Ep 257 ｜ Leaving the Prosperity Gospel Behind and the Deconversion of Christians ｜ Guest： Costi Hinn
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Summary
Kosti Hinn is a pastor in Arizona and the author of the book, God, Greed, and the Prosperity Gospel. He is the nephew of Benny Hinn, who is a very famous prosperity preacher. Kosti grew up around all of that, and we get to hear his testimony. We talk about the prosperity gospel, and deconversion.
Transcript
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He is also the author of the book, God, Greed, and the Prosperity Gospel.
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He is the nephew of Benny Hinn, who is a very famous and has been a very famous for a long
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You're going to hear his testimony, and we're also going to talk about the prosperity gospel.
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We're going to talk a little bit about this trend of deconversion that we talked about
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Let me play you a little clip of Benny Hinn, just so you can kind of have some context for
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Father, in Jesus' name, heal those people tonight.
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In Jesus' name, heal those people tonight, Lord.
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That is the theology that surrounded Kosti Hinn and that kind of characterized his life growing
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And so this is going to be a really awesome conversation.
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Okay, without further ado, here is my friend Kosti Hinn.
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So for those who don't know, will you tell them who you are and what you do?
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I am a pastor at a church in Gilbert, Arizona now.
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And then before this, we just moved here last summer.
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Perfect time to move to Arizona when it's 109 in the summer.
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I was pastoring in a church there in the Irvine, California area.
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So we've got four kids, a new baby, and I've got an amazing wife who is a great teammate
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I mean, I go from morning to night and do whatever I want.
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And I would like you to start by telling us kind of how your faith journey started.
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Yeah, so I grew up in the prosperity gospel and the word of faith movement and in the center
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of it because of who my family is and some of my family members.
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And then my uncle is more kind of well-known in those circles.
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And then also because my dad and him were so close and they worked together a lot.
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I grew up riding on the coattails of it as a young man.
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And then eventually worked with my uncle, worked in that whole, that world, believed it, taught
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And so life, very early, teenage years, younger years, again, was riding on the coattails of
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my older family members who were sort of the generals, if you will, the patriarchs of the
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And in a Middle Eastern family, really traditional, you name your firstborn son after your father.
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So there's sort of this aura, supposed to be some aura or like anointing on my life that I'm
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So I'm going to take the mantle, if you will, sort of like Elijah and Elisha.
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And then I'm going to take the ministry and the whole, whatever, the family name and the
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healing power of God to the next level, to the next generation.
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The only problem was that didn't actually happen over the years throughout different moments in my
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And then I would look at the Bible, I'd look at what we taught, and those things didn't match.
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I was always afraid to question because we were taught, touch not the Lord's anointed.
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So in that regard, I never said anything, but I had a lot of thoughts.
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And then the Lord just put these people in my life that asked questions.
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They loved me enough to tell me the hard truth.
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They didn't tiptoe around me, and that was I had a college coach.
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I played baseball at Dallas Baptist University, and he was instrumental in my life, telling
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me about the sovereignty of God and the gospel and truth.
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And then my now wife, who at the time was my girlfriend and wasn't really getting it.
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And by getting it, I mean my family wanted her to speak in tongues and to have to be spirit
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And she had to fall and kind of fall at the feet, so to speak, of the big generals in the
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And then I eventually had a pastor in my life who came alongside me and discipled me.
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So I went from flying on a Gulfstream jet, staying in the nicest hotels in the world,
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like in Dubai, the Burj Al Arab, the hotel that's shaped like a big sail.
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We stayed there in the Royal Suite, 25K US a night.
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And you go to London and stay at the Lansboro, and you go to Ritz, the Ritz in Paris.
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We just kind of lived like LeBron, like rock stars.
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It was all supposed to be sort of the blessed life or your best life now, Osteen style.
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And then persecution, like the Apostle Paul and many other New Testament writers say that
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Christians are going to endure, for us was, oh man, NBC did a piece on us, or Inside Edition
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Or that Baptist guy down the street said, we're false teachers.
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Look at the way he's trying to undermine our ministry and distract us.
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And so that was the way I viewed the whole world.
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So if you were a Baptist, I'd say you were in the dead church, and we had the real power.
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And if you were a Lutheran, I'd say, like, you don't even have it.
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And so very elitist, very wealthy, very powerful, servants working for us.
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You know, there's feather dusters involved that would, you know, dust off the Bentleys
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But that life, sort of Kardashian style, was our life in ministry.
