Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1383 ｜ AOC Is Freezing Her Eggs — the Reality She Is Hiding from You

00:00:00.800 AOC harvesting her eggs to be frozen and publicly documenting this process. 1.00

00:00:06.340 She's glamorizing the lie that women can have it all. 1.00

00:00:08.960 We can't have it all because only we can bear children. 0.99

00:00:11.780 If you are under the delusion that you can do everything you want to do,

00:00:15.200 you can pursue this non-stop 80-hour-a-week career,

00:00:19.160 and then you can get married at 38 and have kids at 42,

00:00:22.220 you are lying to yourself. 0.53

00:00:24.300 And AOC, if she is pushing that idea, she is lying to you.

00:00:30.000 hey y'all welcome to relatable happy wednesday hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far

00:00:44.560 as you can see we're in a little bit of a different setup because right after i record this

00:00:49.460 i will be recording my friday episode with vanessa civage we are sitting down with her after her

00:00:55.440 historic settlement. Remember, we had her on a couple of years ago. She was our Share the Arrows 0.97

00:01:00.480 award winner in 2024, our first ever, because she blew the whistle on Texas Children's, that huge 0.73

00:01:08.140 hospital down in Houston, their illegal practices in prescribing cross-sex hormones, puberty

00:01:14.820 blockers to kids, and also fraudulently using Medicaid to do it. It was crazy. And she bravely

00:01:23.840 came forward and the federal government sicked their authorities on her. And now that the trial

00:01:29.960 is over, she is finally able to tell all and to tell details of the past few years that she has

00:01:36.340 never revealed before. So make sure you tune in on Friday morning to Relatable where we're sitting

00:01:42.000 down with Vanessa. And just one more thing happening on Friday that I've got to promote

00:01:46.640 before we get into the rest of today's episode. I've got another Jubilee debate coming out. So

00:01:51.820 the Jubilee debate that was published back in October that I did was by far the most,

00:01:59.840 I guess I could say popular thing that I've been a part of, maybe the most viewed, but

00:02:06.360 definitely the most discussed. I have people come up to me all the time and they might not know what

00:02:11.920 my podcast is. They've never heard of Relatable, but they're like, oh my gosh, that surrounded

00:02:16.320 debate. I've seen you in that. And so that was such a fun opportunity that I was honored to

00:02:21.500 be a part of. And now I'm going to be a part of another Jubilee debate. This time it's a one-on-one

00:02:27.400 debate. Very different format. And it's about feminism and Christian nationalism, abortion,

00:02:34.380 sexuality, gender. So much was covered. So make sure you tune in on Friday and then we'll be doing

00:02:40.480 a recap episode next week. All right, let's get into today's episode. Y'all might be able to guess

00:02:46.440 what I'm going to talk about because I talked about it on X and I got a ton of blowback for

00:02:51.480 what I said. And that is AOC harvesting her eggs to be frozen and publicly documenting this process.

00:03:00.220 So you've got a lot of people saying just right off the bat, let me say that this is none of your

00:03:04.720 business. You shouldn't be talking about this. You shouldn't be discussing this on the podcast.

00:03:08.460 You shouldn't have commented about it on X. We'll talk about what I said on X and why people got so

00:03:13.820 angry. But let me just say right up front that AOC is chronicling this on social media. Now,

00:03:20.280 what are her motivations for that? We can guess. She says it's to just show women in their 30s who

00:03:27.200 are career driven that this is an option to have children. I don't know. But when you post something

00:03:33.260 for public consumption, you are allowing people to offer their opinions about that thing. And this is

00:03:40.940 not a neutral topic. This fits right into the subjects that we discuss a lot, which is fertility

00:03:46.820 treatments, what it does to a woman's body, the ethical and moral risk of removing conception

00:03:53.060 from sex and removing conception certainly from marriage and all of the potential consequences

00:04:00.820 of that. And so, yeah, we're going to talk about it. AOC, the politician, the fellow millennial

00:04:06.460 that we have been talking about for years

00:04:08.520 is publicly touting the benefits of egg harvesting

00:04:13.080 in your mid-30s, we're gonna talk about it.

00:04:16.540 So if you don't know, she posted this video

00:04:19.640 on her social media showing the injection process

00:04:26.080 that is supposed to stimulate your eggs

00:04:29.840 and so she can go through the process of harvesting them.

00:04:33.780 And she said this in her video, saw one.

00:04:36.460 Deco and I, day one of freezing my eggs. I'm diving into the process and now I've got

00:04:45.720 let's see all of this medicine here. I'm going to inject this first but I got a pro tip from

00:04:56.640 a friend because this injection kind of stings. It kind of burns a little bit.

00:05:03.240 so a friend of mine told me that if you make the first injection first and um let it sit while

00:05:11.920 you're making while you're doing everything else maybe it burns a little less i don't know

00:05:16.580 don't be weird about this even though i know all of you will be

00:05:20.600 so just to explain exactly what she's doing for those of you who don't know

00:05:26.320 this is the stage of the egg freezing process that requires two weeks of daily hormone shots 0.98

00:05:32.080 So follicle stimulating drugs to make the sacs inside a woman's ovary that hold the egg grow. 0.98

00:05:39.600 And then you also have the drug to keep the eggs from being released until a doctor can retrieve them.

00:05:48.560 So that's what she's doing here. 1.00

00:05:51.640 She has like this two-step process of injecting herself with hormones so that the eggs will be ready to be harvested. 1.00

00:06:00.980 and then she will go to her doctor's office and she'll be given either just medication to mitigate 0.99

00:06:08.020 the pain. There's actually a whole New York Times podcast about this and how painful this can be and

00:06:13.480 how women sometimes are just not treated well in these situations. Sometimes they're put under

00:06:18.460 completely and so they'll harvest the eggs and then they will be removed and they will be

00:06:24.620 flash frozen and then they will remain frozen until AOC decides that she, you know, maybe if

00:06:32.780 she has a sperm donor, sperm seller, or maybe she finds someone that she wants to have children with 0.95

00:06:38.320 and wants to give his sperm. And then she will likely go through the IVF process, which we've 0.99

00:06:43.800 detailed many times on this show, in order to create her child. Those embryos will be, or an

00:06:50.580 embryo could be transferred into her womb and she could have her own child or she might depending 1.00

00:06:57.520 on when she wants to have children she could have a surrogate and she could try to create the 1.00

00:07:02.560 embryos or transfer the embryos and grow the embryos gestate them that way it still could be 0.99

00:07:09.600 she's 36 years old that she is able to have her own children naturally in the next several years

00:07:17.280 but it looks like she is kind of already betting that that's not going to happen and that she is

00:07:23.520 planning to use IVF, possibly surrogacy in the future in order to have children. She's shared

00:07:31.400 that she has been thinking about freezing her eggs and saving money for the process for years.

