Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 188

00:00:00.000 Hello, relatable listeners. Happy Wednesday. I hope everyone has had a great week so far.

00:00:05.960 Next week is Thanksgiving, which I am very excited about. I think I've said before that

00:00:12.120 I'm more excited about this year's holidays than I ever have been. I don't know if it's something

00:00:17.640 about having a kid. She's not going to remember this Thanksgiving and Christmas at all. She's

00:00:23.160 not even going to appreciate it, but something, I don't know, about it being her first holiday

00:00:27.780 season makes me really excited. So I'm pumped. I hope you guys are. I hope that you guys have

00:00:33.560 fun plans to just relax and be with your family. Let me know what you guys are doing. I'm really

00:00:38.420 curious. Send me a message or an email. Okay, today we are going to talk about two big stories. We'll

00:00:43.660 see if we have time to cover anything else, but I have a lot to say about especially this first

00:00:48.320 story, and that is about Chick-fil-A. No longer donating to certain organizations, including

00:00:54.500 the Salvation Army, Fellowship of Christian Athletes or FCA, and Paul Anderson Youth Home

00:01:00.960 amid LGBT backlash. So we're going to go into all of that. I've shared some of my opinions

00:01:07.320 on social media already. You may have seen, but I am going to go all in, as they say, and

00:01:13.660 tell you exactly what I think about that. Then we're going to talk about Kanye West at Lakewood

00:01:20.200 Church, which is a mega church led by Joel Osteen in Houston, and tell you what I think

00:01:26.220 about that. I'll play a little clip from it. The episode that we did on Kanye West, Kanye

00:01:31.380 knows that Jesus is King from a couple weeks ago, three weeks ago, maybe. That's actually

00:01:36.620 the most listened to episode of Relatable ever, which is kind of crazy. So I did an episode

00:01:43.160 called Three Myths Christian Women Believe. I think that's what it's called from in January

00:01:49.100 of this year, and that held the title as the most listened to episode for a really long

00:01:56.060 time. And that's the episode still that I see shared the most by Christian women. But Kanye

00:02:01.980 knows Jesus is King is the title of the episode, and it's now taken first place, which is kind

00:02:08.280 of crazy. It's probably because this is such an unbelievable, it seems like turn of events

00:02:14.600 that Kanye West really did release a gospel album. If you haven't listened to that yet,

00:02:18.240 then you can go back and listen to that episode. But first, let's go into this first. Oh, also,

00:02:23.640 we're going to be talking about International Men's Day. I'm just going to touch on it. I'm

00:02:27.280 going to play you a little video to honor the wonderful men in our lives. Well, as I'm recording

00:02:32.780 this, it's International Men's Day. So as you're listening to this, yesterday was International

00:02:36.740 Men's Day, but we're going to do a little belated celebration. So okay, Chick-fil-A no longer

00:02:42.980 donating to these three organizations, Salvation Army, FCA, Paul Anderson Youth Home. The reason

00:02:48.800 why this is a story is because these three organizations are the last three organizations

00:02:54.460 Chick-fil-A donated to that stand for biblical marriage. You might recall a story that we actually

00:03:01.860 didn't talk about on this podcast for whatever reason. I don't know, maybe it fell on a weekend

00:03:06.040 and I just didn't end up talking about it. But the singer Ellie Golding, she declared ever

00:03:11.540 so courageously that she was not going to be performing at the Cowboys Thanksgiving halftime

00:03:17.000 show this year. If the Salvation Army, who is a sponsor of the game, doesn't provide a statement

00:03:22.180 pledging themselves to the LGBTQ community or a donation or pledging a donation to one of their

00:03:28.260 organizations. I'm going to go off on a tangent on this particular story for just a second since we

00:03:33.920 didn't cover it. And it's all pertinent to the greater conversation about the Chick-fil-A thing.

00:03:38.360 This is the privilege of being oppressed in the United States of America. It is amazing the power

00:03:45.880 that the LGBT lobby has to get people to bully one of the world's largest charitable organizations

00:03:55.260 with membership of over 1.7 million people throughout the world. It's present in more than 131 countries

00:04:01.420 since 1865. The Salvation Army has been running charity shops, homeless shelters, helping with

00:04:08.240 disaster relief, humanitarian aid for a century and a half, over a century and a half. This organization

00:04:16.440 has probably helped more people around the world than any other single charitable humanitarian

00:04:22.160 organization ever has. And the LGBT coalition is canceling them because the Salvation Army is Christian

00:04:30.540 and because they're Christian, they believe in biblical marriage. They have been accused of

00:04:35.460 refusing to serve gay people and trans people. But of course, these are myths. As the Salvation Army

00:04:41.160 has said time and again, they provided a statement recently that said, an individual's sexual or gender

00:04:47.240 identity, religion, or lifestyle has no bearing on our willingness to provide service. We stand firmly

00:04:53.280 behind our mission to meet human needs in his name. So that's Jesus's name without discrimination.

