Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 151 ｜ Candace Owens

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Thank you so much for being here. Today I am going to talk to

00:00:07.000 Candace Owens. She is formerly of Turning Point USA. She runs a movement called Blexit. We are

00:00:14.920 going to talk about what she's up to now, what she sees for herself in the future, and we are

00:00:21.040 also going to talk about how she deals with all of the criticism that she gets, which is something

00:00:26.100 that we have talked about a lot on this podcast and you guys ask me about a lot. It can be very

00:00:32.740 intimidating and very difficult to put your voice out there, especially if you're a political

00:00:37.780 conservative, especially if you're a Christian and a conservative, knowing that there are going

00:00:43.580 to be people who trash talk you, people who don't want to be your friend anymore, and so she is going

00:00:49.580 to give us some wisdom on that. Candace, thanks so much for joining me. Thank you for having me.

00:00:55.420 Always a pleasure. Yes. Okay. So you were at Turning Point USA. You had an awesome run. So

00:01:01.820 much good, I feel like, for you, came out of your role there and for Turning Point. A lot of good

00:01:07.920 came out for Turning Point because of you. So tell me what your next stage is and what this next year

00:01:13.680 of your life might look like. Yeah. I mean, when I got Turning Point, I was totally a newbie. I didn't

00:01:19.140 know anybody. I had no prior experience in politics. Didn't even really know how to do a news.

00:01:24.360 Yeah. So really, it's funny. It's a student organization, but in many ways, I felt like I

00:01:29.080 was a student while I was there and just sort of learning the game of politics, which was a

00:01:32.380 blessing. And then, you know, things took off really quickly and I was just sort of ready for

00:01:37.200 the next step to sort of assert like who Candace Owens is. And what I wanted to bring to the table

00:01:41.920 at Turning Point was sort of this minority awakening and talking about these things in the context in

00:01:47.660 terms of Black America, you know, what it means to be a Black American, which should be the same as 0.92

00:01:52.000 what it means to be an American. Yeah. But due to a corrupt education system, we have been feeling

00:01:57.460 like we were somehow separate from the American dream. And I wanted to take that to the next step.

00:02:03.020 And the next step for me was basically plugging my thoughts in a longer format. I mean, what you do

00:02:08.220 here with Relatable is so great because people can follow you and really understand who is Allie Stuckey

00:02:13.040 long form and how is she feeling about the political climate every day as it changes. 1.00

00:02:17.440 And beyond that, doing Blexit full time and encouraging Black Americans to exit the left 1.00

00:02:23.420 and embrace their futures. And you're also getting married. Minor. Minor thing. Minor thing that's

00:02:30.760 happening. Okay. Tell us about Blexit. You kind of just said your heart and your purpose behind it,

00:02:36.340 but tell us what your vision for that is and if you feel like it's effective. I do, but I want to hear

00:02:42.580 it in your words as well. You know, my vision is, I think many people think that I want people to

00:02:47.440 leave the Democrat party and sprint towards the Republican party. And that couldn't be further

00:02:51.320 from the truth. I have plenty of issues with a lot of the Republicans that are in office. And I have,

00:02:56.540 the reason why I support Trump is because I don't think he's either either. Um, and I want,

00:03:01.520 I want Black Americans to become independent and to not accept emotional, uh, debates anymore.

00:03:07.400 Uh, offering someone reparations, uh, isn't offering them a policy that's going to fix their homes.

00:03:12.440 Uh, we should expect long-term solutions. We should expect debates that are based on policy,

00:03:17.580 not on our skin tone and not on these, you know, divisionary tactics that we see every four years,

00:03:22.620 which is just white supremacy is on the rise. Racism is back. Yeah.

00:03:26.480 Fear-mongering basically are asked out to get you. So it's just, it's just being autonomous and

00:03:31.120 saying, I want to know how you are going to make things better for me. Don't tell me about the color of

00:03:35.760 my skin. And do you think that that's a message that you have found people are receptive to? I mean,

00:03:41.460 you've been traveling the country talking about this. Do you feel like people are like,

00:03:45.140 are waking up? Yes, I really do. And it's so insane because when I first got into this,

00:03:50.580 uh, you know, the black community largely rejected everything that I said, you know, 0.87

00:03:54.080 I looked into my comments, which is for me, the way I measure the impact that I'm having on social

00:03:58.760 media. And it was just the typical things you hear, coon, uncle Tom, racial slurs that are being

00:04:03.120 launched at all black conservatives, but I fought back. Um, and now we're seeing all of these 1.00

00:04:07.660 baby movements that are appearing under me, uh, that it will be like, you know, black 0.84

00:04:11.960 conservatives. Uh, there are smaller movements that are coming out, these satellite movements

00:04:16.400 and people are feeling encouraged. Sometimes it takes the first person to stand up. I always

00:04:20.400 call it the slow clap when you're at a theater, the first person that does the clap. And then

00:04:24.480 all of a sudden the next person can do it. And by the end you have a standing ovation. And

00:04:28.200 I think for many people that's what Blexit was, and it just feels better. I think we conservatives

00:04:32.380 have a better product and you know, the left is selling victimhood, right? You can be a victim

00:04:37.120 forever. You're never going to make it. You can be sad. You can be angry. You could be screaming in

00:04:41.420 the streets, burning down your own home. We're offering people their future. We're talking about

00:04:45.480 patriotism. We're talking about family. We're talking about values. It just feels better.