00:07:36.160 She wanted to share her journey because she believes she said that women generally are not

00:07:40.640 taught enough about their bodies. True. And need more examples of living full lives with every 1.00

00:07:48.180 kind of choice. Okay. That's one way to think of it. She acknowledged there would be pushback for

00:07:52.940 being so public about her process, but she was willing to take that risk for the sake of

00:07:56.760 empowerment. Okay. That's great. At least she knows there's going to be pushback from people

00:08:00.840 like me and she's willing to take that. So for all of you out there who say it's none of your

00:08:04.460 business, you shouldn't talk about it. At least AOC is tough enough to know that if she's going

00:08:08.320 to publicize this, there's going to be public commentary about it. And it has consequences,

00:08:13.140 not just for AOC, but for all of the women that she is advertising to. Because she is conveying

00:08:18.680 a message. She's not just vlogging about her daily life. She is conveying a message. She is

00:08:22.780 making a case. She is saying that this is an acceptable way to live your life. This is how

00:08:29.440 you can order your years, order your priorities. And this is what it looks like, a version of what

00:08:35.120 it looks like to live a full life, to defer marriage, to defer motherhood, to pursue other

00:08:41.180 things, and then you could have this insurance policy of harvesting your eggs, and then you can

00:08:45.780 still have everything that you want later on. Well, is that actually true? Is that probable?

00:08:52.060 Is that a healthy message to be conveying to young women? I don't think so. And that's why we're 0.99

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00:11:32.160 code Allie. Okay, here is AOC talking more about how egg freezing equals to her empowerment,

00:11:45.680 saw too. This is a choice that I am making to feel more in control of my life. And

00:11:56.760 if people want to make assumptions about my decision, let them make those assumptions.

00:12:06.440 I feel empowered to make this choice. I think it's a very privileged position that I've been able

00:12:14.540 to be able to make okay empowered in control that's kind of the tell right there she wants

00:12:24.440 to be in control she doesn't want to put it up to chance she doesn't want to trust god with this

00:12:29.680 she doesn't want to see how things shake out she wants to take control what do we always say when

00:12:36.240 technology takes us from what is natural to what is possible we have to ask what is this moral

00:12:40.740 Is this ethical for Christians?

00:12:43.100 Is this biblical? 0.99

00:12:44.380 Is this right?

00:12:44.940 So often when we take a natural process into our own hands, not always, but so often there

00:12:52.360 are other consequences to that that we at least have to consider.

00:12:55.820 And that is one problem with how I see AOC presenting this as consequence-less, as on

00:13:01.520 the same moral level as getting married, having children naturally, prioritizing motherhood.

00:13:08.220 So this is how I responded to this on X that sent so many people on X into a tizzy.

00:13:14.780 So here's what I said.

00:13:15.800 I said, number one, she's been with the same guy for years.

00:13:18.520 She's been with the same guy reportedly since college and they were engaged at one point.

00:13:25.740 I said, she's been with the same guy for years.

00:13:27.560 There's no reason that she couldn't have had kids yet. 1.00

00:13:30.260 Number two, she will now require, if she uses these frozen eggs to then create embryos, 1.00

00:13:34.620 require IVF or surrogacy to have a baby, which will always come with ethical and health risks 1.00

00:13:40.280 that the baby is forced to bear, because of course that's true. And let me pause and just

00:13:45.100 elucidate that for a second. For those of you who are new, if you are using IVF nine times out of

00:13:51.520 10, okay, nine times out of 10. So I don't need to hear about the one exception that you represent

00:13:55.380 out there. I understand there are exceptions. Nine times out of 10, that is going to require

00:13:59.820 creating embryos, grading those embryos to see how healthy they are, and then discarding those

00:14:05.740 embryos based on whether they have some chromosomal anomaly that could equal something

00:14:10.540 like Down syndrome. So you've got eugenics right from the start of the creation of those embryos. 0.91

00:14:16.820 And then so often women make more embryos than they would ever transfer. And so you've got 0.83

00:14:22.160 multiple embryos, say four embryos on ice because they weren't the gender that you wanted, or they

00:14:27.480 didn't make the cut and you're left with this ethical issue of whether you freeze them indefinitely,

00:14:31.520 you abandon them, you adopt them out to strangers, or you destroy them, or you dedicate them to

00:14:37.160 science. And so these are living people. If we believe that a person is a person, no matter how

00:14:42.080 small, that all people are made in God's image from the moment of conception onward, then we

00:14:46.660 have to think long and hard about the consequences of IVF that is almost always the result of first

00:14:53.860 freezing your ex, okay? So that's what I'm talking about when I'm talking about the ethical and health

00:14:58.780 risks that are carried by these babies. It's disordered. We as adults make sacrifices on

00:15:06.920 behalf of babies. We don't ask babies to make sacrifices on behalf of us. And so often embryos

00:15:12.700 are required to sacrifice themselves or their right to live and to be born for our wants and

00:15:20.720 for our demands and that is wrong same with surrogacy you are ripping that child away from

00:15:26.120 the only home he or she has ever known at the point of birth and you are planning to do that

00:15:32.100 unlike with adoption and so that is also unethical in all of these situations we are asking these

00:15:38.640 children to do hard things to fulfill our wants and that is wrong okay so that is probably the

00:15:44.920 path that she's going to go down. So we have just begun with this egg harvesting all of the potential

00:15:51.640 ethical quandaries that she could find herself in. Okay, so that's my second point. It's mostly

00:15:58.520 why I'm talking about this. And then number three, this is just true. It is very rare, even via egg

00:16:03.580 freezing and IVF, that a woman is able to get pregnant after 40. Most of the embryos she creates 1.00

00:16:08.980 will never see the light of day if AOC does indeed go on to create embryos. Now, people were mad about

00:16:14.600 this. I understand the internet is a difficult place because we're reading fast. There's a lot

00:16:19.800 going on. So I don't want to like condemn everyone, but it's also, I've just realized most people

00:16:24.860 cannot think in terms of statistically or in general, or as a rule, they are always thinking

00:16:32.160 about how they represent the exception and they have to negate the rule because of their one

00:16:36.820 anecdote that proves the exception. This is not me saying that you should never get pregnant after

00:16:41.900 40, or it's impossible to get pregnant after 40, or that it's always wrong to get pregnant

00:16:45.980 after 40. 0.98

00:16:47.100 There are women who they either didn't find the right person, they get pregnant after

00:16:51.400 40 after they get married, or there are women who couldn't have a baby until after 40 and

00:16:57.260 they have a baby.

00:16:58.720 There are all different kinds of reasons a woman might get pregnant after 40 and they

00:17:02.380 can all be beautiful.

00:17:03.260 But when you are purposely deferring it, then you are choosing a much more difficult fertility 0.88

00:17:13.240 path that's just true.

00:17:14.660 Biology is actually real.

00:17:17.200 We have a window of time in which our fertility peaks and then it goes way down.

00:17:23.080 And people think that IVF and egg freezing, that that's a guarantee of pregnancy.

00:17:27.720 It's not a guarantee of pregnancy.

00:17:29.600 It is very, very difficult for you to be able to gestate that child after 40.

00:17:36.260 Not impossible, but much more difficult.

00:17:38.960 God made our bodies to function a certain way.

00:17:41.860 And so you're going through all of these hormones.

00:17:44.060 You're going through all of this money.

00:17:45.360 You're taking all of these ethical risks.

00:17:47.580 And there is absolutely no guarantee.

00:17:50.020 In fact, the percentage, the chance is very low of you actually being able to gestate

00:17:54.060 and birth that child.

00:17:55.680 Okay, fourth point.

00:17:57.100 Purposely deferring motherhood.

00:17:59.260 Into your 40s.

