Ep 15 ｜ On the Border： What's True & What's Not
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Summary
In this episode of Relatable, Allie talks about the immigration crisis at the border, why it s a problem, and what can be done to fix it. Plus, a Skype interview with conservative commentator Candace Owens.
Transcript
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Hey guys, it's Allie. Welcome to CRTV's Relatable, where you can find me every Wednesday giving my
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Christian conservative analysis of relevant cultural and political topics. You can also
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find me at CRTV.com slash Allie, where I have two videos per week offering my commentary.
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I hope that you guys are having a great week. I'm sorry that this is coming to you a little bit
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later today on Wednesday. I'm having some serious technical difficulties.
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I love technology, but I also hate technology. And so that is the reason why this is coming out so
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late today. So I'm sorry. I hope that you guys are having a great week. I got to meet a lot of you
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at YWLS last weekend, and I'm so glad that I did. Y'all are literally my reason for podcasting every
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week. Y'all make everything worth it, even those of you who I have never met before. And I just love
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you. Okay, so we have a full fun episode today that will really be in two parts. The first one
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is going to address everything that's going on with immigration, which seems to be dominating our news
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cycle. A bunch of you guys have been asking me to talk about that. I will tell you the facts about
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what's going on at the border, what each side is saying, and what the possible solutions are. Per
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usual, the media is absolutely idiotic in their portrayal of this. So I'm going to do my best to
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cut through the noise and to give it to you straight while also obviously offering my opinion
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about everything. Then you're going to hear the Skype interview that I had with Turning Point USA's
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Candace Owens. I had never talked to Candace before. And because she's in the news so much,
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I wanted to get to know her, address some criticism that she has faced and kind of just understand what
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her why is, what her goal is in the conservative movement. And then at the end, I will answer
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one really good Bible question that one of you sent me. I think it's a question that we all have
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had some at some point in our lives. So don't miss that. Okay, without further ado, let's get into
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this immigration issue. Ugh. Ugh is what I have to say first. Just ugh. This has been such an ugly
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news cycle. So if you remember a few weeks ago when this article and these photos were circulating on
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Twitter of illegal immigrant kids in what looked like cages at a pound. People were saying, oh,
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the humanity. Oh, this is Trump's America. The only problem was they were pictures in an article from
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2014 when Obama was president. People from the Obama administration had actually retweeted this stuff
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and then they deleted it. Why? Because Trump derangement syndrome is very real. And otherwise,
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probably pretty smart people do very stupid things when they're so blinded by hate that they can't
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even see a date of when an article was published. But it didn't even matter because it sparked so much
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outrage that this was all people could talk about. And as it turns out, there is a problem at the
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border. Kids are being held in centers right now with chain link fences without their parents. And it is
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very sad. What you're hearing from basically every member of the media, even former First Lady Laura
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Bush, is that this is a horrific Trump policy and that under his direction, Border Patrol agents are
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ripping children away from their mothers and that at any moment Trump could stop this. And we can all go
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back to the way things were where the border was safe and illegal immigrant families were together
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and got to stay together happily ever after. So some of that is true, which is exactly what makes it
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such a compelling lie. Families are being separated at the border and Trump could stop this if he wanted
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to and go back to the way things were. The lies are that this is Trump policy to specifically separate
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families and that the way things were before were so much better. So let me break that down. The
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current law qualifies that the first illegal border crossing is a misdemeanor. The second time is a
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felony. Either way, you are breaking the law. This was the case under Obama. It is the case now.
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The difference between Obama and Trump is that Obama decided during his presidency that he was
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not going to enforce the law and Trump and his administration are. Trump and company have
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adopted what they call a no tolerance policy, meaning that if you are an adult crossing the
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border illegally, you will be prosecuted and detained as a criminal. The byproduct of prosecuting
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an adult is separation from their child. In no other circumstance in the United States do you detain
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the child when a parent commits a crime? During Obama's time, if you were an illegal adult that
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was part of a family unit, you basically got a free pass. It was kind of like a speeding ticket or a
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parking ticket. You were given a court date and you may or may not show up. So the law then is the law
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now. But the difference is, again, that Trump is actually enforcing this law and Obama did not,
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at least for part of his presidency. During most of Obama's presidency, this exact same thing was
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happening. But where was the media outrage then? It was at the very most minimal. It was reported on,
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but not like this. I mean, turn on any network that is not Fox News and people are basically in
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hysterics over this, talking about the inhumanity and the cruelty of it all. And I'm not saying that
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some of what they're saying isn't true, but it's really hard to take them seriously when their outrage
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is clearly directed towards Trump, not towards the mistreatment of these kids. If they really cared
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about these kids, they would have always cared about them, even when Obama was doing the same
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thing. I find it very troubling when people let the news cycle dictate their outrage rather than
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simply having principles and values and reacting according to those. Those principles and values
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should not change based on who's in office. Rather, they should be doing that rather than reacting
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according to what is trending on Twitter. We're just hearing so much stupidity and just
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misinformation about this border issue. So let me give you the big five things, the big five things
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that I've taken away from this, and then I'll go on to explaining the rest. Number one, the policy by the
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Trump administration is to prosecute adults who entered the country illegally, a.k.a. not at a legal
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port of entry, a.k.a. break the law. It is the prosecution that results in the separation of parents from
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kids. When you break the law, you run the risk of separating from your family. That is true in all
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situations of law breaking, period. Granted, the Trump administration has been divided on this,
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which is always their problem. They have way too many messengers. Everyone should just shut up and
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let Kirsten Nielsen, who is the Secretary of Homeland Defense, talk. But no matter what, the fact is,
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if you want to avoid separation, enter legally at a port of entry and file for asylum. Number two,
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I do believe it is best for children in most cases to stay with their parents. I am pro-life,
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meaning that I want families to stay together from the womb to the tomb, if humanly possible.
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As long as the parent is their real parent, which is not always the case in these scenarios,
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and as long as the parent is not causing harm to the child, I would like to see a way for them to
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stay together. I also want these kids to be kept in humane environments, treated with dignity,
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with love, with respect. Some of these facilities, it sounds like, are actually really great,
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more like boarding schools. But some I've heard and seen are not. I personally am very uncomfortable
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with the reports of these kids basically having to fend for themselves, nursing babies supposedly
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being separated from their moms. That makes me sick. No matter what your stance is, I think that
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we can agree that the conditions need to be drastically improved in some of these facilities.
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Number three, the solution to all of this is on Congress, not only on Trump. Trump is only
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enforcing the law that Obama, beginning as recently as 2014, decided not to. Congress needs to present
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a legislative fix to this, which Ted Cruz is doing. Whatever legislation is presented needs to allow
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for two things, the continued criminalization of crossing the border illegally and the detention of
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families who cross the border together while they are either awaiting deportation or the approval of
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their asylum claim, which leads to number four. Most Democrats do not want to hear legislative
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solutions to this problem. They're using this to gain moral and political capital. That's the bottom line.
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The proof is in the piece of legislation written by Senator Feinstein and signed by all, signed with,
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you know, given a stamp of approval by all other senators that they're currently proposing is
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absolutely ridiculous. It would basically mean that you cannot separate a child from any prosecuted
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criminal within 100 miles of the border, any part of the U.S. border. If they wanted to actually end
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this, they would propose legislation that's, oh, I don't know, not a complete laughingstock to the rule
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of law. Democrats are not going to pass a solution. They do not want a solution. They want this to last
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as long as humanly possible because they're going to use it as PR for the Democratic Party to lord
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it over Republicans in the midterms. They want immigrants to be able to come in no matter what,
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no questions asked, and they want to paint all Republicans and Donald Trump as evil in the
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meantime. They think that is going to help them. But in my opinion, this is not going to help Democrats
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because once again, they're showing just how crazy they are. Republicans and conservatives are willing
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to come to the table. We've expressed the same concerns they have, and it's like they are not
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listening. They continue to label us as these bigots because we won't jump on the Trump is
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literally Hitler bandwagon. Newsflash, people don't like being categorized as Nazis just because you
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disagree with them. That's exactly what made you guys lose in the first place. It's like y'all can't
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even have a discussion without taking it to the most absurd ad hominem degree. And then guess what?
