Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 186 ｜ Sex Change Regret： Walt Heyer

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to the podcast. I hope everyone has had a wonderful week. Happy Friday. Today

00:00:05.160 I'm talking to Walt Heyer. You might've heard of him. He used to be transgender, then he

00:00:11.080 transitioned and then he de-transitioned and he helps people who regret their transition

00:00:16.360 mostly, but also people who are struggling with body dysmorphia and the different things

00:00:21.240 associated with transgenderism. So I am going to talk to him today. Amazing conversation,

00:00:27.760 amazing person. I'm so excited for you to listen to it. Without further ado, here he is.

00:00:32.120 Mr. Heyer, thank you so much for joining me. Sure. Can you tell everyone who might not know,

00:00:37.640 although I think a lot of people, especially recently have become familiar with your story,

00:00:41.960 can you just tell an overview of who you are and now what you do? Yeah. Well, I started out as a

00:00:49.020 four-year-old, what we would call trans kid and went through that whole thing and they didn't have 0.99

00:00:55.400 any terms like gender dysphoria and all that stuff in those days or just confuse kids. Yeah. And so,

00:01:03.580 but by the time I was 42, reached out for help, actually 38, reached out for help and the gender

00:01:12.080 clinic or gender guy that I went to said, well, you need hormone therapy and gender reassignment 0.84

00:01:17.880 surgery. And there's nobody else around saying anything different. You couldn't find anybody.

00:01:22.220 They just sort of scratched their head and say, oh, okay, well, maybe that's it. You know,

00:01:27.860 this was 1981. So it was quite a long time ago. Right. So, so after two years of being on hormone

00:01:37.780 therapy, divorcing my wife and leaving my kids and job and all that, I underwent gender reassignment

00:01:43.680 surgery in April, 1983. And, um, then I spent my life working for the federal government at that

00:01:51.760 time, FDIC and the postal service and lived in San Francisco and, um, went to UC Santa Cruz and studied

00:01:59.960 psychology. And I began to realize from looking at the psychology books that people identify as a

00:02:06.420 transgender, even many years ago, uh, they found that they had, uh, mental disorders of some type.

00:02:13.260 Um, and, uh, some of them were sexual, some of them were social, some of them were psychological

00:02:19.240 and some were emotional. Um, and some of them resulted from abuse or neglect or broken homes or

00:02:26.300 all kinds of different things. There's not any one thing that you can put your thumb on and say,

00:02:31.440 you know, if this happens, you're going to be a transgender. It's not like that. It's just that, 0.55

00:02:35.420 um, the people who end up identifying as transgender, you really don't like who they are. 1.00

00:02:41.740 They don't feel comfortable in their body. And then, um, and I'm one of those people. My was

00:02:47.800 cross-dressed and as a result of being cross-dressed, I was sexually abused, emotionally abused and

00:02:53.580 physically abused. So you wouldn't like yourself when I was young, you know? And so, um, people who have

00:03:01.400 those things happen to themselves don't particularly like being the person who's being abused. So you

00:03:07.320 want to be somebody different. The only problem is now that I've worked with hundreds, probably

00:03:13.900 more than hundreds, but worked with hundreds of people. I realized that if we really gave some time,

00:03:20.240 uh, to these people who are really struggling, um, that we could probably uncover what's going on

00:03:27.180 and help them understand why they feel the way they feel and actually spend some time with them

00:03:33.160 and avoid, uh, unnecessary hormone therapy and surgery. So, um, that's what I do. Mostly,

00:03:39.460 uh, I get people who've already been through it and, uh, wish they had not done it and want help to

00:03:48.240 detransition. I've got one right now that I'm working on. Who's just a year after he's 19,

00:03:53.660 had surgery at 18 and he regrets it and he said it never should have happened. They started him on

00:03:59.320 hormones when he was 15 and, uh, his life is ruined. His body's ruined. They've completely

00:04:05.280 reconstructed his body. And so, and then I've got a 21 year old girl who's same, same thing. She 0.99

00:04:12.800 transitioned at 18 and she regretted it at 20. And so I'm getting a lot more young people, uh, who've

00:04:21.520 been, um, who've thought they were transgender guided to think so. Um, because there's really 1.00

00:04:28.200 nobody out there saying, uh, maybe you should kind of reconsider that and think that it may be

00:04:33.340 something else that we really can't have that many people who are, who really need to have their body

00:04:40.220 remade and readjusted and all that. So there's gotta be something behind it. So I help, uh, people every

00:04:46.860 day. And, um, and I try to raise awareness on it with the publications that I write in the six books

00:04:53.580 about to be seven books. Um, and so that's what I do. I, I help people and I do it for free.

