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Ep 1406 | Did Socialists Take Over the Democratic Party? What You Don’t Know | Victor Davis Hanson

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00:00:00.000 One of the greatest myths of our time right now is that a Bill Clinton, JFK, Harry Truman 0.92
00:00:06.400 Democratic Party is trying to be hijacked by crazy socialists. Who came up with the idea
00:00:13.020 before the socialists ever mentioned it, 10 years ago, of packing the court, getting rid
00:00:18.140 of the filibuster, destroying the electoral college? The Democratic Party, it's a chicken
00:00:22.740 and an egg question. They were the chicken and they hatched the socialist egg. They're
00:00:27.860 not called the Republican Socialists of America. They're not called the Independent Socialists of
00:00:32.340 America. They're not called the Socialists of America. They're called the Democratic Socialists
00:00:36.340 of America. It was the natural home. So the chicken was the Democratic Party and the egg
00:00:41.160 was the Socialists, not the other way around. Before we get into that fascinating conversation
00:00:48.780 with Victor Davis Hanson, tomorrow is the day, y'all. Tomorrow is shared era. So if for some
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00:01:20.420 maybe just today if you're like you know what i just want to worship alongside light-minded women
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00:01:52.460 with you attendees at share the errors. So go to share the errors.com. All right, without further
00:01:57.180 ado, here is our friend Victor Davis Hanson. Victor Davis Hanson, thanks so much for taking
00:02:11.340 the time to join us. All right. You argue in your latest book that is now out the counter revolution
00:02:18.120 that we are countering a revolution.
00:02:21.420 But tell us what we are countering
00:02:24.360 before we talk about what the counter-revolution actually is.
00:02:29.260 Well, the second Trump administration, I think,
00:02:32.560 is quite a lot different than the first.
00:02:34.900 It's not addressing symptoms of progressivism,
00:02:39.440 but it's addressing the causes of it or the origins
00:02:43.700 or the whole 50-year, 60-year, 70-year progressive project.
00:02:48.120 And by that, I mean, they're trying to say, why do we have an open border?
00:02:53.160 It's not just enough to build a wall or to close it.
00:02:55.960 Why do we have that?
00:02:56.920 Why do we have DEI?
00:02:59.140 Where do these ideas come from?
00:03:01.360 And why do we just address the symptoms, but we never go to the causes?
00:03:05.620 So what the causes they feel are, and this is why I think they're so controversial and
00:03:10.980 earn such odium from the left.
00:03:12.660 Why do governments or movements abroad hate the United States, given that we're very generous with our aid?
00:03:21.680 Maybe it's USAID's $50 billion budget.
00:03:25.220 Maybe people come out of the university with separate dorms segregated by race, called theme houses, separate graduations.
00:03:34.120 No First Amendment, Second Amendment, First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth Amendment rights when you're accused of something on campus.
00:03:42.660 Maybe a 95 percent bias of the faculty. So the universities, maybe we don't need 300,000 federal employees. Maybe we should, if the media continues to, especially PBS or NPR continues to give false narratives, maybe we should defund them.
00:04:03.180 So these are pretty radical counter-revolutionary movements, and they're aimed really at changing the entire structure that produced the symptoms of hard-left progressivism, rather than in the first term or in some other Republican administrations.
00:04:20.320 They sort of trimmed around the edges, or they said, we shouldn't do this, or we will vote against this nominee.
00:04:26.680 But now they're addressing the very idea of progressivism and how it became so influential.
00:04:33.180 It is an interesting question that right now as we speak, the left does not control the Senate, the House, the Supreme Court, or the White House, and yet it still exercises enormous cultural, institutional, bureaucratic influences.
00:04:50.020 And that's what I think they're trying to address.
00:04:51.960 how did you react to the reaction to doge because a lot of what you're talking about it i see doge's
00:05:01.840 role in countering those things and the bureaucratic bloat and the funding of the sources
00:05:08.320 of misinformation and disinformation that are really harming us obviously that was an endeavor
00:05:14.280 by elon musk the response to that not just by those in academia and those in the liberal media
00:05:19.880 who probably know exactly why they're reacting the way that they are
00:05:23.820 because they don't like the counter-revolution,
00:05:26.160 but a lot of just normal everyday people.
00:05:28.700 How terrible is it that we would defund USAID?
00:05:31.440 I can't believe that we want kids in Haiti to be struggling or eating less.
00:05:36.100 I can't believe we're taking money away from cancer research and Uganda
00:05:39.740 and all of these different things.
00:05:41.880 Did that immediate emotional response by so many progressives
00:05:47.340 and independents surprise you at all?
00:05:49.880 It didn't surprise me. It did surprise me that the Doge people didn't anticipate it because the left for many years has operated under the premise of a binary that 70% of the country are oppressors and 30% are oppressed, victimized versus the victimizers.
00:06:12.060 And so anytime you try to make fundamental changes in the progressive project, they're always going to say it's a war against the entitled, the white, the heterosexual, the male, the Christian, whatever formula they use versus the innocence.
00:06:28.280 And that just is expected on spec. It kicked in. So when you basically eliminated what is now 300,000 jobs, people said, well, Joe Smith doesn't have a job because Donald Trump doesn't care whether he can feed his family or USAID.
00:06:47.340 everybody's going to die in Africa because they're not going to get vaccinations,
00:06:50.960 even though Bill Gates' multi-billion plan had vaccinated hundreds of millions of people worldwide.
00:07:00.740 So I didn't think they would, they didn't have a, I guess I would say a tragic view of that,
00:07:07.100 whether they just ignored it.
