Ep 1367 ｜ Famous WitchToker Follows Jesus — and Faces Major BacklashÂ
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A super famous tarot card reader on Witch Talk has now become a Christian. She s lost thousands of followers and faces immense backlash. We ve got all the details on that and her incredible testimony today. Also, the Daughters of the American Revolution are no longer just the daughters now they are accepting men who identify as women. And we will go through the timeline of just how this happened and see if this could actually change in a few months.
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A super famous tarot card reader on Witch Talk has now become a Christian.
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She's lost thousands of followers and faces immense backlash.
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We've got all the details on that and her incredible testimony today.
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Also, the daughters of the American Revolution are no longer just the daughters.
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Now they are accepting men who identify as women.
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And we will go through the timeline of just how this happened and see if this could actually
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We've got all of that, plus some lifestyle pitter-patter on today's episode of Relatable.
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All right, this is our last episode before the 4th of July.
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Every 4th of July is special for me, someone who was born loving America.
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I still cry, have always cried singing the Star Spangled Banner.
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Unless it's Fergie, that did not make me cry in the I love my country sense, but what is happening sense.
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And if you have no idea what I'm talking about and you just need a good little laugh, a good little reprieve from the stress of the day,
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then you should go look up that rendition of the Star Spangled Banner. But most renditions
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I am so impressed by and just to love and the lyrics to that song remind me
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what an immense blessing it is to be born in the United States. This year though is special. It's
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not just about fireworks and parades and hot dogs and all of that good stuff, which I just
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love. I love every single bit of that, but it is the 250th birthday of our wonderful Republic that
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we have been so blessed by the Lord to get to live in. And I know a lot of people, Barack Obama,
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for example, he put out some kind of tweet talking about the complexities and the layers and the
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nuances of celebrating America, knowing that the founders created this incredible nation,
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but also they were slaveholders. Let me just, let me just offer something to you. Let me just
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pitch something for you that this is actually not the time for nuance. Like this is actually
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not the time to wallow in complexity and to think about all of the horrible things and
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atrocities that were committed by the founding fathers, okay, or that you believe were committed
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We all know that everyone is made in the image of God, and human beings should not be owned,
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This is the time to say, thank you, Lord, out of all of the places that I could have
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been born. And of all of the families that I could have been born to, you allowed me, by your grace,
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nothing that I could have merited to be born here. With all of this freedom and all of this
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opportunity, with all of this liberty to get to share the gospel, to get to worship freely,
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to get to go to church every Sunday without fear that the government is going to try to imprison
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me or torture me or kill me, as is true for so many Christians around the world. And that freedom
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that we have been given here in America is not just so we can say, oh, this is great. I'm so
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lucky. It is to use it. We use that freedom. We use these gifts. We use this incredible liberty
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that we have been given that is represented a very small historically reprieve from religious
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persecution for Christians. And we use that to God's glory. We use that for evangelism. We use
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that to help people in other countries. We use that to help people in this country. We use that
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to advance the gospel as much as possible, knowing that God doesn't need a first amendment.
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He doesn't need the constitution. He doesn't need anything to advance his kingdom. He can do it
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however and whenever he wants to, but he chooses to. He chooses to use all kinds of means by which
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he's going to accomplish his will. And here in America, he has allowed freedom to flourish.
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And one of those purposes and one of those fruits has been the going out of the gospel,
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both here in America and abroad. And I think about all the time, especially when I'm talking
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to my kids, my oldest is, she asks all kinds of questions, but she asks questions about people in
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other countries, kids in other countries, what their life is like, what the governments are
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like. She has this map that we look at all of the different nations and what the cultures are like
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and what the people in charge are like, what they allow, what they don't allow. And she's very
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fascinated by these conversations, but it's disconcerting. I think for a child who has been
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raised in the United States with a loving Christian family to realize that there are
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other kinds of upbringings in the world that don't have as many blessings as she has gotten
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to have, that not everyone has a home, not everyone has a neighborhood, not everyone
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has a school, not everyone has the ability to go to Sunday school and sing songs about Jesus.
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And so in talking about these things to her, I have just been renewed in my gratitude.
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Thank you, Lord, for making me an American and allow me to use this gift for your glory,
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for the good of my neighbors who live here and for the good of your kingdom everywhere.
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And we talked about, we talked about a little bit last week and I posted on my Instagram
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on Tuesday morning, that verse in Jeremiah 29, not 29, 11.
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That's the one that everyone knows a great verse.
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I've planned to prosper you and not to harm you, to give you a hope and a future.
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That's a promise that God is giving the Israelites in exile.
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You might not be thinking, wow, the Lord has good plans for me.
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But if you back up to verse 7, he says, pray for the city in which I have placed you, for
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And I'm not trying to say that American Christians today are the same thing as ancient Israel.
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I'm not saying that America is God's chosen nation.
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That's not the argument that I'm making, but I do think that there's a parallel that
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And so just as we are exiles in this world, I believe that like ancient Israel, who is
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in exile in Babylon, we are called to seek the welfare of the city in which God has providentially
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For in its welfare, we will find our welfare, welfare for not just ourselves.