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No one listens to you anymore. We all care about children. You think I like hearing about the
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Down syndrome girl who was separated from her parents? No, it breaks my heart that she was
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separated. It breaks my heart that she was in this situation in the first place. We all want some kind
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of fix. But until Democrats take about 500,000 chill pills, nothing is going to get done. Plus, I mean,
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it just has to be asked, why do Democrats all of a sudden care about children? The irony has to be
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pointed out that the party who literally celebrates as choice babies being ripped apart by forceps in
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the womb is suddenly torn up about the mistreatment of children. I mean, really? And number five,
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the media, per usual, is not helping. They are making things worse. They have already made up
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their minds. They are making arguments devoid of any fact or reason. And they are labeling everyone
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who doesn't agree with them as bad people. What they've made clear is that you cannot bring
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facts to a feelings fight. Every headline says it is Trump's policy to separate families,
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which is not true. The press listened to the audio of crying children during a press conference.
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Rachel Maddow cried on air. And again, I'm not saying they can't be upset about what's going on.
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I'm upset about what's going on. But forgive all of us if we have a tough time taking this hysteria
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seriously when you had very little to say when the same thing was happening under Obama and when you
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won't even cover the actual facts of what's going on. They are making people completely turn off.
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No one believes you guys in the media anymore. The reason people are taking it as seriously as
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they should is because no one trusts you. It might be as bad as you say, but it doesn't matter because
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you guys have exaggerated everything Trump has done for the last two years. You guys don't have any
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credibility. It's the boy who cried wolf. Everything since 2016 has been the end of the world. And now when
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you actually need people to listen to you, they're not. And here's the truth. There are legal means by
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which you can flee danger in your country and come to the United States. You can go to a port of entry
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and file for asylum. When you do, you are either held in a detention facility or placed on parole.
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If you're able to put up money or have family in the area while you await the verdict of your
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application, you have to prove to the judge that you are indeed fleeing imminent danger. If not,
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you will be deported with your family. If so, your asylum will be granted and you get to stay
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here with your family. But you are not separated from your family or the policy is not to separate
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from the family unless you break the law by crossing illegally or if you are assumed to be a danger
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to your child. So our only options to stop that separation is either A, we stop prosecuting adults
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as criminals for crossing the border or B, we find another way to detain these criminals with their
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families. I advocate for B. I do not think it helps anything or anyone to stop prosecuting people
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who cross into the country illegally. It is a crime. There are legal ways to flee your country
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and sneaking across the border is not one of them. They should be prosecuted, detained with their
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families and either file for asylum or be deported. But in order to keep, in order to be able to keep
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the child with the prosecuted adult, there has to be a law change. There has to be legislation that says
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if you're prosecuted as an illegal immigrant crossing the border, you will stay with your
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family. Democrats, though, really think or say that they think that turning anyone away is mean.
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They think that we should regard every illegal immigrant as a refugee. Actually, they don't
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even believe in using the term illegal when it comes to immigrants. They say that people can't be
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illegal. Do you say the same thing to people who break into your house? It is the breaking in that
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is actually illegal, right? Just as it is the crossing into our country without permission
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that is illegal. I'm sorry if you have a problem with that term, but that's literally just what it
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is. Conservatives, of course, believe in legal immigration, but believe that in order to have
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any sovereignty whatsoever as a nation, we have to have laws and laws by nature must be mandatory
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to be considered laws. They're not meant to be suggestions. And if they are mandatory,
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then there must be consequences to breaking them. So let's go backwards with that logic.
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If people are able to break the law without consequence, then those laws are not laws.
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They are suggestions. If we have no laws, then who are we to say that we are a nation?
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Do you see how that works? In order for a nation to actually exist, it has to have enforceable laws.
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There has to be a consequence for breaking the law and not just any law, but especially immigration
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laws. A country without borders isn't actually a country. It's just a massive land where people come
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and go as they please. How are we supposed to govern a nation in which we have no control over who
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comes in and who doesn't? That is not compassionate. That is completely imprudent. Are we not supposed
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to consider the welfare of our own people? We don't have unlimited resources. You do have to
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consider the cost and it's not mean to do so. This is just a fact of the matter is that the vast
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majority of illegal immigrants in this country are on welfare. That's from research from the Center
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for Immigration Studies. So tax dollars are supporting people who, instead of entering the
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country the right way, ignored the law and are now living here on America's dime. And I think that
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when we think of that, it sounds so selfish. We think of these rich, privileged Americans paying
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a few bucks for the illegal immigrant. But no, that's not reality. We're talking about the middle
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class, the people who are barely getting by. They're the ones who are feeling the weight of
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illegal immigration in this country. Not to mention the crimes that are committed by illegal immigrants.
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Now, this is not to say that all illegal immigrants or even most illegal immigrants come here
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and commit additional crimes. I don't think that's true. But the fact of the matter is the crimes they
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do commit would not have been committed in this country if they were not here. Kate Steinle,
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killed by an illegal immigrant in San Francisco, would still be alive. The dozens of teenagers we've
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heard about killed by the violent gang MS-13, they would still be alive. Drunk drivers who are illegal
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immigrants who are guilty of manslaughter, their victims would still be alive. Look, I am pro-immigrant
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and I am pro-asylum when people truly need asylum. I believe that immigration should be tightly
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controlled, though, that it should be merit-based in order to prove that if you come into this
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country, you will be able to support yourself and contribute. I believe that we should build a wall,
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something I did not used to believe but now really do. Now, there are different kinds of walls.
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A friend of mine shared with me an article about a smart wall, which is really just meant to use all
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technology that we have at our disposal to secure the border rather than an actual physical barrier.
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So maybe if we had a wall, some kind of wall that actually stops people from crossing along the
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southern border, these atrocities wouldn't be happening here or they'd be happening at a much
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lower rate, I guarantee you. If you make it nearly impossible to cross the border illegally,
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you're not going to have women and children risking their lives to do it, which is something we also have
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to consider, the safety of the people who are crossing the border illegally. The Huffington Post
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reported all the way back in 2014 that 80%, 80% of women crossing the border coming from Central
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America are being raped on their journey. 80%. In many of these cases, the so-called families
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that show up aren't actually families, that they use these kids as human shields basically so they
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can get priority for asylum. Those are just two examples of how it's so dangerous for these people
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to make this journey. Smugglers use women and children to get drugs across the border.
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Kirsten Nielsen said that human smuggling cartels are making $500 million a year smuggling these people
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illegally across the border. And the Washington Post fact-checked that and actually said that that
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was a lowball number, that they're actually probably making much more than that. So this is a
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multi-million dollar, probably nearly a billion dollar illegal enterprise happening here,
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this smuggling of people across the border, and we are the bad guys?
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Why don't we talk about these people in other countries who are exploiting children for monetary
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gain? If you go to the FBI government website, you will see their description of violence that
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happens on the Mexican side of the border, the absolutely horrific atrocities being committed
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by people there, not just murder and rape, but torture, unspeakable violence. And where is the
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Mexican government, by the way? Hmm. But we're to blame. But look, there are some things that the
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Trump administration is doing wrong. First of all, like I said earlier, they've got way too many
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people talking. Jeff Sessions, who is the attorney general, Stephen Miller, Kirsten Nielsen. Jeff
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Sessions, as you guys probably saw, quoted Romans 13 about following governing authorities, which,
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you know, I don't particularly love that he did that just because I think it's a cheap use of
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scripture. And it's just not a good argument, because there are obviously some laws that contradict
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God's law, and we are not called to keep those. Think of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who were
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thrown into the fiery furnace for refusing to bow down to the image of Nebuchadnezzar. So even though
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it is true that we're supposed to obey the law, it gets tricky when we use that verse to start
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justifying our lawmaking. Now, I agree with Jeff Sessions that we should honor immigration laws by not
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allowing illegal entry. I just don't think this was a great way to defend those laws. But of course,
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the hilarious part about this is that it has caused many on the left, including MSNBC, to
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suddenly pronounce their love for the Holy Word of God and their theological expertise. I mean, it's
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really incredible, considering that just last week they were protesting Chick-fil-A for once stating
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support for a biblical view of marriage, considering they don't apply the Bible at all to things like
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marriage, sexual promiscuity, or abortion. Now, though, now the Bible is uber important. Now they're
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all experts. Okay, got it. No. How about everyone? Everyone on both sides leave the biblical interpretation
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up to people who actually read the Bible. Okay, does that sound good? Which leads me to the most
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important part of all of this, which is not my opinion. But what does the Bible actually say about
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this? Because Jeff Sessions is partly right. Romans 13 does say to obey governing authorities.