00:04:50.340 And I think you did mention, you know, asking what is the government actually going to do for me?

00:04:55.460 But I feel like something that you talk about a lot and really emulate well yourself is not so much

00:05:00.500 asking like, what can the government do for me? But what do I actually stand for? What values do

00:05:06.160 I have? And what do I want to see reflected in leadership? So not so much, okay, am I going to,

00:05:11.900 and I don't think this is what you were saying at all, but like, what am I going to get out of this?

00:05:15.640 Which is what a lot of people, not just the black community, but women, immigrants, a lot of people

00:05:21.020 have been trained by Democrats to think is what am I going to get from you people? It's more that,

00:05:25.720 okay, no, I have a purpose. I have potential. I have something that is beyond victimhood. Like I

00:05:31.660 have something to contribute. And what kind of governments do I want to live under that is going

00:05:36.460 to allow me to reach that potential? And I think you would probably agree. It's a government that

00:05:41.060 allows self-governance and a government that allows freedom. And I would think that for young

00:05:46.060 people, that kind of message is attractive. Right. And actually what you're hitting at is something

00:05:50.560 I talk about a lot when I say, what is it that the left has taken from black Americans or all

00:05:55.660 minority groups, really? And the answer is self-confidence. They've stripped us of self-confidence. 1.00

00:06:00.160 We don't wake up in the morning, believing that we can do anything. Uh, you know, I was taught

00:06:04.320 through the public school system to see myself as less than, which is quite ironic, right? Because

00:06:08.800 they're over here saying that the other guy is racist, which is viewing us as less than when in fact,

00:06:14.060 uh, they are manufacturing a lack of self-confidence via the school system and this constant anxiety.

00:06:19.680 And my grandfather always says this, um, if you believe that you can't, you won't, right? You

00:06:25.340 have to, you have to wake up every morning saying, I can do this. I I'm going to embrace my future.

00:06:29.500 Even if you, if you get sent back a couple of steps, you have to believe that, that you can gain

00:06:33.520 those steps in the future. And unfortunately, what I believe the minority community is suffering from

00:06:37.780 is just a tremendous lack of self-confidence. And that's what I'm trying to give them back,

00:06:42.160 you know, just to give everybody back what I feel like I found through conservative principles.

00:06:46.060 Yeah. I feel like this is something for a lot of the people that are targeted for lack of a better

00:06:54.120 term by people on the left, the intersectionality scale that says, okay, if you are a woman, if you're

00:07:00.120 an immigrant, if you're a black person, if you are a Muslim, whatever it is, you have to see the world 0.92

00:07:06.200 through the lens of the oppressed versus oppressor. And it's something that I call the gospel of

00:07:10.840 grievance that the left has been preaching for a long time that you have to vote out of grievance.

00:07:15.600 You have to think out of grievance. I saw this tweet the other day. It was some tweet saying,

00:07:20.080 uh, you know, the people that report the most satisfaction in marriage are actually women 1.00

00:07:24.120 who are religious and who are conservative and who believe in more traditional gender roles.

00:07:29.960 And you had all these feminists just so angry about this reality. So angry, so bitter. I could not 1.00

00:07:37.120 believe the things that I was hearing, but that's because a lot of people have been trained,

00:07:41.080 trained to see the world out of that lens of grievance and resentment and oppression.

00:07:46.540 And I just would think that people want to be liberated from that. That's a heavy weight to

00:07:50.000 carry. Right. I mean, when I had you on my podcast, actually, I don't know if you saw this in one of

00:07:55.060 the comments, it was actually so sad. It's the saddest comment that I've ever read and it broke my

00:07:58.900 heart. But a woman wrote underneath, um, you know, thank you, Candace and Allie for having this

00:08:03.080 discussion. I recommend all girls watch this. She said, I fell for the scam of feminism. Uh, 1.00

00:08:09.060 now I'm in my, you know, mid fifties. I'm not married. I have no children. I take antidepressants.

00:08:15.060 So sad, so sad. But that is the reality that we live in is that, um, they try to get people in

00:08:20.180 their youth, uh, to believe that they're going to find happiness through rage. And that's not the truth

00:08:24.640 by hating, by hating men, by being resentful towards marriage, by calling marriage bondage.

