Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1370 ｜ Tyler Robinson Hearing： What You Missed & What’s Next

00:00:00.000 What really happened to Charlie Kirk on September 10th, 2025? The preliminary hearing that occurred last week gives us some insight, at least into what the prosecution thinks. Some people are not buying it. We will go through the evidence presented as well as the counterclaims on today's episode.

00:00:17.460 Also, Senator Lindsey Graham from South Carolina has suddenly died, and we've got a short tribute

00:00:25.520 to the courage that he showed, particularly in 2018 during the Kavanaugh hearing.

00:00:30.120 We've got all of that, as well as voicemails on today's episode of Relatable.

00:00:43.700 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.

00:00:46.100 Happy Monday.

00:00:47.460 hope everyone had a wonderful weekend we are back after being gone for a week you got to

00:00:53.040 listen to some interviews that we had pre-recorded but we took a little break as a relatable team

00:00:58.660 and my family as well we've been kind of bopping around the country as a family we have gotten to

00:01:04.840 spend time with extended family and friends and it's been really wonderful we tried to escape the

00:01:10.560 heat as long as we could we had a wonderful and restful fourth of july and i hope you guys did

00:01:17.120 too. I've got some good news after we've been off for a little while. And I just wanted to

00:01:22.740 double check this because after I've been gone for a while, you typically have to check back in

00:01:26.920 and see if it's still true. And it is that God's eternal plan of redemption is going off without a

00:01:32.880 hitch. God is not surprised by anything. He's not taken aback. He's not thrown off. He's not

00:01:37.680 wondering what the heck is going to happen. He's not looking down and saying, how are these details

00:01:41.940 going to work together. Romans 8, 28 promises us that he is working all things together for the

00:01:47.800 good of those who love him and are called according to his purpose. That's the seemingly

00:01:51.980 mundane things in our everyday life. That's the sad parts of our current circumstance. It's also

00:01:56.800 the crazy chaotic things going on in the world. It's the things that you see on social media or

00:02:02.020 on the news. And you're like, how in the world is anything redemptive or good going to come out of

00:02:07.380 this. God's already working that out because God is not constrained by linear time and space the

00:02:13.120 way that we are. He is suspended in the eternal. Now he is sovereign over all of it. And he already

00:02:18.740 tells us how it's going to end. He wins. He wins. Psalm 37 is such a comfort to me. It starts out

00:02:26.200 by saying, don't be envious of wrongdoers. Don't worry about this is Ali's paraphrasing those who

00:02:32.660 do wrong. Those who seem like they're profiting off of doing evil, don't worry about them because

00:02:38.060 their end is coming one day. It's not going to go well for them. Ultimately, it might seem like

00:02:43.300 it's going well for them now. That's what it is to live in a fallen world. It seems like those who

00:02:48.740 are unfair and unjust are on the side of victory, but in the end, they will lose and God will

00:02:56.040 destroy them. And we can trust in that. And we can trust that. I think that we see some of that

00:03:02.020 goodness in this life that God gives us that gift of grace that very often we do see justice

00:03:08.500 overcome injustice, but we know that ultimately one day in eternity, Jesus will end sin and sorrow

00:03:15.840 and sickness in all oppression and injustice and deceit and slander and Satan's power forever

00:03:22.180 and ever. And that is where our hope and our joy comes from. And that is why we don't act like

00:03:27.160 people who don't have hope. That is why we don't allow our mood to be dictated by the things we

00:03:31.540 see on social media or our joy to be stolen from us by circumstances, even though we have emotions,

00:03:38.040 we are not ruled by them. We are ruled by the hope that we have in Christ, that his eternal

00:03:41.960 plan of redemption is going off without a hitch. And the only thing we are ever responsible to do

00:03:46.920 in any given moment is to do the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God.

00:03:52.020 Do the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God. That might be sending

00:03:56.500 an email, that might be resolving sibling conflict, that might be changing a diaper with

00:04:02.920 joy, that might be washing the dishes well. Maybe it is some big public act of faith that God has

00:04:08.060 been calling you to, and you follow that conviction of the Holy Spirit. Or maybe it's something that

00:04:12.660 is completely unsung and unseen, but is done in faithfulness to the God who made you. The

00:04:18.480 beautiful thing about being a believer is that everything that we do, no matter how seemingly

00:04:23.600 small echoes in eternity and advances God's kingdom. That is the purpose of all of this.

00:04:29.720 So I'm so thankful for that because as we talk about some of the things that we'll talk about

00:04:33.380 today, the pre-trial hearing for Charlie Kirk and some of the just chaos and deceit and the

00:04:41.320 sadness and the evil that's surrounding that, it's really easy to just get distraught and to

00:04:47.720 ask ourselves, like, does the truth really matter? Is goodness really going to prevail? And we just

00:04:53.360 have to trust that we are on the side of a God who's taking care of all of it. And somehow in

00:04:59.640 everything, he brings himself glory and takes care of his people. And if you want to know what is

00:05:05.560 really ever going on, it's that. It's that God is in charge and he's working all things together for

00:05:11.040 the good of those who love him. All right. So we'll get into a little bit of that today, actually

00:05:16.500 into a lot of that today. We might continue to talk about that throughout the week. We definitely

00:05:20.020 will on Friday, but we might continue some things on Wednesday, but we'll get into as much as we can

00:05:24.680 of this pretrial hearing, some of the theories out there and what the truth is based on the

00:05:29.500 evidence that we have before we get into it. Just want to remind you, women, if you want to be

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00:06:57.580 pre-trial hearing of Charlie Kirk, everything presented there, I do just want to mention that

00:07:03.240 we lost a political giant over the weekend in the U S and his name was Lindsay Graham. I was

00:07:10.520 shocked by this when I woke up, I think it was Sunday morning and I looked at Instagram and I

00:07:16.460 saw the Fox news post that said, um, that said that he had passed away and I was just stunned

00:07:24.120 just because it was so sudden and he seemed like someone who was going to be a pillar of American

00:07:31.100 political life forever. So a little bit about him, Senator for South Carolina, he died at the age of

00:07:37.660 71. Um, on Sunday, it might've actually been Saturday evening that he actually passed,

00:07:43.500 but he represented South Carolina since 2003. So he, uh, represented the state both as a

00:07:50.820 Congressman and as a Senator during that time, he died reportedly of an aortic tear due to

00:07:57.120 cardiovascular disease, according to preliminary findings by the district of Columbia medical

00:08:02.560 examiner. There's already all kinds of theories surrounding his death. He had just been to

00:08:07.980 Ukraine. He was examining some weaponry there, but this does seem as the reporting says to be

00:08:15.120 something that is somewhat common. I'm actually kind of familiar with this disease. There was a

00:08:20.440 member of our family who thankfully was able to go to the doctor and realize that this was a defect

00:08:26.340 that he had in his heart and he was able to have surgery and he's okay but this is very common for

00:08:32.680 people with heart problems to have this particular issue and it is very um it is very deadly and

00:08:40.080 maybe the long flight from ukraine exacerbated these issues or stress or all the things that

00:08:45.600 he had going on um and so pray for his family especially his sister he lost his parents

00:08:52.060 really within, I think about 15 months of each other when he was a young man. And then he entered

00:08:56.860 into the air force so he could support his sister, get a salary from the air force, take care of her.