00:05:01.260 They contact me and I work with them as best I can. And I work with people all over the world.

00:05:06.740 Right. And when you were a child, it was your grandmother, correct?

00:05:10.440 Yeah. Who cross-dressed you. Uh, at what point when you were that little, obviously you probably

00:05:17.400 didn't really know what was going on or you didn't have the words to articulate what was going on.

00:05:22.460 When did you start feeling confused about your gender? When did you realize, okay,

00:05:29.200 some, something's not right. I'm not really comfortable.

00:05:33.120 Probably, uh, you know, after a few months or a year, you start to wonder,

00:05:39.020 you know, um, was I born wrong? What's, why does grandma only like me when I'm dressed up?

00:05:46.320 Um, and I think people become addicted to the affirmation, you know, who doesn't like to be

00:05:51.520 affirmed? Right. Especially children. Oh, absolutely. And, you know, children are, are, um,

00:05:58.580 delightfully narcissistic. You know, they like to be the center of attention. They're wonderful that way.

00:06:03.620 That's not a, that's not a harp on them as they need that attention, but they need good attention.

00:06:09.240 They need positive attention and not, uh, somebody telling them that there's something wrong with you

00:06:15.300 and you need to change gender. So I think that's the, the, the real point to this is that when we 0.97

00:06:20.800 tell somebody that they can change genders or that they could be a different gender, what we're also

00:06:27.100 saying at the very same time is without realizing it, we're telling them there's something wrong with

00:06:32.240 you. Right. And, and I think that's where, um, I become quite disturbed about people telling their

00:06:40.120 children or something wrong with you. You, you know, Johnny can become Judy and, you know, it's

00:06:46.080 really kind of insane. Um, and you know, I just want to slap the parent's face. It's like, uh, stop it. 0.99

00:06:53.920 Yeah. Do you, do you have any, any idea why your grandmother had, had that idea to cross dress you?

00:07:02.380 I, I, well, she was, she made dresses. That was her job, her business. And so she just made me a

00:07:09.140 purple chiffon dress. I mean, that's what she did for a living. She had her sewing machines in the 1.00

00:07:14.940 house and she had women coming over and she'd measure them and make dresses for them. And she just 1.00

00:07:19.760 decided to make me one. So I think we got to really, um, in, in a climate, even in the 1940s,

00:07:27.100 where it wasn't so power driven by gender issues, um, the influence on a young child of putting them 1.00

00:07:34.880 in a dress is really child abuse. And I think any parent who, um, puts their kid in opposite gender 1.00

00:07:43.520 clothes and affirms them, tell them how cute they look. Oh yeah, you can do it. I personally think

00:07:48.120 it's child abuse because the consequences, uh, of doing that causes them to move on to maybe

00:07:57.840 hormone blockers, surgery and other things. And what we know is today that, uh, people who actually

00:08:05.020 transition are 18 times more likely to commit suicide than, uh, the general population. We really

00:08:12.840 need to spend a lot more time, uh, talking to, uh, these young individuals, um, and older ones is for

00:08:20.760 that matter, uh, which I spend time doing their forties, fifties, sixties, and even seventies who think

00:08:26.680 they've been troubled by this. But the, the, what we're really dealing with today, I'm afraid to say

00:08:32.940 is, um, Allie is that there's, um, it's a social contagion. What we've developed is this whole,

00:08:39.240 whole community of people who want to join the transgender movement and they don't have gender

00:08:46.660 dysphoria. They're really not transgender, but they can get access to hormone therapy.