00:08:29.280 Um, and, and the truth is, is that if you fall for that scam, it does ultimately lead to

00:08:33.280 unhappiness. And, uh, I try to catch those people while they're young and say, listen,

00:08:37.560 you can fall for this scam. Whether if you're black, it's the scam that, you know, your biggest 1.00

00:08:41.200 problem is, is the white man. But if you follow that path, you will end up unhappy. And it's time 0.99

00:08:45.620 for us to take that back and say, no, uh, we want opportunities. We have opportunities and we are

00:08:50.160 blessed to live in this country. The happiest of black Americans, uh, or the most successful 0.93

00:08:54.480 black Americans that live in this country are from Nigeria. Think about that. It's because 1.00

00:08:58.480 they haven't been taught about racism. They haven't been taught that they're less than

00:09:03.260 and when they come into this country, they're doing what everybody else does. They just work

00:09:06.700 hard. They work hard. Exactly. It's, it's really simple. And it's crazy how just convoluted the

00:09:11.980 message has gotten from, um, hard work and human potential to the conversation, like you said,

00:09:17.060 about reparations. And that doesn't mean, and I've heard you say this before, like that doesn't

00:09:21.360 mean that oppression hasn't happened or discrimination hasn't happened or that there

00:09:25.060 aren't racist sexist out there. I mean, there are people who don't like pregnant women out

00:09:28.840 there. There are people who don't like blondes. There are people who don't like girls. There's

00:09:32.340 all these kinds of isms out there. And so we can either sit here and we can say, wow, it's

00:09:38.040 really unfair that there are some people out there that don't like women and who think that

00:09:41.540 I'm dumb because I'm a woman or whatever it is, or you can just do what you're called to

00:09:47.000 do and fulfill a purpose that God has called you to do for his glory and not worry about 0.92

00:09:52.620 what everyone else has said. It just seems like such a limiting mentality. But like you

00:09:57.780 said, I do think it's from a place of a lack of self-confidence. I also think it's a place

00:10:02.700 of fear too, that if you claim that while you can't do anything anyway, because you are being

00:10:09.760 oppressed or held back, then if you don't succeed, it's not your fault. You don't have to take

00:10:14.080 responsibility for it. That's exactly right. It's easier to be a victim. It's much easier

00:10:17.840 to be a victim. It's much harder to look at yourself in the mirror and say, okay, why didn't

00:10:21.700 I do better here? Why did this person beat me at this? What can I do to change about myself?

00:10:26.660 That takes courage and humility to see where you went wrong and to assess yourself. And

00:10:31.860 that is hard. And that's why I tell people, I say, look, look around the room. You're not

00:10:35.980 a special snowflake. Life is hard for everybody. Right when you think that you've had the worst

00:10:40.780 day of your life, you can guarantee another one is right around the corner. But life is

00:10:44.160 really about how many more times you get back up. We start at different places in life,

00:10:47.860 but we're all afforded the same opportunities. We are blessed to live in this country. And

00:10:51.320 that really is the messaging of Lexit. You know, Lexit left and just walk right into your

00:10:55.560 future and embrace it because once you do, you'll see how much more you are rewarded. And

00:11:00.660 it just feels better. Like I said, it just feels better. And having to wake people up to

00:11:05.480 the reality that it's not supposed to be, we were never guaranteed by God or our constitution

00:11:11.280 equality of outcomes that everyone's life is going to be different. Not only depending on

00:11:17.280 our choices, I would say choices make up the majority of our destination, but there are

00:11:21.160 circumstances beyond our control and that's okay. That's life. There is this mentality on

00:11:26.240 the left that everyone has to be the same and end up in the same place for things to be

00:11:30.880 fair. That's why they're okay with socialism. Even if everyone ends up mediocre, it's better

00:11:35.280 than some people ending up well off and some people not ending up well off and realizing

00:11:40.280 that choices matter. We talked about this in the interview that like we've moved into this

00:11:44.980 culture of anti-shame and because we've moved and we hate shame so much, we're not able to

00:11:51.840 say that choices actually matter. That maybe a decision you made caused this to happen somewhere

00:11:57.300 along the line. How do you think that we get millennials who can be sometimes averse to that,

00:12:04.180 averse to regret and shame and the mentality of having choices and making decisions? How do you

00:12:08.600 think that we wake them up to the reality that that's just a factor of life and you don't need

00:12:12.040 someone to come in and save you every time you make a mistake? Well, I think part of it is what you and

00:12:17.180 I are doing. It's needed younger voices. It's needed people like us to speak to them through channels

00:12:22.000 that they understand, right? I mean, I've been blessed to be on major networks like Fox News.

00:12:28.420 But at the end of the day, we know that the people that are watching Fox News are older people,

00:12:32.560 an older generation, hitting social media and really talking about these concepts and these scams

00:12:37.720 like feminism, like socialism. Of course, on a paper, they sound great. A utopian concept where

00:12:43.740 everybody gets to end up the same, like socialism. But we know it's not true. If I know I can lay in bed all

00:12:49.300 day, right? And I get to have the same outcome as Ali, who's pregnant and has to work, well, okay, 0.66

00:12:53.920 well, Ali should do it. And then you're going to say, well, why am I doing it, right? And we're all

00:12:57.700 going to de-incentivize all of us to work. And just talking them through the practicality,

00:13:02.540 the application of socialism, I think is a big hurdle because they're not doing that in school,

00:13:07.860 right? They're just on the utopian concept. They have no real life experience. So it takes younger

00:13:12.620 people like us. I believe so much in the youth movement. It's why I started at Turning Point USA.