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in our communities, but for the future generations. And so when people, they act so disengaged and
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disenchanted with America and all they want to do is wallow in the moral complexities, look,
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that can render you not smarter, not more compassionate in some cases, but actually
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just ineffective and ungrateful. Every single country in the entire world has a history
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And we can acknowledge that and we can study real history.
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We can learn from those things, but we can also just be grateful and we can just honor
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the Lord for the grace that he has shown us and all of the gifts that have gotten to come
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And I just want to remind you too of our Christian heritage.
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I want to read a couple of verses, not verses, a couple of quotes from the founding fathers
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that just remind us who the founding fathers were.
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I know a lot of people say, oh, they were secular, they were agnostic, they were deist.
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And certainly some of them had theological views that would have been a little foreign
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And Thomas Jefferson was certainly more deistic in believing that there was a far-off God
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who kind of loosely paid attention to and directed the steps of man, but wasn't intimately
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Some of them had weird views about Jesus, but they professed for the most part Christianity
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and they believed in Jesus as the son of God and as the only means of salvation.
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That is why I believe it was nine of the 13 colonies that actually required, if you were
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going to be a political representative, that you had to be a Protestant Christian, not
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just the Catholic, not Greek Orthodox, just saying how it was historically, but actually
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a Protestant Christian and had to confess the name of Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior,
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that is how embedded the gospel and biblical Christianity was with the founding of our
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country. George Washington, in his general order to the Continental Army during the Revolutionary
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War, he wrote all of these wonderful letters. And one of the things he said is, he said,
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to the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more
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distinguished character of Christian. And so he got the loves, the ordering of loves right that
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C.S. Lewis talks about in the four loves. C.S. Lewis talks about the love of one's country,
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the love of one's culture, how that should be a natural love that is good because the natural
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loves, the instinctive loves to love one's own place leads us to the higher loves of
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agape love, of sacrificing for other people, yes, but also leads us to the agape love of God.
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And so here you see that George Washington understood the proper ordering of loves.
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You know, J.D. Vance talked about this at one point and people freaked out. Ordo Amoris,
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the ordering of loves, but that everyone does and everyone should do. And the order in which
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we put our loves is very important. Love of God, love of family, love of country. Countries are
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like families. We should love our country more than other countries. We should put the well-being
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of our fellow citizens and of our country first. That is a way to love our neighbor. And that is
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an ordering that God has naturally put in our hearts. And so when people say, oh, this radical
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Christian nationalism, really what they're talking about is the faith and the view of our founders.
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Like if you want to believe that our founders were radical, that our founders were extreme, that our founders were fascists and tyrants, when the opposite is actually true.
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I mean, they were actually extreme at the time for believing in a republic, for believing in self-governance.
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So if that's what you mean, then, OK, I guess we'll take the label.
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But it's actually progressives, of course, who are extremely extreme and their disdain for America.
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They call it complexity and nuance, but really many times it's ingratitude, their belief about gender, their belief about abortion, their belief about morality and reality and God and what his place is as the authority, as the creator, as the giver of rights.
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progressives in general, reject the faith and the views of our founders. And then they turn around
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and call us who have those associations with our founders, radicals and extremes. So just commit
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this year to not be intimidated by that rhetoric. That rhetoric is simply to tell you and you alone,
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conservative Christian, that you have to check your faith at the door, that you and you alone
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can't bring your faith into the public square. You and you alone can't bring your faith into
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the voting booth. Every single person brings the fullness of their worldview into the voting booth,
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the secular progressive. They want to foist upon you, their belief about when life begins.
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They want to foist upon you, their belief about biology, their belief about, um, self-identification,
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their belief about the definition of marriage. They want to force those beliefs onto children,
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onto other voters, onto the rest of the country. And yet we are not allowed to bring our beliefs
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about the preciousness of life inside the womb into the voting booth without being called some
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kind of tyrant or fascist? No, it's a manipulation tactic. Okay. You Christian, you believe that
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Jesus is King just as the founders did. And you just as the founders did, you understand that
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that is inextricably intertwined with everything you believe politically and culturally. That's
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not the same as trying to bring about a theocracy in which everyone has to worship or believe the
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way that we do. We don't believe that. But if God is the creator and the authority and therefore
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the definer of all things, then of course that is naturally going to affect what we think about
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politics and culture and morality and all of that. Everything is downstream from who you believe
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is in charge. The founders understood that. We understand that. You know, America was created
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for a moral and religious people. It is impossible without that. And so the future of America really
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depends upon a Christian awakening, the belief in the same gospel that many of the founders
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And it's not that we want a revival or we want an awakening just for pragmatic political
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purposes or really anything to do with the United States, but we just know that that
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is a natural outflowing of our love for Jesus, our evangelism, and other people turning to
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God has blessed us tremendously for 250 years. And, you know, there's a lot of people on the
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right now who work with the left in trying to make you think that America is inherently a bad
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country to make you, um, demoralized and discouraged and disengaged from the political
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process to take for granted your freedom to have a say in who represents us in Washington.
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It's not a perfect system, but where else are you going to go?
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Where else do you have the freedom to monetize criticism of the government?
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So don't stop listening to the voices, especially on the right, who want to make you think the
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same leftist progressive narrative that we've been hearing for years, that America is actually
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the main antagonist on the world stage. America has sure done a lot of things that American voters
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have not wanted and have not been good. That's true of every single nation.