00:08:52.620 And that's what's happening to the young people who are, um, sort of crashing and burning after they

00:08:58.720 go through these, um, you know, surgical and hormonal operations. They're out of school,

00:09:04.640 they're off on their own. And then they look in the mirror and they go, man, what have I done to my

00:09:08.360 life? And, and my community of support, which was at school or maybe college is gone. And now they're

00:09:15.020 left with the consequences of being a guided, affirmed, supported, and given all this direction

00:09:22.080 to change genders. And they go, that was a mistake. And, uh, so I think I'm seeing a lot more people, 0.99

00:09:29.680 uh, de-transitioning or wish, wishing they hadn't done it. And some of them are just staying,

00:09:36.020 you know, without de-transition. You're just saying, man, it was a mistake and I don't know

00:09:40.580 how to go back. I don't feel like I can go back. You know, my body's, uh, been torn apart and

00:09:46.160 psychologically and emotionally, um, that is far worse than if they never had anything done.

00:09:53.660 Why do you think it is? Because I think you're right there. There is, uh, actually a study out

00:10:00.500 of Brown university that talked about rapid onset gender dysphoria and talked about the possibility

00:10:05.660 of there being a social element to it, especially in teenagers that usually it starts with someone

00:10:11.000 who feels misunderstood in general. A lot of times these people are on the autism spectrum.

00:10:15.220 They find some kind of community online on places like Tumblr. And it's all, it's almost like it

00:10:21.820 becomes a trend or it becomes a new identity for them in which they feel understood in being

00:10:28.000 misunderstood. If that makes sense. Why is it that this is scandalous to bring up? Why is it scandalous

00:10:34.520 to talk about? Why don't doctors say, Hey, we need to be a little bit patient with this while,

00:10:39.620 especially while this person is young and look at the different factors that could be leading,

00:10:44.960 leading to it. Why are we so quick to say, okay, hormone blockers and surgery?

00:10:49.920 Yeah. Well, there's a real powerful group of people who are, uh, guiding this in the schools.

00:10:56.300 And if you'll notice in our schools, there's no opposition to giving kids books and trying to help

00:11:02.460 them transition. Um, so the same things happening today really has happened to me. I couldn't find any

00:11:09.200 opposition to, uh, what I was doing when I went in 1981 to a psychologist and they've sort of held

00:11:15.860 their ground on not allowing anybody to come in and have a different voice. And frankly, that's why

00:11:21.320 they dislike me so much. Um, which I don't particularly care. Um, they, that's kind of

00:11:27.180 wonderful. Actually. I feel like if they dislike me, I must be doing something right. Yes, definitely.

00:11:31.840 So, um, so the rapid onset thing I look at a little differently. It's just, it's just a social

00:11:37.740 contagion. Uh, kids want to join groups. I mean, you can go back and look at the goth period and,

00:11:45.000 you know, kids were running around with all black and they lived in kids like to join groups. I mean, 0.66

00:11:51.240 this is how they, I did, you know, when I was in school, you know, kids wore leather jackets and,

00:11:57.700 and we all look the same, you know, isn't that, I always say this so interesting, everybody's trying

00:12:02.480 to be different and they trying to be different. They all end up looking the same. Right. Right.

00:12:08.760 And I'm hoping that the pendulum will swing that direction to where something like being transgender 1.00

00:12:14.680 is no longer, no longer gives you the same political and social capital as it does today.

00:12:19.920 It's no longer quite as unique or, uh, or attaches you to this kind of marginalized group. So it doesn't

00:12:28.460 give you the same kind of benefits. I'm hoping that as that happens, it will be less attractive

00:12:33.760 for people, especially people who don't have gender dysphoria at all, and are just looking

00:12:37.960 for a social group to, to be a part of. That's my hope. Um, I'm wondering for you and your life,

00:12:44.700 you, so you were cross-dressed as, um, as a child and then you lived though, as a man dressed like a

00:12:51.280 man until you were 38 to 42. Well, I cross-dressed from the time that grandma put me in that dress

00:12:57.840 publicly. Yes. Sometimes. Yeah. And did your parents have anything to say about that? Um,

00:13:04.800 they didn't like it and you know, but that was about all they could say. I didn't, they don't

00:13:09.880 like it. And you got, but you got married and you had kids. Yeah. And I still was cross-dressing.

00:13:15.540 And when did you realize, okay, I'm just too uncomfortable in my body or you felt like that?