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And then God just absolutely obliterated in a good way my thoughts, my heart, my emotions,
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my mindset, and transformed my life and my understanding of the gospel.
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Were there moments before college when you had those mentors that came into your life
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Were there moments growing up where, even for just a second, you said, hang on, this doesn't
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feel right, or this doesn't seem right, or hang on, what does this Bible passage say?
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Or was it really that you were just totally blinded by it all and completely inundated with
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this lifestyle up until someone kind of metaphorically shook you by the shoulders and said, here's
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Primarily what you just said, living it, enjoying it, but then pockets of what you just described.
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Moments where, gosh, you know, a little girl didn't get healed, and I'm just losing it after
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the service, and I'm crying, and we know that people don't get healed.
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And we would say, hey, sometimes things happen.
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So it wasn't that she didn't get healed, but now my whole theology changed.
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It was that we had guaranteed that if the family or if an individual or if people, whatever,
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gave enough money or had enough faith, that healing was guaranteed.
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So I saw wealthy people write checks for massive amounts, six-figure amounts, but then their
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We said they were going to get healed if they sowed a seed.
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You're going to have what you gave and reap what you sow.
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And so those moments, they would literally shake me to my core, and I would think, what's
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But then, I've often said this before, to my shame and my regret, when you see a lot of
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that stuff over the years, you begin to grow numb and a bit hard.
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But also, even if it does break you once in a while, it is really, really easy to forget
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the brokenness that is going on in the ministry and around and the lies.
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When you sit, you're behind on the leather on a Gulfstream jet, and the host, our Italian
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We literally had an Italian guy who made us whatever we wanted.
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It's so easy then to justify it and say, you know, well, I don't have all the answers.
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And now, all of a sudden, all those doctrines that you kind of shoved to the side, they really
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But meanwhile, four hours prior, you were guaranteeing Jesus is going to show up, heal everybody if
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You kind of filled the coffers, and now we're out.
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I'm not virtue signaling and acting like, oh, I'm so holy.
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When you're a young guy, and God starts working in your heart, you don't want to act like a
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Was there a sense of, well, God wouldn't give us these material blessings if we weren't
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Did you kind of see, or did the people around you see the blessings that it seemed like God
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was giving you guys as an affirmation of the validity of your ministry?
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That's how a lot of the system is built, or the system of affirmation.
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Imagine I get up, and I look at a whole bunch of people, and it doesn't matter if they're
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rich, poor, if they're in the third world, the first world.
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The greatest, both in a good way and a negative way, the greatest tool for manipulation that
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you can use, or let's say influence when it's used well, is to say, look at my life, or look
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If you go to a restaurant, and you go, this food was amazing.
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They'll go to the restaurant if you vouch for it.
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This is why everyone Instagrams their meals now, and every meal, they're like, look what
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But then imagine going on a stage and saying, look at my life.
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I live in one of the nicest neighborhoods in all of Orange County.
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Do you know why God is blessing me with all this?
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Do you know why we have the presence of God in our home every day?
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Do you know why the Lord has given me a worldwide ministry?
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And then you say, if you want that anointing, I want to give it to you.
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And you just made yourself $400,000 or $500,000 right there.
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How easy is it then to go to the next stadium or convention center or the third world?
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You know how celebrities, like they go to the award shows, the Grammys or whatever, and ushers up Taylor Swift.
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And then all the little girls are like, oh, I'm going to be the next Taylor Swift.
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Like literally 0.00001 of you are going to be famous or even good at singing probably.
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But they tell everyone, if you just believe it, you can do it.
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And, you know, to kind of turn it on us, I don't care if you think you're the best next Allie Stuckey or you're going to be like Allie Stuckey.
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And you tell everyone, if you just believe, you could have what I have.
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They're going to have to know their politics, their Bible.
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So, side note on that is, you know, we're just doing the same thing.
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Getting up and making a bunch of people feel like they could have what we have so that they what?
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Now, in the celebrity world and in our world, we might say work hard, keep at it.
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There's a difference between encouragement and the manipulation.
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But we take that concept and we use it to make a ton of money and get people to do what we want so they could have what we have.
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Now, was there a lot of anger about your conversion?
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You're coming into true Christianity when it happened.
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If your family was inundated in this stuff for a long time and it sounds like your entire family was and probably really believed it and had invested so much time, energy and resources into this.
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And what was the reaction like when you said, you know, that stuff's not true and I'm going to go this way?
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Yeah, multiple family members call me and cheer it on and they'll remain nameless for now.
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But they came kind of came out of hiding and said, look, we're not pastors.
