Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 185 ｜ An Unlikely Impeachment

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. I hope everyone has had a great week so far. It is

00:00:05.220 cold where I am. We have gotten like our first real winter cold front. I'm not dealing well

00:00:12.180 with that. I was in Florida earlier this week and it was beautiful and I wish I could have stayed

00:00:17.420 for a little bit longer, but I was just there for a few hours for a speaking engagement back home

00:00:21.960 and it is cold. But as I talked about on Instagram, it's also kind of inspired me to decorate for

00:00:29.780 Christmas earlier this year. I am typically a day after Thanksgiving person, like everything needs

00:00:35.280 to have its own season. But this year, I don't know if it's the cold weather. I don't know if

00:00:40.080 it's having a child. I'm just more excited about the holiday season. I've always liked Christmas,

00:00:45.060 but I don't know. I have a little bit more anticipation for it. So I've kind of started

00:00:49.120 to put some stuff up that'll happen after this week. This week has been and is a crazy week for

00:00:57.760 work, for travel, for all of that. After that's done, I'll have a little bit more time to be able

00:01:03.300 to sit back and relax and start enjoying the holiday season with our little baby girl. Okay,

00:01:08.260 today we are going to talk a little bit about impeachment and what is going on there. That's

00:01:13.380 something that some of you have been asking me about. It's also something I've kind of avoided a

00:01:17.840 little bit because I just don't find it quite as important as some other cultural,

00:01:25.840 social, political changes that are going on that I think speak more to the grand scheme of things

00:01:32.640 than this impeachment query and this entire saga. But it is obviously very important. It's been at

00:01:39.060 the forefront of the news cycle for a while now, about six weeks or probably, probably six or so

00:01:45.740 weeks. Yeah. So we're going to get into that today because some of you just have no idea what's going

00:01:50.100 on in it. And God bless you. You know, you haven't been spending time watching the news and scrolling

00:01:56.400 through Twitter all day and you have better things to do. And I fully appreciate and honor that. But I

00:02:03.600 am going to try to give you a very basic and pretty short rundown of the things that are going on. So at

00:02:08.740 least you have kind of like a cursory understanding of the happenings because it's all you're going to be

00:02:14.660 hearing about if you turn on the news, probably for at least the next couple or few weeks, who knows,

00:02:19.200 maybe for the next few months, maybe they'll keep on trying to impeach him until the 2020 election.

00:02:25.580 We're also going to talk about the death penalty. This is something a lot of you have asked me to

00:02:30.540 cover. I actually have talked about it before. I don't know, maybe it was in an episode about social

00:02:35.760 justice or biblical justice. I'm not sure. But a lot of you have asked me to do an entire episode on it.

00:02:41.680 I'm going to try to remember that this is an episode that I can send people back to when they

00:02:46.440 message me and ask me to talk about the death penalty. We're going to talk about how I personally

00:02:50.960 feel about it, just my opinion about it from a biblical perspective. There are differences in

00:02:55.980 opinion on that from a biblical perspective, but I'll give you my take on it specifically in relation

00:03:00.660 to the case of Rodney Reed. He is a man that was found guilty of murdering a young woman named Stacey

00:03:06.180 Stites in 1996. We're going to talk about this case and the and the death penalty in relation to him

00:03:14.160 and in general. OK, we're going to get into impeachment. I did want to mention that I'm

00:03:18.880 probably going to talk about I might try to talk about Epstein as well. That's another question that

00:03:23.720 I've been getting a lot. Can you tell me what's been going on? If you miss what I've realized and

00:03:28.560 this happens to me all of the time, it's not just people that are outside of the media. I guess I

00:03:32.800 would consider myself somewhat inside the media, although not, you know, obviously not your standard

00:03:39.560 journalist or anything like that. But what I've noticed, whether you're in or outside of the daily

00:03:45.420 news cycle, if you miss the initial story, like the initial breaking news and you don't follow

00:03:51.480 every detail every step of the way, by the time you look back at something and you read a summary of it

00:03:57.920 in really any major outlet, you're going to be missing a lot of details and you're going to have

00:04:03.200 a lot of questions about the things that have happened. That's true of the impeachment query.