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I agree with him that the law is good. God sets up rules and regulations for his people, Israelites
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and Gentiles that are for our good. But specifically, the Bible has a lot to say about the sojourner or
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the alien among you. Leviticus 19, 33 through 34, Exodus 22, 21, Exodus 23, 9, Malachi 3, 5,
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Deuteronomy 27, 19, kind of went out of order. Okay, Jeremiah 7, 5 through 7. These all discuss
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the importance of kindness and justice for the stranger among you. Then, of course, the story of
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the Good Samaritan in Luke 10 paints this picture of helping someone of a different ethnicity or
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background than you. Matthew 25, 35 says, for I was hungry and you gave me food. I was thirsty and you
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gave me drink. I was a stranger and you welcomed me. But walls, both literal walls and metaphorical walls
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are also depicted throughout the Bible as a means of protection and order. Read Nehemiah and the
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rebuilding of Jerusalem's walls as a metaphor in Proverbs 25, 28. A man without self-control is like
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a city broken into and left without walls. Why is that used as a negative metaphor? Because cities
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without walls are bad. They're unsafe. They're unwise. And now I'm not even using those references to say
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that biblically God says that every country should have walls and that is necessarily the biblical
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justification for building a literal wall. I'm not really saying that. What I am saying in a much
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broader sense is that it is obvious that even with God's heart for the sojourner, he still saw
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necessity in barriers of protection. Based on the Bible, here is how I see it. Number one, in a perfect
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world, we wouldn't need immigration laws. We would not need any borders or barriers, period. But it is a
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fallen world and we do have to be realistic. It is not compassionate for those on the inside or the
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outside coming in to allow everyone who wants to come into the country to come in. We risk both
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people's safety and our country's resources when we do that. Not to mention we cease to be a sovereign
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nation. In fact, the stronger the immigration laws, the better. We have to secure our border so that
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women and children aren't being smuggled over the border and that they're not being incentivized to
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make that dangerous journey to cross the border illegally. We need to build a wall of some sort to secure
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the border. We need a streamlined asylum process where you can show up at a port of entry and be detained
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with your family while you are waiting your claim to be approved or denied. We need merit-based
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immigration. We need it into the visa lottery system. We need an into chain migration. We need
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e-verify. These are the things we need to be pushing our congressmen to pass. We have to make
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sure, number two, we have to make sure that the people who are being detained at the border are being
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treated fairly and kindly. And if possible, that true families are always able to stick together.
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Number three, it is our job to love the immigrant, legal or illegal, once they are here. If you have
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an illegal immigrant next door, for example, the loving thing to do is to serve them, to build a
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relationship with them and help them figure out what they can do to be here legally and contribute
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to society. Now, maybe some of you would disagree with me on that, but I just don't think the Christ-like
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thing to do in that situation is to report them to ICE. I just don't. They're here. Love them.
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I also think we can pray for them, pray for the corrupt leaders in these countries. Maybe we can
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look for ways to actually help those people where they are in Central America and Mexico,
00:23:05.180
rather than just bringing them here. It doesn't necessarily always make their life exponentially
00:23:10.440
better. I think we can pray for the people that are being smuggled, pray for the children,
00:23:16.500
pray for even the smugglers that they would know Christ. Remember, we live in an imperfect,
00:23:22.780
broken world in which corrupt countries cause their people to flee. It will continue to be
00:23:28.260
like this until Jesus comes back. Until then, we have to employ both wisdom and love in enacting
00:23:33.860
laws that protect people in this country, while also showing compassion in our own lives for those
00:23:38.620
who are running from danger. It is not easy. This is not simple. I'm not saying that I have perfect
00:23:44.760
answers or the perfect interpretation of scripture, but we have to come together. We have to find a
00:23:49.760
balance and we have to do something to fix this issue. Okay, that is it on immigration for now.
00:23:57.160
There was a lot to cover, a lot to say. Now I want to move on to my interview with Candace Owens,
00:24:01.600
which has nothing at all to do with immigration. So Candace works for Turning Point USA. She was
00:24:07.300
once a YouTuber by the name of Red Pill Black. She used to be a liberal. She now is what she really
00:24:13.220
just describes as a free thinker. She's had a following for a while, but she really blew up
00:24:18.980
when Kanye West tweeted a couple months ago. I love the way Candace Owens thinks. Most of you
00:24:23.180
probably saw that. Now she's literally everywhere. And with that kind of thing comes a lot of
00:24:29.960
controversy, almost always. Candace is no stranger to controversy. Before she was Red Pill Black, she had
00:24:36.660
a site called Social Autopsy that revealed the information and social media history of people accused
00:24:41.780
of cyberbullying, which a lot of people didn't and still don't like. She was actually a victim of a
00:24:46.600
hate crime in high school. It's a really awful story, which is what kind of led her down the path
00:24:52.200
of advocating for people who were getting bullied. She doesn't have that site anymore, obviously,
00:24:57.060
but a lot of people still talk about it. You might have heard about some comments that she made
00:25:02.100
about Me Too that people didn't like. Also, she recently did a video about suicide that people were
00:25:07.740
talking about that they didn't like. And depending on your own opinions, you might just think that
00:25:13.120
that kind of criticism comes with the territory when you're so popular, or maybe you think it's
00:25:17.580
all legitimate. I'm going to let you make up your own mind on that. She is a very articulate person,
00:25:22.960
very poised, who makes a lot of good points. In this interview, I just wanted to get to know her,
00:25:29.540
to ask her some questions that I know other people have been asking.
00:25:32.340
I honestly wish I'd asked her more. Honestly, I think I said honestly twice in that sentence. Sorry.
00:25:39.220
I wish I had pressed her on a few more questions, not to be mean or anything, but just because I think
00:25:45.740
that we could have had an even better discussion if we had fleshed out our disagreements. And if I
00:25:50.000
had voiced a little bit more where I diverge from her takes on things, because I do diverge on quite a
00:25:55.540
few topics from her. But hopefully we can have her back because I enjoy talking to her. Anyway, here you go.
00:26:01.620
Candice, thank you so much for being here. I am so excited to interview you because I've never
00:26:10.200
actually had a conversation with you, which is crazy because I feel like you've crossed paths so
00:26:15.400
many times. But so I just want to ask you kind of who you are, where you come from. And my first
00:26:22.660
question that I have is, are you a conservative? Would you classify yourself as that?
00:26:28.080
Yeah. So I like to say I'm more of a fighter for freedom. And if you believe in free ideas,
00:26:34.180
then you it's naturally a conservative position. Say there is no home for free ideas on the left.
