Ep 1370 ｜ Tyler Robinson Hearing： What You Missed & What’s NextÂ
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What really happened to Charlie Kirk on September 10th, 2025? The preliminary hearing that occurred last week gives us some insight at least into what the prosecution thinks, and some people are not buying it. We will go through the evidence presented as well as the counterclaims on today s episode. Also, Senator Lindsey Graham has suddenly died, and we ve got a short tribute to the courage that he showed, particularly in 2018, during the Brett Kavanaugh hearing.
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What really happened to Charlie Kirk on September 10th, 2025? The preliminary hearing that occurred last week gives us some insight, at least into what the prosecution thinks. Some people are not buying it. We will go through the evidence presented as well as the counterclaims on today's episode.
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Also, Senator Lindsey Graham from South Carolina has suddenly died, and we've got a short tribute
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to the courage that he showed, particularly in 2018 during the Kavanaugh hearing.
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We've got all of that, as well as voicemails on today's episode of Relatable.
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hope everyone had a wonderful weekend we are back after being gone for a week you got to
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listen to some interviews that we had pre-recorded but we took a little break as a relatable team
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and my family as well we've been kind of bopping around the country as a family we have gotten to
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spend time with extended family and friends and it's been really wonderful we tried to escape the
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heat as long as we could we had a wonderful and restful fourth of july and i hope you guys did
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too. I've got some good news after we've been off for a little while. And I just wanted to
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double check this because after I've been gone for a while, you typically have to check back in
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and see if it's still true. And it is that God's eternal plan of redemption is going off without a
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hitch. God is not surprised by anything. He's not taken aback. He's not thrown off. He's not
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wondering what the heck is going to happen. He's not looking down and saying, how are these details
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going to work together. Romans 8, 28 promises us that he is working all things together for the
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good of those who love him and are called according to his purpose. That's the seemingly
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mundane things in our everyday life. That's the sad parts of our current circumstance. It's also
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the crazy chaotic things going on in the world. It's the things that you see on social media or
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on the news. And you're like, how in the world is anything redemptive or good going to come out of
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this. God's already working that out because God is not constrained by linear time and space the
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way that we are. He is suspended in the eternal. Now he is sovereign over all of it. And he already
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tells us how it's going to end. He wins. He wins. Psalm 37 is such a comfort to me. It starts out
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by saying, don't be envious of wrongdoers. Don't worry about this is Ali's paraphrasing those who
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do wrong. Those who seem like they're profiting off of doing evil, don't worry about them because
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their end is coming one day. It's not going to go well for them. Ultimately, it might seem like
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it's going well for them now. That's what it is to live in a fallen world. It seems like those who
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are unfair and unjust are on the side of victory, but in the end, they will lose and God will
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destroy them. And we can trust in that. And we can trust that. I think that we see some of that
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goodness in this life that God gives us that gift of grace that very often we do see justice
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overcome injustice, but we know that ultimately one day in eternity, Jesus will end sin and sorrow
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and sickness in all oppression and injustice and deceit and slander and Satan's power forever
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and ever. And that is where our hope and our joy comes from. And that is why we don't act like
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people who don't have hope. That is why we don't allow our mood to be dictated by the things we
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see on social media or our joy to be stolen from us by circumstances, even though we have emotions,
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we are not ruled by them. We are ruled by the hope that we have in Christ, that his eternal
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plan of redemption is going off without a hitch. And the only thing we are ever responsible to do
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in any given moment is to do the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God.
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Do the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God. That might be sending
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an email, that might be resolving sibling conflict, that might be changing a diaper with
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joy, that might be washing the dishes well. Maybe it is some big public act of faith that God has
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been calling you to, and you follow that conviction of the Holy Spirit. Or maybe it's something that
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is completely unsung and unseen, but is done in faithfulness to the God who made you. The
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beautiful thing about being a believer is that everything that we do, no matter how seemingly
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small echoes in eternity and advances God's kingdom. That is the purpose of all of this.
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So I'm so thankful for that because as we talk about some of the things that we'll talk about
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today, the pre-trial hearing for Charlie Kirk and some of the just chaos and deceit and the
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sadness and the evil that's surrounding that, it's really easy to just get distraught and to
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ask ourselves, like, does the truth really matter? Is goodness really going to prevail? And we just
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have to trust that we are on the side of a God who's taking care of all of it. And somehow in
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everything, he brings himself glory and takes care of his people. And if you want to know what is
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really ever going on, it's that. It's that God is in charge and he's working all things together for
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the good of those who love him. All right. So we'll get into a little bit of that today, actually
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into a lot of that today. We might continue to talk about that throughout the week. We definitely
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will on Friday, but we might continue some things on Wednesday, but we'll get into as much as we can
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of this pretrial hearing, some of the theories out there and what the truth is based on the
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evidence that we have before we get into it. Just want to remind you, women, if you want to be
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pre-trial hearing of Charlie Kirk, everything presented there, I do just want to mention that
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we lost a political giant over the weekend in the U S and his name was Lindsay Graham. I was
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shocked by this when I woke up, I think it was Sunday morning and I looked at Instagram and I
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saw the Fox news post that said, um, that said that he had passed away and I was just stunned
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just because it was so sudden and he seemed like someone who was going to be a pillar of American
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political life forever. So a little bit about him, Senator for South Carolina, he died at the age of
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71. Um, on Sunday, it might've actually been Saturday evening that he actually passed,
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but he represented South Carolina since 2003. So he, uh, represented the state both as a
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Congressman and as a Senator during that time, he died reportedly of an aortic tear due to
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cardiovascular disease, according to preliminary findings by the district of Columbia medical
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examiner. There's already all kinds of theories surrounding his death. He had just been to
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Ukraine. He was examining some weaponry there, but this does seem as the reporting says to be
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something that is somewhat common. I'm actually kind of familiar with this disease. There was a
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member of our family who thankfully was able to go to the doctor and realize that this was a defect
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that he had in his heart and he was able to have surgery and he's okay but this is very common for
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people with heart problems to have this particular issue and it is very um it is very deadly and
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maybe the long flight from ukraine exacerbated these issues or stress or all the things that
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he had going on um and so pray for his family especially his sister he lost his parents
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really within, I think about 15 months of each other when he was a young man. And then he entered
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into the air force so he could support his sister, get a salary from the air force, take care of her.