00:07:08.740 What they should have said is we don't like laying off people
00:07:12.240 and we're going to have a robust economy in the private sector that will pay you more
00:07:16.700 and give you more opportunity but we can't go on like this with a 31 trillion dollar debt
00:07:22.700 but it was sort of we're it was kind of talking to their own constituency hey isn't this great
00:07:28.900 we're we're finally the first ones to reduce government while the left was saying these
00:07:34.660 people are cruel and inhumane and what's what's this poor person going to do without a cell phone
00:07:39.760 or without a job. And that narrative picked up by a 90 percent biased mainstream media
00:07:45.220 was quite effective. And they didn't have a counter narrative in advance, I think,
00:07:50.900 prepared for that. Yeah. And, you know, I see this issue a lot, especially when it comes to
00:07:57.320 immigration. Obviously, you and I and a lot of people are for the mass deportations of
00:08:03.060 illegal immigrants. And I really don't feel bad at all when I see videos of these illegal aliens 0.99
00:08:10.120 getting rounded up and deported, especially when we're talking about those who have committed
00:08:14.580 additional crimes after the initial crime of crossing the border illegally. But I also
00:08:19.700 understand that you and I aren't representative of a lot of normal people in the middle on the left
00:08:25.240 who see this as entirely oppressive and see every figure of illegal immigration as totally
00:08:31.720 sympathetic. And they kind of were losing, it seems like, the Trump administration,
00:08:38.440 the PR battle. Now, I have two minds about me when it comes to this. On the one hand,
00:08:44.220 who cares? As you said, the media is going to be 98% against Donald Trump, no matter what they do,
00:08:50.320 no matter what counter narrative they put out, the media is going to find a way to paint him
00:08:56.180 as a cruel dictator and all of us who support him as some kind of, you know, we're nefarious
00:09:01.840 lemmings. On the other hand, I also am like, yeah, but there's more that couldn't be done
00:09:08.380 because there's a lot of people in the middle who aren't on the left, a lot of, you know,
00:09:12.340 suburban moms who actually could be persuaded by a counter narrative, but they have to be given
00:09:17.500 that. They have to be given another explanation besides cruelty for the deportations, for Doge, 0.99
00:09:24.240 for these, you know, counter-revolutionary policies.
00:09:27.780 So I'm just curious where you land
00:09:29.840 between the, who cares?
00:09:32.180 Don't even worry about the counter-narrative.
00:09:34.040 We're just going to do what we're going to do
00:09:35.560 because the media is going to stab us in the back anyway,
00:09:38.700 versus the, no, we actually need,
00:09:41.480 we also need a human-centered, compassionate message
00:09:44.540 for why we're doing what we're doing
00:09:46.740 in this counter-revolutionary way.
00:09:49.840 Yes, I think I agree entirely with you.
00:09:52.140 And they didn't have,
00:09:52.920 I mean, it's good that they were stalwart in face of criticism and kept doing it, and we all admire that, but they didn't address what were obvious therapeutic talking points by the left.
00:10:06.100 The first one was, well, this isn't really a crime, it's a civil infraction.
00:10:11.080 In fact, it is a crime, whatever gradation you say it is, it is a crime.
00:10:17.400 And then they didn't say, if it wasn't a crime, then why wouldn't people, we wouldn't have a border.
00:10:22.920 the only way we can have a border is we enforce the boundary and then we deport people who broke
00:10:29.600 the law. And they could have said things like, when you're in an airport security line coming
00:10:35.640 in from a different country and somebody doesn't have a passport, they don't let them in the
00:10:39.760 country. Or they'll take them into a special room and say, you don't have a visa in your country.
00:10:46.020 They didn't try to explain any of that. And then they didn't give any historical context.
00:10:51.020 They said, we love immigrants, but we've never had 16 and a half, 17% of the population non-native born.
00:10:58.100 We've never had 55 million people here of various statuses that weren't born in America.
00:11:04.280 So we want meritocratic, diverse, legal, and self-supporting immigrants.
00:11:12.340 And that's a natural thing.
00:11:13.900 But what's happening is the most fundamental revolutionary act in our recent history.
00:11:19.040 And it's a cynical ploy of the Democrats to grow government, get a needy constituency, because the majority of these people are coming in unaudited, without background checks, with enormous needs in health, education, legal representation, housing, food.
00:11:37.120 And that is part of the progressive project.
00:11:39.800 It's a cynical ploy.
00:11:40.980 Instead, the left just said, well, this is the great replacement theory, the white paranoia, and they didn't – so I don't fault their enthusiasm and their zealousness was absolutely necessary given Republican administrations of the past were lacking in wine. 0.57
00:12:00.320 But they could have predicted what the left was going to say, especially since the left-wing agenda is really a 70-30 issue in most cases, and they're on the 30% end. 0.62
00:12:16.200 So they have two remedies, or two or three.
00:12:19.020 One is, as we said, to use the institutional power of the bureaucracy and the media in lieu of actual political support to advance this agenda.
00:12:27.020 but the second is to be frank is to change the demography if you look at canada a lot of the
00:12:33.680 problems we're having with canada is that it's the most endowed naturally endowed country in
00:12:40.800 the world essentially second largest area in the world after russia it should be one of the
00:12:46.580 wealthiest countries in the world but it has a retrograde socialist paradigm and it's got one
00:12:54.320 percent growth for 10 years and you ask why it does and you look and see that 27 percent of the
00:12:59.620 present candidate canadian population was not born in canada another seven million parents were not
00:13:06.640 born in canada and then you have two million visa holders and you add up all those people
00:13:14.400 who are either first generation or second generation residents and they almost 46 percent
00:13:20.980 of the population and they have enormous needs in a western therapeutic country to give them
00:13:27.480 vast layers of support you know from education to food and housing as i said and so they're they're
00:13:33.980 just incapable given they won't they've adopted a socialist agenda about energy use and public
00:13:41.680 beneficia that they're not able to meet their nato requirements they're not able to not run
00:13:48.120 surplus with us and we we don't talk about this right now the biggest crisis i think in the western
00:13:56.400 world it's part of a therapeutic epidemic but it's the inability to say that we are a distinct nation
00:14:03.700 with distinct history and protocols and values and constitutions and if you want to come here
00:14:10.100 you're going to have to assimilate integrate um and adopt our culture and we can't we don't have
00:14:17.900 the confidence to do that and that's part and they people like uh the president fire president
00:14:23.760 of mexico was obador was bragging he said it's a beautiful thing we sent 40 million people and
00:14:29.560 they welcomed them all in and now we're the biggest minority and what he was saying is we
00:14:34.800 do not want our people to be fully assimilated because they are powerful constituency in foreign
00:14:41.220 relations that for our benefit and they send back 65 billion dollars a year as our chief source of
00:14:48.420 foreign revenue and basically they're subsidized by the federal government through various welfare
00:14:54.640 programs to free up the cash to send to us so we don't ever say these are cynical ploys by these
00:15:01.300 other countries to really in a cruel fashion consider humans as an export commodity and we
00:15:08.900 should have taken those arguments and had the higher moral ground.
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00:16:51.300 today. At what point do you think America lost our national identity? At what stage did at least
00:17:06.440 a lot of people say, okay, you know what? America's nothing to brag about. Western 0.97
00:17:12.600 civilization is nothing to be proud of. We're totally fine with a Somalian person being proud
00:17:18.100 of their culture, whether they're in Somalia or whether they're in Michigan. And we would never,
00:17:24.140 I would never, of course, I don't even think, you know, no liberal white person would go to Somalia
00:17:28.500 and plant their flag there and say, conform to me, give money to me. You need to accommodate me.
