Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - August 12, 2026


Ep 1383 ｜ AOC Is Selling A Dangerous Lie About Fertility

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AOC egg harvesting egg freezing process
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Allie Beth Stuckey
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Vanessa
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Laquan McDonald Juliet Jubilee Abigail Schreier D.A.R. Michael Knowles Brittany Proverbs Juliette Graciana Castleberry Rosaria Butterfield Samuel Bagenstos Elisa Childers Natasha Crane Audrey Brogy George Floyd Jesus Christ Kosti Hinn Code Allie Gen Z and 8 more
Ep 1382 ｜ Perez Hilton & Ariana Grande： Are These Forms of Demonic Possession？ Ep 1384 ｜ Children’s Hospital Transing Kids？ FBI Targets The Nurse Who Exposed It ｜ Vanessa Sivadge

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00:00:00 AOC harvesting her eggs to be frozen and publicly documenting this process. 1.00
00:00:06 She's glamorizing the lie that women can have it all. 1.00
00:00:08 We can't have it all because only we can bear children. 0.99
00:00:11 If you are under the delusion that you can do everything you want to do,
00:00:15 you can pursue this non-stop 80-hour-a-week career,
00:00:19 and then you can get married at 38 and have kids at 42,
00:00:22 you are lying to yourself. 0.53
00:00:24 And AOC, if she is pushing that idea, she is lying to you.
00:00:30 hey y'all welcome to relatable happy wednesday hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far
00:00:44 as you can see we're in a little bit of a different setup because right after i record this
00:00:49 i will be recording my friday episode with vanessa civage we are sitting down with her after her
00:00:55 historic settlement. Remember, we had her on a couple of years ago. She was our Share the Arrows 0.97
00:01:00 award winner in 2024, our first ever, because she blew the whistle on Texas Children's, that huge 0.73
00:01:08 hospital down in Houston, their illegal practices in prescribing cross-sex hormones, puberty
00:01:14 blockers to kids, and also fraudulently using Medicaid to do it. It was crazy. And she bravely
00:01:23 came forward and the federal government sicked their authorities on her. And now that the trial
00:01:29 is over, she is finally able to tell all and to tell details of the past few years that she has
00:01:36 never revealed before. So make sure you tune in on Friday morning to Relatable where we're sitting
00:01:42 down with Vanessa. And just one more thing happening on Friday that I've got to promote
00:01:46 before we get into the rest of today's episode. I've got another Jubilee debate coming out. So
00:01:51 the Jubilee debate that was published back in October that I did was by far the most,
00:01:59 I guess I could say popular thing that I've been a part of, maybe the most viewed, but
00:02:06 definitely the most discussed. I have people come up to me all the time and they might not know what
00:02:11 my podcast is. They've never heard of Relatable, but they're like, oh my gosh, that surrounded
00:02:16 debate. I've seen you in that. And so that was such a fun opportunity that I was honored to
00:02:21 be a part of. And now I'm going to be a part of another Jubilee debate. This time it's a one-on-one
00:02:27 debate. Very different format. And it's about feminism and Christian nationalism, abortion,
00:02:34 sexuality, gender. So much was covered. So make sure you tune in on Friday and then we'll be doing
00:02:40 a recap episode next week. All right, let's get into today's episode. Y'all might be able to guess
00:02:46 what I'm going to talk about because I talked about it on X and I got a ton of blowback for
00:02:51 what I said. And that is AOC harvesting her eggs to be frozen and publicly documenting this process.
00:03:00 So you've got a lot of people saying just right off the bat, let me say that this is none of your
00:03:04 business. You shouldn't be talking about this. You shouldn't be discussing this on the podcast.
00:03:08 You shouldn't have commented about it on X. We'll talk about what I said on X and why people got so
00:03:13 angry. But let me just say right up front that AOC is chronicling this on social media. Now,
00:03:20 what are her motivations for that? We can guess. She says it's to just show women in their 30s who
00:03:27 are career driven that this is an option to have children. I don't know. But when you post something
00:03:33 for public consumption, you are allowing people to offer their opinions about that thing. And this is
00:03:40 not a neutral topic. This fits right into the subjects that we discuss a lot, which is fertility
00:03:46 treatments, what it does to a woman's body, the ethical and moral risk of removing conception
00:03:53 from sex and removing conception certainly from marriage and all of the potential consequences
00:04:00 of that. And so, yeah, we're going to talk about it. AOC, the politician, the fellow millennial
00:04:06 that we have been talking about for years
00:04:08 is publicly touting the benefits of egg harvesting
00:04:13 in your mid-30s, we're gonna talk about it.
00:04:16 So if you don't know, she posted this video
00:04:19 on her social media showing the injection process
00:04:26 that is supposed to stimulate your eggs
00:04:29 and so she can go through the process of harvesting them.
00:04:33 And she said this in her video, saw one.
00:04:36 Deco and I, day one of freezing my eggs. I'm diving into the process and now I've got
00:04:45 let's see all of this medicine here. I'm going to inject this first but I got a pro tip from
00:04:56 a friend because this injection kind of stings. It kind of burns a little bit.
00:05:03 so a friend of mine told me that if you make the first injection first and um let it sit while
00:05:11 you're making while you're doing everything else maybe it burns a little less i don't know
00:05:16 don't be weird about this even though i know all of you will be
00:05:20 so just to explain exactly what she's doing for those of you who don't know
00:05:26 this is the stage of the egg freezing process that requires two weeks of daily hormone shots 0.98
00:05:32 So follicle stimulating drugs to make the sacs inside a woman's ovary that hold the egg grow. 0.98
00:05:39 And then you also have the drug to keep the eggs from being released until a doctor can retrieve them.
00:05:48 So that's what she's doing here. 1.00
00:05:51 She has like this two-step process of injecting herself with hormones so that the eggs will be ready to be harvested. 1.00
00:06:00 and then she will go to her doctor's office and she'll be given either just medication to mitigate 0.99
00:06:08 the pain. There's actually a whole New York Times podcast about this and how painful this can be and
00:06:13 how women sometimes are just not treated well in these situations. Sometimes they're put under
00:06:18 completely and so they'll harvest the eggs and then they will be removed and they will be
00:06:24 flash frozen and then they will remain frozen until AOC decides that she, you know, maybe if
00:06:32 she has a sperm donor, sperm seller, or maybe she finds someone that she wants to have children with 0.95
00:06:38 and wants to give his sperm. And then she will likely go through the IVF process, which we've 0.99
00:06:43 detailed many times on this show, in order to create her child. Those embryos will be, or an
00:06:50 embryo could be transferred into her womb and she could have her own child or she might depending 1.00
00:06:57 on when she wants to have children she could have a surrogate and she could try to create the 1.00
00:07:02 embryos or transfer the embryos and grow the embryos gestate them that way it still could be 0.99
00:07:09 she's 36 years old that she is able to have her own children naturally in the next several years
00:07:17 but it looks like she is kind of already betting that that's not going to happen and that she is
00:07:23 planning to use IVF, possibly surrogacy in the future in order to have children. She's shared
00:07:31 that she has been thinking about freezing her eggs and saving money for the process for years.