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She was only 13, uh, when their parents died and he, um, took her into custody and took care of
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her. And I'm sure she's hurting a lot right now. So pray for them. Um, he served in the U S air
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force and the air force reserve retiring as a colonel after a 33 year career. So we thank him
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for his service. There was a lot of ugliness online about Senator Graham. And look, I didn't
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really have a strong opinion about him. I'm sure there were a lot of things he advocated for that
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I really agreed with and really appreciated as a fellow Republican. I'm sure there were things that
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I disagreed with, or I wish that he was stronger on, but man on the right and the left, this guy
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had a lot of very intense enemies who have no moral compass whatsoever. I read an email this
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morning from the wall street journal, Matthew Hennessey wrote this. He said, the best thing
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you can do when someone dies is say a prayer. If that isn't your thing, find something nice to say.
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If neither of those options work for you, there's a third option. Shut up. Politics creates winners
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and losers. Losing creates bitterness and those who weren't raised right, or a little stupid,
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That bitterness will express itself in ugly ways.
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You know, it's really not that difficult when someone dies to take a breather and not say
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I saw people spreading all different kinds of really nasty rumors about him.
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There are all kinds of people in life who really adamantly disagree with us, even advocated
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for things that we really didn't like or think are evil, you can just take a beat. Like I remember
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when, uh, Ruth Bader Ginsburg died. I mean, she advocated for horrific demonic things like
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abortion through her Supreme court arguments and decisions. And yet there was nothing in me that
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felt compelled to say something angrily about her after she died. There are just measures of decorum
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that we should take when someone passes, whether we liked them or not. There are two things that
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I keep seeing about Senator Graham in the wake of his death. One is that he was really funny.
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I've heard that from Democrats on Democrats on the left and then also conservatives on the right
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that he was genuinely hilarious. And the second thing that I thought was really cool and very rare
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in politics and in media and any form of public life, but I kept on seeing a similar story from
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people saying that, Hey, I criticize Senator Graham. I really didn't like him. I said all
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this stuff, but when I met him, even though he knew the things I thought about him, he was kind
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to me. Um, for example, Ben Dominick, uh, he said this, I called Lindsey Graham a dangerously
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insane neocon. And the next time we saw each other, he hugged me and said, everyone's got
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an opinion. I heard a very similar story from a lot of people on X yesterday. He was a big driver
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of Donald Trump's agenda. Since his death, Trump has said that he was like family to him and a
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really skilled politician. Hearing Trump on these various news shows talk about Lindsey Graham has
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been surprising to me. You just don't see Trump express a lot of emotion. Even after Charlie
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Kirk was assassinated, obviously very horrifically died. Trump and Charlie Kirk were close. Trump was
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very kind about it and everything but there wasn't a lot of emotion at least that i saw publicly and
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that's just kind of how he is or how he presents himself when he talks about lindsey graham he has
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talked about lindsey graham being basically like a part of his family like i said like being really
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close to him and that has just surprised me hearing such emotion and feeling behind trump's words um
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he also said that if he was ever having problems with the democrat then he would always call lindsey
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graham and lindsey graham could figure it out he was really the kind of person that would reach
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across the aisle and try to hash things out. And that is what makes an effective politician.
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One moment I think for me that illustrates Graham's tenacity was when he just completely
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eviscerated the Democrats during the Kavanaugh hearings. He pointed out that they didn't want
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to find the truth, that they were just trying to ruin a man's life. That was really the first
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political moment for me in which I got actively involved. Like I was in DC during those hearings.
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I give a speech at a rally because I thought it was so immoral and wrong what they were doing to
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then judge Kavanaugh. And I was so thankful that Senator Graham, he had the strength and he had
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the courage. He had the tenacity to call them out for exactly what he was doing. So no matter what
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you think about senator graham's foreign policy what you think about any of the other policies
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that he advocated for this took courage and i appreciate it it's not one when you see sotomayor
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and kagan tell them that lindsey said oh because i voted for them i would never do to them what
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you've done to this guy this is the most unethical sham since i've been in politics
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And if you really wanted to know the truth, you sure as hell wouldn't have done what you've done to this guy.
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I cannot imagine what you and your family have gone through.
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I hope the American people can see through this sham.
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boy i hope you never get it i mean that is as good of a line as any screenwriter could ever
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write i mean that was that was so good and so powerful and he goes on to say to his fellow
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republicans if you vote no on him then you are legitimizing one of the most corrupt corrupt
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grabs for power that he has ever seen and you know he had been in dc for a long time and he
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even went through you, which you can watch this on X. You can probably watch it on YouTube as well.
