Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 15 ｜ On the Border： What's True & What's Not

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, it's Allie. Welcome to CRTV's Relatable, where you can find me every Wednesday giving my

00:00:05.460 Christian conservative analysis of relevant cultural and political topics. You can also

00:00:10.620 find me at CRTV.com slash Allie, where I have two videos per week offering my commentary.

00:00:17.460 I hope that you guys are having a great week. I'm sorry that this is coming to you a little bit

00:00:21.780 later today on Wednesday. I'm having some serious technical difficulties.

00:00:26.220 I love technology, but I also hate technology. And so that is the reason why this is coming out so

00:00:33.820 late today. So I'm sorry. I hope that you guys are having a great week. I got to meet a lot of you

00:00:39.860 at YWLS last weekend, and I'm so glad that I did. Y'all are literally my reason for podcasting every

00:00:46.660 week. Y'all make everything worth it, even those of you who I have never met before. And I just love

00:00:51.920 you. Okay, so we have a full fun episode today that will really be in two parts. The first one

00:01:00.580 is going to address everything that's going on with immigration, which seems to be dominating our news

00:01:06.460 cycle. A bunch of you guys have been asking me to talk about that. I will tell you the facts about

00:01:12.620 what's going on at the border, what each side is saying, and what the possible solutions are. Per

00:01:17.800 usual, the media is absolutely idiotic in their portrayal of this. So I'm going to do my best to

00:01:23.320 cut through the noise and to give it to you straight while also obviously offering my opinion

00:01:27.980 about everything. Then you're going to hear the Skype interview that I had with Turning Point USA's

00:01:32.240 Candace Owens. I had never talked to Candace before. And because she's in the news so much,

00:01:36.860 I wanted to get to know her, address some criticism that she has faced and kind of just understand what

00:01:42.020 her why is, what her goal is in the conservative movement. And then at the end, I will answer

00:01:47.580 one really good Bible question that one of you sent me. I think it's a question that we all have

00:01:52.360 had some at some point in our lives. So don't miss that. Okay, without further ado, let's get into

00:01:59.360 this immigration issue. Ugh. Ugh is what I have to say first. Just ugh. This has been such an ugly 1.00

00:02:07.780 news cycle. So if you remember a few weeks ago when this article and these photos were circulating on

00:02:13.080 Twitter of illegal immigrant kids in what looked like cages at a pound. People were saying, oh,

00:02:17.900 the humanity. Oh, this is Trump's America. The only problem was they were pictures in an article from

00:02:23.220 2014 when Obama was president. People from the Obama administration had actually retweeted this stuff

00:02:30.060 and then they deleted it. Why? Because Trump derangement syndrome is very real. And otherwise,

00:02:37.160 probably pretty smart people do very stupid things when they're so blinded by hate that they can't

00:02:44.280 even see a date of when an article was published. But it didn't even matter because it sparked so much

00:02:51.620 outrage that this was all people could talk about. And as it turns out, there is a problem at the

00:02:56.320 border. Kids are being held in centers right now with chain link fences without their parents. And it is

00:03:01.700 very sad. What you're hearing from basically every member of the media, even former First Lady Laura

00:03:07.120 Bush, is that this is a horrific Trump policy and that under his direction, Border Patrol agents are

00:03:13.700 ripping children away from their mothers and that at any moment Trump could stop this. And we can all go

00:03:18.340 back to the way things were where the border was safe and illegal immigrant families were together 0.52

00:03:23.400 and got to stay together happily ever after. So some of that is true, which is exactly what makes it

00:03:30.120 such a compelling lie. Families are being separated at the border and Trump could stop this if he wanted

00:03:35.880 to and go back to the way things were. The lies are that this is Trump policy to specifically separate

00:03:43.040 families and that the way things were before were so much better. So let me break that down. The

00:03:48.420 current law qualifies that the first illegal border crossing is a misdemeanor. The second time is a

00:03:53.440 felony. Either way, you are breaking the law. This was the case under Obama. It is the case now.

00:03:58.300 The difference between Obama and Trump is that Obama decided during his presidency that he was

00:04:03.200 not going to enforce the law and Trump and his administration are. Trump and company have

00:04:09.080 adopted what they call a no tolerance policy, meaning that if you are an adult crossing the

00:04:14.880 border illegally, you will be prosecuted and detained as a criminal. The byproduct of prosecuting

00:04:20.580 an adult is separation from their child. In no other circumstance in the United States do you detain

00:04:26.600 the child when a parent commits a crime? During Obama's time, if you were an illegal adult that

00:04:33.580 was part of a family unit, you basically got a free pass. It was kind of like a speeding ticket or a

00:04:38.220 parking ticket. You were given a court date and you may or may not show up. So the law then is the law

00:04:44.760 now. But the difference is, again, that Trump is actually enforcing this law and Obama did not,

00:04:49.340 at least for part of his presidency. During most of Obama's presidency, this exact same thing was

00:04:54.680 happening. But where was the media outrage then? It was at the very most minimal. It was reported on,

00:05:01.500 but not like this. I mean, turn on any network that is not Fox News and people are basically in

00:05:07.060 hysterics over this, talking about the inhumanity and the cruelty of it all. And I'm not saying that

00:05:12.000 some of what they're saying isn't true, but it's really hard to take them seriously when their outrage

00:05:17.260 is clearly directed towards Trump, not towards the mistreatment of these kids. If they really cared

00:05:22.900 about these kids, they would have always cared about them, even when Obama was doing the same

00:05:26.520 thing. I find it very troubling when people let the news cycle dictate their outrage rather than

00:05:32.980 simply having principles and values and reacting according to those. Those principles and values

00:05:38.840 should not change based on who's in office. Rather, they should be doing that rather than reacting

00:05:44.160 according to what is trending on Twitter. We're just hearing so much stupidity and just

00:05:50.380 misinformation about this border issue. So let me give you the big five things, the big five things

00:05:56.780 that I've taken away from this, and then I'll go on to explaining the rest. Number one, the policy by the

00:06:02.500 Trump administration is to prosecute adults who entered the country illegally, a.k.a. not at a legal

00:06:08.360 port of entry, a.k.a. break the law. It is the prosecution that results in the separation of parents from

00:06:13.920 kids. When you break the law, you run the risk of separating from your family. That is true in all

00:06:18.520 situations of law breaking, period. Granted, the Trump administration has been divided on this,

00:06:24.120 which is always their problem. They have way too many messengers. Everyone should just shut up and

00:06:29.600 let Kirsten Nielsen, who is the Secretary of Homeland Defense, talk. But no matter what, the fact is,

00:06:35.520 if you want to avoid separation, enter legally at a port of entry and file for asylum. Number two,

00:06:41.780 I do believe it is best for children in most cases to stay with their parents. I am pro-life,

00:06:47.560 meaning that I want families to stay together from the womb to the tomb, if humanly possible.

00:06:52.740 As long as the parent is their real parent, which is not always the case in these scenarios,

00:06:57.940 and as long as the parent is not causing harm to the child, I would like to see a way for them to

00:07:02.940 stay together. I also want these kids to be kept in humane environments, treated with dignity,

00:07:09.140 with love, with respect. Some of these facilities, it sounds like, are actually really great,

00:07:13.660 more like boarding schools. But some I've heard and seen are not. I personally am very uncomfortable

00:07:20.700 with the reports of these kids basically having to fend for themselves, nursing babies supposedly

00:07:25.680 being separated from their moms. That makes me sick. No matter what your stance is, I think that

00:07:31.520 we can agree that the conditions need to be drastically improved in some of these facilities.

00:07:37.020 Number three, the solution to all of this is on Congress, not only on Trump. Trump is only

00:07:43.800 enforcing the law that Obama, beginning as recently as 2014, decided not to. Congress needs to present

00:07:50.840 a legislative fix to this, which Ted Cruz is doing. Whatever legislation is presented needs to allow

00:07:57.600 for two things, the continued criminalization of crossing the border illegally and the detention of

00:08:02.940 families who cross the border together while they are either awaiting deportation or the approval of

00:08:08.760 their asylum claim, which leads to number four. Most Democrats do not want to hear legislative

00:08:15.180 solutions to this problem. They're using this to gain moral and political capital. That's the bottom line.