00:13:17.700 It's why I try to connect the dots with younger voices and give them a platform because I know

00:13:23.040 that I was blessed to be given a platform by people that said, hey, you're saying something

00:13:27.100 important, locking hands. And then I think, by the way, we're having tons of progress as it is.

00:13:32.780 I think Generation Z is staunchly conservative. Somehow our generation, I don't know if you're

00:13:37.600 a millennial. I am. I'm 30. Really ruined it. And somehow Generation Z is perhaps going to save the

00:13:43.980 day because they're not politically correct. Well, I hope so. There's definitely a segment

00:13:48.500 of them that I think the non-political correct thing could help. I do fear because, like you

00:13:55.400 said, in the public schooling system that there's still going to be a misunderstanding of values,

00:14:00.920 of capitalism, of American exceptionalism, which just makes our job more important. That doesn't

00:14:06.900 mean that all hope is lost. It just means that, OK, we're training not just that generation,

00:14:11.340 but people who are younger than us, because now you and I, I'm 27, you're 30, like we're looking

00:14:16.700 to the college students to turn around and then look to the high school students. And so we're

00:14:20.620 already trying to affect like two generations later, which does mean that we're old. What is

00:14:25.720 the biggest thing or what is one thing? I won't make you narrow it down. Over the past year of your

00:14:30.780 life, your life has changed a lot in the past year, year and a half, two years. What is the biggest

00:14:36.600 thing that you've learned? Doesn't have to be political, could just be professional that you've learned

00:14:39.880 about life, yourself, anything that you can look back and say, wow, I am so glad I learned this

00:14:46.020 lesson? Oh, wow. That is a deep question. Over the last two years. Or just anything that you feel

00:14:54.040 like you've learned. I would say one thing that I always try to help people with, and especially

00:14:58.180 people that are younger and getting into politics at a younger age, is just the volatility of the space

00:15:02.180 that we're in. We could be deplatformed tomorrow. You just never know. And that's something that's

00:15:08.600 really scary. And one of the things that's taught me, I don't seem like I do it all the time.

00:15:12.540 But now I think I'm a little more cautious. And I try to save my bullets for things that I think

00:15:17.280 really matter. I used to be in a heartbeat. Even if it was somebody that was a conservative,

00:15:22.920 I disagreed with on something, I'd probably issue a tweet or say something. And now when somebody's

00:15:27.500 under a firestorm, I won't do it as much. And people are like, why aren't you adding your voice

00:15:30.940 to this or that? It doesn't really matter to me just because something is trending. I try to think

00:15:35.000 about what is my ultimate goal. My ultimate goal is to save Black America. In an effort to save Black

00:15:40.940 America, I don't really need to throw in my opinion. Ben Shapiro or Ali Stuckey is trending

00:15:45.620 about something to say, oh, this or that. So I think that maybe that comes with a little bit of

00:15:50.080 maturity, but I've just been sort of like, I don't need to add my opinion. That's going to wait.

00:15:54.380 And I think that saying to yourself what your ultimate goal is once a day will help you make

00:16:00.820 better decisions throughout the day because politics is volatile. Today, you, tomorrow, me.

00:16:05.340 Make friends where you can. And that's really kind of the best. That's kind of how I try to look at

00:16:09.760 everything going forward. I think that's a great piece of advice to remind yourself what your

00:16:15.700 ultimate goal is every day or remind yourself of your why. Like, why are you doing what you're

00:16:20.200 doing? It's bigger than money. It's bigger than followers. It's bigger than fame. Not just you,

00:16:24.360 but anyone. It's bigger than these small things or it should be. If it is, if that's, you know,

00:16:28.600 if that's someone's only purpose, they're going to crash and burn so fast because, you know,

00:16:32.740 like you said, things are here today, gone tomorrow. People love you today, hate you tomorrow.

00:16:37.120 And so your why has to be bigger. It has to be a purpose that's almost independent of those things.