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The entire scheme that occurred, that was woven by people like Dianne Feinstein, um, leading up
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to the Kavanaugh hearings. It was just so good. So, so thankful for his courage and, um, for him
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advocating for the things that he really believed in very effectively and very relentlessly for 20
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plus years of his political career. All right, let's get into the Charlie Kirk preliminary
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want to add value to them and add value to you. All right, let's talk about this Charlie Kirk
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preliminary hearing. Every time I say something like that, I still am coming to terms with the
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fact that we are talking about this. I so often I'll see a headline or I'll see it like Charlie
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Kirk assassination or Charlie Kirk's widow. I'll see words like that. And I'm like,
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a year ago, me like 2025, me seeing something like that would not be able to wrap my head
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around what we are talking about right now. Sometimes it still just hits me that someone
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that hundreds of us in the movement were friends with and who can say that we appreciated and that
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we benefited from their wisdom and from their leadership, that we lost someone on video being
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shot in the neck by someone who hates him. And now he has left behind this beautiful wife,
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beautiful children who are trying to pick up the pieces and lead this movement, deal with the
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online slander and insane conspiracy theories, go through this pre-trial hearing, try to present
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the prosecution, try to present the evidence as much as possible. Like the fact that all of this
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is happening is just insane. And if we feel anything, like if we feel burdened, if we feel
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sad, we can amplify that times a million when it comes to the people closest to him, those who
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worked with him every day. Those were who were his friends. And then most of all, Erica and her kids.
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So, and his parents, of course, his parents also attended this preliminary hearing. So
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right off the top, every time you think about this, every time you're just hit with that feeling
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of shock that this actually happened, pray for Erica, pray for those kids, pray for his parents,
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pray for his sister, pray for those who were closest to Charlie up until the day that he died
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and pray that God would give them the peace that passes all understanding and that justice would be
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done. The justice would be done because it matters to the God who created justice. So
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speaking of justice, let's go through this preliminary hearing. Let's talk about the
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evidence that was actually presented in some of the theories that are still floating around out
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there. So the preliminary hearing began in Provo, Utah last Monday to determine whether there is
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probable cause to try Tyler Robinson in the murder of Charlie Kirk. This is the dude that has been
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in jail accused of murdering Charlie Kirk. He faces seven criminal charges, the heftiest being
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aggravated murder. We will have an attorney possibly on Wednesday, but definitely another
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one on Friday who will be breaking down some of this legal use for us. So if you've got questions
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in the next couple of days after this comes out specifically for an attorney, please send them to
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me, and we will try to get those questions to them and get them answered on this show this week.
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After the week-long hearing, state prosecutors presented evidence that Robinson fired a single
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shot, killing Kirk at a Turning Point USA event on the Utah Valley University campus on September
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10th, 2025. The hearing adjourned on Friday, which also marked exactly 10 months since Charlie's
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assassination. Again, I can't imagine just the emotional toll that that took on Erica specifically
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that specific day. Um, in the next few weeks, defense and prosecution will file legal briefs,
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explaining their arguments. Uh, the court will return on September one. So right around that
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year anniversary, I don't want to call it an anniversary, but, um, the year to the day that
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Charlie was assassinated, um, attorneys then will present their final arguments and judge Tony
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graph will determine whether the case should go to trial. The pause is intended to give both
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sides time to prepare legal briefs. If probable cause is found in these pre-trial proceedings,
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then Robinson will enter a plea and a trial date will be set. So September 1st is not even
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the trial date. The trial date is sometime in the future. It could be in 2027. We don't actually
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know when the actual trial is going to start. Prosecutors have stated they intend to seek the
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death penalty, which if he is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, then the death penalty is
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completely proportionate. It is completely just, they should seek the death penalty. Now the defense
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is going to do everything they can to make sure that the death penalty is not on the table.
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That might be the only thing that they can really do after the evidence is presented is try to
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get that punishment conviction or get the punishment, the sentencing down as much as
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possible. Um, but it is just, it is actually the only just outcome for the assassin of, uh,
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Charlie Kirk or anyone else. And that's not my standard of justice. That's God's standard of
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justice. He tells us that in Genesis nine, not old Testament law, pre-civilizational principle
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that we see in Genesis nine. So let's go through some of the most notable moments during the
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hearing. At the start of the hearing Monday, Robinson was reportedly laughing with his
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attorney attorney, a news nation, senior correspondent, Brian Inton reported this
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seen from inside the Tyler Robinson courtroom. Erica Kirk was crying before the hearing started.
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Donald Trump Jr. is in the front with his wife. Tyler Robinson was laughing with his attorney
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attorney before the hearing started. Erica left during the description of the shooting.
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He reportedly showed no reaction while hearing the audio of a surveillance video showing Charlie
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being shot. However, judge graph visibly flinched in the video. Um, the video itself wasn't being
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played to the whole courtroom or the public out of respect for the Kirk family because it was so
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graphic. Um, the court only heard the audio, but graph actually watched it on his monitor
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and you can see him flinch, which just goes to show how awful it was. He knew what he was about
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to watch right there in court. He was anticipating it. And still, because of how violent and jarring
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it was, the judge who is really tasked with being as impartial as possible, he could not even
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contain just his instinctive reaction there. On Friday, the court played a surveillance video
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that prosecutors said showed Robinson on the rooftop where he allegedly fired the bullet that
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hit Charlie. Jack Posobiec was there. He saw that video from the courtroom. Here's what he said.
