Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 194 ｜ A Failing Impeachment Strategy ｜ Guest： Andrew Klavan

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Friday. Today we are talking to my friend Andrew Klavan

00:00:05.760 from the Daily Wire. I'm so excited for you to hear this conversation. He's brilliant.

00:00:10.020 He gives us so much insight about the election and about the impeachment hearings, the craziness

00:00:16.220 that's going on there. Also, he's going to give us some advice for how we talk to relate to

00:00:22.180 our relatives and friends who do not agree with us. Okay, without further ado, here is Andrew

00:00:28.620 Klavan. Andrew, thanks so much for joining me. It's great to see you. Okay, so I think everyone

00:00:34.360 listening probably knows exactly who you are and many, I am guessing, listen to your podcast. But

00:00:39.700 just in case there are one or two people out there who don't know, will you tell everyone who you are

00:00:44.020 and what you do? Well, I'm a screenwriter and a novelist and a commentator. And I'm now at the

00:00:50.460 Daily Wire doing the Andrew Klavan show. And is it every day? Is it an everyday show that people can

00:00:55.340 catch it? It's Monday through Thursday. Yeah, it's four days a week. And then there's a long

00:01:00.320 Klavan-less weekend, which most people don't survive. So I lose my audience.

00:01:04.460 Oh, completely. You have to start back over. New people come in.

00:01:07.620 And that's why you're on this podcast, to make sure that you can have a new audience on Monday.

00:01:13.080 Okay, perfect. Well, I want to ask you about some of the craziness that's going on in the impeachment

00:01:20.520 saga right now. It's very hard for me to keep up with it. It was the same thing with the whole

00:01:25.340 Russian thing. I felt like there was something new every week and none of it mattered. And I just

00:01:30.680 kind of wanted to see how it all hashed out. That turned out to be a really good strategy for me.

00:01:34.860 The same thing happening in the impeachment stuff. And I would say most of my audience feels the same

00:01:39.360 way. We don't know what's going on because we're not sure what's relevant and what's not.

00:01:43.600 Can you kind of give us just a little concise update or recap on what is currently going on in

00:01:50.560 this impeachment drama? Well, the House Intelligence Committee, the

00:01:56.360 fakely named House Intelligence Committee, went through this big show. It was basically a show.

00:02:02.280 I mean, look, this story is a nonsense to begin with. The minute this thing arose, I thought,

00:02:06.540 man, they've been trying to impeach this guy literally since before he got elected, before he took

00:02:11.540 office, Molly Hemingway overheard Jerry Nadler, the head of the House Judiciary Committee, saying,

00:02:17.020 we are going to try and impeach this guy on this Russian thing. And so we know they've been after

00:02:21.700 him forever. So the Russian thing didn't work. None of the other, the obstruction of justice didn't 0.63

00:02:25.420 work. So now they're on this Ukraine phone call where Trump and some of his other operatives were

00:02:30.500 basically badgering the president of Ukraine saying, we want an investigation into corruption

00:02:36.800 that might include Joe Biden's son, Hunter, who had this kind of job that he knew nothing about and

00:02:42.880 he was making a bundle while Biden was vice president. So they have the investigation in

00:02:48.080 the House Intelligence Committee. Then yesterday they issued a report saying, oh, the crimes that

00:02:53.980 were committed, the horrifying crimes that were committed because nobody believes them. So they have

00:02:58.840 to keep telling us there were these crimes. And now it's in the House Judiciary Committee where they

00:03:02.960 have had basically leftist law professors lecturing us about how horrible and horrifying these crimes

00:03:10.220 are. And so nothing really happened. I mean, there was no, you know, Trump wanted an investigation

00:03:16.120 into corruption in Ukraine that might have included the Bidens. None of that took place. He was said to

00:03:21.280 have held up aid. He always holds up aid. He hates giving foreign aid, but the aid was eventually released.

00:03:27.040 So nothing is, literally nothing was done. And I don't know how they're going to sell this,

00:03:31.520 but now they're on this impeachment train and I'm not sure they can get off.

00:03:35.380 All the experts keep saying they won't get off. I wonder if Nancy Pelosi is just going to say,

00:03:39.680 you know what, this is making us look terrible because it really is.

00:03:42.880 Well, that's what I was going to ask you. What's your prediction for how this ends up?

00:03:46.500 Every day you go on Twitter, you got one side who says, oh, this is it. This is the end. Trump is

00:03:51.120 done. You've got the other side, of course, our side who would say, no, there's absolutely nothing to

00:03:55.040 this. Are we just going to go back and forth until he's reelected or someone else is elected?

