Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - August 14, 2026


Ep 1384 ｜ Meet the Nurse who Fought the Biden DOJ Over Puberty Blockers— And Won ｜ Vanessa Sivadge


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00:00:00.000 I discovered that Texas Children's Hospital was billing Medicaid fraudulently for the sex-rejecting
00:00:06.820 hormones and treatments. You did this under the Biden administration. What was their reaction to
00:00:12.700 your claim? I was treated as the target of an investigation, not a witness to the investigation.
00:00:20.600 Was the hospital forced to admit wrongdoing?
00:00:30.000 Vanessa, thanks so much for being back on the couch for Relatable.
00:00:42.860 A lot has happened in the past few years since we talked.
00:00:47.180 You've been part of this historic settlement.
00:00:49.780 Texas Children's Hospital down in Houston has had to pay a lot of money,
00:00:54.500 admitted that they lied after you blew the whistle on illegal, immoral practices, the
00:01:01.480 giving of puberty blockers to children in the state of Texas, and you have been through so
00:01:07.860 much over the past few years. So let's rewind for those who may not know or need a refresher.
00:01:15.020 How did you end up here? How'd you get into all of this? Yeah, well, I can't tell you how honored
00:01:22.720 I am to be with you again. The last time I was here, I was absolutely terrified and insecure
00:01:29.920 and just having blown the whistle a few weeks prior. And so there's been a lot of growth in
00:01:38.720 these last two years and I've had to learn. I just remember not even knowing how to give an
00:01:44.660 interview when I was with you last. And so you were so kind and gracious. And so I really,
00:01:49.460 really appreciate that. And your audience, I mean, my goodness, they are, as you say,
00:01:54.780 the kindest audience and they've been so encouraging online and at Share the Arrows as
00:01:59.560 well. So I've really felt the love from your community. So thank you. Yeah. Well, as your
00:02:07.300 audience already knows, I anonymously blew the whistle in 2023, publicly blew the whistle in
00:02:14.060 2024. And the reason I did that is because I discovered that Texas Children's Hospital
00:02:19.800 was billing Medicaid fraudulently for the sex-rejecting hormones and treatments.
00:02:28.700 Previously, they had issued numerous statements denying that they were even transitioning kids
00:02:35.060 at all, made numerous statements to the public and to the press denying that this was even
00:02:41.000 happening on hospital premises. And then Dr. Eitan Haim, which I know you've spoken with,
00:02:47.720 came forward first anonymously. He blew the whistle on the fact that as a surgical resident,
00:02:53.420 he knew that this was happening, made national news. And that's when I first read the story.
00:03:00.060 As you say, courage is contagious. And that's when I built up the courage myself to come forward
00:03:06.520 after him. So I was the second whistleblower just to confirm and affirm what he had already said
00:03:12.400 because I knew he was getting attacked for it. But I was a nurse working in that multi-specialty
00:03:18.760 clinic where gender children, gender patients were being seen on a weekly basis. So I had a
00:03:24.700 firsthand view of what was going on, knew that the hospital was lying to the public. And so I came
00:03:30.700 forward at that time. And it turns out that even though I was anonymous in 2023, I was not anonymous
00:03:40.220 to the Biden DOJ because they sent two FBI agents to my home in July of 2023. And that encounter
00:03:47.880 radically altered the trajectory of my life. It was something I'll never forget. Very intimidating.
00:03:55.480 a lot of threats made against me because of my views on transgender medicine and how children
00:04:02.320 were being harmed. Ultimately, that set me on a path, though, to blow the whistle publicly,
00:04:09.280 to go public with my name because I knew that Texas taxpayers were being billed fraudulently
00:04:14.200 for gender hormones. Yeah. And people might not remember that at this time, it was also
00:04:20.240 illegal not just the medicaid fraud but it was illegal for um for hospitals to be operating in
00:04:28.500 this way not actual operations as in surgery but giving these as you said sex rejecting hormones
00:04:35.080 to children texas had prohibited that so they were not only committing medicaid fraud and by that
00:04:41.640 by the way just so people know if you could give some more details on that like they were saying
00:04:46.620 for example oh yeah Medicaid should cover these sex rejecting hormones for these children but
00:04:53.640 we're going to write down that it's really for something else or we're going to write down that
00:04:57.180 you really have this other sickness that requires these wrong hormones that's what was going on
00:05:02.440 that's the pattern that you noticed yeah so the the pattern very briefly was the hospital used
00:05:08.320 fake names on the medical record they used the patient's preferred name not their actual given
00:05:14.220 name at birth the hospital uh falsely falsified medical records they put the patient's preferred
00:05:21.040 gender identity on the medical record instead of their biological sex right then they misdiagnosed
00:05:28.060 patients intentionally um who were who were you know being um who were going through the gender
00:05:34.480 clinic misdiagnosed them for the purpose of obtaining reimbursement for the hormones they
00:05:39.920 were prescribing. And all of that made it very difficult for Texas Medicaid to ascertain that
00:05:48.060 there was fraud taking place because the hospital had used a false name, a false gender, and false
00:05:53.940 codes. And so you can imagine how difficult that would be for them to determine that there was
00:06:00.540 actual wrongdoing happening and fraud. Yes. So you were a nurse at this multifaceted clinic,
00:06:05.220 just so people know. It's not like you were working at a transgender clinic. This was just
00:06:09.180 one of the things that was going on. And for all you knew at the time, you're like, well,
00:06:12.680 this is just a hospital abiding by the law. They're not doing anything. How did you first
00:06:17.720 detect those patterns of like, wait, does this name match this person? Is this person really
00:06:23.040 diagnosed with this? Yeah, good question. Yeah, I accepted a job at Texas Children's in 2018.