00:07:36 She wanted to share her journey because she believes she said that women generally are not
00:07:40 taught enough about their bodies. True. And need more examples of living full lives with every 1.00
00:07:48 kind of choice. Okay. That's one way to think of it. She acknowledged there would be pushback for
00:07:52 being so public about her process, but she was willing to take that risk for the sake of
00:07:56 empowerment. Okay. That's great. At least she knows there's going to be pushback from people
00:08:00 like me and she's willing to take that. So for all of you out there who say it's none of your
00:08:04 business, you shouldn't talk about it. At least AOC is tough enough to know that if she's going
00:08:08 to publicize this, there's going to be public commentary about it. And it has consequences,
00:08:13 not just for AOC, but for all of the women that she is advertising to. Because she is conveying
00:08:18 a message. She's not just vlogging about her daily life. She is conveying a message. She is
00:08:22 making a case. She is saying that this is an acceptable way to live your life. This is how
00:08:29 you can order your years, order your priorities. And this is what it looks like, a version of what
00:08:35 it looks like to live a full life, to defer marriage, to defer motherhood, to pursue other
00:08:41 things, and then you could have this insurance policy of harvesting your eggs, and then you can
00:08:45 still have everything that you want later on. Well, is that actually true? Is that probable?
00:08:52 Is that a healthy message to be conveying to young women? I don't think so. And that's why we're 0.99
00:08:57 talking about it. We'll get into more about what AOC thinks about egg freezing, and then actually
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00:11:32 code Allie. Okay, here is AOC talking more about how egg freezing equals to her empowerment,
00:11:45 saw too. This is a choice that I am making to feel more in control of my life. And
00:11:56 if people want to make assumptions about my decision, let them make those assumptions.
00:12:06 I feel empowered to make this choice. I think it's a very privileged position that I've been able
00:12:14 to be able to make okay empowered in control that's kind of the tell right there she wants
00:12:24 to be in control she doesn't want to put it up to chance she doesn't want to trust god with this
00:12:29 she doesn't want to see how things shake out she wants to take control what do we always say when
00:12:36 technology takes us from what is natural to what is possible we have to ask what is this moral
00:12:40 Is this ethical for Christians?
00:12:43 Is this biblical? 0.99
00:12:44 Is this right?
00:12:44 So often when we take a natural process into our own hands, not always, but so often there
00:12:52 are other consequences to that that we at least have to consider.
00:12:55 And that is one problem with how I see AOC presenting this as consequence-less, as on
00:13:01 the same moral level as getting married, having children naturally, prioritizing motherhood.
00:13:08 So this is how I responded to this on X that sent so many people on X into a tizzy.
00:13:14 So here's what I said.
00:13:15 I said, number one, she's been with the same guy for years.
00:13:18 She's been with the same guy reportedly since college and they were engaged at one point.
00:13:25 I said, she's been with the same guy for years.
00:13:27 There's no reason that she couldn't have had kids yet. 1.00
00:13:30 Number two, she will now require, if she uses these frozen eggs to then create embryos, 1.00
00:13:34 require IVF or surrogacy to have a baby, which will always come with ethical and health risks 1.00
00:13:40 that the baby is forced to bear, because of course that's true. And let me pause and just
00:13:45 elucidate that for a second. For those of you who are new, if you are using IVF nine times out of
00:13:51 10, okay, nine times out of 10. So I don't need to hear about the one exception that you represent
00:13:55 out there. I understand there are exceptions. Nine times out of 10, that is going to require
00:13:59 creating embryos, grading those embryos to see how healthy they are, and then discarding those
00:14:05 embryos based on whether they have some chromosomal anomaly that could equal something
00:14:10 like Down syndrome. So you've got eugenics right from the start of the creation of those embryos. 0.91
00:14:16 And then so often women make more embryos than they would ever transfer. And so you've got 0.83
00:14:22 multiple embryos, say four embryos on ice because they weren't the gender that you wanted, or they
00:14:27 didn't make the cut and you're left with this ethical issue of whether you freeze them indefinitely,
00:14:31 you abandon them, you adopt them out to strangers, or you destroy them, or you dedicate them to
00:14:37 science. And so these are living people. If we believe that a person is a person, no matter how
00:14:42 small, that all people are made in God's image from the moment of conception onward, then we
00:14:46 have to think long and hard about the consequences of IVF that is almost always the result of first
00:14:53 freezing your ex, okay? So that's what I'm talking about when I'm talking about the ethical and health
00:14:58 risks that are carried by these babies. It's disordered. We as adults make sacrifices on
00:15:06 behalf of babies. We don't ask babies to make sacrifices on behalf of us. And so often embryos
00:15:12 are required to sacrifice themselves or their right to live and to be born for our wants and
00:15:20 for our demands and that is wrong same with surrogacy you are ripping that child away from
00:15:26 the only home he or she has ever known at the point of birth and you are planning to do that
00:15:32 unlike with adoption and so that is also unethical in all of these situations we are asking these
00:15:38 children to do hard things to fulfill our wants and that is wrong okay so that is probably the
00:15:44 path that she's going to go down. So we have just begun with this egg harvesting all of the potential
00:15:51 ethical quandaries that she could find herself in. Okay, so that's my second point. It's mostly
00:15:58 why I'm talking about this. And then number three, this is just true. It is very rare, even via egg
00:16:03 freezing and IVF, that a woman is able to get pregnant after 40. Most of the embryos she creates 1.00
00:16:08 will never see the light of day if AOC does indeed go on to create embryos. Now, people were mad about
00:16:14 this. I understand the internet is a difficult place because we're reading fast. There's a lot
00:16:19 going on. So I don't want to like condemn everyone, but it's also, I've just realized most people
00:16:24 cannot think in terms of statistically or in general, or as a rule, they are always thinking
00:16:32 about how they represent the exception and they have to negate the rule because of their one
00:16:36 anecdote that proves the exception. This is not me saying that you should never get pregnant after
00:16:41 40, or it's impossible to get pregnant after 40, or that it's always wrong to get pregnant
00:16:45 after 40. 0.98
00:16:47 There are women who they either didn't find the right person, they get pregnant after
00:16:51 40 after they get married, or there are women who couldn't have a baby until after 40 and
00:16:57 they have a baby.
00:16:58 There are all different kinds of reasons a woman might get pregnant after 40 and they
00:17:02 can all be beautiful.
00:17:03 But when you are purposely deferring it, then you are choosing a much more difficult fertility 0.88
00:17:13 path that's just true.
00:17:14 Biology is actually real.
00:17:17 We have a window of time in which our fertility peaks and then it goes way down.
00:17:23 And people think that IVF and egg freezing, that that's a guarantee of pregnancy.