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You see him shooting Charlie. You see him executing Charlie. It's the most damning thing
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i've seen all week for tyler robinson um with with the zoom in it it just changes everything
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it's like it's like watching a completely different video the video that we see played
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on that monitor is so much more clear than the video that's on the live stream when you see him
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walking around it's not just a blurry guy or a pixelated guy it's tyler robinson it's just very
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obviously when he's there in the red shirt and shorts and he comes back in all black it's still
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it's the same guy it's just obviously him there's no question about it it's so crystal clear
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and and every single one of these videos needs to be released publicly in its raw form so that
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everyone can see that yeah we haven't been able to see that um that version of that video
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as the public there was some back and forth some people saying that it was super clear and super
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zoomed in other people who are apparently at the trial saying no it's not at all but what it
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basobic that this video clearly shows someone who looks exactly like tyler robinson which of course
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According to the Associated Press, the defense tried to cast doubt on the reliability of the
00:27:25.800
evidence presented by the prosecution, like this surveillance footage, as well as other
00:27:30.840
surveillance footage, also presented, which we'll get into in just a second, was DNA evidence that
00:27:37.860
the prosecution put forth. And the defense tried to cast doubt on that as well. The defense's
00:27:44.460
strategy in casting doubt on and trying to stop the presentation of the prosecution's case and
00:27:52.540
evidence really lengthened the process. According to legal analysts, Josh Ritter is a legal analyst
00:27:59.520
and he argued this up for. In a normal world, they would have been able to put in all of this
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evidence in about two days. I mean, this is not the type of evidence that should take five days
00:28:10.620
long to present. It's because of the defense and their obstructionism in this whole thing
00:28:15.900
and the objections to evidence that we've already argued about weeks ago that is prolonging all of
00:28:22.000
this this honestly in a normal courtroom that we've been in many times before you could have
00:28:26.440
handled all of this evidence including what we've seen today in a day or two okay so that is clearly
00:28:34.560
the defense's mechanism right now this is their strategy it's not to say hey i don't think that
00:28:41.160
this guy did it it seems to me obviously we'll see fully in the trial what they try to do and
00:28:46.520
some of their pre-trial arguments we'll learn a little bit more about their what their strategy
00:28:50.780
is going to be, but they're simply trying to say, we don't want you to present this.
00:28:55.080
And we're not really sure if this should be presented. Maybe this should be redacted. Maybe
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we can cast doubt on this, which I think is very telling, especially for those who have presented
00:29:06.100
all different kinds of theories of who really killed Charlie Kirk. So far, we haven't seen
00:29:10.340
the defense give credence to any of the online theories that we have about Tyler Robinson not
00:29:17.340
really being on campus and not really being the guy. We'll get into more of that in a second.
00:29:21.460
First, let's look at the evidence that has been presented by the prosecution thus far. First,
00:29:28.300
we've got the surveillance footage. So the prosecution showed surveillance,
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surveillance footage that allegedly put Tyler Robinson, who is not a UVU student on campus
00:29:37.380
four times between September 10th and September 11th, 2025. Charlie was murdered on September 10th.
00:29:43.920
As a reminder, according to former Utah State Bureau of Investigation agent David Hull,
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Robinson first arrived on campus about 8.30 a.m.,
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parking his gray Dodge Challenger in the UVU parking garage.
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The suspect was dressed in a maroon shirt, gray or olive shorts, and Converse sneakers.
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He then interacted with Turning Point USA members before leaving campus in the vehicle about 9.25 a.m.
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At about 10 a.m., the suspect was seen eating a meal at the on-campus Chick-fil-A.
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He was wearing the same outfit with a blue backpack.
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He then went to a wooded area near campus, reportedly, and then returned to campus without the backpack.
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He walked off campus about 11 a.m., returning at about 12.15, wearing different clothes but the same shoes.
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This is the prosecution's case from what they presented with the surveillance footage.
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On his return, he was walking with a noticeable limp.
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prosecutors allege he was concealing the rifle in his pant leg footage allegedly shows him heading
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toward the low c building climbing over a railing onto the rooftop okay and so we can see the video
00:30:52.140
if you're watching this of this guy in the different outfit now walking with a limp the shot
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was fired at 12 23 p.m and some of the footage that was shown in court people like jack basobic
00:31:08.260
say that that did actually show that moment of the shooting the suspect allegedly left the rifle
00:31:15.860
wrapped in a towel in wooded areas near campus after the shooting and returned about at about
00:31:20.880
12 30 a.m on september 11th in an attempt to retrieve it during the manhunt hole testified
00:31:27.700
that Robinson was driving a gray Dodge Challenger and a campus police officer who briefly spoke with
00:31:33.600
him before he left campus, took down his license plate number, which the officer used to identify
00:31:38.400
the owners of the vehicle as Robinson and his mother, Amber Robinson. And then also we have
00:31:45.380
the fact that Tyler Robinson did turn himself in. There's a still image from publicly released
00:31:51.840
surveillance footage aired on the news in September, 2025. Um, and that is what prompted
00:31:57.960
Robinson's mother to recognize him. She and her husband then confronted their son and convinced
00:32:02.940
him to turn himself in. And we just need to say shout out to Mr. And Mrs. Robinson for having the
00:32:09.000
character and the courage to do that. A lot of people would put the protection of their child
00:32:14.740
over justice and over what is objectively right and wrong. And that took a lot that took a lot
00:32:20.260
for them to convince their child to turn himself in after committing allegedly such an egregious
00:32:26.240
act. Um, court also showed footage of Robinson turning himself in. This was the first public
00:32:31.880
viewing of that surrender video. Um, uh, he surrendered at the Washington County Sheriff's
00:32:38.100
office and was subsequently booked into the Utah County jail in Provo. Special agent Brian Davis
00:32:43.900
confirms and describes the suspect turning himself in soft five. The reason you went down there was
00:32:48.760
you had been told that an individual wanted to turn themselves in. That's correct. Did you observe
00:32:54.300
that individual? I did. Did you speak with this individual that we've been talking about? Yes,
00:33:00.660
I did. Did you get his name? Yes, we obtained his name and date of birth. What was his name?
