.

00:20:25.040 Ottoman approval was necessary because the empire tightly regulated changes to the church

00:20:29.460 and even minor renovations required Ottoman authorization. All right. So you could say

00:20:36.600 that the authorization was there. That would be an argument to make not as strong, but it's

00:20:43.160 completely inaccurate. Again, I would say this person, I don't know the intentions of JD Hall's

00:20:49.480 heart, but I see this a lot. You see this with pastors. You see this, uh, with anyone with a

00:20:55.300 platform. They know that the majority of people listen to things lazily. You're listening to

00:20:59.600 things for entertainment. You're listening to things because maybe they're subversive or they're

00:21:03.940 transgressive and you think, Oh, this is so different than I've ever heard before. So it

00:21:08.160 must be true. And I get that. I mean, post COVID, I think a lot of people are more open to alternate

00:21:13.940 theories of history and politics. And I think some of that is good. We shouldn't just assume

00:21:18.640 that all of our formal authorities and institutions have this monopoly on truth. I don't think it's

00:21:24.200 wrong to question the popular rendering of a historical event or certainly a news headline

00:21:30.780 or something that's going on like COVID. I think that's fine, but like we do have to think we also

00:21:36.600 just can't take his word for it. Also don't take my word for it. You should read for yourself. A

00:21:41.020 lot of the different sources as objectively as you possibly can ask the questions. Does this make

00:21:46.580 sense? Does this align with what I see in here? We do have the hard work of very smart men throughout

00:21:55.980 history who have recorded these events and who have collected eyewitness accounts like the 0.99

00:22:01.580 Armenian genocide, the fall of Constantinople, the enslavery of Christians throughout Muslim

00:22:08.580 history. Those aren't just theories. Those aren't things that are made up. It doesn't surprise me at

00:22:13.480 all that you have people on, you know, what are typically called the woke right, which took me a

00:22:17.520 long time to come around to that. And the left kind of in a horseshoe, trying to make it seem

00:22:23.720 like Islam is okay. It's just how things go. The crazier things get, the more of those crazies who 1.00

00:22:31.080 used to be on polar opposite sides of things, the more they look more similar. I think it's also

00:22:37.240 worth noting who this guest is. Who is J.D. Hall? Is he a historian like Raymond Ibrahim and some of

00:22:42.480 the other people that have written about the relationship between Islam and Christianity?

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00:24:34.060 so jd hall used to write for or created the website pulpit and pen which later became protestia

00:24:46.780 and we i i very rarely unless it is absolutely necessary have used protestia as a source um

00:24:56.860 because it's such a mixed bag sometimes there will be something that's like oh that is actually

00:25:01.880 interesting reporting that I haven't ever seen someone collect. And then other, other times it's

00:25:07.180 just a gossip rag and it's not fact-checked and it is just completely maligning of someone simply,

00:25:13.520 I don't even know why I couldn't even tell you why. And so they're just not reliable. They're

00:25:19.180 not reliable. Same with pulpit and pen. He served for many years as lead pastor of fellowship

00:25:24.460 Baptist Church in Sydney, Montana, but he has stepped down. In 2022, Hall was charged with

00:25:32.400 the DUI while carrying a weapon. Subsequent reports indicate his impairment was linked not

00:25:37.220 to alcohol, but to Xanax abuse. Officers reportedly discovered a concealed handgun during the traffic

00:25:42.840 stop. Then following his DUI, Hall was removed as lead pastor at Fellowship Baptist Church in

00:25:47.660 montana in 2022 amid allegations of drug abuse domestic violence and misuse of church funds

00:25:55.380 he was also removed from leadership roles at protestia which i will give credit to protestia

00:26:02.060 for doing that and and making the uh making the right move there regarding the church funds

00:26:08.460 allegations hall entered a no contest plea in 2024 and agreed to pay restitution as part of a

00:26:14.280 deferred sentencing agreement. The charges were later dismissed after he completed the terms

00:26:19.180 of the agreement. So this is not to say that this person is beyond redemption at all. This is not to

00:26:26.100 say that everything this person says is untrue simply because they have a storied past. But when

00:26:32.180 it comes to these very recent allegations, like the misuse of church funds that he admitted to,

00:26:38.960 or he entered a no contest plea for, I do think it's fair to factor that in to our calculations

00:26:45.080 of this person's integrity and trustworthiness. Tucker Carlson called him a theologian who

00:26:52.340 writes very clearly about issues of theology. Not really sure that that's true. When you look at the

00:27:03.700 James 3.1 qualification for pastors. He doesn't fall into that. And so I think it's fair to

00:27:10.020 question someone's discernment and their biblical integrity if they were not willing to align with

00:27:16.100 what scripture actually says. James 3.1, not many of you should become teachers, my brothers,

00:27:20.540 for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. 1 Timothy 3.2, therefore an

00:27:25.560 overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled,

00:27:29.400 respectable, hospitable, able to teach. And look, this is not to say, wow, he's so much worse than

00:27:35.740 everyone else. Not at all. Satan loves when pastors fall. And so there's a lot of temptation.

