Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Today we are discussing abortion. Now we have discussed

00:00:06.360 abortion many times on this show. I encourage you to go back and listen to previous episodes.

00:00:13.900 Episode 113 talks about the spiritual battle that we face. Those of us who are on the pro-life side

00:00:20.360 when we are talking about abortion or when we are talking to people who advocate for abortion,

00:00:26.480 there was an episode called Calling Evil Good, I believe, that was about the New York legislation.

00:00:34.040 Specifically, we've talked about the Georgia legislation, the Alabama legislation. We have

00:00:38.720 talked about abortion a lot. Today, this is going to be just like all of the other episodes that you

00:00:45.460 guys have heard this summer. This is going to be a basic kind of introduction into what abortion is

00:00:52.260 and how to combat some of the most common lies or common arguments that you hear for abortion.

00:01:00.280 So I don't have to pretend that I don't already have my mind made up on this. You guys know this

00:01:05.140 is something that I am extremely passionate about, that I have been arguing for the sanctity of unborn

00:01:11.600 life for a very long time. I do it in speeches. I do it on my podcast. I do it on television. I do it

00:01:18.060 in articles. It is something that is so clear to me that it's very hard for me sometimes to wrap my

00:01:24.880 mind around how the other side thinks until, as we discussed on episode 113, when we discussed

00:01:32.240 spiritual warfare, until you realize this is not a flesh and blood battle. This is truly a spiritual

00:01:38.320 battle and you just have to understand that people are being deceived. That's the bottom line. And if you

00:01:43.220 don't believe me, hopefully you will agree with me, uh, by the end of this episode, there is truly,

00:01:50.040 truly not a single logical argument, not a single good argument that I have heard for abortion. Now

00:01:57.160 there could be some very sophisticated academic arguments out there that I haven't heard. I

00:02:02.940 obviously would not find them persuasive, but maybe I would find them somewhat logical. I just

00:02:10.520 have not found that. And look, I look for good arguments for the other side of things. I really

00:02:16.400 do because I want to know how to respond to them. So I don't just pick out stupid arguments and say,

00:02:21.960 well, this is what the other side thinks. No, I see it as beneficial to myself and to my side of an

00:02:28.800 issue to really fully and accurately understand what the best arguments are for the other side of the

00:02:35.540 issue. Because I think it makes me stronger in my position. It makes me better at having a dialogue

00:02:40.740 about these things. It makes me more thoughtful. And I think all of those things are good. So

00:02:44.780 just understand if you are a pro-choicer listening to this, or if you are a pro-lifer listening to this,

00:02:50.520 it doesn't matter. And you think that I'm someone who just hyperbolizes the other side or who doesn't

00:02:57.100 understand the other side, who hasn't really thought about the other side. Know that that is an

00:03:02.440 incorrect assessment. I think that it is not beneficial to me at all to misrepresent the

00:03:08.020 other side of any issue, including abortion. So while I am passionate about my position and I'm

00:03:13.540 passionate about the rightness of my position on this issue, my desire is not to mischaracterize

00:03:21.300 the pro-choice position. It's not to exaggerate it and it's not to lie about it. I promise you that.

00:03:28.760 I don't see that as positive in any way for either side of this. So as I'm going through these things,

00:03:34.940 know that I am trying to be as accurate and as exact as possible in what the pro-choice side says

00:03:41.580 and believes. That doesn't mean I'm not going to offer my opinion. This whole thing is going to be

00:03:45.960 what I think about abortion. But I don't have any desire to, like I said, lie or deceive you in any way

00:03:54.480 about what the other side thinks. Even though you already know my position on this, just know that

00:04:02.580 I am giving as much deference as possible to the other side. I don't even need, honestly, to

00:04:11.940 exaggerate the other arguments because I find them so easy to refute. So just understand that as we're

00:04:21.260 going into this. So let's talk about what is abortion. So I just decided to take the definition

00:04:27.800 given to me by Google. So if I just type in on the search bar, what is abortion to Google? Here is

00:04:34.420 what it gives me. The deliberate termination of a human pregnancy most often performed during the first

00:04:40.020 28 weeks of pregnancy. Well, that's just amazing for many reasons. And we'll talk about one of the