00:13:21.860 What made you seek out help? I think there's this, when you're sexually abused as a young child 0.62

00:13:29.360 and you've been cross-dressed for a period of time and you're confused about who you are, there's,

00:13:35.380 there's a situation which I've run into with the vast majority of the people that I work with who've

00:13:40.800 been sexually abused. And while this may be uncomfortable to say, it's just a fact, uh, that

00:13:46.380 happens. Kids who are sexually abused at a young age, uh, all the way up into their early teens,

00:13:53.340 when they're abused, whether it's a boy being abused by a man, his defense mechanism 0.87

00:14:00.000 is to remove his genitalia so that he won't be sexually abused again. So it's not so much that 0.88

00:14:08.600 they want to change genders. It's just that they want to remove what's being, what's being 1.00

00:14:14.780 attracted to them as abuse situation. Girls, on the other hand, who are sexually abused, 0.99

00:14:20.860 want to look like a man or dress like a man as a way to be, uh, show defense against anybody

00:14:28.500 thinking that they're beautiful or attractive, uh, so that they won't be sexually abused. So

00:14:33.060 in many of these cases, I would say nearly 50% of them, this is actually not that they want to

00:14:39.300 become a different gender. It's more of a way to have a defense mechanism against being sexually 1.00

00:14:44.760 abused again by a predator who thinks it's fun for them to use you as a sex toy. 0.95

00:14:51.100 And why aren't other, why aren't other people in your field picking up on this and saying this? I 0.99

00:14:56.140 mean, it's some, for some people, it's literally a matter of life and death. Uh, we know that this

00:15:02.080 is what's happening, that you can transition and still not feel comfortable in your body. Suicide

00:15:06.520 rates stay about the same after you transition as when, as before. So why, what, what's, I mean,

00:15:12.840 I know you said that there are powerful people that are pushing this in schools, but it seems to me

00:15:17.720 like there would be more doctors at least saying, hang on, this is a little bit too crazy. This is

00:15:23.880 not healthy. Children are, uh, permanently maimed because of this. Let's at least take a step back

00:15:30.480 and have a conversation about whether or not we are pursuing the best solutions. But it seems like

00:15:36.120 you are the voice crying out in the wilderness and everyone, even this video will get censored.

00:15:40.800 People will talk about this interview as being hateful towards the trans community. Yeah. Why?

00:15:48.780 Yeah. Well, here's the thing you take, uh, as an example, a professor at a university had been

00:15:54.740 there for years. He's a child psychologist and psychiatrist, and he did just what you said.

00:16:00.180 He came out and said, you know, this, what we really need to be doing is trying to identify

00:16:04.860 what's causing them to think that they're different and that they want to change. Now this guy has got

00:16:11.680 credentials that are about 10 feet tall. The guy's brilliant. He's probably one of the best in the

00:16:16.980 country. They fired him. Wow. So that's why people don't speak out. I had an endocrinologist I

00:16:24.000 communicated with on Monday and Tuesday who I want him to help with someone who, uh, is, who is

00:16:30.900 de-transitioning. And he says, you know, now that I've come out and said that I'm not an affirming,

00:16:37.480 uh, endocrinologist, my practice is dying because they're, uh, they're coming after me. So they use the,

00:16:46.640 the reason why people aren't speaking out is because their practices are being ruined.

00:16:50.480 Their reputations are being ruined. They're being fired from jobs that they've had. I know

00:16:56.040 two or three personal people that I've actually spoken with. There are probably some of the brightest

00:17:01.720 minds in the country or have been fired or removed from their job in this community so that they can't

00:17:10.800 speak out against it. And this is what is happening throughout the world on this. And the difference

00:17:16.900 with me is I don't have a job. My boss is Jesus and nobody's going to fire him. So if they want to go

00:17:23.960 get him, go get him, you know, um, so, you know, I can speak out. I don't have a job. I can't get

00:17:30.320 fired. Um, I make as much money off of doing this as you're paying me to be on here. Yeah. Uh, which

00:17:37.040 for the record, by the way, is, is nothing for people listening. He graciously has donated his time

00:17:42.620 to this podcast. Um, can you talk to me at all about what you know about this James Younger case

00:17:49.060 in Texas? It was actually, I think you wrote the article for the Federalist last year that I first

00:17:55.080 read about that, uh, brought to my attention what's going on. And obviously you've probably noticed

00:18:00.760 it's blown up in the news over the past few weeks. And there is, uh, a joint parenting agreement now

00:18:08.560 between the two, but she seems to not be relenting. I mean, she is continuing to assist

00:18:13.480 that it's abuse that the dad is allowing James to dress like a boy, not calling him Luna and things

00:18:19.340 like that. Um, do you have, I don't know, any insider analysis that you can share with us?