00:27:41.260 There's a lot of loneliness and isolation that comes with the pastoral role, but that's also

00:27:46.420 not to just cover up sins and say, oh yeah, that's fine. We should platform this person and he should

00:27:51.780 be our trusted source of theology and Christian history. Both can be true. You're not saying that

00:27:57.100 you judge this person any more than, than you are saying that he is beyond forgiveness or beyond

00:28:02.680 salvation or anything like that. And then also at the same time, use some discernment and say,

00:28:07.400 okay, has his character, has his recent character proven to be one of trustworthiness and integrity

00:28:15.420 where I should listen to him on major matters of theology and major matters of Christian history.

00:28:22.300 I think that's like a pretty easy, easy answer here. Um, so why is this going on? Especially

00:28:30.280 on Tucker Carlson's show, this just seems to happen a lot. You know, I don't know what's going

00:28:35.080 on in his head or his guest head, and I'm not going to guess like what's going on in their

00:28:39.720 hearts, but I will just say like in general, in general, I will tell you what I think about why

00:28:45.660 there are some people on the right that are like, actually, you know, it's not Islam. They're not 0.86

00:28:50.380 that bad. They don't talk about what's going on in Nigeria. They don't talk about what's going on

00:28:54.800 in Uganda. They don't talk about what is going on in almost every single Muslim majority when it 0.98

00:29:00.120 comes to the nightmare of living as a Christian in these places. And I say nightmare not to take 1.00

00:29:06.040 away the hope and the joy that they have in Christ because these Christians persecuted there

00:29:10.200 absolutely have that. But when it comes to the physical torment of seeing your children kidnapped

00:29:15.720 and enslaved and harmed, like that is a nightmare that most of us living here in America by the

00:29:22.520 grace of God have not had to endure. I can't even imagine. I have three episodes at least recently

00:29:29.400 that we've done specifically on the persecution that is happening in these countries at the hands 0.76

00:29:34.920 of these Muslim terrorists, the Christian mothers who have watched their babies beheaded and 0.99

00:29:42.220 kidnapped and sold into slavery. This is not something that just happened in the Ottoman 0.99

00:29:46.140 empire hundreds of years ago. This is something that is happening today at the hands of Muslims 1.00

00:29:51.400 to our brothers and sisters in Christ. So why in the world, if the important thing to you is the 1.00

00:29:58.320 preservation of the church and the preservation of Christian history and Christian artifacts

00:30:02.560 and the preservation of the integrity of Christianity, why in the world would you even

00:30:06.760 ostensibly be linking arms with these powers. You would be calling this out and say, you know,

00:30:12.820 it's really scary that we actually have Muslim politicians here who are talking about the

00:30:16.420 undermining and destruction of the United States. And they're not only Muslim politicians, 1.00

00:30:20.640 it's these far left progressives of all different religious stripes. But you would think that there

00:30:25.600 would be more people on the right warning about that. It's something that the right has been

00:30:28.920 doing for a very long time. This very recent about face, let me tell you what's behind it,

00:30:34.220 is got to do with Israel. Okay. And it has to do with Israel. It has to do with, I believe 0.67

00:30:39.980 people who have Israel derangement syndrome. Okay. And they see Israel in everything. They

00:30:45.820 see the Jews behind everything. I heard Jeremy Boring worded as, um, like the Jews are always

00:30:51.860 waiting in the wings of people's imaginations when they're looking for a scapegoat, when they're

00:30:56.300 looking for someone to blame. And that's like a paraphrasing of something that, um, that Jeremy

00:31:01.080 said, but it really stuck with me waiting in the wings of people's imaginations when people are

00:31:05.840 looking for a scapegoat. That's a pretty incredible way to word it. The reality is, you know, I get

00:31:11.940 messages about this all the time. Israel's doing this. Israel's doing that. They're so terrible. 1.00

00:31:15.820 I have no reason whatsoever to agree with all of Israel's policies or to say rah, rah. Yes,

00:31:23.720 Israel is like the, the current modern day Israel is the center of the impending apocalypse. Like 0.91

00:31:32.520 I'm not a dispensationalist. I don't have the same theological view of Israel as a lot of Baptists 0.79

00:31:38.620 do. I have a much more pragmatic view of why they are a greater ally in the region than other

00:31:45.080 countries there. And I also just have this logical problem with people trying to turn a blind eye to