00:04:58.740 According to CNN, in 2013, the organization maintained that the Bible forbade sexual intimacy between

00:05:05.500 members of the same sex maintained. So they didn't just acknowledge that the Bible actually does

00:05:10.520 forbid this, but they just maintained that the Bible forbade sexual intimacy between members of the same

00:05:15.480 sex, saying that gay Christians should embrace celibacy and that scripture did not support same-sex

00:05:21.280 marriages, but that its services were available to all people. So this is true.

00:05:27.320 The Salvation Army does in its ideological, religious, mission beliefs. They do believe

00:05:35.700 in biblical marriage, but as they have said time and again, and I'm sure as they have proven by

00:05:40.780 practice, they don't discriminate in their services. So my question is, who cares if they're not

00:05:46.900 discriminating against feeding and housing and helping people? Who cares what they believe? They're a

00:05:52.240 Christian organization, which means that yes, they believe in the Bible. And because they believe

00:05:56.500 in the Bible, they believe in a biblical definition of marriage as all adherents to the Bible do.

00:06:02.220 If you want to know the why behind this biblically, behind why Christians believe in marriage being

00:06:09.560 between a man and a woman, it's not just some arbitrary, archaic belief. It's not just some

00:06:13.940 extracting and decontextualizing a few verses in the Old Testament. That's not what it's about.

00:06:19.960 It's about something much bigger, much more eternal than that. Then you can listen to my

00:06:24.100 episode, which is titled Biblical Marriage, which explains this thoroughly. And you know what? If

00:06:29.820 you're not a Christian, though, if you're not a Christian, I don't expect you to believe that. I

00:06:33.980 don't think any Christian expects you to believe the same things we do if you're not a Christian and

00:06:38.920 if you don't care what the Bible says. I don't expect you to adhere to a biblical definition of

00:06:43.120 marriage if you don't believe in the Bible. And we're not forcing that upon you. And the law

00:06:49.660 already recognizes legally what's described as marriage, even though biblically it's not described

00:06:55.020 as marriage. The law recognizes now your right to be married to whoever you want to. And yet,

00:07:02.480 LGBT activists, not all LGBT people, but these activists are not content with allowing us to

00:07:09.380 believe what we believe and to live out those beliefs authentically. Even when those beliefs

00:07:15.340 actually don't affect you, actually don't affect them at all. The same people who constantly preach

00:07:21.620 about self-love and living authentically are also telling us that we cannot believe what we believe.

00:07:29.040 We cannot be authentic to our faith, that rather than obey God, we have to obey them or else they

00:07:33.700 will bully us into submission. It's like Nebuchadnezzar saying, bow down to my image. Shadrach,

00:07:39.980 Meshach, and Abednego were like, no, we are not going to do that. And I'm not saying that we are,

00:07:46.140 I'm not trying to insert ourselves into the story, but I think there's a lesson that we can draw from

00:07:50.220 that, that Christians is the first commandment says, you shall have no other gods before me.

00:07:55.020 We're not supposed to acquiesce to an ideology, an idea, a group that contradicts what the Bible

00:08:01.980 says. These activists do not care that an organization like the Salvation Army has helped more

00:08:08.740 people in its existence than probably any other group ever has. They don't care what they do for

00:08:13.980 the homeless or the abused or the vulnerable or the hungry. They care about ideological purity. They

00:08:20.020 are ideological tyrants. They are like 1984 thought police. They're patrolling your mind and your

00:08:25.940 beliefs to make sure that everything that you think aligns with the things that they think or else

00:08:30.560 what, or else they're going to make your life miserable and they are going to make your business

00:08:36.000 as submissive to their ideas and their worldview as possible, which is what they've done with

00:08:43.300 Chick-fil-A for years or what they've tried to do with Chick-fil-A for years, ever since the CEO said

00:08:48.600 his belief in biblical said or articulated his belief in biblical marriage, because again, Dan Cathy is a

00:08:55.260 Christian. So we would expect him to have a Christian definition of what marriage is because