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Where else are you going to go? Where else has been as blessed as America has been? So
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just be grateful, celebrate, thank the Lord for the blessing of getting to live here
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and recommit to allowing your faith in Christ and his word to be inextricably intertwined with
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everything else you think, say, and do. That includes in our politics and culture for
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in the welfare of the city that God has providentially placed you in, you will find your
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welfare. In the welfare of the country in which God has providentially placed you, you will also
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find your welfare. Seek justice as God defines justice. Love mercy. Walk humbly with your God.
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Read the book of Isaiah too. I think it's a good roadmap for what the Lord is looking for from his
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people who have previously been rebellious, who are also in exile. The book of Jeremiah, all of
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that gives us a really good look at in principle what the Lord is looking for. All right, let's get
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many wonderful things going on in our beautiful nation, and we have so many things to be grateful
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for. At the same time, at the same time, we can look at those who are diverting from those founding
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principles and who are taking for granted the blessings of liberty and graciousness that the
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Lord has given our country. Okay. This doesn't take away from our gratitude. This is not a nuanced
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look at America on the 4th of July. This is just reality. I will unapologetically be celebrating
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the 4th of July every year, no matter who is present, no matter who's in charge, no matter
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what is going on in our culture wars. And I'm not going to take my eye off the ball because if
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Christians are called to engage in culture and in politics, politics matter because policy matters
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because people matter. Politics affects policy. Policy affects people. People matter to God.
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Therefore, they matter to us. Therefore, politics matter. Then we have to be salt and light in even
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these darkest areas and we have to know what's going on. We don't get down in the muck and the
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mire and get weighed down and sad about everything that is going on all the time, but we got to know.
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we got to know so we can push back and bring light into the darkness. I've watched that happen a lot
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since COVID. And so let us talk about the daughters of the American revolution. Okay.
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Daughters of the American revolution. And if you're wondering, Allie, why are you
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repeating yourself? I heard you the first time. Let me say it again. Daughters of the American
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revolution will not say that they are just an organization for women. Actually, they won't
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define what a woman is. Okay. This is how far we've fallen. This institution that has been around
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for a very long time, this wonderful American institution that has only been for women. Now,
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they won't even say that they're only for women. So this is according to the Federalist in the
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Washington times, the daughters of the American revolution, a genealogical society for women,
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whose relatives helped America gain independence 250 years ago has gone woke on Friday, June 26th,
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a proposed resolution that would have defined woman to mean a woman who was born female and
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restricted membership only to women was struck down by a 1,481 to 984 vote, 984 vote at the
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organization's 135th annual continental Congress. Okay. So the wokesters have now accomplished
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institutional capture in one of our age-old historical institutions here in the United
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States. That's how bad things have gotten in that sense. I think we thought and wanted to think that
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especially after Donald Trump won, that wokeness died. And we've had so, so many wins when it comes
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to reality of male and female and protecting women's spaces in sports. Actually, as I'm
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recording this, the Supreme Court has some decisions that are coming out today, Tuesday,
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that will really determine a lot of the future for that issue and also for birthright citizenship
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and all that. Can't speak to it because as I'm talking, I actually don't know the results of it.
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We've had some major wins in the Supreme Court at high levels of government and state government,
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but woke is not dead. That's not what it does, okay? Unless you eradicate it completely. I'm
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not talking about people. I'm talking about it as an ideology and completely divested of all
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institutional power in all cultural power. It's going to keep coming back like mold.
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That's just how it is. So don't have any delusions that wokeness and progressivism has waned. It
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will come back with a vengeance, especially if they take political power in the midterms and
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then in 2028. So the resolution stated this and praise God for you woman who brought this forth.
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I would not be surprised at all if the person who brought forth this resolution is your relatable
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listener. Reach out to me, please. Um, the word, the word woman or the term woman, this resolution
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stated that got struck down shall be understood to clearly mean a woman who was born female and
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therefore individuals who are born male shall not be eligible for membership. Duh. Transgender women
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shall not be eligible for membership and men who have their birth certificates changed from male
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a female shall not be eligible for membership. Now, one thing I would have changed there,
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which may be this person's being strategic and pragmatic, which respect, but the word
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transgender women, it's confusing. It's not real. Like there's no such thing as that. There are men
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who identify as women. There are men who present themselves as women. There are men who pretend to
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be women. There's no such thing as transgender. There's no such thing as a transgender woman.
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these are men who are trying to infiltrate women's spaces. It was introduced by members
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who formed a resistance group called Daughters Advocating for Restoration, which rose up to
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counter the inclusion of males. The group's leader, Laura McDonald, said in a statement,
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while many men with amended birth certificates, love that, by the way, I'm going to start like
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using that instead of men who identify as women, men with amended birth certificates is still a
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violation of the bylaws. I do believe the will of the assembly was heard today. We don't know
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what the future holds or what God's plan is, but we do know he has a plan and we trust him.
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Nowhere in the bylaws does it explicitly state that a biological man can join as long as he
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identifies as female and provides an amended birth certificate. The inclusion of males stems
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from DAR's leadership's interpretation of the existing bylaws, which require members to be
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women, but does not define the term woman. And so they're refusing to define the term woman,
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which is why it's so important for us Christians to define our terms, because we are supposed to
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be a bastion of courage and clarity. There's a lot of people who want to be confused. So
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they are actually sowing chaos through the confusion. That's what they want to do.