00:31:52.180 what is happening against Christians at the hands of Islam in order to direct all of our 0.88

00:31:59.520 ire towards the Jews and towards Israel. It's just strange. There is not a single person that 0.51

00:32:06.360 is soft peddling Islam that is not trying to get you to blame Israel and the Jews for all of your 0.96

00:32:13.780 problems and all of America's problems. Okay. This is not an isolated thing. It has to do with saying 0.52

00:32:20.180 basically implying that Christians and Muslims should partner up and we should set our sights 1.00

00:32:26.500 against the Jews that are the real problem, the real source of violence, the real source of 0.99

00:32:31.280 destabilization. And this is not a new thing that's been happening. This is not a new effort. 0.99

00:32:37.240 Like this is the scapegoating of the Jews has happened for a very, very long time throughout

00:32:43.740 history. Okay. There's something spiritual about it. There's something very, very dark going on

00:32:49.800 there. And look, I'm not here to make anyone happy because I believe, as I said earlier in Matthew

00:32:56.100 28, when Jesus calls us to make disciples of all nations, that includes Israel. There are some

00:33:01.540 people, not all, but there are some super pro-Israel Christians who believe that you don't

00:33:07.640 really need to share the gospel with Jewish people, that God has almost like a separate plan

00:33:12.280 for them one day. I'm not one of those people. Okay. I want every Jewish person, every Muslim 1.00

00:33:17.020 person, every agnostic person, every single person of a different belief to bow to Jesus.

00:33:24.240 That's what I want. Through the sharing of the gospel, through the power of the Holy Spirit,

00:33:28.520 I want every single person to become a Christian and to know the power of Christ and to believe

00:33:33.580 in his sacrifice and his resurrection. Okay. So like you can't pin me as some crazy dispensationalist

00:33:39.280 pro-Israel propagandist. I know people like to do that, but you have no foot to stand on because I

00:33:44.600 have never articulated that view whatsoever. I have a pragmatic view. I have a logical view.

00:33:49.620 I have a, huh, what the heck is going on that suddenly parts of the writer acting like Islam 1.00

00:33:55.420 is okay. It's got to do with the dues. That's what's going on. Okay. It's spiritual. It's 1.00

00:34:01.880 strange. I don't even know if I can put words into why exactly all of this is happening right now.

00:34:06.740 I do find it very strange that after this absolutely horrifying attack on Israel,

00:34:12.200 october 7th 2023 that's when people's compassion started to really fade um for the victims

00:34:20.860 of that attack and for like israel's right to defend itself it's just weird i don't know

00:34:28.520 all i can say is that it's not new it is spiritual i don't really know the why i don't

00:34:34.780 really know exactly what's going on but like i see it as a psyop i see it as a psyop and i'm not

00:34:40.440 going to fall for it. It's just strange. All right. We got to switch to a different subject.

00:34:45.540 Another controversial subject. Don't you love when we talk about Israel and IVF all in the same

00:34:51.800 episode? It just, you know, we don't, we don't, we don't talk about the easy stuff very much

00:34:59.040 on relatable. We talk about the stuff that a lot of people don't want to talk about, but I think

00:35:02.520 is really important, has an effect. All of these things, everything we talk about has an effect on

00:35:07.040 the most vulnerable first. And that includes in vitro fertilization and the consequences

00:35:11.280 of that. There's a story that just, um, came out or it's actually been talked about for a while,

00:35:16.540 but the New York times just reported on it. The story of this family who had a mix up with their

00:35:23.180 baby, they were, um, given an embryo. The mother was, uh, transferred or the embryo was transferred

00:35:30.440 to her and planted in her. And the baby very obviously is not theirs because both of the

00:35:36.900 parents are a Caucasian and this sweet little beautiful baby looks to be black. And so now

00:35:43.740 there has been this custody battle over it. So we're going to look into the ethics of this and

00:35:47.180 the potential consequences of going from what is natural to what is possible using technology,

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00:37:33.580 Okay. I just want to make a correction that this beautiful little baby girl that was created using 1.00

00:37:39.240 via IVF or using IVF to the incorrect parents is not a black American. She is, um, she is

00:37:47.220 South, South Asian. So, um, she apparently comes from two Indian parents. Um, so let me tell you

00:37:54.520 this New York times reporting of the story, because it really is so crazy and so scary to

00:37:58.740 think about. In December, 2025, a Florida woman gave birth to a child who is not genetically

00:38:03.780 related to her. Tiffany score and Stephen Mills. They're a white couple. They went through the

00:38:08.200 process of IVF and score carried an embryo to term that was not hers, which became obvious when she

00:38:14.680 gave birth to a beautiful baby in cocoa colored skin. So she was a surrogate for someone else's

00:38:20.440 baby without consenting to that, without realizing that. Genetic testing confirmed that there had