00:06:30.440 I was there for six years. In 2021, though, I transferred departments. It was a lateral move
00:06:36.980 to just a different clinic. And this was a multi-specialty clinic. So this was all the
00:06:42.340 specialties housed under one roof and the gender clinic was one of them. I didn't know when I
00:06:46.760 accepted the job that the gender clinic was housed there until a couple of months in when I start to
00:06:54.420 notice gender patients every week, seeing the doctor, leaving with a prescription for a puberty
00:07:00.840 blocker or a cross-sex hormone. And all of a sudden I start getting messages from the parents
00:07:06.120 of these patients having either questions or concerns or needing a refill. And then
00:07:11.460 little by little, I start getting requests from insurance companies. They need authorization
00:07:16.800 for a teenage girl to get testosterone. And I immediately think to myself,
00:07:24.200 I don't agree with this. This is wrong. This is going to destroy her reproductive sexual health.
00:07:30.940 this is going to shrink her ovaries this is going to stop her period she may never have kids if she's
00:07:36.520 on this but it's just like it's very difficult to describe what it's like to be institutionally
00:07:45.420 gaslit where you're forced to you see something happening in front of your eyes but the place
00:07:52.480 that you're working at makes you feel like the crazy one because no one else is saying anything
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00:10:34.220 take us back to the original time that you blew the whistle like what what caused the
00:10:46.640 biden administration to send those officials to your front door that before you even became
00:10:54.200 an official relator in 2024 you blew the whistle in 2023 tell us about that process first yeah so
00:11:02.260 So actually, I don't know to this day how the FBI found me or came to my house.
00:11:09.340 I don't think we'll ever fully know, but I had blown the whistle anonymously two months
00:11:13.880 before the FBI came to my house.
00:11:15.940 So I was perfectly content to remain anonymous.
00:11:19.180 I didn't have plans to go public or to do anything else.
00:11:23.560 What I had done, though, the only thing public that I had done at the time was I wrote an
00:11:28.780 op-ed for the Washington stand called What Happened to Do No Harm? And it had my name on it
00:11:35.680 as the author. That is the only thing that I can point to now to where I think the Biden Department
00:11:42.000 of Justice saw that article with my name on it, put two and two together. And then two months
00:11:47.060 later, after I blew the whistle anonymously, I received a visit from the FBI. But that article
00:11:52.460 wasn't about Texas Children's necessarily, or was it? It was. I didn't name the hospital,
00:11:57.620 but i said i was a nurse working in a hospital so even if they did put two and two together
00:12:03.420 like there are a lot of things that the intelligence agency can't put together that
00:12:08.840 are as easy as two and two make four and yet they did pair you with your anonymous
00:12:14.760 supposedly whistleblower report and figured out this is who this is they would have had to be
00:12:21.500 in in my opinion looking for that someone filed this report they're more worried it seems like
00:12:27.560 that someone is working at texas children's that doesn't agree with transgenderism that is raising
00:12:34.360 a ruckus about that than they are that the hospital is doing something wrong because after
00:12:39.440 you file that report after you publish that article about some anonymous hospital you then
00:12:46.260 get two fbi agents showing up at your door not to know more about what's going on at the hospital
00:12:54.220 but to find out about you yeah that's exactly what it was it was a a visit and a visit intended to
00:13:02.540 and designed to intimidate right and to coerce um they informed me as soon as they knocked on
00:13:10.840 my door that they knew of my views uh and that if i did not collaborate with their investigation
00:13:16.880 that my career and my safety were at risk and so they were there were a lot of veiled threats made
00:13:23.220 designed to make me feel like I needed to stay silent about what I knew.
00:13:28.660 Ultimately, it didn't work and I went public.
00:13:31.360 Yeah. Tell us about after that. That was, you said, July of 2023. You had the FBI agent show.
00:13:36.580 I remember we played the clip last time on my show when you were there. And, you know,
00:13:41.840 they always try to seem friendly, like, oh, we're on your team. But what they were saying were,
00:13:46.340 it was just failed intimidation. Like, if you keep talking about this, you're going to be in
00:13:51.260 trouble basically um we're trying to help you kind of deal you saw through that you cited you know
00:13:58.460 what actually no i'm not gonna be quiet thanks though so what happened after that in 2023 yeah
00:14:05.120 well right after uh the fbi left my husband and i had a very long and serious talk about what to do
00:14:13.080 and um it was a you know i remember at the time just being paranoid of the smallest thing and now
00:14:21.820 it seems silly to think about but at the time when the fbi visits your house unexpectedly you start
00:14:27.140 to question everything you see outside the suburban driving um you know on the other end of the street
00:14:32.620 you just start to make up wild scenarios in your brain um because you've just been intimidated and
00:14:38.600 terrified and so um ultimately i remember thinking that i needed to tell the world what i knew what i
00:14:48.460 knew to be true and a few months after that is when i discovered evidence of fraud and uh so before it
00:14:57.060 was just sorry to interject at this point it it was just that this thing was going on that you
00:15:03.640 didn't agree with but also was illegal because at this point you weren't supposed to be giving wrong
00:15:07.960 sex hormones to kids to identify as the opposite sex that's what you originally blew the whistle
00:15:14.260 on that's what got the biden administration all angry it wasn't until a few months after that that
00:15:20.360 you realized the medicaid fraud portion of it yes yeah that's correct and so week after week
00:15:26.580 a couple of months later after that started to see evidence of false billing and incorrect
00:15:34.300 the misdiagnosing of gender patients intentionally. And just some red flags started to go off. I just
00:15:41.000 thought this looked strange. And by the way, I wasn't the only one who had access to these
00:15:45.700 records. There were countless nurses and medical assistants and doctors. I mean, I was not the only
00:15:51.160 one. But it just didn't sit right with me. It just kind of triggered something in me where
00:15:57.760 now I realize that like Texas taxpayers were being lied to and stolen from. And at that point,
00:16:04.960 it's not just me, right? Now I'm mad for my state and for taxpaying citizens who are unknowingly
00:16:12.220 funding the destruction of children's bodies. And so at that point, I decided, well, no,
00:16:17.300 I actually do need to think very seriously about coming forward publicly.