00:08:21.060 The proof is in the piece of legislation written by Senator Feinstein and signed by all, signed with,

00:08:28.120 you know, given a stamp of approval by all other senators that they're currently proposing is

00:08:33.540 absolutely ridiculous. It would basically mean that you cannot separate a child from any prosecuted

00:08:41.120 criminal within 100 miles of the border, any part of the U.S. border. If they wanted to actually end

00:08:46.340 this, they would propose legislation that's, oh, I don't know, not a complete laughingstock to the rule

00:08:52.560 of law. Democrats are not going to pass a solution. They do not want a solution. They want this to last

00:08:57.940 as long as humanly possible because they're going to use it as PR for the Democratic Party to lord

00:09:03.400 it over Republicans in the midterms. They want immigrants to be able to come in no matter what,

00:09:08.060 no questions asked, and they want to paint all Republicans and Donald Trump as evil in the

00:09:11.940 meantime. They think that is going to help them. But in my opinion, this is not going to help Democrats

00:09:17.340 because once again, they're showing just how crazy they are. Republicans and conservatives are willing

00:09:22.760 to come to the table. We've expressed the same concerns they have, and it's like they are not

00:09:27.860 listening. They continue to label us as these bigots because we won't jump on the Trump is

00:09:33.100 literally Hitler bandwagon. Newsflash, people don't like being categorized as Nazis just because you

00:09:40.600 disagree with them. That's exactly what made you guys lose in the first place. It's like y'all can't

00:09:45.060 even have a discussion without taking it to the most absurd ad hominem degree. And then guess what?

00:09:50.200 No one listens to you anymore. We all care about children. You think I like hearing about the

00:09:55.240 Down syndrome girl who was separated from her parents? No, it breaks my heart that she was

00:09:59.760 separated. It breaks my heart that she was in this situation in the first place. We all want some kind

00:10:05.220 of fix. But until Democrats take about 500,000 chill pills, nothing is going to get done. Plus, I mean,

00:10:12.260 it just has to be asked, why do Democrats all of a sudden care about children? The irony has to be

00:10:20.020 pointed out that the party who literally celebrates as choice babies being ripped apart by forceps in

00:10:25.040 the womb is suddenly torn up about the mistreatment of children. I mean, really? And number five,

00:10:30.040 the media, per usual, is not helping. They are making things worse. They have already made up

00:10:36.360 their minds. They are making arguments devoid of any fact or reason. And they are labeling everyone

00:10:40.720 who doesn't agree with them as bad people. What they've made clear is that you cannot bring

00:10:45.540 facts to a feelings fight. Every headline says it is Trump's policy to separate families,

00:10:51.620 which is not true. The press listened to the audio of crying children during a press conference.

00:10:56.360 Rachel Maddow cried on air. And again, I'm not saying they can't be upset about what's going on.

00:11:01.160 I'm upset about what's going on. But forgive all of us if we have a tough time taking this hysteria

00:11:06.440 seriously when you had very little to say when the same thing was happening under Obama and when you

00:11:11.500 won't even cover the actual facts of what's going on. They are making people completely turn off.

00:11:18.440 No one believes you guys in the media anymore. The reason people are taking it as seriously as

00:11:23.320 they should is because no one trusts you. It might be as bad as you say, but it doesn't matter because

00:11:29.140 you guys have exaggerated everything Trump has done for the last two years. You guys don't have any

00:11:34.720 credibility. It's the boy who cried wolf. Everything since 2016 has been the end of the world. And now when

00:11:40.680 you actually need people to listen to you, they're not. And here's the truth. There are legal means by

00:11:47.020 which you can flee danger in your country and come to the United States. You can go to a port of entry

00:11:52.780 and file for asylum. When you do, you are either held in a detention facility or placed on parole.

00:11:58.480 If you're able to put up money or have family in the area while you await the verdict of your

00:12:03.660 application, you have to prove to the judge that you are indeed fleeing imminent danger. If not,

00:12:08.560 you will be deported with your family. If so, your asylum will be granted and you get to stay 1.00

00:12:13.340 here with your family. But you are not separated from your family or the policy is not to separate

00:12:18.840 from the family unless you break the law by crossing illegally or if you are assumed to be a danger

00:12:24.760 to your child. So our only options to stop that separation is either A, we stop prosecuting adults

00:12:31.500 as criminals for crossing the border or B, we find another way to detain these criminals with their

00:12:36.920 families. I advocate for B. I do not think it helps anything or anyone to stop prosecuting people

00:12:42.500 who cross into the country illegally. It is a crime. There are legal ways to flee your country 0.99

00:12:47.760 and sneaking across the border is not one of them. They should be prosecuted, detained with their

00:12:53.360 families and either file for asylum or be deported. But in order to keep, in order to be able to keep

00:12:59.720 the child with the prosecuted adult, there has to be a law change. There has to be legislation that says

00:13:04.380 if you're prosecuted as an illegal immigrant crossing the border, you will stay with your 1.00

00:13:09.280 family. Democrats, though, really think or say that they think that turning anyone away is mean.

00:13:15.440 They think that we should regard every illegal immigrant as a refugee. Actually, they don't 0.82

00:13:20.100 even believe in using the term illegal when it comes to immigrants. They say that people can't be 0.68

00:13:24.160 illegal. Do you say the same thing to people who break into your house? It is the breaking in that

00:13:31.280 is actually illegal, right? Just as it is the crossing into our country without permission 0.99

00:13:35.740 that is illegal. I'm sorry if you have a problem with that term, but that's literally just what it

00:13:39.700 is. Conservatives, of course, believe in legal immigration, but believe that in order to have

00:13:44.940 any sovereignty whatsoever as a nation, we have to have laws and laws by nature must be mandatory

00:13:50.760 to be considered laws. They're not meant to be suggestions. And if they are mandatory,

00:13:55.260 then there must be consequences to breaking them. So let's go backwards with that logic.

00:13:59.900 If people are able to break the law without consequence, then those laws are not laws.

00:14:04.480 They are suggestions. If we have no laws, then who are we to say that we are a nation?

00:14:09.980 Do you see how that works? In order for a nation to actually exist, it has to have enforceable laws.

00:14:15.280 There has to be a consequence for breaking the law and not just any law, but especially immigration 0.64

00:14:20.180 laws. A country without borders isn't actually a country. It's just a massive land where people come

00:14:25.080 and go as they please. How are we supposed to govern a nation in which we have no control over who

00:14:29.440 comes in and who doesn't? That is not compassionate. That is completely imprudent. Are we not supposed

00:14:34.540 to consider the welfare of our own people? We don't have unlimited resources. You do have to

00:14:39.640 consider the cost and it's not mean to do so. This is just a fact of the matter is that the vast

00:14:45.680 majority of illegal immigrants in this country are on welfare. That's from research from the Center

00:14:50.620 for Immigration Studies. So tax dollars are supporting people who, instead of entering the

00:14:55.620 country the right way, ignored the law and are now living here on America's dime. And I think that

00:15:00.300 when we think of that, it sounds so selfish. We think of these rich, privileged Americans paying

00:15:05.280 a few bucks for the illegal immigrant. But no, that's not reality. We're talking about the middle 0.85

00:15:09.100 class, the people who are barely getting by. They're the ones who are feeling the weight of

00:15:13.360 illegal immigration in this country. Not to mention the crimes that are committed by illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:15:18.520 Now, this is not to say that all illegal immigrants or even most illegal immigrants come here

00:15:22.160 and commit additional crimes. I don't think that's true. But the fact of the matter is the crimes they

00:15:26.460 do commit would not have been committed in this country if they were not here. Kate Steinle,

00:15:30.900 killed by an illegal immigrant in San Francisco, would still be alive. The dozens of teenagers we've 0.99

00:15:35.140 heard about killed by the violent gang MS-13, they would still be alive. Drunk drivers who are illegal

00:15:40.040 immigrants who are guilty of manslaughter, their victims would still be alive. Look, I am pro-immigrant 0.99

00:15:45.460 and I am pro-asylum when people truly need asylum. I believe that immigration should be tightly 1.00

00:15:50.160 controlled, though, that it should be merit-based in order to prove that if you come into this

00:15:54.440 country, you will be able to support yourself and contribute. I believe that we should build a wall, 0.74

00:15:59.440 something I did not used to believe but now really do. Now, there are different kinds of walls.

00:16:04.800 A friend of mine shared with me an article about a smart wall, which is really just meant to use all

00:16:12.480 technology that we have at our disposal to secure the border rather than an actual physical barrier.