00:38:26.300 been a mix up. It's very, very obvious. We just put up a picture of this family. She doesn't look

00:38:32.560 anything genetically, like any parent in any way. And the mix up comfort or the testing confirmed

00:38:39.320 the baby Shay was a hundred percent South Asian and other couples embryo had been placed into

00:38:43.460 scores womb by mistake. After multiple meetings with both sets of parents, they agreed that

00:38:48.140 scoring mills would be the baby's permanent custodial parents, but the genetic parents

00:38:52.660 who've chosen to remain anonymous would be involved in her life. Just think about this as a mom, 0.92

00:38:58.420 how hard this would be. Not only that you have given birth to, okay, you've carried this little

00:39:04.940 baby in your womb and you have held her and you love her. This also just says so much about the

00:39:11.340 process. This woman is not genetically related to this baby, not her genetic mother, but wants to

00:39:19.320 keep her. It's not like this mother found out, oh, this is not my baby. I don't love her. I don't

00:39:23.480 want her. Clearly she had created a bond with this child just by carrying her, just by gestating her, 0.53

00:39:29.600 just by birthing her, just by loving her. And she felt so intertwined with this baby that she did

00:39:35.480 not want to let her go. Now understand that also is what happens in the surrogacy situation,

00:39:41.160 which is not talked about enough, although it is talked about. It is unnatural because God

00:39:47.400 created our bodies to bond with the baby that we created. That baby that we created is also

00:39:52.800 supposed to be genetically ours. So there should be no like moral or ethical confusion about that.

00:39:58.440 That bond exists for a reason, even when that baby is not genetically related to you.

00:40:03.900 The genetic parents lawyer, Robert Marcero said as painful as this has been, they ultimately felt

00:40:09.920 like this was the best outcome of a horrible situation. There was no good answer. It was

00:40:13.540 just agonizing for everyone involved. And yes, that is absolutely true. I mean, think about this.

00:40:19.200 If you were in this situation and not only you carried the wrong embryo that was not

00:40:24.040 yours, but say another couple had your embryo, had your genetic child, I would be raising

00:40:33.080 both.

00:40:33.880 I would be like, yeah, I don't think that I'm going to give away this child that I have

00:40:38.420 just that I've just bonded to through gestation.

00:40:41.520 And I would also like my genetic child.

00:40:43.540 I could never allow someone unless it was, you know, I understand in adoptive situations, 1.00

00:40:49.300 you make that decision beforehand, but oh my goodness, I couldn't, I could never allow 1.00

00:40:55.480 someone to raise my child.

00:40:58.940 I could never allow that.

00:41:01.320 Um, I could never allow that.

00:41:03.680 I can't, I can't even imagine the pain that she would feel.

00:41:06.620 And I also wouldn't want to give up the baby that I had just been pregnant with.

00:41:10.340 The lawyer added Shay's genetic parents gave up their claim despite wishing to keep her

00:41:14.300 because the law grants greater protections to birth parents, meaning a genetic connection

00:41:20.780 alone does not automatically make you the legal parent, even if the child is biologically

00:41:25.080 yours.

00:41:26.460 Look, that's sticky.

00:41:27.520 On the one hand, I could see a lot of people saying, oh my gosh, that's wrong.

00:41:30.640 Obviously, biology trumps everything else.

00:41:32.660 But then you think about all different kinds of situations in which biology actually doesn't

00:41:37.320 Trump, everything else, adoption, foster care, abusive situations. I'm not saying these genetic

00:41:41.820 parents were abusive at all, but it's not always biology that creates the safest situation for a

00:41:49.720 child in some, you know, extreme scenarios. Um, let's see the courts weigh multiple factors to

00:41:57.940 determine custody of a child score and mills filed a lawsuit in January against IVF life Inc.

00:42:03.620 the parent company of the now closed Orlando fertility clinic and its director.

00:42:07.840 The couple is also looking to track down their own embryos and find out if one of their embryos

00:42:13.040 might have also been implanted in another woman or transferred to another woman is the right

00:42:18.780 wording there, or if they still exist. Oh my goodness. Imagine this. You think that all of

00:42:25.180 your babies are safe on ice and there's really no way of knowing for sure. No way of knowing.

00:42:30.940 Now you guys know for this reason, for so many more reasons that we might touch on in

00:42:35.340 a second, although you've heard me talk about it a lot, I am against the practice of IVF.

00:42:41.020 I think it just places too many risks on the baby intentionally and service of a good desire,

00:42:47.160 which is to be a mom or dad.

00:42:49.260 But you're saying, you know what, despite all of these risks that this child will have

00:42:53.480 to bear, I'm going to make them endure that so that I can possibly become a parent.