00:04:08.060 That is true of the Epstein case. And so I'm going to try my best. I'm going to try my best to fill in

00:04:14.000 all of those details and answer at least just your basic questions about all of this. We know why the

00:04:21.920 Democrats want to impeach Trump. They don't like him. They don't want to run against him because even

00:04:26.960 though they don't like him, they've probably gained the awareness just a little bit that at least half

00:04:32.240 of the country likes him. And I think they also realize that they don't really have a candidate

00:04:36.360 on the Democratic side that they're excited about becoming the nominee. They don't really have a

00:04:40.680 candidate that they are absolutely confident could beat Donald Trump. I mean, that's why they're even

00:04:45.040 talking about Hillary Clinton reentering the race. That is a third presidential run because 1.00

00:04:49.680 out of their vast, vast array of candidates, they don't have one candidate that they feel like they

00:04:58.200 can put all of their energy and all of support, all of their support behind. There was a recent 538

00:05:03.580 poll. 538 is the blog by Nate Silver. Everyone follows for probabilities and things like that when

00:05:08.600 it comes to elections that said the number one, the number one issue for Democratic voters going into

00:05:14.680 2020. It's not healthcare, immigration, guns, anything like that. It is the ability to beat

00:05:21.060 Donald Trump. So that is what the Democrats care most about. That has a lot to do with why this

00:05:26.860 impeachment thing is going on. Of course, that's not what they're saying. They're saying there's

00:05:30.880 substance to it. And I'll let you decide that. I'll give you my opinion. I'll let you decide that.

00:05:34.900 But I want to give you the details so at least you know the case that they are attempting to make.

00:05:40.820 So all of this revolves around a phone call that the president of the United States had with the

00:05:45.600 president of Ukraine in July, where the president asked the president of Ukraine to investigate Joe

00:05:51.040 Biden. Now, around the same time, the United States withheld about a billion dollars, I believe it was,

00:05:56.880 in aid with Ukraine. This was all brought to our attention by a whistleblower. You've probably heard

00:06:02.040 the term whistleblower about a million times over the past few weeks. The release transcript of the call

00:06:07.100 doesn't show direct quid pro quo, but possibly the suggestion of it. But we'll even go into all

00:06:12.620 of that and whether or not that even matters. Here are the allegations against Biden that the

00:06:17.880 president of the United States wanted Ukraine to look into. This is why this is part of this so

00:06:25.240 called this alleged quid pro quo. So Joe Biden resided over dealings between the United States

00:06:30.980 and Ukraine during his tenure as vice president. And simultaneously, at the same time,

00:06:35.560 his son Hunter just happened to be appointed to the board of Ukrainian natural gas company making

00:06:42.020 $50,000 a month. So this is a company that according to CBS had connection with Ukrainian

00:06:48.740 oligarchs. And it's also important to note that Hunter Biden, as far as we know, has no experience in

00:06:56.240 the natural gas industry to speak of. And he has even said, you know, I probably wouldn't have gotten

00:07:00.400 this job if my last name wasn't Biden. That in itself isn't anything illegal. We might roll our

00:07:06.640 eyes at it, whatever. But that in and of itself doesn't necessarily point to corruption to Joe

00:07:12.420 Biden. So we have to keep going into this story. There was a prosecutor in Ukraine at the time named

00:07:17.880 Viktor Shokin. While Biden was vice president, that was investigating the company that Hunter Biden

00:07:24.300 was on the board of. Biden was instrumental in getting this getting Ukrainian authorities to

00:07:30.060 investigate and ultimately take down Shokin, this prosecutor for allegations of corruption against

00:07:36.140 him. According to The Hill in 2014, the U.S. threatened to withhold roughly $1 billion in loan

00:07:43.040 guarantees if Shokin was not replaced as prosecutor general, a message Joe Biden delivered to officials

00:07:49.300 in Kiev while serving as vice president and recounted during a 2018 Council on Foreign Relations

00:07:55.060 conference. So Trump is saying that that was a quid pro quo led by Joe Biden to protect his son

00:08:02.340 from a prosecutor who was investigating the company of which he, his son, served on the board.