00:16:16.800 So maybe if we had a wall, some kind of wall that actually stops people from crossing along the

00:16:22.600 southern border, these atrocities wouldn't be happening here or they'd be happening at a much

00:16:27.140 lower rate, I guarantee you. If you make it nearly impossible to cross the border illegally,

00:16:32.060 you're not going to have women and children risking their lives to do it, which is something we also have

00:16:37.620 to consider, the safety of the people who are crossing the border illegally. The Huffington Post

00:16:42.260 reported all the way back in 2014 that 80%, 80% of women crossing the border coming from Central

00:16:48.640 America are being raped on their journey. 80%. In many of these cases, the so-called families 0.99

00:16:54.360 that show up aren't actually families, that they use these kids as human shields basically so they

00:17:00.900 can get priority for asylum. Those are just two examples of how it's so dangerous for these people 0.97

00:17:08.040 to make this journey. Smugglers use women and children to get drugs across the border. 0.98

00:17:12.640 Kirsten Nielsen said that human smuggling cartels are making $500 million a year smuggling these people

00:17:19.140 illegally across the border. And the Washington Post fact-checked that and actually said that that

00:17:23.540 was a lowball number, that they're actually probably making much more than that. So this is a

00:17:28.360 multi-million dollar, probably nearly a billion dollar illegal enterprise happening here,

00:17:32.900 this smuggling of people across the border, and we are the bad guys?

00:17:35.980 Why don't we talk about these people in other countries who are exploiting children for monetary 0.57

00:17:40.640 gain? If you go to the FBI government website, you will see their description of violence that

00:17:48.140 happens on the Mexican side of the border, the absolutely horrific atrocities being committed

00:17:52.140 by people there, not just murder and rape, but torture, unspeakable violence. And where is the

00:17:57.540 Mexican government, by the way? Hmm. But we're to blame. But look, there are some things that the 0.96

00:18:05.360 Trump administration is doing wrong. First of all, like I said earlier, they've got way too many

00:18:09.900 people talking. Jeff Sessions, who is the attorney general, Stephen Miller, Kirsten Nielsen. Jeff

00:18:15.320 Sessions, as you guys probably saw, quoted Romans 13 about following governing authorities, which,

00:18:20.660 you know, I don't particularly love that he did that just because I think it's a cheap use of

00:18:24.220 scripture. And it's just not a good argument, because there are obviously some laws that contradict

00:18:29.320 God's law, and we are not called to keep those. Think of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who were

00:18:35.880 thrown into the fiery furnace for refusing to bow down to the image of Nebuchadnezzar. So even though

00:18:41.560 it is true that we're supposed to obey the law, it gets tricky when we use that verse to start

00:18:45.500 justifying our lawmaking. Now, I agree with Jeff Sessions that we should honor immigration laws by not 0.99

00:18:51.080 allowing illegal entry. I just don't think this was a great way to defend those laws. But of course,

00:18:57.440 the hilarious part about this is that it has caused many on the left, including MSNBC, to

00:19:02.360 suddenly pronounce their love for the Holy Word of God and their theological expertise. I mean, it's

00:19:07.120 really incredible, considering that just last week they were protesting Chick-fil-A for once stating

00:19:12.300 support for a biblical view of marriage, considering they don't apply the Bible at all to things like

00:19:16.580 marriage, sexual promiscuity, or abortion. Now, though, now the Bible is uber important. Now they're

00:19:23.300 all experts. Okay, got it. No. How about everyone? Everyone on both sides leave the biblical interpretation

00:19:31.740 up to people who actually read the Bible. Okay, does that sound good? Which leads me to the most

00:19:37.200 important part of all of this, which is not my opinion. But what does the Bible actually say about

00:19:42.060 this? Because Jeff Sessions is partly right. Romans 13 does say to obey governing authorities.

00:19:47.620 I agree with him that the law is good. God sets up rules and regulations for his people, Israelites

00:19:52.660 and Gentiles that are for our good. But specifically, the Bible has a lot to say about the sojourner or 0.80

00:19:58.880 the alien among you. Leviticus 19, 33 through 34, Exodus 22, 21, Exodus 23, 9, Malachi 3, 5,

00:20:06.840 Deuteronomy 27, 19, kind of went out of order. Okay, Jeremiah 7, 5 through 7. These all discuss

00:20:13.180 the importance of kindness and justice for the stranger among you. Then, of course, the story of

00:20:17.560 the Good Samaritan in Luke 10 paints this picture of helping someone of a different ethnicity or

00:20:21.720 background than you. Matthew 25, 35 says, for I was hungry and you gave me food. I was thirsty and you

00:20:27.040 gave me drink. I was a stranger and you welcomed me. But walls, both literal walls and metaphorical walls

00:20:34.020 are also depicted throughout the Bible as a means of protection and order. Read Nehemiah and the

00:20:38.120 rebuilding of Jerusalem's walls as a metaphor in Proverbs 25, 28. A man without self-control is like 0.51

00:20:44.260 a city broken into and left without walls. Why is that used as a negative metaphor? Because cities

00:20:49.740 without walls are bad. They're unsafe. They're unwise. And now I'm not even using those references to say

00:20:56.900 that biblically God says that every country should have walls and that is necessarily the biblical 0.89

00:21:02.560 justification for building a literal wall. I'm not really saying that. What I am saying in a much

00:21:07.260 broader sense is that it is obvious that even with God's heart for the sojourner, he still saw

00:21:12.840 necessity in barriers of protection. Based on the Bible, here is how I see it. Number one, in a perfect

00:21:20.740 world, we wouldn't need immigration laws. We would not need any borders or barriers, period. But it is a 0.70

00:21:26.300 fallen world and we do have to be realistic. It is not compassionate for those on the inside or the

00:21:31.100 outside coming in to allow everyone who wants to come into the country to come in. We risk both 1.00

00:21:35.760 people's safety and our country's resources when we do that. Not to mention we cease to be a sovereign

00:21:40.280 nation. In fact, the stronger the immigration laws, the better. We have to secure our border so that 0.97

00:21:45.200 women and children aren't being smuggled over the border and that they're not being incentivized to

00:21:49.760 make that dangerous journey to cross the border illegally. We need to build a wall of some sort to secure

00:21:54.560 the border. We need a streamlined asylum process where you can show up at a port of entry and be detained

00:21:59.500 with your family while you are waiting your claim to be approved or denied. We need merit-based

00:22:04.820 immigration. We need it into the visa lottery system. We need an into chain migration. We need 1.00

00:22:11.240 e-verify. These are the things we need to be pushing our congressmen to pass. We have to make

00:22:16.740 sure, number two, we have to make sure that the people who are being detained at the border are being

00:22:20.680 treated fairly and kindly. And if possible, that true families are always able to stick together.

00:22:25.740 Number three, it is our job to love the immigrant, legal or illegal, once they are here. If you have 1.00

00:22:32.740 an illegal immigrant next door, for example, the loving thing to do is to serve them, to build a

00:22:37.880 relationship with them and help them figure out what they can do to be here legally and contribute

00:22:44.080 to society. Now, maybe some of you would disagree with me on that, but I just don't think the Christ-like

00:22:48.960 thing to do in that situation is to report them to ICE. I just don't. They're here. Love them.

00:22:54.620 I also think we can pray for them, pray for the corrupt leaders in these countries. Maybe we can

00:22:59.600 look for ways to actually help those people where they are in Central America and Mexico,

00:23:05.180 rather than just bringing them here. It doesn't necessarily always make their life exponentially

00:23:10.440 better. I think we can pray for the people that are being smuggled, pray for the children,

00:23:16.500 pray for even the smugglers that they would know Christ. Remember, we live in an imperfect,

00:23:22.780 broken world in which corrupt countries cause their people to flee. It will continue to be

00:23:28.260 like this until Jesus comes back. Until then, we have to employ both wisdom and love in enacting

00:23:33.860 laws that protect people in this country, while also showing compassion in our own lives for those

00:23:38.620 who are running from danger. It is not easy. This is not simple. I'm not saying that I have perfect

00:23:44.760 answers or the perfect interpretation of scripture, but we have to come together. We have to find a

00:23:49.760 balance and we have to do something to fix this issue. Okay, that is it on immigration for now.