00:42:59.600 I think that that is a disordered way to start life.

00:43:04.480 And this is one example of that.

00:43:07.680 But I cannot imagine, I cannot imagine this scenario.

00:43:12.580 So I would just say, if you are going to go through with IVF, if you are going to take

00:43:17.700 these risks that, again, your child will have to suffer from, then you need to ask the clinic,

00:43:24.600 every single person involved, what are your processes to ensuring that something like

00:43:29.040 this never happens. What is your process to ensure that my embryos stay my embryos? Those embryos

00:43:35.540 look the same and they're not going through and testing every single one multiple times because

00:43:39.760 that's dangerous to the embryo to see whose is whose. Shea's genetic parents, so who do not get

00:43:45.660 custody are also suing the clinic and the doctor. In addition to their case, Marcero, that's the

00:43:50.840 lawyer is representing three clients who had mixed up embryos at other clinics. He said clinics do

00:43:55.200 not have to report mixups. Clinics in the United States do not have to report mixups. So what have

00:44:04.920 we said before? We said that America and the West, but really America is a wild, wild West for the

00:44:11.060 fertility industry. It is so unregulated. It's insane. And we actually saw that exact wording

00:44:17.800 that America is the wild, wild West for the fertility industry in that case where the Alabama

00:44:23.140 a Supreme Court held liable that fertility clinic that had, I think, accidentally destroyed the

00:44:29.900 embryos of a couple couples who did not want their embryos destroyed. There is a huge problem. And

00:44:38.580 actually the Trump administration and many Republicans are pushing for it to be even

00:44:42.600 easier for people to be able to use IVF and to toy with these embryos. I don't think that's the

00:44:49.060 intention of Trump or the Republicans, but that will be the consequence. That will be the

00:44:53.900 consequence. There will be more broken situations like this. He said that this lawyer said he's

00:44:59.640 representing 26 families in another big fertility scandal, an Orange County fertility doctor for

00:45:04.220 allegedly moving a couple's embryos to an undisclosed location and refusing to give them

00:45:09.520 back. Okay. Kidnapped. Embryo napped. Um, there are other high profile IVF mixups. According to

00:45:18.420 an NBC review of state and federal records, there were more than 300 lawsuits between 2019 and 2014

00:45:25.120 involving allegations, uh, that reproductive materials, including embryos, eggs, or sperm

00:45:31.320 were lost, destroyed, or mixed up. Um, here's another story. Two couples experienced an embryo

00:45:36.180 mixed up at the California Center for Reproductive Health, resulting in each woman giving birth to

00:45:41.560 the other couple's baby in September of 2019. How incredibly distressing. In 2020, a Utah couple,

00:45:52.740 Donna and Vanner Johnson, discovered through a DNA test that their 12-year-old son, Tim,

00:45:57.280 born in 2008 via IVF, was not biologically related to his father. So what happened there

00:46:04.340 is that it wasn't the wrong embryo that was transferred. It was the wrong sperm that was

00:46:08.980 mixed with the wrong egg. How many times does that happen? I mean, these are just what's

00:46:14.740 reported on. And if these clinics don't have to actually report the mix-ups,

00:46:20.320 then we have no clue. We have no clue. Think about the identity crisis that a child could go through

00:46:27.940 thinking, well, not only when the child thinks that this is really my dad, but the father thinks

00:46:32.120 this is really my dad. And if you think this stuff doesn't matter, we are hardwired to know

00:46:36.220 from where we come, like where our genetics come from, where our different traits come from,

00:46:42.040 whose we are. That matters. It is part of being made in God's image. That is why

00:46:47.940 our God calls himself a father to the fatherless, because this is such a deep, innate need in all

00:46:56.140 of us to know who is our designated protector and provider. Where do I come from? And that is why I

00:47:03.120 say adoption redeems a broken situation. Okay. It is a broken situation. Someone got mad at me the

00:47:08.840 other day on X for saying that, that, Oh, are you saying I come from a broken situation if I was

00:47:13.800 adopted? Well, yes. You also come from a redemptive situation that is really beautiful. And it's so

00:47:18.440 redemptive that it's actually like the allegory that is used to explain the gospel that we Gentiles

00:47:23.700 were adopted by God through Christ. That's an incredible thing, but it starts with the broken

00:47:30.000 situation and adoption. The broken situation is that your mom is bravely. She possibly could

00:47:35.100 had to give you up or had to allow another couple to raise you because of whatever situation 1.00

00:47:41.180 that she was in the ideal situation for every single child is biological, married mom and dad 1.00

00:47:47.780 raising you in the same home. That is the ideal. Now we live in a broken world. And so sin and

00:47:53.520 abuse and brokenness and personal choices break down that ideal and adoption can redeem that.