00:33:08.220
Tyler Robinson. All right. Then there was also the DNA evidence. According to the Bureau of
00:33:15.660
alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, ATF, the DNA section chief, um, Caitlin Oliver,
00:33:23.040
the DNA profile, um, on the rifle was 1 trillion times more likely to have originated from Tyler
00:33:30.720
Robinson than from anyone else. And that's just how it works. If you think that's weird wording
00:33:36.020
to say like 1 trillion or times more likely, that's just what they do. That is true in all
00:33:41.280
of these cases? What are the chances that this is the DNA that corresponds with this person?
00:33:47.260
That's the language that's used. So she says 1 trillion times more likely to be Tyler Robinson's
00:33:52.820
DNA. So what is Tyler Robinson's DNA DNA from Robinson and his lover Lance twigs who was on
00:34:00.200
the screwdriver found on the low C rooftop where the shooter allegedly took the shot and on the
00:34:05.320
rifle and towel found in bushes near the uvu campus the towel was was wrapped around the
00:34:11.200
weapon to conceal it and the screwdriver would have been needed to disassemble and reassemble it
00:34:15.640
so dna lance twigs's dna on these items or at least the towel as well and amanda backer an fbi
00:34:23.480
forensic dna analyst slash examiner explains this on seven you testified about um exhibit seven and
00:34:31.840
eight, that they both had mixtures? When I calculate the statistic, Twigs' DNA profile
00:34:38.940
aligned with the 5% contributor, and Mr. Robinson's DNA profile aligned better with the 95% contributor.
00:34:46.100
Okay. Same question with regard to eight. I think you said the ratio was 11% from the minor and
00:34:52.760
89% from the major. Is that Twigs being the 11% and Robinson being the 89%?
00:35:00.480
Yes. Twigs better aligned with that 11% contributor and Mr. Robinson better aligned with that 79% contributor.
00:35:09.740
All right. So that's the DNA evidence that was presented by the prosecution.
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according to the washington post tyler robinson seems to have confessed in a discord chat room
00:36:35.040
he said hey guys i have bad news for you all it was me at uv us yesterday i'm sorry for all of
00:36:40.340
this he said in a message from his account sent two hours before he was taken into custody the
00:36:45.260
new york times is robert draper reported from the courtroom about the content of these discord
00:36:49.900
messages he says robinson's online friends were confused because you're saying it was you robinson
00:36:55.300
replied. It was. Another protested. No, it wasn't LMAO. Robinson then wrote, look at the photos from
00:37:00.860
the surveillance footage. It was me. And then we also have Lance Twiggs' testimony. Now you'll
00:37:07.340
remember that this is the guy who was Robinson's lover, his roommate, apparently some like furry
00:37:14.580
trans identifying guy. Now, if you watch his video testimony that was presented in the pre-trial,
00:37:24.200
I'm sure that is strategic in some ways, or maybe he snapped out of this delusion after
00:37:30.960
But a recorded video with Lance Twiggs from April, 2026 was played in court during the
00:37:36.940
A video testimony would not be allowed in the actual trial, but in this preliminary hearing,
00:37:44.560
The defense strongly objected, however, to showing the video and the accompanying text
00:37:49.640
messages, arguing that it was just hearsay, could taint the jury pool. This led to a lengthy debate
00:37:55.060
and delays on Wednesday and ended with the judge ordering some redaction. So the redacted video
00:37:59.900
was ultimately played on Thursday. In the video, Twigs testified that surveillance footage did
00:38:05.160
actually look like Tyler Robinson, his former lover. Sodate. Do you recognize the person in
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these images? I wouldn't say with 100% certainty just because of camera quality, but that looks
00:38:18.800
like him in terms of the shoes he's wearing the sunglasses i don't think i'd specifically seen
00:38:24.640
him wearing that hat but he was usually wearing a hat um and then jeans so it definitely especially
00:38:32.620
the bottom the last two definitely do look like him yeah that's interesting because it's actually
00:38:40.100
the last two pictures that internet sleuths have been zooming in on and saying that's totally not
00:38:44.660
tyler robinson and yet his lover is looking at those two pictures and saying those are the ones
00:38:49.800
who definitely look like him twigs also testified that robinson left their st george apartment at
00:38:55.480
about 4 a.m on the day of the shooting st george is about 260 miles away from the uvu campus that's
00:39:01.960
about a three and a half hour drive that matches up with the timeline of the surveillance footage
00:39:06.760
that the prosecution put forth twigs also described robinson acting erratically the day after the
00:39:11.560
shooting, crying, and saying he wished he hadn't done it at SOT9. Did he talk about what he had
00:39:16.020
done? Uh, didn't go into detail. He just, I just asked him in person if what he said was true the
00:39:24.000
night before. And he said it was, uh, I started crying a little bit and said he wishes he hadn't
00:39:30.300
done it. Uh, and then kept going around and just doing stuff, I think to keep himself busy or
00:40:07.400
of the bullets we remember this being reported after charlie was assassinated um one says
00:40:13.520
fascist catch um and then there are some others that are like really kind of meme language that
00:40:20.840
you see on reddit and discord um some gay stuff literally and uh there's some others we can't see
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everything one actually says gay one bullet reads oh bella chow that's an antifa slogan okay so this
00:40:40.440
guy was radical he was a far left radical at least according to these engravings on here
00:40:45.900
the prosecution showed images from twigs's phone with his correspondence with the suspect on the
00:40:51.720
day after the shooting the suspect tyler robinson says in these texts i am still okay my love but
00:40:59.140
I'm stuck in Orem for a little while longer yet. Shouldn't be long until I can come home. To be
00:41:04.440
honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you.
