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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. I hope everyone has had a good week so far.

00:00:06.960 Today we are going to talk about some news on the abortion front and how the demand for abortion

00:00:14.120 is unfortunately increasing thanks to the powerful abortion lobby and the chaos of the pandemic

00:00:21.460 and how we should be looking about that as Christians. I am going to give us a little

00:00:27.820 bit of a refresher on the abortion argument and how we should be arguing against it from a biblical

00:00:36.960 logical scientific perspective. I am also going to tell you about the latest Democratic Relief Bill

00:00:44.160 as well as H.R. 666, did I say it? 6666, which is also known as the TRACE Act, which has to do

00:00:54.980 with isolation measures and contact tracing and a lot of different things that have to do with our

00:01:01.760 privacy. So we are going to get into all of that today. Okay, first let's talk about some of the

00:01:06.940 things that are going on in the abortion industry. We've talked about abortion a lot on this podcast,

00:01:11.380 but we haven't really talked about it that much recently. Obviously it's not because I don't care

00:01:15.920 about it or I don't think it's important, but there's just been a lot going on. And as I was

00:01:21.520 doing some research actually for a speech that I did a couple days ago for a pro-life organization,

00:01:27.060 I did it virtually, I realized that there is a lot going on in this sphere that I think is

00:01:33.160 important to pay attention to right now. If you are newer to the podcast and you want some thorough

00:01:39.940 explanations on what abortion is and why it is wrong in every sense of the word, we are going to talk

00:01:45.900 about that today. But there are also lots of other episodes to choose from. Some of them are episode

00:01:50.900 71, episode 127, episode 141, and episode 187. Those are just a few. We have looked at what abortion is

00:02:01.100 medically, scientifically, the moral and philosophical questions surrounding abortion, the legal questions,

00:02:07.140 and most importantly, the theological questions surrounding abortion. And we, like I said,

00:02:12.080 are going to talk about some of those things today. If you've heard me talk about this a thousand times,

00:02:16.880 don't worry. We even have a new angle at which we are going to go at this subject. And my goal is

00:02:22.540 always to help you think more critically about this topic and to be able to bolster your own views. Or if

00:02:27.780 you're pro-choice, I do have pro-choice people that listen to this podcast, maybe this episode will

00:02:32.760 challenge you a little bit. And if you've got any feedback or critiques or questions, as always,

00:02:37.880 feel free to ask them to me. Anyway, what is happening on the abortion front right now? I read

00:02:43.640 in Newsweek that the United Nations has just decided to move forward with a $2 billion response to the

00:02:50.200 coronavirus, allocating resources around the world to the countries that need it most. $120 million of

00:02:56.860 those dollars in that fund is directed to the UN Population Fund, whose priority is ensuring that

00:03:03.480 girls and women can easily access abortion. And they also have a reputation for actually

00:03:08.640 circumventing a nation's laws to make sure that girls and women are able to have abortions. As we

00:03:15.600 talked about on the episode from a few weeks ago, titled Who is WHO? They are unabashedly a far left

00:03:24.440 wing organization. They are passionately pro-abortion, as you can read for yourself on its website.

00:03:32.960 And so there is a lot of money also going from the United Nations to the WHO. USA Today reports that

00:03:40.160 demand for abortion is up due to coronavirus and that despite apparent fears about the virus spreading

00:03:46.300 in closed places, abortion clinics are accommodating this uptick in clientele. It's reported that even

00:03:53.040 women who want children are actually having abortions because they're nervous to go to the hospital

00:03:58.500 for regular checkups. And so as we've said before, fear has fatalities. I know coronavirus does,

00:04:05.920 but so does fear and so does this quarantine. A director of a clinic in Illinois said that the

00:04:11.980 percentage of women who go through with the abortion after the initial consultation has increased from

00:04:18.580 50% to 85%. Abortion clinics are providing how-to guides on do-it-yourself abortions for women who are

00:04:26.320 panicked about being pregnant right now. This is from Dr. Ann Davis, an OB-GYN at Columbia University

00:04:32.100 Medical Center. She said,

00:04:33.900 We don't know enough about this to say that it's going to be fine. Your pregnancy will proceed in

00:04:39.060 usual fashion and there will be no impact from COVID-19. They want us to say that it will be all

00:04:44.480 right. We have to say we don't know. We don't know. So women who find themselves pregnant right now

00:04:52.820 in the middle of a global pandemic are dealing with uncertainty. They're dealing with fear. They're

00:04:58.380 scared. Maybe they or their boyfriend or husband lost their job. They're not sure how they're going

00:05:04.140 to be able to provide for their kids. And what they're receiving from the so-called experts at

00:05:09.300 abortion clinics and hospitals that perform abortions is, according to this Dr. Davis, more uncertainty.