00:48:00.040 But all of these situations that start at conception, surrogacy, sperm, egg donation,

00:48:05.500 and yes, I would say even IVF, all of those situations are saying we are putting a risk

00:48:11.740 on the child in order to serve our desire to have children. Whenever we go from what is natural to

00:48:19.260 what is possible without asking, but is this biblical? Is this moral? Is this ethical? Is this

00:48:24.240 right? Then we are going to cause all kinds of problems, not only in our own hearts, but in the

00:48:29.780 world. I think about Hagar and all of the disruption for generations that it caused when 0.98

00:48:36.960 Sarah and Abraham didn't fully trust the Lord. And so they used a surrogate to have a child. 0.83

00:48:42.800 Ishmael was born. It didn't go well. No lives, no problems, as we say. But certainly again,

00:48:48.380 And going from what God actually intends to what is possible through technology or going

00:48:53.800 around what is natural, it's always going to cause some kind of chaos and confusion.

00:48:59.160 Now, kids born through IVF are made in the image of God.

00:49:02.480 You are a good mom, a good dad.

00:49:04.040 I know you love your children.

00:49:06.340 There's not a question about that.

00:49:09.780 But I cannot get on board with an industry and with a practice that is rife with so many

00:49:17.420 ethical issues that kids are really sacrificed for. I don't think that any kid's wellbeing should

00:49:23.720 be placed on the altar of adult desire, even a good desire to become a parent. All right. We've

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00:50:43.760 You know, I get angry messages about my stance on IVF all the time. I'm a Christian. I believe

00:50:50.540 that all people are made in God's image and we become people at the moment of conception. We are

00:50:55.500 a unique human at that moment with our own human DNA. And I don't know how to define person other

00:51:01.460 than a unique human being. And once you start defining personhood as anything other than being

00:51:06.500 a unique human being, well, that's when you start to justify all different kinds of things,

00:51:10.580 all kinds of objectification and atrocities because you are arbitrarily deciding which human

00:51:16.660 is a person and which human is not. And then you are basing someone's rights and value based on

00:51:22.100 that arbitrary definition of personhood. I think the morally, ethically, and certainly biblically

00:51:26.560 safest definition of a person is a unique human being. So that means from the moment of conception

00:51:31.660 onward. And so obviously that's why I don't believe in abortion because all babies in or

00:51:38.060 outside of the womb are people and it's wrong to kill an innocent person and should be illegal,

00:51:43.800 but also how we treat embryos through IVF really matters. And I know that there are Christians who

00:51:50.740 have gone through IVF and you have used every embryo. That is absolutely the best possible way. 0.96

00:51:57.200 If there is no pornography used, which is also very, very common in conception, you got to have

00:52:02.300 sperm, you got to have an egg. The guy uses pornography in order to collect the sperm sample

00:52:07.500 and then they fertilize. That's wrong. Like Christians, that's not even a question. Christians

00:52:12.060 shouldn't be doing that. And so if there's no pornography involved, just husband, wife situation 1.00

00:52:17.440 to create that in every single embryo is, is created, not graded for any kind of special

00:52:25.160 needs, any kind of genetic anomaly, not, um, uh, not used eugenically to decide if you want boys

00:52:33.220 or girls. You only create the number of embryos that you are willing to transfer. You transfer

00:52:38.680 every single one of those embryos. That is absolutely the best case scenario, but this is

00:52:44.960 my problem. No one can guarantee that. No one can guarantee that that is what's going to happen

00:52:50.860 because I can't tell you how many sweet Christian well-intentioned women have reached out to me and 0.99

00:52:55.920 said, I intended to use all of my embryos to transfer all of my embryos, but I found that

00:53:01.540 I can't have any more kids or I have health problems, or I thought that we were only creating

00:53:06.340 four. Well, they actually created seven. And I just got a message from someone. This was not

00:53:11.540 a sweet Christian woman. This was a very angry woman and saying, you're trying to tell me I 0.97

00:53:15.200 should have seven children because I created seven embryos. Yeah. Yeah, I am. Those are,

00:53:20.780 those are people. And she said, Oh, well, we donated the rest to science. You donated your

00:53:24.980 children to science. Of course. I don't think that's okay. Of course. I don't think that's

00:53:28.660 okay. Those are people, those are children. They might not look the same, but since when are we

00:53:33.720 judging someone's personhood and value and rights on how they look like, are we really trying to

00:53:38.800 make the argument? If someone looks different than us, then they don't have rights. I seem to

00:53:44.080 remember throughout history, that justification for giving and taking away human rights, not

00:53:49.440 really working out very well. And so I'm just not willing to go down that road. And because it

00:53:56.340 carries so much inherent risk for the baby, because there's no guarantee that you are going

00:54:02.780 to be able to have that most ethical outcome. I don't believe Christians should ever start taking 1.00

00:54:08.880 the risk, especially when there's so many babies who exist who need homes. It is a good desire to 1.00

00:54:16.280 have children. I think it's a very natural desire to have your own genetic children, but desires,

00:54:21.660 even good desires, don't justify every means by which we carry out that desire.