00:26:39.160
So, you know, I try to be careful because then people say, oh, this could be libertarian. This
00:26:43.540
could be conservative. My whole thing is I want to be Candace Owens and I want to be Candace Owens
00:26:47.720
without because I don't want to have to assign a bunch of beliefs to my skin color, to my sex. I just
00:26:53.040
want to have my own ideas. And that's a conservative position today. Yeah. So what would you say that
00:26:58.460
you are conservative on? Like what were the issues that you were like, okay, that's it. I am a
00:27:04.740
conservative on those particular issues. I'm decidedly pro-life. I, let's just go through
00:27:12.600
them. What are like the typical conservative? What are the big ones that everyone's always talking
00:27:16.280
about? Pro-life? Yeah. I mean, I would say, you know, free market, capitalism, strong
00:27:22.280
holders. I would say we're a turning point USA. It's all we talk about. We hit these campuses and
00:27:25.920
we're talking about free markets, especially in terms of how it fixes the black community,
00:27:29.540
which I'm the most vocal about. Obviously, I think that we've gotten ourselves in a rut
00:27:33.480
and a lot of it is due to all of these, you know, social welfare programs that have not been helping us
00:27:39.280
whatsoever. What are the other big ones? I'm like blanking on all the, what are you conservative
00:27:44.360
about the question? Are there, are there any that you're kind of like, because you talk
00:27:49.140
gay marriage. I'm not against that for a lot of reasons. Um, the biggest one just being that I
00:27:55.460
don't think marriage should ever have been a government issue, but because it is, I think
00:27:58.960
everyone has the right to get the same tax breaks because they're married. So since it has, um, it
00:28:04.100
should have probably stayed in the church. Now it's in the government and because it's in the
00:28:07.060
government, I think it's, it's fair to say that, um, gay people deserve the exact same tax breaks
00:28:11.560
because everybody else, um, I had tons of cousins that are gay. I've been to gay weddings.
00:28:15.340
Um, obviously, you know, I'm very close to Dave Rubin. Uh, but yeah. Yeah. So you're more like,
00:28:20.380
you're more like libertarian on that, which I think a lot of conservatives probably are.
00:28:24.520
Was there a moment that, cause you said that you're, you know, you're very pro-life. Was there a moment
00:28:29.220
that you realized, wow, the things that I believe in actually aren't represented by the left?
00:28:36.160
Yeah. So I just thought I was a liberal. Like there was no reason. It sounds so stupid to say this,
00:28:40.960
but I always call it like a sleepy liberal. Like I just assumed that if you were pro-freedom,
00:28:45.740
I had this idea that being a Republican or being conservative was racist. That's just the truth.
00:28:51.560
And it's a system of a doctor. Is it because you grew up that way? Like are your, are your parents
00:28:54.960
progressive? Yes. Yes. Um, especially my mom, my dad has actually voted Republican in his life. He is a,
00:29:01.040
you know, he, I would say he's more of a lifelong Democrat. Um, but he has voted a Republican in his
00:29:05.780
life. Uh, my grandparents were Democrats, um, in our Democrats, my grandmother's dead,
00:29:11.180
but my grandfather is alive. Uh, so I just sort of thought because of the, I guess the education
00:29:17.220
system, because of the way that my history was taught to me, uh, black history is taught in the
00:29:21.540
school system that every time blacks have had freedom in America, it was given to us by the
00:29:25.480
Democratic party. Um, and that's, that's what's being taught. I mean, that's just quite literally
00:29:29.060
the right answer to the test. We learned about the Southern strategy and that the Republican
00:29:33.400
Democratic party switch that's false. But if you're in a public school education, when are you
00:29:37.760
actually going to learn that all of that is false? You know? Um, so when I actually started paying
00:29:42.320
attention to politics, which was, um, you know, just a couple of years ago, I started realizing that
00:29:48.720
everything was sort of taught to me the wrong way. And I felt extremely, uh, lied to and duped and it
00:29:56.360
became, it was like a fire inside of me. Like I was like, I need to inject different voice into the
00:30:01.440
dialogue with the black community because no one's doing it in a disruptive enough manner,
00:30:06.320
I guess. So what made you wake up and realize that? Cause you, I've read your stuff from the
00:30:11.460
past. We all change our mind, but I mean, you've always been, and you've said this before, you've
00:30:15.320
always been very smart. So you say that you're a sleepy little, but I know, I know that, you know,
00:30:21.000
you, you knew your stuff and you knew what you were talking about. So, you know, at what point
00:30:27.080
where you're like, Oh shoot, I, you know, I just, I don't believe this stuff anymore.
00:30:32.600
Well, I was book smart. I wasn't thinking critically. I had remembered the answers,
00:30:37.080
you know, uh, for the test. So I I've always done really good in school in that regard.
00:30:42.480
Uh, but I had no practical life experience and I was so burdened by debt. Like I left school with
00:30:49.660
a hundred thousand dollars plus in student loan debt. Um, don't have parents that could provide for me
00:30:53.760
financially, had to figure out my life. I was sleeping on my girlfriend's couch when I didn't
00:30:58.500
get my degree in college because my loan got declined my senior year. The last thing anybody
00:31:02.380
cares about when they're burdened by problems is, uh, politics. Even though if you really think about
00:31:07.680
it, everything is political. The reason why you have these problems are political. You can say the
00:31:11.920
same for the black community. You have people that are on welfare trying to feed their children. You
00:31:15.840
think they want to stop and debate political arguments. So I understand how I got brainwashed.
00:31:20.380
Here's your free education where we're just going to brainwash you. And now you have a bunch of
00:31:24.200
problems, sort them out. It's hard to take a step back and say, wait a second, I'd like to pay
00:31:28.500
attention to politics and understand how I got into this position in the first place.
00:31:32.220
And what was, I know you said it's not a specific moment. I don't have a specific moment when I became
00:31:37.420
a conservative either, but you talk about that kind of just like waking up to where you realized that
00:31:42.780
you had been believing all of these things that, you know, don't truly align with who you actually are.
00:31:47.040
What was that? Was it like you were watching the news or did you read a book? How did you,
00:31:54.100
So I did like a really long form interview, which you should watch, uh, on the Reuben Report where I
00:31:58.340
talk about, um, I was working on a project and it's a crazy story, but it sort of led me to
00:32:03.900
understand that Twitter was operating some troll accounts during, um, president Trump's, uh, during
00:32:09.340
Trump's campaign for the white house. And that those troll accounts would be run by females that were
00:32:15.340
liberal who were pretending to be Trump supporters and calling other people racial slurs, threatening
00:32:21.180
to rape women. And then people would run away with that narrative that Trump supporters are racist
00:32:24.900
and sexist. So that was the big aha moment at the same time watching Donald Trump, you know, run for
00:32:30.520
the white house. And, um, if you remember during that election cycle, this is a man who everybody
00:32:35.660
loved prior to him announcing that he was running for president, uh, coming from a world that I grew up
00:32:40.800
on hip hop. It was Mar-a-Lago, this Mar-a-Lago that, you know, that was goal. You know, he was
00:32:45.860
winning civil rights awards. Um, and then all of a sudden he runs president and they're like,
00:32:51.060
nope, nevermind. He's racist. And I'm smart enough to know, but you can't just suddenly tell me to
00:32:55.120
love him and then hate him. All the people that were celebrating him like Snoop Dogg, right? If you
00:32:58.680
remember Snoop Dogg was a part of, uh, the Donald Trump roast when he, uh, had that on, I don't remember
00:33:03.280
which network it was suddenly saying, you know, he's a racist, stay away from him. So it just felt
00:33:07.740
really inauthentic to me. And I think if there's one thing that people remember me as for my entire
00:33:12.400
life, my school life, my college life, my work life, I'm extremely authentic. And I don't like
00:33:17.060
when people try to insert ideas in my head. And I just said, he's on the truth. This is fake news.
00:33:22.380
And I started to realize that racism was a theme that was just meant to keep black people as single
00:33:26.840
issue voters. So I wasn't active politically at all. Like, you know, I didn't vote. I just thought,
00:33:31.720
assumed I was a liberal and I was Democrat because I was black. Yeah. But it's just the truth.