00:04:45.960 reasons in a little bit. But the first 28 weeks of pregnancy, like that is really far along. By 27

00:04:53.680 weeks, you've been feeling your child move for at least seven weeks. So there's no denying at that

00:05:00.240 point what this is inside your room. But again, we're getting a little ahead of ourselves. If you go

00:05:05.660 to PlannedParenthood.com, and so they're the largest abortion provider, obviously, in the country. And if

00:05:11.260 you look for what happens during an abortion, here is what their website will tell you. So it says

00:05:16.540 suction abortion is the most common kind of abortion procedure. A nurse or doctor may give you

00:05:21.440 medication to help open your cervix before abortion. Sometimes they also put small dilator sticks called

00:05:27.940 laminaria into the opening of your cervix a day or a few hours before your procedure. The laminaria

00:05:33.260 absorbs absorb fluid from your body. It's amniotic fluid, by the way, and get bigger, which slowly

00:05:40.600 stretches your cervix open. Then they examine your uterus. They put a speculum in to see your vagina,

00:05:47.900 inject a numbing medication into or near your cervix, stretch the opening of your cervix with a

00:05:53.880 series of dilating rods if you haven't had them put in earlier, insert a thin tube through your cervix

00:05:59.400 into your uterus, use a small handheld suction device or suction machine to gently take the pregnancy

00:06:06.600 tissue out of your uterus. They may also use a small surgical tool called a curette to remove any

00:06:13.900 tissue that's left in your uterus or check to make sure your uterus is totally empty. So if you will

00:06:21.300 notice what is missing from these definitions is any mention of what or who is actually being removed

00:06:29.780 here. Google defines abortion as the termination of a pregnancy. Planned Parenthood defines abortion

00:06:35.880 as gently taking the pregnancy tissue out of your uterus. So it should at least make you curious

00:06:43.420 if you are a pro-choice person right away when you observe that our greatest source and purveyor of

00:06:51.160 information, Google, and the largest abortion provider in the country, Planned Parenthood, are obscuring

00:06:56.900 what abortion actually is. Even if you are pro-choice, even if you are this on the side that advocates

00:07:02.480 for abortion, you should wonder if this really isn't so bad. If abortion really isn't that big of a deal,

00:07:08.780 then why can't we say what it actually is? You understand, no matter what side you're on,

00:07:15.740 what an abortion does. It doesn't just end a pregnancy, though technically it does that, but

00:07:20.800 what is the ending of a pregnancy. Planned Parenthood describes it as removing pregnancy tissue or

00:07:29.740 removing remaining tissue out of the uterus. It takes a human being, this is what abortion does,

00:07:36.520 you know what it does, it takes a human being that was alive and growing, whether it is at six weeks

00:07:42.820 gestation or 20 weeks gestation, and kills him or her. I mean, that's it. That's not an exaggeration,

00:07:49.520 that's not unscientific language, that's as scientific and as exact as it gets. If what is

00:07:57.140 inside a pregnant woman is not alive, then that's not an abortion, that's a miscarriage. If what is

00:08:03.060 inside a pregnant woman is not a human being, then she is not pregnant, and there is no need for an

00:08:08.140 abortion, okay? So we know that it is an alive human being if a woman is pregnant and she is getting an

00:08:16.820 abortion. If a woman is pregnant, then scientifically, medically, exactly speaking, she is pregnant with

00:08:25.780 a living human being, okay? That's just basic logic. It's really amazing that in 2019 we are going over

00:08:31.660 this. So it does not matter if you are pro-choice. That is the unmistakable reality that you have to

00:08:37.380 accept. If you can't accept that, then you should ask yourself as a logically thinking person,

00:08:43.020 then why do I find myself unable to come to terms with a scientific reality? If taking the life of a

00:08:50.320 human being in any way makes your stomach turn or makes you feel defensive or angry or makes you

00:08:56.900 emotional, if you find yourself ignoring the scientific reality in exchange for emotional

00:09:02.360 arguments like my body, my choice, you should ask yourself, really, why? You should also be asking

00:09:09.400 yourself why if abortion really isn't that big of a deal. If abortion is just a choice that some women

00:09:15.700 make and then get on with their lives. If it's nothing more than a trip to the dentist, why can't

00:09:22.460 Planned Parenthood or Google say what it is? Why do they have to use euphemisms? Why can't they be more

00:09:27.900 clear about it? Why do they ignore in both of their definitions the existence of a fetus? If the fetus

00:09:34.740 doesn't exist, again, this is not an abortion. They say it ends a pregnancy. True, but how?