00:18:00.020 This is not talked about enough.

00:18:01.560 When we talk about when to have children, as long as it depends on you.

00:18:07.000 I'm not talking about, you know, you can't help it. 0.99

00:18:09.300 But purposely deferring motherhood into her 40s means removing the possibility of her 1.00

00:18:14.540 kids knowing their grandparents and probably removing the possibility of her grandkids 0.99

00:18:19.220 knowing her.

00:18:20.200 That is selfish.

00:18:21.280 That is just not a repercussion that is discussed enough when we are talking about the average

00:18:26.580 age of marriage going up so much over the decades, and the average age of having your

00:18:32.060 first child going up so much over the decades.

00:18:35.620 Again, if it's out of your control, okay, it's out of your control.

00:18:39.160 But purposely pursuing your career first and saying, I don't want to settle down until

00:18:43.740 I'm 38, and then I don't want to have kids until I'm 40.

00:18:47.580 That is selfish.

00:18:49.220 It's not good for you.

00:18:50.840 It's likely not to end in an actual pregnancy.

00:18:54.180 You're probably then going to pursue all of these dangerous methods, both for you and

00:18:59.500 the baby.

00:19:00.220 And then your parents don't get to be around for them.

00:19:03.100 And you probably don't get to be around for your grandkids.

00:19:06.200 Like, I don't think that we realize the value of the wisdom and the presence and the stability

00:19:13.700 that is offered by grandparents.

00:19:18.020 I just think we take that for granted.

00:19:20.620 It used to be, of course, that you would know your grandparents.

00:19:23.020 You would know your great-grandparents, maybe even beyond that for at least a few years.

00:19:29.240 But now, I mean, our kids barely have any time with their grandparents at all because

00:19:34.840 in some cases of the choices that we are making.

00:19:38.540 And again, with all of this, we're never asking, well, what are the consequences for the kid?

00:19:44.500 Like, maybe it's not good for them to not grow up around grandparents.

00:19:48.600 maybe it's not good for them to only have the option of parents who have no energy to meet

00:19:54.380 all of their needs. Again, I'm talking about the purposeful choice to defer motherhood into your

00:20:00.200 40s or fatherhood into your 40s. There are selfish reasons for that. Okay, number five,

00:20:07.400 freezing your eggs is horrible for your health. It is horrible for your health. It's the same

00:20:12.460 thing as like the consequences of a man. It's not the same thing, but we also talk about the

00:20:17.780 consequences of this when a man is injecting estrogen into his body to try to present like

00:20:22.860 a woman. Okay. You have a man's body. You have XY chromosomes. You're not supposed to have that 0.82

00:20:26.980 much estrogen. Like that's why if you did have that much estrogen, doctors would look at your

00:20:31.180 blood work and they would say something's wrong. We got to fix that. But we are putting artificial

00:20:35.640 estrogen into men so they can present as women. And we're like, oh yeah, it's totally fine. 1.00

00:20:39.660 And then we're doing the same thing to women who want to present as men. We're injecting 0.99

00:20:43.120 testosterone. Again, if you were a woman who presented with that high amount of testosterone, 0.95

00:20:48.360 doctors would sound the alarm and they would try to do something to fix it. But we're purposely 0.72

00:20:52.140 inducing that. And now we see it's bad for your health. It can deteriorate your genitalia. It is

00:20:58.520 horrible for your internal hormones. It seems to be very bad for your mental health and that it

00:21:05.320 increases aggression and thoughts of violence and depression and all of that. And so whenever we

00:21:11.760 inject our body with artificial hormones, whether it's through hormonal birth control or whether

00:21:17.320 it's through cross-sex hormones or whether it's the hormones to induce ovulation so your eggs will

00:21:23.160 be ripe for harvesting so then you can go flash freeze them, there are going to be consequences

00:21:27.960 for that. There are going to be side effects. There are studies that show that there is a link

00:21:33.420 between freezing your eggs and even the hormonal process of IVF and breast cancer and ovarian

00:21:40.700 cancer. We talked to a sweet woman a few years ago who was a surrogate. It was a horrible story.

00:21:47.180 Her name was Brittany. And I believe this was the first podcast where she shared her story. And she

00:21:52.300 was a surrogate for two gay men who wanted to gestate their child. They found out that Brittany

00:21:58.020 had cancer and they wanted her to abort the child. Well, she didn't have to abort the child. She could 0.71

00:22:02.840 do preterm delivery. They didn't want to deal with the preemie baby. And they were like, 1.00

00:22:06.800 we're not taking care of your child. We don't want you to adopt the child. We don't want you 0.99

00:22:09.700 to take care of the child after birth, and so you have to deliver the child. She delivered the child 1.00

00:22:15.260 at 24 weeks. The child died. Horrible, horrible situation. But she had been a surrogate multiple

00:22:21.700 times, and she had breast cancer. And she possibly, she was with her doctors exploring

00:22:31.460 the possibility of the connection between her surrogacy journeys, and the IVF was required for

00:22:36.820 them, and the cancer that she was now having to get chemotherapy for. When we inject our bodies

00:22:43.600 with things that they are not supposed to have at levels that are not being naturally created

00:22:49.200 to do something that our body was not naturally created to do, which was carry an embryo that

00:22:54.520 isn't ours, all kinds of consequences possibly exist. And again, we're just not supposed to

00:23:00.920 think about that. We're supposed to think, oh, you have more control, you're more empowered,

00:23:04.140 At least you can be a representative for the state of New York until you're 38 years old

00:23:08.580 and possibly run for president.

00:23:10.500 Who cares how that affects your body, your future health, and your kids? 1.00

00:23:14.620 And then number six, she's glamorizing the lie that women can have it all. 1.00

00:23:18.820 The truth is we can't. 1.00

00:23:20.320 No one can have it all. 1.00

00:23:21.360 It's not just women, but it is unique why we can't have it all. 1.00

00:23:25.920 We can't have it all because only we can bear children. 0.98

00:23:28.820 And there is only a period of time that you can bear children.

00:23:32.060 There may be another time for you to be able to pursue the things that preclude you from

00:23:38.300 motherhood.

00:23:39.040 It is possible to have a kind of work where you can prioritize motherhood in the home

00:23:44.100 and you are also able to have your Etsy shop or host your podcast where you record a couple

00:23:49.780 times a week.

00:23:50.660 It is possible to be able to do those kinds of things at the same time, but this kind

00:23:56.000 of non-stop, ambitious, time-consuming work at the same time that your body is primed to have

00:24:06.240 kids. You got to pick one or the other. That is the reality. I just want young women out there

00:24:12.840 to hear, if you want children, if you want children and you want to be married, now is the

00:24:19.760 time to prioritize that. Now is the time. Your 20s and 30s are the time to make sure that you are in

00:24:27.020 a position to meet the right guy. You are ready to dedicate the time and the effort and the love

00:24:36.720 and the attention that is necessary to raising those children. Now is the time. You might in

00:24:44.820 your 40s and 50s once all of your kids are in school have more time to be like the ambitious

00:24:50.940 go-getter that you want to be perhaps I don't know depends on what you want to do but you are

00:24:57.520 probably going to have to rearrange your life if that is the outcome that you that you want

00:25:04.740 some jobs again some work is conducive to also having young kids it is possible but being a 0.98

00:25:12.780 Congresswoman really isn't. Running for president really isn't. Biology is real. How you order your

00:25:20.800 life can make or break your future. So just understand that. If you are under the delusion

00:25:26.740 that you can do everything you want to do, you can party, you can go from guy to guy,

00:25:30.940 you can pursue this nonstop 80 hour a week career, and then you can get married at 38 and have kids

00:25:37.960 at 42. You are lying to yourself. And AOC, if she is pushing that idea, she is lying to you.