00:41:10.000
And let me just pause right there before I keep reading. I've seen a lot of people on my own
00:41:13.460
social media say, this is not how they talk. This is obviously a fed. This guy is a patsy.
00:41:18.700
This is not how young people, young people talk. Well, first of all, if this is not how he really
00:41:24.740
talks and this was a fed that was sending these text messages and it wasn't really tyler robinson
00:41:29.600
he would have done a better he wouldn't have spoken like this like he would have done a better
00:41:34.000
job of trying to sound like some gen z guy this guy what i can tell you i don't even have to say
00:41:40.320
allegedly he's weird he's a grade a weirdo okay these people a lot of these nerds that are on
00:41:47.380
reddit and are on discord are weird they talk weird when people are saying oh he talked so
00:41:53.100
uniformly. He said the word vehicle. That's not right. No young person says vehicle. Okay. This
00:41:59.120
guy was very dorky and strange. Nothing wrong with being nerdy and dorky, by the way. I'm just saying
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that it could change how you talk. You might not talk like you think of a typical, like Gen Z
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casual person on a college campus would speak. Okay. I think he probably had a very strange
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fantasy life that he was involved in. And I think that he was probably a strange, awkward kid who
00:42:24.880
used awkward wording. There are actually other vehicle or other, uh, uh, pieces of footage from
00:42:31.440
his past where he is saying the word vehicle for car. So this was just how he spoke Lance Twiggs
00:42:37.340
in response in the text. You weren't the one who did it, right? And then Robinson, I am, I'm sorry,
00:42:43.140
Lance Twiggs, I thought they caught the person. And then Robinson says, no, they grabbed some
00:42:48.180
crazy old dude that interrogated someone in similar clothing. But most of that side of town
00:42:52.980
got locked down. It's quiet almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering.
00:43:01.600
Okay. It's quiet, comma, almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering. And then
00:43:08.360
twigs also said he found a handwritten confession note left by robinson and took a photograph of it
00:43:13.680
he testified that he later burned the note because he was afraid during the hearing prosecutor showed
00:43:18.340
both the photograph of the intact note and a photograph of its burned remains and here's
00:43:24.380
sat 10 i assume you read it yeah and then what did you do with it after you read it
00:43:30.240
um i believe i just put it back down on the desk after i took a picture of it
00:43:37.080
And again, the time you read it was probably around 11 o'clock or so on the 10th.
00:43:47.740
And did you ever see that again after you placed it back on his desk?
00:43:57.340
And that's a separate bedroom than your bedroom?
00:44:04.240
but the note says this and we have a full screen of it. Luna, if you are reading this, so Luna
00:44:09.500
apparently is what Tyler Robinson called his lover Lance Twigs nickname. If you are reading this
00:44:14.820
per my text, then I am so sorry. I left the house this morning on a mission and said an auto text.
00:44:18.620
I am likely dead or facing a lengthy prison sentence. I had the opportunity to take out
00:44:22.940
Charlie Kirk and I took it. I don't know if I will have succeeded, but I had hoped to make it home to
00:44:27.780
you. I mean, obviously this looks like a child's handwriting. There's a lot that is apparently
00:44:32.620
going on maturity-wise and mentally there. Not that every evil person is mentally ill. I think
00:44:38.580
that's an excuse, but I think there's some instability here, clearly. It actually, this
00:44:44.360
note wasn't supposed to be broadcast or shown publicly. Judge Graff actually ordered it to
00:44:48.620
be redacted. It was accidentally flashed up on the screen, but it had already been in circulation for
00:44:52.920
a while on social media. So that is the bulk. In my view, that is the bulk of the evidence that
00:45:00.220
was presented by the prosecution. That's not to say that the defense won't have their own well
00:45:05.880
reasoned case. If they are good at their jobs, they will. We will see the totality of everything
00:45:11.220
presented in the witnesses brought forth when the trial actually occurs. I think we'll learn a lot
00:45:16.260
over the next couple of months. To me, from my personal opinion, it does seem beyond a shadow
00:45:23.840
the doubt that Tyler Robinson did it, that he was motivated by his animus toward Charlie Kirk
00:45:30.940
because of Charlie Kirk's views and that he decided to take this opportunity to in his mind
00:45:37.500
and maybe in the minds of other people to become a hero. That's what it seems to me. It seems pretty
00:45:44.040
irrefutable at this point, unless you are to believe that the prosecution and the Orem police
00:45:49.940
and UVU and Israel and Egypt and Erica Kirk and and the federal government and all of the
00:46:00.660
intelligence agencies are somehow working together to cover this up and that Tyler Robinson is just
00:46:07.020
the fall guy. And I will just say, like, you're going to have to prove that you're going to have
00:46:12.800
to prove it. You can't just say it and you can't just say, well, I think that this one thing is
00:46:17.220
weird or I haven't heard a reporting of this. And so that must not be true or they must not
00:46:21.960
be investigating it. We don't know everything that has been investigated. We don't know everything
00:46:27.260
that the prosecution is going to bring forth. We don't know everything that the defense is going
00:46:30.880
to bring forth. One thing I will say is that the defense cares a lot more about defending their
00:46:38.920
client than internet sleuths do. They care a lot more about winning this case. They care a lot more
00:46:45.660
about, um, presenting alternative theories. And so if there were any truth to any of the theories
00:46:52.300
out there about other people actually being the ones who were responsible for the assassination
00:46:58.260
of Charlie Kirk, they would be bringing that forth in court. And maybe they will when it
00:47:04.120
comes to the trial, I guess we'll have to see, but so far they haven't so far. The defense has
00:47:08.660
not brought forth any of the theories that we see circulating about Israel or other entities
00:47:13.980
actually being responsible for the murder of Charlie. All right. We've got a little bit more
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Okay, so here's one claim that I've been seeing circulating. The suspect's limp shifts from one
00:48:53.280
leg to the other in the surveillance video that we showed that was allegedly Tyler Robinson
00:48:59.280
putting his rifle in his pant leg to conceal it and walking down the stairwells or walking up the
00:49:05.820
stairwell, um, on UVU's campus. Some people are saying that the limp shifts in one shot from one
00:49:12.780
leg to the other. Um, so this is what I would say to this. The purpose of faking a limp would be to
00:49:20.620
allegedly hide the weapon on a flight of stairs. He would have to favor the specific leg that could
00:49:26.300
bend less on flat ground where he could more easily walk without bending the other leg he
00:49:30.860
might switch which leg he was bending in order to appear to be limping it's also been shown that you
00:49:36.420
are actually able to bend your leg even if you had this kind of rifle in your pant leg so it is
00:49:42.020
possible that he switched legs he tried to change things up he forgot which leg he was trying to
00:49:47.160
bend the limp is not necessarily because the rifle was in that pant leg the limp was probably
00:49:54.180
to hide the weapon altogether. And so he was limping around and he could have forgotten and
00:50:01.020
he could have, because he was lying, um, he could have switched legs and that alone, even if that
00:50:09.000
is a question of like, why would he switch legs? That does not discount all of the evidence that
00:50:14.180
has been put forth. And even the testimony of people like Lance twigs about the veracity of
00:50:20.020