00:16:42.180 And I do think that reminding yourself of the bigger picture every day, it just kind of helps those like

00:16:47.760 small anxieties go away and the incessant need to be involved in every conflict, which we all feel the

00:16:57.500 need to at times. I think, like you said, it just reminds us of our priorities. What advice would

00:17:04.820 you give someone, not necessarily in this realm, but maybe dealing with conflict and dealing with

00:17:11.240 hates? Because you deal with that a lot. At a large scale, yes. So what I always say to people is

00:17:18.120 if you think you're the only one, you're not. Network with people that have the same opinions as

00:17:23.200 you. That's a question that I get a lot on campuses, which is they always feel like they're the

00:17:26.600 only one, that they're the only conservatives. And unfortunately, especially when you're young,

00:17:30.300 sometimes it feels like it pays off better to just remain silent rather than to deal with the

00:17:35.600 peer pressure that comes with being a conservative. And what I tell them is to go to events, figure out

00:17:41.460 who thinks like you and network with them. And you don't need to be ready. Not every person is going

00:17:45.080 to be like Ali Stuckey and Candace Owens and want to be out there and taking all the bullets. But

00:17:50.380 there's other ways to kind of quiet that anxiety of feeling that you're alone. And one thing that we have

00:17:56.600 so great is we have this massive group chat on Instagram filled with black conservatives,

00:18:00.680 you know, and it reminds us every single day that we're not alone going to a Glexit rally,

00:18:05.420 showing up at a TPUSA event as a conservative reminds you, oh, look around the room. I'm not

00:18:10.040 the only person who who thinks this way or feels this way. And I think that that really is the

00:18:15.020 lesson. You know, I'm a big supporter of the president of Donald Trump is that every single

00:18:19.260 day people were being told that it wasn't existent, that their that their feelings weren't right,

00:18:23.780 they were racist and that they were sexist. And but they showed up to these rallies and

00:18:27.160 they looked around and they said, you know, I'm not the only one that feels like America

00:18:30.300 is missing out. And in the end, they won. So never be bitter, never be upset. And know

00:18:35.980 that you're not alone. Networks that you don't feel that depression of feeling like you are

00:18:39.880 the only person that holds those viewpoints.

00:18:42.140 Yeah. And being around people for me, like being around the people that really know me,

00:18:47.040 like for you, I know one of those people is your fiance. And then, of course, you've got family

00:18:51.720 that, you know, in love and friends that are not in the political movement at all.

00:18:55.140 And then for me, it's like being with my husband, of course, being in the word of God,

00:18:58.720 knowing purpose and knowing eternal truth that outlasts all the stuff of this day. But

00:19:03.040 being with my family who really couldn't care less, you know, like what I said on Twitter or

00:19:08.520 what someone else said about me on Twitter, that is just very regenerative. It's very reassuring to

00:19:14.420 remember that the political world is not all there is. It's a big part of of all that there is.

00:19:21.040 And it's an important part. But it's not all there is. And at the end of the day,

00:19:24.760 if all of that went away, if all our followers went away, if we got deplatformed completely,

00:19:30.040 we would be okay. And I just have to remind myself of that. I have to take myself.

00:19:36.200 What'd you say?

00:19:37.280 That's so funny that you say that because one of the things that I say is people say,

00:19:39.880 how do you deal with all the mean tweets? And I say to people, my grandfather picked cotton.

00:19:44.600 Like, you know what I mean? Like my grandfather picked cotton. My grandfather had to deal with the 1.00

00:19:48.400 KKK shooting bullets in his home. What an amazing privilege that I get to say. The worst thing that

00:19:53.620 I have to deal with in my life are mean tweets. How optional is that? Like, turn off your phone.

00:19:57.840 Yeah. Well, it's perspective. But I think it's that perspective that a lot of people

00:20:02.080 don't have or they're not able to have because they get so sucked into this kind of stuff and

00:20:07.560 the whole why me mentality. And you don't have that. But it's a choice that you make.

00:20:12.120 It's a choice that you make to gain that perspective and to be tough in the midst of all that. And if

00:20:17.900 you're not, like, if that's not for you, I always say that's totally fine. But I would not recommend

00:20:23.800 this job. Like, I would not recommend it. I just, I know people are ruthless on the internet,

00:20:29.720 you know? And yeah, you do get used to it. I don't know about you, but I've gotten used. I'm

00:20:34.420 like, whatever. Yeah, you just don't read it. You just don't read it. Now there are things that are

00:20:38.140 like more hateful. But you also have to know, this is something I learned early on. There are

00:20:42.760 people, unfortunately, in the media who also want to see you fail and they will do whatever it takes

00:20:48.460 to see you fail. And that is a really unfortunate reality. But even in that, which I would say are

00:20:53.560 bigger conflicts, you also have to learn to remove yourself and realize this is going to sound really

00:20:58.860 arrogant, but it just happens to be true. The people who spread rumors about people who look to

00:21:03.820 stab someone in the back or who look to take someone down are typically the people, the nameless

00:21:08.820 people that you might write about in your book one day. Like, they're not going to be significant

00:21:13.120 because if they spend their life looking at what you're doing, then they're probably not going to

00:21:18.800 go very far. But that can, I don't know, in my experience, that's also been like a hard thing to

00:21:22.260 deal with a little bit. That's not arrogant. I don't think what you said is arrogant at all. That is

00:21:25.860 a truth. And that was one of the things, you know, early on, so many people when I started on

00:21:30.680 YouTube were just so mean to me. I mean, it was just like, there was just so much drama

00:21:34.480 of people that were coming after me saying this, you know, the second I had an opinion that didn't

00:21:38.680 run popular people that would come after me and hope that I would get deplatformed. And I kept my

00:21:43.080 head down. And I said to myself, this is their existence, finding drama, jumping on the next dog

00:21:48.060 pile every single day, there's another person that everybody can dog pile on and try to get

00:21:51.640 deplatformed. That means they're not working every day to build up what they want to see flourish,

00:21:56.920 right? They're spending time trying to take down what they want to destroy.