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They might do that in the name of empathy or niceness or whatever it is.
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But there are a lot of people who don't want the confusion, who don't want the chaos,
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who just want to be told what is real, what is true. That's where Christians come in. That's
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where we've come in for 2000 years. That's what Christians have been killed for, for 2000 years
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too. So you've got to be ready to count the cost for that. But that is the role of the Christian
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that, oh, if you're confused, well, then we have to be the bastion and the refuge away from that
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confusion and chaos. And we only do that through truth-filled clarity. That's why the role of
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pastor is so important, so much more important than podcaster, because you've got an authority
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over the flock. And you were reaching those lost people who are seeking refuge from the chaos.
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DAR first allowed an openly transgender member to join in 2022. Now five men living as women
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have reportedly joined DAR chapters. Thousands of women have reportedly resigned from the DAR
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over the inclusion of trans identified men. So if we go back, like I want to look at how
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actually this happened? How did this happen? Um, I am so interested in the moment that
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institutional capture happens that it doesn't just happen once it happens over time, but like
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what was the pivotal moment that people just kind of shut down their thinking and their moral compass
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so the dar was founded in 1890 and this allowed like i said the daughters of those the granddaughters
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great-granddaughters of those who had fought in the american revolution to preserve the history
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and it's really incredible that's just something that americans do i always think about the people
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who took such pains to preserve and translate the Bible, who have taken such pains to preserve
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the history of a person or a country or a historical event, doing that really out of
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the goodness of their hearts and something they feel called to do. This is typically what they
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look like. We've got a picture. They're dressing up as if they are in the colonial times and they
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are celebrating, yes, the American revolution, also their ancestors who fought hard. It's a lot
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of older women, which I think is why this is so strange and so jarring for so many people.
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Like for example, in full screen 12, we've got some daughters of the American revolution here
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with some members of our military. Do these look like the people who want Joe turned Janet to be
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in their bathrooms or be in their meetings? No, probably not. They're probably not the ones
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advocating for so-called trans inclusion, but you could see how these people's voices are easily
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trampled upon by the very aggressive progressive activists. In 2017, activist members first passed
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out flyers promoting the inclusion of so-called transgender persons. This is only two years after
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the Obergefell decision, okay? And so everyone who warned that this is going to be a slippery slope,
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slippery slope is only a fallacy if it doesn't really happen. If it happens, well, it's a
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warning. And when you redefine husband, wife, you are essentially redefining man and woman.
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You're redefining mom and dad. You're saying these roles are gender neutral. These roles
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are replaceable. These roles are interchangeable. For those who say LGB without the T, it's all the
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same math. Love is love is the same thing as trans women are women. They're all circular.
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you're refusing to define what these things actually are. Our marriage is marriage. Those
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are circular mantras that are meant to persuade you emotionally and arrest your thinking. That's
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what good propaganda does. It's all the same math. If a husband can become a wife, then a man can
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become a woman. The same calculations. It's really not difficult at all to see logically how Obergefell
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led to the transgender revolution. So fast forward to 2023. So that was 2017. The Daughters
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of the american revolution announced a bylaw amendment during its continental congress
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it included that chapters cannot discriminate against an eligible applicant based on race
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religion sexual orientation national origin age disability or any other characteristic protected
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by applicable law now how did transgender get in this during the announcement a member asked
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the amendment would allow for biological males who identify as women to join dar which then to
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which then-president general Pamela Edwards Rouse Wright responded with yes
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that one with the proposed change in wording to the bylaw would our chapters
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be able to still vote not to admit into our chapter a person whose birth
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certificate has been altered by their state to indicate they are female even
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though they were born email I'm gonna say it yes if their birth certificate
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says they're a female and and you vote against them based on on by their protected class it's
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discrimination so if you watch the full clip this woman who is trying to answer this question which
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she's an older woman i don't know that she is progressive herself but you can see that there's
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a lot of confusion she actually doesn't know how to answer this question and she has to have a
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younger member come to her and explain what the question is again good job for this woman asking
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the question, who are you? Are you a relatable listener? But I know it took a lot of courage to
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say that. And she really presses the question asker presses like, okay, but can you're saying
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that birth certificates, the birth certificate has to be female. But if it's obvious that this
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person is male, or you know, this person was born male, can you discriminate? Or can you say, no,
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this person can't be a part of our chapter. And this woman ends up saying, saying no.
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um judy lindsey a part of the dar said it appears to me that leadership unilaterally decided to
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allow males and then try to hide it from the membership a 2025 letter from the center of
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american liberty signed by assistant attorney general harmeet dylan whom we've had on the
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show recently revealed that the organization didn't need to admit males to keep its tax
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exempt status that was the excuse that they made oh we have to do this this is what we have to do
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We have to allow males in to make sure that we can still function as a nonprofit.
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Not only does the DAR have a constitutional right to pass such an amendment, so pass an
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amendment that would protect this being a female-only organization, but doing so would
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ensure the organization stays true to its roots as a genealogical, so biology matters,
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We encourage the board to allow the proposed amendment to proceed.
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But even after D.A.R. leadership received the letter back in January of twenty five, the D.A.R. National Board of Management rejected a proposal to bar males from joining.
