Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 187 ｜ My Pro-Life Fight Before Congress

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. I hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. Okay,

00:00:05.760 as you know, it's usually Theology Monday. Last week we started a series called Most Misused. We

00:00:12.100 did Psalm 37 for delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart.

00:00:18.680 And what that verse actually means. And what we found through our studying and analysis is that

00:00:23.440 it means something so much better than this kind of narcissistic interpretation of God

00:00:27.300 is a genie who's going to give me what I want as long as I act like I'm happy in him. So if you

00:00:32.740 haven't listened to that, go back and listen to it. We're going to do more like Philippians 4.13,

00:00:37.420 Matthew 7.1, the verses that are used so much but are decontextualized and applied to a definition

00:00:44.180 that they just don't mean. So I want to take a break though from that today because I think it

00:00:51.660 might get a little bit old if I do that every single week. If you've got verses that you want

00:00:57.060 me to cover, some of you have already sent me some, feel free to send them my way. Okay,

00:01:03.340 today what we are going to talk about, we're going to talk about the hearing that I was a part of

00:01:11.900 last week in Washington, D.C. in front of the Committee of Oversight and Reform. And we are going

00:01:20.120 to dive into what all that was about and I'm going to give you some analysis that I wasn't

00:01:27.340 able to give when I was there and talk about why this matters. Some of you were able to watch it

00:01:34.800 on C-SPAN. Some of you were able to watch it online. Some of you maybe have seen some of the clips

00:01:40.040 online. And I want to play some of those for you if you were unable to catch them and just kind of tell

00:01:48.180 you what was going on at the time and give you further analysis. So as you can tell, this is not

00:01:54.360 Theology Monday. We're actually just taking a break for a little bit from Theology Monday. Although,

00:01:59.480 of course, I always kind of bring it back to the biblical perspective and it's very easy to do on

00:02:04.220 abortion. So let me tell you how all of this happened. Obviously, I have never testified before

00:02:10.460 Congress and I hadn't really thought that that was a possibility. It's not really, I wouldn't say it was

00:02:17.240 really on my bucket list. I just didn't think that I would ever be given the opportunity or couldn't

00:02:21.840 really see a reason why I would be asked to testify. But I did get a call from the House

00:02:28.780 Committee's office saying, hey, would you be interested in this? Are you available? It's not

00:02:33.760 finalized. So I talked to them just about my position on abortion. Obviously, I've been very

00:02:40.300 outspoken about being pro-life on this podcast and elsewhere, public speaking, all of that good stuff.

00:02:46.260 And so I just kind of explained my views about that and they asked my availability, whatever.

00:02:56.820 Long story short is I was chosen to be the witness and because Democrats are the majority

00:03:02.420 in the committee, they have four witnesses and Republicans have one witness. So I was the one

00:03:08.820 witness and there were four others. Two of them were over some kind of so-called reproductive health

00:03:15.060 organizations. One woman had an abortion because her child, the doctors told her, had a fetal anomaly.

00:03:21.800 And then one was actually an abortionist at Planned Parenthood in St. Louis, Missouri.

00:03:26.080 And that was the legislation that we were focusing on. The legislation we were supposed to be focusing

00:03:31.080 on was the Missouri legislation that has made it very difficult for abortion clinics to be there.

00:03:37.220 Abortion clinics have shut down across the state. There's only one abortion clinic left,

00:03:42.460 praise God, in St. Louis. And that is the abortion clinic that this abortionist

00:03:47.440 serves in. There was so, there was so much, there was so much misinformation coming from that side

00:03:54.600 that you might be asking, Allie, how did you contain yourself the whole time? I've gotten a ton of

00:03:58.980 messages from those of you who watched it saying, I just wanted to shake that. I just wanted to grab

00:04:04.040 their shoulders and shake them and say, what are you saying? Or you wanted to yell at them.

00:04:08.080 I know, I know. But guys, I prayed. I prayed and prayed for the Holy Spirit to give me the peace

00:04:17.000 that passes understanding, to give me calm, to help me not get frazzled or agitated or angry,

00:04:22.120 but to say what I need to say, to speak the truth in love and to allow God to be glorified. I didn't

00:04:28.560 want this to be about the things that I said, but what God's truth actually is. And I asked you guys,

00:04:34.440 please pray. I asked my family. I asked my friends. I asked people in my church. I said,

00:04:38.140 please pray for the situation. And I felt the power of your prayers. I really did. I felt the

00:04:43.760 Holy Spirit be there and give me that peace that surpasses understanding. And so when I was listening

00:04:50.480 to them try to obscure the reality of abortion, when I was listening to them give misinformation

00:04:55.880 about Missouri legislation, yes, of course, internally, I was like, you guys operate on deceit.

00:05:02.340 That's all you guys do is you gaslight, you use euphemisms, you manipulate people. And if your

00:05:08.440 position were so righteous, you would be able to speak clearly and accurately about all of these

00:05:13.040 things, but you're not. So inside, yes, I'm thinking about all these things, but I felt okay.

00:05:18.640 I felt confident in my position as nervous as I was before I went in there. Because guys, I still,

00:05:25.720 I guess I look back and I'm like, why was I asked? Like, why was I called? I don't

00:05:31.880 bring, and we'll talk about this as Democrats brought up. I don't bring any special qualifications

00:05:37.140 to the table. I don't have a medical history. I don't have any kind of scientific degree or

00:05:42.840 background. I'm not the head of so-called reproductive organizations, although I certainly

00:05:47.940 don't think that that makes you an expert. And I haven't been in this exact situation. And so

00:05:53.060 there were times where I questioned, I was like, I'm not qualified. Why? I'm not competent to do this.

00:06:00.200 I shouldn't do this. But I had to just accept the fact that God is sovereign, that he is in control.

00:06:06.460 And if this opportunity has been presented to me, then there has to be a reason for it. And the

00:06:11.460 reason, which is the ultimate reason when God uses Christians always, is that God is glorified.

00:06:18.340 And if he chooses me a seemingly unqualified vessel for this particular moment, then I'm going to be

00:06:24.320 obedient and do it and just pray that truth is spoken and that God gets the glory for all of it.

00:06:30.320 That's the only thing that we can really hope for and pray in situations that we are scared about.

00:06:36.240 And so I just prayed. I meditated on scripture, Psalm 25, Psalm 27, Psalm 37, which we went over

00:06:43.720 last week, uh, first Peter two, for whatever reason, it's not really in the same exact vein as the, uh,

00:06:52.040 as the other chapters, but just gave me, it gave me peace. It gave me strength. It gave me calm. And

00:06:59.000 even when I was nervous beforehand, I had to remember, this is not about me. This is not about

00:07:04.480 my testimony. This is not about what I bring to the table, because as I've already said, I don't bring

00:07:08.540 a lot to the table. All I can do is trust God, trust his purposes, trust his plan, and trust that

00:07:14.820 he is going to glorify himself because that is what he always sets out to do through us. And I should

00:07:20.880 just be thankful. So one lesson that I learned is that it is possible to be in God's will, to be,

00:07:28.640 uh, following him, doing what the Holy spirit wants us to do and still feel fearful and nervous.

