Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 179 ｜ Penny Nance

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable Happy Friday. I hope you guys have had a wonderful week. Aren't

00:00:05.720 you glad that it's Friday? If you've had a long week like I have, I am just, I'm just grateful.

00:00:10.720 I'm grateful. I'm grateful that it's Friday. I'm excited for the weekend. I hope you guys are too.

00:00:15.680 But before we get into the weekend, you have to listen to this conversation with Penny Nance. She

00:00:20.560 is awesome. She is the head of Concerned Women for America. We're going to be talking about

00:00:24.920 what's going on with the Supreme Court, all the legislative issues that matter to us as women and 0.92

00:00:29.980 as Christian and as defenders of religious liberty. Okay, without further ado, here is Penny Nance.

00:00:37.160 Penny, thank you so much for joining me. Oh, it's so fun to be on with you. I love what you do and

00:00:42.800 I love your podcast and I really am excited to be here with you. Thank you so much. Well,

00:00:47.000 we are so excited for you to be here and to glean wisdom from you. Will you tell everyone who may

00:00:52.480 not know who you are and what you do? Great. I am the president and CEO of Concerned Women

00:00:59.220 Women for America. My name is Penny Nance. I've been in this position almost 10 years now.

00:01:04.860 Wow. We're the nation's largest public policy women's organization. We're unabashedly pro-life,

00:01:12.040 pro-family. And, you know, think about the Women's March. We're the opposite.

00:01:17.880 Yes. Tell everyone a little bit of what you guys do behind the scenes because some people may not know

00:01:23.780 just what tremendous work and influence you guys do and have.

00:01:29.400 Oh, thank you for that. You know, Concerned Women for America has been around for about 40 years. I

00:01:34.700 mean, we're not the new kids on the block. We have really been at this work in public policy now

00:01:40.900 for a very long time. We are a grassroots, legit grassroots, heels on the ground women's organization.

00:01:49.020 We have members in all 50 states. We have 36 state directors. We have, but we have chapters in

00:01:56.860 every state. And we have about half a million members around the country. We have seven core

00:02:02.560 issues, the issue of life, the issue of marriage, the issue of sexual exploitation, national sovereignty,

00:02:10.340 local control of education, religious freedom. And then our last issue that we added about four years

00:02:16.300 ago is support for Israel. We're full portfolio conservatives. And it's really essential,

00:02:23.640 Ali, you know this more than anyone, at this point in history to have women trained to speak into the

00:02:30.160 hard issues of the day, to bring our perspective. Because if we don't speak for ourselves, other

00:02:35.600 people define us and pretend to speak for us. And really, that was the beginning of CWA, back during

00:02:40.820 the ERA, when Beverly LaHaye, our founder, was a pastor's wife in California, who got sick of

00:02:46.960 hearing, you know, the feminist of the day, speaking on behalf of all women, demanding abortion on 0.71

00:02:55.280 demand and other issues. And so she said, they don't speak for me. We're still there. We're still

00:03:00.880 saying, AOC, you do not speak for me. You know, Elizabeth Warren, you do not speak for me.

00:03:08.940 There's a wide group, a broad group of women around this country who still believe in traditional

00:03:16.240 values, still believe in the sanctity of human life, and still love our families, believe in

00:03:22.180 economic freedom, and again, support the nation of Israel and are more hawkish on foreign policy.

00:03:29.980 Yes. And the media, most of the media would like to pretend that we don't exist, that certainly women 1.00

00:03:37.020 don't have these kinds of values, maybe a few old white men, some of the media would say, but

00:03:42.740 not women, not young women, not a wide variety of women. It just doesn't happen. Women are only 1.00

00:03:50.620 third wave feminists. They only believe in abortion on demand and socialism and all of these radical 1.00

00:03:55.780 things that are becoming more and more mainstream. What are some of the things that you guys do in the

00:04:01.840 face of what I am sure is a lot of pushback from people, you know, in the women's march and even

00:04:08.620 just in the mainstream of the Democratic Party? How do you guys fight on the front lines of these

00:04:13.080 things? Yeah, right. And for instance, Sanja Smith, our state leader leader in Louisiana, finds it

00:04:19.580 surprising when she's told that, you know, that only white people believe X. You know, she's an

00:04:25.260 African-American leader. We have a very diverse group of women, both racially, economically, 0.57

00:04:31.100 socioeconomically, in every way. But we are women of faith and we passionately believe in biblical

00:04:38.140 values and we back up everything we say. And by our Christian worldview, we don't apologize for it.