the identity of the person in this, um, surveillance video. It's also just important
00:50:25.040
to note that the defense team, when watching the surveillance footage, they had the opportunity to
00:50:29.820
say, Hey, look at that. That's a different, that's a changing limp, or that's a bit like
00:50:34.360
that obviously isn't him because then they would be saying what this is like a fake person limping
00:50:40.460
and forget like it, that would be a whole different theory that they would be pushing
00:50:44.100
into. And they didn't do that. They didn't say, Hey, look at that changing limp or look at that
00:50:49.140
bent leg. Um, and if that, if they thought that that would help their client, then they would
00:50:54.620
have presented that. And they did it. Another claim is that the bullet did not match the rifle.
00:50:59.420
Uh, the daily mail ran a story on March 30th with the headline, the bullet used to kill Charlie
00:51:04.140
Kirk did not match the rifle allegedly used by the suspect new court filing claims. However,
00:51:10.080
the report was actually inconclusive and it is incorrect to say that the bullet did not match
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the rifle. It is very common when the fragments are reportedly too small or too deformed after
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a shooting to allow for a clear answer. So the report will say inconclusive. This does not mean
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that they didn't match the rifle. Um, according to a 2022 study, examiners found inconclusive
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results in about 20% of cases like this. According to Christopher Ballard, a spokesperson for the
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Utah County attorney's office and part of the prosecution team, an inconclusive result from
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bullet fragment analysis does not mean that the rifle did not fire the bullet. Um, another, uh,
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another claim is that it's not possible that a 30-06 round would not have produced an exit wound
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because we've heard from the beginning, there was no exit wound in the body of Charlie Kirk that his
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neck actually stopped the bullet from the beginning. There have been people saying that's
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not possible. That just makes this all kind of a conspiracy. Um, for example, one person said on
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X, a 30-06, goes through three cast iron pans, but somehow produces no exit wound in Charlie
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Kirk's neck. Many online claims assume that every 30-06 always exits, which is incorrect. Court
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evidence and forensic testimony identified the ammunition as a soft point. So that's a big game
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hunting bullet. These are intentionally designed to expand quickly on impact, dump energy into the
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target and then often stop inside. This is actually why they're used for big game hunting,
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because you don't want a bullet that is going to destroy the neck or destroy the meat off of an
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animal that kind of takes the point out of actually killing the animal, especially if you're using it
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to eat. Um, that's the, the lack of explosive nature of these kinds of soft point bullets is
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exactly why they are so commonly used and why they typically don't have an exit point, whether
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it's a deer's neck or whether it is a person's neck, a related claim to there being no exit
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wound. Uh, Charlie wasn't killed by a gunshot, but by an explosive in his mic. And this claim
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seems to be closely related to Israel did it for some reason. Um, on Thursday, the bullet fragments
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found inside Charlie's body were shown in court, contradicting the theory that an exploding Mike
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killed him. Um, and so you've got these fragments right there that are shown
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that are shown in court. Um, also we don't have any, we don't have any evidence of his Mike
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exploding people who have said, Oh, Charlie didn't typically use this Mike. So again,
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that's another part of the conspiracy here that the person who put the Mike on Charlie was also
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in on his death. Um, and so this idea that Charlie was wearing a different kind of lavalier mic,
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that's the kind of mic that you would place on your shirt this time. And that that had some kind
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of explosive mechanism in it, but that's not true. If you look back at the footage of Charlie
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in previous campus stops, he was wearing the exact same kind of mic. Again, we've got no evidence of
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that whatsoever. The video, which I have unfortunately seen that so many of you have
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scene of Charlie being shot, you can see his neck go that way and fall and he falls and he slouches
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down. You would also have to assume that every single person who witnessed him being shot,
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every single person who was with him in the car trying to save his life, that they were also
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all lying about it, that all of the witnesses there who claim that they saw him get shot
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and saw him fall in a way that corresponds with being shot in the neck that they are all lying
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too. So I just don't see any substantiation for the idea that he wasn't shot at all and that his
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microphone exploded. There are lots of other claims. We, we don't have time to get into them
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today, but if you have a claim that you're like, I really want you to address this. I want you to
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talk about this. You can send it to me. You can comment, you can send a message, or if there's
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something that I said that you want me to clarify or dig more into, then we'll try to do that on
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Wednesday. I do think it's important to address those specific claims. The truth is I just don't
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see any evidence or substantiation for the other theories surrounding this. I just don't. I see a
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lot of conjecture. I see a lot of guessing. I see a lot of, well, isn't this weird? I see a lot of,
00:55:41.520
well, I'm just asking questions, but at the same time, I'm going to implicitly accuse this person,
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a friend of Charlie, a wife of Charlie, a confidant of Charlie of being in on a grand
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conspiracy to murder him. But that's slander without evidence. And so I just don't see any
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veracity to those kinds of claims. It seems to me like the prosecution has done a good job that the