00:17:35.000 And I want you to change based on what I think they would call that, you know, white supremacy.
00:17:41.120 It's really only America and Western and majority white countries that have this kind of guilt
00:17:47.480 complex that makes us say patriotism is wrong, but only in our case, but it hasn't always been
00:17:54.600 that way. So can you identify a time when their revolution, the progressive revolution
00:18:00.580 that really culminated in progressives, if I can say it's uncharitable, but like
00:18:06.920 hating America largely and convincing so many people that you should not be proud of your
00:18:12.880 national identity. When was that? Well, it started in the 60s. I'm going to be 73
00:18:20.540 in a few days. And I went to a newly opened campus, University of California at Santa Cruz.
00:18:28.180 And I came from a very culturally conservative family here on the farm in which I'm speaking.
00:18:33.920 And when my father dropped me off at the dorm, as he walked in, on one side was a picture of
00:18:41.020 Che Guevara. And on the other side of the dorm wall was Mao. And as we drove up to the campus,
00:18:49.200 there was a traffic jam because the students for a democratic society was blocking the roads,
00:18:55.460 trying to tell the parents that America was a horrible place and killing thousands of
00:19:01.400 innocent Vietnamese. So it started, it's happened before. It's innate to Western civilization. If
00:19:08.260 you go back to classical texts there are a lot of people who romans and greeks who attack their 0.99
00:19:13.780 own society as sort of the cost of a free self-critical society which is good but that
00:19:21.080 goes to extremes uh on certain occasions and in cycles and we're in about a 50-year cycle now
00:19:27.480 where legitimate criticism ends up into pathological hatred and that started in the
00:19:34.040 60s and then the 12 years of reagan and the two and george hw bush kind of calmed it down but i
00:19:41.420 don't think we give credit enough to barack obama because what he did he didn't just give the
00:19:47.300 global's view that we're not exceptional we're just like greece or britain and he didn't just
00:19:52.500 do the apology tour. He took the old 11% black, 89% white binary, and he redefined it without any
00:20:06.400 attention to class. So he said, if you're not white, we're not going to talk about affirmative
00:20:12.840 action. We're going to talk about diversity, equity, and inclusion. And in this binary,
00:20:19.280 You can be a rich Indian. You can come from one of the wealthiest families in Kuwait. You can be one of the direct descendants of the Spanish conquistadors in Mexico. You can be blue eyes in Argentina. You can be worth all sorts, but you have a claim against the majority because you're oppressed.
00:20:40.640 and that really spurred this idea and what was lost was class so all of a sudden we had this
00:20:48.440 ridiculous situation today where somebody who's impoverished in east palestine ohio that the
00:20:54.280 government just ignores when they have a toxic fume they're considered privileged and they have 0.93
00:20:59.780 nothing because they're white and then we have people like hassan piker and his porsche or el 0.58
00:21:05.420 Seyyid with $600,000 income or the Mondamis who were settler colonialist in Uganda, 1% of the
00:21:12.980 Ugandan population controlling 65% of the wealth were Indian nationals and they're victims. And 0.60
00:21:20.720 then they start talking about white, white, white. And nobody really questioned that, but it was 0.84
00:21:26.000 Obama who took that energy of the 60s and he formulated, he institutionalized it. And then
00:21:32.320 the Biden who was a waxing effigy that Obama team then really went into action under the guise of
00:21:39.380 good old Joe Biden from Scranton that four years and they were very brilliant and they did things
00:21:46.900 they understood that they were not dealing with the symptoms of conservatism they were going at
00:21:51.880 the heart of it they were trying to change the ballot laws in most of the states under the guise
00:21:56.020 of COVID. So we went from 70% in election day voting, where you can actually have ID and check
00:22:05.020 people off a list, to 70% mail-in or early voting, where there was not much chance. They tried to
00:22:11.880 fundamentally change the system, and they still are, because they want to go to the symptoms of
00:22:17.400 conservative traditional power of the United States. And that's what DEI does, and that's what
00:22:23.400 k-12 does that's what the universities do that's what the foundations do that's what the corporate 0.80
00:22:27.800 boardrooms do so what's scary just to finish is that this what was a motley group group of west 0.93
00:22:36.440 when i was in college they were pretty pathetic these rich kids running around with long hair 0.91
00:22:42.180 and wire rim glasses and malcaps and spouting uh chanting that they love castro but and then they 0.96
00:22:51.500 were in the wilderness in the 70s and 80s and then they re-emerged their children and some cases
00:22:57.400 their grandchildren and they they got smart and they seized the institutional power so i think
00:23:04.060 obama was the watershed period where he mainstreamed being very hard being left spread the wealth
00:23:10.560 you didn't build that all that stuff started with obama
00:23:14.680 mm-hmm yeah it's interesting i remember there is this study and maybe there's an updated one now
00:23:22.400 but it was pew research from and it was in 2017 and it was analyzing the polarization in politics
00:23:29.360 and where those who identify as democrat and those who identify as republican had gone on each issue
00:23:35.980 since i think it was maybe 1995 and on every single issue the left had moved further to the
00:23:42.740 left on every cultural and political issue that they looked for. Whereas the right stayed the
00:23:47.240 same, maybe a little bit more conservative on some things, but on immigration, on guns, on
00:23:52.800 homosexuality actually had become first for sure on a sexual and cultural issues. Republicans had
00:23:58.920 actually become more liberal. Um, but for the most part, they stayed the same. The left on
00:24:03.720 every single issue got much, much further to the left. And yet when you talk to someone who is
00:24:10.600 progressive. It seems like they believe, well, no, no, no, no. We've always been this way.
00:24:16.920 We've always thought these things. It's actually Trump who is the great disruptor. He is the one
00:24:21.880 who changed the trajectory. It wasn't Obama. Obama was just an extension of everything that
00:24:27.040 liberals always believed. It was Trump who came in and just stirred everything up. That's why we're
00:24:32.720 angry. That's why we're demanding these things. That's why we're pushing so hard because Trump
00:24:37.920 is so crazy. That's just factually and historically inaccurate. Even if Trump was a great disruptor, 0.97
00:24:44.680 it seems to me that progressives, many of them don't even know that they're in the midst of a
00:24:49.340 revolution. Yeah, I think one of the greatest, I think you're getting at a very important point.