00:09:04.240 She was only 13, uh, when their parents died and he, um, took her into custody and took care of

00:09:11.360 her. And I'm sure she's hurting a lot right now. So pray for them. Um, he served in the U S air

00:09:17.660 force and the air force reserve retiring as a colonel after a 33 year career. So we thank him

00:09:23.640 for his service. There was a lot of ugliness online about Senator Graham. And look, I didn't

00:09:29.860 really have a strong opinion about him. I'm sure there were a lot of things he advocated for that

00:09:35.160 I really agreed with and really appreciated as a fellow Republican. I'm sure there were things that

00:09:40.520 I disagreed with, or I wish that he was stronger on, but man on the right and the left, this guy

00:09:46.140 had a lot of very intense enemies who have no moral compass whatsoever. I read an email this

00:09:52.320 morning from the wall street journal, Matthew Hennessey wrote this. He said, the best thing

00:09:56.500 you can do when someone dies is say a prayer. If that isn't your thing, find something nice to say.

00:10:00.880 If neither of those options work for you, there's a third option. Shut up. Politics creates winners 0.99

00:10:06.620 and losers. Losing creates bitterness and those who weren't raised right, or a little stupid, 1.00

00:10:12.180 That bitterness will express itself in ugly ways. 1.00

00:10:15.440 Social media practically demands it.

00:10:18.780 You know, it's really not that difficult when someone dies to take a breather and not say

00:10:24.260 anything.

00:10:24.780 I saw people saying good riddance.

00:10:26.780 I saw people spreading all different kinds of really nasty rumors about him.

00:10:32.140 No decency, no compassion whatsoever.

00:10:36.100 There are all kinds of people in life who really adamantly disagree with us, even advocated

00:10:41.200 for things that we really didn't like or think are evil, you can just take a beat. Like I remember

00:10:46.040 when, uh, Ruth Bader Ginsburg died. I mean, she advocated for horrific demonic things like 0.84

00:10:53.400 abortion through her Supreme court arguments and decisions. And yet there was nothing in me that

00:10:59.620 felt compelled to say something angrily about her after she died. There are just measures of decorum

00:11:06.880 that we should take when someone passes, whether we liked them or not. There are two things that

00:11:14.120 I keep seeing about Senator Graham in the wake of his death. One is that he was really funny.

00:11:19.600 I've heard that from Democrats on Democrats on the left and then also conservatives on the right

00:11:25.520 that he was genuinely hilarious. And the second thing that I thought was really cool and very rare

00:11:32.080 in politics and in media and any form of public life, but I kept on seeing a similar story from

00:11:37.780 people saying that, Hey, I criticize Senator Graham. I really didn't like him. I said all

00:11:43.240 this stuff, but when I met him, even though he knew the things I thought about him, he was kind

00:11:47.440 to me. Um, for example, Ben Dominick, uh, he said this, I called Lindsey Graham a dangerously

00:11:53.360 insane neocon. And the next time we saw each other, he hugged me and said, everyone's got

00:11:58.200 an opinion. I heard a very similar story from a lot of people on X yesterday. He was a big driver

00:12:04.680 of Donald Trump's agenda. Since his death, Trump has said that he was like family to him and a

00:12:09.360 really skilled politician. Hearing Trump on these various news shows talk about Lindsey Graham has

00:12:14.720 been surprising to me. You just don't see Trump express a lot of emotion. Even after Charlie

00:12:20.940 Kirk was assassinated, obviously very horrifically died. Trump and Charlie Kirk were close. Trump was

00:12:27.160 very kind about it and everything but there wasn't a lot of emotion at least that i saw publicly and

00:12:32.240 that's just kind of how he is or how he presents himself when he talks about lindsey graham he has

00:12:37.600 talked about lindsey graham being basically like a part of his family like i said like being really

00:12:43.120 close to him and that has just surprised me hearing such emotion and feeling behind trump's words um

00:12:48.920 he also said that if he was ever having problems with the democrat then he would always call lindsey

00:12:52.880 graham and lindsey graham could figure it out he was really the kind of person that would reach

00:12:56.580 across the aisle and try to hash things out. And that is what makes an effective politician.

00:13:03.460 One moment I think for me that illustrates Graham's tenacity was when he just completely

00:13:10.760 eviscerated the Democrats during the Kavanaugh hearings. He pointed out that they didn't want

00:13:15.680 to find the truth, that they were just trying to ruin a man's life. That was really the first

00:13:21.220 political moment for me in which I got actively involved. Like I was in DC during those hearings.

00:13:26.980 I give a speech at a rally because I thought it was so immoral and wrong what they were doing to

00:13:34.040 then judge Kavanaugh. And I was so thankful that Senator Graham, he had the strength and he had

00:13:41.920 the courage. He had the tenacity to call them out for exactly what he was doing. So no matter what

00:13:47.420 you think about senator graham's foreign policy what you think about any of the other policies

00:13:52.620 that he advocated for this took courage and i appreciate it it's not one when you see sotomayor

00:13:58.360 and kagan tell them that lindsey said oh because i voted for them i would never do to them what

00:14:04.600 you've done to this guy this is the most unethical sham since i've been in politics

00:14:12.300 And if you really wanted to know the truth, you sure as hell wouldn't have done what you've done to this guy. 1.00

00:14:18.600 Are you a gang rapist? 1.00

00:14:21.420 No. 1.00

00:14:25.680 I cannot imagine what you and your family have gone through.

00:14:30.060 Boy, y'all want power.

00:14:31.300 God, I hope you never get it.

00:14:33.020 I hope the American people can see through this sham.

00:14:37.800 That line right there, y'all want power.