00:03:59.260 Yes. I mean, if they impeach, which they may because they've got themselves back into this

00:04:05.400 corner, it will go to the Senate. Not one Republican has deserted Trump. So you can

00:04:11.220 imagine Mitt Romney maybe being pompous enough to have some vote, but no, but you have to be

00:04:17.180 convicted by two thirds of the Senate. It's just not going to happen. I think they'd be crazy because

00:04:21.940 once it's in the Senate and the Republicans can call witnesses they want to call, then they can call

00:04:26.200 Biden and they can call Hunter Biden and they can call Adam Schiff and they're going to have to show

00:04:29.960 up and testify. This whole thing has been programmed by Adam Schiff, has been run like a

00:04:34.980 television show. He does it in the basement of the Capitol building. He releases the information

00:04:41.760 in leaks to the Democrat press like the New York Times. And then the New York Times reliably says,

00:04:46.620 oh, my gosh, it's a bombshell. And then we read it and think it's nothing. But once they're in

00:04:52.060 the Senate, a lot of witnesses can be called. They may not want to have called. So will it go forward?

00:04:58.180 All the experts keep telling me, yes, it will, that they will impeach. Remember, impeachment is

00:05:02.980 like an indictment. It's just a charge. The trial takes place in the Senate. Then if it goes to the

00:05:08.560 Senate, he will be tried. He will not be convicted, just like Clinton wasn't convicted. And then we'll go

00:05:14.180 back and we'll see what effect it has on the 2020 election. It is really hard for me to believe

00:05:19.940 that it will have any positive effect on the Democrats, except in their most rabid base.

00:05:27.840 I think this is to me, this has been like watching the Wile E. Coyote cartoons where, you know,

00:05:33.540 Wile E. Coyote gets the new Acme impeachment machine and keeps trying to drop it on roadrunner

00:05:39.340 Trump and keeps blowing himself up. And I just think that's going to continue.

00:05:43.080 So Democrats have to know that the trial would not end up how they wanted to end up. So what's behind

00:05:48.480 it? Is it just a PR campaign? They think that the longer they drag this out or if they actually

00:05:53.180 file the articles of impeachment, they can use that as a talking point going into 2020. Hey,

00:05:58.200 this guy was impeached. You're really going to reelect him? You know, he's such a terrible

00:06:02.080 president that we actually had to file articles of impeachment. Is it just to be able to spin a new

00:06:07.420 narrative and put a new label on Trump going into the election? I think it's to service the left

00:06:14.620 wing base. I think that the base of the Democrat party is lost in a narrative that is so ridiculous, 0.95

00:06:23.140 but they are completely caught up in it. You see them on TV saying Donald Trump is Hitler. 0.98

00:06:28.200 They actually say that. I mean, I'm not, I'm not making that up. I'm not, I'm not exaggerating.

00:06:31.800 They say Donald Trump is Hitler. You think about that for a minute. If Donald Trump was Hitler and

00:06:35.720 you went on TV and call them Hitler, two guys would come in, pick you up under the arms,

00:06:39.760 carry you away, and you'd never be seen again. But in fact, you can go on TV and call Donald Trump

00:06:44.080 Hitler without, with impunity because Donald Trump is not Hitler, right? And they keep using these

00:06:49.480 overblown phrases, oh, he's destroying the constitution. He's doing this. But when you say

00:06:53.880 to them, well, how exactly? Give me an example. Give me, they just have verbiage. They just have

00:07:00.300 words come out that have no meaning, no facts whatsoever. I think the base of the left got so

00:07:05.840 excited, got so enraged that they basically kept pushing their people, the Adam Schiff's of the world

00:07:12.700 and the Jerry Nadlers of the world kept pushing them saying, you have got to get this guy out of

00:07:16.740 office before our country collapses. And the storm troopers show up at my house and carry me away.

00:07:21.500 And all those bad dreams that I have, the scary bad dreams that I have are going to come true.

00:07:25.500 And I think they had to service that. And Nancy Pelosi, who was a smart politician, 0.99

00:07:29.560 resisted and resisted and resisted. And finally they got this Ukraine story. And who told them

00:07:35.300 that this was going to fly? I don't know. But from the very beginning, the first day it came out,

00:07:40.700 and listen, I'm not like just Trumpy to the extreme. I won't follow Trump anywhere. I've

00:07:45.020 criticized him. I'm not, you know, somebody who thinks that he's a gift from God or anything like

00:07:49.380 that. But the minute I heard this, I just thought you have got to be kidding me. You have got to be

00:07:54.500 kidding me. You lied about Russia. That blew up in your face. You lied about obstruction of justice.

00:07:59.300 That blew up your face. And now we're supposed to take this stupid phone call seriously. And Trump 1.00

00:08:03.860 has outsmarted them at every turn. He released the phone call. He released the transcript. So we know what he

00:08:08.520 said. And no matter how many people who weren't there tell us it was evil, it wasn't, you know.