00:05:16.020 They're hearing, we don't know. In other words, their fears of the future only are being confirmed

00:05:25.220 and exacerbated when they're seeking help rather than calmed and mitigated. So instead of hearing,

00:05:31.520 yes, life is hard right now. And I know that the future is unsure, but I believe that you can do this.

00:05:37.940 And here's a list of organizations and people that can help you with food and clothing and diapers and

00:05:43.340 resources and all the things that you need. They are hearing, we don't know. If you listen to the

00:05:48.920 interview that I did with Abby Johnson a few months ago, she used to work at Planned Parenthood. Now she

00:05:53.340 works really hard, uh, in the, in the, in the pro-life arena. You know that this is par for the course

00:05:59.700 at abortion centers, staff at abortion clinics, uh, prey upon the fears of potential clients by

00:06:05.460 affirming their insecurities and affirming their anxieties rather than offering them what they really

00:06:10.560 need. And what they really need is strength and hope. Uh, these women not only hear from abortion

00:06:15.840 staffers that it's too hard to raise a baby, that it really would be better if they opted for abortion.

00:06:21.360 They also are very often lied to about scientifically what is going on inside their body. Uh, the abortion

00:06:28.000 industry has worked very, very hard to dehumanize the unborn child by using what they believe is more

00:06:35.100 sterile and completely nonsensical language like pregnancy tissue. So if you go to PlannedParenthood.com,

00:06:41.820 you will read about what an abortion is, but it will say things like take the pregnancy out of you,

00:06:48.000 take the pregnancy tissue out of you. They might even say, if they're feeling a little bit cheery that

00:06:53.620 day, fetus, knowing that the Latin word for baby is objectifying enough to abate any guilt a woman might

00:07:00.940 feel over killing her offspring. Uh, the media, academia, Hollywood, social media have all helped

00:07:08.280 the abortion industry in the effort to make abortion seem as meaningless and even as moral

00:07:14.340 as possible by ignoring the very simple, very scientific fact that it kills violently and brutally

00:07:21.880 a defenseless human being. Uh, right now, Planned Parenthood is doing what they call telehealth.

00:07:28.480 They are offering appointments via zoom and are even, uh, are even walking mothers through how to

00:07:34.260 abort their babies from home. This is from USA today. Dr. Mira Shaw is a chief medical officer

00:07:40.500 of Planned Parenthood Hudson, uh, Planned Parenthood Hudson, which served New York serves New York's

00:07:46.620 northern suburbs. Sorry. Can't read for some reason. She says her staff is expanding telemedicine

00:07:51.560 as they see an uptick in patients seeking abortions, often convinced that having a child right now

00:07:57.180 isn't best for them. We provided a medication abortion to an AMT while she was sitting in her

00:08:02.840 ambulance. Shaw said we provided abortion care to a mother who was at home with her children running

00:08:08.080 around behind her. Okay. A Planned Parenthood said the international, uh, Planned Parenthood and the

00:08:14.360 international abortion lobby is doing everything that they possibly can to make it an abortion as

00:08:20.400 easy as possible. And if it were up to them, uh, they would give women no time to consider other

00:08:26.160 options like keeping the baby or adoption. No time to weigh the moral implications. No time to

00:08:31.820 get over the initial panic about having a baby in a pandemic. No time to wonder if maybe she'll

00:08:37.560 regret the decision one day. No, no information about fetal development. No opportunities. You even

00:08:43.360 wonder if having an out of hospital or at home abortion might be dangerous to her own health.

00:08:49.260 They want to make sure that even, and especially right now in a pandemic that women can abort their

00:08:55.020 babies as conveniently, as quickly, as easily as possible. Now, I always like to remind my audience

00:09:02.820 of what an abortion is not because I enjoy remembering that or enjoy reading about it or

00:09:10.040 talking about it. I don't, it makes my heart hurt. I get a pit in my stomach. If you don't want to hear

00:09:16.400 it, you might want to fast forward through what I'm about to say. If you're listening with kids,

00:09:20.540 I certainly am giving you a fair warning about that, but particularly for the people who haven't

00:09:25.340 heard me describe what some of these procedures are, that it's not hyperbole. I'm not putting my

00:09:30.960 spin on things. I'm literally reading it from either Planned Parenthood's website or other

00:09:36.060 abortion centers website. I am not trying to change what scientifically and literally an abortion

00:09:43.480 procedure is. I'm just trying to inform you. So if you haven't heard me do that, I do,

00:09:48.180 I do recommend that you listen to it, that you make yourself listen to it. If you are pro-choice,

00:09:52.980 then you should certainly have nothing to fear in listening to what I'm about to say,

00:09:56.760 because this is something that you actually support women having the right to be able to do.