00:08:08.260 Joe Biden denies this, of course. He says that he has never discussed any kind of business dealings

00:08:13.440 whatsoever with his son, that this was all just coincidental, that it was happening at the same

00:08:17.200 time. Wasn't in connection at all. That's a little bit sketchy, as you can imagine. You're probably

00:08:22.740 putting the pieces together and saying, oh, that doesn't really sound like a coincidence.

00:08:27.380 The interesting part is that you really have to dig. You really have to dig if you're reading

00:08:32.220 stories about this to even find these allegations against Joe Biden. If you read The New York Times,

00:08:38.420 for example, they have a recent story on all of this and it's titled Trump, Ukraine and impeachment.

00:08:43.760 The inside story of how we got here. They don't at all outline the allegations against Biden. They

00:08:50.400 say it like this. They asked the Ukrainians to investigate. That's the Trump administration

00:08:55.780 asked the Ukrainians to investigate unfounded allegations about former Vice President Joseph

00:09:01.360 R. Biden Jr., one of Mr. Trump's leading Democratic rivals. So they don't even say what the allegations

00:09:08.740 are. Same with CNN. If you look at the timeline, the recent timeline that they have for this impeachment

00:09:15.420 saga, you really have to keep on clicking on links over and over again or just start a whole new Google

00:09:20.840 search if you want to know what the accusations are against Joe Biden. And they've even said that.

00:09:26.060 We've heard members of the media say, actually, I think it was Cory Booker, so not a member of the

00:09:30.160 media, a presidential candidate. He has he said, why are we even talking about Joe Biden? It's offensive that

00:09:37.820 the media is even talking about Joe Biden. We shouldn't even be going into this at all. We

00:09:42.960 need to ignore anything that's going on with the Bidens and focus on President Trump. That's

00:09:46.700 obviously what the media is trying to do. So if you don't know what's going on and you're just the

00:09:52.000 average person trying to figure things out, you would have no idea. You would have no idea the

00:09:56.960 accusations over the dealings between Hunter Biden, Joe Biden and Ukraine. Biden is potentially

00:10:02.640 guilty here of bribery and extortion if a quid pro quo could be proven. He potentially withheld

00:10:09.600 American aid for his family's personal benefit. Trump is being accused basically of doing the

00:10:16.200 same thing for the sake of his election, withholding aid for an investigation into Biden,

00:10:21.200 which could benefit Trump in the election. It's not the quid pro quo that's the problem here.

00:10:26.480 That in and of itself is not illegal. A quid pro quo is pretty par for the course in foreign policy.

00:10:34.120 The question is whether or not Trump is using or withholding U.S. resources to directly benefit him

00:10:40.360 and his campaign, which would qualify as an illegal foreign campaign contribution.

00:10:47.180 Right now, that is impossible to prove. Why? Because Biden is not the nominee. He might be the nominee,

00:10:53.940 but he's not the nominee right now. We have no idea if he's going to be the nominee. It's looking good,

00:10:58.300 but there's no way for Trump to know that. Elizabeth Warren could very well be the nominee.

00:11:03.420 And so this investigation against Biden would have no benefit in that case to Donald Trump. So it is

00:11:09.480 very difficult to prove that this kind of quid pro quo isn't just about Biden's corruption, but is

00:11:15.340 actually in direct relation to Donald Trump and his campaign, which are going to see the New York

00:11:20.680 Times and a lot of left-leaning outlets. They are going to continue to call Joe Biden a political

00:11:25.140 rival. That might be true, but that's actually not provably true right now. He's not Donald Trump's

00:11:30.560 political rival. He's not the nominee. He is a presidential candidate among a lot of presidential

00:11:35.780 candidates, and we've got a long way to go in the primaries. We don't know what's going to happen,

00:11:39.560 so it's very difficult to prove that he is doing this in order to benefit his own campaign. It just

00:11:45.720 can't be proven right now, and it can't be quantified. Here's how Robert Ray of Time Magazine

00:11:51.120 online puts it. The problem for those pushing impeachment is that there appears to be insufficient