00:07:34.580 I think a lot of times we think that our feelings have to match the rightness of the situation in

00:07:40.140 order for things to be correct, but that's not always true. We can be obedient in our nervousness,

00:07:45.580 in our anxiety, and in our fear. And that is something that I learned. And I'm so thankful

00:07:50.100 for the Holy spirit for giving me the strength to do that. And for all of the congressmen and

00:07:55.100 Congresswomen in there who spoke the truth about life inside the womb, I am so thankful that the Holy

00:08:01.200 Spirit was there even in such, uh, in such, uh, a depressing, honestly hearing that's kind of how I

00:08:09.540 walked away from it a little bit, but I'll talk about that in a more nuanced way in, in, in a second.

00:08:15.160 So we get there and I'm so nervous, but as soon as I sit down, there were a few things just tangibly

00:08:23.240 that kind of calmed my nerves for whatever reason, the room being smaller than I thought that it was

00:08:29.080 going to be calmed my nerves. There weren't as many Congress people there as I thought there would be

00:08:33.960 that kind of calmed my nerves. And then when I heard the other testimonies, honestly, and I'm not

00:08:39.000 trying to be rude, but when I heard the other witnesses speak and I realized, okay, the arguments

00:08:44.640 that these people have, which apparently according to the Democrats in this committee are the best

00:08:50.920 possible, uh, defenders of abortion and abortion, uh, legislation that they have, or, you know,

00:08:59.000 legislation that allows abortion that they have. And they're making the same exact arguments that I

00:09:04.200 hear Twitter trolls and Facebook commenters make on a daily basis. So it's not that they have any

00:09:11.240 more sophisticated arguments than anyone else. I mean, the arguments that you see on a daily basis

00:09:17.180 as pro-lifers that you look at and you're like, okay, that's insane. That's completely inane. That

00:09:22.220 doesn't make any sense. That's totally illogical. They totally obscure the existence of a child.

00:09:27.260 They pretend that she's not there, or they try to paint abortion as something that only happens in

00:09:33.040 extreme circumstances in which the mom just has to terribly and so sadly and tragically get an

00:09:41.400 abortion. We know that's not true. 99% of abortions are just elective because they don't want a child.

00:09:48.300 They can't afford a child or something like that. So they'll simultaneously use a witness that makes

00:09:54.260 it seem like abortion only happens in these tragic circumstances, but also at the same time say,

00:09:58.860 well, a woman should be able to get an abortion for absolutely any reason whatsoever. So as I'm

00:10:03.740 hearing their arguments and honestly, the two ladies who were, who were nice, I'm sure they're

00:10:09.880 very nice people. And meanwhile, the two ladies on either side of me who talked about, uh,

00:10:15.980 their organizations, I, I, I don't know. I don't even know honestly what they were talking about.

00:10:21.860 When they say things like gender justice and gender equity, that's what I'm saying when I say

00:10:29.480 that people on the pro-abortion side, that they just use these vague social justice intersectional

00:10:38.540 terms that don't actually have any real meaning. They're not attached to reality at all. So when

00:10:44.500 I'm hearing all of this, I'm like, okay, it's, I I'm good. I'm good. I know what I need to do.

00:10:49.160 And what I need to do is to shed light on one thing. And that is the existence of the child

00:10:54.600 inside the womb, because that's what they so desperately do not want to talk about. And I

00:10:59.440 need to talk about what an abortion actually is, because as you will see in one of the clips that

00:11:05.560 I'm going to show you in a couple of the clips, they don't want to talk about that. That's the one

00:11:10.000 thing they don't want to talk about. And they will accuse you knowing better. They will accuse you of

00:11:14.740 lying. If you say, Hey, a D and E abortion, a dilation and extraction abortion empties the

00:11:22.140 uterus of amniotic fluid, or it actually dries it with amniotic fluid with something called,

00:11:27.720 actually, I don't even know how to pronounce it. The things that they put in there, it's basically

00:11:31.320 kind of like seaweed that they put inside your uterus and it takes all the amniotic fluid out.

00:11:35.840 And then once the baby basically starves to death because babies inside the womb are feeding off

00:11:40.560 amniotic fluid the entire time that they're in the womb, they, um, start picking the, they take

00:11:47.340 force-ups and they stick it inside the woman's cervix, inside the uterus, and they start tearing the

00:11:52.900 child apart limb by limb. Uh, that is how a late-term abortion is often performed. There are other very

00:12:01.380 grotesque methods as well. You also know Kermit Gosnell that, uh, he, that was the terrible case that came

00:12:08.740 out in 2010, but it's been, we've been talking about it recently because there was a movie that

00:12:13.600 came out. Uh, he was, uh, put into prison. He was charged for, for murdering multiple infants because

00:12:21.760 they were born alive. They were born alive and it wasn't just three infants, even though he's just

00:12:26.060 charged for that. It was much more than that. And FBI raided his house in 2010 and found baby parts

00:12:32.080 throughout his home. The guy was a, he was a psychopath. He would snip the spinal cords of living

00:12:38.700 babies in the birth canal that would kill them. So any of you who have had a birth, we're talking

00:12:44.700 six to eight pound baby fully alive, has all of the instincts that any other baby has. So as they're

00:12:53.040 coming out, they're already instinctively trying to attach themselves to their mother. They're trying,

00:12:58.360 they're about to take their first breath. They're trying to scream. Um, he snips the back of their neck,

00:13:04.720 hopes that they die quickly and discards them like medical waste or like the freak that he is

00:13:10.400 decide to stow body parts somewhere, uh, somewhere in his house. There was a story, uh, just a few

00:13:16.600 weeks ago of the, of the abortionist in Illinois. I believe it was where the police came to his house

00:13:22.540 and found baby parts all over his home. I mean, this is not just a one-off situation. Abortion is

00:13:28.780 grotesque. It is grotesque. It is brutal. It is barbaric. Last night after all of this happened,

00:13:36.060 well, last night as I'm recording this, but it was really last Thursday night, uh, when I was

00:13:42.500 thinking, when I was thinking about this, I literally woke up in the middle of the night

00:13:46.820 and was like, Oh my gosh, we're debating whether or not we should kill a child, kill a child brutally.