00:08:59.920 Christians by nature believe in the Bible and the Bible, as I've said, is clear on the subject. It really

00:09:04.680 shouldn't be that controversial, even if you disagree with it. Um, and by the way, by the way,

00:09:10.920 I always think it's important to remind us of this until like two seconds ago, this is what the majority

00:09:16.660 of Americans believed about marriage. That's just a fact. Uh, it's only been since 2015 when a

00:09:23.520 Berger fell was decided that people who believe in what's called traditional marriage have been called

00:09:29.480 bigots. It's called traditional marriage because it has been the definition of marriage for all of

00:09:37.020 time. And by the way, this definition of marriage and sexuality is the sole reason why any of us are

00:09:44.200 currently here. It's been like this for millennia, but in the past four years, all of a sudden it's

00:09:49.400 scandalous to believe in what literally has been the definition of, uh, human reproductive relationships

00:09:57.000 and marriage forever. Um, but we are called, we are called the religious fundamentalists,

00:10:03.620 but the reality is the reality is they are the religious fundamentalists. Leftists are the

00:10:09.340 religious fundamentalists. Uh, we take our faith seriously. Yes, we take the word of God seriously,

00:10:14.720 but we're not trying to coerce you into believing what we believe. We're not trying to cancel you

00:10:19.960 for disagreeing with us. Maybe there was a certain point in history in which that was true. Uh, but that's

00:10:25.800 not the case anymore. That hasn't been the case for a long time. You are free to believe what you want

00:10:30.380 to believe. You're free to do what you want to do as long as it's legal. We're not going to agree

00:10:35.160 with it, but we would simply like the same courtesy, the freedom to disagree, to operate out of our own

00:10:41.880 beliefs. Just leave us alone. Religious people have a constitutional right to religious liberty.

00:10:47.080 You do not have a constitutional right not to be offended. That's just the truth. And yet, and yet

00:10:52.380 you would think you would think with how companies bow down with how they kowtow to these woke,

00:10:58.840 a woke activists of all different kinds that they do have a constitutional right not to be offended.

00:11:03.520 Case in point, Chick-fil-A. Now, some of you have said, Ali, these headlines are misleading. They're

00:11:09.380 not true. Chick-fil-A is just restructuring their charitable giving, which is partly true. This is

00:11:15.160 partly true. They had a multi-year deal with these three organizations, Paul Anderson Youth Home,

00:11:20.240 FCA, Salvation Army, and they fulfilled their obligation. And now they say that they're focusing

00:11:25.840 on three things. That's education, hunger, and homelessness. So that's true. But here's why that

00:11:31.280 doesn't make a whole lot of sense. These three organizations focus on education, hunger, and

00:11:37.200 homelessness. Paul Anderson Youth Home is a Christian program for so-called troubled young men. That's what

00:11:43.160 they say on their website. Men who have gotten in trouble with the law, but aren't in jail, who have

00:11:47.480 struggled with things like substance abuse or other addictions. It's an amazing program. I actually

00:11:51.880 used to work for the PR company that did PR for them for a little bit. Fellowship of Christian

00:11:59.160 Athletes aims to make disciples through athletes and coaches. And we know what Salvation Army does.

00:12:04.620 We've already talked about that. But the characteristic that all of these organizations share, besides that

00:12:09.760 they all do unequivocally good work for their communities, is that they all believe in biblical

00:12:15.760 marriage. So I just don't think this is a coincidence. BizNow reports, and this is the

00:12:22.040 this is the report that really started the whole thing. It was an exclusive article when it first

00:12:27.700 came out. And of course, other organizations, other outlets have picked it up since then. So this is what

00:12:32.200 they report. The move comes after several US airports rejected the company from concessions deals

00:12:37.700 earlier this year. More recently, the landlord of the first Chick-fil-A in the UK announced eight days

00:12:42.720 into the lease. The pop up venue would not be welcome to extend all because of the company's

00:12:47.560 perceived anti LGBT stance. The San Antonio City Council was voting on an airport concessions

00:12:54.400 contract in March when ThinkProgress reported that Chick-fil-A was still donating to anti LGBT

00:12:59.460 groups. And so let's see the San Antonio City Council brought up brought up the article at the

00:13:07.760 council meeting and counselors voted in favor of the concessions contract. As long as a plan took

00:13:12.660 was dropped from the deal. The story had ripple effect because Delaware North, the concessions

00:13:17.620 handler for Buffalo Niagara International Airport, also decided in March not to move ahead with plans

00:13:22.780 for Chick-fil-A at that airport. And officials in San Jose, California announced they would not renew

00:13:28.180 the chain's lease at the airport when it runs out in 2026. More than 100 LGBT and animal rights

00:13:35.960 protesters showed up to opening day at Chick-fil-A's first Toronto store in September.