00:17:27 It's not a guarantee of pregnancy.
00:17:29 It is very, very difficult for you to be able to gestate that child after 40.
00:17:36 Not impossible, but much more difficult.
00:17:38 God made our bodies to function a certain way.
00:17:41 And so you're going through all of these hormones.
00:17:44 You're going through all of this money.
00:17:45 You're taking all of these ethical risks.
00:17:47 And there is absolutely no guarantee.
00:17:50 In fact, the percentage, the chance is very low of you actually being able to gestate
00:17:54 and birth that child.
00:17:55 Okay, fourth point.
00:17:57 Purposely deferring motherhood.
00:17:59 Into your 40s.
00:18:00 This is not talked about enough.
00:18:01 When we talk about when to have children, as long as it depends on you.
00:18:07 I'm not talking about, you know, you can't help it. 0.99
00:18:09 But purposely deferring motherhood into her 40s means removing the possibility of her 1.00
00:18:14 kids knowing their grandparents and probably removing the possibility of her grandkids 0.99
00:18:19 knowing her.
00:18:20 That is selfish.
00:18:21 That is just not a repercussion that is discussed enough when we are talking about the average
00:18:26 age of marriage going up so much over the decades, and the average age of having your
00:18:32 first child going up so much over the decades.
00:18:35 Again, if it's out of your control, okay, it's out of your control.
00:18:39 But purposely pursuing your career first and saying, I don't want to settle down until
00:18:43 I'm 38, and then I don't want to have kids until I'm 40.
00:18:47 That is selfish.
00:18:49 It's not good for you.
00:18:50 It's likely not to end in an actual pregnancy.
00:18:54 You're probably then going to pursue all of these dangerous methods, both for you and
00:18:59 the baby.
00:19:00 And then your parents don't get to be around for them.
00:19:03 And you probably don't get to be around for your grandkids.
00:19:06 Like, I don't think that we realize the value of the wisdom and the presence and the stability
00:19:13 that is offered by grandparents.
00:19:18 I just think we take that for granted.
00:19:20 It used to be, of course, that you would know your grandparents.
00:19:23 You would know your great-grandparents, maybe even beyond that for at least a few years.
00:19:29 But now, I mean, our kids barely have any time with their grandparents at all because
00:19:34 in some cases of the choices that we are making.
00:19:38 And again, with all of this, we're never asking, well, what are the consequences for the kid?
00:19:44 Like, maybe it's not good for them to not grow up around grandparents.
00:19:48 maybe it's not good for them to only have the option of parents who have no energy to meet
00:19:54 all of their needs. Again, I'm talking about the purposeful choice to defer motherhood into your
00:20:00 40s or fatherhood into your 40s. There are selfish reasons for that. Okay, number five,
00:20:07 freezing your eggs is horrible for your health. It is horrible for your health. It's the same
00:20:12 thing as like the consequences of a man. It's not the same thing, but we also talk about the
00:20:17 consequences of this when a man is injecting estrogen into his body to try to present like
00:20:22 a woman. Okay. You have a man's body. You have XY chromosomes. You're not supposed to have that 0.82
00:20:26 much estrogen. Like that's why if you did have that much estrogen, doctors would look at your
00:20:31 blood work and they would say something's wrong. We got to fix that. But we are putting artificial
00:20:35 estrogen into men so they can present as women. And we're like, oh yeah, it's totally fine. 1.00
00:20:39 And then we're doing the same thing to women who want to present as men. We're injecting 0.99
00:20:43 testosterone. Again, if you were a woman who presented with that high amount of testosterone, 0.95
00:20:48 doctors would sound the alarm and they would try to do something to fix it. But we're purposely 0.72
00:20:52 inducing that. And now we see it's bad for your health. It can deteriorate your genitalia. It is
00:20:58 horrible for your internal hormones. It seems to be very bad for your mental health and that it
00:21:05 increases aggression and thoughts of violence and depression and all of that. And so whenever we
00:21:11 inject our body with artificial hormones, whether it's through hormonal birth control or whether
00:21:17 it's through cross-sex hormones or whether it's the hormones to induce ovulation so your eggs will
00:21:23 be ripe for harvesting so then you can go flash freeze them, there are going to be consequences
00:21:27 for that. There are going to be side effects. There are studies that show that there is a link
00:21:33 between freezing your eggs and even the hormonal process of IVF and breast cancer and ovarian
00:21:40 cancer. We talked to a sweet woman a few years ago who was a surrogate. It was a horrible story.
00:21:47 Her name was Brittany. And I believe this was the first podcast where she shared her story. And she
00:21:52 was a surrogate for two gay men who wanted to gestate their child. They found out that Brittany
00:21:58 had cancer and they wanted her to abort the child. Well, she didn't have to abort the child. She could 0.71
00:22:02 do preterm delivery. They didn't want to deal with the preemie baby. And they were like, 1.00
00:22:06 we're not taking care of your child. We don't want you to adopt the child. We don't want you 0.99
00:22:09 to take care of the child after birth, and so you have to deliver the child. She delivered the child 1.00
00:22:15 at 24 weeks. The child died. Horrible, horrible situation. But she had been a surrogate multiple
00:22:21 times, and she had breast cancer. And she possibly, she was with her doctors exploring
00:22:31 the possibility of the connection between her surrogacy journeys, and the IVF was required for
00:22:36 them, and the cancer that she was now having to get chemotherapy for. When we inject our bodies
00:22:43 with things that they are not supposed to have at levels that are not being naturally created
00:22:49 to do something that our body was not naturally created to do, which was carry an embryo that
00:22:54 isn't ours, all kinds of consequences possibly exist. And again, we're just not supposed to
00:23:00 think about that. We're supposed to think, oh, you have more control, you're more empowered,
00:23:04 At least you can be a representative for the state of New York until you're 38 years old
00:23:08 and possibly run for president.
00:23:10 Who cares how that affects your body, your future health, and your kids? 1.00
00:23:14 And then number six, she's glamorizing the lie that women can have it all. 1.00
00:23:18 The truth is we can't. 1.00
00:23:20 No one can have it all. 1.00
00:23:21 It's not just women, but it is unique why we can't have it all. 1.00
00:23:25 We can't have it all because only we can bear children. 0.98
00:23:28 And there is only a period of time that you can bear children.
00:23:32 There may be another time for you to be able to pursue the things that preclude you from
00:23:38 motherhood.
00:23:39 It is possible to have a kind of work where you can prioritize motherhood in the home
00:23:44 and you are also able to have your Etsy shop or host your podcast where you record a couple
00:23:49 times a week.