00:13:54.320 But this is what Democrats do not want to talk about. I'm going to play you my opening statement,

00:14:01.260 uh, in case you hadn't heard it yet, you may have seen it on social media, but I just want to make

00:14:06.960 sure that you want to, that you get to hear it here in case you have it. If you want to fast forward

00:14:11.120 through it, if you've already heard it, you can do that too. Allie Stuckey. I'd like to thank

00:14:16.340 chairwoman Maloney and ranking member Jordan and the rest of the committee, uh, for the opportunity to

00:14:22.380 appear before the committee today. My name is Allie Stuckey. I am an author, a podcast host, a

00:14:28.680 commentator, a wife, and a mom. I've spent the last few years studying the pro-abortion movement,

00:14:34.060 uh, observing the growing radicalism of the abortion agenda and speaking out about the injustice

00:14:38.640 occurring on the state and federal levels against pre-born children and their mothers. Um, I am here

00:14:44.360 today as a mom fighting for a future for her kids in which rights are not dependent on whether

00:14:49.900 a person is wanted, but upon their humanity. I am here as a woman who believes that female

00:14:56.040 empowerment, equality, and freedom are not defined by her ability to terminate the life

00:15:00.600 of her child. I'm here as an American afraid for the fate of a country that no longer considers

00:15:06.060 the right to life a prerequisite to liberty or the pursuit of happiness. I'm here as a human

00:15:10.760 being horrified by the violence, the oppression, and the marginalization of a defenseless people

00:15:15.660 group based solely on where they reside in the womb. It's surreal to be here, and not

00:15:21.760 because I'm testifying before Congress, but because of the subject at hand. It is incomprehensible

00:15:26.880 to me that we are having a debate over whether or not it is acceptable to kill a baby before

00:15:32.100 they're born. And while we discuss Democrats' concerns about abortion restrictions today, I

00:15:36.580 want to remind the committee of the true victims of radical legislation, and that is pre-born

00:15:41.500 babies. There was a time, perhaps, when we could claim ignorance as our justification for allowing

00:15:47.680 and approving of abortion. Only a few decades ago, we knew relatively little about pre-born

00:15:52.360 babies in the early stages of development. It seemed appropriate to some to deem abortion

00:15:57.660 a privacy issue or an issue of bodily autonomy. And even then, the motto was safe, legal, and

00:16:04.720 rare. Pro-abortion advocates have abandoned these three qualifications in favor of on-demand

00:16:10.280 violence through all nine months for any reason. Barbaric laws like those of New York, Illinois,

00:16:14.660 and a bill in Virginia aim to codify what Roe and its companion cases allow, the virtually

00:16:19.360 unrestricted access to abortion until the point of birth. As its defendant's position on abortion

00:16:24.500 has radicalized, science and technology have advanced. We now know that a baby's heart begins

00:16:29.860 to beat as early as six weeks. The child can feel pain as early as 20 weeks, only halfway through

00:16:35.020 the pregnancy. Babies born as early as 21 weeks gestation have survived outside of the womb.

00:16:40.720 By 24 weeks, still only in the second trimester, a fetus has a significant probability of surviving

00:16:46.380 if born premature. Babies at this age have also received life-saving procedures to treat diseases like

00:16:52.400 spina bifida. Any woman who has been pregnant or has seen her child on an ultrasound knows the

00:16:57.580 undeniable humanity of their pre-born babies. Even as someone who is pro-life, I was shocked

00:17:03.340 to see my daughter in the womb at just 11 and a half weeks, kicking, punching, flipping around.

00:17:10.180 11 and a half weeks is still the first trimester. Embryology tells us that at the moment of conception

00:17:15.860 onward, a baby is a living human being with a distinct DNA, and yet the abortion advocates have

00:17:21.640 doubled down on their dehumanizing rhetoric and legislative efforts. Remarkably, many members of the

00:17:27.120 so-called party of science insist upon referring to pre-born children as no more than clumps of

00:17:32.880 cells. And speaking of abortion, its defenders ignore the existence of the child entirely.

00:17:38.000 Terms like reproductive freedom or bodily autonomy, women's empowerment, are used as euphemisms to

00:17:43.800 obscure the reality that the life inside the mom's body is a human, a baby, her baby. If abortion were

00:17:51.300 truly a winning issue for women, if it were, as an article in New York Magazine recently argued, a moral

00:17:56.400 good, this kind of deception wouldn't be necessary. But abortion advocates know that using accurate

00:18:01.620 terminology to describe abortion is an effective PR, and therefore it doesn't make for a profitable

00:18:06.760 business model. Late-term abortions are typically performed, of course, by emptying the uterus of

00:18:11.840 amniotic fluid, then dismembering the baby with forceps. There are other cases of more grotesque methods

00:18:18.320 utilized, like with Kermit Gosnell. Witnesses before Congress have testified to the neglect of babies who

00:18:23.940 survive abortions, many of whom are reportedly left to die alone. Virginia Governor Ralph Northam

00:18:29.660 declared earlier this year that a baby who survives an abortion would be delivered, kept comfortable,

00:18:34.300 and resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired.

00:18:41.160 While tragic, pro-lifers shouldn't be surprised by pro-choice radicalism. This is the end of the logic of

00:18:47.500 the pro-abortion case. There is no logical argument for abortion that doesn't also apply to people who

00:18:53.080 are born. America is included on a list of only seven countries, including China and North Korea,

00:18:58.280 to allow abortion after 20 weeks gestation. The same legislators who are pro-abortion were happy to vote

00:19:04.700 yes on a bill criminalizing animal cruelty on the federal level. And while I'm thankful for this,

00:19:09.500 I only wish the same basic compassion could be extended to the most vulnerable members of our own

00:19:15.220 species. Thank you. So thankfully I was given the opportunity to say that. There were so many other

00:19:20.520 things that I wanted to say. I couldn't explain Kermit Gosnell the way that I wanted to. There was

00:19:25.780 another story I wanted to tell of an abortionist who said that he inserts, there's a certain kind of

00:19:31.880 poison that in late-term abortions they can insert through the woman into the baby's heart to stop the

00:19:39.500 heart from beating. And then the baby softens as the baby dies in the womb. And then they're able to

00:19:46.260 induce labor. So the woman gives birth to a baby. And he compared what the dead baby feels like when

00:19:51.760 the baby is coming out of the womb as meat in a crock pot. So I wanted to say all of that. I wanted

00:19:57.440 to talk about just how awful and graphic abortion actually is. I didn't get the chance to do that

00:20:04.480 because I only had five minutes. That's another reason I was talking so quickly is because I had

00:20:09.200 a little timer in front of me that has lights on it, tells you, okay, like you need to wrap up.

00:20:14.560 And so I was, as I was reading, I was skipping chunks of my testimony, knowing that I wanted to

00:20:21.160 finish where I wanted to finish. I didn't want to finish in this awkward spot. So that was a little

00:20:25.200 bit stressful trying to make sure that the next sentence was going to make sense with the last

00:20:29.600 sentence and jumping around on my page while also watching the time. But I got to say most of what I

00:20:37.240 wanted to say. And they completely ignore, of course, everything that I have to say. And they

00:20:46.720 talk about this particular piece of legislation in Missouri. And they go off on that for a certain

00:20:55.440 period of time where they say that Missouri and the legislation there against abortion is so

00:21:01.540 draconian. That bothered me because if there's anything draconian, it's tearing a child apart

00:21:06.660 inside the womb. But they were saying this is so terrible. It's so bad for women. And then they

00:21:12.420 talk about this particular scenario of Missouri women having to undergo pelvic exams before they get an

00:21:21.300 abortion. There was an old Missouri state law that said that you have to get a pelvic exam before you

00:21:26.840 get an abortion. I'm not totally sure what the purpose was. I guess it was in some way to protect

00:21:31.700 the woman just to make sure that everything was fine in there, which kind of makes sense to me.