00:16:22.680 And I'm sure a question that maybe some people have as they're listening to this,
00:16:26.960 why didn't you just quit your job i tried you know i i well i i tried to transfer roles i tried to
00:16:34.780 um just find a different job in a different department um went through several rounds of
00:16:40.680 interviews to that effect nothing ever worked out in the end i think there were just some
00:16:47.220 doors that were clearly closed that now i know why they were closed i think god wanted me there
00:16:53.640 to, to witness what I, to, to come forward with what I knew. Um, but I did try. Uh, it just,
00:17:00.500 it just kind of never really worked out. So. Right. And obviously it was God's providence
00:17:06.500 that kept you there. You saw the Medicaid fraud, you decided, okay, I'm going to come public
00:17:10.820 with this 2024. At that point, when you, when you saw the fraud and you decided to come forward,
00:17:16.800 had you heard anything else from the FBI or was it just that one visit and then radio silence?
00:17:22.000 No, I never heard anything else.
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00:18:47.060 did you decide so in may of 2024 we filed the false claims act okay and then in june is when
00:18:54.140 i went public with my story on the fraud okay and tell us about that whole process what that was
00:19:00.100 like and then the repercussions after that yeah well it was um it was very intimidating i had
00:19:08.660 never uh spoken in public before i had never given an interview that those were um that was a skill
00:19:15.780 set that I had never needed in the past. I could probably save your kid's life, but I couldn't
00:19:21.660 give an interview. And so those were muscles that I quickly had to develop and learn to use very
00:19:29.780 quickly. And so, yeah, I mean, you can imagine my life changed overnight. I blew the whistle.
00:19:35.100 One day I was a nurse. The next day the hospital had put me on leave. The story made national news
00:19:41.300 when the video of the FBI was posted and it was viewed millions of times
00:19:45.300 in just a couple of days. Where was the first place that you blasted this?
00:19:48.920 Christopher Rufo published the piece. Yes, yes. Okay, I remember. And he published
00:19:53.140 the FBI video. And it was wild. I mean, we started
00:19:57.320 getting tax messages from friends who had no idea that this had happened to us.
00:20:01.380 Right. So that's very odd to see yourself online and to go through that.
00:20:06.640 But anyway, I just
00:20:08.040 um did my best and as you know kind of tried to roll with the punches for the next several weeks
00:20:14.340 and then in august a couple months later the hospital officially fired me um i believe
00:20:20.640 continue to believe that the hospital fired me in retaliation for blowing the whistle
00:20:24.580 but that's not what they claimed it's not what they claimed what did they say um they claimed
00:20:30.320 that i had accessed records inappropriately of course the very same records that proved
00:20:36.880 that they were committing fraud right so yeah and that was part of if i remember correctly
00:20:41.820 kind of what is this true what the fbi had also said that like hey like if you're accessing things
00:20:49.940 you're not supposed to access you could get in trouble or am i or is that something else that
00:20:53.600 was just the hospital just the hospital yeah okay yeah because the medicaid came after the fbi visit
00:20:58.180 the medicaid fraud realization came after so it was the hospital who originally said that yeah and
00:21:02.560 at what point in 2024 around blowing the whistle did you become a relator um and explain that
00:21:10.880 again what that is and what that process was like for sure yeah so uh under the false claims act
00:21:17.680 someone can bring evidence forward that the government has been defrauded
00:21:22.680 that's that's referred to as a key tam lawsuit key tam is a latin phrase and it just means that
00:21:30.300 you're bringing an action forward on behalf of the king or on behalf of the government.
00:21:36.440 This is one of the only ways that the government can know or can be made aware of the fact
00:21:45.560 that their resources have been either abused or misallocated, is when someone has inside
00:21:50.840 knowledge that brings that forward.
00:21:53.580 And so the False Claims Act was filed in May of 2024.
00:21:57.400 I had to be incredibly cautious with what I shared during these last two years because that is a
00:22:04.180 lawsuit that goes under seal. It's absolutely secret. You cannot tell anyone that you are
00:22:10.040 actually collaborating with the federal government as they investigate the hospital that you've just
00:22:15.200 blown the whistle on. They have to be able to conduct that investigation without interference
00:22:22.260 from the public as you can imagine they kind of just need to do that privately uh and so for the
00:22:27.980 last two years many people have asked me well what did you do like what you blew the whistle
00:22:32.040 you saw this but did you file anything do you have something going on and you couldn't i couldn't say
00:22:36.500 a word and so um now i can and i'm super grateful that i can i can reveal everything that's happened
00:22:43.520 in the last two years but at the time that was very difficult um yeah because you want to be able
00:22:48.820 to defend yourself maybe you want to be able to add validity to what you've done and say well
00:22:54.140 there's actually a lot going on that you don't know right now right but you can't and so yeah
00:22:59.420 so that was hard yeah so uh for the for the last two years the government has been conducting their
00:23:06.740 investigation there have been countless um behind the scenes setbacks negotiations uh lots of that
00:23:15.740 that maybe someday I'll be able to talk more fully about,
00:23:18.720 but it was very difficult.
00:23:20.860 And so that's kind of a little bit
00:23:24.940 of what the False Claims Act is for,
00:23:27.120 what it was designed for.
00:23:28.200 Actually, it was passed and signed under President Lincoln,
00:23:31.860 and only in the last 30 or 40 years was it made stronger.
00:23:37.980 Okay.
00:23:38.560 And so you did this in 2024.
00:23:41.220 You did this under the Biden administration,
00:23:43.200 knowing where they stand on so-called transgender medicine.