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But as a pastor, we're so glad that you're going to speak the truth and then refute error, which is what pastors have to do.
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You can't just sit around and kind of tell everyone, make everyone feel good and act like, oh, we're all, you know, together in this universalism and we're all going to get there anyway.
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You know, Paul, all over the New Testament, Romans 16, verse 17 and 18, Ephesians 5, 11, expose deeds of darkness, mark false teachers.
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Like to stay silent is literally just passive agreement.
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You're just you're complicit in some of these issues because you're not saying anything or doing your job as a pastor.
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So they come out and they go, thank God, like, go, go, Kosti, go, so to speak.
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Other family, other side of the spectrum, very, very strong responses.
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And then at one point, one of my other uncles called me and said, this is out of your jurisdiction.
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And what he meant was he's an apostle and I'm just a pastor.
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He ended up agreeing with, he said, everything you're saying is true and right, but it's out of your jurisdiction.
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And I thought, well, then, you know, apostle, you deal with it.
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And so we had talked behind closed doors as a family.
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My grandmother, before she passed away for actually decades is not an exaggeration, used
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to say in her broken Arabic, you know, Benny, this man, no Holy Spirit.
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She used to get upset and tell him to stop doing certain things, you know, family dinners
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And then there'd be a little, you know, kind of debate and whatnot.
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And so as a family, for years, we had just internally understood some things needed to
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The thing is not everyone in the next generation or even around became a pastor and then decided
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And so when I got saved and when I got discipled, I started seeing passages that made me really,
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to be honest, uncomfortable, but also emboldened.
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And I thought, Jesus, you, you demand through your word that pastors like get on the front
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lines and stop trying to be politicians or diplomats and statesmen and act all like we're
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Like gone are the days when people used to hate preachers and even other men have quoted
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other men like Richard Baxter and Lawson has said this before, Dr. Steve Lawson, they'll
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say the problem with preachers today is nobody wants to kill them anymore.
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They're not saying the hard truth that they're supposed to say.
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And you think John the Baptist lost his head for it.
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The disciples over and over, you know, Stephen, the first martyr of the church.
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Anyway, I just rabbit trailed on what pastors are supposed to do, but they were upset.
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And then in the middle, there were there and there still are these great moments of tension
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where, for example, I had some family members come over one time to our little dingy apartment
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when we first got married and we had left everything.
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And it was like, just, we thought it was so cool to be on our own.
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We're like, we're going to serve Jesus and let everything go and to live as Christ.
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And then you realize when people come over who are really rich and they park their bins
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outside your dingy apartment and people are like doing drugs across the way at the motel.
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You're like, oh yeah, maybe we're not living the high level.
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So they come over and I opened my Bible and I said, okay, 1 Timothy 3.
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So I took the two individuals to 1 Timothy 3 and I just began walking through verses
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one through seven, the qualifications of a pastor, an elder, an overseer of the church.
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And then I went a little cage stage because I did this imperfectly.
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I, some of the lessons I've learned are not because I'm wise.
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It's because I was foolish and I made some mistakes and then learn.
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And I started listing, you know, temperate, prudent.
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In fact, our CEO or COO or different financial advisors would call us on the road sometimes,
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call my uncle and different people and say, at the next services, you need to fundraise
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This, I mean, there were, we did this to make money, period.
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Jesus was just a means to an end, which shipwrecked so many people's faith in our family.
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Because when you view God that way as a magic genie, you don't actually know him.
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When you view the church and the Bible and all of that as a means to an end, you actually
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get kind of tired of it because you need a break, which is why many times we didn't
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And on Sunday, if we would have ever said like, let's go to church, like church, please.
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And so that wrestling match began with family members and some of them I'm thankful ended
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I've got a pretty good relationship with my mom and dad.
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And some of our in-laws and people, we have very good conversations now.
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And so we had to navigate those waters and that just goes to the territory.
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So we were talking about your family members and how some of the relationships are still
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Now we heard, I remember hearing or seeing a video maybe about a year ago that Benny Henn
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actually said, you know, a lot of the stuff that I've been doing in the past, I don't
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Was that, was that repentance or what was the after effect of that video?
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Well, yeah, based on if the, we let the Bible be the lens through which we look at the situation.
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The statement was that he's no longer going to use money and attach it to miracles.
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So I'm not going to say, give a thousand dollars to you or give this.
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He said, the Holy Spirit is kind of fed up with it.
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But then I thought, well, the Holy Spirit's been fed up with it.