00:10:02.580 Particularly for these people, I want to remind them of what actually happens. If you are already

00:10:09.180 pro-life, I think this bolsters your stance. If you are pro-choice, it might just challenge you a

00:10:13.760 little bit to think about how you can kind of morally and logically defend this kind of procedure.

00:10:19.200 So from the moment of conception, very basic reminder, an unborn child, a zygote, whatever you

00:10:26.080 want to call it, has unique human DNA that is independent from his or her mom and dad. He or she

00:10:32.380 is a boy or a girl. She is not simply a clump of cells. She is not an object. She's not in some

00:10:38.520 transient state between dead and alive. He is a living, a rapidly developing human being. That

00:10:45.360 is a scientific fact. He is not anything other than a human being. There is no chance of him

00:10:51.480 growing into anything else other than a fully formed human baby with simple time. Every single

00:10:59.420 person you see walking around on earth was once a rapidly developing embryo that at first did not

00:11:06.600 resemble a human, but nevertheless possessed the telltale signs of humanity, which is human DNA.

00:11:12.760 Abortion kills a human. Again, a scientific fact that is not controversial, that is not able to be

00:11:22.000 argued with, that is a scientific fact. Early on in pregnancy, it's usually done by medication. So a

00:11:28.380 medical abortion or done by taking a pill, which actually poisons the tiny developing human being to

00:11:36.360 death. Later on in the pregnancy, later in the first trimester and into the second trimester,

00:11:41.580 they suck the baby out of a woman's uterus with a tube. In later weeks, when the baby's body parts

00:11:47.100 are too big to fit through the tube, the baby is dismembered with forceps, taking the baby apart

00:11:53.120 limb by limb out of the mother's uterus. Again, this was a living, moving human being with a beating heart

00:12:01.500 and a brain, a nervous system, hands, feet, fingers, toes, often able to feel pain. The bigger the baby

00:12:09.120 is, the harder he or she is to remove from the mother's uterus. So the skull is often crushed by

00:12:14.700 the forceps. So the abortionist can pull the head out of the vaginal canal. Some providers inject

00:12:22.340 potassium chloride through the mother's abdomen into her uterus and into the baby's heart to send

00:12:27.720 the baby into cardiac arrest before he or she is extracted from the womb with the forceps or in an

00:12:34.700 induction abortion, which is very rare in the United States, but still accounts for about 2% of abortions,

00:12:41.960 which is about 20,000 abortions per year, where the baby is killed by a forced heart attack with

00:12:48.920 potassium chloride and then delivered already dead. There is a book that was written in the 1970s by a

00:12:56.580 female psychiatrist and Holocaust survivor who observed a New York City abortion center and the

00:13:02.260 book is called Necessity and Sorrow. She is pro-abortion or was pro-abortion. She's no longer alive and she

00:13:09.440 believed that abortion is necessary, but unlike abortion activists today, she was very honest about what

00:13:17.280 abortion is. She writes this in her book. I look inside the bucket in front of me. I'm just warning you,

00:13:22.780 this is graphic. I look inside the bucket in front of me. There's a small naked person in there floating

00:13:27.840 in bloody liquid, plainly the tragic victim of a drowning accident. But then perhaps this was no

00:13:33.340 accident because the body is purple with bruises. Oh yes, I am no stranger here. I have seen brains

00:13:39.200 spilled on sidewalks and crushed forever with one blow. Who says you can't go home again? A death factory

00:13:45.160 is the same anywhere. So she is obviously comparing the abortion clinic at which she was attending. She

00:13:53.520 was observing there to what she saw in the Holocaust. Again, this is a person who is pro-choice,

00:14:00.280 pro-abortion. She quotes an abortionist, Dr. Benjamin Kalish, who said this to her,

00:14:06.860 when you put in the needle, theoretically, you go to the sack and you take out fluid and put in salt

00:14:12.320 water. But there are times when you hit the fetus and you can feel the fetus wiggling at the end of

00:14:17.680 that needle and moving around, which is an unpleasant thing. She quotes the director of

00:14:23.480 nursing, a woman by the name of Maureen O'Neill. The 20-week ones are a challenge. I agree with the

00:14:28.840 staff in one way that they feel a little repulsed when you get a big fetus. It is very traumatic for

00:14:34.720 the staff to pick this up and to put it in the container and say, okay, that's going to the

00:14:39.840 incinerator. That is the reality of abortion to this day. Babies are put in buckets and the ones

00:14:49.280 who survive abortions are oftentimes left to die. Virginia Governor Ralph Northam said himself just a

00:14:55.360 year and a half ago that babies who survive abortions will be set to the side and made comfortable while