00:21:35.840 But these women acted like it was so sad. The abortion provider said, I don't know who cried more,

00:21:41.240 me or the woman, because I had to give them a pelvic exam. It was so invasive. I didn't want them to

00:21:47.220 take their clothes off. I'm like, but you're okay with killing a child? Is that what we're talking

00:21:51.000 about invasive? Talk about sad, killing a child inside the womb? That's what I was thinking the

00:21:56.500 entire time these people were talking about anything other than abortion and calling something

00:22:00.300 unjust or abusive or invasive or draconian. I'm like, oh, you mean like abortion? Right.

00:22:07.380 So they talked about that. And then they talked about, and this is what I want to refute because

00:22:11.980 I didn't have time to refute it because they didn't come to me to talk about this. But they talk about

00:22:17.300 the state of Missouri, the health department in Missouri, tracking periods, tracking women's

00:22:24.620 menstrual cycles. And they talked about both the people in Congress and the witnesses were saying

00:22:29.780 that this happened in Missouri, that this was just an abuse of power. They use the Missouri

00:22:35.600 Department of Health and Senior Services. They used the induced termination of pregnancy

00:22:42.100 form that is used to uncover botched abortions and injured women at Planned Parenthood in St. Louis.

00:22:48.820 And they are the exact same vital records data that the CDC, the Center for Disease Control and

00:22:55.840 Prevention, and the Guttmacher Institute. The Guttmacher Institute is a research arm of Planned

00:23:01.060 Parenthood. They're the same vital records data that these organizations use in their statistical and

00:23:08.260 other reports on abortions in Missouri and the United States. No individual patient names are

00:23:13.240 used or reported in these. They're called ITOP forms, induced termination of pregnancy forms. And so

00:23:19.380 they're trying to act like this was just this random thing that Missouri officials did. No, that's not

00:23:24.820 true at all. And guess what? By using these forms, the health and safety regulators used this data to

00:23:31.660 discover a case of a woman injured by an abortion at Planned Parenthood in St. Louis. This is what I

00:23:37.520 wanted to bring up. This abortion provider who oversees the Planned Parenthood in St. Louis.

00:23:43.520 Officials were able to use these forms to discover a case of a woman injured by an abortion at her

00:23:49.280 clinic. A quote, failed abortion that DHSS says was not reported by Planned Parenthood in violation of

00:23:55.840 Missouri law. It's kind of amazing, actually, that none of the Congress people brought this up yesterday.

00:24:01.380 I'm surprised by this. And I wish I had brought it up. But there's just a lot going on and a lot was going on

00:24:07.380 my head. So the abortion doctor sitting right there. The reason why these were why menstrual cycles

00:24:15.440 were tracked by DHSS in Missouri was to uncover botched abortions, which had already happened at

00:24:24.480 her clinic. And the methods that they were using to uncover that are the same methods that the

00:24:29.780 Guttmacher Institute, like I said, a part of Planned Parenthood and the CDC uses. And yet Congress and these

00:24:35.760 witnesses talked about that over and over again. And I really, I really wanted to, I really wanted

00:24:41.360 to bring that up. And I didn't really get a chance to. It's so hard when it's moving quickly and they

00:24:45.900 ask you a certain question and you want to address that. There's a million points that I wish I had

00:24:50.480 made that I wish I could have made. Thankfully, the staff that invited me and some of the pro-life

00:24:57.920 staffers there, they helped me so much and they really prepped me. And so if you're listening to this,

00:25:02.380 thank you to all of you who helps me and gathered all the information for me. But I wanted to make

00:25:08.140 sure that I said that. So there were a few other highlights, I would say, in all of this. And some

00:25:13.760 of them were just so hard. They're almost harder to look back on than they were in the moment because

00:25:19.080 I knew I had to remain calm. But now I'm looking back and I'm like, oh, that makes me so mad. So

00:25:24.240 there were two Congresswomen, Ms. Kelly and Ms. Lawrence, who decided that they were just going to go in

00:25:30.320 on me, that they thought that they had great arguments. So let me show you the exchange,

00:25:36.120 a bit of it, between Congresswoman Kelly and me. Mrs. Stuckey, you said you want to see the same

00:25:42.120 basic compassion. You made that comment. Well, I wanted to see the same basic compassion for

00:25:49.180 maternal mortality. I had to water down the bill I had because the compassionate Republicans,

00:25:55.980 not one, would sign on to the bill to extend Medicaid. We have not been able to get a gun violence

00:26:03.080 prevention bill passed because we don't have the same basic compassion once the unborn fetus becomes

00:26:10.220 a baby and they grow up. We don't seem to have compassion in that area. We don't have the same

00:26:16.060 compassion when it comes to feeding our young people. We don't seem to care about that. We're looking at

00:26:22.720 cutting back so 500,000 people don't have the food they had. So where is the compassion once

00:26:30.520 you're born? That's the question I have. Well, Ms. Kelly, thank you so much for bringing up these

00:26:35.500 points because I agree that we should have compassion from the womb to the tomb. That's

00:26:40.120 what I believe. I don't necessarily agree with all of your legislative solutions to that. I do believe

00:26:46.720 the private sector does a much better job. But your premise is that these things are mutually

00:26:51.840 exclusive, that we either have to be on your side of the debate and we're violently murdering

00:26:56.800 children inside the womb or we're not. No, I'm just saying like you're, you're saying we're

00:27:01.300 violently murdering, but there's a lot of kids being murdered every day and we don't do anything

00:27:06.900 about that. I'm reclaiming my time, reclaiming my time. So as you can see, she presents this false

00:27:12.320 argument that we so often see from the left that you're not pro-life, you're pro-birth. And unless

00:27:18.640 you believe in big government, unless you believe in second amendment regulations, unless you believe

00:27:23.540 that we need to redistribute wealth to all of these ineffective and inefficient programs to

00:27:28.520 help people, to so-called help people, then you aren't really pro-life. Well, first of all,

00:27:34.860 we have a problem with most of your legislation because we don't think it's good legislation.

00:27:38.780 Uh, secondly, why can't we care about both? See, I'm, I'm, I'm the only one not saying I'm

00:27:45.300 really the only one, but I'm the only one on the panel. Pro-lifers are the only ones who care about

00:27:50.260 both, that we care about the baby inside the womb and we care about kids outside of the womb. We

00:27:54.700 might not agree on the solutions, but we both agree, I guess, that we should have compassion for

00:28:01.140 them. But she plays this game that so often the pro-abortion side does that it's either or,

00:28:05.820 that these things are mutually exclusive. Why can't we do both? Well, she wanted to reclaim

00:28:10.600 her time. She didn't want to hear any of that. And that's exactly, that's the tactic. And I decided

00:28:15.720 my, my brother actually got to come with me, which was really great having his support there. And I

00:28:21.300 was so thankful for that, but we decided that in the future, just like in real life, if someone's

00:28:26.540 talking to us and we don't want to hear what they have to say anymore, we're just going to say in

00:28:30.300 real life, I reclaim my time. I reclaim my time. So Ms. Lawrence also, I'll play you a little bit

00:28:35.540 of our exchange. She decided that she was going to put words in my mouth and she was going to claim

00:28:41.480 that I said things that I didn't say. And she was going to do this game of gaslighting. So gaslighting

00:28:47.580 is when you accuse someone of something that you yourself are guilty of. So she accuses me of

00:28:52.280 pseudoscience and generalities, which is just great. So here's that.