00:18:24.640 I have a great deal of insight on it. I was actually in Texas when the father came up to me,

00:18:28.400 I was at a conference and he came up to me and said, can you, uh, write, uh, an article about,

00:18:34.160 uh, my son and this divorce thing that I'm going through. And I said, yes. And that was in November

00:18:40.200 of 2018. I wrote the article. Uh, he said he was trying to raise some money for legal fees because

00:18:46.920 his wife, um, had called up his job and had him terminated. There's another one where he got

00:18:53.720 terminated. They said that he was, she told his company that he was working for that he was abusing

00:18:59.420 his child. So they fired him. Wow. And so, um, I wrote the article raised 60,000 with the first

00:19:05.740 article published in November of 2018. Um, it, it got, they got a million hits to the server of

00:19:12.960 save James and it crashed the server. The article had that much action. And so I've been following,

00:19:19.300 um, uh, Jeff Younger and James and, um, his brother Jude. I've been to the house. I've, uh,

00:19:26.540 had dinner with them. We, my wife and I have spent time with them. I've ridden in the car.

00:19:30.520 I've gone over to the mother's house with, uh, uh, the father and spent time with the kid. The kid

00:19:36.760 doesn't have gender dysphoria. He doesn't want to be a girl. Uh, the mom's, uh, a pediatrician who

00:19:42.780 wants her practice to be a rainbow trans kid practice. And she wants to use James as the poster boy 0.82

00:19:51.440 to show how you can do this. And James really doesn't want any part of it. So recently with this

00:19:57.980 new, um, thing where they're shared custody, which never had happened before, uh, James goes to school

00:20:05.640 as a boy. He doesn't, he never wanted to be Luna. That was mom's idea, not James's idea. So, um,

00:20:11.980 this is probably one of the most egregious child abuse cases, uh, that I've seen. I, and the mom,

00:20:19.140 um, really should be, um, I think should lose her license to practice. Um, she's not fit. Um, 1.00

00:20:27.080 anybody who does this to a child and, and deliberately, um, is persuading him and to,

00:20:35.860 to go to school at beforehand, um, she was as Luna. And you know where the word Luna came from

00:20:42.580 to give you an idea of what the mother's like. She, um, keep in mind, these are in vitro kids. 1.00

00:20:48.480 She's never had, um, childbearing has always been in vitro for her. So she has other children in

00:20:54.840 vitro as well. The other children are always called, um, James a lunatic. You're a lunatic. 0.98

00:21:02.000 You're a lunatic. So the mother decided that she would take the word lunatic and use Luna as his 1.00

00:21:09.720 girl name. How encouraging. Isn't that wonderful? I mean, uh, if that should tell you pretty much, 0.68

00:21:16.220 uh, the mindset of mother who thinks, uh, actually she's the lunatic, um, in my view.

00:21:24.300 So yes, I, I think there, uh, this is still a horrible case, uh, because the kids thrown between

00:21:32.240 mom and dad and mom is going to pursue this. And she probably has, uh, unlimited funds from

00:21:39.040 the LGBT to fight dad in court, which dad doesn't have. So I think mom potentially, uh, if a lot of

00:21:48.000 people don't get behind Jeff Younger potentially has a much greater war chest to battle this in court.

00:21:54.360 Probably. So she has a louder one. I mean, there are a lot of people, if you have, uh, noticed it

00:22:00.540 all in the last few weeks that have talked so much about this, uh, that even got the attention of,

00:22:07.380 uh, governor Greg Abbott, the conservative side is just incensed over this. I mean, it's one thing

00:22:12.340 we already disagree with this idea that, uh, gender reassignment surgery is the answer and the

00:22:18.760 solution to people who are confused or uncomfortable with their bodies, but especially when it comes to

00:22:23.860 children and conservatives have talked a long time about this fear of the sexualization of children and

00:22:30.360 even the normalization of things like pedophilia. And we really see this as one step in that

00:22:35.960 direction. It's not the exact same, but as you said, it is sexual abuse of a child. And what

00:22:40.720 bothers me is not just this mother who I agree with you seems to be completely off, but also the