00:15:02.160 the doctor and mother decide what to do. The case of abortionist Kermit Gosnell was just taken before

00:15:09.480 a jury a few years ago, 2013. The grand jury report of the case said this, this case is about a doctor

00:15:16.640 who killed babies and endangered women. What we mean is that he regularly and illegally delivered live

00:15:25.040 viable babies in the third trimester of pregnancy and then murdered these newborns by severing their

00:15:30.960 spinal cords with scissors. It states, the medical practice by which he carried out this business

00:15:36.320 was a filthy fraud in which he overdosed his patients with dangerous drugs, spread venereal disease

00:15:42.240 among them with infected instruments, perforated their wombs and bowels, and on at least two occasions

00:15:48.520 caused their deaths. Only last year, more than 2,000 fetal remains were found in the home of an

00:15:56.480 Indiana abortion doctor Ulrich Klopfer. The reality of abortion is gruesome. It is grotesque. It is brutal

00:16:05.600 and violent and painful and tragic and it sears the collective conscience of our country. It is a moral

00:16:12.900 travesty and the only justification for it is either evil or ignorance and after a certain amount of time

00:16:20.220 with all the information available on the subject, ignorance becomes evil. Even those who are without

00:16:26.920 Christ, even those who don't know God can still see the brutality and wickedness of abortion. The author

00:16:32.680 that I told you about of necessity and sorrow did not believe in God and yet she said that abortion in her

00:16:38.960 book, which she believed was a necessary evil, caused a deep and profound anguish in her heart. That's how she

00:16:46.220 described it. Because all humans are made in God's image, he has given us all a natural and basic

00:16:52.580 understanding of what evil looks like and feels like, even if people choose it anyway. It becomes

00:17:00.140 easier to choose evil when you convince yourself that evil isn't evil and that it's good. That's what

00:17:06.960 Planned Parenthood has done. That's what feminism as a whole has done. It's done an excellent job at

00:17:12.860 creating a positive PR campaign for abortion, changing the terminology so that words like

00:17:18.940 empowered, justice, equality, freedom, and choice are used to describe a procedure that can most

00:17:25.460 accurately be described as murder. There is also this very weird new age idea that I have seen floating

00:17:33.420 about online and I even heard it once in a documentary about abortion. It's this idea that our babies

00:17:39.260 choose us from the other side and when we miscarry or abort them, they're simply going back to the

00:17:46.720 other side. So like no harm, no foul. This is this weird, mystical, superstitious new age idea that I've

00:17:53.800 seen floating around on social media. So the idea is that the real person is a soul and the body is just

00:18:00.700 a sort of meaningless outer shell, a vessel, which means as it pertains to an unborn baby, that abortion

00:18:06.580 within this mentality doesn't actually kill and a miscarriage isn't actually death, but just a

00:18:12.720 passage of the real person, a soul back into the other world where they will wait until they have

00:18:19.120 the opportunity to quote, choose a parent again. People really truly believe this and it might sound

00:18:25.660 nice, but it is obviously nonetheless mythical. We see this idea as well in other conversations that

00:18:33.500 don't have to do with abortion, that the real self, the real you, it's on the inside and your body is

00:18:39.700 just kind of this arbitrary vessel. And we see it in the culture of self-love and self-help, which is

00:18:46.140 greatly influenced by the new age, that your real you deep down is good and pure and authentic. And if

00:18:53.320 you dig deep enough through self-discovery and self-love, you will find it and unleash it and be

00:18:58.060 fulfilled. This is the idea, by the way, behind the Enneagram. This is also the thinking

00:19:03.240 behind the normalization of things like gender fluidity and transgenderism. Who you are on the

00:19:09.320 inside is who you really are and your body should just be dictated by the real you inside. That's

00:19:16.540 how the thinking goes. But for the Christian, we know that that thinking is not biblical. That's not

00:19:21.780 a true view of a human being. The Bible teaches that our bodies and our spirits are intertwined, that

00:19:27.200 our bodies matter, that our bodies are a part of who we really are, and therefore they have meaning, that

00:19:33.460 God cares about our bodies. He created our bodies with specific purposes. He cares about what we do to

00:19:40.500 and with our bodies. There will one day be a resurrection of the bodies, and that we have a real

00:19:48.000 spiritual, imperishable body to look forward to. If you haven't read Love Thy Body by Nancy

00:19:54.580 Piercy, I highly encourage you to do so. So all of this means, from a biblical perspective,

00:20:00.440 that abortion kills a human being with a soul. A human being made in the image of God. A human

00:20:08.000 being whose body and soul were made by God and matter to God. A body who, strictly scientifically

00:20:15.500 speaking, can feel pain likely as early as 16 weeks. So that's only a third of the way through the

00:20:21.620 second trimester, if my math is correct. But the abortion lobby doesn't want you to think of that.