00:14:40.980 boy i hope you never get it i mean that is as good of a line as any screenwriter could ever

00:14:47.740 write i mean that was that was so good and so powerful and he goes on to say to his fellow

00:14:53.620 republicans if you vote no on him then you are legitimizing one of the most corrupt corrupt

00:15:02.360 grabs for power that he has ever seen and you know he had been in dc for a long time and he

00:15:08.580 even went through you, which you can watch this on X. You can probably watch it on YouTube as well.

00:15:13.880 The entire scheme that occurred, that was woven by people like Dianne Feinstein, um, leading up

00:15:22.420 to the Kavanaugh hearings. It was just so good. So, so thankful for his courage and, um, for him

00:15:29.860 advocating for the things that he really believed in very effectively and very relentlessly for 20

00:15:36.740 plus years of his political career. All right, let's get into the Charlie Kirk preliminary

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00:17:40.900 preliminary hearing. Every time I say something like that, I still am coming to terms with the

00:17:47.700 fact that we are talking about this. I so often I'll see a headline or I'll see it like Charlie

00:17:51.960 Kirk assassination or Charlie Kirk's widow. I'll see words like that. And I'm like,

00:17:55.960 a year ago, me like 2025, me seeing something like that would not be able to wrap my head

00:18:04.340 around what we are talking about right now. Sometimes it still just hits me that someone

00:18:09.100 that hundreds of us in the movement were friends with and who can say that we appreciated and that

00:18:18.380 we benefited from their wisdom and from their leadership, that we lost someone on video being

00:18:28.040 shot in the neck by someone who hates him. And now he has left behind this beautiful wife,

00:18:35.960 beautiful children who are trying to pick up the pieces and lead this movement, deal with the

00:18:41.040 online slander and insane conspiracy theories, go through this pre-trial hearing, try to present

00:18:47.600 the prosecution, try to present the evidence as much as possible. Like the fact that all of this

00:18:52.000 is happening is just insane. And if we feel anything, like if we feel burdened, if we feel

00:18:59.140 sad, we can amplify that times a million when it comes to the people closest to him, those who

00:19:04.640 worked with him every day. Those were who were his friends. And then most of all, Erica and her kids.

00:19:09.340 So, and his parents, of course, his parents also attended this preliminary hearing. So

00:19:13.960 right off the top, every time you think about this, every time you're just hit with that feeling

00:19:20.620 of shock that this actually happened, pray for Erica, pray for those kids, pray for his parents,

00:19:27.340 pray for his sister, pray for those who were closest to Charlie up until the day that he died

00:19:32.940 and pray that God would give them the peace that passes all understanding and that justice would be

00:19:37.260 done. The justice would be done because it matters to the God who created justice. So

00:19:42.320 speaking of justice, let's go through this preliminary hearing. Let's talk about the

00:19:47.840 evidence that was actually presented in some of the theories that are still floating around out

00:19:51.940 there. So the preliminary hearing began in Provo, Utah last Monday to determine whether there is

00:19:57.660 probable cause to try Tyler Robinson in the murder of Charlie Kirk. This is the dude that has been

00:20:04.680 in jail accused of murdering Charlie Kirk. He faces seven criminal charges, the heftiest being

00:20:11.820 aggravated murder. We will have an attorney possibly on Wednesday, but definitely another

00:20:17.580 one on Friday who will be breaking down some of this legal use for us. So if you've got questions

00:20:22.560 in the next couple of days after this comes out specifically for an attorney, please send them to

00:20:27.400 me, and we will try to get those questions to them and get them answered on this show this week.

00:20:31.840 After the week-long hearing, state prosecutors presented evidence that Robinson fired a single

00:20:36.660 shot, killing Kirk at a Turning Point USA event on the Utah Valley University campus on September

00:20:42.440 10th, 2025. The hearing adjourned on Friday, which also marked exactly 10 months since Charlie's

00:20:49.160 assassination. Again, I can't imagine just the emotional toll that that took on Erica specifically

00:20:53.980 that specific day. Um, in the next few weeks, defense and prosecution will file legal briefs,

00:20:59.060 explaining their arguments. Uh, the court will return on September one. So right around that

00:21:05.080 year anniversary, I don't want to call it an anniversary, but, um, the year to the day that

00:21:11.100 Charlie was assassinated, um, attorneys then will present their final arguments and judge Tony

00:21:16.580 graph will determine whether the case should go to trial. The pause is intended to give both

00:21:23.540 sides time to prepare legal briefs. If probable cause is found in these pre-trial proceedings,

00:21:30.960 then Robinson will enter a plea and a trial date will be set. So September 1st is not even

00:21:37.640 the trial date. The trial date is sometime in the future. It could be in 2027. We don't actually

00:21:45.020 know when the actual trial is going to start. Prosecutors have stated they intend to seek the

00:21:50.820 death penalty, which if he is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, then the death penalty is

00:21:57.500 completely proportionate. It is completely just, they should seek the death penalty. Now the defense

00:22:03.640 is going to do everything they can to make sure that the death penalty is not on the table.

00:22:09.700 That might be the only thing that they can really do after the evidence is presented is try to

00:22:14.600 get that punishment conviction or get the punishment, the sentencing down as much as

00:22:20.040 possible. Um, but it is just, it is actually the only just outcome for the assassin of, uh,

00:22:27.980 Charlie Kirk or anyone else. And that's not my standard of justice. That's God's standard of

00:22:34.640 justice. He tells us that in Genesis nine, not old Testament law, pre-civilizational principle

00:22:40.600 that we see in Genesis nine. So let's go through some of the most notable moments during the

00:22:45.420 hearing. At the start of the hearing Monday, Robinson was reportedly laughing with his

00:22:49.780 attorney attorney, a news nation, senior correspondent, Brian Inton reported this

00:22:55.060 seen from inside the Tyler Robinson courtroom. Erica Kirk was crying before the hearing started.

00:23:00.900 Donald Trump Jr. is in the front with his wife. Tyler Robinson was laughing with his attorney

00:23:05.400 attorney before the hearing started. Erica left during the description of the shooting.

00:23:10.780 He reportedly showed no reaction while hearing the audio of a surveillance video showing Charlie

00:23:16.540 being shot. However, judge graph visibly flinched in the video. Um, the video itself wasn't being

00:23:25.120 played to the whole courtroom or the public out of respect for the Kirk family because it was so

00:23:29.960 graphic. Um, the court only heard the audio, but graph actually watched it on his monitor

00:23:35.660 and you can see him flinch, which just goes to show how awful it was. He knew what he was about

00:23:43.120 to watch right there in court. He was anticipating it. And still, because of how violent and jarring

00:23:50.140 it was, the judge who is really tasked with being as impartial as possible, he could not even

00:23:55.520 contain just his instinctive reaction there. On Friday, the court played a surveillance video

00:24:01.240 that prosecutors said showed Robinson on the rooftop where he allegedly fired the bullet that

00:24:07.120 hit Charlie. Jack Posobiec was there. He saw that video from the courtroom. Here's what he said.