00:11:58.680 evidence to prove that Trump committed a crime. Unlawful quid pro quo is limited to those

00:12:04.020 arrangements that are corrupt. That is to say, only those that are clearly and unmistakably improper

00:12:10.220 and therefore illegal. But in the eyes of the law, the specific measurable benefit that an

00:12:15.660 investigation against the Bidens might bring Trump is nebulous. There is a serious question

00:12:21.000 as to whether it could ever constitute a criminally illegal foreign campaign contribution of personal

00:12:27.120 benefit to President Trump. Indeed, the Office of Legal Counsel and the Criminal Division at the Justice

00:12:32.420 Department apparently have already concluded that it couldn't. Just as important, the U.S. Supreme

00:12:37.940 Court and lower federal courts have struggled since at least the early 1990s with application of the

00:12:44.200 federal anti-corruption laws to situations like this, wherein in-kind benefit in the form of campaign

00:12:50.740 interference or assistance is alleged to be illegal. Robert Ray goes on to say, instead of President

00:12:57.600 Trump saying to his counterpart in Ukraine in words or substance, do me a favor, he would have had,

00:13:03.340 he would have have to have said, here's the deal, and followed up by explicitly linking an investigation

00:13:11.920 of the Bidens to the provision of U.S. military assistance. None of that, of course, as we saw in

00:13:17.760 the transcript, is what was said. He ends with this, it will be left instead to the U.S. Senate sitting as a

00:13:24.780 court of impeachment with the requisite neutrality and the nation's best interests in mind to render

00:13:30.740 judgment and put a stop to what is an undeniably and all but exclusively partisan effort to remove

00:13:37.700 this president from office. Time Magazine obviously is not a conservative publication.

00:13:43.540 So, is there a reason to impeach the president? I don't think so. I don't think there's a good case

00:13:49.680 to be made for it. Not in my opinion. Impeachment hearings are going forth. Obviously, it is not going

00:13:58.480 to go anywhere. I just don't think it's going to. I don't think that they have a good case to be made.

00:14:02.340 I think that they're hoping to come upon more things so that they will be able to bolster enough

00:14:08.240 support for this. I just don't think it's going to happen. So, that's my take on all of that. I hope

00:14:12.800 that answered at least your basic questions. We'll see what happens this week. It's going to be a clown

00:14:17.960 show as it always is. Okay, let's move on to Rodney Reed. His execution is set for November 0.94

00:14:25.680 20th. So, that's about a week away. But the Innocence Project and other criminal justice

00:14:31.260 organizations claim that they have found evidence that proves Reed is not guilty or at least brings

00:14:37.380 into serious question his guilt. So, they, along with the star power of Hollywood, even the Texas

00:14:43.520 legislature, are trying to stay his execution. I'm going to give you a warning now. What I'm about

00:14:49.640 to talk about should come with a trigger warning. Like, it is disturbing. I would not recommend

00:14:55.040 listening to this with kids in the car or if you yourself don't want to hear the details of his

00:15:01.240 crimes. It is, you shouldn't, you know, feel bad for that. There is a lot of, you know, graphic detail

00:15:07.040 on this that you might not necessarily want to listen to and that's okay. So, Rodney Reed is a black man

00:15:13.060 convicted of murdering a white woman. I hate to even have to give those details. Unfortunately, they have 0.97

00:15:18.380 been made pertinent. The, the celebrities and the people that are advocating for this have made the

00:15:25.240 racial component, the racial component of this case a very big deal. It's important to know that

00:15:30.780 a lot of the support for Rodney Reed is on the basis of current conversations about racial politics,

00:15:39.660 not on the basis of what actually happened 23 years ago. So, that's just important for us to know

00:15:45.920 when it comes to context. So, Stacey Stites, the victim, was found to have been vaginally raped and 1.00

00:15:51.940 strangled to death by her own belt while being anally raped. The DNA from the semen found in 0.82

00:15:57.860 Stites matched that of Rodney Reed. According to the Daily Wire, the effort to stay Reed's execution

00:16:04.320 is primarily due to Reed advocates and his legal team claiming a proper examination of forensic evidence