00:09:41.700 Planned Parenthood tells you what the procedure is like for you, but any curious person, no matter

00:09:47.420 their political leanings, should wonder what does it do to the fetus? How does the fetus die so that

00:09:55.400 you're no longer pregnant? And this is not just Google and Planned Parenthood. This is the entirety of

00:10:02.340 the pro-choice side, the use of euphemisms in an effort to obscure what actually happens in an

00:10:09.200 abortion. There's not just one person involved. There's not even just two people involved, not just

00:10:14.440 the woman and the doctor. Having an abortion by definition is the ending of a pregnancy. Pregnancy

00:10:20.880 by definition means that you have a human being inside of you if you are a human being. That is just

00:10:28.320 basic biology. Choice, reproductive rights, own body, autonomy, freedom, health care. All of these

00:10:38.900 terms in regards to abortion do the same thing. They obscure that another human being is involved.

00:10:44.860 Yes, you do have a choice. You do have reproductive rights. You do have autonomy over your own body. You do

00:10:53.040 have freedom to do with your body what you will. You can have access to health care, but all of that

00:10:59.940 is redefined. All of that looks very different when it is no longer just your body involved, but someone

00:11:06.920 else's too. And from the point of conception onward, there is another body inside you, whether you like

00:11:13.840 it or not, whether you acknowledge it as another body or not. Again, that is a scientific reality. That is

00:11:20.520 not a religious perspective. That is not a moral position. That is a fact. From the moment of

00:11:27.420 conception, there's a human being with distinct DNA who, unless aborted or miscarried, will grow

00:11:35.340 into a fully formed baby and Lord willing, a toddler, a teenager, an adult, etc. Every single one of us,

00:11:44.020 all of you listening to this podcast, me, everyone in the entire world was once a zygote.

00:11:50.140 Okay. That is simply a stage of development. That is not a degree of humanity. We don't become

00:11:56.100 more human the older that we get. We often hear from the pro-choice side that an unborn child is

00:12:02.180 not a human. Well, that is unscientific nonsense. No doctor or scientist, no matter how pro-choice they

00:12:11.220 are, will tell you that when a woman is pregnant, she may or may not be pregnant with a human.

00:12:17.200 Never in all of history has a woman ever been pregnant with anything except a human being.

00:12:25.800 Any member of the homo sapien species from the point of conception to the point of death is a

00:12:33.040 human being. And even after death, they're still a human being. It does not make sense to arbitrarily

00:12:39.440 assign humanity to someone whenever we see fit. Again, that is emotional. That is illogical. That

00:12:47.200 is unscientific hogwash. Every adult living today was once a human zygote. It is just an early stage

00:12:56.080 of development. Unless you are willing to say that a newborn is less human than a toddler, simply because

00:13:02.800 the newborn isn't as developed as the toddler, which of course would be illogical. There is no reason for

00:13:08.460 you to say that a newborn is more human than a zygote. Same thing if you said that a 25-year-old is more

00:13:15.640 human than a 17-year-old because their frontal lobe is more developed. Or they're, yeah, they're more

00:13:22.080 human. That doesn't make any sense. Now, what pro-choice people really mean, what they actually mean when

00:13:31.680 they say that a fetus is not a human is that a fetus is not a person. Human is a scientific term

00:13:38.180 that cannot be refuted. Person is a philosophical term that ascribes value and in America guarantees

00:13:45.880 you basic rights. That is why abortion legislation, whether it's New York's pro-abortion legislation or

00:13:53.560 Georgia or Alabama's anti-abortion legislation defines a person, not a human, because any sane

00:14:02.100 person knows what a human being is from the point of conception, but a person. New York defines a person

00:14:08.380 as a human being outside the womb. Georgia defines a person as a human being with a heartbeat, which

00:14:14.380 typically starts at six weeks gestation. Now, states do have a right to define personhood. So the question