00:22:00.140 I'm not going to see these people in a year. And the truth is I didn't. None of those people today

00:22:04.900 have the same platform. So I think the lesson in all of that is to stay focused on the things that

00:22:09.020 you want to see grow, not the things that you want to see die. Oh, that's good. Not people,

00:22:14.480 you know, not other movements die. So. Oh, I really like that. That's a good line. Okay. One last

00:22:18.860 question. That's a fun question. What are you most excited about for marriage?

00:22:22.720 Um, the, the anxiety of my twenties being over, I, everyone that I know was freaking out when they

00:22:32.280 turned 30. It was really weird. Like they were having, I don't know, like a court, I guess on a

00:22:35.340 court life crisis, but they were sort of freaking out. And when I turned 30, I was so happy because

00:22:39.580 it all sort of made sense. Now I knew the person that I was marrying. I knew what my future was. I

00:22:44.720 knew the person that I was going to have kids with. And I genuinely feel like my thirties are going to be

00:22:48.880 my best decade because now I have a partner for life, right? How great is that? You can have as

00:22:53.680 many friends as you want. You don't, there's no promise that your friendships are forever.

00:22:57.480 Um, but just kind of growing my personal garden, right? The things that actually matter to me.

00:23:02.380 And I, the one thing that I've always wanted was what my grandparents had and they just had,

00:23:06.480 you know, this beautiful partnership. And, uh, I, I get to now do that in my life. And I know that

00:23:11.500 I'm now creating the things that are going to matter the most to me, the things that on my dying bed,

00:23:16.220 you know, nobody says like, I wish I did one more, uh, political event, right? I think their,

00:23:21.280 their husband, they think about their children. And I just think it's, it, this is going to be

00:23:24.880 the greatest blessing of my life. Oh, totally. Marriage is awesome. Well, I'm really excited

00:23:29.300 for you. Um, thanks for taking the time. This is great advice. You gave a lot of awesome one-liners

00:23:35.120 that I think people are going to tuck away in their head and just apply as wisdom to their own lives

00:23:40.420 and their own careers. So thank you for that. Thanks for what you're doing and always just being

00:23:44.680 enthusiastic to move on to the next thing and take the next challenge. What you're doing is a

00:23:48.900 challenge and you, um, are pioneering it, which is something to be proud of. Thank you so much.

00:23:54.280 Hopefully we'll be looking in the future and Blexit will not, there won't be need for the

00:23:58.020 movement because it'll already happen and we'll all be able to celebrate being American. So God bless.

00:24:02.920 Thank you so much, Ali. You're one of the kindest people ever wishing you all the best luck. And of

00:24:07.300 course we'll probably work together. Yes. And I'm sure I'll talk to you soon. Thanks Candace.

00:24:13.440 Bye. Bye.

00:24:13.940 Bye.

00:24:14.680 Hope you guys enjoyed that conversation. Really, no matter what side of the aisle that you're on,

00:24:20.040 I, I think that there's a lot to be learned from someone who just decided, okay, uh, I'm,

00:24:28.560 I want this thing to happen and I'm going to figure out a way to make it happen. She's obviously very

00:24:33.200 passionate about this segment of the political population and she is doing what she can to, uh,

00:24:40.460 make sure that they are engaged. And, uh, I really, really hope and wish her the best and hope that

00:24:46.880 that is effective because it is in so many ways, a message that needs to be heard. So I've spoken to

00:24:52.540 Candace before. I actually spoke with her on her, uh, PragerU podcast. We had an awesome conversation

00:24:59.140 about feminism and about faith. Here's a little clip from that.

00:25:03.280 If you take feminism to the umpteenth degree, which I like to do when I say, okay, let's just lock 1.00

00:25:07.200 ourselves into what the left has said, which is that you don't have to be personally responsible,

00:25:10.820 personally responsible. You don't have to feel any shame. It's never your fault. You don't need a

00:25:15.500 man, right? You can do everything by yourself. You want to have kids. You don't need a man. You

00:25:18.940 don't need a family. Let's destroy the nuclear family, right? That's the one thing they really want 1.00

00:25:22.560 to see burn is the nuclear family. Yeah. Where, let's go find those people that actually followed

00:25:26.800 that. Yeah. Do you think Chelsea Handler is happy? Does she sound happy? She just wrote a book and,

00:25:30.980 and, and she talks about how she's taking, had to take pills and, and go on psychiatric medicine to

00:25:36.080 cope with the election of Donald Trump. And then we've got, you know, Sarah Silverman who speaks about

00:25:40.040 how she suffers through depression. And then we have Kathy Griffin. Do these people look to you

00:25:44.960 like the models? Lena Dunham, do these look like the models of where you want to be in your life?