00:16:10.500 shows that Stites was killed hours before she and Reed could have crossed paths, the statesman

00:16:16.280 reported in July. That, of course, is up for debate, which is why this is being discussed right now on

00:16:22.640 social media and in the Texas legislature. Reed's DNA has been found in connection to not just Stites'

00:16:30.480 rape and murder, but in connection to five different violent rapes, all of them white women, one of whom

00:16:36.720 was a 12-year-old girl. So, he is a serial rapist and a child rapist. That doesn't prove that he 1.00

00:16:43.960 committed this particular crime, but he is a serial rapist. We know that much. According to court 0.99

00:16:50.520 documents, this is again in an article on the Daily Wire by Amanda Presta-Giacomo, a read began dating

00:16:58.200 Caroline Rivas, an intellectually disabled woman, court documents revealed. Rivas's caseworker noticed 1.00

00:17:04.140 bruises on Rivas's body and when asked about them, Rivas admitted that Reed would hurt her if she 0.97

00:17:09.760 would not have sex with him. Later, Rivas's caseworker noticed that Rivas was walking oddly 0.92

00:17:15.460 and sat down gingerly. The response to the Supreme Court petition said, Rivas admitted that Reed had,

00:17:22.080 the prior evening, hit her, called her vulgar names, and anally raped her. The samples from Rivas's rape 0.95

00:17:27.960 kit provided the link to Stites' murder. A read has been connected to the rapes of five other females,

00:17:34.660 including a 12-year-old girl. According to the court documents, the victim, only identified publicly

00:17:40.140 as AW, says she was blindfolded, gagged, beaten in orally, and vaginally and anally raped while she 0.88

00:17:47.060 was home alone. The foreign DNA from AW's rape kit was compared to Reed. Reed was not excluded and only

00:17:53.140 1 in 5.5 billion people would have the same foreign DNA profile from AW's rape kit. As noted by Breitbart

00:18:01.780 News' Brandon Darby, Reed has not been exonerated from the rape of the 12-year-old and a number of

00:18:06.860 other women, but such cases were likely not pursued because Reed was served with the death penalty. So 1.00

00:18:12.740 you have a lot of defenders of Reed saying, well, those cases were never, they were never pursued,

00:18:19.240 so they're not proven. Well, no, that's not true. The reason why they weren't fully pursued

00:18:23.460 is because he was already convicted with murder and he got the death penalty. There's really

00:18:28.620 no point. The mother of Reed's children claimed that he constantly physically abused her even while

00:18:34.800 pregnant and that he raped her frequently, even in front of their children. He is also accused of the

00:18:39.320 rape of a 19-year-old, Linda Schluter. According to court documents, he took her home one night and

00:18:45.940 tried to force her to give him a blowjob. When she refused, he said, I'm going to have to kill 1.00

00:18:50.860 you then, but a car drove by and apparently she was able to get away. He was accused of rape by 0.91

00:18:56.160 another 19-year-old named Connie York. He denied knowing her, then later claimed, yeah, I had sex 0.51

00:19:00.820 with her. She wanted it. So stand up, guy. But there is another point to consider. So there is another 0.97

00:19:06.420 part of this that people are examining. Stites was engaged to a police officer at the time named

00:19:11.280 Jimmy Fennell. And there's a theory that she was seeing Rodney Reed behind his back. Fennell was

00:19:18.920 later also found guilty of sexual assault and rape of another woman. And this theory that Stites was

00:19:26.880 actually having an affair with Rodney Reed while she was engaged to Fennell is something that his

00:19:32.080 defense has used and something that the Innocence Project has also used. But it's a theory that

00:19:37.140 Stites' own sister says is untrue. She does not believe that her sister Stacy was killed by her

00:19:42.480 fiance, Fennell. The Innocence Project and other reporters are going off of also a testimony of a

00:19:47.940 gang member and a fellow inmate of Jimmy Fennell. So he was, like I said, he was convicted of sexual

00:19:53.940 abuse and he was put into jail for 10 years. So a fellow inmate of Jimmy Fennell who claimed that

00:19:59.260 Fennell bragged about killing his inward loving fiance, the Innocence Project is using that testimony as

00:20:07.000 part of their defense of Rodney Reed. This theory of an affair between Stites and Reed has been

00:20:12.580 rejected not only by people that know Stites, but also by the jury in 16 courts without dissent.

