Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 262 ｜ Trump 2020 & the Real Reasons for the Riots

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. So we have a very fun, different, exciting show for you

00:00:14.060 today. I am first going to be talking to Laura Trump, and we are going to be talking about

00:00:20.680 President Trump and his presidency and his campaign and his leadership over the past

00:00:25.220 few months. And she is going to talk about the accomplishments that he has done and, of course,

00:00:31.880 kind of make a pitch to you for why he is our best bet in November. And I'm also going to be

00:00:37.100 talking to Charlie Kirk. He has been a big advocate of the president and a big supporter of the

00:00:41.960 president. And we are going to ask them questions about everything that's going on right now

00:00:45.920 and how we should be looking at how President Trump has handled these multiple crises over the past

00:00:52.660 few months. Okay, without further ado, here is Laura Trump. Laura, thank you so much for joining me.

00:00:59.320 Oh, you got it. Great to be with you. So the rallies are about to start up for the president. Do you

00:01:05.420 think that America is ready for that kind of enthusiasm and excitement with everything that's

00:01:10.560 going on right now? I think we're desperate for that kind of enthusiasm and excitement. I mean,

00:01:15.920 if anyone has ever been to a Trump rally, it's just filled with such positivity, such great spirit,

00:01:21.520 love for America. So I mean, I can't think of a better time to get everybody together to

00:01:27.980 encourage people to love this country and come together as a community. We're so excited. I

00:01:34.860 think that the president probably more so than anyone has been so looking forward to getting

00:01:39.480 back to Trump rallies. So we're excited to start again and hopefully we'll be coming to a town near

00:01:44.780 you very, very soon. The country has been through a lot. I don't think any of us could have ever

00:01:50.480 anticipated or expected or planned for everything that we have been through since January. Can you

00:01:56.840 tell me from your perspective how President Trump has done in leading the country, a very divided

00:02:03.720 country through now multiple crises over a series of just a couple months?

00:02:09.580 Yeah, it's been quite a 2020. I don't think any of us saw this coming. Then I heard about murder

00:02:15.140 hornets and I was like, oh my God, like what, what are we doing? What's happening? It's always,

00:02:19.300 it's constant. Look, it's been a very challenging year for sure for so many Americans. I don't think

00:02:26.460 anyone has been untouched by what has happened in our country. So you start with coronavirus,

00:02:31.580 which in January, the same exact day that Nancy Pelosi was handing out her impeachment pens,

00:02:37.240 Donald Trump took the very bold step to stop travel coming from China to the United States.

00:02:42.660 That saved, Ali, countless numbers of lives. I mean, who knows how many Americans,

00:02:47.080 thousands and thousands of Americans arguably were saved by that step. Now, of course,

00:02:51.680 he was criticized immediately by the Democrats. Joe Biden said it was xenophobic and fear-mongering

00:02:56.200 to do such a thing. But thank God President Trump did that. Then he led us to the time where we had to

00:03:02.020 sort of shut down the country. We were listening to the experts. We were doing what everybody said we

00:03:06.620 should do. We flattened the curve out. And then you saw that we were on the way out of this.

00:03:11.340 We just got the new jobs report, two and a half million new jobs added to this country last month

00:03:17.400 when the experts predicted we were going to lose seven and a half million more. So, I mean, that's

00:03:22.460 huge. They got it wrong by 10 million jobs. That's pretty amazing. And just when that happened,

00:03:27.760 obviously, we had this terrible incident with George Floyd, which many people, I think,

00:03:33.460 would say sparked what has become protesting across the country, mostly peaceful, but sadly

00:03:40.360 has been hijacked by some very radical groups whose only goal is really to cause chaos and destruction.

00:03:47.700 And I think ultimately their goal is to try and divide the country. And look, the president has

00:03:53.400 been very clear on this from the very beginning. Donald Trump has said that we have to have law and

00:03:59.600 order in place. And sadly, you see that a lot of these cities that have been just completely

00:04:05.200 brutalized by the looting and the arson are all Democrat run cities. When Minneapolis said

00:04:11.920 to the police department, hey, get out of there. Don't really worry about our city anymore. I mean,

00:04:17.300 you saw that it took just hours for things to devolve to such a level that it was an unrecognizable

00:04:23.560 city in the United States of America, things on fire and being looted and people being attacked.