00:23:48.500 The head of their HHS and the assistant head of their HHS,
00:23:52.960 very pro-transing the kids.
00:23:56.340 And so I imagine you knew that the response from the DOJ to a claim like this
00:24:01.180 might not be super friendly or excited.
00:24:05.260 What was their reaction to your claim?
00:24:07.940 Yeah. Well, I can tell you a story to kind of answer that question. A couple of months later, after we filed the False Claims Act in August of 2024, just a couple of weeks after I first spoke with you, actually, I was brought in in what they call the relator interview.
00:24:26.000 and that is when the government sits down and ascertains if you are a credible witness to what
00:24:33.460 you've just blown the whistle on it is supposed to be a neutral fact-finding opportunity for the
00:24:40.500 government to question you you know and basically determine if if it's worth their time to then go
00:24:47.280 in and investigate what you have claimed under normal circumstances the government should be
00:24:54.300 very grateful for what whistleblowers have just brought forward. You're essentially doing the
00:24:59.660 government a service. You're exposing something that they were unaware of that's illegal and
00:25:04.300 fraudulent. Under normal circumstances, this is something they should be very interested in
00:25:10.160 pursuing. Not so under the Biden administration. I remember talking to my attorneys beforehand.
00:25:17.880 They did an excellent job coaching me. And, you know, they told me before we walked in, they said, you know, this is going to be a couple hours long. Maybe five or six people will be there as far as we know. These are kind of the questions you need to prepare for, to be prepared to answer. But we'll be there with you the whole time. Like, you're going to do great, you know.
00:25:39.480 And I remember we drove to a skyscraper in downtown Houston, went up to the very top floor, went through metal detectors, and I remember snapping a photo just before walking into the conference room.
00:25:53.840 And the photo was of President Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris, and two other senior members of the Biden administration in that office.
00:26:06.560 and I remember wait in person no photos so they were on the wall okay photos on the wall yeah
00:26:14.020 and I just snapped a picture because I just I just kind of had this realization that
00:26:20.480 I was like in enemy territory now like this was not safe it's chilling and so walked into the
00:26:27.540 conference room. And lo and behold, there are not five or six, but 20 to 25 senior administrative
00:26:37.180 officials in the Biden Department of Justice, the Office of Inspector General, the Center for
00:26:43.840 Medicaid and Medicare Services, federal, multiple state agencies, the FBI, the Department of Defense,
00:26:52.040 the texas state attorney general um and multiple other agencies had sent representatives down from
00:27:00.700 dc for this meeting and i was absolutely just shocked you're like for little me for me and the
00:27:08.400 table was full the table of 10 people was full standing room only and for the next four hours
00:27:14.000 I was grilled with the most combative questions, the most threatening questions.
00:27:21.440 Are you allowed to give an example?
00:27:23.960 Yeah, for example, one of the questions I received was,
00:27:29.220 well, Vanessa, why didn't you let the hospital know that they had committed fraud?
00:27:35.900 Why didn't you go through the proper channels and do it the right way
00:27:39.520 instead of blowing the whistle to a reporter and to the media?
00:27:42.740 why didn't you just do the right thing and um an impossible question right it really sets you up
00:27:49.920 and makes you just you know internally you're thinking like would i let an arsonist know that
00:27:56.960 they just started a fire i don't think so right you would never do that like that's ludicrous
00:28:01.740 right right um and i had followed ever every proper channel there are i did everything correctly
00:28:07.980 and by the book, but the hospital was just very upset that they had been caught red-handed.
00:28:14.300 And you knew at that point because that was, you know, that was months after you had originally
00:28:19.440 discovered that they were doing something illegal and doing something immoral and unethical.
00:28:23.920 So that was kind of like the last straw for you to say, okay, we need some accountability.
00:28:29.700 And like you said, criminals don't do accountability for themselves.
00:28:35.260 No one can really hold themselves accountable.
00:28:37.980 And so that's why you went to the media and was like, okay, we got to figure this out.
00:28:42.460 We have to put this to an end.
00:28:44.340 Children's bodies and lives are on the line.
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00:30:13.340 So they immediately, it seemed like in their questions, that one, and I'm guessing the other
00:30:18.440 ones too, the assumption was in all the questions, you did something wrong. Why are you causing these
00:30:25.100 problems do you have ulterior motives kind of things like that it didn't feel to you like they
00:30:32.820 were really trying to understand what was going on yeah like i was treated as the target of an
00:30:39.480 investigation not a witness to the investigation um and they asked all of their questions in a very
00:30:48.840 hostile way they asked they we spent about half of two hours out of the four hours talking about
00:30:55.160 all my previous jobs and all my co-workers and their names and situations that absolutely had
00:31:02.900 zero relevance to the medicaid fraud that i had uncovered things like that um now looking back
00:31:09.180 it's very evident that this was a setup that this was an intimidation yeah what were they trying to
00:31:15.340 accomplished though you know i think i think they just wanted to intimidate me i think it was just a
00:31:23.360 a way to make me feel like i had i had done this all for nothing and that this wasn't going to go
00:31:30.200 anywhere because they were in charge did they ask you about your personal beliefs did they ask you
00:31:36.140 about transgenderism your christianity yeah why questions like why did you blow the why did you
00:31:41.720 do this why is it wrong why do you feel like it's wrong and it's hard to that and it's hard to
00:31:47.480 answer that it is to those kind of people yeah because you're not answering to a room full of
00:31:52.420 christians right who share that faith with you right that worldview you're answering to a hostile
00:31:57.340 audience and so i had to answer in a very scientific medical way which is fine i mean
00:32:03.700 there's that's perfectly fine to answer that way as well but very difficult very intimidating
00:32:08.360 yeah wow and how did it end like I imagine it was probably kind of awkward when it wrapped up
00:32:16.400 yeah well I mean my attorneys did an amazing job they were they were there with me the whole time
00:32:21.940 they were coaching me they were at the time I remember we joke about it now but I thought when
00:32:27.960 I first walked in that this was normal like they they maintained the poker face throughout the
00:32:33.800 entire exchange only later did i discover that this was an absolute outrage this was absurd this
00:32:41.340 had never happened before because i know you said they told you it'll be five or six people two hours
00:32:45.720 it was 25 people four hours what did they say afterwards well only after did they actually
00:32:51.460 reveal that what had just happened wasn't was just in a travesty of justice this was unheard of
00:32:56.960 never has that happened before with any other relator right just the kind of questions and
00:33:02.200 their tone yes wow yeah and the number of people the agencies represented there were fbi agents at
00:33:07.960 that meeting i had just had the fbi to my house the year prior so that again it was just like us
00:33:13.980 it was intimidation wow okay what happened after that yeah so for the next uh two years
00:33:22.680 um nothing happened that the public knew about it was a lot of private back and forth the government
00:33:30.860 had to conduct their investigation um and also the department of justice changed during that time
00:33:37.780 donald trump was elected president and uh i'm so grateful because if he had not been elected
00:33:45.760 president i i do believe that i would be in jail along with dr heim um they almost attorneys believe
00:33:53.300 that too i believe so i don't want to speak for them but i believe so um they almost succeeded
00:33:59.820 in putting Dr. Heim in jail for 10 years. They fabricated charges against him. And I thought
00:34:05.700 for a time that they would maybe try to fabricate charges against me as well. I just didn't know.