00:25:45.380 That's why I care about this. That's why I care about this journey. It is bad for you.

00:25:49.660 It's potentially bad for babies. And it is bad for our country when our kids don't have

00:25:54.580 grandkids anymore. And when we are not reproducing because you believed this idea that having babies

00:26:03.500 in your 40s is just as likely as having babies in your late 20s. It's not. It's not. You can be mad

00:26:09.060 at me all you want to, but you can scream at the sky about biology, but it is real. It is real.

00:26:16.640 You don't freeze your eggs to only then pursue IVF and surrogacy and all of those things.

00:26:22.700 Order your life in a way that is conducive to marriage and having children. That's the way to

00:26:28.220 go. Now, we have learned some things about AOC and her political pursuits and her personal life

00:26:36.280 that would make me not, well, I guess one of the points that I made, I would probably caveat a

00:26:42.560 little bit or I would change a little bit. And then some other points have now been illuminated

00:26:49.140 a little bit more because of what seems to be going on in her life. So we'll get into that in

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00:28:16.640 Okay. So apparently AOC is not actually engaged. She hasn't been engaged. It was just reported

00:28:25.060 just a few days ago that she and her ex-fiance had called it off about 18 months ago. And so

00:28:33.600 that is the one thing that I would say is that she is apparently not with someone that she wants

00:28:39.560 to have children with. And instead, she is going on rants about dating losers, top five. 0.98

00:28:46.640 A lot of these people who pressure women into having kids at a young age or trying to create 0.97

00:28:54.900 hysteria around being too old, etc. What they're trying to do is rush you into having a relationship

00:29:01.620 with a loser. By a loser, I mean someone who doesn't respect women, someone who doesn't 0.99

00:29:07.600 respect you, someone who doesn't treat you well, someone that doesn't support your growth.

00:29:13.220 okay so I don't know if she's trying to passive aggressively talk about her ex-fiance certainly no

00:29:21.140 one would accuse them of rushing into anything they were together for like 15 years of their

00:29:25.620 life and so it wouldn't have been rushing if they had gotten married a few years ago I mean it's

00:29:31.040 okay that they broke up I have said many times it's better to be single and sad than to be married

00:29:35.820 and trapped like you shouldn't settle for someone who is not respectful you shouldn't settle for

00:29:40.040 someone who is not a good person. You shouldn't settle for someone who hates women, although I'm

00:29:45.500 not really sure her definitions of those things. No one is saying that, that I know of. I certainly

00:29:50.600 have not given that advice, that you should just settle down and marry whoever comes along.

00:29:56.300 I am so glad that I waited until I knew without a doubt that this is the person that I wanted to

00:30:03.360 be with for the rest of my life, and I didn't have any doubt in my mind. And I do see a lot of women 0.97

00:30:08.420 who are making decisions based on being afraid 0.91

00:30:11.640 that this guy is the last chopper out of NAMM

00:30:14.400 and he's not a good guy and he shouldn't be with them.

00:30:18.080 I would never recommend that you do that. 0.99

00:30:21.880 I recommend that if you are a Christian woman,

00:30:24.940 that you find a Christian man who loves the Lord

00:30:29.040 with all of his heart, mind, soul, and strength

00:30:31.020 and who loves you, has the same values as you,

00:30:35.280 who will cherish you.

00:30:36.340 And also, yes, I do think some Christians debate this, which I don't think it should

00:30:40.480 be debated.

00:30:40.900 I think you should be attracted to the person.

00:30:43.120 I don't think it should just be something where he has all of these characteristics on

00:30:46.440 paper.

00:30:47.080 You should be attracted to him.

00:30:48.300 You should want to be around him.

00:30:49.900 You should laugh with him.

00:30:51.000 You should share a sense of humor with him.

00:30:52.740 You should have fun with him.

00:30:54.380 All of those things, those romantic parts of love and falling in love, I also think

00:30:58.760 are really important.

00:31:00.320 At the same time, I do think today I see this online among both men and women.

00:31:06.340 the, um, like the, the specifications that young men and women today have for their future spouse.

00:31:16.340 I would say, especially in the Christian circle, it is like, it's ridiculously specific. Okay. 0.79

00:31:22.020 I've talked to people who are like, I just really feel convicted that this is the eye color

00:31:25.880 that God wants me to have. I have this vision of this person who I'm supposed to marry. And I

00:31:29.880 haven't seen this person yet. And I'm just, sometimes I'm like, you guys are thinking way

00:31:34.320 too hard. I don't know if you read Abigail Schreier's advice column for the free press. I

00:31:39.860 find it to be like very entertaining. I don't always agree with everything because we're not

00:31:44.340 coming from the same Christian worldview, but she makes some good points. There was someone who wrote

00:31:49.480 into Abigail Schreier saying, look, this woman that I'm with meets all of my criteria. She is

00:31:54.860 by far on paper, the best person that I've ever been with. And I don't understand why when I leave

00:32:01.040 her presence, I am depressed and I feel exhausted. And Abigail Schreier basically says, yeah,

00:32:06.020 you don't love her. You're not in love with her. And that's, that's it. Like, that's the kind of

00:32:11.480 thing I'm talking about is that young people today are so overly obsessed with all of these

00:32:18.700 different specifications, um, that they, I do think that you forget, like, you, you need to

00:32:25.820 love the person. And people used to tell me when you know, you know, and that was really annoying

00:32:30.460 to me until I met my husband and then I was like oh I totally get it when you know you know

00:32:34.980 and also they need to be a strong believer and share your values be a hard worker there are

00:32:40.980 obviously qualities that you need to look for beyond your feelings but feelings also matter

00:32:45.620 too but people like AOC are pushing this idea that you can't it seems to me that she is basically

00:32:53.000 saying you can't possibly find that person young and settle down young without settling for some

00:32:57.520 kind of like misogynist. I mean, that's just crazy. We're just pointing out that biology is

00:33:03.540 real. It is real. It's not paranoia. It's just wisdom. You know, like Proverbs depicts wisdom

00:33:10.000 shouting into the street, being like, who's going to follow me? Hello, over here. AOC,

00:33:17.180 that's what wisdom is doing for you. AOC, hello, wisdom, discernment, reality, biology. It's over

00:33:24.960 here. We're trying to get your attention. And it's very difficult because then you see the

00:33:31.100 depiction of like wisdom's foil throughout Proverbs, who is leading people into temptation

00:33:36.960 and temporary pleasure, things that sound good, but lead you down a path of destruction. That's

00:33:42.360 what's going on here. That's why it's so important to wade into this kind of debate. It's very

00:33:48.200 simple. Don't date a loser. Don't marry a guy who isn't respectful and doesn't love you, but do 1.00

00:33:54.620 as long as it depends on you try to find a good guy and get married and have kids if that's 0.75

00:33:59.560 something that the lord is calling you to do okay the path that she is pursuing of political

00:34:05.680 ambition and hoping to have kids via egg freezing and embryo creation in her 40s trust me that is

00:34:11.200 not going to be the path that leads to fulfillment and happiness and satisfaction in fact it's just

00:34:16.480 going to end up leading to a lot of disappointment. That's what it's going to do. Just some numbers

00:34:25.260 about this so you know that I'm not just gaslighting here. I'm not just like making things

00:34:30.780 up. These are not pro-life Christian studies. These are just academic studies. UCLA study

00:34:36.640 found that only 5.7% of women who froze their eggs between 2014 and 2016 actually used them

00:34:43.440 within five to seven years, things just don't end up panning out. And again, it's very difficult

00:34:50.920 once you're over the age of 40 to actually be able to produce those babies. It's also extremely

00:34:58.000 expensive. AOC has already talked about this. The price of freezing your eggs, $8,000 out of pocket

00:35:03.460 and then $1,200 annually for storage. The whole procedure costs about $12,000 to $15,000 per cycle.