00:28:57.660 This hearing should be a substantive discussion on how to expand access to care for women.

00:29:05.960 I'm disappointed that my Republican colleagues are using this hearing to make such blatantly false

00:29:14.380 claims. The, the young lady who speaks in generalization and for the record, while one side calls themselves

00:29:27.240 pro-life, pro-life. There's not a person I know that say they're pro-abortion, they're pro-choice.

00:29:34.140 So abortions are not in fantasy. That is not how abortion works. And this type of deceptive rhetoric

00:29:46.900 is yet another attempt to distract from efforts to make abortion out of the reach for women to shut down

00:29:54.300 clinics. And I, I just constantly, I've had this debate a number of times on this panel.

00:30:02.480 The, the mistruths that are spoken about, um, ripping full-size babies out of wounds and killing

00:30:12.340 them, that is not true. Selling of parts is not true. And it just seems like it's enjoyed to say

00:30:20.360 because it paints this horrific picture and we should talk, say the truth. Um, if anyone is

00:30:27.600 speaking in specifics, I was the only witness that spoke in specifics. As you can probably guess, uh,

00:30:33.140 none, none of the other witnesses would tell you what an abortion actually is. I want to play you

00:30:38.620 another exchange, which was actually probably my favorite part. There were so many good,

00:30:44.220 so many good parts. Oh, I want to play you another clip too. There are a lot of clips that I want to play

00:30:48.780 you just because if you weren't there, I want to make sure that you see these. There are so many

00:30:53.300 good parts of this, but this was one of my favorite things that, uh, Congressman Massey from Kentucky,

00:30:58.460 he had an exchange with the abortion provider and really tried to push her for answers and she

00:31:03.620 wouldn't give it. You know, it's medicine is not black and white. I, I recognize in my 10 years of

00:31:09.480 practice, uh, informs this, this opinion that pregnancy can be really complicated. And given that

00:31:15.800 there are pregnancies for which a fetus may never be viable, I think it's really important that we

00:31:21.740 allow physicians and patients to have every medical resource to make decisions that are

00:31:27.200 appropriate for them and their health. In the absence of a law preventing it, would you abort a

00:31:32.340 viable fetus? Um, again, I, every patient is different and I can't make any... I'm just asking

00:31:39.860 about a viable fetus. If the law didn't prevent it, would it, would you consider it a limitation

00:31:45.000 morally for you to abort a viable fetus? So I think you're forgetting that there are a number

00:31:51.520 of reasons that go into a patient's choice. I thought you, uh, at your clinic, does it matter

00:31:56.280 what the reason is for the abortion? At my clinic, I trust that women have a valid reason. Every reason

00:32:03.480 that they have is valid. Okay. So given that you think that every reason is valid, would you

00:32:09.080 abort a viable fetus if there was not a law preventing it? Again, given that the reality

00:32:17.820 for people choosing abortion is that there are many reasons, there isn't a single thing that defines

00:32:23.680 somebody's choice. It is a reflection of their... You seem to have a hard time saying this. This tells me you

00:32:29.280 have a heart. Or at least you know that people watching this have a heart. And they would be

00:32:34.140 concerned if you would just admit, which you won't admit here, that you would abort a viable fetus for

00:32:42.260 any reason if the law did not prevent it. Mr. Massey, uh, abortion is moral. It is important. It is

00:32:50.180 healthcare. And I support people being the experts in their own lives and making decisions for themselves.

00:32:56.220 It, it gives me some, some hope that you hear, understand that people do not support you when

00:33:07.700 you abort, when you say, or if you would say that you would abort a viable fetus for any reason.

00:33:13.160 But given what you told us in your opening statement and knowing what you've said, we know that you would,

00:33:21.560 but it does give me hope that you still know in your heart that's wrong.

00:33:25.280 So that's amazing. So the woman with a medical background, the so-called expert in the room,

00:33:30.580 she could not even give you a straight answer. The woman couldn't even say what viability actually

00:33:37.260 was. I think most of us who have just been pregnant know that viability, at least right now,

00:33:42.000 is 24 weeks. And that's getting earlier and earlier because technology medicine has advanced.

00:33:46.300 There are babies as young as 21 weeks who are born and survive and thrive. There are babies as young

00:33:52.520 as 19 weeks, I believe who are operated on inside the womb because they have spina bifida.

00:33:57.700 I mean, it's insane. It's insane, right? That they just don't acknowledge at all the humanity

00:34:03.400 of life inside the womb. That's all we're asking is acknowledge the scientific reality that this

00:34:09.100 is a human being. And because it's a human being explained to me logically and morally why this human

00:34:15.880 being doesn't have rights. Is it based on the location inside the womb? Is it based on size?

00:34:20.340 Is it based on age? Is it based on the fact that it can't defend itself? Bingo. That's what it is.

00:34:25.840 This baby can't defend itself. And because of that, it is easily discarded and placed on the altar of

00:34:32.480 convenience. It is placed on the altar of the God of self. And that is evil. That is wicked for any,

00:34:38.860 especially so-called Christian to support this. Ooh, baby, I would check your heart. Check it.

00:34:45.300 And I'll pray for you. And I will pray for all of you out there too, whether you're a Christian or not,

00:34:49.720 who thinks that there is any moral logical reason to any of this. I want to play you another clip

00:34:55.040 by Congressman Chip Roy. He is from Texas and he tells, uh, what I thought was a very compelling

00:35:02.060 story. In 2015, I got a call from a young woman who is one of my dearest friends. She's like a

00:35:06.840 little sister to me. She said that the baby that was in her belly, her third might be missing part of

00:35:12.760 his brain. The part that connects the left and right hemispheres. She was terrified and couldn't ask

00:35:17.100 questions fast enough. She had a monthly checkup with her OBGYN the following week.

00:35:22.420 Her husband had to work, but she took her two boys with her. They liked going to hear the baby's

00:35:26.680 heartbeat and the checkups were usually routine and quick. She went into the appointment expecting

00:35:30.680 her doctor to reassure her and her answer reviewed the file. Then the doctor looked our friends

00:35:35.480 straight in the eye and asked her if she wanted to terminate the pregnancy. She called us right after

00:35:39.520 that appointment, understandably angry and terrified. Terminate? What? She explained to the doctor

00:35:44.560 to ask her the question, the same tone she might've used when ordering coffee at Starbucks.