00:23:57.160 There was a lot to cover, a lot to say. Now I want to move on to my interview with Candace Owens,

00:24:01.600 which has nothing at all to do with immigration. So Candace works for Turning Point USA. She was

00:24:07.300 once a YouTuber by the name of Red Pill Black. She used to be a liberal. She now is what she really 1.00

00:24:13.220 just describes as a free thinker. She's had a following for a while, but she really blew up

00:24:18.980 when Kanye West tweeted a couple months ago. I love the way Candace Owens thinks. Most of you

00:24:23.180 probably saw that. Now she's literally everywhere. And with that kind of thing comes a lot of

00:24:29.960 controversy, almost always. Candace is no stranger to controversy. Before she was Red Pill Black, she had 0.97

00:24:36.660 a site called Social Autopsy that revealed the information and social media history of people accused

00:24:41.780 of cyberbullying, which a lot of people didn't and still don't like. She was actually a victim of a

00:24:46.600 hate crime in high school. It's a really awful story, which is what kind of led her down the path

00:24:52.200 of advocating for people who were getting bullied. She doesn't have that site anymore, obviously, 0.93

00:24:57.060 but a lot of people still talk about it. You might have heard about some comments that she made

00:25:02.100 about Me Too that people didn't like. Also, she recently did a video about suicide that people were

00:25:07.740 talking about that they didn't like. And depending on your own opinions, you might just think that

00:25:13.120 that kind of criticism comes with the territory when you're so popular, or maybe you think it's

00:25:17.580 all legitimate. I'm going to let you make up your own mind on that. She is a very articulate person,

00:25:22.960 very poised, who makes a lot of good points. In this interview, I just wanted to get to know her,

00:25:29.540 to ask her some questions that I know other people have been asking.

00:25:32.340 I honestly wish I'd asked her more. Honestly, I think I said honestly twice in that sentence. Sorry.

00:25:39.220 I wish I had pressed her on a few more questions, not to be mean or anything, but just because I think

00:25:45.740 that we could have had an even better discussion if we had fleshed out our disagreements. And if I

00:25:50.000 had voiced a little bit more where I diverge from her takes on things, because I do diverge on quite a

00:25:55.540 few topics from her. But hopefully we can have her back because I enjoy talking to her. Anyway, here you go.

00:26:01.620 Candice, thank you so much for being here. I am so excited to interview you because I've never

00:26:10.200 actually had a conversation with you, which is crazy because I feel like you've crossed paths so

00:26:15.400 many times. But so I just want to ask you kind of who you are, where you come from. And my first

00:26:22.660 question that I have is, are you a conservative? Would you classify yourself as that?

00:26:28.080 Yeah. So I like to say I'm more of a fighter for freedom. And if you believe in free ideas,

00:26:34.180 then you it's naturally a conservative position. Say there is no home for free ideas on the left.

00:26:39.160 So, you know, I try to be careful because then people say, oh, this could be libertarian. This

00:26:43.540 could be conservative. My whole thing is I want to be Candace Owens and I want to be Candace Owens

00:26:47.720 without because I don't want to have to assign a bunch of beliefs to my skin color, to my sex. I just

00:26:53.040 want to have my own ideas. And that's a conservative position today. Yeah. So what would you say that

00:26:58.460 you are conservative on? Like what were the issues that you were like, okay, that's it. I am a

00:27:04.740 conservative on those particular issues. I'm decidedly pro-life. I, let's just go through

00:27:12.600 them. What are like the typical conservative? What are the big ones that everyone's always talking

00:27:16.280 about? Pro-life? Yeah. I mean, I would say, you know, free market, capitalism, strong

00:27:22.280 holders. I would say we're a turning point USA. It's all we talk about. We hit these campuses and

00:27:25.920 we're talking about free markets, especially in terms of how it fixes the black community, 0.75

00:27:29.540 which I'm the most vocal about. Obviously, I think that we've gotten ourselves in a rut

00:27:33.480 and a lot of it is due to all of these, you know, social welfare programs that have not been helping us

00:27:39.280 whatsoever. What are the other big ones? I'm like blanking on all the, what are you conservative

00:27:44.360 about the question? Are there, are there any that you're kind of like, because you talk

00:27:49.140 gay marriage. I'm not against that for a lot of reasons. Um, the biggest one just being that I

00:27:55.460 don't think marriage should ever have been a government issue, but because it is, I think 1.00

00:27:58.960 everyone has the right to get the same tax breaks because they're married. So since it has, um, it

00:28:04.100 should have probably stayed in the church. Now it's in the government and because it's in the

00:28:07.060 government, I think it's, it's fair to say that, um, gay people deserve the exact same tax breaks

00:28:11.560 because everybody else, um, I had tons of cousins that are gay. I've been to gay weddings.

00:28:15.340 Um, obviously, you know, I'm very close to Dave Rubin. Uh, but yeah. Yeah. So you're more like,

00:28:20.380 you're more like libertarian on that, which I think a lot of conservatives probably are.

00:28:24.520 Was there a moment that, cause you said that you're, you know, you're very pro-life. Was there a moment

00:28:29.220 that you realized, wow, the things that I believe in actually aren't represented by the left?

00:28:36.160 Yeah. So I just thought I was a liberal. Like there was no reason. It sounds so stupid to say this,

00:28:40.960 but I always call it like a sleepy liberal. Like I just assumed that if you were pro-freedom,

00:28:45.740 I had this idea that being a Republican or being conservative was racist. That's just the truth.

00:28:51.560 And it's a system of a doctor. Is it because you grew up that way? Like are your, are your parents

00:28:54.960 progressive? Yes. Yes. Um, especially my mom, my dad has actually voted Republican in his life. He is a,

00:29:01.040 you know, he, I would say he's more of a lifelong Democrat. Um, but he has voted a Republican in his

00:29:05.780 life. Uh, my grandparents were Democrats, um, in our Democrats, my grandmother's dead,

00:29:11.180 but my grandfather is alive. Uh, so I just sort of thought because of the, I guess the education

00:29:17.220 system, because of the way that my history was taught to me, uh, black history is taught in the

00:29:21.540 school system that every time blacks have had freedom in America, it was given to us by the 0.96

00:29:25.480 Democratic party. Um, and that's, that's what's being taught. I mean, that's just quite literally

00:29:29.060 the right answer to the test. We learned about the Southern strategy and that the Republican

00:29:33.400 Democratic party switch that's false. But if you're in a public school education, when are you

00:29:37.760 actually going to learn that all of that is false? You know? Um, so when I actually started paying

00:29:42.320 attention to politics, which was, um, you know, just a couple of years ago, I started realizing that

00:29:48.720 everything was sort of taught to me the wrong way. And I felt extremely, uh, lied to and duped and it

00:29:56.360 became, it was like a fire inside of me. Like I was like, I need to inject different voice into the

00:30:01.440 dialogue with the black community because no one's doing it in a disruptive enough manner, 0.67

00:30:06.320 I guess. So what made you wake up and realize that? Cause you, I've read your stuff from the

00:30:11.460 past. We all change our mind, but I mean, you've always been, and you've said this before, you've

00:30:15.320 always been very smart. So you say that you're a sleepy little, but I know, I know that, you know,

00:30:21.000 you, you knew your stuff and you knew what you were talking about. So, you know, at what point

00:30:27.080 where you're like, Oh shoot, I, you know, I just, I don't believe this stuff anymore.

00:30:32.600 Well, I was book smart. I wasn't thinking critically. I had remembered the answers,

00:30:37.080 you know, uh, for the test. So I I've always done really good in school in that regard.

00:30:42.480 Uh, but I had no practical life experience and I was so burdened by debt. Like I left school with

00:30:49.660 a hundred thousand dollars plus in student loan debt. Um, don't have parents that could provide for me

00:30:53.760 financially, had to figure out my life. I was sleeping on my girlfriend's couch when I didn't

00:30:58.500 get my degree in college because my loan got declined my senior year. The last thing anybody

00:31:02.380 cares about when they're burdened by problems is, uh, politics. Even though if you really think about

00:31:07.680 it, everything is political. The reason why you have these problems are political. You can say the

00:31:11.920 same for the black community. You have people that are on welfare trying to feed their children. You 0.91

00:31:15.840 think they want to stop and debate political arguments. So I understand how I got brainwashed.

00:31:20.380 Here's your free education where we're just going to brainwash you. And now you have a bunch of

00:31:24.200 problems, sort them out. It's hard to take a step back and say, wait a second, I'd like to pay

00:31:28.500 attention to politics and understand how I got into this position in the first place.

00:31:32.220 And what was, I know you said it's not a specific moment. I don't have a specific moment when I became

00:31:37.420 a conservative either, but you talk about that kind of just like waking up to where you realized that

00:31:42.780 you had been believing all of these things that, you know, don't truly align with who you actually are.

00:31:47.040 What was that? Was it like you were watching the news or did you read a book? How did you,

00:31:52.580 you know, come upon that?