00:14:22.780 we should ask ourselves, when does a human being become a person and why? Well, here's the plain

00:14:31.840 truth. I don't know any other way logically to think about this. Defining a human as a person any point

00:14:38.760 after conception is arbitrary and therefore doesn't make any sense and therefore is immoral. So if you say

00:14:47.500 that a human zygote isn't a person, okay, why? When does a zygote turn into a person? When they have

00:14:54.800 a heartbeat? Okay, well, why does a heartbeat define personhood? The zygote is still alive if the woman

00:15:01.520 has a miscarried. Like we've already noted, we all start out as zygotes. So why logically does a zygote

00:15:09.560 magically become a person when they have a beating heart? And who says that? You? Do you say that?

00:15:16.860 Most pro-choicers are okay with abortion, though, after the heartbeat, far after the heartbeat has

00:15:22.160 already been detected. So if it's not when the heartbeat starts that a human being becomes a

00:15:26.680 person, when is it? When the baby can feel pain? So like 16 weeks or a little after that? Okay,

00:15:34.220 why? Is an adult that is under anesthesia, are they any less of a person? Is it viability

00:15:45.020 when a baby can live outside the womb? So around 24 weeks, is that when they become a person?

00:15:51.400 Why then? There are plenty of adults with special needs who are dependent on machines and their parents

00:15:56.180 to survive. Are they not people? Is it when the baby exits the birth canal? Is that when they become a

00:16:01.540 person? So they weren't a person five seconds before that? So it would have been okay to kill

00:16:08.120 them five seconds before they were born? They're not people? They're not people then? Who says?

00:16:13.460 You? Do you determine that? Why? So as you can probably see, assigning personhood to a human being

00:16:21.980 at any point after the point of conception becomes really arbitrary. It becomes subjective. And even what I

00:16:31.080 would call superstitious, it's based on nothing but your own feelings. And when we're talking about a

00:16:37.520 human life, it probably makes the most sense that we should be exact about it, that we shouldn't be

00:16:44.100 playing the game of determining what innocent, helpless humans get to live and die based on our

00:16:48.860 own subjective feelings. That just makes the most sense. Because if you carry that reasoning out to its

00:16:54.260 logical conclusion, you see that people determining who gets to live and die based on their own subjective

00:16:59.580 standards of personhood hasn't turned out very well throughout history. Any human rights atrocity

00:17:04.840 that you can think of from slavery to the Holocaust has been justified by people who decided that a

00:17:10.020 certain type of human was not a person by their standards and therefore didn't have value and

00:17:14.980 therefore was okay to kill. So if you are pro-choice and you find yourself doing the same thing,

00:17:21.160 ask yourself why you feel the need to deny reality to make yourself feel better.

00:17:26.500 Why do you feel the need to either deny that abortion into life and revert to the anti-intellectual

00:17:32.640 my body, my choice thing? Why? It's not just your body. Therefore, it's not just about your choice.

00:17:41.560 And say you are a pro-choicer who is honest with yourself. You acknowledge that a zygote,

00:17:46.560 a fetus, an unborn child is in fact a human being. Okay, good. So you've entered into the realm of

00:17:52.000 scientific reality. Now, will you come to terms with the fact that a human is a person? And this

00:18:00.920 isn't just based on how you feel. It is what makes sense. Because remember, any reasoning that you give

00:18:06.340 for why a human in the womb is not a person can probably be applied to human beings outside of the

00:18:12.100 womb. So age, size, location, dependency, sentience, self-consciousness. These are all characteristics that

00:18:18.560 describe many humans outside the womb too, particularly babies or people with special

00:18:22.740 needs. So if you're willing to say that an unborn human is not a person because they are at an early

00:18:28.580 stage of development, then ask yourself if logically you would say that, as we've already said, a teenager

00:18:35.780 is less of a person than a 25-year-old. If not, then why? If you are willing to say that an unborn human

00:18:41.840 is not a person because they are small, because they're in their mom's body, they're dependent on the

00:18:46.920 mother, they're not sentient, they're not self-conscious, ask yourself why logically, logically, a human

00:18:52.260 being, size, location, level of dependency, and intellectual capacity makes them any less of a

00:18:57.860 person. Because again, these are all characteristics of people outside the womb too. Are you okay with