00:04:45.040 We are strong women with solid policy, solid theology, and absolutely no apology for what we believe.

00:04:52.160 So explain to me, because I worked with you guys when it came to Kavanaugh and that all of that

00:04:58.760 drama that happened a year ago, that was just absolute madness. And you guys rallied a ton of

00:05:04.100 women in support of Kavanaugh and against the just onslaught of opposition and unfair opposition,

00:05:10.820 really, that he was receiving. Can you kind of talk about the process of how you go about rallying

00:05:17.940 support and bringing people together and kind of getting the word out about particular issues to

00:05:22.940 women? Absolutely. And I think this is so great because it really sort of explains how we work,

00:05:30.140 how we function. Again, we work, we support the president and strongly agree with his position on

00:05:39.360 only appointing constitutionalist judges. In fact, for most of our history, we worked on confirmation

00:05:47.920 of constitutionalist judges and been front and center on that. So Neil Gorsuch was no different.

00:05:54.440 And then, of course, came Brett Kavanaugh. We were working in favor of him. We had a national

00:06:01.040 bus tour that was going around the country to key states that were carried by President Trump,

00:06:08.660 because, again, we need to be strategic about what we do. States that were carried by President

00:06:13.740 Trump and the Senate seats were held by Democrats. So we knew we were going to need their votes for

00:06:20.220 confirmation. So we were doing a Women for Kavanaugh bus tour around the country, building support for

00:06:27.760 him, explaining, doing rallies, doing events. I mean, I can't even tell you how many state fairs I was at

00:06:33.900 a couple of summers ago. Was it last summer? Last summer. And, you know, and Chick-fil-A parking lots

00:06:40.840 and larger rallies. We were just really, like, places like Indiana and Missouri. You're welcome,

00:06:48.240 Josh Hawley. And other, like, key states, we were, you know, getting the word out about him. In fact,

00:06:54.520 we could watch while we're out on the road with our state leaders who are active in their state

00:06:59.880 legislatures lobbying and also doing media, because that's the other thing, like I'm doing with you

00:07:04.380 today. You sometimes can see me on Fox and other national news, but our state leaders are on local

00:07:09.520 media. And so we're doing education more broadly. And then, of course, we come back and all the

00:07:16.200 allegations hit. So we go through those with our own counsel. We look at them and we're like,

00:07:20.560 there's nothing to this. But this man, we believe, is being unfairly and justly accused. And by the way,

00:07:28.800 what is the standard going forward for any man or any woman that is accused, but there's no

00:07:34.900 corroboration. There must be equal justice under law. So we went forward, actually, Allie, not knowing

00:07:42.440 how our base would react, because we thought we knew that had the facts and we knew what was true.

00:07:49.620 But that's leadership sometimes, right? You've got to move forward. And thankfully, people agreed and

00:07:55.140 strongly rallied to his side. And our members were like, thank you. Somebody had to say it. And so we

00:08:00.980 moved forward. We did rallies of women that you didn't see, hundreds of women, at least 500 women

00:08:07.800 at one point in a rally outside the Senate. Women were inside lobbying. And we have all sorts of video

00:08:14.880 of that, of us being screamed at and defamed by other women, by the way. Because we dare go win

00:08:23.100 against the narrative that George Soros had spent $240 million on with the Women's March in order to

00:08:30.080 allege. And so we were, as you know, history tells the truth, you know, tells the story. He was

00:08:37.160 confirmed. And Women for Kavanaugh, you know, did great work. And I'm so proud of our members around

00:08:43.800 the country who rallied to his side, who contacted their senators. And, you know, some of those senators