00:24:13.280 You see him shooting Charlie. You see him executing Charlie. It's the most damning thing

00:24:21.020 i've seen all week for tyler robinson um with with the zoom in it it just changes everything

00:24:28.440 it's like it's like watching a completely different video the video that we see played

00:24:33.700 on that monitor is so much more clear than the video that's on the live stream when you see him

00:24:38.320 walking around it's not just a blurry guy or a pixelated guy it's tyler robinson it's just very

00:24:44.080 obviously when he's there in the red shirt and shorts and he comes back in all black it's still

00:24:48.040 it's the same guy it's just obviously him there's no question about it it's so crystal clear

00:24:53.040 and and every single one of these videos needs to be released publicly in its raw form so that

00:25:00.680 everyone can see that yeah we haven't been able to see that um that version of that video

00:25:07.960 as the public there was some back and forth some people saying that it was super clear and super

00:25:14.240 zoomed in other people who are apparently at the trial saying no it's not at all but what it

00:25:20.060 actually seems to land on what the truth seems to be is that yes this is much higher quality

00:25:24.700 than anyone in the public has seen and yes it does seem at least according to people like jack

00:25:31.260 basobic that this video clearly shows someone who looks exactly like tyler robinson which of course

00:25:38.900 is exactly why, um, is exactly why the prosecution presented it. Um, okay. Let me take a quick pause

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00:27:19.660 According to the Associated Press, the defense tried to cast doubt on the reliability of the

00:27:25.800 evidence presented by the prosecution, like this surveillance footage, as well as other

00:27:30.840 surveillance footage, also presented, which we'll get into in just a second, was DNA evidence that

00:27:37.860 the prosecution put forth. And the defense tried to cast doubt on that as well. The defense's

00:27:44.460 strategy in casting doubt on and trying to stop the presentation of the prosecution's case and

00:27:52.540 evidence really lengthened the process. According to legal analysts, Josh Ritter is a legal analyst

00:27:59.520 and he argued this up for. In a normal world, they would have been able to put in all of this

00:28:05.280 evidence in about two days. I mean, this is not the type of evidence that should take five days

00:28:10.620 long to present. It's because of the defense and their obstructionism in this whole thing

00:28:15.900 and the objections to evidence that we've already argued about weeks ago that is prolonging all of

00:28:22.000 this this honestly in a normal courtroom that we've been in many times before you could have

00:28:26.440 handled all of this evidence including what we've seen today in a day or two okay so that is clearly

00:28:34.560 the defense's mechanism right now this is their strategy it's not to say hey i don't think that

00:28:41.160 this guy did it it seems to me obviously we'll see fully in the trial what they try to do and

00:28:46.520 some of their pre-trial arguments we'll learn a little bit more about their what their strategy

00:28:50.780 is going to be, but they're simply trying to say, we don't want you to present this.

00:28:55.080 And we're not really sure if this should be presented. Maybe this should be redacted. Maybe

00:29:00.960 we can cast doubt on this, which I think is very telling, especially for those who have presented

00:29:06.100 all different kinds of theories of who really killed Charlie Kirk. So far, we haven't seen

00:29:10.340 the defense give credence to any of the online theories that we have about Tyler Robinson not

00:29:17.340 really being on campus and not really being the guy. We'll get into more of that in a second.

00:29:21.460 First, let's look at the evidence that has been presented by the prosecution thus far. First,

00:29:28.300 we've got the surveillance footage. So the prosecution showed surveillance,

00:29:31.580 surveillance footage that allegedly put Tyler Robinson, who is not a UVU student on campus

00:29:37.380 four times between September 10th and September 11th, 2025. Charlie was murdered on September 10th.

00:29:43.920 As a reminder, according to former Utah State Bureau of Investigation agent David Hull,

00:29:49.600 Robinson first arrived on campus about 8.30 a.m.,

00:29:53.420 parking his gray Dodge Challenger in the UVU parking garage.

00:29:57.600 The suspect was dressed in a maroon shirt, gray or olive shorts, and Converse sneakers.

00:30:02.440 He then interacted with Turning Point USA members before leaving campus in the vehicle about 9.25 a.m.

00:30:09.520 That is on September 10th.

00:30:10.880 At about 10 a.m., the suspect was seen eating a meal at the on-campus Chick-fil-A.

00:30:15.080 He was wearing the same outfit with a blue backpack.

00:30:17.720 He then went to a wooded area near campus, reportedly, and then returned to campus without the backpack.

00:30:22.800 He walked off campus about 11 a.m., returning at about 12.15, wearing different clothes but the same shoes.

00:30:30.720 This is the prosecution's case from what they presented with the surveillance footage.

00:30:35.000 On his return, he was walking with a noticeable limp.

00:30:38.160 prosecutors allege he was concealing the rifle in his pant leg footage allegedly shows him heading

00:30:43.760 toward the low c building climbing over a railing onto the rooftop okay and so we can see the video

00:30:52.140 if you're watching this of this guy in the different outfit now walking with a limp the shot

00:30:59.360 was fired at 12 23 p.m and some of the footage that was shown in court people like jack basobic

00:31:08.260 say that that did actually show that moment of the shooting the suspect allegedly left the rifle

00:31:15.860 wrapped in a towel in wooded areas near campus after the shooting and returned about at about

00:31:20.880 12 30 a.m on september 11th in an attempt to retrieve it during the manhunt hole testified

00:31:27.700 that Robinson was driving a gray Dodge Challenger and a campus police officer who briefly spoke with

00:31:33.600 him before he left campus, took down his license plate number, which the officer used to identify

00:31:38.400 the owners of the vehicle as Robinson and his mother, Amber Robinson. And then also we have

00:31:45.380 the fact that Tyler Robinson did turn himself in. There's a still image from publicly released

00:31:51.840 surveillance footage aired on the news in September, 2025. Um, and that is what prompted

00:31:57.960 Robinson's mother to recognize him. She and her husband then confronted their son and convinced

00:32:02.940 him to turn himself in. And we just need to say shout out to Mr. And Mrs. Robinson for having the

00:32:09.000 character and the courage to do that. A lot of people would put the protection of their child

00:32:14.740 over justice and over what is objectively right and wrong. And that took a lot that took a lot

00:32:20.260 for them to convince their child to turn himself in after committing allegedly such an egregious

00:32:26.240 act. Um, court also showed footage of Robinson turning himself in. This was the first public

00:32:31.880 viewing of that surrender video. Um, uh, he surrendered at the Washington County Sheriff's

00:32:38.100 office and was subsequently booked into the Utah County jail in Provo. Special agent Brian Davis

00:32:43.900 confirms and describes the suspect turning himself in soft five. The reason you went down there was

00:32:48.760 you had been told that an individual wanted to turn themselves in. That's correct. Did you observe

00:32:54.300 that individual? I did. Did you speak with this individual that we've been talking about? Yes,

00:33:00.660 I did. Did you get his name? Yes, we obtained his name and date of birth. What was his name?