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So when, you know, and that's great because we all have a moment where we say that I think
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And what we're really saying is I'm coming to an understanding that God doesn't approve
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And then after that, just being in the family and in conversations, imagine for a moment
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that I'm a little, I'm just a little guy, right?
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Kosti Hinn getting saved and speaking out against the prosperity gospel is nothing.
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It's the easiest thing to, to push aside and go, oh, he's just bitter at his uncle,
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or he's trading on the family name, or he's just this, or you can make up whatever storyline
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I'm a local pastor and I'm, I happen to be a Hinn.
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And so it gets a little attention and people want to talk about the subject, but here's
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My uncle says what he said, and he was bombarded with phone calls from big players because he's
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If he starts saying what he said, and he keeps taking that to its logical conclusion, which
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means you have to start dealing with fake healings, false prophecy, and all the other
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things that go along with the little seed faith offering that you would promote, well, the
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And here's the deal, Ali, you know, this and I do as well.
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There is a huge difference between remorse and repentance.
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He goes and hangs himself, tries to get the money back, throws it at the feet of the high
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And then they go, they're like, well, this is blood money.
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I want to get off the hook because I got busted.
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You remember, remember Zach, he goes up in a tree and he's just trying to see Jesus.
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I doubt, you know, my uncle couldn't even pay everyone back if he tried, but it's the heart,
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Jesus doesn't want our works and, oh, look, you paid everyone back and every nickel and
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Paul, the apostle, when he changed, it was like they were so nervous going, here's the
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So right now, as it stands, not on a personal level at all, it's nothing personal.
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I would say that to anybody in the church, anyone at our church who came asking questions.
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It's great that he said he won't give numbers anymore, associate them with miracles and all
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And I love, I'm against the poverty gospel and I'm not saying God can't bless people.
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So when he says, you know, I'm still for prosperity, you know, great.
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The wealthy people in the world are a blessing to the gospel.
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It's not a sin and all that's good and well, but repentance is repentance of sin, saying
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So keep him in prayer and people need to stay discerning.
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Don't be so skeptical and aggressive with everyone, but, you know, be discerning and use wisdom.
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And can you give some practical tips for people who maybe they're listening to this and they
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are realizing that they've believed in the prosperity gospel without knowing it, or maybe
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they're wondering, hang on a second, I think my church might be perpetuating the prosperity
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Can you tell people how to discern that, how to discern whether or not they're under a pastor
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who is preaching this or whether they've just been taking in teachings that have been
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You're looking for transactional language when it comes to God, you know, a give to get God.
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You're at a prosperity gospel church or a prosperity light, kind of like Diet Coke, where you can't
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really pin it because they're not heretics, but they're really feeding the system and going,
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And another one, always, always happy, always good news.
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The truth is in Philippians 1 there at the end, verses 28 and 29, Paul tells the church
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at Philippi, it's been granted to you the privilege to suffer.
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Romans 5 speaks to the shaping that's happening to our character and the hope that it's producing
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Consider it all joy when you encounter various trials.
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The testing of your faith is producing endurance.
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If they're avoiding that, you're probably at a prosperity church or a prosperity light
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One of the biggest ones, breakthrough, or, you know, leaning into what God has for you,
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Breakthrough and, you know, what God has for you.
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Is the breakthrough, freedom from sin, freedom from addiction, freedom from bondage, and
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new life in Christ, freedom in Him, is He the treasure?
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Is the leaning into what God has for you a greater purpose, a greater life because you
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Or is that now a new spin, another spin on John 10, 10, the abundant life, and it's,
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Actually, some people, God wants to use them in incredible ways, right where they are.
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Like, hey, I sowed this seed, or I did what you told me, I had enough faith, and then $10,000
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There's some really neat stories, but like so many things that God has designed, and even
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He does, that are beautiful and supernatural, what does the devil do?
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He always wants to twist them and ruin them, steal, kill, and destroy.
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God gave us marriage, and the beauty of sexuality, and men, and women, and all of that, the beautiful
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Let me mess with adultery, and let me turn that on its head so that people actually go,
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And millennials are like, you know, I'm going to stay single until I'm 40, build a career.
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Because they've seen the brokenness, and it's the same thing in the church world.
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There are beautiful concepts of blessing and joy and God's provision, and He heals, and
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He does incredible things, but you don't take those and turn them into a formula, and you
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The devil's always trying to take what God is using for good and twist it, use it for
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And I think that it's going to help a lot of people who need a clarity about that.