00:20:18.680 So this whole story that is honestly just kind of, as far as we can tell, pulled out of thin air

00:20:25.120 that Stites and Reed were together and having consensual sex behind her fiance's back,

00:20:31.000 it has been rejected. It's been rejected by the jury. It's been rejected by 16 courts without

00:20:35.700 dissent. And yes, and yet it is being used as the alternative story to her murder by Reed.

00:20:42.760 The Innocence Project has also claimed or has also used Jim Clampett, a former sheriff's deputy,

00:20:48.900 who said that Stites' fiance said at her funeral that she got what she deserved.

00:20:53.780 We, of course, don't know that that's true. It clearly seems like Jimmy Fennell wasn't a great guy,

00:21:00.160 considering that he was charged, that he was convicted with sexual abuse and served 10 years for that.

00:21:05.320 Apparently, there have been other women who have come out and said that he has been abusive towards

00:21:09.660 them. So also not a great guy. Now, of course, neither Reed's nor Fennell's backgrounds make

00:21:16.060 them guilty of this crime. But I don't see, I don't see how the evidence of Reed's semen in her abused

00:21:23.900 and murdered body aren't evidence enough. And yes, it does matter that he was found a connection to

00:21:30.140 multiple cases of abuse and rape. Of course, that matters. He wasn't charged on those things,

00:21:35.020 because as we already said, he was given the death penalty for his murder, but the DNA matched.

00:21:42.300 So the question remains, no matter which side you land on his innocence or his guilt, the question

00:21:48.320 remains, should we be okay with the death penalty, regardless of whether or not someone is innocent

00:21:54.160 or guilty? And I can speak from a Christian perspective. There's a libertarian perspective

00:21:58.720 that says that it's too expensive for us to execute criminals. I guess the argument is that we should

00:22:05.260 just let them live and die in prison for 50 plus years. But the Christian perspective on the death 0.94

00:22:13.720 penalty is that yes, there were instances in which the death penalty was not just recommended,

00:22:19.760 but actually commanded in the Old Testament. And one of those instances was murder. If you murdered a

00:22:26.560 man in cold blood, if you murdered an innocent man, there's a difference even in the Bible between 0.99

00:22:31.820 manslaughter and murder, then you deserve the death penalty. And a lot of people say, well,

00:22:37.540 that's not compassionate. We're supposed to be pro-life from the womb to the tomb. You can be pro-life

00:22:42.560 from the womb to the tomb and still say, hey, death penalty is the just punishment for certain crimes.

00:22:50.360 And I think it's wrong to look at the death penalty, especially one that is condoned by God in the

00:22:56.420 Old Testament as a degradation of human life that we don't believe that image bearers of God have value. 0.94

00:23:04.420 That's not the case. That's not the case at all. Actually, how we should look at it is that God

00:23:08.900 cares about life so much. He cares about innocent life so much that the only just cost for killing an

00:23:18.140 innocent life is your own life. That's how much God cares about the innocent. That's how much God

00:23:23.500 cares about human beings. That's how much God cares about murder is that he says, this is the only way

00:23:29.720 to make up for this with your own life. That is not just a God of justice. It's a God of mercy and

00:23:36.500 compassion and a defender and an advocate of the innocent. We should look at the intensity of the

00:23:42.940 punishment for a crime like murder that God prescribes and say, wow, God really cares. God

00:23:49.800 really cares about innocent life. He really hates murder. If he is willing, if he is able to say

00:23:55.940 that this is the only just punishment, the taking of someone else's life who took another person's

00:24:00.900 life, an innocent person's life, then we know that he really hates. He hates the sin of murder and the

00:24:07.780 crime of murder, and he takes it very seriously. Now, of course, there are some caveats to that.

00:24:14.480 Christians should always care about truth. We should always care about innocence. We should always want 0.71

00:24:19.560 to do further digging. And if it came up that it really is, it really is believable that Reed did not

00:24:25.840 commit this crime, then we should care about that. And we should try to stay his execution.