00:13:40.080 After protests and a boycott by a local LGBT group, the landlord behind a Chick-fil-A pop-up

00:13:45.500 store at a mall in Reading, England, announced eight days into the lease that it would not renew

00:13:50.260 with the chain because the mall is meant to offer an inclusive space where everyone is welcome.

00:13:54.620 Here's what I here's what I don't understand about that. So number one, the Chick-fil-A in Manhattan,

00:14:02.200 probably the most liberal city in the country, maybe, maybe next to LA and San Francisco,

00:14:08.040 but right up there, is doing pretty well. I would guess every time I've been there,

00:14:13.220 the line has been out the door, literally out the door. So unless I'm just not seeing something,

00:14:19.240 I've never seen a protester. I mean, I've been there pretty often. I've never seen a protester

00:14:23.100 in front of there. I've never seen or heard people talk about, wow, I can't believe Chick-fil-A is in

00:14:27.480 New York. I'm not visiting New York or I'm not going to Times Square. I'm not visiting Manhattan.

00:14:32.460 I'm not going to the store. I guarantee you the vast majority of people that go into that Chick-fil-A

00:14:36.180 are liberal and they might not like it that they donate to these liberal groups,

00:14:40.040 but it seems like that store is doing pretty well. So I'm wondering why Chick-fil-A can't look at that

00:14:44.600 and say, okay, yes, there's going to be some outrage in the beginning, but once we get over

00:14:48.440 that hump, people are still going to buy our chicken sandwiches because we have good service

00:14:52.500 and our chicken sandwiches are good. And there's a huge group of people, and I'll touch on this in a

00:14:57.200 minute, a huge group of people that go to Chick-fil-A specifically, exclusively, pretty much

00:15:02.860 because of their ideological beliefs, because they have stood up against the rage mob for so long and

00:15:09.080 said, you know what, we're giving money to these organizations that believe in biblical marriage

00:15:12.460 because they do good work. And hey, it's okay that our CEO also has the same beliefs, that he also

00:15:18.600 adheres to the Bible. That is a huge reason why so many Christian conservatives, who, by the way,

00:15:25.280 are the core customers for Chick-fil-A, go to Chick-fil-A. I think that they underestimate that.

00:15:31.720 But my other thing that I think is weird is that obviously there's been backlash. There's been a lot

00:15:37.240 of at least annoyance and resentment against Chick-fil-A for not being open on Sundays. And so

00:15:44.020 if we are acquiescing in this arena, stopping our donations to organizations that are so-called

00:15:50.400 problematic according to the woke, because it is hindering the growth, then why not just open on

00:15:57.260 Sundays for the same reason? If that's what you're worried about, then why don't you just stay open

00:16:03.960 seven days a week? If you're more concerned about growth than you are your values, then there's no

00:16:10.680 reason, I don't think, to be closed on Sunday. Let the people get their chicken biscuits after

00:16:14.640 they're hungover on Saturday night. Why not? So that's what I don't really understand about all

00:16:22.080 of this. And again, it doesn't matter to the activists who have tried so hard for so long to

00:16:26.840 get Chick-fil-A to push over on this. It doesn't matter to them that the Salvation Army does incredible

00:16:33.100 work. It didn't matter that Chick-fil-A has impeccable service and doesn't actually have

00:16:38.600 any policies whatsoever that discriminate against gay or trans people. What mattered, what matters to

00:16:44.320 them is that Chick-fil-A wasn't allowed, wasn't allowed, according to them, to be associated with

00:16:49.700 Christian organizations that operate on Christian principles. That's what mattered to these

00:16:53.640 activists. And I guess that's now what matters to Chick-fil-A. In regards to this change, chief

00:16:58.700 operating officer Tim Tassapalas, Tassapalas, I don't know how to say his last name, said in an

00:17:04.480 interview with BizNow, there's no question we know that as we go into new markets, we need to be clear

00:17:09.060 about who we are. Chick-fil-A president, oh, he's also the Chick-fil-A president. Sorry, I said that

00:17:15.380 incorrectly, but Chick-fil-A president and COO Tim Tassapalas said that. And then he said,

00:17:19.940 there are lots of articles and newscasts about Chick-fil-A and we thought we needed to be clear

00:17:24.420 about our message. So this is intentional. This is intentional what they're doing. There are some

00:17:29.120 people that are saying, oh, this is not intentional. Conservatives are blowing out of this out of

00:17:32.820 proportion. No, this is an intentional political move. Another executive said that after years of

00:17:38.480 taking it on the chin, changes had to be made. Relevant Magazine had an article saying,

00:17:44.440 oh, you guys are just making too big a deal of this. And only quoted conservatives this article

00:17:49.560 did freaking out about this and said, no, this is just restructuring blah, blah, blah. No, it's not.