00:23:50 It is possible to be able to do those kinds of things at the same time, but this kind
00:23:56 of non-stop, ambitious, time-consuming work at the same time that your body is primed to have
00:24:06 kids. You got to pick one or the other. That is the reality. I just want young women out there
00:24:12 to hear, if you want children, if you want children and you want to be married, now is the
00:24:19 time to prioritize that. Now is the time. Your 20s and 30s are the time to make sure that you are in
00:24:27 a position to meet the right guy. You are ready to dedicate the time and the effort and the love
00:24:36 and the attention that is necessary to raising those children. Now is the time. You might in
00:24:44 your 40s and 50s once all of your kids are in school have more time to be like the ambitious
00:24:50 go-getter that you want to be perhaps I don't know depends on what you want to do but you are
00:24:57 probably going to have to rearrange your life if that is the outcome that you that you want
00:25:04 some jobs again some work is conducive to also having young kids it is possible but being a 0.98
00:25:12 Congresswoman really isn't. Running for president really isn't. Biology is real. How you order your
00:25:20 life can make or break your future. So just understand that. If you are under the delusion
00:25:26 that you can do everything you want to do, you can party, you can go from guy to guy,
00:25:30 you can pursue this nonstop 80 hour a week career, and then you can get married at 38 and have kids
00:25:37 at 42. You are lying to yourself. And AOC, if she is pushing that idea, she is lying to you.
00:25:45 That's why I care about this. That's why I care about this journey. It is bad for you.
00:25:49 It's potentially bad for babies. And it is bad for our country when our kids don't have
00:25:54 grandkids anymore. And when we are not reproducing because you believed this idea that having babies
00:26:03 in your 40s is just as likely as having babies in your late 20s. It's not. It's not. You can be mad
00:26:09 at me all you want to, but you can scream at the sky about biology, but it is real. It is real.
00:26:16 You don't freeze your eggs to only then pursue IVF and surrogacy and all of those things.
00:26:22 Order your life in a way that is conducive to marriage and having children. That's the way to
00:26:28 go. Now, we have learned some things about AOC and her political pursuits and her personal life
00:26:36 that would make me not, well, I guess one of the points that I made, I would probably caveat a
00:26:42 little bit or I would change a little bit. And then some other points have now been illuminated
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00:28:16 Okay. So apparently AOC is not actually engaged. She hasn't been engaged. It was just reported
00:28:25 just a few days ago that she and her ex-fiance had called it off about 18 months ago. And so
00:28:33 that is the one thing that I would say is that she is apparently not with someone that she wants
00:28:39 to have children with. And instead, she is going on rants about dating losers, top five. 0.98
00:28:46 A lot of these people who pressure women into having kids at a young age or trying to create 0.97
00:28:54 hysteria around being too old, etc. What they're trying to do is rush you into having a relationship
00:29:01 with a loser. By a loser, I mean someone who doesn't respect women, someone who doesn't 0.99
00:29:07 respect you, someone who doesn't treat you well, someone that doesn't support your growth.
00:29:13 okay so I don't know if she's trying to passive aggressively talk about her ex-fiance certainly no
00:29:21 one would accuse them of rushing into anything they were together for like 15 years of their
00:29:25 life and so it wouldn't have been rushing if they had gotten married a few years ago I mean it's
00:29:31 okay that they broke up I have said many times it's better to be single and sad than to be married
00:29:35 and trapped like you shouldn't settle for someone who is not respectful you shouldn't settle for
00:29:40 someone who is not a good person. You shouldn't settle for someone who hates women, although I'm
00:29:45 not really sure her definitions of those things. No one is saying that, that I know of. I certainly
00:29:50 have not given that advice, that you should just settle down and marry whoever comes along.
00:29:56 I am so glad that I waited until I knew without a doubt that this is the person that I wanted to
00:30:03 be with for the rest of my life, and I didn't have any doubt in my mind. And I do see a lot of women 0.97
00:30:08 who are making decisions based on being afraid 0.91
00:30:11 that this guy is the last chopper out of NAMM
00:30:14 and he's not a good guy and he shouldn't be with them.
00:30:18 I would never recommend that you do that. 0.99
00:30:21 I recommend that if you are a Christian woman,
00:30:24 that you find a Christian man who loves the Lord
00:30:29 with all of his heart, mind, soul, and strength
00:30:31 and who loves you, has the same values as you,
00:30:35 who will cherish you.
00:30:36 And also, yes, I do think some Christians debate this, which I don't think it should
00:30:40 be debated.
00:30:40 I think you should be attracted to the person.
00:30:43 I don't think it should just be something where he has all of these characteristics on
00:30:46 paper.
00:30:47 You should be attracted to him.
00:30:48 You should want to be around him.
00:30:49 You should laugh with him.
00:30:51 You should share a sense of humor with him.
00:30:52 You should have fun with him.
00:30:54 All of those things, those romantic parts of love and falling in love, I also think
00:30:58 are really important.
00:31:00 At the same time, I do think today I see this online among both men and women.
00:31:06 the, um, like the, the specifications that young men and women today have for their future spouse.
00:31:16 I would say, especially in the Christian circle, it is like, it's ridiculously specific. Okay. 0.79
00:31:22 I've talked to people who are like, I just really feel convicted that this is the eye color
00:31:25 that God wants me to have. I have this vision of this person who I'm supposed to marry. And I
00:31:29 haven't seen this person yet. And I'm just, sometimes I'm like, you guys are thinking way
00:31:34 too hard. I don't know if you read Abigail Schreier's advice column for the free press. I
00:31:39 find it to be like very entertaining. I don't always agree with everything because we're not
00:31:44 coming from the same Christian worldview, but she makes some good points. There was someone who wrote
00:31:49 into Abigail Schreier saying, look, this woman that I'm with meets all of my criteria. She is
00:31:54 by far on paper, the best person that I've ever been with. And I don't understand why when I leave
00:32:01 her presence, I am depressed and I feel exhausted. And Abigail Schreier basically says, yeah,
00:32:06 you don't love her. You're not in love with her. And that's, that's it. Like, that's the kind of
00:32:11 thing I'm talking about is that young people today are so overly obsessed with all of these
00:32:18 different specifications, um, that they, I do think that you forget, like, you, you need to
00:32:25 love the person. And people used to tell me when you know, you know, and that was really annoying
00:32:30 to me until I met my husband and then I was like oh I totally get it when you know you know
00:32:34 and also they need to be a strong believer and share your values be a hard worker there are
00:32:40 obviously qualities that you need to look for beyond your feelings but feelings also matter
00:32:45 too but people like AOC are pushing this idea that you can't it seems to me that she is basically
00:32:53 saying you can't possibly find that person young and settle down young without settling for some
00:32:57 kind of like misogynist. I mean, that's just crazy. We're just pointing out that biology is
00:33:03 real. It is real. It's not paranoia. It's just wisdom. You know, like Proverbs depicts wisdom
00:33:10 shouting into the street, being like, who's going to follow me? Hello, over here. AOC,
00:33:17 that's what wisdom is doing for you. AOC, hello, wisdom, discernment, reality, biology. It's over
00:33:24 here. We're trying to get your attention. And it's very difficult because then you see the
00:33:31 depiction of like wisdom's foil throughout Proverbs, who is leading people into temptation
00:33:36 and temporary pleasure, things that sound good, but lead you down a path of destruction. That's
00:33:42 what's going on here. That's why it's so important to wade into this kind of debate. It's very
00:33:48 simple. Don't date a loser. Don't marry a guy who isn't respectful and doesn't love you, but do 1.00
00:33:54 as long as it depends on you try to find a good guy and get married and have kids if that's 0.75
00:33:59 something that the lord is calling you to do okay the path that she is pursuing of political
00:34:05 ambition and hoping to have kids via egg freezing and embryo creation in her 40s trust me that is
00:34:11 not going to be the path that leads to fulfillment and happiness and satisfaction in fact it's just
00:34:16 going to end up leading to a lot of disappointment. That's what it's going to do. Just some numbers
00:34:25 about this so you know that I'm not just gaslighting here. I'm not just like making things
00:34:30 up. These are not pro-life Christian studies. These are just academic studies. UCLA study
00:34:36 found that only 5.7% of women who froze their eggs between 2014 and 2016 actually used them
00:34:43 within five to seven years, things just don't end up panning out. And again, it's very difficult
00:34:50 once you're over the age of 40 to actually be able to produce those babies. It's also extremely
00:34:58 expensive. AOC has already talked about this. The price of freezing your eggs, $8,000 out of pocket
00:35:03 and then $1,200 annually for storage. The whole procedure costs about $12,000 to $15,000 per cycle.