00:33:08.220 Tyler Robinson. All right. Then there was also the DNA evidence. According to the Bureau of

00:33:15.660 alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, ATF, the DNA section chief, um, Caitlin Oliver,

00:33:23.040 the DNA profile, um, on the rifle was 1 trillion times more likely to have originated from Tyler

00:33:30.720 Robinson than from anyone else. And that's just how it works. If you think that's weird wording

00:33:36.020 to say like 1 trillion or times more likely, that's just what they do. That is true in all

00:33:41.280 of these cases? What are the chances that this is the DNA that corresponds with this person?

00:33:47.260 That's the language that's used. So she says 1 trillion times more likely to be Tyler Robinson's

00:33:52.820 DNA. So what is Tyler Robinson's DNA DNA from Robinson and his lover Lance twigs who was on

00:34:00.200 the screwdriver found on the low C rooftop where the shooter allegedly took the shot and on the

00:34:05.320 rifle and towel found in bushes near the uvu campus the towel was was wrapped around the

00:34:11.200 weapon to conceal it and the screwdriver would have been needed to disassemble and reassemble it

00:34:15.640 so dna lance twigs's dna on these items or at least the towel as well and amanda backer an fbi

00:34:23.480 forensic dna analyst slash examiner explains this on seven you testified about um exhibit seven and

00:34:31.840 eight, that they both had mixtures? When I calculate the statistic, Twigs' DNA profile

00:34:38.940 aligned with the 5% contributor, and Mr. Robinson's DNA profile aligned better with the 95% contributor.

00:34:46.100 Okay. Same question with regard to eight. I think you said the ratio was 11% from the minor and

00:34:52.760 89% from the major. Is that Twigs being the 11% and Robinson being the 89%?

00:35:00.480 Yes. Twigs better aligned with that 11% contributor and Mr. Robinson better aligned with that 79% contributor.

00:35:09.740 All right. So that's the DNA evidence that was presented by the prosecution.

00:35:13.460 We also have the discord messages that have been discussed for a very long time, long before this preliminary hearing.

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00:36:25.520 according to the washington post tyler robinson seems to have confessed in a discord chat room

00:36:35.040 he said hey guys i have bad news for you all it was me at uv us yesterday i'm sorry for all of

00:36:40.340 this he said in a message from his account sent two hours before he was taken into custody the

00:36:45.260 new york times is robert draper reported from the courtroom about the content of these discord

00:36:49.900 messages he says robinson's online friends were confused because you're saying it was you robinson

00:36:55.300 replied. It was. Another protested. No, it wasn't LMAO. Robinson then wrote, look at the photos from

00:37:00.860 the surveillance footage. It was me. And then we also have Lance Twiggs' testimony. Now you'll

00:37:07.340 remember that this is the guy who was Robinson's lover, his roommate, apparently some like furry

00:37:14.580 trans identifying guy. Now, if you watch his video testimony that was presented in the pre-trial,

00:37:20.580 He's very much looks like a man in a suit.

00:37:24.200 I'm sure that is strategic in some ways, or maybe he snapped out of this delusion after

00:37:28.180 everything went down.

00:37:29.920 Not sure.

00:37:30.960 But a recorded video with Lance Twiggs from April, 2026 was played in court during the

00:37:36.420 hearing.

00:37:36.940 A video testimony would not be allowed in the actual trial, but in this preliminary hearing,

00:37:42.100 that is acceptable, normal.

00:37:44.560 The defense strongly objected, however, to showing the video and the accompanying text

00:37:49.640 messages, arguing that it was just hearsay, could taint the jury pool. This led to a lengthy debate

00:37:55.060 and delays on Wednesday and ended with the judge ordering some redaction. So the redacted video

00:37:59.900 was ultimately played on Thursday. In the video, Twigs testified that surveillance footage did

00:38:05.160 actually look like Tyler Robinson, his former lover. Sodate. Do you recognize the person in 0.74

00:38:11.180 these images? I wouldn't say with 100% certainty just because of camera quality, but that looks

00:38:18.800 like him in terms of the shoes he's wearing the sunglasses i don't think i'd specifically seen

00:38:24.640 him wearing that hat but he was usually wearing a hat um and then jeans so it definitely especially

00:38:32.620 the bottom the last two definitely do look like him yeah that's interesting because it's actually

00:38:40.100 the last two pictures that internet sleuths have been zooming in on and saying that's totally not

00:38:44.660 tyler robinson and yet his lover is looking at those two pictures and saying those are the ones

00:38:49.800 who definitely look like him twigs also testified that robinson left their st george apartment at

00:38:55.480 about 4 a.m on the day of the shooting st george is about 260 miles away from the uvu campus that's

00:39:01.960 about a three and a half hour drive that matches up with the timeline of the surveillance footage

00:39:06.760 that the prosecution put forth twigs also described robinson acting erratically the day after the

00:39:11.560 shooting, crying, and saying he wished he hadn't done it at SOT9. Did he talk about what he had

00:39:16.020 done? Uh, didn't go into detail. He just, I just asked him in person if what he said was true the

00:39:24.000 night before. And he said it was, uh, I started crying a little bit and said he wishes he hadn't

00:39:30.300 done it. Uh, and then kept going around and just doing stuff, I think to keep himself busy or

00:39:39.240 distracted or something.

00:39:41.200 Did he talk about what he was going to do

00:39:43.440 next?