00:08:14.220 So anyway, I think they were serving the I think they were serving the left wing base. I think that

00:08:19.020 some of them are smart enough to have used it as a way to take our tax dollars and spend it on oppo

00:08:24.420 research. Yeah. So maybe they got something out of it like that. But again, if this blows up in

00:08:29.240 their face, as it must in the Senate, I can't see that how that helps. How many Democrats do you

00:08:34.720 think actually believe that he has done something impeachable in this Ukraine story? I know there

00:08:41.960 are people on the left who really believe that. But how many Democrats in Congress do you think,

00:08:46.600 OK, you know what, we've really got something here? Or do you think they all know it's a charade?

00:08:52.160 Well, I think most of them know it's a charade. I think that the problem that the left has,

00:08:57.240 and this really is a problem, is they've been so successful in taking over our culture.

00:09:01.760 They've been so successful in taking over the means of communication. They own Hollywood.

00:09:06.600 They own the academy. They own the news media. The news media is just a left wing, you know,

00:09:11.280 talk fest, basically. So they keep having their stories, their narratives played back to them.

00:09:17.760 You know, they turn on the TV and there's Chuck Todd telling them, oh, my God, this is explosive.

00:09:23.160 This is devastating. This is terrible. And I think they start to think, oh, yeah, that's the real

00:09:27.860 world. And it's not until they get home and people show up and say, hey, why aren't you solving any

00:09:32.880 problems? Why aren't you doing anything about the border? Why aren't you doing anything about

00:09:36.500 drug prices, about infrastructure? It's only then that they start to think, oh, maybe maybe the TV

00:09:42.560 isn't reality. So maybe there are some people who believe their own press. You know, who knows what

00:09:48.380 Maxine Waters believes? I can't tell even what she's saying from time to time. But I think guys like

00:09:53.340 Adam Schiff are just pure McCarthyite liars. I think he's a guy who thinks that this is his ticket 0.73

00:09:59.100 to the big time. It has been his ticket to the big time. And I think he spins this tale and hopes

00:10:04.400 he can sell it. But at this point, he looks to me like Wile E. Coyote just at that moment when he

00:10:09.640 looks down and realizes he's run off the edge of the cliff. So whether any of them really believe

00:10:14.820 it or not, how can I how can I say? I think some of them have been have talked themselves into it.

00:10:18.540 But most of them have got to know it's a bad it's a bad deal. I think there are probably people like

00:10:23.900 AOC who said quite a while ago, it might have even been last year, who said she was on a radio show

00:10:29.980 and said, oh, yeah, well, you know, he's done a ton of impeachable things. She didn't actually list.

00:10:33.940 But yes, he's done a ton of impeachable things. So it's almost like they're kind of being honest.

00:10:37.720 Like, look, we know this guy is impeachable because we don't like him because he's done X,

00:10:41.840 Y, Z that we can't really name. We just need to find the one thing that we can actually pin on him

00:10:47.340 to make this strategy effective. I think maybe it would be more effective for them to just come 0.81

00:10:52.040 out and say that, to be like, look, guys, we are looking for something. We're looking for it.

00:10:56.740 We know that you don't like the guy. We're looking for it. But well, Ilhan Omar said that she said

00:11:01.740 essentially that this is like impeaching. This is like arresting Al Capone for tax evasion,

00:11:06.460 which is how they got Capone. They got him on tax evasion. And she's saying he's such an evil criminal.

00:11:11.140 But the only thing we can get him on is this stupid Ukraine story. Even she is saying it's a stupid 1.00

00:11:16.240 story. But the problem they have is when you get to the criminality of Donald Trump, 1.00

00:11:21.060 all you really have is that he's rude. He doesn't he's you know, he doesn't sound like other

00:11:26.320 politicians. He says things even I don't like it when he tweets crazy stuff. You know,

00:11:30.660 most of his supporters, I mean, go out in the middle of the country and talk to people and they

00:11:34.540 all say he's doing a good job. I just wish you would shut up. Yeah. And the thing is, and I've heard 0.98

00:11:41.380 people on TV say, well, yes, he is doing wonderful things for black Americans. You know,

00:11:49.080 their jobs are great. Their wages are going up. But listen to how he talks. Yeah. So and so they're

00:11:56.280 just convinced that the way he talks is a crime in and of itself. Yes, definitely. Okay. I want to

00:12:00.540 talk to you about the election, maybe get some of your analysis and your in your prediction. So

00:12:07.800 Kamala Harris, she's out. I want to ask first, did you see that coming? Because I'm not sure I

00:12:12.520 did. Yeah, I did see it coming. I mean, I think she was another another way in which the left has