00:04:29.160 It was horrible. And so I think the president said, look, you need to get it together. And if you

00:04:35.240 can't, then I'll have to step in. He had the National Guard ready to go. And obviously,

00:04:40.280 some places utilize them. But I think overall, listen, he's done a great job. Who could ever

00:04:46.980 say that they want to be the president of the United States in such a crazy time?

00:04:51.820 But you got to give the guy a hand for, number one, setting up our economy so that we really

00:04:57.400 weren't as badly hit as we otherwise could have been. We've already seen the jobs coming back.

00:05:01.740 I think we're going to see the June jobs report even much higher than that. Hopefully,

00:05:06.240 it's like a V instead of sort of a curve up with the jobs. But on top of that, look, this president

00:05:13.080 has always been out there fighting for every single American. And what you have now in this country

00:05:19.300 is a lot of black Americans saying, listen, we don't feel like we've been treated fairly.

00:05:23.720 We still feel like there's injustice out there. Well, Donald Trump, from day one of his administration,

00:05:28.120 took that very seriously. He signed into law the First Step Act, the first comprehensive prison reform

00:05:33.520 in about 30 years in this country. It reversed the 1994 Clinton crime bill, which don't forget,

00:05:39.340 Joe Biden was a big supporter of that. It disproportionately incarcerated young black men in this country.

00:05:45.120 Donald Trump put forward opportunity zones and implemented those around the country,

00:05:49.860 $100 billion of investment in our poorest communities and the forgotten about communities

00:05:55.160 all across this country to revitalize them. And it was really taking hold and taking off,

00:05:59.960 sadly, when coronavirus hit. But that will still continue. You see that this president has given

00:06:05.320 more funding to HBCUs, historically black colleges and universities, than any president in history.

00:06:10.660 So while the Democrats and the folks on the left want to talk about how they've been trying to help

00:06:17.200 with race relations and level the playing field, Donald Trump has actually done it. He doesn't

00:06:22.060 need to talk about it. He's done it. Look, I think that we're going to come out of this. I think that

00:06:27.640 we do have several months until the election. And I think people are going to start to see why it's

00:06:33.140 so important to have a man like Donald Trump at the helm as you come out of coronavirus and as we want

00:06:38.480 to get things back to normal in this country. And I think people are waking up to the reality that

00:06:43.180 Donald Trump has been used as a scapegoat for the failings of the Democratic Party for a few years,

00:06:48.020 but especially over the past few months. I mean, we saw not only tragically that a lot of the cities

00:06:53.140 that were hit the hardest by coronavirus, not just because of the seriousness of the virus, but because

00:06:58.360 of incompetence in government leaders or democratic cities, some of the cities with the worst racial

00:07:04.960 tensions. And unfortunately, tragically, the worst police brutality and the worst relationship

00:07:09.760 between the police department and civilians are in Democratic-run cities. The most violent cities

00:07:15.740 are Democratic-run cities and have been run by Democrats for several years. And a lot of these

00:07:20.720 Democrats, a lot of these mayors and governors are turning around and saying, this is all Donald Trump's

00:07:25.820 fault. I hope and I pray and I do think that I see this happening, that there are a lot of people

00:07:31.980 waking up to that. I've even seen people and activists like Sean King, who is obviously on the

00:07:36.940 left, a big Bernie supporter, saying, hang on just a second. All of these cities that we are seeing so

00:07:42.740 much violence in right now and such horrible tensions in right now are run by Democrats top to

00:07:49.940 bottom. And so are you hopeful? I mean, not that we ever would want these tragic situations to happen

00:07:56.200 at all. But are you hopeful that people are going to kind of wake up to the fact that really Democrats

00:08:02.760 are just using Donald Trump as a distraction in a lot of ways from their own corruption and incompetence?

00:08:08.940 Yeah, it's pretty amazing, Hallie. Whenever you look at all of the things that they have accused Donald

00:08:14.060 Trump of over the years, it turns out in many cases the Democrats themselves are doing them. You look back

00:08:19.980 to Russia collusion, to the idea that the only way that Donald Trump and our campaign won the election

00:08:26.100 in 2016 was that we colluded with Russia. Well, now, as we're seeing all the reports coming out,

00:08:32.980 we're finding out more and more information that suggests that it wasn't obviously the Trump campaign.