00:31:54.100 So I did like a really long form interview, which you should watch, uh, on the Reuben Report where I

00:31:58.340 talk about, um, I was working on a project and it's a crazy story, but it sort of led me to

00:32:03.900 understand that Twitter was operating some troll accounts during, um, president Trump's, uh, during

00:32:09.340 Trump's campaign for the white house. And that those troll accounts would be run by females that were 1.00

00:32:15.340 liberal who were pretending to be Trump supporters and calling other people racial slurs, threatening

00:32:21.180 to rape women. And then people would run away with that narrative that Trump supporters are racist

00:32:24.900 and sexist. So that was the big aha moment at the same time watching Donald Trump, you know, run for

00:32:30.520 the white house. And, um, if you remember during that election cycle, this is a man who everybody

00:32:35.660 loved prior to him announcing that he was running for president, uh, coming from a world that I grew up

00:32:40.800 on hip hop. It was Mar-a-Lago, this Mar-a-Lago that, you know, that was goal. You know, he was

00:32:45.860 winning civil rights awards. Um, and then all of a sudden he runs president and they're like,

00:32:51.060 nope, nevermind. He's racist. And I'm smart enough to know, but you can't just suddenly tell me to

00:32:55.120 love him and then hate him. All the people that were celebrating him like Snoop Dogg, right? If you

00:32:58.680 remember Snoop Dogg was a part of, uh, the Donald Trump roast when he, uh, had that on, I don't remember

00:33:03.280 which network it was suddenly saying, you know, he's a racist, stay away from him. So it just felt

00:33:07.740 really inauthentic to me. And I think if there's one thing that people remember me as for my entire

00:33:12.400 life, my school life, my college life, my work life, I'm extremely authentic. And I don't like

00:33:17.060 when people try to insert ideas in my head. And I just said, he's on the truth. This is fake news.

00:33:22.380 And I started to realize that racism was a theme that was just meant to keep black people as single 0.99

00:33:26.840 issue voters. So I wasn't active politically at all. Like, you know, I didn't vote. I just thought,

00:33:31.720 assumed I was a liberal and I was Democrat because I was black. Yeah. But it's just the truth. 1.00

00:33:36.300 Yeah. It was just, so it was like that, that Twitter thing, which is absolutely crazy by the

00:33:40.880 way. And then it was kind of seeing the hypocrisy about Donald Trump. And so that was, you would

00:33:46.080 say kind of like the gateway into, wow, this issue, this issue, this issue. Um, are you a person of

00:33:53.660 faith? Like did that ever affect your political views? It's so interesting because, so I grew up in a

00:33:59.400 very Christian home. Like my grandfather, we had to read, uh, prayers every single morning and answer

00:34:04.760 questions like around the breakfast table. Like my grandpa's like super Southern, very Christian.

00:34:09.960 Yeah. And I, I rebelled against that in my middle years, you know, and, but that's when things were

00:34:15.660 really bad for me. I had a really hard time from the time that I was, I would say 16 to 21. I was not

00:34:21.540 happy. I was, I was a mean person because I was an unhappy person as I sort of became, that came more

00:34:28.200 and more into my own. As I started to think about what I wanted out of life, as I became more mature and

00:34:32.400 more secure and increasingly more conservative, it just brought me back to a place of spiritualism

00:34:38.060 in a very bizarre way. I got very sick at the end of 2016. Um, for six months I was bedridden.

00:34:44.000 I'm going to talk a little bit about that at the YWS thing tomorrow, I think. Um, but that was really

00:34:48.280 time where I thought I was going to lose everything. I, my entire face was, uh, you know, completely lost.

00:34:53.180 I couldn't think. And when, you know, when God wants to bring you to your knees, he will. And it just,

00:34:59.640 it changed my life. I started like re it really humbled me. I think first and foremost is most

00:35:04.700 people, when they meet me, are really surprised by like how nice I am. And I always wonder if he

00:35:09.140 did that before he wanted me to do this. If he had to bring me to my knees and make me realize how

00:35:14.320 easy it all could be gone, um, in order to give me the platform that I have to become a lot of

00:35:25.200 personalities. Um, but that to me just brought me a lot closer to spiritualism. And then of course,

00:35:30.260 you know, Charlie is an evangelical Christian, so it's hard not to be spiritual around him.

00:35:34.020 Like when people do bad things to Charlie Kirk, he'll literally be like, I'm going to pray for

00:35:37.760 them. And it just makes me go like, I need to be that person. Like, you know, like that is like

00:35:42.700 the kindest, like someone can do something terrible to him. You know, just be like, you know what,

00:35:47.100 I'm going to, I'll be back. I'm going to go pray for them. Like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

00:35:50.620 one thing I have noticed about Charlie is that he's a really good peacemaker. Like he's really

00:35:55.620 good at making amends with people. And I do think that that says a lot about you. So are you,

00:36:00.780 you said spiritualism, are you, are you, would you call yourself a Christian?

00:36:05.600 Well, I think for some, my spiritual path, if you will, started with yoga. Um, I got really into

00:36:11.500 meditation, really into yoga. Um, and, and that's like not necessarily saying God, but just

00:36:17.540 acknowledging like spirit guides, if you will, if there are, that there's more to you and that you

00:36:21.820 can really focus on something. Meditation is, is prayer. Right. Um, and I just, it sort of cleared

00:36:27.380 my mind and, you know, I was like, I don't need to assign this to a God, but I just need to speak

00:36:32.360 to the universe in a way and find my center. Um, you know, I didn't want to be seen during those six

00:36:37.380 months. I, I, I know that sounds really vain, but it really, I didn't, I, nobody saw me, not even

00:36:42.820 only my cousin was the only person that I allowed to see me. Um, but I would go to yoga and, you know,

00:36:47.700 just pray that this thing would be wiped off from my face and my body. And, um, but you know,

00:36:54.860 increasingly, I guess I, I'm not a practicing Christian. I was raised Christian. And so the,

00:36:59.700 the, for me, it's very easy. It's just, you know, my family talks about God all the time. Um, and I'm,

00:37:05.420 I am Christian. Uh, but you know, I, I, I just say I'm spiritual and I, I know that there's somebody

00:37:11.340 that is moving the world because the things that have happened to me, the blessings that

00:37:15.700 I've had, um, and the curses that were ultimately in the end, realizing they were blessings, like

00:37:21.200 losing everything, losing my hair, my face. And, um, that's because God, I don't know,

00:37:26.220 God needed me to do that.

00:37:28.140 What do you see as your, your biggest role in the conservative movement or even the, the

00:37:34.920 black conservative movement, if you want to make that distinction? Um, I know you talk about

00:37:38.740 that a lot. So what's the specific role that you see yourself playing?

00:37:43.980 I feel like I need to free them. Like, I feel like our minds have been enslaved. My mind was

00:37:49.620 enslaved and I know how blessed I feel right now to be free. Like I didn't know that I was enslaved.

00:37:55.760 So the journey is hard because they don't even know that they are enslaved right now. They don't

00:37:59.960 even know, um, how nefarious and how calculated it was. And, um, for us to believe that we were free

00:38:06.760 when in fact we, we aren't free whatsoever. We're in a place where we've become, as I always say,

00:38:12.120 ideological slaves. Um, we have been pulling the weight for a democratic party and they've given

00:38:16.540 us nothing in return. So I see my biggest goal in being a punch in the face. And I always say

00:38:20.860 a punch in the face, like, obviously, you know, I'm much more like blunt. And, uh, I think people

00:38:24.740 that read my Twitter, you're like, how can you just say, like, say it like that? But the truth is,

00:38:28.760 is that it wasn't working the other way. You know, we've had the people that have done it the right

00:38:32.640 way. Condoleezza Rice. She's amazing. Right. One of the smartest women in the world, if we're 1.00

00:38:37.160 being honest, the first black woman to get into Augusta, the first black person to get into Augusta.

00:38:41.640 We've had Dr. Ben Carson and I was blessed to meet him and to speak to him and really,

00:38:46.280 you know, connect and he gets what I'm doing. Um, it just, it didn't work. And it's because

00:38:51.680 someone had to have the sass and the swag, if you will, to say, I'll, I'll, I'll talk trash. 0.93

00:38:57.780 You want to talk trash? I'll talk trash right back to you. You know, I'm not afraid of this.

00:39:01.200 Um, because everyone else has a white, they, you're white. Dr. McCarson's white. Condoleezza 0.58

00:39:06.380 Rice, she's white. Um, even though those, their stories are literally from nothing all the way to 0.99

00:39:11.200 the top. And you would think that we would be admiring that, but instead we're admiring LeBron

00:39:15.220 James. Right. Right. So you feel like they're, even though their accomplishments are great,

00:39:21.640 their way of actually trying to win black people over to conservatism hasn't really worked. So what

00:39:26.380 would you, you said that your tactic is a punch in the face. Yeah. What is, what is that really,

00:39:30.760 what does that mean? So let's start from the beginning. I started on YouTube, right? I was

00:39:34.500 making YouTube videos and I understood, okay, I'm black. What is black culture? We love humor.