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Then the Dodgers advocating for restoration drafted a new proposal to accommodate for boards concerns, which brings us to this year's assembly where the amendment was struck down.
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The battle will actually continue in October because ninety six chapters in thirty three states have formally requested a special meeting to vote on and discuss the issue.
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The president general is now required by the DAR bylaws to call a special meeting for October 11th,
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2026. Okay. So one day after share the arrows this fall, maybe all of you members of the DAR,
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I don't know where this special meeting is happening, but all of you who are fighting
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for the recognition of women to have our own spaces, the acknowledgement of biology
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in an organization that supposedly cares about your DNA, genealogy, hello. Maybe you should come
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to share the arrows. Maybe we'll have a special discount for members of the DAR who are fighting
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for truth because you will feel rallied. You know what? Maybe I'm going to, I have an idea. I can't
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even say what the idea is. I can't even say what the idea is, but I have an idea. We're going to,
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we're going to share your arrows. We're going to have your back. If you are a member of the DAR
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fighting for truth, we are going to have your back at share the arrows. So good for all of you
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who are speaking what is good, right, and true. Even if you lose, it matters. It advances the
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kingdom and you are doing everything you can to protect your daughters and your granddaughter's
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right to sex exclusive spaces. And you were refusing to say two plus two equals five. And
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that matters. That matters. Everything matters in the life of a believer. This also matters in the
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future of our country. Genesis 127, very, very clear. The definition of gender is just like the
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definition of marriage as we've used this alliteration many times over the years. It's
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rooted in creation. Genesis 127, reiterated throughout scripture, honor your father and
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mother, repeated by Jesus himself, Matthew 19, four through five. The definition of marriage
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is gendered between one male, one female. And that's in Ephesians five, that is representative.
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It's another art of Christ and the church, which is reflective of the gospel. The Bible starts with
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the marriage and ends with a marriage. And that marriage is between one man and one woman and is
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meant to reflect the heavenly marriage between Christ and his bride. That's how much gender
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matters. That's how much biology matters. That's how much marriage matters. That's why when we get
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the gender things wrong, when we get the marriage things wrong, people end up forsaking other
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doctrines and ultimately very often end up forsaking the gospel altogether. Because if you
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can't get Genesis 1 right, then that's not even controversial. We can see that under a microscope.
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What someone's sex is, what someone's DNA is, we can analyze that scientifically. What's much more
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controversial is John 14, 6, that Jesus is the only way, only truth, only life, that no one
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come to the father except through him. So if you're going to forsake the obvious thing,
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of course, you're going to forsake the much more controversial truth, which is the gospel.
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Speaking of the gospel, we have a very popular TikTok influencer who has now turned to Christ,
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and she is already counting the cost of that. She is a very famous or was a tarot card reader.
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So very into being a so-called psychic or a medium and communicating with the dead and
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gained a huge following on TikTok based on this.
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so this former tarot card reader she was known as alex reads tarot she recently announced that
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she has become a christian here she is that too i know that some people may find this decision
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surprising and some people may wonder how i can be saying this after spending years of doing the
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work that I've done, doing it professionally, but all I can do is be honest. I am not going
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to be offering any more readings or sessions. I'm not going to be creating any more tarot content
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and once this account is gone, I will not be returning. And I don't know exactly what comes
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next for me, but what I do know is that Jesus Christ has saved my life and I can no longer
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ignore that reality okay so this video that she posts on tiktok is about 10 minutes long where
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she's just explaining her testimony and this about face to her audience she was a pillar of
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what's called witch talk she had nearly 1 million followers she deleted all of her tarot related
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content said she would no longer create social media videos she explained that her change of
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heart wasn't something that was sudden but it happened gradually over the past year as her
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faith in Jesus grew. As her beliefs deepened, she found herself wrestling with questions she
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could no longer ignore. And this is so important. We've talked about this before. Someone who
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professes to be a Christian is a new believer, but you still see them doing things that Christians
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should not do. You still see them thinking and saying things, following people that Christians
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should not think, say, follow, whatever. That doesn't necessarily mean that person is not a
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Christian. We can't judge them according to the faith of someone who has been a Christian for 10,
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20, 30 years. They could just be a new Christian and they are being sanctified. And that doesn't
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mean we shouldn't speak the truth and love to them, but it also doesn't mean that we should
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just discount them as not a real Christian. Now, the people who have been Christians for a period
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of time are using their platform to say things like all homosexuality was added to the Bible
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until 1946, trying to lead people astray about things that just aren't true biblically. I don't
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have patience for those people, not that the Lord can't redeem them, save them, and all of that.
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But those who are new Christians, who maybe she continued to put tarot reading videos
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out after she became a Christian, but was still learning, we have a lot of compassion
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I talk about how when I first became a Christian, I read everyone.
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I thought that every author who professed to be a Christian, from Rob Bell and Stephen
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Furtick and Joel Osteen, and also at the same time, John Piper and C.S. Lewis and John MacArthur,
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I thought that they were all on the same level, that they were just bringing different things
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to the table, but that they were all equally valid and true. That's what I believed when I
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was beginning my faith. That wasn't true, but I was a Christian. I was hungry, and I was just
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trying to consume as much information as possible. I probably said and thought and believed things,
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you know, at the time that weren't actually true, but thank the Lord for His grace, for His
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sanctification, for His faithfulness and persistence in bringing us into the truth.