00:08:38.580 We spent $30 million of taxpayer money in two years in the Mueller report to find that out.

00:08:42.720 It was actually the DNC and the Clinton campaign that had ties to Russia. So whenever you look back at

00:08:49.860 all of the things that they like to try and pin on Donald Trump, it turns out they're the ones

00:08:54.880 doing them. And I think people are waking up to it. I mean, we've already seen since Donald Trump was

00:09:00.960 elected movements like Blexit, like Walk Away, like the Exodus movement. These are really powerful

00:09:08.260 in this country because for so long, I think people were told, look, if you look a certain way,

00:09:14.380 if you're of a certain gender, if you're of a certain sexual orientation,

00:09:17.460 you can only vote for Democrats. And what people have very quickly realized is that Donald Trump

00:09:24.100 is standing up for all Americans. He's fighting for everybody shot at the American dream. The

00:09:29.000 American people have been lied to by the mainstream media. They have been basically like a marketing arm

00:09:34.660 for the DNC. And I think people are getting the picture now that what they've been told all along

00:09:41.640 about Donald Trump hasn't been accurate. And if they step back for a second and get out of the hysteria

00:09:47.040 of the mainstream media, and they look at what Donald Trump was actually able to do in this

00:09:52.180 country, they're realizing very, very quickly by the thousands and thousands of people, I think,

00:09:58.520 that Donald Trump has done a great job as our president, that he doesn't care what they say

00:10:02.820 about him out there in the media. He's fighting for the American people every single day.

00:10:06.800 And I think that's going to be reflected on November 3rd. The Democrats have overplayed their hand.

00:10:11.480 They do this all the time. They're doing it now. I just heard last night that they are trying to cancel

00:10:16.820 Paw Patrol. If you tell my two-and-a-half-year-old son that, he's going to totally lose it. But this is

00:10:22.860 the kind of culture that they've kind of pushed on the left. It's a cancel culture. It's if there's

00:10:28.700 anything that we slightly think could be a problem, just cancel it all. We're talking about a cartoon of

00:10:34.860 dogs that are policemen and firefighters. Are you guys crazy? Cancel Paw Patrol? I mean, I just think

00:10:41.260 people see this stuff, and they say, this is not the United States of America. We're not supposed to

00:10:45.620 just be canceling everything. So it's really going to be interesting to see the turnout on November 3rd.

00:10:51.900 Look, I still maintain Donald Trump is going to get a historic number of votes from Black Americans,

00:10:56.220 from Latino Americans, and from women as we head towards November 3rd. We'll have to wait and see.

00:11:01.300 Yeah, let's talk about women for just a second, because that's the vast majority of this audience.

00:11:05.740 Specifically, there are a lot of young working women, but also a lot of stay-at-home moms.

00:11:10.680 And that kind of suburban mom demographic is a demographic that Democrats have been gunning for

00:11:16.040 for a long time, specifically in this election. And if you were to make kind of a pitch, or if you were

00:11:21.520 just sitting down, you know, drinking coffee with one of these moms who was trying to decide who to

00:11:26.320 vote for in November, what would your pitch be for Donald Trump to her?

00:11:31.300 Well, look, Joe Biden has been in politics for four decades, and he really hasn't done

00:11:36.680 anything to help this country. Donald Trump has been in politics for three and a half years.

00:11:41.940 He's been in politics since the day he announced he was running for president of the United States.

00:11:46.960 And what he really has done in this country is historic. This is stuff that he's done in three

00:11:52.820 years in office that for two terms in office, most presidents couldn't dream of doing.

00:11:57.100 He revitalized and rebuilt our military. He has made sure that we are a safer country,

00:12:02.260 that we actually have meaningful borders in this country, that everybody, like I said a minute ago,

00:12:07.960 has their fair shot at the American dream. Because whenever you renegotiate bad trade deals,

00:12:13.520 whenever you give American companies a better shot at things, they're going to hire more employees.