00:33:36.300
Yeah. It was just, so it was like that, that Twitter thing, which is absolutely crazy by the
00:33:40.880
way. And then it was kind of seeing the hypocrisy about Donald Trump. And so that was, you would
00:33:46.080
say kind of like the gateway into, wow, this issue, this issue, this issue. Um, are you a person of
00:33:53.660
faith? Like did that ever affect your political views? It's so interesting because, so I grew up in a
00:33:59.400
very Christian home. Like my grandfather, we had to read, uh, prayers every single morning and answer
00:34:04.760
questions like around the breakfast table. Like my grandpa's like super Southern, very Christian.
00:34:09.960
Yeah. And I, I rebelled against that in my middle years, you know, and, but that's when things were
00:34:15.660
really bad for me. I had a really hard time from the time that I was, I would say 16 to 21. I was not
00:34:21.540
happy. I was, I was a mean person because I was an unhappy person as I sort of became, that came more
00:34:28.200
and more into my own. As I started to think about what I wanted out of life, as I became more mature and
00:34:32.400
more secure and increasingly more conservative, it just brought me back to a place of spiritualism
00:34:38.060
in a very bizarre way. I got very sick at the end of 2016. Um, for six months I was bedridden.
00:34:44.000
I'm going to talk a little bit about that at the YWS thing tomorrow, I think. Um, but that was really
00:34:48.280
time where I thought I was going to lose everything. I, my entire face was, uh, you know, completely lost.
00:34:53.180
I couldn't think. And when, you know, when God wants to bring you to your knees, he will. And it just,
00:34:59.640
it changed my life. I started like re it really humbled me. I think first and foremost is most
00:35:04.700
people, when they meet me, are really surprised by like how nice I am. And I always wonder if he
00:35:09.140
did that before he wanted me to do this. If he had to bring me to my knees and make me realize how
00:35:14.320
easy it all could be gone, um, in order to give me the platform that I have to become a lot of
00:35:25.200
personalities. Um, but that to me just brought me a lot closer to spiritualism. And then of course,
00:35:30.260
you know, Charlie is an evangelical Christian, so it's hard not to be spiritual around him.
00:35:34.020
Like when people do bad things to Charlie Kirk, he'll literally be like, I'm going to pray for
00:35:37.760
them. And it just makes me go like, I need to be that person. Like, you know, like that is like
00:35:42.700
the kindest, like someone can do something terrible to him. You know, just be like, you know what,
00:35:47.100
I'm going to, I'll be back. I'm going to go pray for them. Like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
00:35:50.620
one thing I have noticed about Charlie is that he's a really good peacemaker. Like he's really
00:35:55.620
good at making amends with people. And I do think that that says a lot about you. So are you,
00:36:00.780
you said spiritualism, are you, are you, would you call yourself a Christian?
00:36:05.600
Well, I think for some, my spiritual path, if you will, started with yoga. Um, I got really into
00:36:11.500
meditation, really into yoga. Um, and, and that's like not necessarily saying God, but just
00:36:17.540
acknowledging like spirit guides, if you will, if there are, that there's more to you and that you
00:36:21.820
can really focus on something. Meditation is, is prayer. Right. Um, and I just, it sort of cleared
00:36:27.380
my mind and, you know, I was like, I don't need to assign this to a God, but I just need to speak
00:36:32.360
to the universe in a way and find my center. Um, you know, I didn't want to be seen during those six
00:36:37.380
months. I, I, I know that sounds really vain, but it really, I didn't, I, nobody saw me, not even
00:36:42.820
only my cousin was the only person that I allowed to see me. Um, but I would go to yoga and, you know,
00:36:47.700
just pray that this thing would be wiped off from my face and my body. And, um, but you know,
00:36:54.860
increasingly, I guess I, I'm not a practicing Christian. I was raised Christian. And so the,
00:36:59.700
the, for me, it's very easy. It's just, you know, my family talks about God all the time. Um, and I'm,
00:37:05.420
I am Christian. Uh, but you know, I, I, I just say I'm spiritual and I, I know that there's somebody
00:37:11.340
that is moving the world because the things that have happened to me, the blessings that
00:37:15.700
I've had, um, and the curses that were ultimately in the end, realizing they were blessings, like
00:37:21.200
losing everything, losing my hair, my face. And, um, that's because God, I don't know,
00:37:28.140
What do you see as your, your biggest role in the conservative movement or even the, the
00:37:34.920
black conservative movement, if you want to make that distinction? Um, I know you talk about
00:37:38.740
that a lot. So what's the specific role that you see yourself playing?
00:37:43.980
I feel like I need to free them. Like, I feel like our minds have been enslaved. My mind was
00:37:49.620
enslaved and I know how blessed I feel right now to be free. Like I didn't know that I was enslaved.
00:37:55.760
So the journey is hard because they don't even know that they are enslaved right now. They don't
00:37:59.960
even know, um, how nefarious and how calculated it was. And, um, for us to believe that we were free
00:38:06.760
when in fact we, we aren't free whatsoever. We're in a place where we've become, as I always say,
00:38:12.120
ideological slaves. Um, we have been pulling the weight for a democratic party and they've given
00:38:16.540
us nothing in return. So I see my biggest goal in being a punch in the face. And I always say
00:38:20.860
a punch in the face, like, obviously, you know, I'm much more like blunt. And, uh, I think people
00:38:24.740
that read my Twitter, you're like, how can you just say, like, say it like that? But the truth is,
00:38:28.760
is that it wasn't working the other way. You know, we've had the people that have done it the right
00:38:32.640
way. Condoleezza Rice. She's amazing. Right. One of the smartest women in the world, if we're
00:38:37.160
being honest, the first black woman to get into Augusta, the first black person to get into Augusta.
00:38:41.640
We've had Dr. Ben Carson and I was blessed to meet him and to speak to him and really,
00:38:46.280
you know, connect and he gets what I'm doing. Um, it just, it didn't work. And it's because
00:38:51.680
someone had to have the sass and the swag, if you will, to say, I'll, I'll, I'll talk trash.
00:38:57.780
You want to talk trash? I'll talk trash right back to you. You know, I'm not afraid of this.
00:39:01.200
Um, because everyone else has a white, they, you're white. Dr. McCarson's white. Condoleezza
00:39:06.380
Rice, she's white. Um, even though those, their stories are literally from nothing all the way to
00:39:11.200
the top. And you would think that we would be admiring that, but instead we're admiring LeBron
00:39:15.220
James. Right. Right. So you feel like they're, even though their accomplishments are great,
00:39:21.640
their way of actually trying to win black people over to conservatism hasn't really worked. So what
00:39:26.380
would you, you said that your tactic is a punch in the face. Yeah. What is, what is that really,
00:39:30.760
what does that mean? So let's start from the beginning. I started on YouTube, right? I was
00:39:34.500
making YouTube videos and I understood, okay, I'm black. What is black culture? We love humor.
00:39:39.480
We, that's the quickest way to get black people to pay attention to use is to use humor. I am
00:39:44.180
like my family. We are the funniest people in the entire world. I said, I might be a little biased.
00:39:49.500
I think I have the funniest family in the entire world. So I grew up like we make fun of each other.