00:39:48.200 So as I said,

00:39:49.280 some of that was redacted

00:39:51.360 by order of the judge, but

00:39:53.420 that was Twigs' testimony about how

00:39:55.260 he was acting. Twigs said

00:39:57.160 Robinson had asked for a Dremel tool

00:39:59.280 and was engraving bullets

00:40:01.260 for a family hunting trip,

00:40:03.180 roughly a month before

00:40:05.380 Kirk's murder. Photos

00:40:07.400 of the bullets we remember this being reported after charlie was assassinated um one says

00:40:13.520 fascist catch um and then there are some others that are like really kind of meme language that

00:40:20.840 you see on reddit and discord um some gay stuff literally and uh there's some others we can't see 0.65

00:40:31.540 everything one actually says gay one bullet reads oh bella chow that's an antifa slogan okay so this

00:40:40.440 guy was radical he was a far left radical at least according to these engravings on here

00:40:45.900 the prosecution showed images from twigs's phone with his correspondence with the suspect on the

00:40:51.720 day after the shooting the suspect tyler robinson says in these texts i am still okay my love but

00:40:59.140 I'm stuck in Orem for a little while longer yet. Shouldn't be long until I can come home. To be

00:41:04.440 honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you.

00:41:10.000 And let me just pause right there before I keep reading. I've seen a lot of people on my own

00:41:13.460 social media say, this is not how they talk. This is obviously a fed. This guy is a patsy.

00:41:18.700 This is not how young people, young people talk. Well, first of all, if this is not how he really

00:41:24.740 talks and this was a fed that was sending these text messages and it wasn't really tyler robinson

00:41:29.600 he would have done a better he wouldn't have spoken like this like he would have done a better

00:41:34.000 job of trying to sound like some gen z guy this guy what i can tell you i don't even have to say

00:41:40.320 allegedly he's weird he's a grade a weirdo okay these people a lot of these nerds that are on

00:41:47.380 reddit and are on discord are weird they talk weird when people are saying oh he talked so

00:41:53.100 uniformly. He said the word vehicle. That's not right. No young person says vehicle. Okay. This

00:41:59.120 guy was very dorky and strange. Nothing wrong with being nerdy and dorky, by the way. I'm just saying 0.98

00:42:05.620 that it could change how you talk. You might not talk like you think of a typical, like Gen Z 0.97

00:42:12.560 casual person on a college campus would speak. Okay. I think he probably had a very strange 0.52

00:42:17.880 fantasy life that he was involved in. And I think that he was probably a strange, awkward kid who

00:42:24.880 used awkward wording. There are actually other vehicle or other, uh, uh, pieces of footage from

00:42:31.440 his past where he is saying the word vehicle for car. So this was just how he spoke Lance Twiggs

00:42:37.340 in response in the text. You weren't the one who did it, right? And then Robinson, I am, I'm sorry,

00:42:43.140 Lance Twiggs, I thought they caught the person. And then Robinson says, no, they grabbed some

00:42:48.180 crazy old dude that interrogated someone in similar clothing. But most of that side of town

00:42:52.980 got locked down. It's quiet almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering.

00:43:01.600 Okay. It's quiet, comma, almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering. And then

00:43:08.360 twigs also said he found a handwritten confession note left by robinson and took a photograph of it

00:43:13.680 he testified that he later burned the note because he was afraid during the hearing prosecutor showed

00:43:18.340 both the photograph of the intact note and a photograph of its burned remains and here's

00:43:24.380 sat 10 i assume you read it yeah and then what did you do with it after you read it

00:43:30.240 um i believe i just put it back down on the desk after i took a picture of it

00:43:36.500 Okay.

00:43:37.080 And again, the time you read it was probably around 11 o'clock or so on the 10th.

00:43:41.640 Yes.

00:43:42.320 The night of September 10th.

00:43:43.840 Mm-hmm.

00:43:46.740 All right.

00:43:47.740 And did you ever see that again after you placed it back on his desk?

00:43:52.060 No, I don't think I did.

00:43:54.080 And that was a desk in his bedroom?

00:43:56.860 Yes.

00:43:57.340 And that's a separate bedroom than your bedroom?

00:43:59.440 Yeah.

00:44:01.000 Okay.

00:44:01.540 So some confusion there.

00:44:02.640 He set it back down.

00:44:03.500 He burned it later.

00:44:04.240 but the note says this and we have a full screen of it. Luna, if you are reading this, so Luna

00:44:09.500 apparently is what Tyler Robinson called his lover Lance Twigs nickname. If you are reading this

00:44:14.820 per my text, then I am so sorry. I left the house this morning on a mission and said an auto text.

00:44:18.620 I am likely dead or facing a lengthy prison sentence. I had the opportunity to take out

00:44:22.940 Charlie Kirk and I took it. I don't know if I will have succeeded, but I had hoped to make it home to

00:44:27.780 you. I mean, obviously this looks like a child's handwriting. There's a lot that is apparently

00:44:32.620 going on maturity-wise and mentally there. Not that every evil person is mentally ill. I think

00:44:38.580 that's an excuse, but I think there's some instability here, clearly. It actually, this

00:44:44.360 note wasn't supposed to be broadcast or shown publicly. Judge Graff actually ordered it to

00:44:48.620 be redacted. It was accidentally flashed up on the screen, but it had already been in circulation for

00:44:52.920 a while on social media. So that is the bulk. In my view, that is the bulk of the evidence that

00:45:00.220 was presented by the prosecution. That's not to say that the defense won't have their own well

00:45:05.880 reasoned case. If they are good at their jobs, they will. We will see the totality of everything

00:45:11.220 presented in the witnesses brought forth when the trial actually occurs. I think we'll learn a lot

00:45:16.260 over the next couple of months. To me, from my personal opinion, it does seem beyond a shadow

00:45:23.840 the doubt that Tyler Robinson did it, that he was motivated by his animus toward Charlie Kirk

00:45:30.940 because of Charlie Kirk's views and that he decided to take this opportunity to in his mind

00:45:37.500 and maybe in the minds of other people to become a hero. That's what it seems to me. It seems pretty

00:45:44.040 irrefutable at this point, unless you are to believe that the prosecution and the Orem police

00:45:49.940 and UVU and Israel and Egypt and Erica Kirk and and the federal government and all of the

00:46:00.660 intelligence agencies are somehow working together to cover this up and that Tyler Robinson is just

00:46:07.020 the fall guy. And I will just say, like, you're going to have to prove that you're going to have

00:46:12.800 to prove it. You can't just say it and you can't just say, well, I think that this one thing is

00:46:17.220 weird or I haven't heard a reporting of this. And so that must not be true or they must not

00:46:21.960 be investigating it. We don't know everything that has been investigated. We don't know everything

00:46:27.260 that the prosecution is going to bring forth. We don't know everything that the defense is going

00:46:30.880 to bring forth. One thing I will say is that the defense cares a lot more about defending their

00:46:38.920 client than internet sleuths do. They care a lot more about winning this case. They care a lot more

00:46:45.660 about, um, presenting alternative theories. And so if there were any truth to any of the theories

00:46:52.300 out there about other people actually being the ones who were responsible for the assassination