00:08:49.280 paid the price for their positions. Right. You guys are having a tangible impact. So y'all are

00:08:55.580 on the ground across America. Y'all are in the media, on social media, basically just representing

00:09:01.460 conservative, biblical values, and also not just showing support for the people who might feel

00:09:09.200 isolated, who also share those values, but persuading people who may be on the fence, or

00:09:13.500 they don't know, or they disagree. And that is such important work in a time when it seems like people

00:09:19.280 just yell at each other rather than talk to each other. It seems like Concerned Woman for America is 1.00

00:09:25.040 actually trying to have a productive dialogue and make real differences, not just, you know,

00:09:29.780 getting clicks by saying talking points, but saying, here are the facts, here's the argument,

00:09:34.100 and you're not afraid to represent that. Tell me how you guys are doing that with what's going on

00:09:39.100 with the Supreme Court right now. And sorry, I know this is a long question, but what is going on with

00:09:44.320 the Supreme Court right now? First, maybe if you could tell that. I love everything you said there. I mean,

00:09:48.540 I think the key point, as we explain who we are, is we are the voice for conservative women. We are

00:09:54.840 the voice leaning into the issues of the day, the hard issues of the day, and speaking up. Another

00:10:00.240 example, of course, Kavanaugh, you just talked about. The other issue is we just, and this isn't

00:10:06.480 odd for us, we are often rallying in front of the Supreme Court on key issues for life and other

00:10:12.900 issues. We were just there, I think it was, was it a week ago, two weeks ago, on the Harris case. And

00:10:18.060 the question in that case has to do with the definition of sex. There's a whole movement within

00:10:24.320 our country to redefine sex and civil rights, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which defines sex as male and

00:10:32.200 female. And that has served as the basis of law of all sorts of things. Privacy rights, issues of, 1.00

00:10:43.120 you know, we're talking about sports, Title IX, women's sports teams. And so if we change, and there's

00:10:49.400 a whole group of people who thinks we should, that sex should just mean whatever you feel. It should

00:10:53.860 be redefined as gender. The social justice warriors, the woke left, strongly disagrees that

00:11:01.980 biology matters. We've said, and we've said it, interestingly enough, by linking arms together

00:11:09.380 with radical feminists, self-described radical feminists, Women's Liberation Front, who said,

00:11:15.760 wait a minute, what's happening here? We work so hard to protect women's sports, to give them an 1.00

00:11:21.920 opportunity for fair play. We believe that women that are incarcerated and women that are in

00:11:28.560 domestic violence shelters should have their privacy protected. They shouldn't be forced to

00:11:34.460 shower with men. These are real legal cases that are going on right now, both in sports,

00:11:40.000 both in domestic violence shelters. There's two cases around the country right now, one in California,

00:11:44.700 one in Alaska, Naomi's house. And it's so interesting that at this moment, the left has gone so far that

00:11:52.840 people within their own coalition are saying, you have betrayed me. Women are saying, you have betrayed me.

00:11:58.660 So together with Women's Liberation Front and Concerned Women for America, two groups who hardly agree on

00:12:05.060 anything, rallied in front of the Supreme Court. We did media. And then when the case was over, when the

00:12:11.420 attorneys got done arguing, they came for and spoke at our microphone and explained what happened. That case won't

00:12:18.000 be decided until the summer, probably at the end of June. And we'll be out there. But it's really

00:12:24.060 essential that our voices are heard in that case. We filed amicus briefs, again, arguing behalf of the

00:12:32.320 uniqueness of women, the dignity of women that must be respected in law, because there's unintended 1.00

00:12:38.700 consequences. It feels nice to say, yeah, just let everybody do what they want to do. But unfortunately,

00:12:44.580 women in prison don't have a say on whether a man is put in the cell with them or not. And by the way,

00:12:51.420 biologically, they're at an advantage if you're on a sports field. Selena Sowell in Connecticut, 1.00

00:12:58.280 who's a young woman who's a track and field star, who's spent most of her high school career winning,

00:13:03.720 suddenly two men are now competing in her state. And guess what? All the women lose. All the women lose 0.92