00:20:27.080 They don't want you to think about the reality of abortion at all. As long as they can get

00:20:32.240 women to think of abortion in the abstract, as a political movement, as a symbol of freedom or

00:20:40.380 a representation of empowerment, rather than a physical violent act, they can continue to win

00:20:47.520 unwitting people onto their side. I want to read you a quote from C.S. Lewis's Screwtape Letters,

00:20:54.360 a book that I've read several times. I've now read it again through my online book club.

00:20:59.560 Screwtape, if you don't know about Screwtape Letters, so Screwtape is the fictional demon

00:21:03.700 writing letters to his nephew, Wormwood. And he starts out, the book starts out with the first letter

00:21:11.520 in which Screwtape is instructing his nephew, Wormwood, how to keep his patient, and that is

00:21:18.100 the human he is trying to torment and tempt away from God, away from Christianity. So this is what

00:21:23.180 he says. Jargon, not argument, is your best ally in keeping him from the church. Don't waste time

00:21:30.260 trying to make him think that materialism is true. Make him think it is strong or stark or courageous,

00:21:36.380 that it is the philosophy of the future. That's the sort of thing he cares about. By the very act

00:21:42.700 of arguing, you awake the patient's reason. And once it is awake, who can foresee the result?

00:21:49.000 This is exactly why pro-abortionists, so-called pro-choicers, don't argue about abortion. This is

00:21:56.300 why they don't talk about what abortion actually is or does. This is why they cannot and do not

00:22:02.220 typically try to make any real moral sense of it or moral defense of it because there isn't one.

00:22:09.260 They use jargon and the feeling that if you are pro-choice, you're on the right side of history

00:22:15.700 without actually giving any real answer to what that really means. They know that if they try to

00:22:22.320 appeal to reason or logic or morality or anything that's actually real, they will lose. So they numb

00:22:30.500 your brain with ridiculous doublespeak that makes no sense but nevertheless sounds really good.

00:22:36.640 So my goal right now, always when I talk about this subject, is to awaken your reason. Because you

00:22:43.500 are too smart, girl. You are too smart to be pro-choice. Now, you know too much. I know that

00:22:53.440 you don't want to think about it. I know that you don't want to consider this because you don't

00:22:59.040 know what your friends are going to think and you don't want to be a bad feminist. You don't want

00:23:05.140 to be anti-woman. You want to believe in female equality. Well, let me just tell you. Let me level

00:23:10.780 with you woman to woman and say abortion ain't it. If a woman can't be equal without killing her baby,

00:23:16.520 then she doesn't deserve to be equal at all. I want you to think about this. I want you to consider

00:23:22.820 this. I want you to think about your moral arguments and your logical arguments for the violent

00:23:27.740 killing of babies inside the womb. I want you to think through the questions that I have laid before

00:23:34.740 you and I encourage you to go back and listen to some other episodes that I've done. I probably

00:23:39.520 answer a lot of the questions that you have and just wrestle with this. If you are truly right

00:23:44.640 in being pro-choice, if you are truly correct, if you are on the quote right side of history,

00:23:49.160 then you have nothing to fear in wrestling with some of the questions and the things that I have put

00:23:54.940 before you today. So that's my challenge. It is no coincidence that Satan works the same way as the

00:24:00.440 abortion movement does, as the abortion movement is under the influence of Satan. And I understand

00:24:05.320 if you're not a Christian, that's going to sound crazy to you. But if you are a Christian, this is a

00:24:09.820 reminder that there's no such thing as neutral grounds. To quote my good friend C.S. Lewis again,

00:24:14.800 there is no neutral ground in the universe. Every square inch, every split second is claimed by God

00:24:21.580 and counterclaimed by Satan. Let that reality sink in to every word that you speak, every thought that

00:24:30.700 you conjure, and every step that you take, that there is no neutral ground. I do want to say as

00:24:36.460 well that while the abortion industry, abortion news is always bleak, there are good things happening in

00:24:41.960 the pro-life front. The Supreme Court is set to rule on an abortion related to a case, or sorry,

00:24:49.880 it's set to rule on an abortion related case, Jew Medical Services v. Rousseau. This is about a

00:24:55.660 2014 Louisiana law that requires doctors who perform abortions to have admitting privileges

00:25:01.220 to a local hospital. Abortion advocates are really angry about this. They think that,

00:25:07.760 as is the case in New York and other states, that not only should doctors not be required to have

00:25:13.720 admitting privileges into a hospital, but also that non-doctors should be allowed to perform