00:35:48.580 She didn't blink an eye. She asked it in front of her two little boys. She asked without her husband

00:35:53.400 there. She offered no explanation or comfort. It was cold. The doctor told her she had to decide

00:35:59.780 quickly because she was approaching 22 weeks, which is as long as you can legally wait to have an

00:36:04.160 abortion in Virginia. Our friend's response was such a source of pride for us. She told us she almost

00:36:10.120 laughed and then politely responded that termination was not an option. She walked out of that doctor's

00:36:14.940 office and never returned. So how did it all turn out? Her ultrasound was completely normal at 24 weeks.

00:36:22.180 They just couldn't get a good read at her 20-week appointment. Her baby was born in May of 2015 and

00:36:27.060 is completely healthy. It was a boy, by the way. None of us, but particularly his loving and courageous

00:36:31.660 mother can imagine life without him. He is my godson.

00:36:34.720 So that is so true, which actually it doesn't discount, but it discredits the argument that

00:36:42.400 we heard from the first witness about her own story. There was a first witness who talked about

00:36:47.980 aborting her child who was told would be born with a fetal anomaly. And while I have compassion for

00:36:53.420 that, I still don't think that fetal anomalies are solved by killing a child. Do we do that when a baby

00:36:58.880 is born with an anomaly that we didn't know that wasn't diagnosed in the womb after the child is born?

00:37:04.200 Do we say, you know what? This child's going to suffer too much. Let's just kill the child.

00:37:07.760 So logically, again, morally, scientifically, even, it just doesn't make any sense. So as he pointed

00:37:13.520 out, so often these diagnoses are wrong, first of all. And so you're making a permanent decision on

00:37:19.540 a possibly fallible diagnosis. And two, even if it's right, like I said, it is not solved. It is not

00:37:25.080 healed. Neither the mother nor the child are healed by killing the child. There are just not

00:37:31.060 very many problems. There are no problems that are solved, I would say, by killing an unborn child.

00:37:38.100 I think that we can, on the pro-life side, agree with that, unfortunately. Unfortunately, on the left,

00:37:43.360 that's a bit of a point of contention. I don't know if you guys noticed, whenever I was speaking,

00:37:48.540 the women behind me who were rolling their eyes, laughing, snickering, whenever I would talk about

00:37:54.640 the procedure of what happens. And I will say, I correct myself. I said that the dismemberment

00:38:01.280 abortion is a DNC abortion. That's not a DNC abortion. DNC abortions happen a little bit earlier

00:38:06.180 when the baby is still small enough to be sucked into a tube. But when the baby is a little bit

00:38:12.140 bigger and the body can't fit into a tube, then you have to have a D&E, which is a dilation and

00:38:16.680 extraction, dilation and extraction abortion, where you actually have to tear the baby apart limb by limb to

00:38:22.440 be able to fit it through the cervix and the birth canal. So that's lovely. So I did make a mistake.

00:38:27.520 I said the wrong letter. It is a DNC abortion, the one that I described. But whenever I would describe

00:38:32.040 it, there was a lady behind me who would laugh. And I personally think that that's, I'm trying to

00:38:40.340 be optimistic. I think it's a defense mechanism in that I think that she is uncomfortable with the

00:38:45.500 reality of what she's supporting and she doesn't know what to do. It's like, you know, when you don't

00:38:50.160 know what to say to something, so you do like an awkward laugh. I think that she, I don't think any

00:38:55.980 of them back there had reckoned with what they are actually supporting scientifically. But you know,

00:39:03.300 all of everything that I said, that was all verifiable, by the way, by fact, you can go to

00:39:08.500 even a pro-abortion website. And even though they might not say the word baby, they will say the word

00:39:13.940 fetal tissue or pregnancy remains. That's what the doctor called it. And I did end up calling her out on

00:39:19.700 that. Pregnancy remains. They will tell you what an abortion is and what it actually does. So all

00:39:25.960 of the things that I said were verifiable. But Debbie Wasserman Schultz, if you pay attention to

00:39:31.360 the news, you know she's gotten herself into all kinds of shenanigans in her career. And it's really

00:39:37.260 amazing that she's still in Congress. So the chairwoman announces that I have to leave because

00:39:43.340 I have to get on a flight, which is true. And I really wish that I hadn't had to do that. I really

00:39:47.920 wanted to stay there. There was, again, so much that I wanted to say and so many records to correct.

00:39:54.800 But I really had to get on a flight. And I'm glad that I did because I didn't want to get home any

00:39:59.600 later than I had to. But seconds before I'm about to leave, after it's already been announced that I

00:40:05.520 have to leave, Debbie Wasserman Schultz comes in and she she says this. Madam Chair, I have a question of

00:40:13.860 you. And in fairness, I'd like Ms. Stuckey to hear my question, because I wouldn't want it. I wouldn't

00:40:21.040 want there to be any assumption that I was saying it as she was no longer in the room. I just want to

00:40:27.100 clarify that Ms. Stuckey is here expressing her own opinion exclusively and has no scientific or

00:40:34.000 particular expertise in this subject matter whatsoever. Is that accurate? No, I wanted to ask

00:40:39.560 you from what your knowledge of her experience is in the description of the witness's experience.

00:40:44.960 That's my understanding. Thank you. I just wanted to clarify that particular fact.

00:40:51.480 But I think the witness should answer in all fairness as she's here.

00:40:54.940 I think it says something when I, the one without the scientific or medical background,

00:40:59.880 am the only one to give you specifics on what an abortion procedure actually is.

00:41:05.580 Reclaiming my time, Ms. Stuckey, my question was not as a, not of you. And you have essentially

00:41:10.520 acknowledged that you're here expressing your own opinion, which we appreciate.

00:41:14.480 So I did get the opportunity, thanks to the chairwoman, to respond to her. And even though

00:41:21.340 I did stumble over my words, that was a very unfortunate time to stutter. But it's true. I mean,

00:41:28.620 I was the only one on the panel willing to talk about what an abortion is. I don't have a medical

00:41:35.760 background. Guess what? You don't have to have a medical background. And if you watch the hearing,

00:41:39.980 you'll notice that the doctor never corrected me. The doctor never said, no, that's not what happens.

00:41:45.480 That's not what happens in an abortion. And you're speaking unscientifically. You're not speaking

00:41:49.640 medically. Here's what actually happens. If I were lying, don't you think the doctor in the room would

00:41:54.420 have said, no, that's not what happens. We sprinkle magic fairy dust and the baby just goes away.

00:41:58.460 Into fairy heaven. Don't you think that she maybe would have explained that? But no,

00:42:02.600 she knows exactly what goes on in abortion. And I guarantee you, I guarantee you some shady stuff,

00:42:08.460 some shady stuff's been going on at her Planned Parenthood. Actually, we already know that.

00:42:12.260 We already know that a woman suffered from a botched abortion at the Planned Parenthood in St.

00:42:16.780 Louis. That's already been uncovered by the health department. So she's got some sketchy stuff going on.