00:39:39.480 We, that's the quickest way to get black people to pay attention to use is to use humor. I am

00:39:44.180 like my family. We are the funniest people in the entire world. I said, I might be a little biased.

00:39:49.500 I think I have the funniest family in the entire world. So I grew up like we make fun of each other.

00:39:53.500 That's how we show love. Right. So I wanted to make the videos feel like that. I wanted to be

00:39:57.620 funny and quirky and do voices and just be myself really. And, but packing a lesson here and I knew

00:40:03.100 it would get under their skin, but I knew that they would want to engage in it because I know

00:40:06.320 that in my family, making fun of somebody and getting under the skin is what, you know,

00:40:10.360 it's how we get into our arguments and our, and our little fights. So that's how I started. I just

00:40:14.980 wanted to make videos. You know, sometimes I would just rant like that first video that got 80

00:40:19.140 million views. I was just like, really? I was talking about KKK his whole life growing up. So I

00:40:29.220 like, no, like the fact that black people today believe that we are living in a worse time than

00:40:34.060 our grandparents is an insult. It's an insult to everything that they went through and everything

00:40:37.220 that they fought for. We're spoiled. We're spoiled rotten, you know? Um, so yeah, I guess that was sort

00:40:42.940 of my style and approach was more lighthearted and people, I think initially thought I was really

00:40:47.580 stupid. No, she's making these cute, she's a cute girl making videos. And this was, this was 1.00

00:40:52.500 strategic where we live in this generation. You're, you're a millennial. I'm a millennial

00:40:56.960 quickest attention span ever. The videos had to be fast. They had to be, um, a splash because

00:41:03.280 otherwise, but would just not watch. So if they like Dr. Thomas soul, he's absolutely brilliant,

00:41:07.960 but are they going to watch a two hour lecture of Dr. Thomas soul? Are they going to watch this

00:41:11.800 girl that's in your face doing camera tricks and, and going, you know, and pissing you off a little 1.00

00:41:17.160 bit? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it definitely grabs your attention. I remember your first video. I remember

00:41:21.340 when the first one went viral and my mom was like, do you know what this is? I know, but I'm sure I

00:41:26.560 will. Um, so yeah, I love that. That's great. Um, so you've probably learned a lot from the first

00:41:33.040 time that you were like started waking up to these conservative ideas and realizing that you aligned

00:41:37.620 with them to now. Are there, are there any sources of information or books that you've read that have

00:41:44.420 majorly influenced you over the past couple of years? Um, so I read Dr. Thomas soul, like

00:41:50.000 religiously I'm reading right now, uh, race and intellectuals. I think that's his new book and

00:41:54.600 someone gifted it to me. Um, so that's what I'm reading right now. Um, Walter E Williams, amazing

00:41:59.280 to read, to really understand. Um, yeah, I, I just, I watched a lot of their videos and interviews.

00:42:05.240 Like I'm, I say my biggest source of inspiration is Dr. Thomas soul. He, he has so many books out and

00:42:11.060 you could be reading him. I could be reading him for the next five years, which is great. Um, but

00:42:14.520 he's issues. So what I like to do is, is read from them, understand the points and then redeliver

00:42:20.620 them in a way that makes sense. And that's not to dumb it down. It's just to make it more

00:42:24.400 conversational and colloquial. And you know what Donald Trump is tremendous at, right? He doesn't

00:42:29.040 get up there and speak above people said he's talking to them, like he's their next door neighbor and,

00:42:32.900 you know, moving his hands and saying, you know, these ridiculous sentences to some people,

00:42:38.820 but it's, it's feels more real. It feels more authentic, but it's something that people can

00:42:43.360 understand and relate to. And that's what I'm always trying to demonstrate. Yes. Sometimes

00:42:47.500 I think we probably disagree just a little bit on the rhetoric, which is totally fine.

00:42:51.200 I'm not the biggest fan of his rhetoric. I think he does a lot of things. Well,

00:42:55.940 that particular thing, I think he could work on. What do you say? You have a lot of critics,

00:43:01.260 but my dad used to say the farther you climb up the ladder, the more your butt is exposed.

00:43:05.660 Um, which is true for you. You like that expression. Yes. You should, you should use

00:43:10.340 it. Yes. Yes. You can use it free of charge. Um, but you would, you were already someone obviously

00:43:17.080 before Kanye West tweeted you, then he did. And it like blew up exponentially. It seems like,

00:43:23.100 what do you say to all of the people who criticize you say that you're fake, that you're a fraud,

00:43:28.760 that you're really just a liberal, that you're a token that, you know, turning point is just using,

00:43:32.800 you know, what do you say to all that? I don't say anything. People are entirely thrown opinions.

00:43:37.020 If I woke up every day and I was worried about people's opinions, I wouldn't be able to get out

00:43:39.980 of bed. I mean, you do punch back at people. You do, you don't stop me. You know, you defend

00:43:46.640 yourself. I do. And, and, and, but even that is strategy. It's an art form, right? So I will,

00:43:51.660 I will pluck the person because I get these comments all day, but I'll wait. Right. So for a while,

00:43:55.440 you may have seen the last two weeks, I had the Ellen show producers like attacking me on

00:43:59.580 Twitter after every tweet. It was very bizarre. I said, let me wait. I'm going to, I'm going to

00:44:02.960 wait and let them keep doing this. And then I'm going to call them all out at once to show you

00:44:06.100 how hypocritical the left is. This is just the Ellen show is about love. At the end of every show,

00:44:10.600 she says, be nicer. Her two executive producers have been tweeting, calling me stupid, calling me

00:44:16.960 this, calling me that. And I said, okay, this is a perfect moment just to, as a piece of art,

00:44:21.000 show people, am I offended that they call me stupid? No, I'm a tough girl. I've lived through a lot of

00:44:24.880 stuff. I have sisters first off, and I'll tell you, nobody says anything worse to me than my

00:44:29.340 sisters in a group chat. Like we are constantly insulting each other, you know? Um, and that's 1.00

00:44:33.320 just a sport of being sisters, but I do want to demonstrate to the world, the hypocrisy of the

00:44:37.760 left, the things that they say to CJ Pearson, who was like 15 years old. Uh, so I punched back, um,

00:44:44.460 but I punched back strategically and it's a demonstration to show people what my ultimate

00:44:49.660 message is, which is that you've been duped. You've been lied to people that pretend that they're the nice

00:44:53.380 people that they have the moral high ground are the nastiest people that I've encountered in my entire

00:44:58.400 life. Right. Right. So you don't have, you don't really care when people talk about like,

00:45:03.000 you know, people talk about social autopsy, being like a doxing site and all of that and say, you

00:45:07.280 know, that's so progressive and so far left. And how could you be a conservative now? That doesn't

00:45:12.340 bother you? No, not at all. Because it wasn't, it wasn't political. It was a non-political thing that

00:45:17.000 was supposed to help high schoolers being bullied because I went through a situation in high school

00:45:20.540 where three kids were arrested for sending messages. And what people want to want to politicize

00:45:25.400 that could not care less. I'm not even kidding. Yeah. Um, okay. One last question. Cause I know

00:45:32.280 you have to go. There's obviously been some conflict, but you know, you're no, you're no

00:45:37.960 stranger to conflict. There's been some conflict around recent comments about me too. Um, and a lot

00:45:43.200 of people feel that you, uh, you were basically calling victims of me too weak and inconsequential

00:45:50.000 for stepping forward. Is that, is that what you meant to say? Or is it more about me too?