00:13:09.380 because they have an unfair advantage that, by the way, Martina Navajalova has even addressed 1.00

00:13:14.340 and said is cheating. So it's really interesting at this point in history, where we're seeing how far

00:13:21.140 the other side has gone, that even people that don't necessarily agree with us are coming together

00:13:25.840 to say, we have got to get some sanity here. Right. Because it is resulting in not just the

00:13:33.480 diminishment of what it means to be a woman, because no longer we can even define, we can't even define

00:13:39.820 what a woman is according to leftist standards. We can't define what a woman is. It's not just their 1.00

00:13:45.040 diminishment and their disappearance, but it's also the exploitation of women. It's the possible abuse

00:13:52.640 of women. When you talk about women in prison cells and when you talk about women in shelters who

00:13:58.460 need protection from certain men in that case, we're talking about the degradation, not just the

00:14:06.460 diminishment of women. And I'm just confused, I guess. I guess I just don't understand any feminist

00:14:12.060 who does stand on the side of this. Why are they okay with obscuring women altogether? Why are they okay 0.97

00:14:19.740 with the exploitation of women? Do you have any kind of understanding? I have no answer for that,

00:14:24.480 Allie. But this is what I know to be true. I'm older than you. And I know that it took a long time.

00:14:30.900 Women before me worked really hard to teach women in my generation that that gut instinct that you have, 1.00

00:14:39.080 that you're in danger, that you feel fearful, that you don't have to be nice. If a man makes you feel

00:14:46.000 uncomfortable, it's okay to push back and say, stay away from me, cross the street, leave an elevator,

00:14:53.560 do whatever, say something in a parking lot. Yeah, whatever. It doesn't matter if it hurts

00:14:58.900 someone's feelings. Now we've gone the other way, where we've said, you have no right. If a man walks 0.89

00:15:05.380 into your dressing room, your locker room, your restroom, you're a bigot if you have a problem

00:15:12.140 with it. I'm sorry, that makes me angry. As a woman who has lived through an assault, a physical

00:15:19.320 assault, an attempted rape. I've testified before Congress on the issue. We fought hard on the

00:15:24.660 Debbie Smith Act in order to clear up the DNA backlog. It makes me angry that people, because

00:15:30.480 of their re-education of society, because they want things a certain way, are willing to put women and 0.50

00:15:38.560 children at risk. It's not right. And we're not going to back down. And we're going to speak into it

00:15:42.800 immediately and loudly. And I think what people don't understand, but I know that you understand

00:15:47.960 and Concerned Women for America understand, is that really it's all, all of this is connected

00:15:54.460 with this increase in godlessness as well that we see in society. Because you and I know that the

00:16:01.660 creator of the universe made them male and female, and that's really obvious whether or not you believe

00:16:07.340 in the Bible, just biologically speaking. But because we know human beings are made in the image of God,

00:16:12.100 because we know that he purposed their bodies for a certain function, we can recognize that this is

00:16:18.680 going to end in chaos and confusion. That no, our bodies are not arbitrary. It's not that your sex

00:16:25.120 has no indication of your gender. That we were actually made a particular way for particular functions.

00:16:30.520 And when we veer outside of that, there is chaos, there is injustice, there is abuse, there is

00:16:35.980 exploitation always when we go outside of God's standards. And so that's why I always emphasize

00:16:42.520 on this podcast, Christians, the time is coming on for you guys not to care about politics. The time

00:16:48.560 is coming on where you can sit back and just assume that your government leaders are going to base their

00:16:53.580 decisions on the Bible. That's not happening anymore. Well, and there's real consequences if you don't

00:16:59.360 speak up, by the way, you know, the Christian groups, and we're, we're fighting this on college

00:17:04.140 campuses around the country. So we're saying to university students, if your teacher is forcing

00:17:09.240 you to identify your pronoun, and this is happening, by the way, in order to test. If you are being

00:17:16.380 coerced, and it is happening, and I've written about it in The Federalist, I would urge your viewers and

00:17:21.700 listeners to read my piece in The Federalist on this. Definitely. It is essential that we speak up,