00:46:58.260 of Charlie Kirk, they would be bringing that forth in court. And maybe they will when it

00:47:04.120 comes to the trial, I guess we'll have to see, but so far they haven't so far. The defense has

00:47:08.660 not brought forth any of the theories that we see circulating about Israel or other entities

00:47:13.980 actually being responsible for the murder of Charlie. All right. We've got a little bit more

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00:48:47.280 Okay, so here's one claim that I've been seeing circulating. The suspect's limp shifts from one

00:48:53.280 leg to the other in the surveillance video that we showed that was allegedly Tyler Robinson

00:48:59.280 putting his rifle in his pant leg to conceal it and walking down the stairwells or walking up the

00:49:05.820 stairwell, um, on UVU's campus. Some people are saying that the limp shifts in one shot from one

00:49:12.780 leg to the other. Um, so this is what I would say to this. The purpose of faking a limp would be to

00:49:20.620 allegedly hide the weapon on a flight of stairs. He would have to favor the specific leg that could

00:49:26.300 bend less on flat ground where he could more easily walk without bending the other leg he

00:49:30.860 might switch which leg he was bending in order to appear to be limping it's also been shown that you

00:49:36.420 are actually able to bend your leg even if you had this kind of rifle in your pant leg so it is

00:49:42.020 possible that he switched legs he tried to change things up he forgot which leg he was trying to

00:49:47.160 bend the limp is not necessarily because the rifle was in that pant leg the limp was probably

00:49:54.180 to hide the weapon altogether. And so he was limping around and he could have forgotten and

00:50:01.020 he could have, because he was lying, um, he could have switched legs and that alone, even if that

00:50:09.000 is a question of like, why would he switch legs? That does not discount all of the evidence that

00:50:14.180 has been put forth. And even the testimony of people like Lance twigs about the veracity of

00:50:20.020 the identity of the person in this, um, surveillance video. It's also just important

00:50:25.040 to note that the defense team, when watching the surveillance footage, they had the opportunity to

00:50:29.820 say, Hey, look at that. That's a different, that's a changing limp, or that's a bit like

00:50:34.360 that obviously isn't him because then they would be saying what this is like a fake person limping

00:50:40.460 and forget like it, that would be a whole different theory that they would be pushing

00:50:44.100 into. And they didn't do that. They didn't say, Hey, look at that changing limp or look at that

00:50:49.140 bent leg. Um, and if that, if they thought that that would help their client, then they would

00:50:54.620 have presented that. And they did it. Another claim is that the bullet did not match the rifle.

00:50:59.420 Uh, the daily mail ran a story on March 30th with the headline, the bullet used to kill Charlie

00:51:04.140 Kirk did not match the rifle allegedly used by the suspect new court filing claims. However,

00:51:10.080 the report was actually inconclusive and it is incorrect to say that the bullet did not match

00:51:16.080 the rifle. It is very common when the fragments are reportedly too small or too deformed after

00:51:22.460 a shooting to allow for a clear answer. So the report will say inconclusive. This does not mean

00:51:28.860 that they didn't match the rifle. Um, according to a 2022 study, examiners found inconclusive

00:51:35.140 results in about 20% of cases like this. According to Christopher Ballard, a spokesperson for the

00:51:41.020 Utah County attorney's office and part of the prosecution team, an inconclusive result from

00:51:45.700 bullet fragment analysis does not mean that the rifle did not fire the bullet. Um, another, uh,

00:51:53.380 another claim is that it's not possible that a 30-06 round would not have produced an exit wound

00:51:59.040 because we've heard from the beginning, there was no exit wound in the body of Charlie Kirk that his

00:52:04.540 neck actually stopped the bullet from the beginning. There have been people saying that's

00:52:08.520 not possible. That just makes this all kind of a conspiracy. Um, for example, one person said on

00:52:14.640 X, a 30-06, goes through three cast iron pans, but somehow produces no exit wound in Charlie

00:52:21.300 Kirk's neck. Many online claims assume that every 30-06 always exits, which is incorrect. Court

00:52:28.120 evidence and forensic testimony identified the ammunition as a soft point. So that's a big game

00:52:34.620 hunting bullet. These are intentionally designed to expand quickly on impact, dump energy into the

00:52:40.960 target and then often stop inside. This is actually why they're used for big game hunting,

00:52:46.560 because you don't want a bullet that is going to destroy the neck or destroy the meat off of an

00:52:52.480 animal that kind of takes the point out of actually killing the animal, especially if you're using it

00:52:57.660 to eat. Um, that's the, the lack of explosive nature of these kinds of soft point bullets is

00:53:05.760 exactly why they are so commonly used and why they typically don't have an exit point, whether

00:53:12.300 it's a deer's neck or whether it is a person's neck, a related claim to there being no exit

00:53:18.160 wound. Uh, Charlie wasn't killed by a gunshot, but by an explosive in his mic. And this claim

00:53:25.020 seems to be closely related to Israel did it for some reason. Um, on Thursday, the bullet fragments

00:53:32.020 found inside Charlie's body were shown in court, contradicting the theory that an exploding Mike

00:53:37.000 killed him. Um, and so you've got these fragments right there that are shown

00:53:42.180 that are shown in court. Um, also we don't have any, we don't have any evidence of his Mike

00:53:50.360 exploding people who have said, Oh, Charlie didn't typically use this Mike. So again,

00:53:55.020 that's another part of the conspiracy here that the person who put the Mike on Charlie was also

00:53:59.640 in on his death. Um, and so this idea that Charlie was wearing a different kind of lavalier mic,

00:54:06.360 that's the kind of mic that you would place on your shirt this time. And that that had some kind

00:54:11.660 of explosive mechanism in it, but that's not true. If you look back at the footage of Charlie

00:54:16.760 in previous campus stops, he was wearing the exact same kind of mic. Again, we've got no evidence of

00:54:23.500 that whatsoever. The video, which I have unfortunately seen that so many of you have

00:54:27.940 scene of Charlie being shot, you can see his neck go that way and fall and he falls and he slouches

00:54:35.760 down. You would also have to assume that every single person who witnessed him being shot,

00:54:41.360 every single person who was with him in the car trying to save his life, that they were also

00:54:46.160 all lying about it, that all of the witnesses there who claim that they saw him get shot

00:54:51.720 and saw him fall in a way that corresponds with being shot in the neck that they are all lying

00:54:59.180 too. So I just don't see any substantiation for the idea that he wasn't shot at all and that his

00:55:05.260 microphone exploded. There are lots of other claims. We, we don't have time to get into them