00:35:13 This is another thing when people tell me, oh, it's too expensive to have children.
00:35:17 Like, that's why we're not having kids in this economy.
00:35:20 And then you have someone who is touting a procedure that can cost you $15,000.
00:35:26 It's a lot.
00:35:27 The most severe side effect of freezing your eggs is ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome.
00:35:33 The ovaries become swollen and very painful.
00:35:36 There was also this 2026 research from Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.
00:35:43 The incidence of that is unknown, but it shows that it can be as high as 20% of cases of people
00:35:52 getting their eggs frozen that you will suffer from that. A 2017, this is interesting, study
00:35:59 published in Fertility and Sterility that surveyed women who had had their eggs frozen found that 16%
00:36:05 had severe regret over the decision two years later. 33% had mild regret. Wow, that's really,
00:36:12 really high. If you compare that to how people feel after other kinds of procedures, you will
00:36:17 see that that is extremely high. When you are injecting yourself with hormones again, and you
00:36:22 are doing things that affect your body that intimately and that seriously, you're going to
00:36:27 have big emotions about it. People don't talk about that. The same thing is true with abortion.
00:36:32 We're messing with very intimate and sensitive parts of our bodies without really even talking
00:36:38 about the repercussions. It's also just true. There's this whole debate in here about geriatric
00:36:44 pregnancy and people are like, oh, it's so rude to say geriatric and all that, which I understand.
00:36:49 Look, I'm 34. I'm on the edge. If like we had another child when I'm 36, there's probably
00:36:54 going to be some older OBGYN that's like, hey, geriatric pregnancy. Wow. How did this happen?
00:37:01 And I understand like why that can feel offensive because you're 36 years old and having
00:37:08 a child, it's not geriatric. We think of geriatric as like 75 years old. But even if we change the
00:37:15 name, that doesn't change the risk that comes with getting pregnant after the age of 35. Maternal age
00:37:22 of 35 and older, this is according to the Cleveland Clinic, is associated with a higher
00:37:27 likelihood of complications such as high blood pressure, preeclampsia, gestational diabetes,
00:37:32 miscarriage, C-section. And that is not just a risk for the mom, it's also a risk for the baby.
00:37:37 data from the society for assisted reproductive technology show that about 53.1 percent of women
00:37:43 under 35 achieved a live birth after one egg retrieval cycle compared with only 4.2 percent
00:37:50 of women over 42 so again you just can't beat biology you can't overcome it it's kind of like
00:37:58 a you know a beach ball you can keep pushing it underwater truth in all cases certainly scientific
00:38:04 truth is going to keep popping back up. You know, this whole thing was really considered
00:38:10 experimental in 2012. There had only been about 500 births from people who had retrieved their
00:38:17 eggs and gone through this process of creating these embryos. It's much more popular now and
00:38:23 it doesn't have to do with the economy. It has to do with our culture. It has to do with where we
00:38:28 are spiritually. It has to do with the fact that if you poll women, women are much more likely now 0.60
00:38:33 to be progressive. About 65% of women consider themselves progressive Democrats. When you ask
00:38:40 Gen Z women what their priorities are, what their goals are in life, getting married and having 1.00
00:38:45 children is extremely low. Not true of Gen Z men. It's mostly you want a career, you want financial 0.99
00:38:52 independence. I think social media has a big impact on that as well. And so that's why we're
00:38:59 seeing this kind of deferred and delayed motherhood and taking these risky choices both for you and
00:39:06 for the baby and AOC is really the representation of that now a lot of people are also talking about
00:39:14 AOC's political ambitions and how she seems to be doing all of this you know breaking up with or the
00:39:22 news of her breaking up with her boyfriend is being published she's talking about freezing her eggs
00:39:27 And then she's also saying things like this in interviews.
00:39:31 Woke One was crazy.
00:39:33 Woke One was crazy.
00:39:35 And I think that what's important is that we have to assess what a candidate is saying.
00:39:40 Was it? I mean, did the movement go too far with some of those positions?
00:39:43 I mean, you briefly supported the idea of defunding the police.
00:39:47 Well, you know, I think that during this time and during, especially during COVID,
00:39:54 there was a huge opening of the Overton window.
00:39:56 we were shut down. There was some of the highest unemployment rates that we have seen because of
00:40:01 those shutdowns. And I think that the doors were really open in trying to entertain any and every
00:40:08 policy that was going to get us to a better place. Okay, we don't have time to interpret
00:40:15 all of that, but she's distancing herself from what she calls Woke One, which was 2020,
00:40:21 which there were just a few surviving generals of Woke One
00:40:26 that led you, especially women, out of Woke One
00:40:30 with your sanity and dignity intact. 0.94
00:40:34 AOC was not one of those women.
00:40:36 She was one of those people who was echoing all of the madness
00:40:40 about systemic racism and hailing George Floyd a hero,
00:40:45 calling for the abolition of the police.
00:40:47 she knows now that now that we're out of 2020 and calling for all kinds of mandates and taking away
00:40:54 freedoms under COVID, she knows now that all that stuff is very unpopular. And if she's got to reach
00:41:01 moderates and she's got to reach independence, then she's got to appeal to as many people as
00:41:05 possible. So she's distancing herself from woke one. We wouldn't say that kind of stuff anymore.
00:41:12 So what you're saying is that you're super caught up in emotion and you'll say anything that feels
00:41:17 good at the time, even if it's not true? Hmm, I don't think that's the one I want to vote for.
00:41:23 But what she's doing does appeal to a lot of people, and it does garner a lot of sympathy.