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What brought me into the truth? Yes, of course, Holy Spirit, discernment, friends, community,
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all of that, college Bible studies, but also just the word of God, getting more into reading
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scripture, studying scripture for myself and asking myself, what does this really mean?
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Letting scripture, interpreting scripture, interpret scripture and all of that. And so
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we have to pray for her. We have to pray for her and also pray for everyone who professes to be a
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Christian, but doesn't seem to be living in a way that is matching up to that. And I just thank the
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Lord that there were people in her life who spoke the truth and love to her and for the Holy Spirit's
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work in her life. She also says something I think is really profound, that she is inspired by Christ's
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suffering. I don't hear a lot of Christians talking like this. Sometimes we can hear a story
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so many times a year, so often in our lives, that we actually forget the depth and the reality of
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that. They tore his clothes, his flesh was stripped from his body, his organs were hanging out his
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entrails he had a crown of thorns that pierced into his brain no i don't mind i don't mind when
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the world hates me i don't mind when people mock me i don't mind when people tell lies
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nothing compares to the sacrifice that jesus made nothing will ever compare
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So it looks like she's got a new account there, Alex Courage in Christ.
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I'm sure she's overwhelmed by all kinds of messages right now.
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We're talking about the story, but I love talking to people about their testimonies.
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She lost over 40,000 followers when she announced that she was becoming a Christian and that
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she'd be changing her content just to tell you how central she was to this world. There's a song
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by Hayley Williams. She's a popular pop star called love me different. And she actually
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references this creator endless scrolling up till three. Alex reads tarot reads the S out of me.
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Okay. So this was someone who was super popular. Um, Williams changed the lyrics in her recent show
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in response to this, Alex reads tarot. Oh, my G-O-D-R-I-P. Okay. So Haley Williams, I guess,
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is part of Paramore. I forgot about that. I was never a Paramore person. Comments from the thread
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on the subreddit on Reddit, tarot readers of Reddit said, I'm all for people exploring their
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own spirituality, but I felt so disappointed when she said Jesus Christ saved my life or whatever
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she said basic christianity uh she used to seem so open about everything she could have at least
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left her videos up since they seem to genuinely help people but of course not and someone like
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this who is not a christian on reddit like clearly just like doesn't understand is that
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light can't have fellowship with darkness and eventually the light crowds out the darkness
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you can't practice witchcraft and promote witchcraft and also be walking with christ
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a sudden pivot to christianity another redditor says is never a good sign of my experience my
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sister-in-law is a born-again Christian and nonstop talks about Jesus. Shout out, sister-in-law.
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It all came from a mental breakdown she had a few years back and hasn't been the same since. Yeah.
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Sometimes the Lord saves us when we hit our lowest and we realize nothing else is working.
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And the Lord is like, I'm here. I've always been here. Something seems off with Alex. I hope she's
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okay. People always say this. People always say this. What do we see in the early church? They
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thought the people in the early church were drunk because of what they were saying through the Holy
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Spirit. Um, people always think that there's something off with Christians because they have
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a faith that can't in something that can't be seen and it can't be understood. First Corinthians one
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explains all of this, that what seems like foolishness to the world is wisdom in the eyes
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of the Lord. And the Lord purposely uses what seems like foolishness to the world to show his
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wisdom. Um, another editor says my thing is that tarot comes from Christianity. Nope. Nope. It has
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evolved over a long time to fit many religious beliefs. If she simply does not feel connected to
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God the divine and doesn't feel as though tarot is her calling anymore, she's allowed to. I feel
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like influencers always make a video explaining a dramatic shift in content and that's all she was
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doing. It's okay that people don't understand it. There are a lot harsher posts too and a lot
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harsher comments that I won't read. There were also a lot of supportive comments on TikTok. I
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mean, her video had like 17,000 comments on it. And a lot of people were saying, yeah, I used to
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practice witchcraft and the Lord saved me. Welcome all of these very beautiful things. So please pray
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for Alex, share her errors. Even if we never get to talk to her on this show, that's okay. Pray for
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her. Um, if you can find a way to send encouraging words to her, the most important thing for any new
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Christian, including for Alex, join a Bible preaching Bible, believing unapologetic, uh,
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local church, get involved in Bible study, get involved in your church, get involved in,
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you know, serving in the welcome team, something that you can do to use your presence and to use
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your gifts, to be able to help other people and serve other people. Um, what I always like
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caution against that I am not dictating the Lord's path for someone. And so I don't know exactly what
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it's going to look like for the Lord to use her testimony in a way of redemption, which I think
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is beautiful and wonderful. The Lord does that all the time, but I do get a little bit worried
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about a quick change in content and becoming a different kind of content creator right away.
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Again, I can't say that that's wrong in every single situation. I'm not judging someone's heart
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who does that. I think it brings with it all different kinds of layers of confusion and
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complication when you are early on in your faith. I do think that there is something beautiful
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about taking a beat and taking a break. I thought the same thing about Kanye West at the time,
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even though there were some really good things, gospel music that came out of his
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seeming conversion at the time. I also think that there is just a lot of sanctification that happens
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in solitude, not actual solitude, not like isolation away from the local body, but away
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from all of the demands of social media, because the demands themselves don't change.