00:35:13.440 This is another thing when people tell me, oh, it's too expensive to have children.

00:35:17.860 Like, that's why we're not having kids in this economy.

00:35:20.400 And then you have someone who is touting a procedure that can cost you $15,000.

00:35:26.560 It's a lot.

00:35:27.380 The most severe side effect of freezing your eggs is ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome.

00:35:33.500 The ovaries become swollen and very painful.

00:35:36.780 There was also this 2026 research from Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.

00:35:43.440 The incidence of that is unknown, but it shows that it can be as high as 20% of cases of people

00:35:52.480 getting their eggs frozen that you will suffer from that. A 2017, this is interesting, study

00:35:59.340 published in Fertility and Sterility that surveyed women who had had their eggs frozen found that 16%

00:36:05.100 had severe regret over the decision two years later. 33% had mild regret. Wow, that's really,

00:36:12.060 really high. If you compare that to how people feel after other kinds of procedures, you will

00:36:17.820 see that that is extremely high. When you are injecting yourself with hormones again, and you

00:36:22.620 are doing things that affect your body that intimately and that seriously, you're going to

00:36:27.060 have big emotions about it. People don't talk about that. The same thing is true with abortion.

00:36:32.800 We're messing with very intimate and sensitive parts of our bodies without really even talking

00:36:38.380 about the repercussions. It's also just true. There's this whole debate in here about geriatric

00:36:44.580 pregnancy and people are like, oh, it's so rude to say geriatric and all that, which I understand.

00:36:49.460 Look, I'm 34. I'm on the edge. If like we had another child when I'm 36, there's probably

00:36:54.960 going to be some older OBGYN that's like, hey, geriatric pregnancy. Wow. How did this happen?

00:37:01.740 And I understand like why that can feel offensive because you're 36 years old and having

00:37:08.360 a child, it's not geriatric. We think of geriatric as like 75 years old. But even if we change the

00:37:15.860 name, that doesn't change the risk that comes with getting pregnant after the age of 35. Maternal age

00:37:22.980 of 35 and older, this is according to the Cleveland Clinic, is associated with a higher

00:37:27.560 likelihood of complications such as high blood pressure, preeclampsia, gestational diabetes,

00:37:32.600 miscarriage, C-section. And that is not just a risk for the mom, it's also a risk for the baby.

00:37:37.740 data from the society for assisted reproductive technology show that about 53.1 percent of women

00:37:43.280 under 35 achieved a live birth after one egg retrieval cycle compared with only 4.2 percent

00:37:50.160 of women over 42 so again you just can't beat biology you can't overcome it it's kind of like

00:37:58.380 a you know a beach ball you can keep pushing it underwater truth in all cases certainly scientific

00:38:04.120 truth is going to keep popping back up. You know, this whole thing was really considered

00:38:10.860 experimental in 2012. There had only been about 500 births from people who had retrieved their

00:38:17.100 eggs and gone through this process of creating these embryos. It's much more popular now and

00:38:23.420 it doesn't have to do with the economy. It has to do with our culture. It has to do with where we

00:38:28.620 are spiritually. It has to do with the fact that if you poll women, women are much more likely now 0.60

00:38:33.620 to be progressive. About 65% of women consider themselves progressive Democrats. When you ask

00:38:40.980 Gen Z women what their priorities are, what their goals are in life, getting married and having 1.00

00:38:45.560 children is extremely low. Not true of Gen Z men. It's mostly you want a career, you want financial 0.99

00:38:52.740 independence. I think social media has a big impact on that as well. And so that's why we're

00:38:59.440 seeing this kind of deferred and delayed motherhood and taking these risky choices both for you and

00:39:06.900 for the baby and AOC is really the representation of that now a lot of people are also talking about

00:39:14.040 AOC's political ambitions and how she seems to be doing all of this you know breaking up with or the

00:39:22.500 news of her breaking up with her boyfriend is being published she's talking about freezing her eggs

00:39:27.280 And then she's also saying things like this in interviews.

00:39:31.600 Woke One was crazy.

00:39:33.820 Woke One was crazy.

00:39:35.260 And I think that what's important is that we have to assess what a candidate is saying.

00:39:40.680 Was it? I mean, did the movement go too far with some of those positions?

00:39:43.480 I mean, you briefly supported the idea of defunding the police.

00:39:47.200 Well, you know, I think that during this time and during, especially during COVID,

00:39:54.580 there was a huge opening of the Overton window.

00:39:56.860 we were shut down. There was some of the highest unemployment rates that we have seen because of

00:40:01.040 those shutdowns. And I think that the doors were really open in trying to entertain any and every

00:40:08.120 policy that was going to get us to a better place. Okay, we don't have time to interpret

00:40:15.000 all of that, but she's distancing herself from what she calls Woke One, which was 2020,

00:40:21.040 which there were just a few surviving generals of Woke One

00:40:26.860 that led you, especially women, out of Woke One

00:40:30.980 with your sanity and dignity intact. 0.94

00:40:34.160 AOC was not one of those women.

00:40:36.240 She was one of those people who was echoing all of the madness

00:40:40.280 about systemic racism and hailing George Floyd a hero,

00:40:45.720 calling for the abolition of the police.

00:40:47.720 she knows now that now that we're out of 2020 and calling for all kinds of mandates and taking away

00:40:54.320 freedoms under COVID, she knows now that all that stuff is very unpopular. And if she's got to reach

00:41:01.060 moderates and she's got to reach independence, then she's got to appeal to as many people as

00:41:05.720 possible. So she's distancing herself from woke one. We wouldn't say that kind of stuff anymore.

00:41:12.160 So what you're saying is that you're super caught up in emotion and you'll say anything that feels

00:41:17.380 good at the time, even if it's not true? Hmm, I don't think that's the one I want to vote for.

00:41:23.300 But what she's doing does appeal to a lot of people, and it does garner a lot of sympathy.

00:41:30.740 And so I do see how all of this kind of plays together if she is going to run in 2028.