00:12:18.580 I just, look, I know that there's this narrative out there that women don't support Donald Trump,

00:12:23.920 but you can't be a woman in this country and look around at what has happened over the past couple

00:12:28.580 of weeks. And you look at places like Seattle, where they literally have a zone where they have

00:12:34.420 these rogue people have kind of cordoned off this area, said we are not part of the United States

00:12:40.480 anymore. And the mayor is allowing this to happen. You see the violence again over the past two weeks

00:12:47.400 that we've seen happen in this country under the Democrats' control, as you pointed out, in most of

00:12:53.740 these cities. It is terrifying to me. I'm scared for my kids. And look, I am very lucky that I live in a nicer

00:13:03.200 area. It doesn't matter where you live. They could come to you. They could come to any area of this country.

00:13:08.620 And I think it scares a lot of young moms out there. I think it scares a lot of women.

00:13:12.840 I have friends who live in New York City, single women who live alone. This has been a scary time for them,

00:13:19.300 especially when you have talk of defunding police. If you could even imagine, Ali, how crazy it could get

00:13:26.520 in a matter of hours if you defunded the police and the law enforcement in this country. These are the ideas

00:13:33.360 on the left. And it's not the Democrat Party of 20 or 30 years ago. This is a very new, very radical Democrat Party.

00:13:41.520 They are standing up for the wrong things. They are pushing the wrong things, again,

00:13:45.900 like defunding police. And Donald Trump is standing up for your rights as an American. Donald Trump is

00:13:52.200 standing up and upholding the Constitution every day and saying, your rights mean something. Our

00:13:57.540 founding fathers had a vision for this country. And I want to make sure that every American gets their

00:14:02.640 freedoms in this country. And it feels to a lot of people like the Democrats want to just get rid of

00:14:07.860 the Constitution. Throw it out. Don't worry about it. It's really scary. And so there's so much

00:14:13.400 at stake right now. Look, I want to know that this country works for my kids whenever they get out of

00:14:19.680 school one day and want to get a job, because it was really challenging for me. I graduated from

00:14:23.580 college in 2005. The market was not good. The job market prospects were not very good. Donald Trump is

00:14:30.240 setting up our country now so that it doesn't just work for hopefully the eight years that he's in

00:14:35.460 office, but that it works in the long term. When you look at things like renegotiating the trade

00:14:39.840 deals with China, signing of the USMCA, these are going to be very impactful for a very, very long

00:14:45.060 time in this country. So while the Democrats like to bully people and suggest that if you don't post

00:14:51.340 certain things on your social media, you're a bad person, Donald Trump is actually enacting real

00:14:56.780 change in this country. And it's keeping this country safe. It's making us the envy of the world

00:15:01.760 again financially and job wise. And, you know, we have a man who is putting America first. That is

00:15:08.720 a great thing. We have a president who wants this country to win first and foremost, and that should

00:15:14.880 be something that we all champion. Yes. And what people need to realize is that at least a segment

00:15:20.060 of the Democratic Party, the far left segment of the Democratic Party that the rest of the party is

00:15:24.740 capitulating to, they want unrest. They want anarchy. They want you to be scared. They want you to be

00:15:30.520 uneasy. They want you to feel perpetually victimized because those are all of the arguments and the

00:15:36.060 foundations that they have built for the socialist revolution that they want. And so they don't want

00:15:42.360 you to feel secure. So they don't want law and order. They don't want you to feel economically stable

00:15:46.780 because economic instability and personal instability and insecurity, all of these things, they believe,

00:15:54.940 build the argument for the new society that the far left segment of the Democratic Party,

00:15:59.840 which is taking over the whole party, want. And so there is only one party. I'm not saying the

00:16:04.820 entire Republican Party is perfect. I think that your father-in-law would agree with that. But there

00:16:11.720 is one party who has an interest, has a personal vested interest in success, in security, in law,

00:16:18.740 in order, in ending this chaos. And women, I mean, people of all kinds, but women need to be able to

00:16:26.060 distinguish that. And it's not only that, it's also the issue for, I know a lot of people in my

00:16:30.900 audience is the issue of abortion and just how radical Democrats have become on that, that it

00:16:37.380 once was, you know, 20 years ago, safe, legal, and rare. Now it's through nine months on demand