00:25:18.320 abortions. The Guttmacher Institute, the research arm of Planned Parenthood, released a new report

00:25:23.040 that says that 15 states could see abortion access profoundly reduced if the Louisiana law is

00:25:29.480 upheld. There are already six states that have a similar law that is currently not enacted while

00:25:34.400 waiting for the Supreme Court ruling. So that's Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee,

00:25:39.220 and Texas. CBS News says this, admitting privileges, admitting privilege laws have historically been tied to

00:25:46.500 clinic closures when an admitting privilege law in Texas. When an admitting privilege law in Texas was

00:25:50.180 in effect from November 2013 to June 2016, the number of clinics in the state nearly halved, dropping

00:25:56.040 from 22 from 41. So that obviously, I'm not going to pretend that I'm not celebrating that. Of course,

00:26:04.440 that might not be the main goal of this law, but it is a happy outcome. It is a happy consequence of

00:26:14.060 all of that. Of course, we want fewer abortion clinics and we want fewer abortions. And so we're

00:26:19.260 hoping that this goes in the favor, that the decision goes in the favor of the Louisiana law,

00:26:24.440 considering that we have pretty much a conservative majority right now on the Supreme Court. It's

00:26:29.520 looking pretty good. So that's hopeful and possibly good news. There's also a report from Heartbeat

00:26:34.620 International's Abortion Pill Rescue Network that says that women calling their hotline for an abortion

00:26:39.880 pill reversal has gone up from about 50 percent, I think, to 80 percent of people who call and actually

00:26:46.480 go through with the reversal. And there are a lot more people that are calling in, a lot more women

00:26:50.900 that are calling in. So praise God. Remember, God's work doesn't always make headlines, doesn't usually

00:26:56.460 make headlines, but it is always happening. And in fact, God's reality and God's work is the realist

00:27:01.880 reality that we exist in, not what's going on on Twitter and not what's going on in the news.

00:27:06.060 Okay, let's talk about H.R. 6666, also known as the Trace Act, a bill in the House of Representatives

00:27:14.340 introduced by Democrats. It has to do with testing for coronavirus and contact tracing. A lot of you

00:27:23.460 have asked me to talk about this. There is kind of limited information on it if you just Google it.

00:27:28.080 So I'll tell you what I know. The text of the bill says this is its purpose. To authorize the

00:27:35.240 Secretary of Health and Human Services to award grants to eligible entities to conduct diagnostic

00:27:41.480 testing for COVID-19 and related activities such as contact tracing through mobile health units and

00:27:48.460 as necessary at individuals' residences and for other purposes. So the bill gives money to applicants

00:27:56.240 who are medical centers, nonprofits, and the like to basically do testing, outreach, and contact tracing.

00:28:03.620 So to set up either a mobile testing unit in your area and or do door-to-door outreach. I guess

00:28:11.020 asking, it doesn't say specifics, but I guess asking you like if you want to be tested for coronavirus and

00:28:17.020 if you test positive, asking whom you've been around, tracing those contacts, tell them they've

00:28:25.120 been exposed and probably test them and so on and so on and the network just grows. The first problem

00:28:30.380 that you read of this. So the concern that a lot of people have is, of course, about privacy. And the

00:28:36.320 first problem that you read in the first line is for other purposes. So what does that mean? For

00:28:42.900 other purposes. Let's read that again. To authorize the Secretary of Health and Human Services to award

00:28:49.240 grants to eligible entities to conduct diagnostic testing for COVID-19 and related activities such as

00:28:55.780 contact tracing through mobile health units and as necessary at individuals' residences and for other

00:29:03.420 purposes. I'm even confused just about like the syntax there, but we don't know what for other

00:29:08.780 purposes is. So diagnostic testing for other purposes, setting up these mobile health units

00:29:15.020 for other purposes. I don't really know what that means and the bill doesn't tell us. So for what

00:29:21.740 other purposes are people going to be traced or to have these people paid by the government showing up

00:29:27.740 at our houses? The bill says that they can do the testing and contact tracing at mobile medical units

00:29:34.720 or it says as necessary, testing individuals and providing individuals with services related to testing

00:29:41.260 and quarantine at their residences. There's again, a lot of vagueness here. Like we don't know what

00:29:47.220 providing individuals with services related to testing and quarantine at their residences means.