00:41:39.340 um now do i think she's gonna win the primary probably not but i think that she'll be a

00:41:47.780 contender i think that she'll absolutely be a contender and she's garnering a lot of sympathy

00:41:52.160 she knows what she's doing like i said most women are progressive and her narrative to

00:41:57.160 most progressive women right now is extremely sympathetic and extremely relatable remember

00:42:03.940 if you feel like, oh, you know, maybe I do like AOC. You know, I think that AOC and I could

00:42:09.820 probably, you know, have some things to talk about that we would agree on to. Like in another world,

00:42:18.220 maybe AOC and I could be friends. So I'm not trying to condemn her entirely. I'm just saying

00:42:22.540 just to remember what she represents. She remembers, she represents the most radical

00:42:29.520 side of progressivism, the most secular and demonic side of abortion and transgenderism 0.99

00:42:34.180 and sexuality, all this stuff that is truly destroying and preying upon children, like

00:42:38.340 AOC stands for it. 0.94

00:42:40.000 So don't fall for these relatable stories and the seemingly relatable fertility journey

00:42:45.720 like she is representing something that is extremely damaging for young women, both physically,

00:42:50.880 mentally, and then I would also say spiritually.

00:42:54.040 All right, let's get into the rest of today's episode.

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00:44:14.920 Allie. All right. So we pray for AOC. Children are a blessing. Her desire to become a mom is

00:44:26.200 a good desire and I want her to fulfill that. I want her to find a good godly man and I want her

00:44:31.860 to get married and I want her to have kids and I want her to experience the joy of motherhood. I

00:44:35.680 think that she would be a good mom. Obviously, I think that her values and her thoughts on a lot

00:44:40.860 of things should shift, but it also changes you for the better. So yeah, I hope that the Lord would

00:44:48.120 save her, would help her, would point her in the right direction and that she follows that path

00:44:52.080 instead. All right. Now we've got to talk about something super important that you've heard me

00:44:58.280 discuss before, but we've got firsthand accounts from the Daughters of the American Revolution.

00:45:03.420 They are trying to redefine what it means to be a daughter, and they want to include sons who

00:45:08.680 identify as daughters in the Daughters of the American Revolution. Well, we've got a couple

00:45:12.660 Christian women, related girls, raising a respectful ruckus for the things that matter, 1.00

00:45:18.360 for the Christian roots and for the definition of womanhood that is inherent in Daughters of 1.00

00:45:23.040 the American Revolution. I'm talking to two members today that need our help. So without

00:45:28.820 further ado, here they are. Laura, Juliet, thanks so much for taking the time to join us.

00:45:38.640 We talked on the show about what is going on with the Daughters of the American Revolution,

00:45:43.860 and both of your names were sent to me multiple times by people who are familiar with everything

00:45:48.980 going on. If you could each introduce yourself, Laura, you first, just tell us how long you've

00:45:54.780 been a part of the DAR. Hi, Alliebeth. Thank you for having me. My name is Laura McDonald. I'm a

00:46:01.160 member of the DAR. I'm here just speaking in my capacity as a member, private citizen,

00:46:07.060 not speaking on behalf of the DAR. I've been a member since 2018, and it wasn't until 2023

00:46:13.560 that we've learned about this issue that's been going on within the DAR.

00:46:19.860 And Juliette, what about you? What's your history with the DAR?

00:46:24.060 Thank you again for having us. I joined the DAR in December of 2023. Proud to be a first

00:46:31.020 generation daughter and learned about the men be admitted shortly after. And that's about the same

00:46:37.660 time when Laura and I met. Okay. So just as a reminder for people, um, Laura, if you could

00:46:44.940 tell us what exactly are you referring to? What happened in 2023 that started to sound the alarms

00:46:50.900 for you? Right. So in 2023, there was a bylaw amendment that added anti-additional, uh, or I'm

00:46:59.880 sorry, it added additional anti-discrimination language to our bylaws. So there was already

00:47:04.140 a clause that said members could not discriminate against an eligible applicant,

00:47:09.100 but there was a proposal to amend those bylaws to add additional language. So you can't

00:47:15.380 discriminate against an applicant based on race, religion, sexual orientation, age,

00:47:20.480 disability, or any other characteristic protected by applicable law. And so that got members,

00:47:25.860 you know, wondering, does this have anything to do with this new thing that's taking hold in the

00:47:30.540 country of, you know, transgender ideology. And that question came up on the floor there at

00:47:35.480 Continental Congress. And the question was asked, does this mean that we cannot turn away a man who

00:47:41.520 has an amended birth certificate? And the answer was, no, you cannot. That would be illegal

00:47:46.560 discrimination. And there was some back and forth. Let me just play that clip again so the audience

00:47:54.560 can remember what went on there. With the proposed change in wording to the bylaw,

00:48:00.060 Would our chapters be able to still vote not to admit into our chapter a person

00:48:06.560 whose birth certificate has been altered by their state to indicate they are

00:48:11.260 female even though they were born a male?

00:48:14.560 I'm going to say, yes, if their birth certificate says they're a female and you 1.00

00:48:19.560 vote against them based on by their protected class, it's discrimination.

00:48:26.260 juliette what was the response when you got that when you heard that very strange answer that well

00:48:35.860 yeah you can't discriminate against someone just because they're a man

00:48:41.040 it was actually surprising and somewhat shocking um when i joined the dar i joined as an opportunity

00:48:50.400 to continue to serve my son and i had served in a different capacity um when he was younger but i

00:48:55.840 didn't have an opportunity to serve with my daughters. And so that was a great draw for me

00:49:00.340 and the DAR to be able to trace back lineage, to be able to join, but then also to be able to serve

00:49:08.660 and give back with my daughters. And that was something that I was really looking forward to.

00:49:12.420 So when I heard that DAR was admitting men, I felt a bit betrayed and truly puzzled because

00:49:22.020 that was completely not what I understood the organization was all about.

00:49:27.700 So Laura, tell me what you think is behind this, because from my understanding, the Daughters

00:49:33.000 of the American Revolution was started with Christian principles, obviously American principles

00:49:38.660 and pride and the courage that was displayed by those who fought for America's independence,

00:49:45.360 but also the prayers, the scriptures that have been interwoven into the DAR identity since the

00:49:54.120 beginning, to me, seems completely opposed to what is happening now, this openness to accepting men

00:50:02.000 who identify as women. So what is going on behind the scenes that could possibly push

00:50:08.000 the organization in this direction? Well, we have uncovered in the last few years that there are

00:50:16.360 members who hold state and leadership positions who do take the ideological position that trans

00:50:22.460 women are women. So when we first found out about this, we weren't sure if it was just the DAR taking

00:50:27.860 a defensive position because on the one hand, to one group of people, they make the claim that

00:50:33.640 when I say one group of people, I mean people who think more like we all think here,

00:50:38.000 They try to convince us that this is something we have to do because it would be illegal if we exclude these men.

00:50:44.000 So so members are, for lack of a better term, maybe intimidated, maybe with their arm twisted to go along with this.

00:50:52.300 But then you've got others, the president general herself, who are part of a very public Facebook page called Daughters for Inclusivity, who make the claim that trans women are women.

00:51:03.800 And we found some internal documents that make that same claim that trans women are not men.

00:51:09.600 Trans women live and identify as women.

00:51:11.220 So once I was able to piece that together, I knew that it's like something I heard.

00:51:19.520 I say our friend, he's your friend, Mr. Knowles, Michael Knowles, on his show the other day, the long march through the institution.