00:16:43.060 without apology. And what I want women to remember is that there is exactly one party,

00:16:48.520 one presidential candidate who has ever said anything in the way or done anything in the way

00:16:53.420 of protecting those very vulnerable, unborn children who are included in the groups of

00:17:00.320 forgotten Americans that your father and his administration, or your father-in-law and his

00:17:04.620 administration represent. Yeah, you're exactly right. Look, this president, I think arguably has

00:17:10.580 been the most pro-life president in modern history. And look, he spoke at the March for Life. He's the

00:17:16.480 first president to ever do that. He took federal funding away from Planned Parenthood.

00:17:21.820 When you look, Ali, at what the Democrats, to your point, are trying to implement and the way they

00:17:29.700 feel about abortion, 40-week abortions. Are you guys kidding me? Anyone out there that is a mom

00:17:35.980 that has had gone into the doctor and seen whenever they do the ultrasound, the baby that lives inside

00:17:43.480 your body, that baby is alive. They are alive from like six, they're alive from the inception,

00:17:49.080 but at six weeks old, you can see a heartbeat. You're telling me that at 40 weeks, when a viable

00:17:54.940 pregnancy, when a baby is fully able to live outside of the body, we're gonna kill it? This is,

00:18:01.040 it's insanity. It doesn't get talked about enough. But thank God for President Trump, he stands up

00:18:06.940 for the rights of all American born and unborn, because guess what? They have a life too.

00:18:13.060 It's very scary, I think, to see that sort of thing as well for people out there, especially,

00:18:20.060 again, mothers who, you can't be changed, like not changed by that. Whenever you go in and you go to

00:18:27.300 the doctor for the first time, I remember the experience I had and my husband had too, and

00:18:32.200 it changes your life and it changes a lot of people's views on that. And thank God we have a

00:18:37.340 president that's standing up for that too.

00:18:38.840 Yep. And people say, you mentioned, you know, 40 weeks, people say, oh, well, you know, that never

00:18:43.080 happens. Well, we heard the governor of Virginia, Democratic governor of Virginia, Ralph Northam,

00:18:47.240 say that that's possible. You can go listen to the tape on that if you don't, if you and the audience

00:18:52.280 don't believe me. And if that never happened, then they wouldn't be trying so hard, especially in

00:18:57.140 places like New York or New Mexico or Illinois, to make sure that those kinds of abortions are legal.

00:19:02.440 If they never happen, then you shouldn't have any problem with making them illegal.

00:19:07.320 And there's another issue that I know a lot of people listening to this care about,

00:19:11.520 and that is the issue of religious liberty. They have seen over the past few months,

00:19:16.140 especially Democratic politicians, but even some Republicans saying church is not essential.

00:19:21.540 You can't gather, even if you're socially distancing, we do not trust churches to be able to make the

00:19:26.420 right decisions for their congregants. So you can't go, you can't go to church and worship freely

00:19:32.540 together. We might even put you in jail. We might fine you if you do that. And now we're watching

00:19:38.620 hundreds of thousands of people slam together without masks. And that apparently is essential.

00:19:44.920 But people exercising their First Amendment rights to worship their God freely, that apparently is not

00:19:52.220 essential. Can you tell me how President Trump has exemplified his appreciation and his desire to

00:20:00.320 protect that First Amendment right? Yeah, well, I think what you're talking about,

00:20:04.280 first of all, is the hypocrisy knows no limits, I think, on the left. And I want everybody to pay

00:20:10.200 very close attention here. Because if you wondered what the Democrats had in store, look at what they

00:20:15.880 did here. They told us for three plus months that you can't go to church, you can't go to work,

00:20:21.600 you have to lock everything down. They arrested people for trying to go to work. The woman that was in

00:20:27.420 Texas who tried to go to her hair salon so that she could literally make money to feed her children

00:20:33.240 got arrested. But then you have people out there, they flipped the script in about 24 hours and said,

00:20:38.860 wait a minute, we're going to let thousands of people out in the streets together. Like you just

00:20:43.160 said, Ali, no masks, no worry about it. We're all for the protests. Get out there and do it. Well,

00:20:49.080 what happened? You just arrested people for trying to go to work and do things safely,

00:20:53.620 like with a mask. Yet you're not even locking up the people that are setting fires to small

00:20:58.800 businesses, destroying people's lives. This president has been very, very clear that he

00:21:05.260 is standing up very strongly for your First Amendment rights and religious freedom across

00:21:09.740 this country. You see what has happened in so many of these schools. They're trying to take out,

00:21:14.400 take God totally out of everything. These are principles on which this country was founded.