00:22:47.740 people on the left who are either silent about it or who are celebrating it. When it comes to a child,

00:22:53.000 it's one thing for you to have the view that an adult can transition when they want to, okay,

00:22:58.220 whatever, but a child who just by nature of their developmental stage, can't really consent to

00:23:04.140 this. And like you said, it's just doing whatever he has affirmed to do, just wants to be loved by

00:23:09.120 his parents, just wants to be encouraged by them. I mean, I don't see how, even if you have the

00:23:14.780 ideology that tells you transgenderism is fine, how you can condone that for a child. I mean, that's, 1.00

00:23:22.080 that is really troubling to me. Yeah. Well, the people who started it, we have Kenzie,

00:23:28.820 Benjamin and money and some others that started this issue back in, in the late forties, early

00:23:36.920 fifties. And you can, you know, cheap plug for my book, but there's a great book, paper genders

00:23:42.220 that really explains what happened, how it got started. So if you want to go back and look at

00:23:46.980 how this got started, don't take my word for it. The documents are there in that book. And,

00:23:52.720 and they believe those three men who were the pioneers, Benjamin actually coined the term

00:23:58.220 transsexual, transgender back in the day. And they believed all three men believed that it was

00:24:06.380 perfectly okay for adult men to have sex with young boys and all the better if you could make them look 0.94

00:24:14.820 like girls. I mean, that makes sense. That makes sense. When, when you think about it, when you 0.97

00:24:21.880 think about where this movement goes, I mean, we see there's something called drag queen story hour

00:24:27.280 that happens at local libraries that seems to be happening more and more, even at elementary schools

00:24:32.020 where, uh, you know, drag queens, they'll dress up and they'll go and they'll just share some kind of 0.95

00:24:37.460 story. Or even the sex education that we're seeing for kids as young as seven to 10 years old

00:24:43.760 about gender fluidity, homosexuality, and things like that. Um, what can parents do? I get that 0.57

00:24:49.760 question a lot. And sometimes I just don't know. I don't have school age kids yet. Um, what can parents

00:24:55.220 do that are afraid of what their kids are learning in school are afraid that maybe they're going to

00:25:00.540 run into a situation where they're, uh, you know, I don't know, their child pretends to be identifying

00:25:06.400 as gender or seems to be confused. They're maybe afraid of that. If they teach their kids the wrong

00:25:11.360 thing, CPS is going to be called. What do parents do in the face of all of this insanity?

00:25:16.880 Yeah. Don't put your kids in public school. Yeah. Period. Uh, you know, homeschool them,

00:25:22.840 uh, you know, start something, uh, at your church or with a group of people in the neighborhood,

00:25:27.300 find somebody that's responsible, uh, because the public school systems have just become an

00:25:33.000 indoctrination center for LGBT sexualization, whether it's transgender, lesbianism, homosexual,

00:25:39.140 you name it. Uh, these drag queens, uh, are all homosexual. They're all over the top. Um, 1.00

00:25:46.580 and they're really not transgender. I mean, that's why we call them drag queens because they're not 1.00

00:25:51.200 transgender and people need to understand that the people who identify as transgender, many of them

00:25:56.980 are what we call autogynephiliacs and autogynephilia is a whole separate condition. They, they will 0.99

00:26:04.060 identify as transgender. They're not, they're suffering from autogynephilia, which is a sexual 0.60

00:26:09.140 fetish disorder, right? Yeah. Is it attraction to the self? Is that what it is? It's attraction to 0.97

00:26:16.000 self. If, and when you're dressed up in the opposite gender, you become aroused by what you see in the 0.97

00:26:22.720 mirror and what you see in the mirror becomes the object of your sexual affection.