00:41:30 And so I do see how all of this kind of plays together if she is going to run in 2028.
00:41:39 um now do i think she's gonna win the primary probably not but i think that she'll be a
00:41:47 contender i think that she'll absolutely be a contender and she's garnering a lot of sympathy
00:41:52 she knows what she's doing like i said most women are progressive and her narrative to
00:41:57 most progressive women right now is extremely sympathetic and extremely relatable remember
00:42:03 if you feel like, oh, you know, maybe I do like AOC. You know, I think that AOC and I could
00:42:09 probably, you know, have some things to talk about that we would agree on to. Like in another world,
00:42:18 maybe AOC and I could be friends. So I'm not trying to condemn her entirely. I'm just saying
00:42:22 just to remember what she represents. She remembers, she represents the most radical
00:42:29 side of progressivism, the most secular and demonic side of abortion and transgenderism 0.99
00:42:34 and sexuality, all this stuff that is truly destroying and preying upon children, like
00:42:38 AOC stands for it. 0.94
00:42:40 So don't fall for these relatable stories and the seemingly relatable fertility journey
00:42:45 like she is representing something that is extremely damaging for young women, both physically,
00:42:50 mentally, and then I would also say spiritually.
00:42:54 All right, let's get into the rest of today's episode.
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00:44:14 Allie. All right. So we pray for AOC. Children are a blessing. Her desire to become a mom is
00:44:26 a good desire and I want her to fulfill that. I want her to find a good godly man and I want her
00:44:31 to get married and I want her to have kids and I want her to experience the joy of motherhood. I
00:44:35 think that she would be a good mom. Obviously, I think that her values and her thoughts on a lot
00:44:40 of things should shift, but it also changes you for the better. So yeah, I hope that the Lord would
00:44:48 save her, would help her, would point her in the right direction and that she follows that path
00:44:52 instead. All right. Now we've got to talk about something super important that you've heard me
00:44:58 discuss before, but we've got firsthand accounts from the Daughters of the American Revolution.
00:45:03 They are trying to redefine what it means to be a daughter, and they want to include sons who
00:45:08 identify as daughters in the Daughters of the American Revolution. Well, we've got a couple
00:45:12 Christian women, related girls, raising a respectful ruckus for the things that matter, 1.00
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00:45:23 the American Revolution. I'm talking to two members today that need our help. So without
00:45:28 further ado, here they are. Laura, Juliet, thanks so much for taking the time to join us.
00:45:38 We talked on the show about what is going on with the Daughters of the American Revolution,
00:45:43 and both of your names were sent to me multiple times by people who are familiar with everything
00:45:48 going on. If you could each introduce yourself, Laura, you first, just tell us how long you've
00:45:54 been a part of the DAR. Hi, Alliebeth. Thank you for having me. My name is Laura McDonald. I'm a
00:46:01 member of the DAR. I'm here just speaking in my capacity as a member, private citizen,
00:46:07 not speaking on behalf of the DAR. I've been a member since 2018, and it wasn't until 2023
00:46:13 that we've learned about this issue that's been going on within the DAR.
00:46:19 And Juliette, what about you? What's your history with the DAR?
00:46:24 Thank you again for having us. I joined the DAR in December of 2023. Proud to be a first
00:46:31 generation daughter and learned about the men be admitted shortly after. And that's about the same
00:46:37 time when Laura and I met. Okay. So just as a reminder for people, um, Laura, if you could
00:46:44 tell us what exactly are you referring to? What happened in 2023 that started to sound the alarms
00:46:50 for you? Right. So in 2023, there was a bylaw amendment that added anti-additional, uh, or I'm
00:46:59 sorry, it added additional anti-discrimination language to our bylaws. So there was already
00:47:04 a clause that said members could not discriminate against an eligible applicant,
00:47:09 but there was a proposal to amend those bylaws to add additional language. So you can't
00:47:15 discriminate against an applicant based on race, religion, sexual orientation, age,
00:47:20 disability, or any other characteristic protected by applicable law. And so that got members,
00:47:25 you know, wondering, does this have anything to do with this new thing that's taking hold in the
00:47:30 country of, you know, transgender ideology. And that question came up on the floor there at
00:47:35 Continental Congress. And the question was asked, does this mean that we cannot turn away a man who
00:47:41 has an amended birth certificate? And the answer was, no, you cannot. That would be illegal
00:47:46 discrimination. And there was some back and forth. Let me just play that clip again so the audience
00:47:54 can remember what went on there. With the proposed change in wording to the bylaw,
00:48:00 Would our chapters be able to still vote not to admit into our chapter a person
00:48:06 whose birth certificate has been altered by their state to indicate they are
00:48:11 female even though they were born a male?
00:48:14 I'm going to say, yes, if their birth certificate says they're a female and you 1.00
00:48:19 vote against them based on by their protected class, it's discrimination.
00:48:26 juliette what was the response when you got that when you heard that very strange answer that well
00:48:35 yeah you can't discriminate against someone just because they're a man
00:48:41 it was actually surprising and somewhat shocking um when i joined the dar i joined as an opportunity
00:48:50 to continue to serve my son and i had served in a different capacity um when he was younger but i
00:48:55 didn't have an opportunity to serve with my daughters. And so that was a great draw for me
00:49:00 and the DAR to be able to trace back lineage, to be able to join, but then also to be able to serve
00:49:08 and give back with my daughters. And that was something that I was really looking forward to.
00:49:12 So when I heard that DAR was admitting men, I felt a bit betrayed and truly puzzled because
00:49:22 that was completely not what I understood the organization was all about.
00:49:27 So Laura, tell me what you think is behind this, because from my understanding, the Daughters
00:49:33 of the American Revolution was started with Christian principles, obviously American principles
00:49:38 and pride and the courage that was displayed by those who fought for America's independence,
00:49:45 but also the prayers, the scriptures that have been interwoven into the DAR identity since the
00:49:54 beginning, to me, seems completely opposed to what is happening now, this openness to accepting men
00:50:02 who identify as women. So what is going on behind the scenes that could possibly push
00:50:08 the organization in this direction? Well, we have uncovered in the last few years that there are
00:50:16 members who hold state and leadership positions who do take the ideological position that trans
00:50:22 women are women. So when we first found out about this, we weren't sure if it was just the DAR taking
00:50:27 a defensive position because on the one hand, to one group of people, they make the claim that
00:50:33 when I say one group of people, I mean people who think more like we all think here,
00:50:38 They try to convince us that this is something we have to do because it would be illegal if we exclude these men.
00:50:44 So so members are, for lack of a better term, maybe intimidated, maybe with their arm twisted to go along with this.
00:50:52 But then you've got others, the president general herself, who are part of a very public Facebook page called Daughters for Inclusivity, who make the claim that trans women are women.
00:51:03 And we found some internal documents that make that same claim that trans women are not men.
00:51:09 Trans women live and identify as women.