00:21:19.080 And you know what? We should be standing up and saluting our flag and putting our hand over our

00:21:24.420 heart when we hear the national anthem. Those are our principal things that I think all Americans,

00:21:30.220 you know, it brings us together. I remember doing that in school. You say the Pledge of Allegiance,

00:21:34.520 stand up, put your hand over your heart. But President Trump has been looking out for

00:21:39.360 religious liberties and religious freedoms from day one of his administration. And it's so funny

00:21:44.200 because they try and characterize him as a guy that doesn't care, that doesn't really care about

00:21:49.620 religion or God. And they, of course, tried to hit him for going over to St. John's Church

00:21:54.040 with the Bible. That was a big problem for them. But I guess it wasn't a problem that somebody actually

00:21:59.280 tried to burn it down the night before. So the hypocrisy here is very clear to so many people.

00:22:06.300 But rest assured, Donald Trump is standing up for your freedom to practice your religion

00:22:11.800 in the United States of America, because you know what? It is our First Amendment right. And we've

00:22:16.620 got I mean, that is the foundation and principle of this country. Right. And I just want to clarify

00:22:20.800 that you and I both support the First Amendment right to peacefully protest as well. But what we're

00:22:25.760 pointing out, what we are pointing out is the hypocrisy of Democrats saying, well, you can't practice

00:22:30.360 one part of the First Amendment, which is worshiping freely. But you can absolutely practice another

00:22:35.680 part of the First Amendment, which is peacefully protesting and even not even just peacefully

00:22:40.360 protesting, but also rioting. So you can get in trouble for going to church, but not burning it

00:22:44.560 down. And I just hope people are able to see that dichotomy. Is there any just final words that you

00:22:49.420 can give everyone, any encouragement or anywhere you want to send them for more information?

00:22:54.900 Yeah, well, I would encourage everybody to tune in seven nights a week. We have what we call Team

00:22:59.200 Trump online. 8 p.m. You can find it across all of our social media platforms at the campaign.

00:23:05.180 On Wednesday Night's Alley, we started what we call The Right View. This is our take on,

00:23:10.880 you might have heard of the show The View. We didn't feel like those ladies necessarily

00:23:14.780 represented the views of all women in this country. So it's myself, Kimberly Guilfoyle,

00:23:19.720 Katrina Pearson, and Mercedes Schlapp. And every Wednesday night at 8 p.m., we have The Right View.

00:23:25.540 And look, I just want to tell everybody, we all at the end of the day need to remember, again,

00:23:29.700 we're all Americans, that we are all in this together, and we will see this through. We

00:23:34.440 overcome everything, every challenge that's put in front of us, and this will be no different.

00:23:39.460 Well, thank you so much, Laura, for taking the time to talk to us.

00:23:42.400 You got it. Thank you.

00:23:43.740 Thank you. Okay, guys, I hope that you enjoyed that conversation. Now I am going to talk to my

00:23:50.260 friend, Charlie Kirk. Charlie, thank you so much for joining me.

00:23:54.460 Thank you, Allie. Honored to be here.

00:23:56.020 So you've gotten into, which you are very used to, some controversial waters over the past couple

00:24:02.020 weeks or so, as all this stuff is going on around us, America, literally, literally burning to the

00:24:09.080 ground. And you've kind of shared what you think is an important counter-narrative about the facts

00:24:13.700 about police brutality and systemic racism. Can you kind of summarize some of the posts and videos

00:24:19.700 that you've been putting out that have caused such a stir?