00:17:55.360 No, it's not. This is clearly in response to the pushback they've gotten. And the article in Relevant

00:18:00.580 Magazine failed to cite the multiple sources that reported that this is in response to LGBTQ pushback.

00:18:07.600 And I think we can take the statement of its COO and another executive to confirm that.

00:18:13.780 So the question is, is all of this going to work? Is acquiescing to the LGBT rage mob going to work?

00:18:19.440 Is this going to bring Chick-fil-A back into the good graces of the woke? Well, here's a statement

00:18:25.400 by GLAAD, the Gay and Lesbian and Trans Etc. Alliance. They said, in addition to refraining from

00:18:31.460 financially supporting anti-LGBTQ organizations, Chick-fil-A still lacks policies to ensure safe

00:18:38.600 workplaces for LGBTQ employees and should unequivocally speak out against the anti-LGBTQ

00:18:45.420 reputation that their brand represents. Listen, you guys, listen, Chick-fil-A. The woke can never be

00:18:52.340 satiated. They will never be satisfied. There is nothing you, Chick-fil-A, will ever do to get back in

00:19:00.640 their good graces. You can look at this hashtag or the story on Twitter and all of the people who

00:19:06.780 have been on the left side of this issue are saying too little too late. I'm sorry, you've done too much

00:19:12.360 damage. I'm never going to eat a Chick-fil-A chicken sandwich, blah, blah, blah. You will never appease

00:19:18.840 them. You will never appease them. This is not going to help your business. Like I said, there are

00:19:24.460 thousands of people. Yes, there are a lot of people who eat at Chick-fil-A. They don't care about the

00:19:27.860 politics. They don't care about the ideology. They just like their, their nuggets, their chicken

00:19:31.900 sandwich, and they're eliminated. Yes, that is absolutely true. But there are a lot of people

00:19:36.760 who love Chick-fil-A, not just for their chicken, not just for their awesome service, which is amazing

00:19:42.360 by the way, but also at least in part, they love Chick-fil-A because of who they are, because they

00:19:47.920 have stayed true to their mission and true to their values for a long time. So a deliberate choice to say

00:19:53.280 we are no longer going to donate money to organizations. These are not organizations

00:19:58.920 that exclusively or primarily stand or centrally stand against gay marriage. These are organizations

00:20:06.040 that do a lot of humanitarian good who just happen to be Christian organizations who just happen to

00:20:13.060 believe in biblical marriage because of those things. And so they're saying, you know what? It's

00:20:17.480 more important for us to take our money away from organizations that we know we're doing good,

00:20:22.280 especially the Salvation Army, the number one organization that fights against homelessness

00:20:27.260 and hunger. We're going to take our money away from them because they have a controversial stance

00:20:32.140 that makes it a little bit difficult for us to go into certain markets that believe that we are

00:20:36.620 anti-LGBTQ. You are kidding yourself if you think this is going to help that problem. I see this all

00:20:44.500 the time. I see this within the church. I see this with pastors. I see this with Christians. I see this

00:20:49.280 with organizations. They think that they are going to be woke enough to cover up the things that they

00:20:57.660 believe. So the Christian things that they believe. That if they're woke in a certain area, then maybe

00:21:03.140 the left will be okay with them and they won't bully them and they'll accept them and they'll link arms

00:21:09.160 with them. They'll be allies with them and hold hands with them saying kumbaya. That never happens.

00:21:13.780 Unless you are able to, unless you are willing to bow down on the altar of leftism, on the altar of

00:21:21.460 so-called progressivism, you will never be accepted by the left. You will always be told you're a bigot.

00:21:27.920 You will always be excluded. And this is why I say the left, they are the religious fundamentalists.

00:21:33.600 They are the ones who say you have to take up your cross, deny yourself and follow leftism in order

00:21:43.040 to be a part of it. Which is why I say that it is so hard, if not impossible to be a leftist and a

00:21:50.360 Christian. And it's not because Jesus is asking us at the pearly gates, hey, what's your, what's your

00:21:57.960 religious association affiliation or what's your political affiliation before we allow you in?