00:34:12.040 And sorry, I don't want to derail us, but just in case people don't know who Dr. Heim is,
00:34:16.400 I actually had his wife on, it was probably a year or more ago because Dr. Heim wasn't able
00:34:22.700 to come on legally and talk about all of that at the time. But people might not know how his story
00:34:29.280 interweaves with yours and his significance here. I don't want to take us on too long of an aside,
00:34:35.800 but could you just kind of illuminate who he is and why he's so significant in this story too?
00:34:41.280 Yeah. Very briefly, Dr. Eitan Heim was a surgical resident at Texas Children's.
00:34:47.460 We did not know each other while we both were employed there, but he anonymously blew the
00:34:53.280 whistle, made national news. And that's when I realized that Texas Children's was secretly
00:35:00.440 transitioning children in the same hospital that I worked at. Secret because I had seen it happening,
00:35:07.440 but I didn't realize that the hospital had kept it a secret from the public. And so all I did was
00:35:14.560 I read that testimony and said, I need to corroborate his account. And so I came forward
00:35:20.820 separate from him and blew the whistle anonymously a few weeks after he did wow and he also was
00:35:27.800 represented by the same attorney yes and so um okay so after that after the later interview
00:35:36.940 and after the so the changing of the guards at the beginning of 2025 i'm sure even though you
00:35:44.920 didn't know exactly what was going to happen you were relieved by that and well i guess my first
00:35:49.260 question is in between that interview and the inauguration was there any communication from
00:35:56.160 the federal government to you? Not to me it went through my attorneys so they continued to go back
00:36:02.440 and forth privately. Okay and can you say anything about what they were trying to like what were they
00:36:07.700 talking to your attorneys about? In short there were a lot of delays because the previous
00:36:12.880 this administration was not moving the ball forward. They were stalling. They did not want
00:36:19.400 to very, you know, we all know why they did not want to pursue this case. And so there were a lot
00:36:26.920 of delays, a lot of extensions, even into the Trump administration. There were numerous former
00:36:35.000 Biden DOJ officials that remained in some of those positions, even as a few months after
00:36:41.180 uh president trump was elected and my attorneys really fought for me on that um they knew what
00:36:48.500 was what was being held up and who was doing the holding up and so they really advocated on my
00:36:54.260 behalf yeah you were never charged no by the doj and i i think this is my opinion that probably
00:37:05.760 the reason they didn't bring those charges forth it was an election year they saw the writing on
00:37:11.360 the wall this is going to blow up into a whole story we don't really want that right now let us
00:37:16.920 wait until kamala wins and then we'll take care of this girl um that's my opinion on probably what
00:37:25.700 was happening why they didn't come forward and actually charge you but also why they were slow
00:37:29.860 rolling the investigation into the hospital. So you said that those kind of delays, when it came
00:37:37.840 to the investigation of the Medicaid fraud that they were supposed to be heading up, continued
00:37:42.400 even after Trump got into office. Can you say, do you know who was responsible for those delays?
00:37:49.340 No, I don't. I really don't. All I know is that my attorneys were working as hard as they could
00:37:55.600 to make sure that this was moved forward and that it was taken seriously, both by the Department
00:38:02.520 of Justice and the Texas Attorney General's team, which very grateful for them. They've just
00:38:07.900 really, really thankful for everything they've accomplished. But yeah, I mean, it takes time,
00:38:12.800 right? There's red tape, there's bureaucracy, there's delays. And so of course, when you're
00:38:18.820 working with a hospital, you're not, I'm saying when, if you're the government working with this
00:38:24.220 hospital, you have to obtain records and documents, and you have to verify that everything that I've
00:38:29.580 brought forward is actually legit, that I'm being truthful, that I'm not making anything up, that I'm
00:38:34.000 not overblowing the severity of what's happened. And so they have to dedicate a lot of resources
00:38:39.540 and time to conducting a thorough investigation. And so it does take time. So I ultimately,
00:38:47.960 now we know that it all worked out after everything that they did.