00:54:28.140 And so people are very angry about this. I had a woman who, some kind of influencer,

00:54:33.020 liberal influencer, who clipped me basically saying that the same thing a couple weeks ago, 0.98

00:54:38.160 because we talk about this quite often. And just basically making the argument that I did,

00:54:43.660 there was nothing in the clip that I was like, oh yeah, I could see how that sounded a little harsh.

00:54:47.240 it's just my perspective as a Christian. She called me a radical Christian nationalist that

00:54:52.380 I, people like me are controlling Donald Trump and controlling the government. Wow. I guess the

00:55:00.340 fact that Donald Trump is the exact opposite stance as me on IVF is just further proof of my

00:55:07.260 power. The fact that I have like no influence over this administration whatsoever, nor have I ever

00:55:13.060 tried, nor do I want to, nor is that like a role that I'm trying to occupy. I guess that's just

00:55:18.000 some kind of secret signal that people like me are controlling the administration.

00:55:24.000 Look, I have a view. I have a perspective. I am a Christian. Progressives seem to not be able to

00:55:30.820 see that not everyone is like them. Not everyone is constantly thinking about how to use every

00:55:41.480 single bit of government power in order to get people to conform to our beliefs. Now, I do believe

00:55:48.400 in the protection of embryos. I do. I do. Of course, in order to be consistent about abortion,

00:55:54.700 I do believe that there should be protections for embryos. And I do believe that it is wrong 0.96

00:56:00.560 how we have completely unregulated and dysregulated IVF and fertility practices in the United States,

00:56:07.480 especially when it comes to surrogacy and how we're defining parenthood i mean children are

00:56:14.780 always the unconsenting subjects of progressive social experiments that's just the case and i i

00:56:21.040 see a lot of christian leaders i get it they're scared to talk about this and it just goes to

00:56:25.240 show for me that we really aren't like we're just very as christians we're not very justice minded

00:56:31.280 like we might talk about justice when it comes up in i don't know the summer of george floyd in

00:56:37.140 2020, but I don't think most Christians even really think about what justice means and like

00:56:41.440 advocating for the most vulnerable. They might think about abortion, but most Christians, um,

00:56:46.700 are confused and very wishy-washy on abortion, especially those that speak up the most about 0.99

00:56:52.220 things like social justice typically. Um, but most Christians really are not thinking in terms of 0.96

00:56:59.580 like, what am I called to speak up about on behalf of these vulnerable children that have

00:57:04.880 no political capital. They are thinking, I do not want to offend. This is the one that I'm not

00:57:09.980 going to say that because there are too many people in my congregation who would be sad about

00:57:14.520 that, who would be offended by that. Um, but speaking the truth and love on behalf of vulnerable

00:57:19.460 children, I believe it's always, always worth it. Jeremiah one five, before I formed you in the womb,

00:57:25.080 I knew you. And before you were born, I consecrated you. I appointed you a prophet to the nation,

00:57:30.700 speaking to the prophet Jeremiah, before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. And before you were

00:57:36.280 born, I consecrated you. God sees and knows and forms life inside the womb. Psalm 139, 13 through

00:57:42.600 16, for you formed my inward parts. You knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you.

00:57:47.060 I'm fearfully and wonderfully made. And this is one of my favorite parts. My frame was not hidden

00:57:52.040 from you when I was being made in secret. Your eyes saw my unformed substance, my unformed

00:57:58.360 substance. I think about an embryo. I think about a zygote. I think about a baby in those earliest,

00:58:05.320 earliest moments when most people, they look at that and they're like, well, that can't be human

00:58:08.980 because it doesn't look enough like me because it's not a toddler or it's not an adult. God sees

00:58:14.520 the unformed substance. He is knitting that together. He is creating it far be it from us to

00:58:19.980 do anything to purposely risk that little baby's life or to denigrate his or her value. Psalm 127,

00:58:27.600 seven, three, behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb, a reward,

00:58:33.120 not a right, not an ends justify the means right that we are entitled to, but a gracious gift

00:58:40.340 that we are called to receive and steward for God's glory. All right. We got some voicemails

00:58:47.540 to get to. So let me go ahead. I'll do our last sponsor and then we'll get into our voicemails.