00:39:53.500
That's how we show love. Right. So I wanted to make the videos feel like that. I wanted to be
00:39:57.620
funny and quirky and do voices and just be myself really. And, but packing a lesson here and I knew
00:40:03.100
it would get under their skin, but I knew that they would want to engage in it because I know
00:40:06.320
that in my family, making fun of somebody and getting under the skin is what, you know,
00:40:10.360
it's how we get into our arguments and our, and our little fights. So that's how I started. I just
00:40:14.980
wanted to make videos. You know, sometimes I would just rant like that first video that got 80
00:40:19.140
million views. I was just like, really? I was talking about KKK his whole life growing up. So I
00:40:29.220
like, no, like the fact that black people today believe that we are living in a worse time than
00:40:34.060
our grandparents is an insult. It's an insult to everything that they went through and everything
00:40:37.220
that they fought for. We're spoiled. We're spoiled rotten, you know? Um, so yeah, I guess that was sort
00:40:42.940
of my style and approach was more lighthearted and people, I think initially thought I was really
00:40:47.580
stupid. No, she's making these cute, she's a cute girl making videos. And this was, this was
00:40:52.500
strategic where we live in this generation. You're, you're a millennial. I'm a millennial
00:40:56.960
quickest attention span ever. The videos had to be fast. They had to be, um, a splash because
00:41:03.280
otherwise, but would just not watch. So if they like Dr. Thomas soul, he's absolutely brilliant,
00:41:07.960
but are they going to watch a two hour lecture of Dr. Thomas soul? Are they going to watch this
00:41:11.800
girl that's in your face doing camera tricks and, and going, you know, and pissing you off a little
00:41:17.160
bit? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it definitely grabs your attention. I remember your first video. I remember
00:41:21.340
when the first one went viral and my mom was like, do you know what this is? I know, but I'm sure I
00:41:26.560
will. Um, so yeah, I love that. That's great. Um, so you've probably learned a lot from the first
00:41:33.040
time that you were like started waking up to these conservative ideas and realizing that you aligned
00:41:37.620
with them to now. Are there, are there any sources of information or books that you've read that have
00:41:44.420
majorly influenced you over the past couple of years? Um, so I read Dr. Thomas soul, like
00:41:50.000
religiously I'm reading right now, uh, race and intellectuals. I think that's his new book and
00:41:54.600
someone gifted it to me. Um, so that's what I'm reading right now. Um, Walter E Williams, amazing
00:41:59.280
to read, to really understand. Um, yeah, I, I just, I watched a lot of their videos and interviews.
00:42:05.240
Like I'm, I say my biggest source of inspiration is Dr. Thomas soul. He, he has so many books out and
00:42:11.060
you could be reading him. I could be reading him for the next five years, which is great. Um, but
00:42:14.520
he's issues. So what I like to do is, is read from them, understand the points and then redeliver
00:42:20.620
them in a way that makes sense. And that's not to dumb it down. It's just to make it more
00:42:24.400
conversational and colloquial. And you know what Donald Trump is tremendous at, right? He doesn't
00:42:29.040
get up there and speak above people said he's talking to them, like he's their next door neighbor and,
00:42:32.900
you know, moving his hands and saying, you know, these ridiculous sentences to some people,
00:42:38.820
but it's, it's feels more real. It feels more authentic, but it's something that people can
00:42:43.360
understand and relate to. And that's what I'm always trying to demonstrate. Yes. Sometimes
00:42:47.500
I think we probably disagree just a little bit on the rhetoric, which is totally fine.
00:42:51.200
I'm not the biggest fan of his rhetoric. I think he does a lot of things. Well,
00:42:55.940
that particular thing, I think he could work on. What do you say? You have a lot of critics,
00:43:01.260
but my dad used to say the farther you climb up the ladder, the more your butt is exposed.
00:43:05.660
Um, which is true for you. You like that expression. Yes. You should, you should use
00:43:10.340
it. Yes. Yes. You can use it free of charge. Um, but you would, you were already someone obviously
00:43:17.080
before Kanye West tweeted you, then he did. And it like blew up exponentially. It seems like,
00:43:23.100
what do you say to all of the people who criticize you say that you're fake, that you're a fraud,
00:43:28.760
that you're really just a liberal, that you're a token that, you know, turning point is just using,
00:43:32.800
you know, what do you say to all that? I don't say anything. People are entirely thrown opinions.
00:43:37.020
If I woke up every day and I was worried about people's opinions, I wouldn't be able to get out
00:43:39.980
of bed. I mean, you do punch back at people. You do, you don't stop me. You know, you defend
00:43:46.640
yourself. I do. And, and, and, but even that is strategy. It's an art form, right? So I will,
00:43:51.660
I will pluck the person because I get these comments all day, but I'll wait. Right. So for a while,
00:43:55.440
you may have seen the last two weeks, I had the Ellen show producers like attacking me on
00:43:59.580
Twitter after every tweet. It was very bizarre. I said, let me wait. I'm going to, I'm going to
00:44:02.960
wait and let them keep doing this. And then I'm going to call them all out at once to show you
00:44:06.100
how hypocritical the left is. This is just the Ellen show is about love. At the end of every show,
00:44:10.600
she says, be nicer. Her two executive producers have been tweeting, calling me stupid, calling me
00:44:16.960
this, calling me that. And I said, okay, this is a perfect moment just to, as a piece of art,
00:44:21.000
show people, am I offended that they call me stupid? No, I'm a tough girl. I've lived through a lot of
00:44:24.880
stuff. I have sisters first off, and I'll tell you, nobody says anything worse to me than my
00:44:29.340
sisters in a group chat. Like we are constantly insulting each other, you know? Um, and that's
00:44:33.320
just a sport of being sisters, but I do want to demonstrate to the world, the hypocrisy of the
00:44:37.760
left, the things that they say to CJ Pearson, who was like 15 years old. Uh, so I punched back, um,
00:44:44.460
but I punched back strategically and it's a demonstration to show people what my ultimate
00:44:49.660
message is, which is that you've been duped. You've been lied to people that pretend that they're the nice
00:44:53.380
people that they have the moral high ground are the nastiest people that I've encountered in my entire
00:44:58.400
life. Right. Right. So you don't have, you don't really care when people talk about like,
00:45:03.000
you know, people talk about social autopsy, being like a doxing site and all of that and say, you
00:45:07.280
know, that's so progressive and so far left. And how could you be a conservative now? That doesn't
00:45:12.340
bother you? No, not at all. Because it wasn't, it wasn't political. It was a non-political thing that
00:45:17.000
was supposed to help high schoolers being bullied because I went through a situation in high school
00:45:20.540
where three kids were arrested for sending messages. And what people want to want to politicize
00:45:25.400
that could not care less. I'm not even kidding. Yeah. Um, okay. One last question. Cause I know
00:45:32.280
you have to go. There's obviously been some conflict, but you know, you're no, you're no
00:45:37.960
stranger to conflict. There's been some conflict around recent comments about me too. Um, and a lot
00:45:43.200
of people feel that you, uh, you were basically calling victims of me too weak and inconsequential
00:45:50.000
for stepping forward. Is that, is that what you meant to say? Or is it more about me too?
00:45:56.080
I said, I said me too. So I don't even understand how they could have possibly built that
00:45:59.800
trauma and argument. I did not say sexual assault victims. I said, the me too movement
00:46:04.000
is this. And, um, you know, Condoleezza Rice said it before me and no one cared because she's
00:46:10.940
older and she has a little more sophistication than to tweet it. And I could have learned that
00:46:15.820
lesson. And I did this sign that if I, if I want to talk about something bigger, do it long form,
00:46:20.600
don't do it in a series of tweets because then people will nitpick. Um, but look, I, I meant
00:46:25.000
what I said. I think I've been ideologically consistent from the beginning. I've come out
00:46:28.840
and I said that I don't support black lives matters. Does that mean, does that mean I don't
00:46:31.820
support black people? No, I came out and I said, I don't support March for our lives. Does that mean
00:46:35.700
that I want kids to be shot in school? No, I'm coming out and I'm saying that I don't support
00:46:39.900
the me too movement. And I find it to be problematic because I mean that I don't support
00:46:43.020
rape, you know, rape survivors. No, absolutely not. I'm saying that a lot of these movements
00:46:47.160
that are rooted in victimhood, right? Um, initially they inspire people that feel like they finally
00:46:51.840
have a voice black lives matter. So many of my cousins even said, this is great. Like
00:46:56.800
I've been pulled over by cops so many times. And I know that it was because I was black and
00:47:00.600
they saw themselves in a movement, but eventually black lives matter movement got hijacked and
00:47:04.640
people started realizing that they could assassinate careers that they could, that they could
00:47:08.600
have an upper hand and it no longer became productive. And it created a separation between
00:47:12.520
white people and black people. Similarly, you can say for March for our lives, it became,
00:47:16.500
you know, initially these high schoolers felt like they had a voice and that they could say
00:47:20.440
how they felt and that they were scared. It got hijacked and it created division against
00:47:23.820
people that are pro 2A, but that I support and know and love and people that want strict
00:47:28.200
gun control. And then you could say for the me too movement, same thing. Victims saw themselves
00:47:33.580
in this movement. Uh, great. It's good that they, that they felt inspired to have a voice.