00:17:27.100 because that has to do with Gnosticism and, and sexual nihilism. That's the philosophy underneath

00:17:34.080 that. And you can't just go along with it as a Christian, because it is in direct conflict of 0.74

00:17:39.460 Christian principles and what the Bible says. That doesn't mean you have to be mean. We should

00:17:44.440 always be kind, but we can speak truth, and we certainly need to speak truth to power, which is

00:17:49.920 the school administrations. And so that's what we're trying to do. Equip our, our, our members and

00:17:55.540 people who are interested in to, to have good statistics, science information, talking with us

00:18:01.160 in order to share something in a way that brings other people to our side. Clearly, and you know

00:18:07.540 this, of course, Allie, that there are people who struggle. There are people who struggle with

00:18:11.220 dysphoria, and we love them. We love them no matter what. Jesus died for them just like he died for me.

00:18:17.940 Right. We all have struggles in life, and we recognize that, and we welcome them to anything we do

00:18:22.680 in our churches, in our homes, whatever that is. But we're talking about the policy of the U.S.

00:18:27.700 We're talking about what we're teaching our kids in college, but also what we're teaching them in

00:18:32.080 elementary school and younger. So this is really important, because we cannot just ignore things

00:18:39.300 that are in direct conflict with biblical principles that is not even true science.

00:18:46.180 Right. It's really shocking when the math and science schools like Virginia Tech bow to pressure

00:18:52.780 from the woke left and start to indoctrinate students with speech codes. We can't just ignore

00:18:57.840 that. Or yet we have 40 young women for America chapters around the country. They're taking this

00:19:03.540 head on because they must. They must protect themselves, and they must tell the truth to people.

00:19:08.920 It's not kind to allow a lie to continue and to fester. I sometimes feel like we are, you know,

00:19:17.080 in that story of the emperor has no clothes. Sometimes we're the little boy on the side of

00:19:21.700 the parade saying, he's naked. The emperor is naked. He has no clothes on, and we refuse to pretend

00:19:28.560 otherwise. Right. And we see that not saying something has consequences, like you said. But for the next

00:19:35.620 generation, there's this tragic case out of Texas that I know you've heard of, of the seven-year-old

00:19:39.860 boy caught in a custody battle between the mom who insists that this boy, who identifies as a boy,

00:19:46.100 as far as we know from the psychologist and the dad and friends, this mom wants the boy to be a girl,

00:19:52.640 to dress up like a girl, to go by the name of Luna. When this little boy is with his dad, he says,

00:19:58.580 I'm, you know, I'm a boy. My name is James, and I dress like a boy and all of this stuff. And so

00:20:03.760 unfortunately, it looks like the court is ruling in the mother's favor in this case for no other

00:20:10.420 reason that I can see than political correctness and fearing the mob of the left who says, yes,

00:20:18.340 as young as six and seven years old, we have to start this social transition that ends in hormone

00:20:25.220 blockers and chemical castration because this kind of new social standard of gender bending is now what 1.00

00:20:37.120 we all have to accept and celebrate. And anyone who stands in the way of that is wrong and is a bigot

00:20:42.240 it must be stopped. And we if we care about our children, go ahead, they're so punitive about it,

00:20:48.960 right? You can't just have a disagreement. Somehow that makes you evil. If you disagree.

00:20:54.080 We would all do better if we can just take a minute and take a breath and recognize

00:20:58.580 the statistics show that over 80% of kids that struggle when their kids grow out of it.

00:21:04.900 Yeah, 75 to 95%. We're rendering these kids infertile. We're inhibiting their ability to

00:21:13.500 develop. We're changing their vocal cords. And God help you, if you're a young woman,

00:21:17.320 you have top surgery, you change your mind. Because now we have people that are already

00:21:20.720 detransitioning. This has been around a while. And so, you know, the courts have got to start taking

00:21:27.700 that into account. We, we, there was a case in Ohio where parents lost custody of their kid over

00:21:34.120 this. Right. And so, because the state said, no, she, you know, she wants to detransition. She wants

00:21:39.040 to transition and she must. And they said, no, we're her parents. We think that's not the right

00:21:43.140 thing. We think she'll grow out of it. And so, um, this is complicated. It's not going away.