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defense so far hasn't really done a good job of contesting the main thrust of the evidence against
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Tyler Robinson. And so I think more truth is going to come out as the months go on. I think
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I think we're going to see a stronger and stronger case made against Tyler Robinson that a lot of
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these theories are going to be outright debunked altogether. But if someone is wedded to a theory
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and they're wedded to a lie for whatever motivation, well, then of course, everything
00:56:31.920
can be claimed to be fake. Everything can be AI. Everything can just be added to the large pile of
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conspiracy. But I think most people get fatigued by that. It becomes less and less compelling
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as time goes on. No matter what you think, pray for Erica, pray for the family, pray for everyone
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who is involved in this, pray for Tyler Robinson's parents as well, and for truth to prevail and for
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justice to overcome in this situation. And then also for those who have been duped by the lies
00:57:06.800
that have kind of sucked them into this internet black hole. I know that some of you have people
00:57:11.840
in your life and they believe that they're on the side of truth, but you can just see that it's
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stolen the joy and the contentment, um, and really the moral compass from their lives,
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you should be praying for those people to 100%. Um, all right, we've got just a little bit more.
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All right, to close this out for today, let's do a voicemail.
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My question is, my husband and I believe differently on secondary doctrinal issues, mainly communion and baptism.
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He believes in pedo-baptism, and I believe in believer's baptism.
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My question is, I'm trying to be a loving and submissive wife, but I'm unsure if I should be submitting to him in this,
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or if I should submit to what I know to be true according to God's word.
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oh i think that this is such a great question and can be really difficult so i think one
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important thing is that you're not argumentative and nagging about this obviously it is really
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important these doctrinal issues matter i don't want to minimize that but at the same time since
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they are not salvific um at least from your perspective it sounds like because you call
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them these secondary doctrinal issues, then I would say that there is a time and a place,
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a proper context in which these can be discussed in a non-emotional, respectful, biblical,
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and open way without it being a divide that starts to characterize your marriage.
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I would say that this is something that you should both be open to, that if he has a book
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or an article or a podcast that he wants you to read or to listen to or a sermon that he wants
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you to watch, then you should be open to doing that. At the same time, because you are first
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and foremost a Christian, you should have your Bible open. You should be like the Bereans. You
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should be testing these things to see whether or not they're true. And in an open and respectful
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way, I think that you can go to your husband and you can say, look, I hear you. And here are the
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points that I think are really compelling that I've never thought about before about, you said
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paedo-baptism. For those who don't know, that's infant baptism. And here's what I think is
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compelling. Here's what I'm still getting hung up on. Because the Bible says this, every single
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instance in scripture is the baptism of someone who had already believed or the household of
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people who had believed. I don't see any evidence or any example of infant baptism in scripture.
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Um, and so I think that you can do that in a very like respectful and loving way.
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And I do think that because this is not salvific, if he says, look, I think that we need to
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start going to a Presbyterian church, then I do think you as his wife have to say yes
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Now that would be different if he was like, I think that we should leave the faith altogether.
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we should start doing something that is clearly against the gospel and clearly unbiblical,
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then that would be a different story and a different voicemail to answer. And I would
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have a different answer for you. But in this case, when it comes to these issues and when it comes to
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the direction that he's leading, I think you can submit respectfully while also standing firm on
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God's word and truly praying about it yourself. And if it's not something that you can meet eye
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eye on and it just seems to cause division and argumentation within your marriage, then I think
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that we rely on that passage that says like there are many wives who have won over their husbands
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without a word because of their honorable and respectful conduct. It might just be something
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that you no longer are discussing as often. I think like every disagreement, there is a time
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and a place and a way to do it that should be edifying and doesn't tear down. But you are right
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to feel tension about this. We uphold God's word is the only inerrant, infallible source of
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authority. We also know that wives are called to submit to our husbands and that marriage
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is a reflection of Christ in the church. It's a representation of Christ's leadership of the
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church and that that mirroring here on earth really does matter and how we conduct ourselves
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within marriage matters. And so there is a tension there. And I think that there is a way to navigate
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it in a way that is godly and God glorifying. Uh, let me know what you think about that. And
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any of you, if you have good godly biblical insight there, feel free to leave a comment
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or send a message. All right. Thank you guys so much. That's all we've got time for today.