00:12:19.500 been fooled by their own media. When she announced she's a dark skinned woman. And they thought, wow, 0.98

00:12:26.940 that's it. That's the thing we're trying to plug in. And so they said that CNN, they said this is

00:12:31.160 she is the number one candidate. And then you look at her and you think, well, wait a minute. You know,

00:12:35.100 this is a woman who slept her way into politics. First of all, I mean, she's not a very reputable 0.97

00:12:39.900 person. She was a hard driving, ambitious prosecutor, which is not a good look for 1.00

00:12:46.060 Democrats. Democrats at this point, they're so left wing, especially the people voting in the

00:12:50.160 primaries that they think criminals are the good guys. They think the criminals have been persecuted

00:12:54.400 by evil America. So when she came on and say, said, well, I put over a thousand people in prison

00:12:59.600 for marijuana smoking when she said, oh, I threatened parents if their kids were truant,

00:13:06.240 I threatened them with jail time. You know, she wanted to ban health to private health insurance. 0.81

00:13:12.220 Those aren't things that the left, even the left is really all that excited about. So she came across

00:13:17.200 as mean. She came across as nasty. She mistreated her staff. She had that horrible cackling laugh. 1.00

00:13:22.100 She never got over 15 percent in the polls, which is pretty high. I mean, most of them are polling

00:13:28.380 around two and three percent, but that's that's pretty high. But she was never that high. And her

00:13:31.840 biggest moment was attacking Joe Biden for something that happened in the 1970s, which is a

00:13:37.900 long time ago. And so she she never really had the love of the people, even in California, where she's

00:13:45.240 from. They didn't support her. So I did see it coming. I didn't think she was going to be. I thought

00:13:49.940 when she first started, when she first came out, I was taken by that narrative, too. When she first came

00:13:54.460 out, I thought, oh, she's scary. She's smart. She's clever. But she turned out 0.99

00:13:58.240 not to be that smart, not that clever and really unappealing as a human being. And I think all

00:14:02.520 those things sank her pretty quickly. Yeah, I predicted that she was going to be a top contender 1.00

00:14:07.060 for sure because of what she said about the intersectional point of it. I mean, that is

00:14:11.320 the cry of the left constantly is the importance of intersectionality, the importance of superficial,

00:14:17.260 you know, skin based diversity. And so I thought, well, surely this is the candidate that they're going

00:14:22.960 to go for. If they think intersection intersectionality is their power, then this is going to be

00:14:27.820 who they put up against Trump. But as Cory Booker said this week, he said, look, we're we're going

00:14:33.500 down to we're going down this spiral really fast of having no diverse candidates whatsoever,

00:14:40.460 having an all white Democratic Democratic debate stage. So I want to hear what you think about that.

00:14:48.100 What do you think about the lack of racial diversity now that seems to be characterizing

00:14:54.320 the Democratic field? Does it show that Democrats really don't care about intersectionality and

00:14:59.240 diversity as much as they say they do? Well, look, the big thing to remember about the left is

00:15:06.000 because they own the media, because their their spokespeople are making movies and teaching classes

00:15:12.840 and giving us the news. You forget that most people on the left vote Democrat because their parents

00:15:18.560 voted Democrat. The same reason most people vote for whatever they vote for. They've been they were

00:15:22.960 raised to think that Republicans are evil or whatever. When you talk to Democrats and listen,

00:15:27.240 I live in Hollywood. I live in the heart of darkness. Right. Even here, when I talk to Democrats

00:15:31.940 and you say, well, what about all this intersectionality stuff? They say, oh, well,

00:15:35.080 that's crap. You know, that's garbage. But that's not the point. The point is, we have to have health 1.00

00:15:38.300 care. You know, they don't really care about these things that are being sold. It is a very,

00:15:43.440 very small number of elite white people, mostly white people who buy into this and the black 0.84

00:15:50.480 students that they convince are oppressed and can't get ahead in the world. And so once you get rid of 0.95

00:15:57.260 that, you know, little the edges of that party, you're really voting for people who think the

00:16:02.560 government should take care of things, who think the government should pay for things, who hear,

00:16:06.480 yeah, well, college, people ought to go to college. Maybe the government ought to pay for that.