00:21:49.620 Um, but Christians don't do people, don't do anyone, don't do our society, don't do future 1.00

00:21:54.800 generations any favors by just closing their eyes, looking away and refusing to weigh into the hard

00:22:01.580 story, the hard facts and the hard, um, issues of our day, whether it's abortion or other, other

00:22:07.960 issues. Amen. Can you talk to us just a little bit about, um, the Equality Act? I've talked about

00:22:14.060 this a little bit on my podcast, but I get questions about this all the time. And I get a lot of pushback

00:22:19.600 actually from people saying, no, it's totally fine. You can be on the left side of the political aisle.

00:22:24.240 You can be a mainstream Democrat and believe in the Bible and be a Christian, but that's 0.91

00:22:29.720 getting increasingly impossible, especially when you look at legislation like the Equality

00:22:33.760 Act. What are some of the effects that that piece of legislation could possibly have?

00:22:37.960 It's exactly the same of what I just, just talked about with a court case. It's basically

00:22:43.120 statutorily trying to do what they're, what the less trying to get to in the Harris case. And that is

00:22:48.260 to, to redefine sex, to not mean male and female, but to mean anything. And so then of course it has

00:22:55.900 implications for the safety, privacy and opportunity. I mean, the few little set asides

00:23:02.300 that women have in, in business no longer will just be for women. So, you know, again, that's why 0.99

00:23:09.820 like, you know, you have people that on the left and the right are like, wait a minute, it sounds

00:23:13.500 really good, but in practice there's consequences and the people that lose are women. And so, you 1.00

00:23:20.000 know, I understand that people, and I think that what people feel, you know, the most compassionate

00:23:25.940 about, and they should, are employment cases. And let me just say, I'm not in favor of firing

00:23:31.280 someone because of their sexual orientation or because of how they present or whatever, but

00:23:35.300 you do have to recognize that there's real life consequences to changing the, you know,

00:23:40.060 changing the law and redefining sex. And so it's really important that we, we take into

00:23:45.660 account everything that's going to happen, every, all the fallout from it. And you don't

00:23:51.000 get anywhere by, um, by penalizing women and denying the uniqueness of us, both, um, you know,

00:23:58.460 biologically, physiologically, and reproductively.

00:24:01.980 Yes. Especially for, I mean, the implications for religious organizations, for private schools,

00:24:06.600 for churches, for adoption centers are huge, are huge. And I think we saw this probably,

00:24:12.980 this is a little bit of a, of a different subject talking about the redefinition of marriage is not

00:24:18.360 just between a man and a woman, but, um, anyone of any gender or sex. Obergefell really has precipitated

00:24:24.940 a lot of this, a lot of this change. The sexual revolution has gone really fast. And we saw when,

00:24:31.280 uh, Obergefell said that marriage is a human right, no matter your sexual orientation,

00:24:36.800 we saw that there was going to be conflict between that belief, which you are free to believe in this

00:24:41.620 country and religious liberty, that there was going to be tension. And we are seeing that come to blows

00:24:46.840 right now. Right. So the Barinella Stetsman case that's getting ready to go before the Supreme Court

00:24:52.160 is, um, is the woman who, I believe it owns Arlene Flowers. I think I'm getting that,

00:24:57.100 that all correct. Um, and she was a florist. She had a long time, uh, client that she loved.

00:25:03.780 And she, he said, and she had, she had done flowers for him and during the courtship with,

00:25:08.800 with his now husband. And he, she, you know, she continued to give him flowers and then it came to

00:25:13.020 their wedding and he wanted her to do their wedding because she'd been part of the courtship.

00:25:16.380 And she said, you know what? I love you. And when this is all over, I hope you'll come back to me,

00:25:20.800 but I can't be part of your wedding because of my Christian beliefs. But here's three other,

00:25:24.540 other florists who would love to do it. And, um, I think it was actually the spouse that was the

00:25:30.040 most upset about it and put a post out. And the next thing you know, of course, the ACLU has their

00:25:35.080 case and, um, and now she's in court and she, the woman has been harassed nonstop. And she just simply 0.99

00:25:42.300 wanted to live out her belief and not allow, um, the government to compel her speech, compel her art.