00:25:49.000 And that's the question I ask myself. And yet they shame people like you, right? You're Christian.

00:25:54.000 You, you're, you're, you know, you're hot on, hot on the like left loves. They hate God publicly,

00:25:58.680 right? They're always saying terrible things about God culturally. They mock God. They mock religion.

00:26:02.640 They mock the idea of a woman marrying a man and, and creating the nuclear family. Yeah. Who would 1.00

00:26:07.480 you rather be? I mean, that's really the objective question that I ask myself. Right. If you want to

00:26:11.720 find fulfillment, are you going to look to these people who are famously unfulfilled? Famously unfulfilled.

00:26:17.200 I love that. Yeah. Are you going to look to the people and model your life after the people who

00:26:22.200 seem to, I mean, no one fully has it together, but seem to have found some measure of satisfaction in

00:26:28.780 their hard work and, and the family that they've created and the things that are really outside of

00:26:33.440 themselves. Because what those people tell us is that you can find all of your happiness inside of

00:26:37.500 yourself. Just pursue the things that you want to do. Well, the happiest times that I've been in my life,

00:26:41.840 the most fulfilled, the most satisfied, the most joyful times I've had in my life have been when I'm

00:26:46.540 pouring myself out for other people, like getting married. I mean, that's such a, um, what we would

00:26:52.000 say in the Christian community, a sanctifying process of ridding yourself of yourself. You 0.90

00:26:57.040 are necessarily thinking about someone else, which you are going to experience in a very real way

00:27:01.320 really soon. Yeah. Um, you are ridding yourself of yourself. It's not only about your schedule.

00:27:05.600 It's not just what you want to eat. It's not just what you want to do, what time you want to go to

00:27:09.140 bed. You have someone else to think about. Right. And then motherhood, which is what I'm about to

00:27:12.940 experience brings that to a whole new level. It's not just about you, but how much joy is found in

00:27:19.420 pouring yourself out for other people. And that's the, one of the beautiful things about Christianity

00:27:24.060 is that Jesus doesn't call us to more self-love and self-obsession and self-pursuit and self-exaltation.

00:27:30.180 He actually calls us to self-denial, to self-crucifixion, to take up our cross and to follow him,

00:27:35.800 knowing that we might not achieve all of the happiness that the world tells us that we should

00:27:39.860 achieve in this life. But ultimate fulfillment comes in eternity. That's what we find from life

00:27:44.140 in Christ. And the Christian life is not marked by one of self-obsession, but a self-denial,

00:27:50.060 which is something that the rest of the world really doesn't understand. It doesn't glorify at

00:27:54.420 all. And I think that this is almost why what you're hitting at is, is why the left glorifies

00:27:58.520 Hollywood so much, because that is the ultimate version of self-love. Yeah. Hollywood, they love

00:28:03.100 themselves more than they could ever love anything else. And they really believe that everything they say

00:28:08.460 should just carry such weight. And hey, I'm telling you who to vote for. Right. I'm Beyonce.

00:28:13.000 Right. I'm Beyonce. Go vote for Hillary Clinton. And they can't process that there's anything

00:28:17.780 outside of themselves. All they have to do is assign their name to something. And the left wants

00:28:21.960 Hollywood to be worshipped because they also want to grow government. And if you want to grow

00:28:26.020 government, you have to reduce the family size. Right. They want the government. I always say this

00:28:30.520 when I when I go speak publicly, in my opinion, they want the government to replace God. Yeah. Right.

00:28:34.500 Totally. They want the government to place mom and dad. They want you to turn to the government

00:28:38.380 for every single solution to all of your problems. Yeah. We have a solution for that. It's no longer

00:28:43.980 prayer. Like I grew up and my grandfather's deeply religious. And we had to pray at every single meal.

00:28:48.980 And he to me was such an example. He married my grandmother when he was 17 years old.

00:28:52.760 And they stayed together until our dying day. So he was just conservative. Yeah. And he was happy. Yeah.

00:28:58.120 You know, he lives he lived the happiest life. And he's still alive. But my grandmother passed. So they're

00:29:01.820 no longer together. And I see the left actively trying to destroy that because they want to

00:29:06.480 replace. They love atheism because that's the only way they can accomplish their goals. And their goals

00:29:11.020 are communism, socialism. And you can't do that if people believe in anything other than themselves.