00:55:11.020 today, but if you have a claim that you're like, I really want you to address this. I want you to

00:55:15.780 talk about this. You can send it to me. You can comment, you can send a message, or if there's

00:55:21.240 something that I said that you want me to clarify or dig more into, then we'll try to do that on

00:55:25.200 Wednesday. I do think it's important to address those specific claims. The truth is I just don't

00:55:30.020 see any evidence or substantiation for the other theories surrounding this. I just don't. I see a

00:55:36.200 lot of conjecture. I see a lot of guessing. I see a lot of, well, isn't this weird? I see a lot of,

00:55:41.520 well, I'm just asking questions, but at the same time, I'm going to implicitly accuse this person,

00:55:46.520 a friend of Charlie, a wife of Charlie, a confidant of Charlie of being in on a grand

00:55:51.120 conspiracy to murder him. But that's slander without evidence. And so I just don't see any

00:55:58.000 veracity to those kinds of claims. It seems to me like the prosecution has done a good job that the

00:56:02.840 defense so far hasn't really done a good job of contesting the main thrust of the evidence against

00:56:09.080 Tyler Robinson. And so I think more truth is going to come out as the months go on. I think

00:56:15.360 I think we're going to see a stronger and stronger case made against Tyler Robinson that a lot of

00:56:19.920 these theories are going to be outright debunked altogether. But if someone is wedded to a theory

00:56:26.420 and they're wedded to a lie for whatever motivation, well, then of course, everything

00:56:31.920 can be claimed to be fake. Everything can be AI. Everything can just be added to the large pile of

00:56:38.380 conspiracy. But I think most people get fatigued by that. It becomes less and less compelling

00:56:43.500 as time goes on. No matter what you think, pray for Erica, pray for the family, pray for everyone

00:56:50.400 who is involved in this, pray for Tyler Robinson's parents as well, and for truth to prevail and for

00:56:56.800 justice to overcome in this situation. And then also for those who have been duped by the lies

00:57:06.800 that have kind of sucked them into this internet black hole. I know that some of you have people

00:57:11.840 in your life and they believe that they're on the side of truth, but you can just see that it's

00:57:16.660 stolen the joy and the contentment, um, and really the moral compass from their lives,

00:57:21.500 you should be praying for those people to 100%. Um, all right, we've got just a little bit more.

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00:58:54.140 All right, to close this out for today, let's do a voicemail.

00:58:59.300 Hi, Allie.

00:59:00.220 My question is, my husband and I believe differently on secondary doctrinal issues, mainly communion and baptism.

00:59:07.640 He believes in pedo-baptism, and I believe in believer's baptism.

00:59:11.520 My question is, I'm trying to be a loving and submissive wife, but I'm unsure if I should be submitting to him in this, 0.96

00:59:17.800 or if I should submit to what I know to be true according to God's word.

00:59:23.240 Thank you for all you do.

00:59:24.240 oh i think that this is such a great question and can be really difficult so i think one

00:59:32.360 important thing is that you're not argumentative and nagging about this obviously it is really

00:59:38.100 important these doctrinal issues matter i don't want to minimize that but at the same time since

00:59:43.860 they are not salvific um at least from your perspective it sounds like because you call

00:59:49.680 them these secondary doctrinal issues, then I would say that there is a time and a place,

00:59:56.640 a proper context in which these can be discussed in a non-emotional, respectful, biblical,

01:00:04.680 and open way without it being a divide that starts to characterize your marriage.

01:00:13.160 I would say that this is something that you should both be open to, that if he has a book

01:00:19.660 or an article or a podcast that he wants you to read or to listen to or a sermon that he wants

01:00:24.820 you to watch, then you should be open to doing that. At the same time, because you are first

01:00:30.740 and foremost a Christian, you should have your Bible open. You should be like the Bereans. You 0.93

01:00:35.760 should be testing these things to see whether or not they're true. And in an open and respectful

01:00:40.780 way, I think that you can go to your husband and you can say, look, I hear you. And here are the

01:00:45.120 points that I think are really compelling that I've never thought about before about, you said

01:00:49.360 paedo-baptism. For those who don't know, that's infant baptism. And here's what I think is

01:00:56.500 compelling. Here's what I'm still getting hung up on. Because the Bible says this, every single

01:01:01.800 instance in scripture is the baptism of someone who had already believed or the household of

01:01:08.020 people who had believed. I don't see any evidence or any example of infant baptism in scripture.

01:01:13.660 So where are we, where are we getting this?

01:01:16.860 Um, and so I think that you can do that in a very like respectful and loving way.

01:01:23.360 And I do think that because this is not salvific, if he says, look, I think that we need to

01:01:29.480 start going to a Presbyterian church, then I do think you as his wife have to say yes

01:01:35.740 and okay, um, to that.

01:01:37.380 Now that would be different if he was like, I think that we should leave the faith altogether.

01:01:41.040 we should start doing something that is clearly against the gospel and clearly unbiblical,

01:01:47.140 then that would be a different story and a different voicemail to answer. And I would

01:01:51.380 have a different answer for you. But in this case, when it comes to these issues and when it comes to

01:01:56.780 the direction that he's leading, I think you can submit respectfully while also standing firm on

01:02:03.500 God's word and truly praying about it yourself. And if it's not something that you can meet eye

01:02:09.760 eye on and it just seems to cause division and argumentation within your marriage, then I think

01:02:17.380 that we rely on that passage that says like there are many wives who have won over their husbands

01:02:22.160 without a word because of their honorable and respectful conduct. It might just be something

01:02:28.400 that you no longer are discussing as often. I think like every disagreement, there is a time

01:02:35.940 and a place and a way to do it that should be edifying and doesn't tear down. But you are right

01:02:43.580 to feel tension about this. We uphold God's word is the only inerrant, infallible source of

01:02:48.600 authority. We also know that wives are called to submit to our husbands and that marriage

01:02:53.220 is a reflection of Christ in the church. It's a representation of Christ's leadership of the

01:02:58.680 church and that that mirroring here on earth really does matter and how we conduct ourselves

01:03:04.160 within marriage matters. And so there is a tension there. And I think that there is a way to navigate

01:03:09.720 it in a way that is godly and God glorifying. Uh, let me know what you think about that. And

01:03:14.540 any of you, if you have good godly biblical insight there, feel free to leave a comment

01:03:19.720 or send a message. All right. Thank you guys so much. That's all we've got time for today.

01:03:23.640 We will be back here on Wednesday.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - July 13, 2026

Ep 1370 ｜ Tyler Robinson Hearing： What You Missed & What’s Next

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