00:25:50.200 And, and by the way, it is art, what she does. And we saw that similar case with the cake baker.

00:25:55.940 Right.

00:25:56.380 He said, look at this. And by the way, um, the, the Colorado case of the cake baker,

00:26:02.980 the owner of a masterpiece case, no one thinks that he doesn't mean it. Like this is a guy

00:26:08.560 who refuses to make Halloween cakes or bachelor party cakes. Like he's very clear. He can say,

00:26:14.880 he paints with a brush on his case. Um, he hosts, um, meetings for AA and his bakery and uses his

00:26:23.080 bakery for all sorts of black Christian ministry, cares for the homeless. Like this is a guy who's

00:26:28.040 very sincere and yet he's been harassed and is still being harassed by the Colorado Civil Rights

00:26:34.420 Commission. So it, it, one, by the way, I can't, I, I know this may have been Scalia that predicted

00:26:42.300 in a virgin fail that there would be consequences for believers. Now we're trying to work out what

00:26:46.940 does that mean? Is there space for people who are about believing, believing Christians in, in,

00:26:53.200 in living out their faith in their workplace? We say, yes, there is. And there must be the first

00:26:58.560 amendment guarantees it. Uh, according to Beto O'Rourke and really in one sense or the other,

00:27:05.220 I would say most, if not all of the democratic candidates, no, there's really not a place they

00:27:11.840 believe. Of course we know there is, but they believe that there's not a place for Christians

00:27:16.500 who actually believe the Bible actually live out their faith in modern society. Sure. You can be

00:27:23.260 a functioning agnostic and kind of believe in the Bible, but reject most of its premises and just

00:27:29.440 say, oh, you know, we can just tolerate everyone. Um, but you can't be, you cannot be a Christian who, 0.70

00:27:36.100 who follows, who follows biblical principles according to the left. You need to be silenced

00:27:41.260 and demonized and your organization needs to have your taxes exempt status taken away.

00:27:46.420 Oh, they would love that. Yeah. That's not going to happen though. Are there, are, are there any,

00:27:50.820 first off, Beto, like, are y'all going to come back to Texas when this is all over? Cause I really,

00:27:56.420 I think he's disgraced himself. I don't know. It's kind of confusing. Right. Um, but you're right.

00:28:01.340 I mean the, the whole, you know, the, it's amazing. I don't recognize Joe Biden anymore. He was a

00:28:07.300 different guy when he was a Senator and he has gone farther and farther to left. They no longer

00:28:11.860 supports the Hyde amendment and he's changes his position on so many things. I don't even recognize

00:28:17.140 him anymore. Um, but you, but it's right there, there's, there's a group and, and actually I don't

00:28:23.160 think they're mainstream. I think that the majority of people, whether you're a Democrat or Republican

00:28:28.200 recognize that people with sincere, sincerely held beliefs, um, need to be respected and there needs

00:28:36.180 to be a way to live that out and whatever, you know, whatever venue you're in, you don't check your

00:28:41.920 faith at the door when you walk into the schoolhouse. So when you walk into your businesses,

00:28:45.680 the Hobby Lobby case proved, or whether you're the little sisters of the poor, you need to be 0.93

00:28:50.640 able to live out your faith, whether it's through your, the way you spend your money, I would say

00:28:55.920 through your tax dollars, whether it's through, um, how your art is, uh, is, is spent and done or

00:29:03.640 whatever you do. Um, and the funny thing I think is though, Allie, and, and I'd be just in

00:29:09.540 what you say about this. I feel like they like it on some levels. Like they want us to mean

00:29:14.640 it when we read the Bible on some levels, but they, but not, not the parts that they disagree

00:29:19.820 with. So they love it that Christians think we should care for the poor, that we should, um, you 0.97

00:29:24.840 know, build hospitals, that we should care for orphans, that we should, you know, do all the things