00:38:52.740 so yeah tell me about so the lawsuit and the settlement that was just secured we're going to
00:38:58.300 talk about the details of that but is is that separate from the investigation by the federal
00:39:04.940 government into the hospital no same it's as a result of as a result of okay so walk us through
00:39:11.500 that the investigation took time this is now we're kind of into 2025 changing the guard some delays
00:39:17.500 your attorneys continue to fight for you fight for this investigation to continue going into
00:39:22.480 texas children's and then now just now we're kind of getting the results of that settlement so kind
00:39:29.520 of explain all of that to us for people who are like wait i don't know how these processes and
00:39:34.840 how these settlements come about yeah it is it is very confusing so i i totally understand it's
00:39:40.160 still confusing for me even but um ultimately um the medicaid the evidence of medicaid fraud that
00:39:47.980 i had brought forward led to a multi-year investigation that was really um conducted
00:39:55.480 by both the state government because again the state of texas sends by paxton led by paxton
00:40:01.400 sends uh medicaid dollars to the hospital and the federal government also sends federal tax
00:40:08.720 dollars to the hospital so both agencies have to collaborate um and and conduct this investigation
00:40:15.540 as thoroughly as possible. And ultimately, a couple of months ago in May, it was initially
00:40:22.340 announced that a $10 million settlement had been reached, including the establishment of
00:40:30.780 America's First Detransition Clinic, the firing of five physicians that had conducted, that had
00:40:38.340 been, you know, a party to these to these procedures, these sex rejecting procedures
00:40:44.140 and a host of ethics and compliance regulations that the hospital now has to abide by as a result.
00:40:52.160 OK. And then tell us more about like the recent headline, what, 10.2 million dollar settlement
00:41:00.420 that's completely historic. Tell us about that and how that came about.
00:41:06.280 yeah well a lot of people suspected over the year you know especially well in the last couple of
00:41:11.760 months a lot of people approached me and said was this your settlement like did you is is the
00:41:16.280 10 million dollars yours like did you do this and i i was like i don't know i don't i can't really
00:41:23.100 say right now um and uh what ended up happening was attorney general paxton in may issued a press
00:41:30.060 release that said that all of his office, the United States government, my attorneys, and
00:41:36.720 Texas Children's had reached an initial agreement. And so for the last three months, that agreement
00:41:43.920 was put into writing. It took a couple months. And now, two weeks ago, every single party,
00:41:52.120 all the parties have signed on the dotted line. And so once everyone's signed, then it was made
00:41:57.680 public who actually brought this forward. And so for the first time, I was able to reveal that I
00:42:04.540 was the key Tamra later, the whistleblower that forced Texas Children's Hospital that compelled
00:42:10.600 them to pay $10 million back to the government because the government was defrauded and established
00:42:17.160 this detransition clinic, the first of its kind in America. So the government, the DOJ should be
00:42:22.040 thrilled with you you should be their favorite person i think i am now thanks you know the
00:42:27.800 trump administration they've been so good to me very so good to me and so so grateful for them
00:42:32.580 yeah but um can't imagine what it would have been like had this doj not come in when they did people
00:42:40.400 don't realize that when they're voting they are voting for this yeah they're voting for the
00:42:45.100 outcomes of people like you in your lives when you do the right thing and that is really you
00:42:53.240 know that's what happens when you have people in power who call evil good and good evil
00:42:56.720 that trickles down into everything
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00:44:53.400 Because typically in a settlement, you don't have to. That's kind of the point of the settlement.
00:44:57.220 but they had to say right that they did something wrong yes they did and let me tell you a little
00:45:05.200 bit about that um in the months leading up to my firing in 2024 the hospital issued numerous
00:45:12.400 statements numerous false statements upholding that they had kept every single law that they
00:45:19.100 had not committed fraud that they had conducted an internal investigation and that they had found
00:45:24.880 no evidence of wrongdoing. Essentially, in not so many words, saying that everything that I had
00:45:30.660 brought forward was a lie, that I was a disgruntled employee and labeled me, just slandered me
00:45:38.200 indirectly. And that had a tremendous, as you can imagine, a tremendous effect on my ability to find
00:45:46.880 work. The Texas Medical Center is the largest in the world. And so when a hospital is issuing a
00:45:54.220 number of statements against you very publicly for anyone to access and and discover you can
00:46:00.420 imagine how that would be difficult to find employment and just to to get on with your life
00:46:04.680 and to be labeled a liar that really just from a on a very personal level that just really deeply
00:46:10.880 affected me um made me question whether if everything that i had put on the line and
00:46:17.260 sacrifice would be worth it, would result to anything significant in the end, if there would
00:46:24.580 be justice for the children that were harmed in this clinic that I had seen. Ultimately, they're
00:46:31.500 the ones why I did this at the end of the day. They're the true victims of this story. Yes,
00:46:38.360 I did lose a lot. And yes, I did go through a lot. But man, their lives will never be the same
00:46:43.260 as a result of what these doctors did to them and so um anyway i i think of them still i pray for
00:46:52.800 them um i pray that they're doing okay actually i've gotten a number of horrific messages from
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00:47:06.660 and disgusting language uh talking about what i've done and this detransition clinic you angry
00:47:12.140 at me yeah not thanking me angry at me um fully convinced that if they had not had access to the
00:47:19.740 the drugs and the hormones that they would have committed suicide um and just a host of other