00:45:56.080 I said, I said me too. So I don't even understand how they could have possibly built that

00:45:59.800 trauma and argument. I did not say sexual assault victims. I said, the me too movement

00:46:04.000 is this. And, um, you know, Condoleezza Rice said it before me and no one cared because she's 0.70

00:46:10.940 older and she has a little more sophistication than to tweet it. And I could have learned that

00:46:15.820 lesson. And I did this sign that if I, if I want to talk about something bigger, do it long form,

00:46:20.600 don't do it in a series of tweets because then people will nitpick. Um, but look, I, I meant

00:46:25.000 what I said. I think I've been ideologically consistent from the beginning. I've come out

00:46:28.840 and I said that I don't support black lives matters. Does that mean, does that mean I don't

00:46:31.820 support black people? No, I came out and I said, I don't support March for our lives. Does that mean 0.93

00:46:35.700 that I want kids to be shot in school? No, I'm coming out and I'm saying that I don't support

00:46:39.900 the me too movement. And I find it to be problematic because I mean that I don't support

00:46:43.020 rape, you know, rape survivors. No, absolutely not. I'm saying that a lot of these movements

00:46:47.160 that are rooted in victimhood, right? Um, initially they inspire people that feel like they finally

00:46:51.840 have a voice black lives matter. So many of my cousins even said, this is great. Like

00:46:56.800 I've been pulled over by cops so many times. And I know that it was because I was black and

00:47:00.600 they saw themselves in a movement, but eventually black lives matter movement got hijacked and

00:47:04.640 people started realizing that they could assassinate careers that they could, that they could

00:47:08.600 have an upper hand and it no longer became productive. And it created a separation between

00:47:12.520 white people and black people. Similarly, you can say for March for our lives, it became,

00:47:16.500 you know, initially these high schoolers felt like they had a voice and that they could say

00:47:20.440 how they felt and that they were scared. It got hijacked and it created division against

00:47:23.820 people that are pro 2A, but that I support and know and love and people that want strict

00:47:28.200 gun control. And then you could say for the me too movement, same thing. Victims saw themselves

00:47:33.580 in this movement. Uh, great. It's good that they, that they felt inspired to have a voice.

00:47:37.900 And now I believe that it's been hijacked and it's become a means to take down people. And

00:47:41.800 look, I speak out against this because God forbid, you know, with all the work that training

00:47:45.380 points do and you've been to our conferences, you see how big we're getting. God forbid they

00:47:49.040 try to go after all the men on our team by, by, with allegations. Like, and, uh, Gail King

00:47:53.880 said it's, it's getting rid of due process. It's enough to end somebody's career with an

00:47:58.220 allegation. Morgan freedom, Freeman, they're already talking about reversing his accolades and

00:48:02.500 they have, they haven't even, you know, they said he made a comment and one girl said that

00:48:06.280 he, he potentially, I don't know. I don't really know the details of me. She said he

00:48:09.660 potentially, she, she tried to touch her. Um, and that's enough to reverse his entire

00:48:14.580 life's work. Cause that doesn't really seem fair. And look, Ali, you're, you and I are

00:48:18.820 about the same age. I think about all the time that we're probably going to have kids,

00:48:22.280 right? Like we could potentially be having kids in the next seven years. What if we have

00:48:26.200 a little boy, right? Is this the world that we want to create? Is it that, that this

00:48:30.860 becomes the world that they live in, that if they say something that is flirtatious,

00:48:35.020 it could potentially be misconstrued. And now they're in the same category as Harvey

00:48:38.580 Weinstein, who is a monster, Bill Cosby, who is a monster. And I would never defend the

00:48:43.520 lines have been blurred. And until we start speaking out and saying, no, that's not a

00:48:47.300 part of this woman, but this is, um, it's, it's going to create a world that's impossible 0.99

00:48:51.280 for guys to live in.

00:48:52.420 And I think that's the distinction is being able to say, here's the good part about me too,

00:48:57.220 that women are coming forward and they do have a voice. I have a lot of

00:49:00.840 criticism about me too. One, I just made an entire PragerU video on toxic masculinity. So

00:49:06.740 you don't even have to get me started on that. And I have problems with me too, primarily as a

00:49:10.800 Christian, because it doesn't offer any hope. Um, it doesn't offer the gospel, which I think is 1.00

00:49:15.700 the answer to all sin and the answer to all desperation at the end of the day. So I do have

00:49:20.880 a problem with me too. Um, but I also, and it's such a hard balance to strike. I also don't want

00:49:26.900 people who want to come forward and who feel protected by me too. Like, Oh, well now they

00:49:32.720 can't because, you know, someone's going to call them weak or, you know, they're just,

00:49:37.940 they're weak. I, I, what I'm calling are these movements. So black lives are like, I, my heart

00:49:42.940 goes out to black people who feel that they've been, you know, met, you know, miss unfairly

00:49:48.120 treated by police officers and they get pulled over. It's not what that movement is about anymore.

00:49:52.380 It's about creating a war between black people and white people. Right. So when Condoleezza 0.94

00:49:56.780 Rice, I were talking about the trappings of me too, and she used a stronger word. She said,

00:50:00.300 you know, let's not turn women into snowflakes. She said, and I could see why that could be 0.85

00:50:05.260 offensive, but try to really look at what we're talking about. A lot of these movements that are

00:50:09.300 rooted in victimhood get hijacked and we have to be careful with that stuff. We have to be careful

00:50:14.320 because then you're just re victimizing the victim. And I find that they use victims and I don't

00:50:19.840 like it. So I'm actually defending victims at the highest regard because I'm saying that what you

00:50:24.260 went through and allow people to say, Oh, after 20 years, I fell out of amnesia. And I do remember

00:50:34.120 that Donald Trump did try to hit on me a lot. We've seen this and it becomes a part of the hashtag me

00:50:38.660 too. Right. So that actually cheapens what you live through. Like we had a girl give a speech today 0.90

00:50:42.680 about her rate and that's an incredible, powerful story, but it doesn't need a hashtag. What you live

00:50:47.480 through is so important that I hope you find your voice. I hope you find your strength.

00:50:51.980 And when it gets blurred in with the girl who from 20 years ago, a lot of amnesia recently and

00:50:56.800 remembers that Donald Trump down her in a lobby, it's messy. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What is your vision

00:51:04.400 and goal for the next five years? And then I'll let you know this question, because I feel like it

00:51:08.560 shapes, it shapes so much. I'm not a politician. I really, it's ironic that I'm even in politics

00:51:15.520 because I actually hate politics, right? I talk about how much I hate all of this stuff

00:51:19.500 and everything is politicized. But, um, I, I just want to call it cause like inspire revolution.

00:51:25.200 I want to be a part of people freeing their minds. Every time I get on stage, the message that I give

00:51:29.300 to everyone is you are a powerful person. Don't be a fan of me, be a fan of yourself. And if you let

00:51:35.380 society continue, continue to tell you why you can't, which I feel that we've done so much

00:51:39.600 like self-confidence is, is almost considered a bad trait nowadays. You know, they use words like

00:51:44.900 selfish and they mean it in a bad way. Um, believe in yourself, like believe that you can do it.

00:51:49.860 I totally disagree. I actually really disagree with you on that. I feel like people love themselves

00:51:55.680 way too much and that we make everything about us. And that is what makes us, I think that that is

00:52:02.600 what holds us back as not just conservatives, but making a difference in general. If you're only in

00:52:07.960 the, not you, but in general, if your only goal is fame and the only goal is yourself and the only goal

00:52:13.520 is making a name for yourself and making yourself bigger, your flame is going to be out like that.

00:52:17.820 You've got to attach yourself. Not you, not you, not you. I'm talking about in general,

00:52:22.920 like your message. Like, I feel like I always tell people, no, don't believe in yourself.

00:52:27.800 Believe in something bigger than yourself. No. Okay. This is interesting. We should do something

00:52:32.100 on this. I actually, I like this. Um, I like this debate. So I think that from the second that you're

00:52:37.560 socialized as a child, you're told what you can't do and what you're bad at. You're bad at math.

00:52:41.900 You're bad at reading. Oh, you got to get better at dance. You got to get better at gym.

00:52:45.720 And the most confident people in the world are children who haven't been socialized yet. Yeah.

00:52:49.760 Go find a three-year-old on the playground, go find a child. They think they can fly. They

00:52:53.800 literally don't understand gravity. They think they can, and they're the happiest people in the entire

00:52:57.620 world. And then when you go, you find a 13 year olds, it's all gone. Like, like the, the fire and

00:53:02.860 the belief in themselves is all gone. And I think that that makes it really easy for people to be

00:53:07.120 controlled. And, and people that are very self-confident actually tend to go very far in

00:53:12.120 life. And I'm not talking about this, self-confident and narcissistic. And I think what you're hitting

00:53:16.660 on is the culture of narcissism. Like I feel like when I'm doing my Instagram thing, I, I'm so aware

00:53:21.940 of how lame it is that I'm like holding a phone and being like, I'll be on Fox in five minutes.

00:53:27.180 And that that's the culture that we breed. And I hate, I do hate for narcissism of it all.

00:53:31.120 Instagram is really hard for me. I think it's good for girls that like to show their bodies and,

00:53:35.600 you know, have a beauty project, but I like Twitter because it's just intellectual.

00:53:40.780 But I think that there's a difference between self-confidence and narcissism and narcissism

00:53:45.480 is a culture that social media often produces. Self-confidence is the key to the world.