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And I do think can just muddy the waters a little bit when you are first stepping out
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in faith. And so there's nothing wrong with taking a step back and just saying, look,
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I've counted the cost. I'm willing to give it all up and not just change the moniker,
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not just change the audience, but truly like take a step back for a period of time and just
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be with the Lord about things. Again, it's not, you know, it's not my rules. I'm not saying that
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comes necessarily as a dictate from scripture, but I've just seen that a lot. And I think there
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is wisdom in taking a step back altogether. Pray for Alex, pray that the Holy Spirit would fill
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her with a piece that passes all understanding would give her the strength that's needed.
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Sounds like she truly did count the cost and said, okay, I'm making money off of this. That's
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so hard. The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. People who are making money from
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okay we're going to do two lifestyle pitter patters today is it lifestyles pitter patter
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is it lifestyle pitter's patter we'll go with that we'll go with lifestyle pitter's patter
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we're going to do two things today one are just it's just like my own thoughts about things that
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is like so kind of superficial and silly, but I might tie into something deeper. And the other
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one is you could call it not even just lifestyle pitter patter. It's like actual cultural critique
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of something crazy happened, but also super relatable by the second lady of the United
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States, Usha Vance. So let me tell you what happened and her just kind of master trolling
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on X. That was just great. So the New York Times published an article titled Usha Vance and the
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power of the pregnant image about how the pregnancies of Usha Vance, Caroline Leavitt
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and Katie Miller, Katie Miller, Stephen Miller's wife have become a powerful part of the Trump
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administration's public image. Vanessa Friedman, the author claims these pregnancies symbolically
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reinforce the administration's emphasis on the pronatalist movement, pushing family motherhood
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and higher birth rates. If that is the case, amazing job. Like that's brilliant marketing.
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Okay. That's like as real as it gets. But actually the truth is, is that the Trump administration
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and MAGA in general is young. Like it is a younger movement. I'm not saying all of the
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youth is MAGA. Obviously the youth is still predominantly Gen Z, but you got a lot of young
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people. I love it. Like these are people my age. I think all of those people might be a little bit
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older, except for Caroline. She might be a couple of years younger than me. But we're all kind of
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like the same generation in the same stage of life, having kids, that's cool. Not that I'm
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someone who needs representation. I just want the best people to be in charge, but it's fun. Like I
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was actually talking to my family about interviewing JD Vance the other day. And one of the things I
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find relatable about him is that he's got like, and I say this in the most respectful way possible,
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but he's got like the tired dad thing going on. I know that he's tired, you know, just from all
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the responsibilities of being the vice president of the United States. And by the way, like
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very energetic too, but also like, there's just something about having little kids that in the
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best way possible can run you ragged in addition to all of the, you know, other obligations that
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he has and that he just has that unmistakable mark about him that he's got little kids running
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around all of the time. And there's something charming about that. There's something very
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relatable about that, refreshing, rejuvenating. You want people who have a stake in the future
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of the country. And that, by the way, isn't just true of parents of young kids. That's true of
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grandparents, parents of older kids and things like that. But you just, you can see it tangibly.
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And when all of the chaos is happening and you're looking in the eyes of your little kid and you
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are thinking, what kind of country do I want you to inherit? I want the people making decisions
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to be able to at least understand what that is like. So anyway, I like it. The New York Times,
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maybe not so much. If the bare chested, she says, bare chested, muscled mixed martial arts
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fighters at the UFC match that President Trump posted on Flag Day were the poster guys for the
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magus image of masculinity, which I'm not sure that's true, then the pregnant women of Trump
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world are one half of their feminine counterparts. They offer an image of idealized womanhood that
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gives literal shape to the pro natalist movement. All right. I think we're thinking a little too
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deeply about this, but okay. So what this author emphasizes is that the women of the Trump
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administration are not hiding their pregnancies. She claims that there were, um, you know,
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mothers of the past, like Jackie Kennedy or Sherry Blair, um, that they wore looser fitting things.
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And actually we'll put up some of the pictures. She puts up Jackie Kennedy, what she was wearing.
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she was wearing like an oversized coat. It looks like in winter. And then the British Prime
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Minister, Tony Blair and his pregnant wife, Sherry in 2000, apparently that's what pregnancy used to
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look like. And then she contrasts that with some other pictures that we'll put up of, for example,
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Usha Vance. She's wearing a tighter dress, very modest and beautiful, but obviously shows off
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her belly bump the same way with Katie Miller and the same way with Caroline Levitt. All of them
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are wearing tighter fitting dresses. Now she tries really hard to go deeply into this to say that
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this has to do with promoting fertility rates, which may be so, but this is also a change in
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style. She is trying to contrast style in the 1960s in 2000 to today. And by the way, objectively,
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Usha Vance looks better than Sherry Blair did. That just wasn't a flattering outfit at all.
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I think a lot of women have found that actually accentuating the bump or being able to show that
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is more flattering than wearing things, especially when you get bigger that look like a tent. I
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really don't think it's all that deep, but I actually love the secondary effect of them
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promoting pregnancy, that it's not something to be embarrassed about. It's not something to be
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ashamed of. Some older generations still kind of think that it's not something to hide. Um,
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and it's not something that holds you back. So the author says, forget the maternity moo moo,
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forget body con. This is baby con in case you missed it. The hand serves to focus the eye.