00:19:03.660 killing them for these reasons? If not, why? Your answer is probably because they're not in their mom's

00:19:10.480 body. Well, you've just gone back to your faulty, illogical definition of personhood. Why does someone's

00:19:15.480 location or level of dependency determine their personhood, their value, or whether or not they

00:19:19.880 live or die? Where does that end? And who decides that? Is it you? So if any of these factors do make

00:19:27.340 someone any less of a person in your mind, then I would say congratulations. You now share the mindset

00:19:33.100 of every eugenicist that has ever lived. A eugenicist is someone who believes in impurifying society by

00:19:38.580 killing certain members who are not adding enough value. It typically includes mentally disabled, the elderly,

00:19:44.340 the poor, and of course in the case of the Holocaust, some religions and races too. So

00:19:48.240 that's something that you should maybe consider. And I just want you to be really honest with

00:19:53.840 yourself. Could it be, could it be, just have a moment of frankness, could it be that you've been

00:19:59.960 lied to? Could it be that Planned Parenthood, the largest abortion provider in the country,

00:20:04.780 aborting more than 300,000 babies a year, a donator of millions of dollars to the Democratic,

00:20:09.640 to Democratic campaigns, an organization founded by Margaret Sanger, who was an out, who was outspoken

00:20:16.280 about abortion being the solution to eliminating, quote, Negroes, is publishing propaganda and calling

00:20:22.360 it PR? Could that be? Could it be that they're pushing eugenics in the name of empowerment?

00:20:29.580 Considering that the vast majority of babies being aborted are black and brown babies,

00:20:33.200 that doesn't feel like that much of a leap. And that they're pushing maybe misinformation in order

00:20:40.020 to stay afloat, in order to make more money, in order to keep funding the Democratic Party. You think

00:20:45.760 that's possible? I do. Now, typically at this point, a pro-choice person gets very defensive and

00:20:53.400 frustrated. You've probably noticed that if you spent any amount of time engaging with a pro-choice

00:20:59.080 person, they move the goalposts a lot. First, they might say that a fetus isn't a human. You

00:21:05.060 disprove that. Then they say a fetus isn't a person. You push back on that. Then they say even

00:21:09.760 if the fetus is a person, they still don't have the same rights as a mother. And you say, sure,

00:21:14.220 they might not have the right to vote. They might not have the right to bear arms, for example, but

00:21:18.700 they are a person. And so at the very least, they should have a right not to be killed, right? Like

00:21:24.520 you would agree that all innocent people are entitled to not be dismembered or poisoned.

00:21:29.340 Right? Like at the very least, they won't answer you. But they may say, well, okay, I'm not for it.

00:21:37.480 I'm for the choice. I wouldn't have one myself, but women should have the right to choose, they would

00:21:42.080 say. Then you ask, why? Do you apply that reasoning to rape or any other form of murder? Should people

00:21:49.580 legally have the right to choose to murder? Should they legally have the right to choose to rape someone?

00:21:54.980 They might say, well, that's different. The government shouldn't have a say in what we do

00:22:00.200 with our bodies. Okay. Well, almost every law that exists dictates what you can do with your body.

00:22:06.780 Uh, you are free to use your body how you want until you use your body to harm someone else or

00:22:12.660 someone else's property. Uh, rape laws are restriction on your body. Uh, theft laws are

00:22:18.120 restriction on your body. Murder laws are restriction on your body, telling you what you cannot do to your

00:22:24.380 body or with your body. Uh, no one is free to do what they want with their bodies when they are harming

00:22:29.320 someone else with it. Okay. They'll say, uh, but banning abortion doesn't stop abortion. It just

00:22:36.240 makes it more dangerous coat hangers and all of that. Uh, one first, you should ask them where they

00:22:41.920 got that information because I haven't seen the data that actually backs that up. Uh, the number of

00:22:46.160 women who were dying from illegal abortions was about the same before Roe as it was after Roe. And

00:22:51.840 two, even if that were true, does that mean that there shouldn't be a law against it? Murder laws don't

00:22:57.220 stop all murders. Rape laws don't stop all rape. So should these things just be legal? No law stops

00:23:03.300 all crime. Uh, but we have laws anyway. Why? Because we value human life and therefore we believe that