00:51:11 So once I was able to piece that together, I knew that it's like something I heard.
00:51:19 I say our friend, he's your friend, Mr. Knowles, Michael Knowles, on his show the other day, the long march through the institution.
00:51:25 That it's like an institutional takeover where I think they thought they were going to be able to get this in quietly and secretly.
00:51:34 But now, since so many eyes are on it, they're being forced to own their ideology.
00:51:40 So this push getting away from Christian values, too, is something else that we've uncovered.
00:51:45 We didn't realize that until this came about.
00:51:48 So Juliette and I, both Christians, our local chapters always prayed in the name of Jesus.
00:51:55 And so we didn't put it together that there had been a move at the national level to remove the name of Jesus and to encourage chaplains to say, you pray in your faith as I pray in mine. 0.59
00:52:07 And sometimes we wonder, you know, have we put the cart before the horse by trying to rectify this situation of allowing men in the DAR before going back and correcting that?
00:52:16 But we didn't know about that before this came to light.
00:52:20 So we're not really sure when this push actually happened to try to get away from the D.A.R. being a religious organization.
00:52:29 But history shows that it is indeed a religious organization founded on Christian principles specifically.
00:52:39 You're right. The first Congress of the Daughters of the American Revolution was held in the Church of Our Father on Wednesday, February 22nd, 1892.
00:52:48 It was opened with a prayer, and then there are different ritual options.
00:52:53 Obviously, you all know about this much more than I do,
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00:53:03 Psalm 33.12, and then a prayer that is very clearly a Christian prayer.
00:53:08 It is not an all-faith prayer to the universe, but a Christian prayer.
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00:54:59 Alley, code Alley. Juliet, do you know whether the push to take out, you know, Jesus's name or
00:55:12 to kind of this push for universalism within the DAR is coming from the same direction,
00:55:18 the daughters for inclusivity, or is that something that y'all are still trying to figure out?
00:55:24 that's an excellent question we're really not sure still trying to figure that out um i would
00:55:33 speculate that that push to remove the name of jesus and to really start to adjust perspective
00:55:42 with regard to the rituals and the scriptures being read and prayers being lifted up um i think
00:55:48 that probably dates much before this inclusivity group. However, there's no real way for us to
00:55:55 know what was going on in the background. So I'm not really sure. These things do seem to be
00:56:02 intertwined, not just in this institution, but everywhere. The denial of Christ and the denial
00:56:09 of the creator, and then also the denial of the basics of Genesis one, because all of those truths
00:56:15 are interwoven. And so my opinion is that you're not putting the cart before the horse. You're
00:56:20 taking them one thing at a time, but they also, they go hand in hand. They're different, but
00:56:26 they are absolutely connected. So I imagine that all of this is what prompted the formation of the
00:56:33 Daughters of the Restoration. Is that right, Laura? Yes, that's right. So when we first found
00:56:39 out about this, we were significantly suppressed in our ability to communicate with other chapter
00:56:44 members. We were shut down on the DAR social media pages. We were told emphatically that we
00:56:50 cannot use our member directories to communicate with each other. There's a circularization policy
00:56:55 that says members cannot spread a rumor or, you know, do anything to disturb the harmony, which
00:57:00 again, like I've said before, is a great policy when implemented correctly, but should not be
00:57:05 used as a cudgel to silence members to talk about legitimate things that are happening within the
00:57:10 DAR. And members were even told, you can't even talk about this in a chapter meeting. Don't bring
00:57:15 it up. And so Daughters for Restoration was born out of necessity. It started as a Facebook group
00:57:20 just to start collaborating with like-minded members. And then it's grown into this 501c3.
00:57:27 And now our purpose is to educate members about parliamentary procedure, the law, where we can,
00:57:32 getting as many legal opinions as we can to dispel some of these things that our leadership has put
00:57:37 out that we must do this or it's illegal. That's what restoration is about right now. But I do
00:57:44 envision it becoming something bigger to not only restore the D.A.R. to being one for biological 0.66
00:57:49 women, but to restore the name of Jesus and our Christian values.
00:57:55 And just to address one thing that you said, Laura, that there are some leadership who is
00:58:02 acting like our hands are tied. We have to do this legally. We have to accept men. Is that true?
00:58:07 It is not true. The DAR by virtue that the daughters of the American Revolution and discrimination has become a dirty word nowadays, but by nature, it is discriminatory in that there are specific requirements to be a member.
00:58:23 You must be a woman, 18 years of age or older, with lineal descent of a patriot. That's not meant to be in any way anti anything other than this is a historic institution that has had eligibility standards since its founding.
00:58:37 We know inherently that we have a First Amendment right to the freedom of expression and association.
00:58:44 So what leaders have done, the National Board of Management, they had an attorney out of Michigan named Samuel Bagenstos, who's a very liberal trans activist, I would say.
00:58:56 He wrote an opinion that was distributed to all the members at Congress.
00:58:59 It was the only one that we were able to talk about during the debate that says that a local District of Columbia Human Rights Act trumps our First Amendment right.
00:59:10 So because the D.A.R. is headquartered in Washington, D.C., they're saying our First Amendment right means nothing.
00:59:16 And this D.C. law reigns supreme.
00:59:20 Wow. Wow. And what has the response been to the formation of the Daughters of the Restoration?
00:59:28 I imagine that you've had some pushback, Juliet.
00:59:31 If initially y'all were basically told, ah, it's all about unity, you can't talk about
00:59:36 this, I can just imagine that the leadership isn't super thrilled.
00:59:42 You are spot on.
00:59:44 They are not thrilled.
00:59:45 And in fact, they surprisingly have sidestepped, I would say, some of our bylaws, some of the
00:59:55 um, procedures and protocols that a typical organization would follow. Um, and so, yes,
01:00:01 you are right. We are receiving a lot of pushback and a lot of heat. Um, but to the contrary, I will
01:00:07 say we have also experienced, um, some great support, uh, and the more that the word gets out,
01:00:14 they, um, senior leadership has done everything within their power to silence this. And, and
01:00:19 to Laura's point has put out circularization policy that said, we cannot discuss it.
01:00:25 Chapter Regents will even go to the point to tell their own members that it's forbidden to be talked about.
01:00:31 And they shut conversations down on the local level and on the national level.
01:00:35 However, with all of that, as we know can happen, God has really opened the floodgates that the information that was trying to be suppressed and silenced has flown and has really spread across the entire nation.
01:00:53 And we are gaining, uh, support and like-minded ladies to step up and to gain courage because
01:01:00 it's intimidating and they've done their very best to cast fear and intimidation in an attempt 0.86
01:01:06 to silence us. And, um, it's not really working. Wow. That's good. You know, Julie, I, I, I have
01:01:15 to, I have to ask how big of a problem is this actually from the progressive side of things in
01:01:22 that. Are there really a ton of men who identify as women who are trying to join the DAR? I'm just
01:01:30 trying to even understand why this is a hill the leadership would want to die on.