00:29:29.820 that prison ministry, even, even prison ministry. I work for prison fellowship ministries and they

00:29:35.360 didn't really even mind us like sharing the gospel in prison because it's people that were

00:29:39.520 icky and they didn't care about them. Um, but, but when it comes down to when you kind of get up

00:29:45.140 against, again, sort of the leftist ideology, they just want us to be quiet. And then you have people

00:29:51.260 who are among us who are even our ilk that say, yeah, I think we should just be quiet. We can't say

00:29:56.400 anything. Right. I think that they're okay with Christians caring for the poor as long as the means

00:30:02.840 by which Christians care for the poor is voting for bigger government and higher taxes on the rich. 0.78

00:30:09.120 That's the kind of quote generosity, which is not generosity at all because it's coerced. That's the

00:30:14.700 kind of so-called Christianity that they think is correct. Communism in a lot of senses is what many

00:30:22.320 people, not all, but many people on the left view as, um, as Christian is really taking the wealth from

00:30:28.780 the top and giving it to the bottom. They don't really believe for the most part that individuals

00:30:33.940 are responsible for charity and taking care of other people that kind of diminishes their whole

00:30:39.300 totalitarian worldview. I've got one more question for you. Can you tell everyone who may not be aware

00:30:45.720 what the Trump administration has done in the way of, uh, religious liberty that, uh, Christians

00:30:52.780 should care about? So much, so much for one thing, and this is no small thing, they have liberated and

00:31:01.360 worked on behalf of Christians that are prison imprisoned around the world. Mike Pompeo and the

00:31:06.440 president have worked, whether it's, uh, um, pastor Brunson in Turkey, or whether it's Asia Bibi in

00:31:13.000 Pakistan, or, uh, we, there's a pastor now in China, pastor cow, who's being imprisoned, uh, Christians in 0.89

00:31:20.380 North Korea. They have been relentless in advocating for them, but also for our first amendment rights,

00:31:26.680 um, through executive order on campuses through, uh, they, they have entered into court cases on our

00:31:33.220 behalf. And unlike the Obama administration who did the opposite, whether, you know, the cake,

00:31:39.280 the masterpiece cake of it. So they have been very clear on the position of the, of our, uh, of the

00:31:45.880 Trump administration really taken the position that we've just talked about. That is our first

00:31:51.640 amendment rights to practice our faith, no matter where we are in this country, we must do it with

00:31:56.780 kindness. We must do it with charity, but also we still have values that we must protect and we must

00:32:02.840 have the ability to live that out in our day-to-day life. And they, the Trump administration has been

00:32:08.320 a champion. Um, did I mention the Duke, the, the Duke case, um, that Duke university just kicked young

00:32:16.000 life off their campus, right? Because of their position on marriage. Um, we're going to see more

00:32:22.040 and more of that, right? And there's going to be more and more of these cases. Again, Christians need 0.97

00:32:27.360 to understand, read up. If you don't understand, um, come to our website, read things that you've

00:32:34.100 written and, and others, uh, Ali, and just really understand and be able to lean in and advocate

00:32:40.820 strongly for our position. We're on, we are on the right side and we must speak up for ourselves.

00:32:47.460 Nobody else is going to do it. Then by the way, whether you're a Christian or whether you're a

00:32:51.160 Buddhist, whether you're Muslim, whether you're Uyghur, religious freedom is a first freedom in the

00:32:57.120 United States. And we have to stand firmly in favor of it. Yes. Can you tell everyone where they can

00:33:02.860 find you and Concerned Women for America? Um, ConcernedWomen.org. You can also follow us on

00:33:09.100 Twitter and Facebook and Instagram. And, you know, we just are so appreciative of what you're

00:33:14.180 doing. Thank you so much for having us, Ali. And I just, again, I love your podcast. You do a great

00:33:19.040 job. Thank you. And thank you for everything that you do. It makes a huge impact and I'm,

00:33:24.380 I'm very grateful for it. Thanks for joining me.

00:33:32.860 Thank you.

00:33:34.100 Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - October 25, 2019

Ep 179 ｜ Penny Nance

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