00:29:15.140 Well, it's the opposite of what the founders said that, OK, this society that we're building,

00:29:19.340 this republic, this democratic republic that we're building cannot function on an amoral,

00:29:24.800 irreligious society. We need the wills and the whims of men and women to be bridled by 1.00

00:29:31.540 religion and morality for a free society to work. They knew that. And so the opposite of that must

00:29:38.040 be true as well. You can't have socialism and communism. The state cannot take over unless you

00:29:43.660 have people that don't have any kind of central system or central principles or anything that they

00:29:48.800 are beholden to beyond the government. You can't have socialism without people who are godless and

00:29:57.200 without people who don't have any kind of sense of central morality. That's exactly why you see

00:30:02.220 someone like AOC saying, you know, we're going to provide economic security for people who are

00:30:07.100 unwilling to work, not just unable, but unwilling. So that is showing that she wants that person to be

00:30:14.060 fully dedicated or fully committed to, fully dependent on the government. They don't have a

00:30:19.440 responsibility to God to work hard. They don't have a responsibility to family to work hard.

00:30:23.840 They don't have any sense of shame. They don't have any sense of honor. They don't have any sense

00:30:28.040 of obligation whatsoever. All they have is the government. I think it was the DNC a couple years

00:30:33.160 ago that was their motto was the government is the only thing that everyone belongs to. And I'm like,

00:30:38.560 and that's a huge problem. That's a huge problem. So you're, you're absolutely right. Once you take

00:30:43.860 away God and morality and really the Bible away from people's, uh, people's principles or people's set of

00:30:51.700 morals that they have, then you really don't have anything. What else are they going to look for?

00:30:55.480 Right. How long have you been doing your podcast? Um, a little over a year.

00:30:59.020 Okay. What's, what's been the hardest part for you? Because I think, I just think it's very

00:31:02.220 interesting to have like a Christian woman speaking out so, so publicly and so unabashedly. What has 1.00

00:31:06.860 been the hardest part of just being a public figure for you?

00:31:11.260 I think it has been figuring out that I truly can talk about all of the things that I'm passionate

00:31:18.340 about and all the things that I really do believe without worrying about polarizing one side of my

00:31:23.480 audience. So you, you've probably found this too. If you wanted to, if your only concern was to gain

00:31:30.060 followers, then you know what you could say that people want to click on. Like, you know what you

00:31:35.360 could say that could go viral. You know what you could say that's going to get you a lot of clicks,

00:31:39.760 but talking about the things that I'm really passionate about, I might have pushed some people away who

00:31:45.380 say, you know what? I like your politics, but I hate your religion or I like your religion, 1.00

00:31:50.400 but I hate your politics. But to me, they're so interconnected. It is interconnected. Politics

00:31:54.900 and culture are downstream from faith and values. And I'm like, how do I not talk about both of these

00:31:59.020 things? Because these are the real things that are going on in my head every day when I'm watching

00:32:02.640 Donald Trump or when I'm watching the news or when I'm seeing these culture wars, I'm always going

00:32:06.380 back to the Bible and saying, okay, well, what does God's word say about this? So why would I isolate

00:32:10.540 one part of what I believe or I'm passionate about, or I'm truly thinking about throughout the day?

00:32:14.360 Because I'm afraid that it might offend some people. And I'm sure it does. I'm sure it does.

00:32:18.260 I mean, you know, it's the same way. And people who ever would ever say to me or to someone like

00:32:26.060 you, the only reason you're doing this is to get followers. If I just wanted to get followers,

00:32:31.540 trust me, the last things I would talk about, yeah, the last thing I would talk about is Christianity 0.97

00:32:36.800 and the Bible and conservatism. Because those are really unpopular.

00:32:42.380 That's what I'm like. If I wanted to just be getting followers, I would be AOC.

00:32:46.600 Yeah.

00:32:46.900 You know how easy that would be for me to be AOC so I have to know nothing, be cute sometimes.

00:32:49.740 Yeah, and you've got the intersectionality points.

00:32:51.600 Yeah, as a black woman, it would be so easy for me to get into politics as an impassioned 0.99

00:32:56.740 black woman. 0.99

00:32:57.340 And to hate Donald Trump. 1.00

00:32:57.780 And just hate Donald Trump. That's the easiest ticket in life. I'm like, are you kidding

00:33:01.160 me? They would be celebrating me everywhere. You know how many awards I would have by now?

00:33:05.180 I'd have a Nobel Peace Prize.

00:33:06.160 So if you guys are interested in listening to that entire episode, you can go to Candice's

00:33:11.540 podcast. You can also go to YouTube. I believe it's on the PragerU YouTube page. And you can

00:33:17.180 listen to our conversation there. If you guys don't already follow me on social media, feel

00:33:23.280 free to do so if you want to. If you don't, no hard feelings. I also have a YouTube channel.

00:33:28.680 It's Allie Beth Stuckey. And if you love my podcast, not just this episode, but if you like

00:33:33.560 my podcast in general, I would love a five-star review from you on iTunes. It helps me out

00:33:37.920 a lot. Okay. I'll see you guys soon.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - August 16, 2019

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