00:16:09.700 Hadn't really thought these things through all that much. And so, you know, did they love Barack Obama

00:16:16.280 because he was a, what did Joe Biden call him? A clean Negro or whatever he called it. I can't 1.00

00:16:21.060 remember the horrible words he used to describe Barack Obama, but they may have loved that about

00:16:26.240 Obama, but Obama was a good politician. He was a good speaker when he had a teleprompter in front

00:16:31.260 of him. He was attractive. He was not money corrupt the way Hillary Clinton is. He was, you know,

00:16:36.380 he may have been corrupt and otherwise, but he wasn't money corrupt. So they may like it when,

00:16:40.060 when that virtue, when they can show virtue by voting for Barack Obama, but they would have voted for

00:16:45.800 Barack Obama had even white as well. You know, and I think that that, that, uh, intersectional

00:16:50.580 plug in the right color, plug in the right gender. I don't think that gets a lot of votes. And I think 0.86

00:16:54.960 it's ridiculous when people reject somebody, as they were saying on MSNBC in a couple of places 0.94

00:17:00.520 were saying that they rejected Kamala Harris because she was a black woman. Just no way, 0.97

00:17:05.960 no way. That's not what happened. They rejected her because she was a lousy candidate. 1.00

00:17:08.820 Do you think Democrats are overplaying their hand in the intersectional gender racial stuff

00:17:15.620 all of the democratic candidates putting their pronouns and their profiles? Elizabeth Warren

00:17:20.040 has talked about racial reparations. I mean, they've all talked about very extreme things

00:17:24.240 when it comes to abortion, whatever it is. Uh, do you think that they are going to lose those

00:17:29.300 voters who, like you said, are just like, you know what, I just want, you know, free healthcare

00:17:33.000 and affordable college. I, you know, I think so. I think one of the, look, the two polls came out

00:17:38.000 saying that, uh, president Trump has 33 to 34%, uh, support among black voters. Wow. That's true.

00:17:45.460 And I predicted, by the way, I predicted that pretty early on. I thought that, you know what,

00:17:49.320 he's doing a great job for black Americans. Why shouldn't they support him? You know,

00:17:53.200 if that is true, that really explains the left's panic to have immigrants flooding into the country 0.99

00:17:59.280 who they can con again. You know, I think that they overplay their hand and they make people's

00:18:04.920 lives worse. I mean, this is the thing I go and, I go and talk at colleges and sometimes like,

00:18:10.840 like a black, a young black man will stand up and talk to me about microaggressions and I'll say, 0.93

00:18:16.640 like, are you kidding? Like, you know, you're, I'm talking to you man to man. You're a man, 0.90

00:18:21.560 you're a young man, a powerful, strong guy. You could pick me up and throw me across and you're

00:18:26.380 worried about microaggressions. Who taught you, who taught you to be afraid of an aggression. So

00:18:32.200 small micro means it's so small. You can't see it. Who taught you to be afraid? They make people's

00:18:37.340 lives worse. And the only thing that has to happen is for people to have the courage to say the

00:18:43.040 emperor isn't wearing any clothes. And once that happens, I think everything falls apart. So yeah,

00:18:48.000 listen, I think that there are things that they can sell. Like they sold abortion safe, legal and

00:18:53.760 rare. But now we find out, oh yeah, not safe, legal and real shout your abortion. Abortion is a 1.00

00:18:59.560 wonderful, wonderful thing. And then people who have had abortions are kind of like, I didn't,

00:19:04.340 I did that and it wasn't so wonderful. And it, I really still feel bad about it.

00:19:08.320 And once the truth starts to seep out, yeah, I think people do react to it. Listen, you know,

00:19:13.540 Donald Trump, a flaw, he's a great big character with great big flaws, right? He's a great big

00:19:18.840 American character. Like really only America could have produced him. He's done a terrific job. He's

00:19:24.540 done a really good job as president. I was, I was so opposed to him coming in. I had to admit that I

00:19:29.620 was wrong about him. I made video, one of my most popular videos. It got like 17 million hits

00:19:35.140 attacking Donald Trump during the primaries. The guy has done a terrific job. And I don't say that

00:19:40.680 out of love for him. I say it because the economy is doing great. You know, he has appointed terrific

00:19:45.760 judges. He has restored the military. He is in fact building his wall. It's, it's an amazing,

00:19:52.040 he has done an amazingly good job. I have complaints. There are things he hasn't done,

00:19:56.220 the debt and all those things that I think are really important, but he has done a great job

00:20:00.420 fulfilling his promises. At some point that kicks in. Reality has a voice and you can tell all the

00:20:06.640 stories you want. You can tell all the narratives you want. You can own all the means of communication.

00:20:10.900 And eventually people say, you know, it's kind of fun having food on my table. It's kind of fun having

00:20:16.020 a job that I go to. So my family respects me. It's kind of fun being able to pay my mortgage.

00:20:20.620 Maybe I'll elect this guy again and he'll, that'll keep happening. That wasn't happening under Obama.