01:01:38 That is such a great question that we, um, and we're having a hard time wrapping our mind around
01:01:44 it. So our organization was founded in 1890 after these founders, these ladies were forbidden,
01:01:51 or not allowed to join Sons of the American Revolution.
01:01:55 And so that was the very founding of this organization
01:01:58 based on women and lineal descent
01:02:03 and genealogical standards of practice.
01:02:06 And so how or why we are in the position that we are now
01:02:12 is really puzzling.
01:02:14 And to your point, it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense
01:02:17 um, why leadership would be willing to, um, forgo all of this amazing legacy and history that we
01:02:25 have for, you know, a handful of men who identify as women. I'm not sure. That's an excellent
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01:03:41 Laura, what happens in October?
01:03:47 What's supposed to happen in October is a special meeting.
01:03:51 We have more than tripled the requirement required for a special meeting.
01:03:56 Our bylaws say at the request of 30 chapters in 10 states, the President General shall call a special meeting,
01:04:02 which by its nature is set at a time different from that of any regular meeting.
01:04:07 So we met that threshold at the first part of this year.
01:04:10 And instead of giving us our meeting, per the bylaws, per Robert's Rules of Order, they added our resolution as a vote to Continental Congress.
01:04:19 And that's what everybody's been hearing about for the past month or so.
01:04:23 So we maintain that in order for our bylaws to have any meaning, to be upheld, that we must have that special meeting.
01:04:30 Otherwise, this gets back to what we're talking about, the meaning of words.
01:04:34 The word woman has a meaning, has a clear definition.
01:04:37 A special meeting has a clear definition.
01:04:40 What our leaders are doing are reinterpreting, they're amending those words by interpretation.
01:04:46 They're just deciding that, no, we're not going to say that word means this.
01:04:50 We're going to say it means that now because it suits us better.
01:04:53 We cannot stand for that.
01:04:54 We have to push for this special meeting.
01:04:56 And what we're hearing over and over is there will be no special meeting.
01:05:00 This is a violation of our bylaws.
01:05:01 If there is no special meeting, that is a clear violation of our bylaws.
01:05:05 So October the 11th, more than 115 chapters in 34 states at this point have sent a resolution to the president general saying, we want a special meeting at our headquarters in Washington, D.C. on October the 11th, 2026.
01:05:20 That's the birthday of our founding, Columbus Day.
01:05:23 And the president general has been silent.
01:05:27 Wow.
01:05:27 So as of right now, you don't know, Laura, if that meeting is actually going to happen.
01:05:34 We have to operate under the mindset that it is going to happen. Otherwise, again, our bylaws mean nothing. The president general is silent. She is ignoring our many emails. So you can do without what you will. We cannot physically force her to call the special meeting.
01:05:53 But if our bylaws mean anything, and if the resolutions of these chapters, these duly adopted resolutions mean anything, we have to operate under the mindset that there will be a special meeting.
01:06:03 And, Allie, if I can say one thing, it's come to my attention over the last day or two that I get screenshots of our opposition, things that they're saying about us on the other side.
01:06:15 I try my best not to look at what they're saying. But this idea has come about that there's some
01:06:20 shadowy figure that's propping us up. Otherwise, how could, you know, small town East Texas
01:06:25 chapter members get the attention of Allie Beth Stuckey, get the attention of the Center for
01:06:30 American Liberty, get the attention of Representative Kline and all these congressmen
01:06:34 that have signed on to this proposal to amend our charter. And the truth is there is nobody lurking
01:06:41 in the shadows, but there is somebody in the light and his name is Yeshua, Jesus Christ,
01:06:46 the son of God, the one who died for us.
01:06:48 And we have called on him and asked for his blessing.
01:06:50 And he is the reason all of this has happened.
01:06:53 And we do believe that we will see the DAR restored.
01:06:56 I believe that he is answering the prayers of those women who founded this organization
01:06:59 back in 1890.
01:07:03 Amen.
01:07:04 Amen.
01:07:05 Juliet, what can the average person do who's listening to this?
01:07:09 they're not a part of the DAR, but they're like, okay, we want to see y'all get your
01:07:14 meeting at least at the very least. Of course, we want the restoration of this organization for the
01:07:20 sake of our country, for the sake of our history, for the sake of the truth. What can the average
01:07:25 woman who is listening to this do? Oh, I love that question. First and foremost, I would say pray. 0.99
01:07:33 Prayer is powerful. And we as the restoration group have not forgotten that. And so that is a
01:07:38 very um primary and out front and center part of what we do um prayer is powerful beyond that if
01:07:47 they would like to take action um hr bill 9701 which representative klein introduced and we are
01:07:54 so grateful um they can call their representatives in their local districts and jurisdictions and
01:08:01 ask for them to co-sponsor this bill. That would be wonderful and very helpful. And that will
01:08:09 define what a woman is and it will come from Congress and they are the ones who authored our 1.00
01:08:15 charter. And so that is something actionable that they can do. If they just make a phone call or in
01:08:21 their local districts, send an email, the websites are there. They can go to congress.gov and look
01:08:27 out bill HR 9701. Um, and then there also, they can hit a link if they don't know who the
01:08:33 representatives are, it'll take them right to their representatives. Once they put in their
01:08:37 zip code, I think it is. Um, but prayer is so powerful and we believe in it and we have seen
01:08:42 it working. And so I thank you for that question. That's a good one. Absolutely. And I think the
01:08:48 more people share this interview, talk about it and create buzz around this, hopefully the more
01:08:56 pressure, outwardly facing pressure. The head of the DAR will feel, maybe she will feel pressure
01:09:04 to respond and give you all at the very least a fair hearing because as we know, like we know
01:09:11 this about deceit. We know this about the enemy. We know this about lies. They like to operate in
01:09:17 the darkness. Obviously they don't want you guys talking. They don't want you guys meeting. They
01:09:21 don't want this to come to light. So that means we as Christians, we got to do the opposite of
01:09:25 that. We got to bring this fully into the light so that it can't be ignored. Um, and I'm just
01:09:30 thankful for the courage that you all have both displayed and all of the people who are trying to
01:09:36 restore the DAR, it would have been a lot easier for you to sit back and be like, well, it's probably
01:09:40 not really going to affect me where I live. So I'm not going to say anything, but you guys are
01:09:45 taking a massive risk and I want everyone in this audience to share your arrows and do everything
01:09:50 that we can to help you. So thank you both so much, Laura, Juliet, urge everyone to pray and
01:09:57 to be a part of this using your voice however you can. Thank you guys both so much. Thank you,
01:10:02 Eliebeth. Thank you so much. Thank you. All right, y'all, full episode today. We will be back here
01:10:14 on Friday, like I said, with that incredible interview with Vanessa Sivage. And don't forget
01:10:18 on Friday to tune into my Jubilee debate, which we will be talking about more next week. I'll see
01:10:25 you guys back here then.