00:47:26.760 things that i won't even repeat but you know i think um everyone's deceived for a time
00:47:33.700 and one day they're going to wake up and realize that they were manipulated and deceived and harmed
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00:48:04.740 that detransitioners can obtain for free um so i'm i'm praying for those people you know those
00:48:12.320 patients not just in texas but around the country and around the world who will now have an
00:48:17.040 opportunity to get the care they need so the hospital had to admit that they lied about you
00:48:22.120 the hospital had to admit it and even actually just a couple of days ago they put up a statement
00:48:28.700 on their website admitting that they did perform sex rejecting procedures on minors something that
00:48:35.580 they had denied for years and that they have removed all other media statements to this effect
00:48:42.680 media statements that had of course contradicted me and said that this this new statement that
00:48:49.200 they've put up is now the superseding statement so they admitted that they lied they admitted
00:48:54.900 they misled the public and they admitted that they did in fact transition children and that
00:48:59.740 they've stopped since then wow um you know i want to highlight a term that we haven't used and i'm
00:49:06.060 kind of upset that i didn't come up with it first and that's sex rejecting hormones sometimes i'll
00:49:13.140 say like cross sex hormones or wrong sex hormones or so-called gender transition because i think
00:49:19.720 language is so important and you and your lawyers it was really important for you to have accurate
00:49:26.300 language yes not only that you're using but also that the court is using when describing this
00:49:31.760 talk more about that that term sex rejecting hormones and what you guys were able to do
00:49:37.440 linguistically to yeah get that accurate representation even in court documents
00:49:42.980 yeah you know words you've said this a lot words shape the way we understand reality
00:49:48.900 and marcella burke my attorney is a champion in this because she did not let this go in the
00:49:57.520 settlement negotiations she really believed strongly that we needed to frame this truthfully
00:50:04.440 because that's exactly what sex rejecting is it's a truthful way it's not a euphemism
00:50:11.420 um it's it's not anything cute that we can kind of cloak what's actually going on with these
00:50:18.020 hormones that destroy children they reject a child's god-given sex that's what's going on
00:50:24.700 and so um she really fought for that language to be included in there wow i'm super proud of of her
00:50:32.640 and of and of that um she did not let that go and so now i'm i mean the department of justice has
00:50:38.800 said that this um this settlement this lawsuit will serve as a blueprint for other pending
00:50:44.700 settlements happening across the country and my hope is that they will also use sex rejecting as
00:50:51.120 as the term as as the word because um we need to stop surrendering the language to the left
00:50:57.760 we need to take back the language yes people you know they use the term like oh well that's just
00:51:03.380 semantics to try to belittle someone's argument well semantics isn't everything but it's a lot
00:51:10.040 because like you said, language is shaping how we think about things, which means that it affects
00:51:15.540 our consciousness and our conscience, what we think is good and right and true. And that affects
00:51:22.520 policy and policy affects people as we talk about so much. So I think it's so important and brave
00:51:27.560 that your attorney did that because I see a lot people who are, and I will never knock them for
00:51:33.160 fighting valiantly for on the right side of things, but, you know, feel like they have to
00:51:37.920 kind of cater to progressive language, even in these battles in order to try to advance their
00:51:43.960 point. I even see sometimes in the Supreme Court, you know, some of the language they use, I'm like,
00:51:50.440 well, you know, it's a little hard if you're saying, yeah, women don't, or men don't belong
00:51:55.900 in women's sports, but you're calling this athlete she. That, you know, that's tough. Yeah. And so
00:52:01.740 it is, it's so important. And I would say that is a huge victory. I'm going to start saying
00:52:07.560 sex rejecting hormones you heard it from marcella burke and vanessa first um you know i just saw
00:52:14.320 this news just this week that the trump administration is announcing the end of federal
00:52:18.940 taxpayer-funded sex rejecting procedures on children including surgeries and hormones under
00:52:25.400 the new rule this is according to cnbc medicaid and children's health insurance program chip
00:52:30.000 can no longer be used for these procedures effective october 13th 2026 they will continue
00:52:35.720 to be used for mental health treatment for gender dysphoria for children actively undergoing hormone
00:52:41.360 procedures medicaid will slowly taper off for six months state funding can still be used to cover
00:52:47.260 the procedure so obviously state by state it's going to it's going to depend where you live
00:52:52.940 texas is one of those states where it's not supposed to cover that um what is your reaction
00:52:57.060 to this do you have any insight into what else could be coming down the pipeline when it comes
00:53:02.460 to protecting children in this way and taxpayers yeah i mean my only reaction to that is man praise
00:53:09.020 god that um especially christians who so strongly oppose this uh that their tax dollars will um
00:53:19.220 not go towards things that they hate and not go towards things that god hates uh i'm sure yeah
00:53:25.780 i'm just very grateful that really we're just seeing the slow death of a demonic ideology
00:53:31.940 totally in every sense of the word so
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00:55:06.780 trying at times, strengthening at other moments. What can you say about that?
00:55:11.580 um i think it's a couple of things i mean i could say so much but just a few things i would say is
00:55:25.120 um
00:55:26.880 god writes the best stories and this is a story that only god could write
00:55:35.980 And so he's the author. He holds the pen. And I'm just really humbled and really honored that he somehow decided to use me and to use us, my husband and I, to do something so great for his glory.