00:20:25.000 It is happening under Trump. I think that that, that narrative is going to counter the narrative

00:20:30.260 of the left. Yes. Right. I I've said this in regards to abortion. I think it's true in regards 0.99

00:20:34.860 to how Trump has done our job on this side of the aisle is really easy because all we have to do

00:20:39.820 when we're arguing, uh, you know, pro-life versus pro-choice is to say what an abortion is. We don't

00:20:46.400 have to use euphemisms. We don't have to cover it up with this crazy philosophy, uh, philosophy about

00:20:51.340 if life begins some point after conception, all we have to do is talk about fetal development

00:20:55.420 and abortion. All we have to do is talk about reality. It's so much easier to tell the truth.

00:20:59.160 It's the same thing when it comes to Donald Trump and really any conservative issue.

00:21:03.040 We don't have to bend over backwards to try to manipulate all of these narratives to make it

00:21:06.800 sound like America is this dangerous place when it's really not. We're in a wonderful time,

00:21:12.000 a wonderful time of American history. So I think our job going into the election is really easy

00:21:16.800 because all we have to do is point to reality. Whereas Democrats are falling over themselves

00:21:21.700 to come up with some other reason why you should feel miserable when you're really not.

00:21:26.820 And I would say that that's just exhausting.

00:21:29.380 You know, you're absolutely, I mean, somebody, I can't remember who said, tell the truth. It's

00:21:32.780 easier to remember. You know, I think, you know, this is a genuine theory on the left of leftist

00:21:38.700 academics that, that there is no truth. There's only narrative. And so that that's a stupid theory,

00:21:44.260 but it has been a dominant theory on the left for maybe 50 years. And so that they think that 1.00

00:21:50.260 they can sell a narrative and it will change the truth. But the thing about the economy,

00:21:54.920 as I say, dinner on the table is that, you know, you can't tell a narrative about dinner on the

00:21:59.520 table, which is what they tried to do. You know, Donald Trump, when he was running and he had those,

00:22:03.320 remember those tremendous rallies that he still has where he'll fill up a stadium. And he said,

00:22:07.580 you know, they tell you that the unemployment rate is 5%. If it were 5%, this stadium wouldn't be

00:22:12.760 filled. And he was dead. Right. That is exactly right. You cannot fool people about dinner on the

00:22:17.460 table. You can't fool people about jobs in the community. You can't fool people about their

00:22:21.180 communities falling apart. All of those things he has helped reverse and that, you know, you got to

00:22:26.480 celebrate that. And I hope that that's true. I do worry about young people. I do worry about people 1.00

00:22:32.500 my age and younger who don't necessarily see those effects because they're in college. Maybe they

00:22:37.720 don't have families yet. And so really all they care about is that Donald Trump is supposedly this

00:22:45.540 white supremacist bigot who is going to take their right of abortion away or however they see the 0.98

00:22:51.700 world. They believe that they're oppressed and they don't really see the benefits of Trump's 0.96

00:22:56.260 presidency. I do worry about that generation kind of being fooled because the reality that you're

00:23:01.880 talking about doesn't necessarily apply to them. Do you think that there's any hope

00:23:06.600 for millennials and Generation Z? I always think there's hope for young people because they do

00:23:11.880 learn the truth when they have a job and when they look at their paycheck and they see

00:23:15.640 the money coming out. I worry right now with Donald Trump. I worry for him, for him and for the

00:23:22.100 country. I worry about women. They look at him and they don't like him. And I can understand why 1.00

00:23:28.460 they don't like him. They all know a guy like that and, you know, who's pawed them or abused them or

00:23:33.220 used language they don't like. And they just look at that and think, uh-uh, you know, because a lot of

00:23:37.420 people, you know, you and I pay attention to politics. A lot of people don't. And they just

00:23:41.640 think like, no, that's not the guy I want in office. And I understand that. When it comes to

00:23:46.900 young people, I think I'm very hopeful right at this minute. I know that they are liberalizing

00:23:54.500 in certain ways. And I think that those ways are going to continue. I don't think we're going to go

00:23:59.580 back to a time when gay people could be arrested for being gay. And to be honest with Yali, I think

00:24:04.220 that's a good thing. I think, uh, you know, you can, you can have whatever feelings you want and

00:24:08.360 whatever religious beliefs you want, but I think people should be left alone to have their private

00:24:12.300 lives. And, uh, I don't think the government certainly should, uh, be, have anything to do

00:24:16.700 with that. I think that that kind of liberalization is going to continue, but let's face it. When you look

00:24:23.000 at the economy, the economy works on certain principles. They keep telling you about Scandinavia.

00:24:27.980 Scandinavia tried, uh, socialism. It didn't work. They went back to free markets. They can be very

00:24:33.560 socialist, socialist in the distribution of wealth, but your government can't create wealth,

00:24:38.780 right? Even Soviet union collapsed because government can't create wealth. So I, I have a

00:24:43.240 lot of faith in young people. I think that certain things are going to come back because they have to

00:24:47.400 come back. One of them is religion. I think that, that the idea that there's no such thing as

00:24:52.060 God, there's no such thing as truth. Uh, there's no such thing as, uh, now it's all a narrative.