00:26:26.980 Hmm. And that's, is that being treated any differently in mainstream psychology than

00:26:32.500 transgenderism? No, no, because, because we have this cabal that says they're all transgender. So 0.93

00:26:38.620 nobody ever goes for treatment until they contact me and they've gone through this and they've had

00:26:45.000 their body destroyed. And then I ask them, did you get sexually aroused when you put on women's 0.99

00:26:50.200 clothing? And they go, yeah. And I said, well, that isn't transgenderism. That's autogynephilia. 1.00

00:26:55.240 And just for the record, so that you and your audience knows a real woman does not get sexually

00:27:02.380 aroused when she puts on clothing. Right. Only people with autogynephilia. And that represents a

00:27:09.420 huge portion of the population of men who identify as transgender. They don't want to admit that it's a 1.00

00:27:16.080 sexual fetish disorder. And then you have a transvestic fetish, which is similar, except they're aroused by 0.98

00:27:23.040 a particular piece of clothing or an article of clothing or shoes or whatever. And so they will 0.81

00:27:29.020 identify as transgender, but in fact, they're not, they're suffering from a sexual fetish disorder, 1.00

00:27:34.500 but because they say they're transgender and want to transition, nobody questions them. Nobody talks to 1.00

00:27:41.060 them about, well, you know, if you've got therapy, you could deal with this and understand that actually

00:27:45.820 going through the surgery would cause you to not be able to become aroused again. So why would you want

00:27:52.480 to do that? So once they get the information to go, oh, I see, it's not a good idea. Then you actually

00:27:57.940 have people who are transvestites, who are not transgender. They're just people who, you know, for the fun

00:28:04.600 of it, like to dress up and go out in public. Then you have people who are suffering from body dysmorphia

00:28:09.720 or dissociative disorder like myself or some other emotional or psychological disorder that

00:28:16.860 is never being addressed, treated or diagnosed prior to giving somebody hormones and surgery.

00:28:23.080 They only find out after the fact, because once they have the surgery and they go through it and

00:28:29.760 they've lost their job, family and everything, they go, wow, I still have gender dysphoria. Don't feel 0.90

00:28:36.000 good in my body. What was wrong? Then you go for therapy and realize, oh, you didn't need it.

00:28:40.400 You actually, you actually had bipolar disorder or schizophrenia or something else. And if we were

00:28:48.180 to treat that disorder properly, you could have avoided hormone therapy and surgery. And so this is

00:28:54.680 why today that for the proper research is unavailable because 90% of the people who go through that are

00:29:03.420 unavailable to even question about why they went through it. And so I'm trying to speak for the

00:29:11.240 people who that I know personally, who are afraid to come out after they've detransitioned and say that

00:29:18.040 it was a mistake. And I do it because I know that I've helped a lot of people who've written me and

00:29:25.040 said, you know, I looked at your website. I didn't have to talk to you. I just read the articles you've

00:29:30.060 written and I realized that, you know, I'm a, I have autogynophilia, so I'm not going to transition or,

00:29:36.420 or I have, uh, I was sexually abused. I'm not going to. So once a person takes some time, some quality

00:29:43.960 time and begins to understand what happened to them that caused them to not like who they are,

00:29:50.340 then they can avoid going to the gender clinics who won't look at anything and just give you 1.00

00:29:56.440 hormones the first day you're there and surgery whenever you want, um, and, and not ruin their

00:30:02.880 life. So that's really what I'm about. I don't dislike. I have a lot of friends who are transgender

00:30:08.080 people who, you know, tell me, please keep doing what you're doing because I know people who are

00:30:14.160 suffering a great deal. And, um, so somebody needs to speak out. I'm glad you're allowing me the

00:30:21.000 opportunity to share this, even though, uh, some people won't believe it. The people who are really

00:30:25.860 hurting will believe it and we'll get help. Yes. And thank you for taking the time. Could you,

00:30:32.500 I've just two more quick questions. Could you paint a picture of what the future looks like? If we keep

00:30:40.080 going this direction, if voices like yours are silenced, if our only recourse for people struggling

00:30:46.600 with any of these disorders that have to do with discomfort with the body or disordered thinking

00:30:51.060 about the body, if the only recourse is gender reassignment surgery, if we keep on going this

00:30:56.240 direction of not being able to even define what a man or a woman is and having a million different

00:31:01.420 genders and pronouns and things like that, what is the, what does the future look like, especially

00:31:06.200 for those who are suffering? Yeah, we're going to see a lot more people committing suicide,

00:31:11.100 young people, especially, uh, the confusion's not good. I mean, growing up, uh, I don't care what

00:31:17.600 year you grew up in, whether it's the fifties, sixties or the two thousands, uh, is tough and

00:31:23.120 kids do not need, uh, any additional confusion added to them at school about gender books and pronouns and

00:31:30.840 this crazy nonsense. Um, so I think what it's going to look like is more suicides. Uh, I do really