00:24:31.200 I personally am not so sure that the evidence points to him being innocent at this point,

00:24:36.280 especially with the connection of the DNA. But if further evidence does come up and it looks like,

00:24:41.980 okay, this guy didn't actually commit this crime. It doesn't matter if he committed the other crimes.

00:24:45.880 He didn't commit this crime that he got the death penalty for. Then yes, Christians, of course, 1.00

00:24:49.740 we should care about that. We care about truth. We care about the defense of the innocent,

00:24:53.520 just like God does. And so we should always be hesitant and we should always be careful. We

00:24:59.160 should always be cautious when it comes to prescribing the death penalty, because that's

00:25:03.060 a really big deal to kill someone who didn't commit the crime that they were actually convicted for.

00:25:09.040 And so we should be hesitant, I think. We should be hesitant to give that as the just punishment,

00:25:18.580 to give the death penalty as the payment for the crime that they committed, because we don't want

00:25:25.420 to make that mistake. Human life is valuable, and we should be slow to kill an image bearer of God.

00:25:31.880 I think it all depends on whether or not we can, beyond a shadow of a doubt, prove this person

00:25:37.340 committed the crime that is actually worthy of the death penalty. Now, I do understand the argument.

00:25:42.480 I understand the argument of being against the death penalty. That's okay. I think that there's an 0.89

00:25:46.760 argument to be made for that. I don't think this is like a salvation issue, that if Christians 0.93

00:25:50.660 disagree on this, that one of them is more Christian than the other. I don't think that at

00:25:56.900 all. One argument that does really bother me is when I hear that you can't be pro-life if you are

00:26:02.660 pro-death penalty. Well, no, there's no hypocrisy in that at all. Of course, you can believe that the

00:26:06.700 just execution of someone who murdered someone else is righteous without believing that the death

00:26:14.560 penalty for an innocent baby is righteous. Of course, you can be for justice for murderers and

00:26:22.120 still be for the preservation and the protection of innocent babies inside the womb. Of course,

00:26:28.760 that doesn't make any sense. Now, it is hypocritical to be against the death penalty for murderers, 0.93

00:26:33.540 but to be for the death penalty for unborn children. That is hypocritical. But the other way around is not 0.99

00:26:38.500 hypocritical. Again, I think within the Christian community, we can have conversations about the death

00:26:43.500 penalty and what it should look like from a Christian perspective. I don't think that there's a good 1.00

00:26:48.800 argument against it. I don't think that you can say outright that the Bible says that we shouldn't

00:26:54.800 have a death penalty for murderers. We can maybe have a nuanced conversation about it, but I think

00:27:01.200 it's difficult to find the biblical support for that, to say that everyone, no matter what, needs to be

00:27:07.620 against the death penalty in order to be a good Christian. There is also this infatuation, there

00:27:14.120 seems to be, and it happens mostly, I would say, on the left side of the aisle, this infatuation

00:27:19.680 with criminals. Now, like I said, Christians should care about justice. We should care about truth.

00:27:26.000 But I don't know. I don't know that we always need to, that we always need to jump into these

00:27:34.120 media firestorms as soon as they happen about someone's alleged innocence just because it

00:27:39.600 happens to be trendy right now. I think that we do need to take a step back and say, okay,

00:27:43.800 what actually happened? What did the court documents actually say? Brandon Darby, who writes for Breitbart,

00:27:49.720 he tweeted the court documents. You can go to his Twitter page and you can read all of those for

00:27:54.880 yourself and you can come to your own conclusions. But I do think that we should be very hesitant.

00:27:59.420 We should take a step back and say, okay, what's really true here? And we should always try to be on

00:28:03.760 the side of truth. We too shouldn't be on, uh, shouldn't be making this about current political

00:28:09.120 or racial conversations. We should base it on what is true and therefore what is just.