00:24:57.680 Those things are going to come a cropper because they just don't hold together and things that

00:25:01.640 don't make sense ultimately collapse. We've watched the collapse of Europe. We've watched the end of

00:25:06.280 Europe and we've seen that happen. And we're all afraid it's going to happen here. And it might,

00:25:10.740 but I also think that Europe was played out in many, many ways. It was played out and we're not

00:25:15.720 played out. We have, I think hundreds of years of good times ahead of us. When I worry about

00:25:20.620 America, what I worry about is the Republic. I don't worry about our power failing. I don't

00:25:25.540 worry about our prosperity failing. I worry about our system of government, uh, coming under attack.

00:25:30.860 And that's the story that we have to go out and tell. We have to say, you know, that's what I try

00:25:35.340 to, when I talk to young people, what I say to them is look, the founders didn't make this government

00:25:41.280 by accident. Here are the things they were thinking about. And if you can reconstruct that,

00:25:45.600 uh, you can, you can sell it to them. You know, I see the dangers, Ali. I really do. I see that

00:25:52.560 young people are being taught by these leftists who hate this country. They hate this country and

00:25:56.280 they hate Western civilization and they're not very bright and they really are a lot less smart 0.98

00:26:01.020 than they think. And I see that, but I think we can reclaim them a by reality and B by starting to

00:26:07.460 move into the culture as the left did. Remember the left didn't always own the culture. They took it

00:26:12.740 over. We can take it back. I think you are absolutely right that the left hates Western

00:26:19.440 civilization hates America. And that we have a responsibility just to tell the truth, what we

00:26:24.480 were saying earlier and to move into the culture and not to isolate ourselves. I do think it's a

00:26:28.520 little bit, it's a, it's hard, especially for people like me who are a new mom. And I see the

00:26:32.220 things that are happening in public schools. And I just kind of want to be a recluse. I want to pull

00:26:37.120 my family out of reality and say, I don't want to deal with this craziness anymore. You're not going to

00:26:41.520 touch my kids. You're not going to teach my kids that stuff. Um, what do you think the balance is?

00:26:46.000 You are also a parent. Uh, the temptation for us as Christians, as conservatives is to kind of cut

00:26:51.420 ourselves off from the world. Cause we don't want to deal with the craziness. Uh, what do you think

00:26:55.540 the solution is though? Because we need light to infiltrate darkness. I, right. I don't think you

00:27:00.840 cut yourself off from the world. I think you start to build alternative institutions. We're not going to

00:27:05.520 get Yale back. We're not going to get the New York times back. I think we have to build those things for

00:27:09.300 ourselves. It always bothers me that conservatives spend a lot of time complaining about, uh,

00:27:13.640 Hollywood, but they don't make movies. They don't make TV shows. So, you know, what, why complain?

00:27:17.900 You can't just complain. You got to create, you got to make things. So when you say withdraw from the

00:27:21.800 world, cause you're a mom, you know, homeschooling is a genuine alternative that doesn't just, uh,

00:27:27.460 that doesn't just school the kids, but it also creates another community because you have to

00:27:31.040 homeschool in community. So that's an alternative. I see Hillsdale planting schools around the country

00:27:36.300 that teach what they call classical learning. I think that is a really hopeful sign. I think that

00:27:41.560 we have to start writing books. I, you know, I, I have my podcast, another kingdom that I'm doing

00:27:45.980 because I know that I can't get that out through the publishing world, but the podcast is doing

00:27:49.960 really well. It's reaching hundreds of thousands of people. We've got to tell stories like the left

00:27:54.480 tell stories. So it's not a question of withdrawing. It's a question of building alternative structures

00:27:59.840 because like I said, I don't think we're going to get Yale back, but I think we can build

00:28:05.180 universities that are just as good and more important than universities, I think is K through 1.00

00:28:09.780 12. I think if a kid shows up at Yale, understanding civics, I don't think he's going to be polluted by

00:28:16.900 their stupid, uh, intersectionality because it makes everybody, everything so much worse. So I think, 0.99

00:28:21.860 I think that's the answer. It's not withdrawing. It is withdrawing from their institutions in order

00:28:26.800 to build new institutions and new systems. Uh, homeschooling is, listen, I taught at Hills. I got a

00:28:33.800 fellowship to teach at Hillsdale for like two weeks this year. And I called my wife from the

00:28:39.420 nowhere, Michigan. And she said, what's it like? And I said, it's like going sane. I said, going from

00:28:45.040 Hollywood to Hillsdale is like, suddenly you're talking to kids who are sane. They're open-minded,

00:28:49.940 they're polite, they're nice, they're religious, but, but they're not like pinched and small minded.