00:47:37.900
And now I believe that it's been hijacked and it's become a means to take down people. And
00:47:41.800
look, I speak out against this because God forbid, you know, with all the work that training
00:47:45.380
points do and you've been to our conferences, you see how big we're getting. God forbid they
00:47:49.040
try to go after all the men on our team by, by, with allegations. Like, and, uh, Gail King
00:47:53.880
said it's, it's getting rid of due process. It's enough to end somebody's career with an
00:47:58.220
allegation. Morgan freedom, Freeman, they're already talking about reversing his accolades and
00:48:02.500
they have, they haven't even, you know, they said he made a comment and one girl said that
00:48:06.280
he, he potentially, I don't know. I don't really know the details of me. She said he
00:48:09.660
potentially, she, she tried to touch her. Um, and that's enough to reverse his entire
00:48:14.580
life's work. Cause that doesn't really seem fair. And look, Ali, you're, you and I are
00:48:18.820
about the same age. I think about all the time that we're probably going to have kids,
00:48:22.280
right? Like we could potentially be having kids in the next seven years. What if we have
00:48:26.200
a little boy, right? Is this the world that we want to create? Is it that, that this
00:48:30.860
becomes the world that they live in, that if they say something that is flirtatious,
00:48:35.020
it could potentially be misconstrued. And now they're in the same category as Harvey
00:48:38.580
Weinstein, who is a monster, Bill Cosby, who is a monster. And I would never defend the
00:48:43.520
lines have been blurred. And until we start speaking out and saying, no, that's not a
00:48:47.300
part of this woman, but this is, um, it's, it's going to create a world that's impossible
00:48:52.420
And I think that's the distinction is being able to say, here's the good part about me too,
00:48:57.220
that women are coming forward and they do have a voice. I have a lot of
00:49:00.840
criticism about me too. One, I just made an entire PragerU video on toxic masculinity. So
00:49:06.740
you don't even have to get me started on that. And I have problems with me too, primarily as a
00:49:10.800
Christian, because it doesn't offer any hope. Um, it doesn't offer the gospel, which I think is
00:49:15.700
the answer to all sin and the answer to all desperation at the end of the day. So I do have
00:49:20.880
a problem with me too. Um, but I also, and it's such a hard balance to strike. I also don't want
00:49:26.900
people who want to come forward and who feel protected by me too. Like, Oh, well now they
00:49:32.720
can't because, you know, someone's going to call them weak or, you know, they're just,
00:49:37.940
they're weak. I, I, what I'm calling are these movements. So black lives are like, I, my heart
00:49:42.940
goes out to black people who feel that they've been, you know, met, you know, miss unfairly
00:49:48.120
treated by police officers and they get pulled over. It's not what that movement is about anymore.
00:49:52.380
It's about creating a war between black people and white people. Right. So when Condoleezza
00:49:56.780
Rice, I were talking about the trappings of me too, and she used a stronger word. She said,
00:50:00.300
you know, let's not turn women into snowflakes. She said, and I could see why that could be
00:50:05.260
offensive, but try to really look at what we're talking about. A lot of these movements that are
00:50:09.300
rooted in victimhood get hijacked and we have to be careful with that stuff. We have to be careful
00:50:14.320
because then you're just re victimizing the victim. And I find that they use victims and I don't
00:50:19.840
like it. So I'm actually defending victims at the highest regard because I'm saying that what you
00:50:24.260
went through and allow people to say, Oh, after 20 years, I fell out of amnesia. And I do remember
00:50:34.120
that Donald Trump did try to hit on me a lot. We've seen this and it becomes a part of the hashtag me
00:50:38.660
too. Right. So that actually cheapens what you live through. Like we had a girl give a speech today
00:50:42.680
about her rate and that's an incredible, powerful story, but it doesn't need a hashtag. What you live
00:50:47.480
through is so important that I hope you find your voice. I hope you find your strength.
00:50:51.980
And when it gets blurred in with the girl who from 20 years ago, a lot of amnesia recently and
00:50:56.800
remembers that Donald Trump down her in a lobby, it's messy. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What is your vision
00:51:04.400
and goal for the next five years? And then I'll let you know this question, because I feel like it
00:51:08.560
shapes, it shapes so much. I'm not a politician. I really, it's ironic that I'm even in politics
00:51:15.520
because I actually hate politics, right? I talk about how much I hate all of this stuff
00:51:19.500
and everything is politicized. But, um, I, I just want to call it cause like inspire revolution.
00:51:25.200
I want to be a part of people freeing their minds. Every time I get on stage, the message that I give
00:51:29.300
to everyone is you are a powerful person. Don't be a fan of me, be a fan of yourself. And if you let
00:51:35.380
society continue, continue to tell you why you can't, which I feel that we've done so much
00:51:39.600
like self-confidence is, is almost considered a bad trait nowadays. You know, they use words like
00:51:44.900
selfish and they mean it in a bad way. Um, believe in yourself, like believe that you can do it.
00:51:49.860
I totally disagree. I actually really disagree with you on that. I feel like people love themselves
00:51:55.680
way too much and that we make everything about us. And that is what makes us, I think that that is
00:52:02.600
what holds us back as not just conservatives, but making a difference in general. If you're only in
00:52:07.960
the, not you, but in general, if your only goal is fame and the only goal is yourself and the only goal
00:52:13.520
is making a name for yourself and making yourself bigger, your flame is going to be out like that.
00:52:17.820
You've got to attach yourself. Not you, not you, not you. I'm talking about in general,
00:52:22.920
like your message. Like, I feel like I always tell people, no, don't believe in yourself.
00:52:27.800
Believe in something bigger than yourself. No. Okay. This is interesting. We should do something
00:52:32.100
on this. I actually, I like this. Um, I like this debate. So I think that from the second that you're
00:52:37.560
socialized as a child, you're told what you can't do and what you're bad at. You're bad at math.
00:52:41.900
You're bad at reading. Oh, you got to get better at dance. You got to get better at gym.
00:52:45.720
And the most confident people in the world are children who haven't been socialized yet. Yeah.
00:52:49.760
Go find a three-year-old on the playground, go find a child. They think they can fly. They
00:52:53.800
literally don't understand gravity. They think they can, and they're the happiest people in the entire
00:52:57.620
world. And then when you go, you find a 13 year olds, it's all gone. Like, like the, the fire and
00:53:02.860
the belief in themselves is all gone. And I think that that makes it really easy for people to be
00:53:07.120
controlled. And, and people that are very self-confident actually tend to go very far in
00:53:12.120
life. And I'm not talking about this, self-confident and narcissistic. And I think what you're hitting
00:53:16.660
on is the culture of narcissism. Like I feel like when I'm doing my Instagram thing, I, I'm so aware
00:53:21.940
of how lame it is that I'm like holding a phone and being like, I'll be on Fox in five minutes.
00:53:27.180
And that that's the culture that we breed. And I hate, I do hate for narcissism of it all.
00:53:31.120
Instagram is really hard for me. I think it's good for girls that like to show their bodies and,
00:53:35.600
you know, have a beauty project, but I like Twitter because it's just intellectual.
00:53:40.780
But I think that there's a difference between self-confidence and narcissism and narcissism
00:53:45.480
is a culture that social media often produces. Self-confidence is the key to the world.
00:53:51.960
So that's your goal and message for the next five years, you would say that's the revolution
00:53:56.580
Yeah. And we're launching it and we're going to launch just a revolutionary idea and concept
00:54:02.240
and a book that I've been working on. And you've got two minus a T minus eight weeks
00:54:07.780
out and we've been working so hard. So I hope it goes well.