00:29:53.660 That needs to be clarified. There's a lot going on right now that seems to be a violation of privacy

00:29:59.120 that people are justifiably worried about. So I don't really trust that the caveat that they have in

00:30:06.020 here because they do have a little caveat. I don't really trust that this caveat that says that this

00:30:13.660 bill can't supersede our privacy rights. It says that this bill doesn't supersede any of our federal

00:30:19.740 privacy or confidentiality rights. I just don't trust that that means anything. It doesn't really

00:30:24.940 feel like we have a whole lot of privacy rights right now, even though the bill of rights doesn't

00:30:29.560 make an exception for a pandemic. Apparently some governors think that it does. I understand the need

00:30:35.480 for testing or the desire for testing. And theoretically, theoretically, I could see the benefit

00:30:41.780 of voluntary contact tracing, but, but huge, but here, I'm not sure how you do that without violating

00:30:50.100 people's privacy. So the person who tests positive and then tells the person who tested them whom he's

00:30:56.680 been around. And then what happens? He, he gives the person who tested him all the personal information

00:31:03.900 about all their friends that they have been around. So like their name, their address, their phone number,

00:31:08.580 how does this contact tracing work? And if that information is already out there and I just don't

00:31:13.700 know, please, please tell me. I know that this has happened in South Korea, but it's not outlined

00:31:19.560 in this bill. So these government paid entities will trace and monitor the contacts of infected

00:31:27.620 individuals. So these government paid entities, according to this bill, will be authorized to trace

00:31:34.960 and monitor the contacts of the person who tested positive for coronavirus. So the person who tests

00:31:41.780 positive and then tells the person who tested him, every one he's been around and presumably all their

00:31:46.800 personal information, these entities can then trace and monitor those people. So how, through what

00:31:53.740 means, how is this, how is this happening? Is there any consent involved in the tracing and monitoring

00:31:59.340 of the people who have been in contact, probably unknowingly with someone who has been infected

00:32:04.240 with the coronavirus? And what does support the quarantine of such contacts means? How do you

00:32:10.000 support quarantine? By making sure that people don't leave? Like how, how are you going to do that?

00:32:16.300 How do you actually enforce that? This is where people are afraid justifiably of tyranny. And some

00:32:22.500 people are afraid, and this is more of an implication. This isn't actually said in this bill, but some

00:32:27.380 people are afraid that this means supporting quarantine means being taken out of their homes. I mean,

00:32:31.840 that's happened in China, that's happened in places like South Korea. An official for the WHO suggested

00:32:37.600 the same thing, that people who are sick be taken somewhere else with other sick people rather than

00:32:42.180 remaining home with their families. People just aren't going to do that. And the government has no right

00:32:47.740 to force people to do that. The bill does say nothing in this section, like I said, shall be

00:32:52.380 construed to supersede any federal privacy or confidentiality requirement. Well, it just doesn't seem like that

00:32:59.780 idea has been holding up very well recently. So there are a lot of questions with this bill that

00:33:05.100 need to be, that need to be answered. A lot of open-endedness. I would be wary of, again, conspiracies.

00:33:12.540 I would be wary of hyperbole. I'd be wary of listening to every single thing that you hear. Just go read the

00:33:18.660 text for yourself and you can try to decipher it. All of these bills are always in such stupid jargon and

00:33:25.420 confusing language. But if you read it a few times and you break it down, you'll probably end up with a lot of

00:33:30.600 the same questions that I do. I don't want to spin you into a tizzy with conspiracy theories that I don't know.

00:33:35.620 These are just the questions I have as I was reading the bill itself. And then we see that the Democrats in the

00:33:40.540 House of Representatives just unveiled a new $3 trillion relief bill for coronavirus. $3 trillion. That is truly, just as a lot of

00:33:50.100 Republicans are saying, a wish list of all the things Democrats want, uh, want anyway, even outside of a

00:33:56.140 pandemic with no thought whatsoever, uh, toward whether or not we can actually afford to spend another $3 trillion.

00:34:02.940 And listen to this, $75 billion would go towards testing, contact tracing, and isolation measures.

00:34:11.880 Testing, contact tracing, and isolation measures. Again, and you're going to tell people, y'all are going to tell

00:34:18.140 people that people don't have, have to, have to be worried. People don't have to be worried about

00:34:22.540 government overreach. People don't have to be worried about tyranny. We're already worried about

00:34:26.340 tyranny. Like we're already seeing a lot of the things that are happening in a lot of states with

00:34:30.340 indefinite lockdowns, telling people that they can't go outside. They can't provide for their

00:34:34.220 families. They can't even plant gardens in their own backyard. We're already worried about the tyranny.

00:34:39.280 And then we see House Democrats trying to push this down the pipeline. $3 trillion, $75 billion

00:34:45.180 towards testing, contact tracing, and isolation measures. We would like to know what that means,

00:34:51.800 Nancy Pelosi. We would love to know what that means. Uh, $600, $600 in unemployment benefits per

00:34:59.780 week to every single person who is unemployed through January, 2021. So it was July, 2020. Now

00:35:06.080 they're trying to extend that through January, 2021, which means that many people will not go back to

00:35:11.720 work because they can make more money unemployed than employed, which will keep unemployment rates

00:35:17.120 high, which they know Democrats know is bad for Trump. So that is the heart behind that. It's not

00:35:21.900 compassion. Uh, this would be the most expensive spending package in United States history. Maybe

00:35:28.860 some of this stuff in the bill is good. Uh, but I am telling you, Democrats are leveraging this crisis.