00:31:37.760 believe that someone with a much stronger, more powerful, more significant voice than mine is

00:31:44.780 going to come forward and blow this thing to smithereens and it's all going to crash. That's

00:31:48.340 what I believe. Hmm. That's what I hope. I, I saw some comment the other day. There was something

00:31:53.820 that went viral that, uh, mom had her young four-year-old son holding up a sign. She shared on

00:32:00.820 social media, went viral that said men can have periods too, went viral. She was saying how awesome

00:32:06.620 and wonderful it is. But I saw a comment on there, of course, people who were outraged and someone said,

00:32:12.160 I cannot wait until the pendulum swings back in the other direction. And to me that my husband and

00:32:18.780 I talk about this, that's gotta be what happens. I mean, this is, it's not sustainable. It's not

00:32:24.060 sustainable. And so it's gotta be that. Unfortunately, there are going to be victims and casualties,

00:32:30.980 fatalities, uh, due to this, but eventually it will be enough to where society has got to at some point

00:32:38.420 before we reach some kind of extinction or just absolute anarchy before we say, oh, okay, this isn't

00:32:45.520 working. We we've got to swing back. That's my hope. Um, my last question is you mentioned Jesus

00:32:52.040 being your boss during this time. Did you become a Christian or were you raised a Christian?

00:32:57.420 Yeah. My, I was, I went to church from the time I was seven years old. So, um, you know, I didn't

00:33:03.820 really understand what that was about when I was seven, just like I didn't understand all the things

00:33:08.440 that happened when I was seven. Um, so you mature with that. And, um, uh, yeah, I, I had abandoned the

00:33:15.780 idea of knowing what a relationship was like with, um, my Lord. And so when I went through this whole

00:33:22.940 process, I was an alcoholic and a drug addict and a transgender and a wacko nut job, uh, at homeless 0.95

00:33:28.920 at one time. And so the only reason why I'm, um, quite young, handsome, 79 year old man today is

00:33:36.180 because, um, I stopped drinking and 33 years sobriety and, uh, because I got my life back.

00:33:42.680 And so, um, that's what I do. And I, I just believe that, you know, this is going to swing

00:33:48.400 the other way. And, uh, I write the books that I write so that people will read them long after

00:33:54.180 I'm gone and they'll go, geez, that old guy was right. Yeah, I think so. That's what I hope. And

00:33:59.520 that's, that's what I, that's what I pray for. I don't know if you've ever read the book,

00:34:03.740 I love thy body by Nancy Piercy. If you haven't read it, I highly recommend it, but she talks a lot

00:34:10.380 about, um, what you're talking about and having really a loving view of your own body of your own

00:34:16.600 body and how we should be teaching that to our kids. And it goes in not just to transgenderism,

00:34:21.560 it also goes into issues like abortion and promiscuity and things like that. An honorable

00:34:26.780 view of the body is what we should be teaching ourselves and teaching our kids and anything

00:34:31.100 outside of that, that says exactly what you said earlier, um, that something's wrong with you and

00:34:37.220 that you're only affirmable if you change, um, that is child abuse. So it's my prayer that we

00:34:43.640 science, the already affirms that, but that the scientific community swings back in that direction

00:34:47.920 and hopefully our moral landscape changes with it. So, um, is there anything else that you would

00:34:53.180 like to add or at least tell people where they can find you? Yeah. It's sexchangeregret.com, but to,

00:34:59.080 to help support what I do, cause I do everything for free to help support what I do by my books,

00:35:04.340 go to the website, sex change regret. They're good books, uh, trans life survivors, paper genders,

00:35:10.240 uh, all those books are great resource books. So, uh, buy them, buy them in large quantities

00:35:16.500 and, uh, read them cause you'll, you'll love them. I'm sure. Sexchangeregret.com. I'm sure that's

00:35:22.460 going to be a huge resource for people who either know someone going through this or who just wants

00:35:27.240 to get more educated on it. So thank you so much for what you do, for the books you write,

00:35:31.920 for the interviews you do, for the articles you write. Um, you are appreciated in a very necessary

00:35:36.740 voice and I'm thankful to God for how he's used you. Thank you for having me on. I appreciate it

00:35:41.600 very much. Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - November 15, 2019

Ep 186 ｜ Sex Change Regret： Walt Heyer

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