00:24:56.120 One of the greatest myths of our time right now is that a Bill Clinton, JFK, Harry Truman,
00:25:03.080 Democratic Party is trying to be hijacked by crazy socialists. But if you just put that aside
00:25:12.040 for a while and ask yourself, who came up with the idea before the socialists ever mentioned it
00:25:19.360 10 years ago of packing the court, getting rid of the filibuster, destroying the electoral college, 0.97
00:25:24.640 That was Hillary's big theme and bringing in two more states.
00:25:30.320 As far as methodology, I mean, who got out in front of the Supreme Court like a 60s radical and said, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, you're not going to know what hit you.
00:25:40.740 You reap the wind, you sow the wind, you're going to reap the whirlwind.
00:25:45.080 Who said get in their faces, follow them, harass them?
00:25:48.280 And I could go on and on. But the Democratic Party, it's a chicken and an egg question, but they were the chicken and they hatched the socialist egg. So the socialists are not, I mean, they're not called the Republican socialists of America. They're not called the independent socialists of America. They're not called the socialists of America. They're called the democratic socialists of America.
00:26:11.460 so they were a bunch of motley uh downwardly mobile urban mostly white kids with degrees
00:26:19.040 and student loans that were not marketable and they were absorbed or they when they wanted to
00:26:25.040 get political and get serious they they went to their natural home in the democratic party
00:26:30.200 and you know it wasn't like hiking hikam jeffries you could argue is the second most powerful
00:26:37.500 Democratic politician. He endorsed a socialist over a Democrat, Andrew Cuomo. Keith Ellison
00:26:44.700 posed with an Antifa and said, this is the great book to go after Donald Trump. It was the Democrats
00:26:51.020 that, you know, weaponized with lawfare four criminal suits. They were the ones that created
00:26:56.880 the phony dossier. They were the ones that did the fake Russian created the laptop. They were 0.91
00:27:03.360 the ones who tried to get Trump off 20 ballots, 20 state ballots. They were a very radical
00:27:08.760 group the last 15 years. And so the socialists then merged into them because they found that
00:27:17.200 this was a place, they didn't form a third party, they didn't try to make a socialist,
00:27:22.960 democratic socialism, they didn't try to make it a normal, organized political movement.
00:27:29.840 And they went right into the Democratic Party because that was their natural home, because the Democratic Party bore no resemblance to what it was in 1992 or 3. 0.92
00:27:40.700 If you look at the agenda of the Democratic Party, at least as it was formulated in 1992 and 1996, they called for a balanced budget, closing the border, deporting people who were here illegally,
00:28:04.040 trying violent juveniles that were 16 and 17 as adults uh and having compromises on texas and
00:28:11.960 trying to pay down the debt it's all in there today to a democrat that would seem further to
00:28:18.340 the right than trump so the party was changed uh partly because of the iraq and afghanistan wars
00:28:28.140 I don't know what the exact trajectory was, but Obama, as I said earlier, fueled a lot
00:28:35.920 of it.
00:28:37.340 And it was the natural home.
00:28:41.720 So the chicken was the Democratic Party and the egg was the socialist, not the other way
00:28:45.940 around.
00:28:46.800 The socialist didn't all of a sudden dream up all these ideas and methods.
00:28:50.920 And then these very moderate Democrats said, hey, we're being absorbed by radicals.
00:28:56.220 No, they were the radicals.
00:28:57.620 And then the Democratic Socialists were just a disorganized, kind of buffoonish group of people who said they've got the money, they've got the model, they've got the institutions, and they agree with 90 percent of what we want.
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00:30:11.620 You know, a lot of the things that we talk about today feel so new. 0.92
00:30:16.740 transgenderism the idea of butchering children who believe that they're born in the wrong body 0.92
00:30:21.780 even the idea of open borders i'm sure there are people who have believed that throughout history 0.56
00:30:27.560 but it certainly does seem crazier and more radical the convergence of all of these issues
00:30:31.840 that are represented by today's democrats but their strategies you argue really are not new
00:30:38.900 like you talk about the french revolution and how we saw a group of radicals there that you see
00:30:44.720 reflected in modern progressives in America. So what is the parallel?
00:30:51.280 Well, the parallel is, if you look at the revolutions of 1848 that swept through Europe,
00:30:58.500 some of the ideas were good, mostly anti-monarchies. And if you look at the Bolsheviks, 0.69
00:31:05.500 a very crazy splinter group from the Mensheviks that were originally part of a movement to have 0.50
00:31:12.820 a parliament to balance the power of the czar, or you look at the Jacobins who hijacked the
00:31:19.420 French Revolution in 1792-3 and gave us the Robespierre brothers and the Reign of Terror.
00:31:25.240 All of these movements have certain things in common, but one of them is they're not bottoms
00:31:30.720 up. They're not grassroots. I live in a 95% Hispanic community, and I can tell you I don't
00:31:37.520 know one socialist here. I have somebody working on the foundation, U.S. Citizens of Mexican-American
00:31:43.620 Dissent today, and I talk to them while they're working. They're not radicals at all. They're
00:31:47.740 trying to build businesses and be upwardly mobile. They're not the people I see each week when I go
00:31:53.920 to Stanford University who are well-off radical professors, 95% of whom are radical democratic
00:32:00.920 professors. So this is a top-down movement. And when you look at these people very carefully,
00:32:06.740 they all, they all, they fit it to a T. Mondalmi, as I said, is a very wealthy person. His parents
00:32:13.780 are PhDs. Hassan Piker comes from a multimillionaire family. Ro Khanna, who thinks he's a socialist
00:32:19.920 now, is probably worth a quarter million dollars, a billion dollars. His father-in-law is extremely
00:32:26.120 wealthy. His wife drives a $200,000 Range Rover. And Bernie Sanders even has three homes,
00:32:34.460 and technically a multimillionaire.
00:32:37.620 So these are very affluent people who did very well by America,
00:32:43.080 especially immigrants.
00:32:44.920 And then the second thing, so for them it's kind of a play thing. 0.99
00:32:49.740 And they think they're going to run the country and they're mad for power
00:32:54.980 and they're wealthy and they're accustomed to being pampered and privileged.
00:32:59.300 And the other thing, very importantly, in all these revolutions,
00:33:02.120 Lenin, Marx, all of them, they were never subject to the consequences of their ideology.
00:33:10.900 No sooner did the Bolsheviks take over and they were building vacation homes on the Black Sea. 0.61
00:33:16.960 And the same thing was true of the Robespierre brothers. 0.79
00:33:20.040 They were very well educated, they were upper middle class, and some of them were even royalty.
00:33:27.780 And the same thing is true today.