00:35:34.500 If you haven't already noticed for further control and to continue to try to foil Trump,

00:35:39.820 which is evil as millions of Americans are suffering from the fatalities and the terrible effects of

00:35:47.080 this lockdown. I mean, people are looking to places like Sweden who never even fully locked down and

00:35:52.920 yes, they've had their cases and they've had their deaths, but is it astronomically higher than the

00:36:01.040 places who have locked down? And even if you look state by state, the states who have not locked down,

00:36:06.240 are their numbers astronomically higher than the states who have locked down? No, they're actually

00:36:11.000 lower than a lot of states. New York has been locked down for a long time and they continue to

00:36:15.440 struggle, but you're not seeing the same kind of thing in California or Florida or even Georgia.

00:36:20.420 All of the states, at least Florida and Georgia have been lambasted by the media, but the numbers are not

00:36:25.920 supporting this hysteria. And I've always said, look, we should take this seriously. We should distance

00:36:31.940 voluntarily. You should wash your hands, please, for the love of all things good. Cover your mouth when

00:36:38.340 you cough and sneeze. Be smart. But people should be able to largely make their own decisions. But the

00:36:46.340 tiny tyrants are unable to release any control because they love power. They love power. They're

00:36:52.680 like vampires sucking the blood out of America and the blood is just power and they're feeling stronger

00:36:59.340 and stronger. And the question is, here's the question for Christians, which I've been asked

00:37:03.460 many times, which I'm not going to be able to get into fully today, but I'll either address it fully

00:37:07.320 on Friday or Monday. What do Christians do in the face of rebellion? It was John Knox that famously

00:37:14.100 said that rebellion to tyranny is obedience to God. And the question is, is that true in light of Romans 13?

00:37:21.800 Because there is contention around, uh, about that. There is a controversy surrounding that. And I

00:37:29.040 will get into that fully and we'll talk about what Christians do, who should respect the institution of

00:37:35.840 the government and should be respectful and we should seek peace. But at what point and how do we push back

00:37:42.840 against the tyranny that causes suffering and sorrow for millions of Americans and for generations to come?

00:37:49.460 I am going to end on one of my favorite passages. I'm going to end on a positive, hopeful note. And

00:37:55.080 I've read this passage to you guys before and I love it because it truly is so hopeful. If you're

00:38:01.220 looking around and you feel like wickedness and evil are prevailing and you think that corruption is

00:38:06.820 going to win and you don't know if God is going to deliver us or you're worried or you're scared,

00:38:12.000 this is such a great passage. It's such a good reminder of God's faithfulness and what he will do

00:38:17.140 and what we as his people should be doing, uh, in the meantime. So this is Psalm 37, one through

00:38:22.460 nine. I encourage you to read the whole thing, but I will just read you a few verses. Fret not

00:38:27.960 yourself because of evil doers. Be not envious of wrongdoers for they will soon fade like the grass

00:38:33.260 and wither like the green herb. Trust in the Lord and do good. Dwell in the land and befriend

00:38:39.160 faithfulness. Delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart. Commit your way

00:38:45.280 to the Lord. Trust in him and he will act. He will bring forth your righteousness as light and your

00:38:51.160 justice as the noon day. Be still before the Lord and wait patiently for him. Fret not yourself over

00:38:57.640 the one who prospers in his way, over the man who carries out evil devices. Refrain from anger and

00:39:04.240 forsake wrath. Fret not yourself. It tends only to evil. For the evildoers shall be cut off, but those who

00:39:11.760 wait for the Lord shall inherit the land. And I could just keep going. It's one of my favorite

00:39:16.100 chapters ever, but I encourage you to read it and to meditate on it and to remember that God truly is

00:39:21.480 in control and he is faithful and he's not surprised or thrown back or taken aback by any of this. And we

00:39:27.200 can trust him and continue to be obedient with him and even be joyful in the midst of this chaos and all

00:39:32.620 of the uncertainty. Okay. That's all I have for you today. I will be back here on Friday. I know I keep

00:39:37.760 on putting off talking about Plandemic and I promise to do that. I just haven't been able to look into

00:39:42.120 it sufficiently. Um, but I will try to cover that for you very soon and have a great rest of your week.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - May 13, 2020

Ep 249 ｜ My Body, My C ... ontact Tracing？

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