00:23:11.320 there should be a punishment for abusing or killing it because that is justice. Uh, so if you're going to

00:23:17.660 argue that we shouldn't have abortion restrictions because it's not going to help much anyway, uh, then I'd

00:23:23.120 like to see you make that same argument for other restrictions and other laws. Uh, then they'll

00:23:28.860 probably just ignore you and they'll say, okay, well, what about rape and incest? To which you say,

00:23:34.120 I think racists are the most, or racist, rapists and racists are the most, uh, vile human beings to

00:23:41.340 ever walk the earth and they should go to prison for the rest of their lives and should be punished as

00:23:46.140 harshly as humanly possible for their disgusting crime. And family members who do the same, who,

00:23:52.580 who rape should possibly be given even harsher punishments. Um, yes, the dad who rapes his

00:23:59.920 13 year old daughter and gets her pregnant should go to prison for the rest of his life

00:24:03.340 in solid and solitary confinement. If I had in my way, and unless he repents and knows Jesus,

00:24:08.520 he is going to spend the rest of all of eternity rotting in hell. He is disgusting and the scum of

00:24:14.760 the earth. So you would say, I feel your anger, uh, towards these people. And I feel your sadness

00:24:20.800 for these victims. However, rape and incest account for less than 1% of all abortions. So it would not

00:24:26.940 make any sense to create an entire law based on a small exception to the rule, which is what most

00:24:34.000 abortions, uh, which is that, uh, most abortions are done for convenience. And the solution, by the way,

00:24:39.800 to rape and incest is not murder. Uh, there are right now thousands of families, thousands of families

00:24:46.740 waiting to adopt. Am I saying that I am happy for someone to carry a child's term after she has been

00:24:52.640 raped? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I wish that that had never happened to her, but we have to be

00:24:58.580 able to separate the atrocity of rape from the reality of unborn life, no matter how that life

00:25:04.320 is conceived. Uh, it's still a life because again, there is no logical reason to deem an unborn life,

00:25:10.180 no matter their conception, anything other than a human. And if a human, then a person. And if a person

00:25:16.320 then a value, um, and then they say, well, what about the cases where a mother's life is at risk?

00:25:22.020 Well, any pro-life law is going to have an exception for the life of the mother when it is a physical

00:25:27.860 life versus a physical life, not the physical life of the baby versus the emotional trauma of the

00:25:32.480 mother, not the physical life of the baby versus the convenience of the mother, but truly a physical

00:25:37.000 life versus a physical life. And we believe that these lives are equal in personhood. Then yes, a choice

00:25:42.480 must be made. Now, many mothers will choose if they can to risk their own lives for the sake of the

00:25:48.600 child. And that's fine. But the law is always going to allow for that choice. It should be noted.

00:25:55.140 However, that there is no reason, there's no reason to abort a viable feed, a fetus to save the mother.

00:26:02.680 So past 24 weeks, the safest thing for the mother and the child is to deliver the child. At 24 weeks,

00:26:08.400 the child is viable, meaning they can live outside the womb. At 27 weeks, the child has a 99% chance

00:26:13.260 of survival. So there is never any reason at this child or at this point that this child should die

00:26:20.200 to save the mother. None. It doesn't even make any medical sense whatsoever. So that is important to

00:26:25.460 note. Uh, then they say, well, what are you going to do with these babies in the adoption system and the

00:26:31.160 foster care system? They say you're pro birth. You're not pro life. Well, they say this because they think

00:26:37.160 that in order to care about people, you have to believe in big government programs that take care

00:26:41.460 of people. Uh, of course that's not true. Pro lifers are the ones at pregnancy centers, helping

00:26:47.260 these women find shelter, uh, parenting classes, even helping with the citizenship process, the

00:26:53.000 adoption process. It is pro life Christians who are doing the majority of the adoption and the

00:26:58.280 fostering, by the way. So if you are a pro choice person, ask yourself what you are doing, because if you

00:27:04.000 are talking to a pro lifer, chances are they are doing a lot more than you are to help people who

00:27:09.000 are already born. That's just true. I mean, the statistics show time and again, that it is

00:27:14.060 conservatives and particularly conservative Christians that are paying them, that are giving