00:33:29.520 all of these people. And we saw that in Martha's Vineyard when Ron DeSantis got really smart and
00:33:35.660 the Texas Governor Abbott got smart. And they said, if we're going to be overrun by people,
00:33:39.720 we're going to send them to Martha's Vineyard as a test case. And everybody came out. They
00:33:44.400 expressed at Martha's Vineyard. They said, this is so terrible. We feel so sorry. We're going to
00:33:49.320 get care packages. Does anybody have an extra puff coat? Let's give these nice boxes. And then
00:33:54.620 it was within 24 hours. See you. Wouldn't want to be you. The bus is getting you out of here.
00:33:59.520 and that's what's so strange about the democratic party it's the party of the wealth wealthy and the
00:34:05.640 privileged at least the elite is and uh that's that's true to form throughout history that these
00:34:12.360 radical political revolution even the cuban revolution che guevara and castro were not poor
00:34:18.380 they were members of the aristocracy and um it's and they they're always used to being exempt from
00:34:26.920 any of the nefarious and bad things that happen when their ideas are actually implemented into
00:34:32.040 practice. And I could, all during the height of the DEI, I would hear people in Palo Alto tell me
00:34:38.600 from Silicon Valley, multi-millionaire and billionaire families and kids, we all support
00:34:45.920 DEI. And then they found out that Stanford took it seriously. So 8% of the incoming class at
00:34:53.340 stanford were white males well that can barely account for athletes legacies children of
00:35:00.760 administrators it's only about two or three hundred people so what happened very quickly it came got
00:35:07.720 around that if you gave the price was about 10 million bucks to get your kid into stanford it
00:35:14.020 wasn't ever written but if you gave 10 million dollars you had a chance of getting your white
00:35:18.260 male kid into Stanford. And so, in other words, these people who were telling the guy in East
00:35:25.820 Palestine, Ohio, you're just a poor white kid, and you have no culture, and we don't like you, 0.93
00:35:32.540 even though he might have had a perfect SAT and a straight A, we don't want you at Stanford. 1.00
00:35:37.680 And we believe in DEI. We want the black and Hispanic children of orthodontists and dentists 1.00
00:35:43.480 and architects. But if they take away our place, not yours, we don't care about you, 1.00
00:35:48.740 we're going to pay the necessary Dane Guild or bribe money to get our kids in. And they did.
00:35:55.680 And Stanford will never talk, Yale, Stanford will never talk about that.
00:36:02.820 And why is a movement that is apparently about diversity and inclusion and compassion and empathy
00:36:09.320 and all of these things why is it throughout history progressivism so violent i mean obviously
00:36:16.200 we could talk about charlie kirk we could talk about a lot of instances but trump alone has
00:36:20.100 survived i believe it's seven assassination attempts you're a historian um i think that's
00:36:26.680 unprecedented you tell me but how do you see this in light of yeah go ahead yeah well it's funny you
00:36:35.600 said that i looked it up because i wanted to quantify it by actual data we've never had a
00:36:40.860 president 47 president we've never had a president in whose tenure the secret service shot back at a
00:36:49.820 potential assassin four on four different occasions so you're right it is a record we've
00:36:55.680 never seen that happen the secret service have never pulled out their guns or rifles and tried
00:37:00.880 to shoot in Pennsylvania, in Florida, in Washington, D.C., and again in Florida, trying to break into
00:37:09.920 Mar-a-Lago. On each one of those occasions, the Secret Service had to fire guns to what they
00:37:14.560 thought to save the president. So as to your question is, why is the left so violent? I think
00:37:21.160 it's, I tried to answer that in the book, but I think it comes from two causes. One pragmatic or
00:37:29.580 practical and one theoretical. Theoretically, they believe that they're morally superior because
00:37:35.340 they believe in a mandate of equality. They want everybody to be equal. And so it's like
00:37:41.800 Alexis de Tocqueville said in Democracy in America, you got to be very careful to maintain 0.88
00:37:48.820 an independent middle class so you'll have a peasantry like Europe. And there we all know 0.98
00:37:54.240 that democracy can't really flourish because most people would rather be poor and equal than all
00:38:03.160 better off but some people really better off given the power pernicious power of envy so
00:38:10.120 they feel that because they care even if it's abstract any that any means necessary are justified
00:38:19.800 because they are morally superior to selfish republicans or libertarians who only care about
00:38:29.880 themselves but they you see it ice they they are violent because they're trying to help
00:38:35.360 juan rodriguez who's a victim of ice and therefore if i have to ram my car into an ice person
00:38:41.060 or i got to tax an ice facility in texas it's justified or if luigi mangione wants to shoot
00:38:49.800 ryan thompson in the back in a very cowardly fashion then it's good he's saving thousands
00:38:55.240 of people or at least he's drawing attention or if a young mother wants to strangle three
00:39:00.840 of her children then we have to address the pathologies of america that allows
00:39:06.040 postpartum depression to flourish or something like this but it's always i am morally justified
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00:40:30.460 the other reason is more concrete and it goes back to classical wisdom and that is most people
00:40:44.740 do not believe in socialism they know that if they work hard they want the fruits of their labor
00:40:50.120 not that they're greedy and they're willing to help other people but they want to make that
00:40:54.100 decision of how much money they give to charity they do not want to work very hard and then turn
00:41:00.300 over to a central government who takes their money and gives to people, often without legitimate
00:41:06.160 criteria. So they don't like mandated, and the left knows that. So the left says,
00:41:12.440 the people do not know what's good for them. It's the opiate of the masses, religion,
00:41:18.280 it deludes them, or tradition and custom deludes them, or their own selfishness deludes them. So
00:41:23.780 So therefore, because our agenda will never be popular, even though it's the morally superior one, we've got to have to force it down the throats.
00:41:32.760 And I think it was Lenin who said, if you're going to make an omelet, you've got to break a few eggs.
00:41:39.840 Sometimes that's attributed to Stalin.
00:41:41.540 but it's a it's a not it's not a natural human agenda and the people who advance it do so because
00:41:50.580 it gives them inside moral superiority and getting a maybe a corollary of getting back to the point
00:41:57.260 that they're mostly wealthy it also asks which is their guilt they feel that if i'm for mandated
00:42:04.040 equality and i want to help the poor everywhere but i want to have my malibu beach house and
00:42:11.520 my Brentwood house, and I want my kids to get into Stanford or Harvard or Yale, and I'm willing
00:42:17.880 to pay to take a place from somebody else, I feel really, really guilty about that. But therefore,
00:42:24.500 I'm going to, you know, post to how horrible Donald Trump is, or how selfish the Republicans 0.98
00:42:31.160 are, as long as I get to keep what I have. And that's how they square that circle of being selfish, 0.97
00:42:36.520 but also in the abstract magnanimous with other people's capital.