00:28:55.540 In fact, we're willing to talk about anything. They were willing to debate and discuss anything.

00:28:59.580 And so I think if those new communities can be built, uh, they will take over. They will actually

00:29:06.620 replace the desiccated, uh, dead institutions that the left has slaughtered, uh, from within.

00:29:14.600 You know, I always compare the left to those, the alien in men in black who kills that guy and then

00:29:19.540 lives inside the guy. And he still looks like he's a person, but he actually he's an, there's an alien

00:29:23.780 inside. That's what Yale is now. That's what the New York times is. It looks like the New York times.

00:29:27.720 New York times used to be a great newspaper, but it's really just leftism, this alien leftism

00:29:32.060 inside the New York times body. Right. Well, I think that's a very positive

00:29:35.200 and encouraging message. What about, this is the last thing for people who have, uh, family members

00:29:42.400 who are on the left to, uh, disagree with them and they are coming into the holidays. They're coming

00:29:47.860 into Christmas time and they know they're going to have to talk to their confrontational uncle about

00:29:53.000 politics. What is the best way to handle that? You yourself are in a family of people that

00:29:57.500 disagree with you. Some of them, um, how do you handle it in, how can, uh, other people

00:30:03.220 handle it the same way you do? Well, well, first of all, put the love first. You know, I love my,

00:30:08.260 my family, uh, very much. And I try to stay in, into that, in that zone, uh, even when we disagree

00:30:14.680 ferociously when we do get into confrontations and listen, everybody fails at this. You know,

00:30:21.360 I fail at it. We don't always do it right. But the best advice I can give is don't talk about

00:30:26.400 personalities. Don't talk about Obama. Don't talk about Trump. Don't say this happened. You know,

00:30:32.200 that he did this while he did that. It's an endless, endless battle. Why? Because all these

00:30:36.440 guys are flawed instruments of principle. So talk about the principle when they say, when they come

00:30:41.140 after Trump, you know, you say, well, let's leave, let's leave Trump out of it. And I, you know,

00:30:45.600 I won't talk about Obama. I always tell people I didn't like Obama. You don't like Trump. I get it.

00:30:49.980 You know, I absolutely get it, but let's talk about what we're trying to achieve and why

00:30:54.360 we believe in the things that we believe in. Like, why don't I believe in free healthcare?

00:30:59.740 You know, and you know, I lived in England, so I can talk about how bad the healthcare was there.

00:31:04.560 And I can, but I can talk about the principle of freedom that when you work for, for money,

00:31:09.620 that money belongs to you. And when the government takes it away, they're taking away the time that

00:31:14.720 you put in to make that money. So they're taking away a piece of your life, you know? And, and I,

00:31:19.180 I always tell students, the definition of slavery is you do the work, but someone else spends the

00:31:25.160 money. That's also the definition of socialism. That's the same definition. Socialism and slavery

00:31:29.700 have the exact same definition. So if you talk about principles, if you talk about what you're

00:31:34.060 trying to achieve, what your goals are, you sometimes can find common ground. And, and, you

00:31:39.440 know, I'm not an absolutist about anything. I want people to be free. And I understand nobody,

00:31:44.540 we can't be entirely free because we're not angels, right? Men, if men were angels,

00:31:47.980 we wouldn't need a government. We do need a government. So I'm, I'm perfectly willing to

00:31:52.580 say, you know, like, okay, you know, we want some people coming in immigrants. We love our

00:31:57.080 immigrants when they come in, but shouldn't we obey the law? I mean, shouldn't, shouldn't we 1.00

00:32:01.080 obey the law? And, and people will always try to bring it back to personalities. Well, Donald Trump,

00:32:06.020 he hates Mexicans and he said this, and he said that just don't follow them there. Stick to the 1.00

00:32:10.460 principles. You can always find common ground when you talk about principles with fellow Americans.

00:32:14.640 Oh, I think that's great advice. Well, thank you so much. I really

00:32:17.700 appreciate you taking the time. Please tell everyone everywhere they can find you.

00:32:22.720 Well, please come to Deli Wire and listen to the podcast and listen to the Another Kingdom

00:32:26.480 podcast. And you can find me on Twitter at Andrew Klavan. It's K-L-A-V-A-N. There's no E in 1.00

00:32:32.500 Klavan. And, uh, and you can find me at andrewklavan.com if you want to see my books and movies and things

00:32:37.280 like that. Perfect. Well, thank you so much. Ali, it's so nice to see you.

00:32:47.700 Thank you.

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