00:22:03.680 It's because leftism does not tolerate any view that aligns with the Bible. You will be kicked out.

00:22:09.700 You will be bullied until you finally and fully submit until Chick-fil-A is waving pride flags

00:22:17.980 outside of each store until they come out with some kind of advertisement saying boys are girls and

00:22:24.260 girls are boys. They are never even going to be considered by the woke, by the left to be even a

00:22:30.960 little bit acceptable. I hope they understand that, that this just is not, in my opinion, a smart business

00:22:37.480 decision. Now, it may be true that people who love Chick-fil-A, maybe this won't change their sales at all.

00:22:43.120 I certainly, I don't think it's going to help because I've always heard them say that if we ever opened

00:22:48.140 on Sunday, that would be basically the beginning of the end for Chick-fil-A. And so they know enough,

00:22:54.020 obviously, they know enough to realize that their values are what sets them apart. It's why they are

00:22:59.980 so wildly successful as a fast food chain. And yet, and yet they don't see this, I guess, as a part of

00:23:05.980 that, or they just underestimate the love that people have for Chick-fil-A based on their values

00:23:13.380 and based on the strength, based on their ability to quote, take it on the chin for so long. And I just

00:23:20.680 can't imagine that this is going to be helpful. Again, I don't know that it's going to hurt their

00:23:24.400 sales that much, but I can't imagine that it's going to be helpful. And I think a lot of people

00:23:29.360 do see it as a betrayal. Again, we're not asking Chick-fil-A to discriminate. Of course,

00:23:34.520 we don't want that. We don't want them to change their policies to, you know, be mean or discriminate

00:23:40.480 against one group of people. Of course not. But yes, we want them to stand strong and donate into

00:23:46.680 charities that do good work that just happen to believe in biblical marriage and them saying,

00:23:52.420 no, we're not going to do that. It's weak. It's, it's so weak. And quite frankly, I think it's

00:23:57.580 embarrassing. So that's my take on all of that. You guys know how much I love Chick-fil-A. Like how

00:24:03.120 often did I talk about Chick-fil-A in my pregnancy? The number one thing that I craved all nine months.

00:24:09.140 I love Chick-fil-A. I do. And I'm not calling for a boycott here, but I, I'm a little bitter.

00:24:15.540 I'm bitter. I'm bitter against this decision. I think it is stupid. I think it's completely

00:24:21.300 idiotic. And I hope that they've enjoyed the backlash over the past couple of days because

00:24:27.840 you had a line of defense, Chick-fil-A against the woke, against the people that were talking about

00:24:34.520 how terrible Chick-fil-A was and how bigoted they were. You had people like me, Christian

00:24:39.760 conservatives, and even just people, even Pete Buttigieg. It was like, you know what? I need a

00:24:43.840 Chick-fil-A chicken sandwich. Who cares? That's the logical stance to, to take care to, on, on his

00:24:50.820 end. But you had all of us saying, you know what? They're free to believe what they want to believe.

00:24:57.440 And now you don't have that line of defense anymore. And I'm not saying, I'm not saying that

00:25:01.720 Chick-fil-A can't do what they want to do with their own money. Of course they can. And if that's

00:25:05.220 how they want to realign themselves value-wise, then they're totally free to do that. And I'm not

00:25:10.620 out here calling for a boycott. It's the acquiescence to the rage mob that shows me that

00:25:16.900 there is some moral weakness there. And it just bothers me. It bothers me. And again, I think it's

00:25:23.720 a stupid business decision. I think it's a stupid moral decision, but if that's the direction that

00:25:29.780 they want to go, good luck, good luck. Like I said, you will never satiate the left, but best of luck to

00:25:37.180 you in that endeavor. Okay. Now we're going to move on to Kanye West, who has been doing a lot

00:25:42.720 of stuff in the past couple of weeks. He visited a prison and he performed there. The video of that

00:25:48.420 is pretty moving. And he went to Lakewood church, which is the church of Joel Osteen, a huge mega

00:25:54.880 church in Houston. And you guys know, most of you know how I feel about Joel Osteen. If you don't know,

00:26:00.580 I would go back and listen to an episode that I did. Also one of the most listened to episodes of this

00:26:06.960 podcast called plans to prosper question mark. It's called plans to prosper question mark. If

00:26:11.660 you have Apple podcasts, you just type it in plans to prosper question mark relatable,

00:26:15.620 and it will pop up. You can Google it. It'll come up too. And it's on YouTube and all of that good

00:26:20.840 stuff. So I talk about why the prosperity gospel isn't biblical and how Joel Osteen specifically

00:26:26.780 represents this prosperity gospel. Now my hope is that Joel repents from this. And I know

00:26:30.980 every time I talk about this, there are at least a few angry people, especially on Facebook

00:26:35.640 saying that I'm being judgmental. Well, the Bible calls us to discern false teachers.