00:42:42.140 Well, obviously, it's a violent revolution that needs to be countered.
00:42:46.220 And we've already talked about just a little bit how Trump has done that,
00:42:50.060 his administration has done that.
00:42:51.900 In the past year, though, we have seen what seems to me
00:42:54.940 as a further fracturing of the Republican Party, of the conservative side.
00:42:59.620 Some of it's over foreign policy, some of it's over Israel,
00:43:02.620 some of it's over the economy.
00:43:03.960 um it seems actually to be mostly centered on foreign policy and i just wonder what you think
00:43:10.900 of the future of the republican party is unity even necessary for a counter-revolution
00:43:18.720 and is it possible it's a very good question again uh so let's quantify let's say just for
00:43:29.500 the sake of argument that Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson and people who follow them
00:43:36.840 represent a large constituency, and Marjorie Taylor Greene and Thomas Massey, maybe even
00:43:44.220 Nick Fuentes, maybe eight or nine percent of the party. So what I'm asking myself empirically,
00:43:53.300 does that translate into power in the Republican Party? Obviously not, because Marjorie Taylor
00:44:00.280 Green wisely didn't even run for re-election. Thomas Massey, who was very popular in his own
00:44:05.800 district, didn't even get the nomination. He lost in the primary. Tucker Carlson talks a lot about
00:44:11.680 a national agenda, but he's not going to run for anything. So it's mostly a movement that appeals
00:44:18.580 to disaffected, often white males who have been the object of intuberation
00:44:23.600 and feel that they're not given their due and it's not fair,
00:44:29.060 and they have a lot of legitimate arguments.
00:44:31.120 But I don't think it rivals the zeal on the left of the socialists, number one.
00:44:39.480 And number two, you're absolutely right.
00:44:45.160 It's confined mostly to foreign policy, and the argument is we don't want any misadventures abroad, which everybody agrees with, like 20 years in Afghanistan or 10 in Iraq, at the expense of our own people.
00:45:01.800 So it's an American-first argument, and Donald Trump promised that.
00:45:05.660 But if you look at what Donald Trump actually said, he was never a Buchanan isolationist.
00:45:12.260 He was never a Ron Paul isolationist.
00:45:15.160 He said from the very beginning that we have to build up our military, that we're being pushed around the world.
00:45:20.540 He was not a neocon nation builder.
00:45:23.860 He was a Jacksonian. 0.94
00:45:25.500 No better friend, no worse enemy. 1.00
00:45:28.060 We'll leave you alone.
00:45:29.080 Don't tread on me, but don't screw around with our interests.
00:45:33.700 So a Buchananite would say, well, let's just let Latin America be, or Tucker Carlson.
00:45:38.940 It's their trouble.
00:45:40.420 a jacksonian says i'm not going to wait till maduro communizes all of latin america and the 0.77
00:45:47.720 chinese come in and take the panama canal i'm going to go down to panama and warn the panamanians 0.68
00:45:53.460 it's either us or them uh the chinese i'm going to go tell maduro get out if you don't get out 1.00
00:45:59.660 you're going to have to get out because we know you're sending illegal aliens drugs to our country 0.92
00:46:04.180 and the same thing the first term i don't know why there was a confusion because
00:46:08.600 when the Wagner group attacked our insulations in Syria, 0.99
00:46:13.820 Trump said, kill them all. 0.98
00:46:15.580 When Soleimani was touring the Middle East 1.00
00:46:18.600 trying to refine and hone terrorism to attack our insulations, 0.98
00:46:25.060 we killed him. 0.92
00:46:25.940 When Baghdadi was beheading people and ISIS had half of Iraq, 0.99
00:46:31.680 Trump said, no more, and got rid of him.
00:46:35.880 And that was pretty much when North Korea was sending missiles into Japanese airspace.
00:46:40.780 Trump said, I have a bigger button than you do, Kim Jong-un.
00:46:44.440 So he was a reactive, and the same thing happened.
00:46:48.000 He tried to negotiate. 0.63
00:46:49.360 He tried to negotiate with the Iranians. 1.00
00:46:51.140 He warned them. 0.95
00:46:51.800 He said, seven presidents have warned you not to go this way.
00:46:56.080 But I'm the first one that even when I took out Soleimani, I did not bomb you again.
00:47:01.500 And you told us that you wanted a performance art retaliation at our base.
00:47:05.740 I let you do it.
00:47:06.960 I told everybody to get inside the base.
00:47:09.040 You caused some minor damage.
00:47:11.940 You gave some ruptured eardrums to some of our soldiers, but that was okay.
00:47:16.480 He was not a neocon warmonger, but all along his principle was, if you threaten the United
00:47:25.140 States or its interest, we're going to retaliate disproportionately to you, and I think a lot
00:47:30.900 of people didn't understand that.
00:47:32.820 They thought he was going to be, you know, let the Middle East be, I think Tucker said it, let Iran have a nuclear weapon. 0.91
00:47:40.880 And who cares if they do not dominate the Middle East? 0.94
00:47:44.440 It's a Muslim Middle East. 1.00
00:47:45.920 We have no business there is what they said.
00:47:48.360 And the same thing about China.
00:47:50.420 They said, don't get in a fight with China.
00:47:53.220 Let them do what they want.
00:47:54.360 And if South America is all communists, that's their, and Trump, but he was never in that camp.
00:48:00.340 And I think, finally, to get to the gist of your question,
00:48:04.680 I think the problem is not Tucker Carlson and Thomas Massey
00:48:12.880 and Marjorie Taylor Greene.
00:48:14.280 The problem is that you're going to have a crisis with a rivalry
00:48:21.280 between what I would call the Rubio camp and the Vance camp.
00:48:25.180 And they're not like Tucker Carlson at all, J.D. Vance.
00:48:28.420 But they have a different, when J.D. Vance quotes Huey Long as sort of a good person that spread the wealth, who was an utterly corrupt, and he didn't admit that he was utterly corrupt, or when he says Israel can't kill its way out of Lebanon when really it didn't want to attack it.
00:48:48.880 It was attacked by 7,000 missiles from Hezbollah.
00:48:53.200 He has a fundamental different view than Marco Rubio wing,
00:48:57.160 and I don't know how that's going to come out
00:49:00.020 because I think J.D. Vance in many ways
00:49:03.720 is the most gifted politician I've seen in Repartee,
00:49:08.680 and the reason he was picked for the vice president slot
00:49:13.400 was not because he did in traditional terms offer diversity.