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Now, if you're willing to talk about it, I just wanted to kind of get your take on what
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I saw as a kind of back and forth a little bit between Todd White, who is a pastor, and
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And I didn't know everything that happened, but you were a part of a documentary called
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American Gospel, which is now on Netflix, which I highly encourage everyone to go watch.
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I have talked about it a lot on my podcasts, but it's an amazing documentary.
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But there was a little bit of back and forth that I saw that maybe someone told Todd White
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that, hey, we would love for you to watch this documentary, and he didn't want to, and
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Yeah, so it's very, it's blown up, but it was very low drama.
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It was, he has a friend who, they were his daughter, and his daughter were at dance together,
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The guy watched American Gospel and basically got saved.
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Brandon Kimber, who made American Gospel, and I are really good friends, obviously is
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And he reached out and said, hey, a friend of mine, a guy reached out to me, he's buddies
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with Todd White, got saved, wants to give him a copy of American Gospel, but asked specifically
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if maybe you would write a letter to Todd, something personal, just share your heart.
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It's like, doors closed, leave me alone, email off, and I'm going, okay, God, like I
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So I just unloaded my heart, and I went the love route, and I was firm.
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Like everyone, you know, some people were like, how dare you say you love Todd White on Twitter?
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Do you want, like, you want them to go to hell?
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You need to evangelize and try to reach people, and then let God do the finality of judgment.
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But at the same time, the goal, like Paul said, the goal of our instruction is love.
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So I told Todd in the letter, like, I love you.
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But, and I told him flat out, I will literally drop everything, be there for you.
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I don't care what I lose, or who says I'm crazy, or what, you know, if Pulpit and Pen writes an article about me, I don't care.
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If you turn, like, you'll have to give up a lot.
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But dude, like, you gain Christ, you have everything.
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Everything that any of us would say on our, like, last ditch, throw the rope, trying to get him.
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So, yeah, the letter and the DVD were given to him.
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And then I was told personally and privately that he said, no way, man, I'm going to throw these away and rip the letter.
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And so I was told his response of what he said and all of that.
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And then the other day, somebody sends me a sermon and Todd, you know, called it out and said what happened.
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And here's, here's, if I was, if the cameras were off and Allie, you, your husband, my wife, me, we were sitting at a table all together talking.
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You never, ever mention an opponent and their resources, because what you're doing is trying to keep people away from that stuff.
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And I don't know if Todd knows it or not, but false teachers are used by the enemy to keep sheep lost.
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And so whether he knows it or not, the reason that false teachers are like that is they are working out the enemy's agenda.
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And they're not to ever let sheep go investigate, because what's going to happen?
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John 10, they're going to hear the shepherd's voice in the truth of the gospel, and they're going to raise their eyes and go this.
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They're going to drink living water and they're gone.
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And then in our world, what do we do when we're not talking about camps or denominations in the world where we talk about the true gospel and we call false teachers out?
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We point them out and we tell sheep, hey, look out for the wolf.
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Then we show them the Bible, and then they go, oh, that totally makes sense.
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See, we're not afraid to – we're not insecure about pointing things out, because we know we're living in the truth.
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So whatever the reason, I chalk it up to the providence and sovereignty of God.
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Todd broke the rules, and I really believe this.
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I don't care if they hear my story, read the book, whatever.
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They are going to hear the true gospel, and then that's a moment where I believe there'll be an awakening for so many people.
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And then I just told Todd I love him, and I'm praying for him, and I really do hope he turns into like a Saul Paul.
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I know some people don't like that, and they're like, whatever, he'll never preach.
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Remember, the qualifications for a preacher, pastor, or other are post-conversion.
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If we all were unqualified because what we did before we were saved, nobody could be a pastor.
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So we do pray that Todd would get saved, his eyes are open, and then boom, come back after a season of restoration and learning and growing and explode for the glory of God.
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Because we'll all meet Jesus one day, and that's a big deal.
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Okay, I want to talk to you about one more thing briefly, even though we're a little over time because we said we were going to talk about it, and I know people would love to hear your take on it.
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There's been kind of a series of deconversions lately, it seems like, this kind of doubt is virtue trend that's been going on.
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I talked about it a little bit on Friday's episode, but from a pastor's perspective, and probably from the perspective of someone I'm just assuming has maybe seen people go down this road of all of a sudden asking these questions and saying, you know what, I just don't believe anymore.
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What are your thoughts on that, and maybe what's your encouragement to people who are finding themselves on the precipice of that position?
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The heart of us loving people and wanting to see them saved, and then still not negating the truth of God's Word.