00:54:14.760
No, but I promise in the first week that I announced it, I will do an interview with you.
00:54:19.800
We should like crazy and nuts and wanting to interview, but I will totally do this. I love
00:54:23.600
you. I love what you're doing. Congratulations.
00:54:25.460
So that's that. Let me know what you think about it. Send me an email or a message. And
00:54:29.380
I told you all I would answer a couple of your Bible questions. Once again, I got a million
00:54:34.540
questions and they were all really good, but I only have time for one. And this is it. This
00:54:40.500
is from Jenna. So she says, my friend was murdered recently. And I don't think that was God's plan
00:54:47.100
for her life, right? Because sin entered the world. She was murdered. But why didn't he make
00:54:51.960
his perfect plan for her work and help that not to happen? So this is a very good, very hard,
00:54:57.980
but also I think a very common question because it's basically this, would a good God let or cause
00:55:05.260
bad things to happen? And the very uncomfortable answer is yes. In this fallen world. Yes. But first
00:55:13.820
I do want to say how terribly sorry I am that that happened. Know that God is near to the brokenhearted,
00:55:20.360
that he binds their wounds. He brings beauty out of ashes. He makes good come from evil. He does have a
00:55:26.120
plan for all things and he is close to you. And I'm just so, so sorry that that happened. To answer
00:55:33.560
your question though, was this murder God's or part of God's perfect plan? Is anything part of
00:55:40.360
God's, is anything horrific part of God's plan? Rape, sex trafficking, child abuse? And the answer is
00:55:46.980
kind of complex. So I'll lay it out as best as I can. We have to remember four irrefutable attributes
00:55:53.120
attributes of God. One, he is everywhere. Two, he is all powerful. Three, he knows everything. And
00:56:00.180
four, he is completely good. So he is omnipresent. He is omnipotent. He is omniscient and he is good.
00:56:08.900
Those attributes are what makes his plans perfect. Not that they are actually perfect in our eyes,
00:56:15.340
but that they are perfectly in line with his will, no matter what that means. So is it his will
00:56:22.720
for horrible things like murder to happen? Um, when we talk about the goodness of God and balance it
00:56:29.720
with the sovereignty of God, we hear a lot that God quote, allows things to happen. And while that's
00:56:35.960
true in some ways, for example, we know from James one 13, that God does not himself tempt us with sin.
00:56:41.900
So anything directly caused by human sin, like murder, it's not like God directly encouraged that,
00:56:48.180
but the hard truth is we, he could have stopped it if he wanted to, because there is absolutely
00:56:55.400
nothing that happens that is outside of his grasp. That's why I don't love the term allow when it comes
00:57:01.600
to God, because it makes it sound like God took a step back and pretended not to see what was happening
00:57:06.700
or something. And that's just not accurate. Um, Job 42, two says, I know that you can do all things and
00:57:12.660
that no purpose of yours can be thwarted. Psalm 139, 16 says, your eyes saw my unformed substance
00:57:18.800
and your book were written every one of them, the days that were formed for me when as yet there was
00:57:23.420
none of them. Um, I think this is very hard for us to comprehend that a good, all powerful God would
00:57:28.840
watch as something like murder, um, happens and then do nothing. It seems like we are really
00:57:34.740
uncomfortable with calling things God's fault. So we use terms like allow, but I don't think that's
00:57:40.820
really an accurate portrayal of God's character. Um, I've always thought about it with this analogy
00:57:45.560
that I think, I think is my own original creation, unless I read it somewhere and I just don't
00:57:50.520
remember. So y'all can call me out if so, but I think I thought of this on my own a few years ago.
00:57:55.020
Um, so you have a babysitter who's watching a two-year-old, the two-year-old drowns in a pool.
00:58:00.080
When the parents get home, there are four possibilities for them to consider. Number one,
00:58:04.360
that the babysitter was not present when it happened. Number two, that the babysitter was present,
00:58:08.560
but was somehow physically incapable of getting to the child. Number three, that the babysitter
00:58:12.940
didn't know how to save the child or number four, that she was present, uh, capable of saving the
00:58:19.100
child and knew how to save the child, but she purposely didn't. So say number four is true that
00:58:24.060
she was there. She was able, she was knowledgeable, but she did not save the child. Would we say that the
00:58:28.980
babysitter just allowed the drowning to happen? Would we say that, well, she didn't push him in. So
00:58:34.480
she just allowed it. It's not her fault. No, of course not. It would be her fault because she
00:58:39.380
had all the power in the world to stop it. And she didn't in the same way. God has all the power
00:58:43.740
in the world to stop bad things from happening. And he sometimes does it. And as uncomfortable
00:58:48.560
as that makes us, we don't need to let God off the hook. He doesn't ask to be let off the hook.
00:58:56.560
Now that doesn't answer the question of why, even with free will, he does have the power to stop
00:59:02.300
all things from happening. We, we don't fully know why though. Sometimes he does. And sometimes
00:59:07.460
he doesn't. Why cancer? Why child abuse? Why car wrecks? Why all these things that seem so
00:59:13.360
unnecessarily evil and tragic? Heck, why did the fall happen in the first place? Surely he could
00:59:19.180
have banished the serpent from the garden of Eden. Go back even further. Why did he make Lucifer knowing
00:59:24.300
full well that he was going to rebel? I don't know. What I do know is that his own glory is his number
00:59:31.180
one goal. And it's the purpose of his plan of redemption for all of us. That every single
00:59:36.200
thing that happens falls in line with his ultimate plan of redemption and glory. Ephesians 1, 7 through
00:59:41.420
10 says, in him, we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according
00:59:46.060
to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us in all wisdom and insight, making known to us the
00:59:51.440
mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness
00:59:56.580
of time to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. I don't know why a loving,
01:00:03.960
good God who is fully in control of every facet of the universe purposely lets, for lack of a better
01:00:09.360
term, bad things happen. Some kinds of bad things seem more understandable than others to me. Sickness,
01:00:16.260
okay. Death, okay. But the sick sex trafficking and rape of little girls and boys, the murder of an
01:00:23.000
innocent child, that I'll be honest with you, I don't get. And I don't think I ever will. Tim Keller
01:00:30.380
has a great analogy for this in his book, Reason for God. And it's the analogy of a child getting a
01:00:35.440
vaccination shot. The child is going to cry because of pain and the parent will comfort their child.
01:00:41.120
They will hold their hand. They might even cry with them, knowing though that the pain is going to end
01:00:45.380
and that ultimately the vaccination is worth this pain. The parent doesn't try to explain the
01:00:50.640
vaccinations to the child. There would be absolutely no point in that. The child cannot understand.
01:00:55.700
All the child knows in that moment is pain. So if that's the gap of understanding between a child
01:01:01.300
and a parent, two fallible human beings, imagine the gap of understanding between a human being and
01:01:07.020
God, a fallible being and an infallible one. That's really all I have. Romans 9 talks about the
01:01:13.900
sovereignty of God, how difficult it is to comprehend for human beings, how natural it is for us to
01:01:18.580
question God's goodness when he clearly ordains things to happen that we don't understand.
01:01:23.000
I don't think we will ever fully specifically know why these things happen. What we can do though is
01:01:29.320
put our hope in Christ, the author and the perfecter of our faith, knowing that the trials that we endure
01:01:34.220
now aren't even worth comparing to what God has stored up for his followers in heaven. That one day
01:01:39.040
God's going to wipe away every tear, that there will be no more sadness, no more murder, no more
01:01:43.760
confusion, no more politics, no more disagreements, and we will all worship in perfect harmony and joy
01:01:48.820
forever and ever. I hope that at least somewhat answers your question. And again, I'm so sorry
01:01:57.700
that that happened. It was a really good question. And I hope you all had some encouragement from that.
01:02:03.800
Feel free to send me your thoughts. Okay, that's all I have for today. Again, I love you guys. As always,
01:02:08.560
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