00:51:25.540 That it's like an institutional takeover where I think they thought they were going to be able to get this in quietly and secretly.

00:51:34.480 But now, since so many eyes are on it, they're being forced to own their ideology.

00:51:40.460 So this push getting away from Christian values, too, is something else that we've uncovered.

00:51:45.780 We didn't realize that until this came about.

00:51:48.580 So Juliette and I, both Christians, our local chapters always prayed in the name of Jesus.

00:51:55.400 And so we didn't put it together that there had been a move at the national level to remove the name of Jesus and to encourage chaplains to say, you pray in your faith as I pray in mine. 0.59

00:52:07.540 And sometimes we wonder, you know, have we put the cart before the horse by trying to rectify this situation of allowing men in the DAR before going back and correcting that?

00:52:16.800 But we didn't know about that before this came to light.

00:52:20.140 So we're not really sure when this push actually happened to try to get away from the D.A.R. being a religious organization.

00:52:29.520 But history shows that it is indeed a religious organization founded on Christian principles specifically.

00:52:39.780 You're right. The first Congress of the Daughters of the American Revolution was held in the Church of Our Father on Wednesday, February 22nd, 1892.

00:52:48.140 It was opened with a prayer, and then there are different ritual options.

00:52:53.120 Obviously, you all know about this much more than I do,

00:52:55.640 but just telling the audience that includes 1 Timothy 6.20, Psalm 16.6, Deuteronomy 8.2,

00:53:03.600 Psalm 33.12, and then a prayer that is very clearly a Christian prayer.

00:53:08.520 It is not an all-faith prayer to the universe, but a Christian prayer.

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00:54:59.340 Alley, code Alley. Juliet, do you know whether the push to take out, you know, Jesus's name or

00:55:12.600 to kind of this push for universalism within the DAR is coming from the same direction,

00:55:18.500 the daughters for inclusivity, or is that something that y'all are still trying to figure out?

00:55:24.060 that's an excellent question we're really not sure still trying to figure that out um i would

00:55:33.540 speculate that that push to remove the name of jesus and to really start to adjust perspective

00:55:42.200 with regard to the rituals and the scriptures being read and prayers being lifted up um i think

00:55:48.200 that probably dates much before this inclusivity group. However, there's no real way for us to

00:55:55.640 know what was going on in the background. So I'm not really sure. These things do seem to be

00:56:02.280 intertwined, not just in this institution, but everywhere. The denial of Christ and the denial

00:56:09.300 of the creator, and then also the denial of the basics of Genesis one, because all of those truths

00:56:15.120 are interwoven. And so my opinion is that you're not putting the cart before the horse. You're

00:56:20.760 taking them one thing at a time, but they also, they go hand in hand. They're different, but

00:56:26.220 they are absolutely connected. So I imagine that all of this is what prompted the formation of the

00:56:33.540 Daughters of the Restoration. Is that right, Laura? Yes, that's right. So when we first found

00:56:39.500 out about this, we were significantly suppressed in our ability to communicate with other chapter

00:56:44.520 members. We were shut down on the DAR social media pages. We were told emphatically that we

00:56:50.240 cannot use our member directories to communicate with each other. There's a circularization policy

00:56:55.000 that says members cannot spread a rumor or, you know, do anything to disturb the harmony, which

00:57:00.140 again, like I've said before, is a great policy when implemented correctly, but should not be

00:57:05.500 used as a cudgel to silence members to talk about legitimate things that are happening within the

00:57:10.140 DAR. And members were even told, you can't even talk about this in a chapter meeting. Don't bring

00:57:15.040 it up. And so Daughters for Restoration was born out of necessity. It started as a Facebook group

00:57:20.680 just to start collaborating with like-minded members. And then it's grown into this 501c3.

00:57:27.220 And now our purpose is to educate members about parliamentary procedure, the law, where we can,

00:57:32.780 getting as many legal opinions as we can to dispel some of these things that our leadership has put

00:57:37.860 out that we must do this or it's illegal. That's what restoration is about right now. But I do

00:57:44.260 envision it becoming something bigger to not only restore the D.A.R. to being one for biological 0.66

00:57:49.720 women, but to restore the name of Jesus and our Christian values.

00:57:55.880 And just to address one thing that you said, Laura, that there are some leadership who is

00:58:02.200 acting like our hands are tied. We have to do this legally. We have to accept men. Is that true?

00:58:07.860 It is not true. The DAR by virtue that the daughters of the American Revolution and discrimination has become a dirty word nowadays, but by nature, it is discriminatory in that there are specific requirements to be a member.

00:58:23.600 You must be a woman, 18 years of age or older, with lineal descent of a patriot. That's not meant to be in any way anti anything other than this is a historic institution that has had eligibility standards since its founding.

00:58:37.860 We know inherently that we have a First Amendment right to the freedom of expression and association.

00:58:44.700 So what leaders have done, the National Board of Management, they had an attorney out of Michigan named Samuel Bagenstos, who's a very liberal trans activist, I would say.

00:58:56.000 He wrote an opinion that was distributed to all the members at Congress.

00:58:59.560 It was the only one that we were able to talk about during the debate that says that a local District of Columbia Human Rights Act trumps our First Amendment right.

00:59:10.560 So because the D.A.R. is headquartered in Washington, D.C., they're saying our First Amendment right means nothing.

00:59:16.400 And this D.C. law reigns supreme.

00:59:20.300 Wow. Wow. And what has the response been to the formation of the Daughters of the Restoration?

00:59:28.020 I imagine that you've had some pushback, Juliet.

00:59:31.640 If initially y'all were basically told, ah, it's all about unity, you can't talk about

00:59:36.500 this, I can just imagine that the leadership isn't super thrilled.

00:59:42.660 You are spot on.

00:59:44.320 They are not thrilled.

00:59:45.580 And in fact, they surprisingly have sidestepped, I would say, some of our bylaws, some of the

00:59:55.260 um, procedures and protocols that a typical organization would follow. Um, and so, yes,

01:00:01.880 you are right. We are receiving a lot of pushback and a lot of heat. Um, but to the contrary, I will

01:00:07.720 say we have also experienced, um, some great support, uh, and the more that the word gets out,

01:00:14.140 they, um, senior leadership has done everything within their power to silence this. And, and

01:00:19.700 to Laura's point has put out circularization policy that said, we cannot discuss it.

01:00:25.260 Chapter Regents will even go to the point to tell their own members that it's forbidden to be talked about.

01:00:31.340 And they shut conversations down on the local level and on the national level.

01:00:35.860 However, with all of that, as we know can happen, God has really opened the floodgates that the information that was trying to be suppressed and silenced has flown and has really spread across the entire nation.

01:00:53.240 And we are gaining, uh, support and like-minded ladies to step up and to gain courage because

01:01:00.940 it's intimidating and they've done their very best to cast fear and intimidation in an attempt 0.86

01:01:06.860 to silence us. And, um, it's not really working. Wow. That's good. You know, Julie, I, I, I have

01:01:15.220 to, I have to ask how big of a problem is this actually from the progressive side of things in

01:01:22.160 that. Are there really a ton of men who identify as women who are trying to join the DAR? I'm just

01:01:30.320 trying to even understand why this is a hill the leadership would want to die on.