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Here, first, let's start with kind of hard truth, and then let's be more tender with how we should respond.
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Jesus shared the parable of the soils in Matthew 13.
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Those are not the four stages of the Christian life.
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Like, some of us are a little hard, and some of us are just baby Christians, rocky soil, and some of us are wrestling with temptation, like the thorns, and then some of us are just thriving with a good soil.
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There are those who appear saved, and they sprout up quick, but the bedrock is there.
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And then you've got people that actually grow up for years.
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They were with us, and guys like the Hawk Nelson guy and others, these deconversions, and they grow up.
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And then what Jesus says is the parasmos in the Greek, the temptations, riches, cares of this world, the worries, the questions, all of it start to choke out what was growing.
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But the good soil, so if you're not the good soil, you're actually, that's not, that wouldn't be Christian.
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And so Jesus said that's the way it's going to be.
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However, we should be, and I want you all to be, and I am too, heartbroken when those moments happen.
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We're not like, oh yeah, Jesus said it would happen, whatever, so get over it.
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1 John 2, 19, John says they went out from among us.
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And there were all these people in the context of 1 John running around saying, oh, we're Christians.
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They were confessing Christ, and hey, we're good.
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And then they sinned and did whatever they wanted.
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It was what is called antinomianism, right, where they just go, whatever.
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And John's going, no, you have to walk in love, obedience.
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You can't practice sin, which doesn't mean you can't sin.
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Practice meaning habitual, ongoing, I'm just going to sin and do whatever I want.
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He said, you can't live that way in unrepentant sin and actually be a Christian.
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So there's these people that are going to be with us for years and years and then end up
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Jesus says there'll even be people who come to him one day, and he's going to be judging
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and weighing everything, and they're going to say, Lord, Lord, I prophesied in your name,
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I don't even know you, you who practice lawlessness.
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So in other words, there are going to be people that even did amazing things, and they'll say,
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And he's like the guy that's going, yeah, I don't know you.
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And so really important for us to be able to quantify what a true salvation or true conversion
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That's why sometimes I'll write articles, you know, the signs of conversion or the evidence
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of salvation doesn't mean that your works save you.
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But you are, so you're not saved by good works, but you're saved for good works.
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And so good works are the outworking of a believer and a true convert.
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So what happens when a guy like that goes through that?
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When the questions come up and why they be converted is, yeah, why would God allow evil?
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Those are questions that break my heart because when you're a pastor, you have those.
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Somebody didn't say, hold on, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Let's go visit our friend Job for a little while.
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But remember when he pushed a little too far and God says, oh, Job, I'm sorry.
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You who put the oceans where they are and set the boundary.
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You know, let's go and then let's put ourself in our place and let's go to Romans 8, 28.
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He causes all things to work together for good.
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And if he was a God that we could create and all fully understand, you know, he wouldn't
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And so really important to understand who God is and what a real Christian is and what
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I know I'm soapbox and I'm preaching because this stuff fires me up because souls are on
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This is why, Allie, I think you and I, this is why all of us are so up in arms over biblical
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literacy, faithfulness to the word, and then faithfulness in our churches.
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Because for 30 or 40 years, the church entertained us, they played us music, they had smoke machines
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and laser lights and nothing wrong with cool productions.
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But where the youth ministry was chubby bunny and camping trips to the lake.
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And we wonder why the kids grow up and go, yeah, I don't believe in God because you never
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So my heart breaks for him, but the story's not done yet.
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But we got to remember what the Bible teaches and be humble before who God is.
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Will you tell everyone quickly about your book, where they can get your awesome book, where
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they can find you if you want them to follow you or anything like that?
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Yeah, the book is called God, Greed and the Prosperity Gospel.
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And then ChristianBook.com, Barnes, kind of everywhere.
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If you just type it in, God, Greed and the Prosperity Gospel, it'll come up.
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And then I'm on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, all that.
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So you live in the Valley and you don't have a church.
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I highly encourage people to check out that book.
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It would be great for your friends, people who are maybe in the Prosperity Gospel and
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I always say that a really good way, a lot of people ask me, how do I talk to my friend
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You know, I feel like she's wrong theologically here.
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I'm like, a really great and maybe soft way to do it is to present someone else's work
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on the subject matter and then have a conversation about it so that person feels like they're
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more engaging with the material and the subject rather than just being kind of preached
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So I highly encourage people to do that with Kosti's book.
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And Kosti, thank you so much for taking the time to join me.
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This was a wonderful conversation and I know it's going to edify a lot of people.