00:27:18.280 the majority of charity in this country that are donating their time, their energy, their money,

00:27:24.600 doing the most volunteer work. These are people who are pro life, particularly pro life Christians who

00:27:30.000 are doing, uh, the bulk of this work. They don't just believe that we, uh, vote for a politician

00:27:35.600 to be compassionate on our behalf. They are actually out there on the ground doing it. So if

00:27:41.140 you are a pro choicer who is going to launch that kind of question as a, at a pro lifer, know that

00:27:46.320 you're actually going to get a tangible answer for what they do to help the born. And if you don't

00:27:50.620 have an answer for that, I would just go ahead and not ask it. Uh, Planned Parenthood, by the way,

00:27:55.580 does not help victims of rape and abuse. Uh, people who don't have homes or shelter or who

00:28:02.040 need help with citizenship or parenthood classes, they don't do anything for them. They kill their

00:28:05.820 baby. That is the extent of their so-called compassion. Um, then a pro choicer might bring

00:28:12.980 up war or the death penalty. While if you think that joining the military voluntarily or executing,

00:28:19.220 uh, a violent murder is the same as dismembering and unsuspecting, helpless, moving, living child

00:28:24.460 inside the womb, then I don't know what to tell you. Uh, anyone using a quarter of their brain

00:28:29.080 can see the difference in that. Uh, in both the death penalty in a war, the people being killed had

00:28:33.940 a choice, uh, in war, the choice, uh, they made to join the military as a valiant choice for the

00:28:40.340 murder. It's a cowardly choice that they made. And in both cases, though, it is a choice. The

00:28:44.660 unborn child who's killed does not have a choice. Now I have also talked about the death penalty on a

00:28:49.740 previous podcast and I'm trying to remember which podcast it was probably back in May at the beginning

00:28:56.500 of May. I don't remember the episode, but I have talked about the Christian perspective of the death

00:29:00.780 penalty before. Um, if they try to give you, if a pro choicer tries to give you this, the whole,

00:29:06.360 okay, you're in a room and you can only choose between the five-year-old and a thousand, uh,

00:29:13.460 embryos that are being frozen for, uh, IVF or something like that. Uh, and they say, okay,

00:29:20.780 you have to choose. And they say, if you choose the five-year-old, that obviously means that you

00:29:25.640 don't believe that unborn life is really valuable and that's why abortion is okay. Well, that's

00:29:30.440 stupid because that situation doesn't actually parallel what happens in an abortion. You're not

00:29:35.460 choosing between a thousand embryos and a five-year-old, or you're not choosing if you want to try to

00:29:40.960 parallel to abortion. The mom and the child, it's not a life and a life. This is not a life and death

00:29:47.160 situation that you're talking about here. You're talking about the convenience or the, uh, emotional

00:29:53.420 health or whatever of the mother and the physical life of the child. So it's not the same thing at

00:30:00.480 all. And just because you ascribe more value to one person doesn't mean that the people that you

00:30:06.480 don't choose aren't actually people. I would choose to save my daughter over a thousand other people,

00:30:15.600 but that doesn't mean that those people aren't valuable. And that certainly doesn't mean that

00:30:20.040 those people aren't people, but yes, of course I value my daughter over the lives of other people,

00:30:25.160 but that doesn't take away the personhood or the objective value of everyone else. So this is just,

00:30:30.640 uh, it's very stupid. It's very stupid. Uh, in everything, in every argument, they want to

00:30:38.060 obscure the fact that there is actually a life inside the woman's body. They want you to focus

00:30:42.860 on just the woman, on her convenience, on her future, on her mental, emotional health, whatever it is.

00:30:51.280 Uh, they will tell you that someone or that this child is going to be poor, that this child

00:30:56.520 is not wanted. But again, are you saying that because someone is poor, because someone, uh,

00:31:02.580 goes into the adoption system, because someone is unwanted, that they're not worthy of life,

00:31:08.260 they shouldn't be given a chance at life. Okay. Then why don't you apply that to people outside of

00:31:14.020 the womb? Why don't you believe in killing orphans now? Why don't you believe in killing homeless

00:31:19.080 people now? If being poor or being in the foster care system is really, uh, worse than being

00:31:26.020 dead, then you must also believe that the most compassionate thing to do is to kill orphans

00:31:32.040 and homeless people. But of course, you're not going to say that most pro-choice people will go

00:31:36.680 back again on the faulty premise that, oh, well, a child is still in the mom's womb. Okay. So what?