00:53:51.960 So that's your goal and message for the next five years, you would say that's the revolution

00:53:55.460 that you want to lead.

00:53:56.580 Yeah. And we're launching it and we're going to launch just a revolutionary idea and concept

00:54:02.240 and a book that I've been working on. And you've got two minus a T minus eight weeks

00:54:07.780 out and we've been working so hard. So I hope it goes well.

00:54:11.140 You can't say what this revolutionary idea is.

00:54:14.760 No, but I promise in the first week that I announced it, I will do an interview with you.

00:54:18.600 Okay. That would be great.

00:54:19.800 We should like crazy and nuts and wanting to interview, but I will totally do this. I love

00:54:23.600 you. I love what you're doing. Congratulations.

00:54:25.460 So that's that. Let me know what you think about it. Send me an email or a message. And

00:54:29.380 I told you all I would answer a couple of your Bible questions. Once again, I got a million

00:54:34.540 questions and they were all really good, but I only have time for one. And this is it. This

00:54:40.500 is from Jenna. So she says, my friend was murdered recently. And I don't think that was God's plan

00:54:47.100 for her life, right? Because sin entered the world. She was murdered. But why didn't he make

00:54:51.960 his perfect plan for her work and help that not to happen? So this is a very good, very hard,

00:54:57.980 but also I think a very common question because it's basically this, would a good God let or cause

00:55:05.260 bad things to happen? And the very uncomfortable answer is yes. In this fallen world. Yes. But first

00:55:13.820 I do want to say how terribly sorry I am that that happened. Know that God is near to the brokenhearted,

00:55:20.360 that he binds their wounds. He brings beauty out of ashes. He makes good come from evil. He does have a

00:55:26.120 plan for all things and he is close to you. And I'm just so, so sorry that that happened. To answer

00:55:33.560 your question though, was this murder God's or part of God's perfect plan? Is anything part of

00:55:40.360 God's, is anything horrific part of God's plan? Rape, sex trafficking, child abuse? And the answer is

00:55:46.980 kind of complex. So I'll lay it out as best as I can. We have to remember four irrefutable attributes

00:55:53.120 attributes of God. One, he is everywhere. Two, he is all powerful. Three, he knows everything. And

00:56:00.180 four, he is completely good. So he is omnipresent. He is omnipotent. He is omniscient and he is good.

00:56:08.900 Those attributes are what makes his plans perfect. Not that they are actually perfect in our eyes,

00:56:15.340 but that they are perfectly in line with his will, no matter what that means. So is it his will

00:56:22.720 for horrible things like murder to happen? Um, when we talk about the goodness of God and balance it

00:56:29.720 with the sovereignty of God, we hear a lot that God quote, allows things to happen. And while that's

00:56:35.960 true in some ways, for example, we know from James one 13, that God does not himself tempt us with sin.

00:56:41.900 So anything directly caused by human sin, like murder, it's not like God directly encouraged that,

00:56:48.180 but the hard truth is we, he could have stopped it if he wanted to, because there is absolutely

00:56:55.400 nothing that happens that is outside of his grasp. That's why I don't love the term allow when it comes

00:57:01.600 to God, because it makes it sound like God took a step back and pretended not to see what was happening

00:57:06.700 or something. And that's just not accurate. Um, Job 42, two says, I know that you can do all things and

00:57:12.660 that no purpose of yours can be thwarted. Psalm 139, 16 says, your eyes saw my unformed substance

00:57:18.800 and your book were written every one of them, the days that were formed for me when as yet there was

00:57:23.420 none of them. Um, I think this is very hard for us to comprehend that a good, all powerful God would

00:57:28.840 watch as something like murder, um, happens and then do nothing. It seems like we are really

00:57:34.740 uncomfortable with calling things God's fault. So we use terms like allow, but I don't think that's

00:57:40.820 really an accurate portrayal of God's character. Um, I've always thought about it with this analogy

00:57:45.560 that I think, I think is my own original creation, unless I read it somewhere and I just don't

00:57:50.520 remember. So y'all can call me out if so, but I think I thought of this on my own a few years ago.

00:57:55.020 Um, so you have a babysitter who's watching a two-year-old, the two-year-old drowns in a pool.

00:58:00.080 When the parents get home, there are four possibilities for them to consider. Number one,

00:58:04.360 that the babysitter was not present when it happened. Number two, that the babysitter was present,

00:58:08.560 but was somehow physically incapable of getting to the child. Number three, that the babysitter

00:58:12.940 didn't know how to save the child or number four, that she was present, uh, capable of saving the

00:58:19.100 child and knew how to save the child, but she purposely didn't. So say number four is true that

00:58:24.060 she was there. She was able, she was knowledgeable, but she did not save the child. Would we say that the

00:58:28.980 babysitter just allowed the drowning to happen? Would we say that, well, she didn't push him in. So

00:58:34.480 she just allowed it. It's not her fault. No, of course not. It would be her fault because she

00:58:39.380 had all the power in the world to stop it. And she didn't in the same way. God has all the power

00:58:43.740 in the world to stop bad things from happening. And he sometimes does it. And as uncomfortable

00:58:48.560 as that makes us, we don't need to let God off the hook. He doesn't ask to be let off the hook.

00:58:56.560 Now that doesn't answer the question of why, even with free will, he does have the power to stop

00:59:02.300 all things from happening. We, we don't fully know why though. Sometimes he does. And sometimes

00:59:07.460 he doesn't. Why cancer? Why child abuse? Why car wrecks? Why all these things that seem so

00:59:13.360 unnecessarily evil and tragic? Heck, why did the fall happen in the first place? Surely he could

00:59:19.180 have banished the serpent from the garden of Eden. Go back even further. Why did he make Lucifer knowing

00:59:24.300 full well that he was going to rebel? I don't know. What I do know is that his own glory is his number

00:59:31.180 one goal. And it's the purpose of his plan of redemption for all of us. That every single

00:59:36.200 thing that happens falls in line with his ultimate plan of redemption and glory. Ephesians 1, 7 through

00:59:41.420 10 says, in him, we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according

00:59:46.060 to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us in all wisdom and insight, making known to us the

00:59:51.440 mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness

00:59:56.580 of time to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. I don't know why a loving,

01:00:03.960 good God who is fully in control of every facet of the universe purposely lets, for lack of a better

01:00:09.360 term, bad things happen. Some kinds of bad things seem more understandable than others to me. Sickness,

01:00:16.260 okay. Death, okay. But the sick sex trafficking and rape of little girls and boys, the murder of an

01:00:23.000 innocent child, that I'll be honest with you, I don't get. And I don't think I ever will. Tim Keller

01:00:30.380 has a great analogy for this in his book, Reason for God. And it's the analogy of a child getting a

01:00:35.440 vaccination shot. The child is going to cry because of pain and the parent will comfort their child.

01:00:41.120 They will hold their hand. They might even cry with them, knowing though that the pain is going to end

01:00:45.380 and that ultimately the vaccination is worth this pain. The parent doesn't try to explain the

01:00:50.640 vaccinations to the child. There would be absolutely no point in that. The child cannot understand.

01:00:55.700 All the child knows in that moment is pain. So if that's the gap of understanding between a child

01:01:01.300 and a parent, two fallible human beings, imagine the gap of understanding between a human being and

01:01:07.020 God, a fallible being and an infallible one. That's really all I have. Romans 9 talks about the

01:01:13.900 sovereignty of God, how difficult it is to comprehend for human beings, how natural it is for us to

01:01:18.580 question God's goodness when he clearly ordains things to happen that we don't understand.

01:01:23.000 I don't think we will ever fully specifically know why these things happen. What we can do though is

01:01:29.320 put our hope in Christ, the author and the perfecter of our faith, knowing that the trials that we endure

01:01:34.220 now aren't even worth comparing to what God has stored up for his followers in heaven. That one day

01:01:39.040 God's going to wipe away every tear, that there will be no more sadness, no more murder, no more

01:01:43.760 confusion, no more politics, no more disagreements, and we will all worship in perfect harmony and joy

01:01:48.820 forever and ever. I hope that at least somewhat answers your question. And again, I'm so sorry

01:01:57.700 that that happened. It was a really good question. And I hope you all had some encouragement from that.

01:02:03.800 Feel free to send me your thoughts. Okay, that's all I have for today. Again, I love you guys. As always,

01:02:08.560 thank you so much for listening. Leave a review if you would like. Follow me on social media if you

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - June 20, 2018

Ep 15 ｜ On the Border： What's True & What's Not

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