00:26:40.080 So if you want to read second Timothy four or second Peter two, and you can listen to Joel

00:26:45.440 Osteen sermons, you can tell me what you come back with, and we can have a conversation and a debate

00:26:49.980 about this. But according to God's word and listening to his sermons, he preaches a false doctrine.

00:26:57.780 He just does. He does. Um, and Kanye West, there was a lot of controversy within the Christian

00:27:03.460 community about whether it was okay for Kanye West to go to Lakewood. Of course, the Bible also

00:27:08.380 instructs us not to associate with false teachers. And there were people saying, is this Kanye stuff

00:27:13.740 real? Blah, blah, blah. On my episode, I choose to believe that it is real. And I choose to celebrate

00:27:19.020 the fact that people are hearing the gospel for the first time from a very unlikely source.

00:27:24.580 But yes, when I heard that he was going to be at Lakewood, I wasn't super excited about that

00:27:30.160 because I think Joel Osteen leads people astray that he doesn't preach the true gospel. He

00:27:34.960 admittedly doesn't preach about sin, uh, which is pretty necessary. If you're going to teach people

00:27:40.640 about salvation and sanctification, the three S's that all pastors should be talking about every

00:27:45.200 single Sunday. Um, but it seems like that's just not his priority. In fact, he has said his goal is

00:27:51.460 to just help people sleep at night. Well, you can help people sleep at night, right? In the hell.

00:27:55.080 So I wasn't really excited about this whole collaboration, but as I've said, Kanye is a

00:28:02.240 new Christian. We all had not good doctrinal theological beliefs when we first became

00:28:09.140 Christians. I know that I did. So I'm not saying there's not grace for this situation. I will say,

00:28:14.980 yes, God can use anything. And, uh, apparently the gospel was preached when Kanye West was there,

00:28:21.880 which is awesome. And I watched a clip of it and it, I mean, it's an amazing performance. It just

00:28:28.440 is. So I'm going to play you a little bit of a highlight from that service. Even for someone

00:28:33.280 who's professing God and saying, this is going to be a God, a gospel album. The devil is going to come

00:28:38.640 and do everything he can to distract people from knowing how to fully be in service to the Lord.

00:28:48.360 And all of that arrogance and confidence and cockiness that y'all seen me use, uh, before God is now

00:28:59.440 using for him.

00:29:00.440 King of kings, lord of gods, all the things he has in store. From the rich to the poor, all I welcome

00:29:08.120 through the door. You will never be the same when you call on Jesus' name. Listen to the words I'm

00:29:15.400 saying. Jesus saved me, now I'm saying. And I know, I know God is the force that picked me up. I know Christ is the

00:29:24.920 fountain that filled my cup. So look, like I said, that's obviously an incredible, it's an incredible

00:29:32.260 performance. I mean, I would love to attend one of the Sunday services and see what it's like. Um,

00:29:38.680 I, I won't go into all the analysis about Kanye because like I said, I did that a few weeks ago,

00:29:43.800 go back and listen to the episode. If you're interested in what I think, uh, no, this is not

00:29:48.340 necessarily an alliance that I'm excited about because I just don't think it's, uh, I don't,

00:29:56.520 I, I'm not sure how beneficial it is, but, but who knows? Maybe people heard the gospel for the

00:30:02.160 first time and that's amazing. I'm still very thankful for what Kanye West is doing for the

00:30:07.300 gospel album that he put out for how many young people apparently are going to church for the first

00:30:13.180 time or hearing the gospel for the first time or picking up a Bible for the first time. I mean,

00:30:17.980 that's pretty amazing. Praise God for that. And it sounds like whenever I hear Kanye talk,

00:30:23.740 it sounds like he is humbly, uh, accepting simply being a vessel for the Lord to work.

00:30:29.660 And I pray that the Lord continues to do that. I pray that the Lord continues to humble him,

00:30:33.820 humble all of us, sanctify him, sanctify all of us, and to use him to preach the gospel. I pray that

00:30:40.620 God would keep him close, that God would align his heart and his mind to his word and his law.