00:31:42.800 That's location. Are you going to kill someone based on their location? Again, based on their stage

00:31:48.980 of development? Why? It just becomes very illogical. You might also hear them say, well, this is just

00:31:55.540 men controlling women's bodies. This is the patriarchy. Again, that's not true. It is majority

00:32:02.840 of women in the pro-life movement. It is women who lead pro-life organizations. It is mostly

00:32:09.120 women who run the pro-life clinics. That doesn't make any sense at all. I do not care what you do

00:32:15.420 with your body. Uh, you do have the freedom to have as much sex as you want to have unprotected sex.

00:32:20.860 I'm not going to say, you know, anything about that from any kind of legal perspective. I don't

00:32:26.760 care what you do with your body, but when there is another body involved, when there's another

00:32:31.040 human being involved, yeah, I believe that you shouldn't kill that human being. Of course,

00:32:36.120 just like you believe that I shouldn't kill, uh, another human being. Of course. Um, the thing is

00:32:42.360 everyone in the pro-choice movement is fighting for themselves. Everyone in the pro-life movement

00:32:50.540 is fighting for someone else. It's not about control. It has nothing to do with bodily autonomy.

00:32:57.260 It has to do with what is right. It has to do with stopping violence against helpless individuals

00:33:03.320 who happen to be inside the womb. And there are so many resources headed up by pro-lifers,

00:33:11.800 particularly pro-life Christians that help not just children inside the womb, but children

00:33:16.500 outside of the womb and the mothers who find themselves in crisis. Um, from a Christian

00:33:22.160 perspective, we understand, we understand why there is no logic to the pro-abortion movement

00:33:28.460 because they have been completely deceived. They are darkened in their understanding. As Ephesians

00:33:34.700 four says, they are callous. They are hardened in their hearts. Again, I would go back to episode

00:33:40.120 113 and, uh, listen to that in some previous episodes where I talk about the pro-abortion

00:33:45.760 position from a Christian perspective. Uh, we understand that this is exactly what happens.

00:33:51.120 The glorification of abortion is exactly what happens when you exchange the God of scripture

00:33:55.920 for the God of self. Uh, when doing what you want becomes more important than doing what is right,

00:34:02.060 convenience becomes a sacrament. Uh, if something stands in the way of your happiness,

00:34:06.720 you remove it or you abort it. That's what happens in this self-centered culture. And we're all

00:34:12.020 supposed to bow down and say, okay, um, as Christians, there is never a reason for us to be

00:34:17.620 for abortion. Psalm 139 is clear. And we have talked through that before God values unborn life

00:34:24.840 from the point of conception, uh, onward. And we are supposed to reflect that love and reflect

00:34:32.480 that care. And so when you are confronted with these kinds of illogical arguments in regards to

00:34:38.800 abortion, it's important that you do have an answer, but more than anything, it's important

00:34:42.840 that we share the gospel. It's important that we, uh, put, uh, actions to our words, that we are

00:34:48.360 helping these women who are in crisis, that we are showing them the love of Christ and that we are

00:34:54.820 active in our faith and active in these beliefs, not just debating people on Twitter, which is really

00:35:01.760 fun and actually can be useful if done in the right way and done in a wise way. But also, uh, we are

00:35:08.100 being the hands and the feet of Jesus. But just remember there is not a single, there's not a

00:35:14.160 single abortion argument that you're going to come across that makes any sense. There's just not,

00:35:19.020 you might hear some emotional anecdotes, um, but the plural of anecdote is not data. So just remember

00:35:28.280 that. And it's certainly not the synonym of anecdote is also not truth. Um, so I hope that this was at

00:35:37.460 least a little bit helpful. And if you want to go back and listen to those episodes, you can,

00:35:42.280 and please subscribe on YouTube. If you'd like, follow me on social media, and I will see you guys again soon.

00:35:48.680 Bye.

00:35:49.680 Bye.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - July 24, 2019

Ep 141 ｜ Abortion

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