00:42:20.760 The last thing that she wants to do is to draw attention to the fact that she is violently

00:42:26.040 killing an unborn child. And as she revealed to Mr. Massey, she would be willing to do that really

00:42:31.980 at any time. Okay. I want to show you one more, I think, exchange. And that is between me and

00:42:41.840 Congressman Heiss.

00:42:43.240 Ms. Stuckey, there have been a lot of medical advances, certainly over the last several decades.

00:42:50.080 Can you tell us about some specific scientific evidence supporting the personhood,

00:42:56.720 the humanity of the baby, the viability?

00:43:00.140 Well, embryology tells us, thank you for your question. First of all, embryology tells us that

00:43:04.120 the child from the moment of conception has a separate DNA. And so when we hear these euphemisms

00:43:10.560 thrown around, like my body, my choice, immediately obscuring the life of the child, it shows me

00:43:15.900 that the pro-abortion argument doesn't deal with fact, it deals with feeling, which is exactly why

00:43:20.180 we've had such a hard time getting any kind of clear answer from any of the panelists of what abortion

00:43:26.200 actually is. What does it do? Because talking about tearing a child apart limb by limb with forceps just

00:43:34.160 isn't a very good PR strategy for Planned Parenthood or the abortion industry. All I'm trying to do is to

00:43:40.840 remind us when we're having this conversation that there are two people. There are two people. And I don't

00:43:46.460 believe that we have to pit a mother against her child in order for a woman to be successful.

00:43:51.800 We talked about, you know, legislative solutions and showing compassion for children after they're born.

00:43:57.600 I absolutely believe in that. Every pro-life pregnancy center that I've ever been a part of, that I've ever

00:44:02.560 donated to, they don't just counsel women. They're also offering parenting classes. They are also

00:44:08.400 offering help from abusive situations. They are offering programs for these young women to be able

00:44:13.940 to get affordable baby clothes and baby products and things like that. And so every pro-life organization

00:44:19.420 I know cares about children in the womb after they're born and the mother who is pregnant with these

00:44:25.460 children. That is what I am trying to argue that let's not ignore the scientific reality that a baby

00:44:31.740 is a baby and therefore, in my opinion, is deserving of the right to life. Okay. So I know I went out of

00:44:37.760 order because I showed the one where I was about to leave and then I showed this one, but, uh, I had

00:44:43.980 forgotten that I wanted to do that. So I just, I appreciate, I so appreciate all of the congressmen.

00:44:48.580 I mean, Democrat and Republican, uh, but especially the Republicans who asked me questions and allowed

00:44:55.140 me, gave me the opportunity to talk about this. I also talked to Congresswoman Miller and to

00:45:00.660 Congresswoman Fox. I don't want to play every single clip, but they are strong, wonderful, amazing women

00:45:06.960 who stand up for life. And I'm so thankful for them. Both of them are champions and I just really

00:45:11.500 appreciate them a lot. Congresswoman Fox is awesome. Like if you haven't seen any videos of her

00:45:18.160 talking, she's got the best little Southern accent and she is so strong and so blunt. Like she just

00:45:23.760 says exactly what it is. And she brought up first, uh, governor Northam's comments about leaving a baby

00:45:30.820 who survives an abortion off to the side to die by itself, which I'm so glad that she brought up and I

00:45:37.080 brought it up as well in my testimony, but we just need to keep on, uh, on emphasizing that over and over

00:45:43.680 again. So I walked away from this whole hearing very, I was defeated in, in a lot of ways, realizing

00:45:53.460 that in the halls of Congress, there is not one, there's not one person on the democratic side that

00:46:00.060 I exchanged with that can even see, at least they are, they're not admitting to be able to see

00:46:07.460 the absolute illogic and immorality and brutality of abortion. And that their minds are so bogged down

00:46:14.100 with ignorance and are so convoluted that they can't, that they can't even form any kind of even

00:46:21.960 pretend coherent arguments because it just doesn't make sense. And so if you're on this side, ask

00:46:27.820 yourself why it's a simple question. This is what I always tell people. And when they ask me, Oh,

00:46:33.140 what should I say to my liberal friend who believes this? Ask them why, why do you believe that?

00:46:37.700 Okay. Why, why this keep going with why ask why without sounding badgering as many times as you can

00:46:44.940 to see how they are able to justify it. All of the women in there who were, they were snapping behind

00:46:51.340 my back whenever one of the pro abortion people said something that didn't make any sense, but maybe

00:46:56.360 sounded good who were literally hissing and laughing behind me. I could hear their, the noises that they

00:47:02.600 were making. Um, they are so, so brainwashed. They're so brainwashed with ignorance and it's

00:47:11.440 cruel, honestly, but I am praying, praying specifically for the girl who rolled her eyes

00:47:16.520 behind me the whole time. But I am just praying that the eyes of their hearts would be enlightened.

00:47:20.500 And I, the reason why it's worth it to me, for me or for anyone else to speak about this,

00:47:27.300 even when we are going to get shouted down and interrupted and condescended and invalidated

00:47:32.420 and laughed at is because of the messages that I receive, not from people in Congress,

00:47:37.840 not from people who work at Planned Parenthood, but you, the, the mom, the college student,

00:47:46.140 the young woman who is just trying to figure out her worldview and you were pro abortion by

00:47:52.720 or pro choice. Maybe you thought you're pro choice by default because that was just what women

00:47:57.960 believe. Maybe you were someone who believes, you know, I'm personally pro life, but I believe that

00:48:01.860 women should have a choice. And those of you who have emailed me, messaged me, tweeted at me,

00:48:07.660 saying, you changed my mind on this. Well, first of all, whether you're a Christian or not,

00:48:11.860 that was the Holy spirit. And I'm very thankful that this podcast can be used in that way.

00:48:17.800 But I speak to you guys. I look at the camera for you guys. I get in front of Congress and in front

00:48:26.840 of C-SPAN cameras for you guys, for those of you whose minds I know can be changed and whose hearts

00:48:33.200 can be molded. I, I mean, I do care, obviously I want all of the minds to be changed on abortion

00:48:38.660 as possible. But if there's just one person who listened to the congressional testimony yesterday,

00:48:44.240 whether it was what I said, what a Congress person said, and they start to wonder about the validity

00:48:49.640 and the morality of their own side, that's totally worth it to me. I don't care how much I get shouted

00:48:53.800 down. I don't care how much I get laughed. I don't care how much Debbie Wasserman Schultz thinks

00:48:57.440 she owns me and then reclaims her time. When I say something that she doesn't like, I don't care.

00:49:02.100 It's all worth it. And what they don't realize is that there are millions and millions of women

00:49:06.900 who the only reason why they think they're pro-choice is because they never thought about

00:49:11.260 it. And then once you think about it just a little, the entire argument of being pro-choice

00:49:15.600 completely falls apart. That's why none of the witnesses on the panel really had anything coherent

00:49:20.460 to say. That's why every time I brought something up that was inconvenient about abortion,

00:49:25.020 the Congress people reclaimed their time. They didn't want to recognize the truth about the

00:49:30.180 whole thing. And let me just say one point about me being credible. No, I'm not a doctor. Like I

00:49:36.740 said, I'm not a scientist. I'm not the head of a reproductive justice organization. Thank God,

00:49:43.300 literally praise God that my mind isn't just insane, made insane by intersectionality.