00:55:59.700 and I can't I just I can take no credit for it I was just I was just a nurse trying to do my best
00:56:07.240 for the glory of God yeah and um literally just you just did the next right thing yeah you just
00:56:13.060 did the next right thing you really did yeah and uh the second thing I would say is that um
00:56:18.020 you know God specializes in doing the impossible and in redeeming what the enemy means for evil
00:56:27.520 and using it for good um joseph the story of joseph in genesis is probably one of my favorites
00:56:35.380 where um joseph is betrayed by those closest to him he's trafficked to a foreign land
00:56:42.080 he's wrongfully accused he's fired from his really ludic um lucrative job and thrown into prison
00:56:52.780 and then there's this beautiful reunification at the end of it
00:56:56.740 where his brothers come because they're starving
00:56:58.720 and there's this beautiful picture at the end of it
00:57:04.000 where Joseph tells his brothers
00:57:07.940 you know what you meant for evil
00:57:10.660 God has turned around and used it for good
00:57:12.980 and for the saving of many lives
00:57:15.320 and so that's what I hope this will be
00:57:19.140 that there will be many lives saved many futures changed because of this clinic
00:57:27.340 and ultimately that's I mean I'm just it makes it all worth it when I think about
00:57:36.200 the men the young men and women who will have an opportunity to get the care that's been denied to
00:57:43.880 them. And so I'm very, very grateful for that. Yes. And you are now leading up Protect Texas
00:57:52.320 Children. So talk a little bit about that so people can know if they want to get involved,
00:57:57.900 if they want to be a part of it, what can they do? Yes. Protecting Texas Children is
00:58:03.620 an advocacy organization that I launched last year in 2025. And we work to advance
00:58:11.160 pro-child policies in Texas. We work to defend children from radical gender ideology in all of
00:58:18.340 its forums, not just in medicine, but in media and in every other sector of life because that
00:58:25.140 ideology is present everywhere. And so we work with lawmakers to advance good policies and good
00:58:32.900 bills um and one of one of those that i'm especially excited about is um next year in
00:58:40.700 the 90th session there will be a bill um allowing detransitioners to obtain justice
00:58:46.680 will enable them to sue their doctors for medical malpractice right now detransitioners in texas
00:58:53.640 only have a window of two years to sue well usually it takes years and years before they
00:59:01.000 recognize the harm that's been done to them and it's deeply unfair to them and so we have lawmakers
00:59:05.940 in the house and senate who are going to champion this cause and we're going to be right there with
00:59:09.560 them to ensure that um detransitioners can hold the institutions and the providers accountable
00:59:15.660 who wronged them yeah and so we're it's something i'm deeply proud to lead and it's given me a lot
00:59:21.940 of purpose and i'm just very excited to be a part of it yeah wow and if anyone wants to know like
00:59:29.060 okay what really are the consequences i talked to soren i know that you know soren and she wasn't a
00:59:35.540 child i think she was she was young though 19 or 20 when she had these procedures and hers was a
00:59:40.900 little different it was and it was down in austin it was immediate like yeah something's wrong yeah
00:59:46.320 the gender clinic did nothing to help her yeah um and so but she is a prime example of why these
00:59:53.760 people need to have avenues for justice because it is an injustice so many people are just their
01:00:01.340 doctors just bypass normal medical practices when it comes to things that are ideological whether
01:00:08.980 it's being able to get the apportion pill by mail or whether it's being able to so-called change
01:00:15.400 your sex it's like ideology trumps good medicine and actually what you're fighting for
01:00:20.820 is good medicine yeah going all the way back to that fateful washington stand article what happened
01:00:27.340 to do no harm yeah you're actually just trying to go back to the spirit of what medicine is actually
01:00:32.940 supposed to be yeah in this country yeah um well vanessa i am so thankful for you and i'm thankful
01:00:41.700 yes that my audience gets to share your arrows that's why you were the share the arrows award
01:00:47.160 winner in 2024 i just knew okay that award is for someone who has shown courage but it's also for
01:00:52.900 someone who has shared arrows with someone else and that's what you're doing you're like okay all
01:00:58.380 of these kids all these people who have been wronged in this way who have been maimed you're
01:01:02.760 like yeah you know what whatever pain you're enduring i'm gonna take on some of my own i'm
01:01:07.920 gonna absorb these blows i'm gonna walk in to that room with these federal agents to intimidate me
01:01:14.900 you're not doing it on your behalf you could have quit your job you could have just been like you
01:01:20.020 know what i'm just gonna quit i'm gonna figure this out i'm gonna open an etsy shop you could
01:01:25.440 have you or you could have become a nurse somewhere else and you could have not caused any problems
01:01:30.100 that's what 99 of people will do but you took the arrows for kids and you said i'm gonna walk into
01:01:36.540 this room because you can't and i'm gonna be your voice because you don't have one and i'm just
01:01:41.360 thankful for you i'm thankful for your courage and for don't cry because i'm gonna cry for the
01:01:46.540 courage that the lord gave you i know you're not taking credit for it it is the lord for any of us
01:01:50.780 but just thank you because your courage is contagious and you have no idea who's listening
01:01:54.820 who is about to do the next right thing they have no idea what god is going to do through that so
01:02:00.460 thank you i have a gift for you that i'd love for you to open if that's okay okay opening in front
01:02:06.140 of so many people but i'll do it and i don't know what it is i knew that i knew that this was coming
01:02:11.840 but i don't know what it is okay everyone if you're not watching on youtube it might just be
01:02:20.140 um a couple minutes of awkwardness oh my goodness so beautiful i love this it's protect the innocent
01:02:27.820 it's my favorite color so these mugs we made them available last year at share the arrows
01:02:33.600 okay and your audience wiped us out not surprising absolutely just went wild for them
01:02:40.560 so come to share the arrows y'all are gonna be back you can get yeah so that you can buy a mug
01:02:45.680 to support us um and also so that you can hear allie talk yes and yes but please and support
01:02:53.920 protect texas children yeah how are texas children however you can oh my goodness those
01:02:59.720 our prayer cards for your children yes that's so sweet thank you so much you're so welcome thank
01:03:05.540 you yes drink coffee in that mug and think of us i will i will always but really everyone should
01:03:11.740 come to share the arrows vanessa will be there i will i remember the first year when you went i
01:03:17.000 was like so sketchy about it because you were gonna leave the next day yes i was and i didn't
01:03:22.600 i didn't know how this was our first year doing it so i was like wait i don't know how to handle
01:03:27.100 this and you were like yeah I'm you were there on Friday night at dinner and you were like yeah
01:03:31.440 I'm gonna have to leave like early tomorrow during it and I was like that's not gonna work
01:03:36.300 because we have an award ceremony and you are coming on stage so but we figured it out I think
01:03:42.260 you probably sussed it out a little bit before that but yeah so thankful for you and thankful
01:03:47.920 for this too thank you so much enjoy it thank you so much
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