00:49:16.960 After all, he was a white male coming from a state that was staunchly Republican, that he gave no advantage in the electoral college.
00:49:27.980 But they knew that he was a masterful orator and debater, and he was unafraid.
00:49:35.940 So they unleashed him on all the networks, all the, you know, meet the press, face the nation, all that stuff.
00:49:43.520 And he just devoured everybody.
00:49:45.300 He was brilliant. And so people underestimate him. He's one of the most adroit politicians
00:49:51.940 of our lifetime. But he has views that he interprets Trumpism in one way and Rubio
00:49:58.480 and that wing in another. And they've got issues about anti-Semitism and the fringe groups.
00:50:06.020 And I think at some point, people are going to say to J.D., can you just tell us that you don't
00:50:12.700 believe or you don't have views that are parallel or the same as tucker carlson and thomas massey
00:50:20.000 and those people and and maybe he says i don't want to denounce people i want to have a big tent
00:50:25.320 we know how that worked with the democrats but that's that's going to be the problem and i'm
00:50:30.420 not taking sides either way but i can see that trump is going to have to intervene or somebody
00:50:35.620 is going to have to resolve that because that could be serious in 2028
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00:51:45.680 Well, I'm curious who you think, in your opinion, would do the best job in carrying out the core
00:51:54.180 counter-revolutionary aspects of MAGA, because it seems that from your book, you do believe that
00:52:00.340 those things can live on you also say in the preface is you're drawing on soul's conflict
00:52:05.640 of vision you're talking about you know the progressive vision and then trump's you say
00:52:10.940 current last desperate often heavy-handed attempt to undo all the economic cultural social political
00:52:17.020 and military orthodoxies of the last 50 years well he's only got what about two and a half years left
00:52:23.160 and to me it seems like okay we need more time and power with the exact same agenda of the
00:52:29.360 counter-revolution to get some things done. So if it is Marco Rubio or someone like him
00:52:35.880 versus J.D. Vance or someone like him, who do you think would be most effective in carrying that on?
00:52:42.220 Well, I'll preface it by saying neither one is going to be able to say that I was a MAGA true
00:52:46.980 and blue at the beginning. I had talked to J.D. at an event once in 2016 when he had written,
00:52:54.680 just after he had written an op-ed calling Trump a fascist.
00:53:00.460 And I remember Marco Rubio on the debate stage
00:53:02.800 really tore into Donald Trump,
00:53:05.100 and Donald Trump was kind of patting at the air
00:53:07.380 and saying, calm down, little Marco.
00:53:10.140 So they both came late to the MAGA movement,
00:53:13.280 which doesn't mean what I'm trying to say
00:53:16.020 is neither one of them is going to be able to accuse the other one
00:53:18.620 of the original MAGA fides.
00:53:22.440 So they're adaptable. But I guess I would say that right now, Marco Rubio represents the Jacksonian Trump view of foreign policy. And J.D. Vance represents the domestic idea of sort of semi-managed economy with tariffs and partnerships with private enterprise and joint investments.
00:53:50.400 a lot of the things the wall street journal hates for example and so uh it'll just be a question of
00:53:58.900 who is who is better able to adapt to an area which they're less experienced in or less
00:54:06.120 comfortable with so if jd vance can formulate a foreign policy similar to trump's maybe i don't
00:54:14.880 know you know and not say things like i talked to the iranians and there's some good moderates
00:54:21.400 there and we're making a lot of progress there are no moderates in that government if you were
00:54:25.580 moderate you'd be shot on sight and on the other hand i'm not sure that marco rubio has the
00:54:33.720 first-hand experience that jd was with the white underclass and how they were victimized by
00:54:39.960 globalization so it's going to be interesting they both they're both the the nomination or
00:54:46.820 the public support will go to the candidate who can best adapt and formulate the area that he's
00:54:52.900 least uh strong in will rubio develop an american first domestic policy and will jd develop a
00:55:02.560 jacksonian policy and i have a feeling there's going to be enormous amount of pressure to put
00:55:07.500 both of them on the ticket. The only thing that's changed from that formula of what seemed like a
00:55:12.860 slam dunk maybe six years ago, I mean, six months ago, there's a large contingent of traditional
00:55:19.960 Republicans, a lot of them Jewish, that have made it clear they do not want J.D. Vance on the ticket.
00:55:28.440 And that'll be something maybe they would like him as vice president. I don't think he would,
00:55:32.600 i don't think you can be vice president more than two terms or one term but we that's never
00:55:38.120 happened before they have a person come back i think is so the big question is if you want to
00:55:45.300 solve the problem by having them both run then the question six months ago was obviously jd is
00:55:51.840 the heir apparent but now there are people in the party that say no rubio has earned the heir
00:55:57.720 parents slot so that's going to be very interesting as far as i'm concerned i'd like to
00:56:03.640 yeah i think right now the polls everybody shows that jd is the favorite and that's in part because
00:56:12.780 rubio has been on record that says if jd runs he will not run for president but we know how
00:56:18.420 political promises go when there's a lot of pressure on you but if it's if i were jd i and
00:56:25.600 he met with jewish leaders the other day it's not just jewish leaders that people uh there were a
00:56:32.120 lot of people in the party that were offended uh on some of the remarks he said about um the
00:56:41.080 iranian the iran war or israel's uh actions after uh october 7th and he needs to clarify that in a
00:56:50.960 way that makes it unequivocally clear that it's not anti-Semitic and it's not anti-Israel because
00:56:57.900 the Republican Party for all the propaganda, if you look at the polls, it's still 65% and up
00:57:04.900 supports Israel. And I think the other thing very quickly is I think that a lot of people are trying
00:57:12.920 to hurt JD on his side. So I think somebody like Tucker Carlson the other day, for example, he said,
00:57:20.540 And I knew him very well and like him, although I don't agree with him.
00:57:24.500 I should say I don't agree with his latest manifestation.
00:57:28.340 But when he says that Donald Trump should be removed immediately,
00:57:34.240 and he's saying things like that because he wants J.D. to be in a position
00:57:39.980 where he has to either agree with Tucker or cut him off.
00:57:43.680 And if he cuts him off, then he makes him a victim, and that's sort of mean,
00:57:47.080 and they have a long personal relationship.
00:57:50.360 His son worked for J.D.
00:57:53.980 And so he's putting pressure on J.D.