00:28:14.580 Okay. I do just want to touch on the Epstein thing really quickly. So everyone knows Epstein,

00:28:20.160 gross guy. He physically trafficked young girls and he had all of these important people over to his 0.97

00:28:25.200 house to have these sexcapades, these orgies basically with these teenage girls. He was a serial 0.98

00:28:30.900 abuser, rapist, pedophile, disgusting guy. And really people have known about this for a long 1.00

00:28:38.080 time. He's important. He's a billionaire. And so it's kind of just been pushed under the rug.

00:28:44.560 And actually there was a reporter at ABC who had this story three years ago and she had an interview

00:28:50.400 and she was caught on a hot mic saying that, uh, ABC wouldn't let her release the story. So I'm

00:28:57.640 going to let you listen to that now. I've had the story for three years. I've had this interview

00:29:02.280 with Virginia Roberts. We would not put it on the air. Um, first of all, I was told who's Jeffrey

00:29:06.960 Epstein. No one knows who that is. This is a stupid story. Um, then the palace found out that we

00:29:12.540 had her whole allegations about Prince Andrew and threatened us a million different ways. Um,

00:29:19.060 we were so afraid we wouldn't be able to interview Kate and Will that we, that also quashed the story.

00:29:25.260 And then, um, and then Alan Dershowitz was also implicated in it because of the planes.

00:29:31.000 She told me everything. She had pictures. She had everything. She was in hiding for 12 years.

00:29:35.680 We convinced her to come out. We convinced her to talk to us. Um, it was unbelievable what we had

00:29:40.800 Clinton. We had everything. I, I tried for three years to get it on to no avail. And now it's all

00:29:48.820 coming out and it's like these new revelations. And I freaking had all of it. I I'm so pissed right

00:29:55.400 now. Like every day I get more and more pissed. Cause I'm just like, Oh my God, we, it was what we

00:30:01.480 had was unreal. So that was released by project Veritas and it has caused quite the reaction.

00:30:09.420 As you can imagine why ABC would push something like this down. And they actually tracked down who

00:30:18.200 they think released this hot mic film or this hot mic footage. And they found out that the person who

00:30:26.960 they thought released the footage now works at CBS. They told CBS and CBS fired this poor girl. And the 0.99

00:30:33.400 poor girl says, look, I wasn't even the one who released the footage, but even if she were, 0.83

00:30:38.220 wouldn't she be considered a whistleblower that they should protect and that they should CBS 1.00

00:30:42.860 especially should be proud of? No, that's not how it works because they have to protect their own.

00:30:49.100 And so that's kind of what's going on with that is why did ABC push down this story? Why did CBS

00:30:54.580 agree to fire this girl? I mean, it's pretty crazy. And we're going to talk more about project Veritas and

00:31:01.300 everything they found pretty soon. But, uh, also there's the whole thing about Jeffrey Epstein,

00:31:07.260 not actually killing himself. It was reported a few weeks ago that he had killed himself in his

00:31:12.180 cell. And everyone was like, how is that? How is that possible? This is a high security prison.

00:31:18.020 How is it even feasible that he could get away with hanging himself? He was on suicide watch.

00:31:23.440 So how did this happen? So the whole theory has been that he was actually murdered, that he was killed

00:31:28.900 by someone connected to one of the high powered men that he had allowed to sleep with all of these

00:31:35.760 girls that he had in his mansion in Florida because they didn't want him to testify and out them. And

00:31:41.320 so that's the theory. People are still trying to get to the bottom of that. I don't know. Apparently

00:31:45.800 the autopsy does not point to him killing himself. There is like a legitimate, there's a legitimate

00:31:52.380 reason to believe that he actually didn't commit suicide, which is crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy.

00:31:58.400 I mean, obviously it's better off that he is dead unless he repented and came to Christ. We know

00:32:03.220 exactly where he is. He is getting what he deserves. And that, that, in that sense,

00:32:09.780 we can be glad that justice is served, but I do think we should get to the bottom of it because

00:32:14.680 there are a lot of people in connection to this that need to be held accountable. Okay. That's

00:32:19.400 all I have for today. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. I hope I gave you a good understanding

00:32:23.800 about some of the hottest topics that are going on. I will be back here on Friday with a really

00:32:28.940 exciting interview and I will see you guys then.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - November 13, 2019

Ep 185 ｜ An Unlikely Impeachment

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