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01:00:01.220 code Allie. All right, now we're going to get to voicemails. I'm not sure if we'll have time for

01:00:13.900 one or two. Let's go ahead and play voicemail one. Hey, Allie, this is Riley. I was wondering

01:00:22.060 if you've ever talked about pregnancy loss

01:00:23.880 on your podcast. Praise the Lord

01:00:25.940 we are 10 weeks so long with our fourth baby

01:00:28.020 but the last two we sadly lost

01:00:30.220 before they could be born, one of which

01:00:32.220 is during the topic of pregnancy.

01:00:34.100 And I was just wondering if you could share

01:00:35.780 encouragement and joy and hope from the

01:00:37.940 scriptures, from your life, from others' lives

01:00:40.160 just to bring 0.99

01:00:41.380 joy out of brokenness for moms who

01:00:43.920 might be scared or grieving.

01:00:46.240 Thanks so much. Love your show. Bye.

01:00:47.900 yeah well thank you so much for your question and i'm so sorry um i just want you to know that

01:00:56.720 those babies mattered and they were made in god's image and that it might seem like everyone around

01:01:03.280 you like they forget or that they um move on and you never will you'll never forget those babies and

01:01:11.840 And you have a part of them forever.

01:01:15.120 I believe just in pregnancy through how our bodies interact with those new cells that

01:01:21.200 are created and those new babies that are created.

01:01:23.840 Science shows that that stays in our mind and our bodies forever, but also just in your

01:01:28.660 heart and you will get to see them again one day.

01:01:30.920 I believe that.

01:01:32.180 I'm grateful for that.

01:01:33.140 That is like the hope of glory and the hope of heaven.

01:01:35.640 Not only that we get to be with Jesus forever and ever, and there will be no more miscarriage

01:01:40.220 anymore, but also that we will be reunited with those that we love, those that have gone before

01:01:44.780 us who were younger than us and never got to take their first breath. And those who went before us,

01:01:49.800 our grandparents, our great grandparents, parents that we miss so much, like that is the hope of

01:01:56.320 the resurrection and the hope of the cross that like, you will get to see those babies one day.

01:02:02.920 And I understand for a lot of women, like there is fear around getting pregnant again,

01:02:08.260 because of those losses. And I think that's completely understandable. And yet Philippians 0.69

01:02:14.780 four, six tells us something that to me just is like so radical. And that is, do not be anxious

01:02:20.080 about anything. Do not be anxious about anything. It's like, how is that even possible? But in

01:02:26.660 everything with prayer and petition with Thanksgiving, present your requests to God

01:02:32.020 and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your

01:02:35.200 minds in Christ Jesus. Wow. That is such a great promise. So it's not just that we are called to

01:02:41.160 not be anxious and to just sit there and just, okay, okay. I'm not going to be anxious. I'm not

01:02:45.580 going to be anxious, but to exchange it for something else, do something active with that

01:02:50.000 anxiety, lay it before the Lord. And instead pray, petition him, Lord, I need this Lord. I need you

01:02:57.840 Lord protect this next baby, protect me, protect our family, protect our marriage.

01:03:02.940 and thank you so much for all that you have done for us.

01:03:06.360 Thank you for the cross.

01:03:07.140 Thank you for the gospel.

01:03:08.400 And then somehow God, through this exchange,

01:03:12.460 when we lay down our anxiety at the altar

01:03:14.660 and instead pray before him,

01:03:16.680 he says, okay, in exchange for that, I give you peace.

01:03:19.600 Not peace that says, oh, okay,

01:03:21.680 there's never gonna be another miscarriage

01:03:23.300 or loss or tragedy again.

01:03:24.940 Not a peace that says, okay,

01:03:26.760 I can completely trust my doctors and science

01:03:29.520 that everything is gonna turn out.

01:03:30.660 a peace that surpasses, transcends our understanding, logical reasoning, rationality.

01:03:36.600 It fills us by the Holy Spirit.

01:03:39.360 And so that's just what I encourage, not just you, but all moms out there.

01:03:43.140 And not only those who have endured miscarriage, because all of us have to deal with the potential

01:03:48.520 for anxiety inducing events, um, in our life.

01:03:51.600 And God tells us something really crazy, which is don't be anxious about anything.

01:03:56.400 So I'm so sorry for your loss.

01:03:57.940 say, just pray that the Lord would bless you with more and more gifts of children. Um, and that you

01:04:04.640 would steward your desire for children in any way that he presents to you, even if that's through

01:04:09.160 volunteering through ministry at your church, and you have a lot of love to give. And the Lord wants

01:04:14.660 to use that to glorify him and to better the lives of the other people that are around you.

01:04:21.020 All right. That's all we've got time for today. Thank you guys so much for listening. We will be

01:04:26.040 back here on Wednesday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - June 29, 2026

Ep 1366 ｜ Why is Tucker’s Show Whitewashing Islam？

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