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And so because Usha Vance has kind of cradled her stomach, her womb, apparently that is
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supposed to, she's showing off her baby bump.
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She talks to feminist author, Helen Lewis.
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It's really noticeable that the MAGA women are not hiding their pregnancy.
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There is pride in being pregnant and being fertile.
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They're modeling the idea, she said, that one of the ways women can hold power is by
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being mothers and leaning into the imagery of that.
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OK, it's just too much. You're thinking too hard. It's really not that deep. Now, Usha Vance,
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the second lady, she responded on Axe. Now that we know the political significance of my $8.75
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coral maternity dress from Old Navy, can't wait to hear what the New York Times has to say about
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my elastic waistband pants and compressed socks. In the meantime, enjoy my pregnancy fashion or
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lack thereof and a good story with your kids on story time with the second lady. And she posts
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this picture. Um, well you can see, we'll put up the picture of her actually in story time when you
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can see her in this maternity dress, but then she posts a picture of her receipt buying this old
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Navy maternity asymmetrical shoulder maxi dress. And it is not only it started out at 12 49 because
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it was on sale. And then she used a promo code to knock off $3 and 74 cents. So she bought eight,
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an $8 75 cent maternity dress, which looked amazing on her, by the way. Um, she's just
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trying to make the point again. It's not that deep. I bought a dress that was super affordable
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and that I could fit. And that's all it's not some marketing scheme to promote fertility.
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JD Vance. She bought a $50 dress for $8 and 75 cents. America meet your next director of
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the federal budget. That is amazing. So thank you, Usha Vance, for making light of that. And thank
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you to the New York Times for spending all of your time and your resources, your time and treasure
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Okay, let's do a second lifestyle pitter-patter.
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It has nothing to do with the first lifestyle pitter-patter, but I was thinking about this
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Okay, I was thinking about this yesterday, and this is my challenge to you women.
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Not, this really doesn't, this really doesn't relate to the related bros at all, but let
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me challenge you. Okay. When's the last time, this is the most pitter of pattern. When is the last
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time that you've gone to get your hair done or you've gone to get your nails done or something
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and you have just said it's fine and left. And then you're like mad for the next two weeks
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because you don't like it. And you keep on looking in the mirror and you're like, why did I leave
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like this? My hair looks bad. I don't like it. I don't like my haircut. I don't like my hair color.
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I don't like my nails. And you just paid really good money that you have been saving that you
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could have spent on other things. You spent how many hours in the chair getting those things done
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and you leave unhappy because you are too scared to feel awkward. Okay. I actually think that there
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is something deeper here, that there is an exercise to be had in overcoming the awkwardness
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to say something that you need to say. Okay. I have learned, this has taken me a very long time
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to learn and to practice myself. If you are paying for something, if you are spending your
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time to do something, you should nicely, kindly, politely make sure to articulate the problem and
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leave there happy. Okay. Just do it. Even if it takes an extra 15 minutes, even if it's a little
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bit awkward, even if the person is offended, even if the person gets defensive, if you don't like
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those highlights, do not leave that chair until there are the way that you want them. You spent
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way too much money. I won't even say it out loud in case there's a relatable out there that doesn't
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need to know how much your wife just spent on highlights. You just spent way too much money,
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way too much time to leave there sad and to not like how it looks every time you look in the
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mirror. I've done that so many times. Overcome the awkwardness, be kind about it, say you don't like
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it and get it down the correct way. Same thing with your nails. I had to have this conversation
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yesterday in a very sweet, but very pointed way that I needed something fixed on my neck. And you
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know what? Previous me would have just laughed and I would have just been mad about it. The reason
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why I think that's important. One, because we should all be exercising, saying something that
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we need to say, even when it's awkward, because there are much bigger situations in which we'll
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have to do that. And I actually think the little trivial times can give us practice for overcoming
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that awkwardness and just saying the thing that needs to be said truthfully and kindly.
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But also it has the potential. If you don't do that, your heart could be stirred up in resentment
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and in gratitude for the rest of the week, because you're like, why didn't I just say
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something. And every time I look at my nails or look at my hair, I don't like it. Okay. So it's
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actually, I think a sign of maturity and self-assurance to be able to just say, you know
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what, I'm going to steward my money and my time well, and make sure that I'm fully satisfied
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customer when I leave this place. Okay. I told you it's a pitter of patter, the pitterest of
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patterest, but I actually think that it's like kind of important. I think too many people are
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too caught up with being people pleasers. And then you end up just mad that people didn't please you
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and people didn't do what you wanted to do, that's no way to live. I'm so glad that I asked
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the nail tech just to move my nail polish down just a little bit because now I really like my
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nails and before I did it. So now I'm happy. Okay. All right. That's all the lifestyle pitter
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patter. That's everything we have today. We will not be here on Friday because we will be celebrating
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the 4th of July. Who knows what the whole relatable team will be doing. We will be
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celebrating with fireworks and all of that good stuff. And then next week will be different too.
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We might have some in the bank that we'll put out, but next week I'll be a little bit
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Then we'll be back in action the following week.