01:01:38.020 That is such a great question that we, um, and we're having a hard time wrapping our mind around

01:01:44.000 it. So our organization was founded in 1890 after these founders, these ladies were forbidden,

01:01:51.160 or not allowed to join Sons of the American Revolution.

01:01:55.840 And so that was the very founding of this organization

01:01:58.880 based on women and lineal descent

01:02:03.200 and genealogical standards of practice.

01:02:06.260 And so how or why we are in the position that we are now

01:02:12.120 is really puzzling.

01:02:14.000 And to your point, it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense

01:02:17.560 um, why leadership would be willing to, um, forgo all of this amazing legacy and history that we

01:02:25.900 have for, you know, a handful of men who identify as women. I'm not sure. That's an excellent

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01:03:41.380 Laura, what happens in October?

01:03:47.480 What's supposed to happen in October is a special meeting.

01:03:51.140 We have more than tripled the requirement required for a special meeting.

01:03:56.540 Our bylaws say at the request of 30 chapters in 10 states, the President General shall call a special meeting,

01:04:02.140 which by its nature is set at a time different from that of any regular meeting.

01:04:07.160 So we met that threshold at the first part of this year.

01:04:10.880 And instead of giving us our meeting, per the bylaws, per Robert's Rules of Order, they added our resolution as a vote to Continental Congress.

01:04:19.580 And that's what everybody's been hearing about for the past month or so.

01:04:23.280 So we maintain that in order for our bylaws to have any meaning, to be upheld, that we must have that special meeting.

01:04:30.160 Otherwise, this gets back to what we're talking about, the meaning of words.

01:04:34.660 The word woman has a meaning, has a clear definition.

01:04:37.800 A special meeting has a clear definition.

01:04:40.880 What our leaders are doing are reinterpreting, they're amending those words by interpretation.

01:04:46.820 They're just deciding that, no, we're not going to say that word means this.

01:04:50.000 We're going to say it means that now because it suits us better.

01:04:53.640 We cannot stand for that.

01:04:54.860 We have to push for this special meeting.

01:04:56.980 And what we're hearing over and over is there will be no special meeting.

01:05:00.160 This is a violation of our bylaws.

01:05:01.780 If there is no special meeting, that is a clear violation of our bylaws.

01:05:05.600 So October the 11th, more than 115 chapters in 34 states at this point have sent a resolution to the president general saying, we want a special meeting at our headquarters in Washington, D.C. on October the 11th, 2026.

01:05:20.480 That's the birthday of our founding, Columbus Day.

01:05:23.280 And the president general has been silent.

01:05:27.560 Wow.

01:05:27.920 So as of right now, you don't know, Laura, if that meeting is actually going to happen.

01:05:34.200 We have to operate under the mindset that it is going to happen. Otherwise, again, our bylaws mean nothing. The president general is silent. She is ignoring our many emails. So you can do without what you will. We cannot physically force her to call the special meeting.

01:05:53.040 But if our bylaws mean anything, and if the resolutions of these chapters, these duly adopted resolutions mean anything, we have to operate under the mindset that there will be a special meeting.

01:06:03.840 And, Allie, if I can say one thing, it's come to my attention over the last day or two that I get screenshots of our opposition, things that they're saying about us on the other side.

01:06:15.560 I try my best not to look at what they're saying. But this idea has come about that there's some

01:06:20.020 shadowy figure that's propping us up. Otherwise, how could, you know, small town East Texas

01:06:25.620 chapter members get the attention of Allie Beth Stuckey, get the attention of the Center for

01:06:30.720 American Liberty, get the attention of Representative Kline and all these congressmen

01:06:34.760 that have signed on to this proposal to amend our charter. And the truth is there is nobody lurking

01:06:41.580 in the shadows, but there is somebody in the light and his name is Yeshua, Jesus Christ,

01:06:46.760 the son of God, the one who died for us.

01:06:48.160 And we have called on him and asked for his blessing.

01:06:50.640 And he is the reason all of this has happened.

01:06:53.100 And we do believe that we will see the DAR restored.

01:06:56.200 I believe that he is answering the prayers of those women who founded this organization

01:06:59.940 back in 1890.

01:07:03.780 Amen.

01:07:04.640 Amen.

01:07:05.720 Juliet, what can the average person do who's listening to this?

01:07:09.660 they're not a part of the DAR, but they're like, okay, we want to see y'all get your

01:07:14.240 meeting at least at the very least. Of course, we want the restoration of this organization for the

01:07:20.320 sake of our country, for the sake of our history, for the sake of the truth. What can the average

01:07:25.680 woman who is listening to this do? Oh, I love that question. First and foremost, I would say pray. 0.99

01:07:33.260 Prayer is powerful. And we as the restoration group have not forgotten that. And so that is a

01:07:38.800 very um primary and out front and center part of what we do um prayer is powerful beyond that if

01:07:47.580 they would like to take action um hr bill 9701 which representative klein introduced and we are

01:07:54.520 so grateful um they can call their representatives in their local districts and jurisdictions and

01:08:01.880 ask for them to co-sponsor this bill. That would be wonderful and very helpful. And that will

01:08:09.500 define what a woman is and it will come from Congress and they are the ones who authored our 1.00

01:08:15.480 charter. And so that is something actionable that they can do. If they just make a phone call or in

01:08:21.760 their local districts, send an email, the websites are there. They can go to congress.gov and look

01:08:27.440 out bill HR 9701. Um, and then there also, they can hit a link if they don't know who the

01:08:33.900 representatives are, it'll take them right to their representatives. Once they put in their

01:08:37.360 zip code, I think it is. Um, but prayer is so powerful and we believe in it and we have seen

01:08:42.560 it working. And so I thank you for that question. That's a good one. Absolutely. And I think the

01:08:48.940 more people share this interview, talk about it and create buzz around this, hopefully the more

01:08:56.420 pressure, outwardly facing pressure. The head of the DAR will feel, maybe she will feel pressure

01:09:04.260 to respond and give you all at the very least a fair hearing because as we know, like we know

01:09:11.800 this about deceit. We know this about the enemy. We know this about lies. They like to operate in

01:09:17.340 the darkness. Obviously they don't want you guys talking. They don't want you guys meeting. They

01:09:21.640 don't want this to come to light. So that means we as Christians, we got to do the opposite of

01:09:25.780 that. We got to bring this fully into the light so that it can't be ignored. Um, and I'm just

01:09:30.380 thankful for the courage that you all have both displayed and all of the people who are trying to

01:09:36.140 restore the DAR, it would have been a lot easier for you to sit back and be like, well, it's probably

01:09:40.840 not really going to affect me where I live. So I'm not going to say anything, but you guys are

01:09:45.620 taking a massive risk and I want everyone in this audience to share your arrows and do everything

01:09:50.360 that we can to help you. So thank you both so much, Laura, Juliet, urge everyone to pray and

01:09:57.320 to be a part of this using your voice however you can. Thank you guys both so much. Thank you,

01:10:02.500 Eliebeth. Thank you so much. Thank you. All right, y'all, full episode today. We will be back here

01:10:14.540 on Friday, like I said, with that incredible interview with Vanessa Sivage. And don't forget

01:10:18.760 on Friday to tune into my Jubilee debate, which we will be talking about more next week. I'll see

01:10:25.100 you guys back here then.

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