00:30:48.600 And that the Holy Spirit would work in him, in and through him. I mean, praise God for what he can

00:30:53.640 do, especially through those that we deem unlikely. So I'm still very, very thankful for that. And I

00:30:59.900 pray that Joel, maybe Joel heard the gospel from Kanye West and he's like, wow, we've been preaching

00:31:04.480 too much of this health and wealth stuff. That would be amazing. Who knows? So I just wanted to make

00:31:09.660 sure that we cover that. Okay. Last and final thing, like I said, yesterday was international men's day.

00:31:15.180 And I want to play you this video. This is a video of, uh, uh, group of officers. I was about

00:31:22.840 to say a squad, but a group of officers in Fort Worth, Texas, saving an eight year old that was

00:31:29.640 kidnapped, literally snatched out of her mother's arms in an affluent neighborhood in Fort Worth,

00:31:35.840 an eight year old, just walking with her mom and a guy drives up. This was caught on a ring doorbell,

00:31:41.300 by the way, uh, ring doorbell camera was a guy drove up, grabbed her child, pulled the child into

00:31:48.840 the car. And the mom starts screaming, calls the police. And a few hours later, this was back in

00:31:54.240 May, but the body cam footage just came out. Uh, the, the Fort Worth police found the guy and found

00:32:01.840 the eight year old in a hotel room. I'm going to play you a clip of that.

00:32:05.740 Then they rushed to room 333 and barge in. The suspect is placed in handcuffs. Cops desperately

00:32:14.360 searched the room. Hey, here she is. Got her. We got her. We got her. The little girl popped her

00:32:19.340 head out of this laundry basket where she had been hidden under a pile of clothes. She was afraid to

00:32:25.220 make any noises because the suspect had threatened to hurt her and her family. We have her. We need an

00:32:31.560 EMT. Come on, sweetheart. You're going to be okay. So thank God for men. Thank God for men. I'm not

00:32:38.180 saying that there aren't some strong women out there, but this is, this is the beauty and the

00:32:44.220 necessity of masculinity. Now, as I've talked about, not all men are like this and that's okay.

00:32:51.400 Men are allowed to like things that aren't four wheeling and busting down doors and hunting and

00:33:01.840 football. Of course, there is a range of things. What it means to be a strong man, the kind of men

00:33:09.680 that we need doesn't necessarily fit some superficial definition. It means being responsible. It means

00:33:16.940 taking care of your family, taking care of your community, protecting them, providing for them,

00:33:22.820 helping the vulnerable, helping women and children who, by the way, are weaker than men are in a variety

00:33:29.400 of ways, actually. So thank God for men, communities, families, nations, the world. We need strong men.

00:33:38.240 That is when societies stumble and fall, uh, when we don't have the leadership of strong men. And so

00:33:46.640 these stupid Antifa protesters who talk about, uh, who talk about abolishing the police, I mean,

00:33:54.360 you've got socialists talking about, uh, abolishing the police. You know what? I'm just going to play

00:34:00.160 you this video over and over again. Without the police, this girl, this guy, as you saw, he came

00:34:05.120 out of the room naked with a little eight year old girl in there. So what was he doing? Raping her,

00:34:12.440 molesting her, molesting her without the police, she would probably be dead, raped and molested multiple

00:34:18.380 times. So you're telling me that's a better reality. That's a better world. I don't think so. And for

00:34:24.240 everyone that talks about toxic masculinity, what you really mean by that is actual masculinity. And

00:34:30.940 what you actually mean by that is that you would rather men be passive and take a backseat and not do

00:34:35.020 anything, not speak up, not defend women. Well, I don't want to live in that world. You can go live in that

00:34:40.280 world. I don't want to live in that world. I want to live in a world where brave men like this are

00:34:44.420 defending us and doing their jobs. Well, whether you are a father, whether you are a CPA, whether

00:34:49.520 you're a police officer, firefighter, whether you are any kind of employee person, whatever you do,

00:34:56.840 you can be a strong, responsible man that your community, that your workplace, that your family

00:35:00.560 needs. Thank you. Thank you. And God bless international men's day. Okay. That's all we have.

00:35:07.100 We'll be back here on Friday with once again, another awesome interview. If there's ever anyone

00:35:12.060 that you guys really want me to interview, please reach out to me and let me know. I would love to

00:35:17.060 hear your suggestions and I will see you then.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - November 20, 2019

Ep 188 ｜ Did Chick-fil-A Cave？

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