00:49:50.720 Um, you don't have to be an expert. You don't have to be a doctor to know what abortion is a,

00:49:58.940 and to know that abortion is wrong. That's how they're going to invalidate you. Instead of contending

00:50:04.220 with your verifiable points, they're just going to say, well, you don't have any expertise on this.

00:50:08.840 So we don't have to listen to you. That's a really easy, lazy ad hominem way of not having to contend

00:50:15.020 with anything that you say. Okay. Let's think about that. If a botanist tells you that a flower

00:50:22.180 is made out of styrofoam and a little kid tells you that a flower is not made out of styrofoam,

00:50:28.720 like flowers in the grass, do you have to believe the botanist just because the botanist said so?

00:50:34.040 If an astrologist says, Hey, did you know that stars in the sky are actually just really bright

00:50:39.180 little kittens hanging there? Would you, do you have to believe him because he's an astrologist or

00:50:44.600 would you believe the other person who's not an astrologist that says, uh, actually stars are not

00:50:49.220 made out of little kittens that, uh, astrologist can be wrong. Even if they have a title, even if

00:50:56.260 they have background, some things we just know there are things that are knowable without a medical

00:51:00.940 degree. And what I have learned being in this career and knowing politicians on the left side of the

00:51:07.600 aisle and knowing advocates for issues that don't make any sense. You can be really educated and

00:51:14.360 stupid. You can be really smart and wrong. So remember that don't let them try to invalidate

00:51:20.860 you simply because you don't have the credentials that they think that you need to have. Because

00:51:24.420 the reality is, even if you told them, look, I've been an OBGYN for 50 years and abortion is the

00:51:31.420 killing of an unborn child and the child can feel pain, whatever you want. They're not going to

00:51:36.000 listen to you. Do you think if I had a medical degree and had been in medicine for 10 years

00:51:40.840 and I told Debbie Wasserman Schultz, what an abortion is, do you think that would have changed

00:51:44.760 her mind? Do you think she would have been like, Oh, okay, well now I'm pro-life. Thank you.

00:51:49.260 No, of course not. Of course not. So I did come away a little bit discouraged just about how little

00:51:54.960 they know. And it struck me that they're never ever made to defend their position at all. The media

00:52:02.480 just consistently covers for them, which is why they are so bad at this. And let me, but let me tell

00:52:06.840 you why, even though they are just, I was very depressed by how ignorant and immoral their arguments

00:52:14.800 were, but I was very proud of the Republicans in the committee and how the committee hearing actually

00:52:21.940 went because Democrats called this meeting. They called this committee hearing and they said,

00:52:27.740 we want to talk about the radical Missouri legislation. And they ended up for most of the

00:52:33.840 hearing, not all, but for most of the hearing, they were on the defense the whole time. They were

00:52:39.440 the ones having to defend their position. They were the ones having to defend Planned Parenthood. They

00:52:43.520 were the ones having to defend abortion, which is exactly how it should be. We shouldn't have to

00:52:48.600 defend anything. Honestly, we have the moral position. We have the mainstream position. We have the

00:52:53.780 logical position. Ours is normal. We have a normal position that, okay, humanity, we know scientifically

00:53:00.440 starts at conception. And so there's no reason that I can think of any logical reason that a human being

00:53:07.860 shouldn't have human rights. That's normal, logical. You have to do all kinds of mental and moral

00:53:14.620 gymnastics to say why a life once in the womb has human rights, but outside of the womb doesn't.

00:53:22.180 What happened in the birth canal? Was it some magical thing that happened? Does the fetus fairy grant

00:53:28.820 human rights? That's when I say the pro-abortion argument is on feelings. And of course we know that

00:53:33.760 even a baby who survives an abortion to them doesn't have rights. So what is it? When do humans get human

00:53:40.040 rights? If not at the moment of conception, it becomes very arbitrary. That's why they function off

00:53:46.960 of deceit off of deceit and painting themselves as empowering and knowledgeable when really they just

00:53:54.720 have no, no argument, no argument whatsoever. Um, but Republicans did a really, really great job.

00:54:02.360 And I was very thankful to be there as angry as it makes me as frustrated as it makes me as much as

00:54:08.520 I hate being accused of things that I didn't say or didn't do or mischaracterized or gaslit. I

00:54:15.520 am thankful. I'm so thankful for the opportunity. Uh, glory be to God alone for any truth that was

00:54:25.040 shared from me or the other, uh, Republican Congress people. And may this help, may this help the cause

00:54:34.200 of life? That, that is what I, that's what I hope. I'm so grateful for the opportunity that God allowed

00:54:40.220 me to do that. And, um, I hope that it motivates some of you and emboldens some of you to speak out

00:54:47.820 about this. Talk to your friends about it. Talk about it on social media, uh, volunteer at your local

00:54:54.160 pro-life center, your local crisis pregnancy center that doesn't perform abortions, obviously donate to

00:54:59.520 them. Um, ask your church. This is what I'm, well, I'm kind of in the process of doing, but to be

00:55:05.780 perfectly honest, I'll just be honest with you guys. I've kind of dropped the ball a little bit

00:55:09.300 over the past few months since I had a baby, but see if you're, uh, if your church has a ministry to

00:55:16.380 women who are in crisis, to pregnant women, see if there's something that you can get involved in or

00:55:21.100 see if there's something that you can start. That is my hope, um, on my end of things and see how

00:55:27.480 you can get involved. Of course, push for legislation. Uh, you can call your congressperson.

00:55:33.000 You can get to know your local officials. You can get to know your state officials and see what's

00:55:39.360 going on. Make sure that you know what's going on as far as local or state legislation. That's also

00:55:44.940 something that I'm trying to get better at. Sometimes I focus way too much on national policy.

00:55:49.520 I would say most of the time I do in national issues rather than what's going on right here,

00:55:53.540 but becoming a mom has, has changed that. I've really tried to say, okay, what's going on right

00:55:59.500 around me that I can have a direct effect on. That's the quest or that's the thing that we all

00:56:03.680 need to be doing. Pray, pray your hearts out. Uh, whenever I am just struck by the surreal reality

00:56:11.340 that, uh, we are debating whether or not it's okay to kill a child. I just have to pray,

00:56:16.980 pray. Jesus changes hearts. He changes minds. And when people become a Christian and they look back to

00:56:23.120 see the leftist nonsense that they believed, especially when it comes to abortion, um,

00:56:29.360 it's really, it's just amazing to see that transformation. And I'm thankful. I'm thankful

00:56:35.060 for what the Lord can do that we cannot and that he chooses to use us. Okay. That's all I have to say

00:56:40.180 about that. I will see you guys back here on Wednesday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - November 18, 2019

Ep 187 ｜ My Pro-Life Fight Before Congress

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