00:57:56.140 He's basically saying,
00:57:57.300 I'm going to get more and more provocative
00:57:59.220 in my anti-Trump zeal
00:58:01.900 to put you in a position
00:58:03.140 where you're going to have to at some point
00:58:04.820 choose between what I represent
00:58:07.400 and Donald Trump.
00:58:10.500 And that's going to be difficult.
00:58:12.280 But so far, he hasn't,
00:58:14.020 jd hasn't made that decision i think you're right that he will interesting analysis for
00:58:22.080 maybe the why behind tucker pushing and pushing so was thomas massey so they're all doing that
00:58:28.800 they're all trying to be outrageous and earn trump has no problem and that's what makes it
00:58:35.560 even harder for jd trump's already said this tucker has a tucker has many things but one
00:58:40.820 thing i can i was on his show every monday night for six years i can tell you he's not low iq so
00:58:47.880 when trump says he's low iq i mean that's that's so trump's already made the decision that they're
00:58:55.000 not mega and he doesn't want anything to do with them and that makes it even harder and they like
00:58:59.700 that so they try to provoke trump as well and that's really what they're doing they're saying
00:59:05.540 to J.D., we hate your boss, and we're going to try to embarrass you until you come out on our side.
00:59:12.340 If you don't come out on our side, we're going to really ratchet it up. So Trump one day is
00:59:16.340 going to call you and say, hey, J.D., you're either on the team or you're not. And that's
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01:00:22.100 If we were to look past the midterms, even past the next election that we're talking about,
01:00:27.080 if we were to look a decade from now, we were to talk again, and for you to be able to look back
01:00:32.240 and say, you know what, the counter-revolution of MAGA, of the non-left, it actually did succeed.
01:00:39.820 What would have to happen? Maybe let's pick three things. What are three things that would
01:00:43.620 have to happen for you to say that the counter-revolution has been a success?
01:00:48.880 The first, I think we would have to have a secure border beyond the Trump administration,
01:00:55.340 both in republican and democratic put it this way that the republicans would i think would
01:01:01.120 support that and will and they would have to have such success and popularity that would be
01:01:06.220 impossible for a democratic administration to do what biden did even though they'd like to do it
01:01:11.900 so a secure border legal only immigration probably at about 200 000 and a acculturation assimilation
01:01:20.780 integration agenda. And we're having that now. The second thing is, I think they would have to
01:01:29.200 go back to the idea that your race is incidental, not essential to who you are. And Trump is
01:01:35.900 fighting DEI on every front. And he's winning a lot of adherence in the Hispanic community
01:01:42.440 and even in the black, especially the black male community. So it's not just a white or even an
01:01:48.680 asian thing but if he could get back to the idea that how you look and your superficial appearance 0.92
01:01:54.860 and that's if that is true 10 years from now that's is the second enormous achievement the third
01:02:01.640 is i don't think people realize what he's trying to do they just look at certain aspects oh we're
01:02:09.880 we haven't won in iran yet or oh uh we took out maduro oh what he's trying to basically say is
01:02:19.200 I'm going to remake the world in a way that forever enhances U.S. security and ensures U.S. dominance.
01:02:31.160 We are not in decline. 0.69
01:02:33.140 And here's what I've done in my tenure.
01:02:35.440 If you look at the top 10 software companies in the world, nine now are America.
01:02:40.800 If you look at the top 10 AI companies, eight are American.
01:02:45.300 If you look at the number of satellites, we launched 10 times the amount, mostly due to Elon Musk, than all the world put together.
01:02:56.420 If you look at our GDP, far from being overtaken by China, we're $10 trillion bigger than their economy.
01:03:05.220 So one American takes four Chinese counterparts to produce 10 trillion less than what we do for each American.
01:03:15.880 And we're 10 trillion bigger than the EU, even though they have 100 million more people than me. 0.56
01:03:20.780 That was not at all in 2015 predicted.
01:03:26.120 And so when you look at all of these criteria, we are the world's largest producer, not just now, but in history of gas and oil.
01:03:34.460 And Trump is desperately trying to make us the largest producer of rare earth, etc., etc.
01:03:41.000 So the third thing that he would be remembered for is that he took a declining America where it was the Obama mantra was we're going to have managed a decline.
01:03:54.400 or even the Romney-McCain view that we have to give enormous concessions
01:04:01.460 to our allies so they'll like us or they'll stay in NATO or all this. 0.58
01:04:05.660 But when you look at what he's done with NATO or getting the Chinese out
01:04:09.880 or when he came into office of the 32 Latin American, Central American,
01:04:15.240 South American, Caribbean nations, almost 28 of them were communists,
01:04:20.580 socialists, anti-American.
01:04:21.800 Now there's only six, five I think.
01:04:24.400 And so nobody gives him credit, but he is remaking the world in a way that if these policies were to continue of deregulation and support and protection of American companies abroad and telling Silicon Valley, for example, why do you give money to the left?
01:04:44.900 They hate you. They want to confiscate your government. They want to pick winners and losers. I don't care if you like me, but I want you to make America first.
01:04:53.640 So Andrew, make all the weapons you want, or David Sachs or Mark Andreessen, come on and join us.
01:05:01.100 But you've got to be like the World War II capitalists, the war production board.
01:05:05.640 They produce more tanks, more planes than anybody in the world.
01:05:08.760 So if you're patriotic and you're nationalistic and your interests are America versus all the people who want to destroy us,
01:05:16.340 then I'm going to do all I can regardless of what your personal politics are.
01:05:20.740 That was an amazing achievement, I think.
01:05:22.820 So those three things, if we can solve the immigration problem, if we can look at Americans as the content of our character, not the color of our skin, and that's in process.
01:05:35.160 And then if we get people who will continue the idea that America is not in decline, but actually at its greatest epoch, economically, culturally, influentially.
01:05:47.760 The one thing I would add that I'm disappointed, I'm sure you are too, is that we're either $32 trillion in debt, or if you recalibrate under this new system, we're $40 trillion in debt, and we're paying $3 billion a day in interest, and it's not sustainable, and nobody on the left or right seems to address it.
01:06:05.660 yeah wow okay well here's to hoping here's to hoping that those three priorities at least
01:06:13.900 get done in the next 10 years i think you and i would both be very happy with those results and
01:06:19.460 whether the progressives admit it or not um they get to reap the benefits of the counter revolution
01:06:26.420 even if they fight against it you made a very good point the the irony is the left are going
01:06:33.020 to be big beneficiaries if this revolution, this counter-revolution never works.
01:06:38.320 Yep, absolutely. Everyone, go get your books wherever books are sold. Thank you so much.
01:06:44.280 Thank you.
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