00:24:22.120 Yeah. A stir, I guess, is something I'm used to at this point. I first say from the outset that

00:24:30.160 the death of George Floyd was a tragedy, and I hope the police officer is held to the fullest extent of

00:24:37.400 the law. And I've said that in every single video, and I will continue to say that. And I'm not

00:24:41.700 minimizing that, but I'm also trying to contribute to the conversation. Is this a trend? Is this

00:24:48.360 statistically happening at the rate at which the media is representing it? So I, early on,

00:24:54.260 started to talk about actually how police officers have saved hundreds of thousands of people's lives,

00:24:59.220 especially, let's just take about in New York City, for example. In the early 1990s, about 2,200

00:25:04.280 individuals, mostly Hispanic and black individuals, by the way, were dying every single year. 2,200

00:25:10.080 murders. Think about that, Allie. 2,200 people in the streets of New York. Mayor Giuliani does a full

00:25:14.940 offensive of hiring more police officers using data tracking, more innovative methods, and the

00:25:22.620 murders went down to 300 a year. So that's about 1,900 black and Hispanic individuals, year over

00:25:28.740 year, that were not being killed in the streets, thanks to policing measures. You multiply that over

00:25:33.640 a couple decades, and maybe they have children, they have grandchildren. You're talking about tens of

00:25:37.640 thousands of people that are living because of police officers just in New York City.

00:25:41.740 And so I was very disappointed about how quickly the national conversation went from an understandable

00:25:47.960 remembrance and kind of just conversation around what happened in that particular incident to just

00:25:54.500 indicting all of law enforcement. And so then I also got really upset when I started to see people that

00:25:59.440 I grew up with in the suburbs of Chicago who have benefited from police protection their entire life

00:26:04.220 all of a sudden post these black squares, and they have no understanding whatsoever of the movement

00:26:09.480 that is pushing that forward and the lie that America is systemically racist. And so I'm going

00:26:14.420 to say that today. I'm going to say it tomorrow. I'm never going to bow to the mob. And I will do that

00:26:19.080 also with acknowledging that George Floyd was murdered and that person should be held accountable.

00:26:25.300 I think you can do those things simultaneously without surrendering to the mob and paying your penance

00:26:32.160 to the group humiliation religion of the left.

00:26:34.520 But why is it that so many people seem to not be able to do that simultaneously? Why is it that if we

00:26:40.300 accept that it was an unjust death from what we know and from what we see, and that it was a tragedy,

00:26:45.880 that he was made in the image of God, and that in and of itself is enough to be sad about and to even

00:26:50.600 be outraged about? I was outraged when I saw the video and even asking questions, okay, does this happen a lot

00:26:56.920 in Minneapolis? Why is it that we can't take that critical approach and very serious approach? Why

00:27:02.220 does it have to turn into almost a cultural and political revolution is what we're seeing right now

00:27:08.180 with Christians, with even maybe some conservatives jumping on board? How did that happen?

00:27:13.760 Well, we lack courage and we lack clarity of thought. And I mean, you say it best, you have to ask yourself

00:27:18.940 the question, is this actually happening every single day? And so I go on social media and I see left-wing

00:27:24.480 activists, and I see activist members of our media saying that this is a epidemic. It's interesting

00:27:30.120 how they chose that word in this time in American history. But they say this is an epidemic. Unarmed

00:27:35.120 black men are being gunned down on the streets at record rates. And you look at the numbers.

00:27:38.920 I mean, the Washington Post data showed last year before they updated it in the last couple of weeks,

00:27:44.320 which is interesting, the last couple of weeks with the last week, which is interesting how they update

00:27:47.740 it as soon as people start using it. But originally they said 10 unarmed black men were killed in 2019.

00:27:53.520 And now they have said they've updated it and they've said that 15 unarmed black men died last

00:27:59.480 year. Now, understand, Ali, if you look at the definition of unarmed black men, it's very

00:28:04.940 questionable. OK, some of these people said they had weapons. Some of these people were grabbing for

00:28:08.780 the officer's weapon. Let's take it at face value. Let's say all 15 now were tragedies and were not

00:28:15.340 acceptable. OK, 385 million police interactions happen every single year in America. 385 million and 15

00:28:22.720 unarmed black men died. 52 police officers were killed last year in 2019. Twice as many black

00:28:28.580 police officers have died in the last two weeks than unarmed black men. David Dorn and Patrick

00:28:33.760 Underwood. Do you think Black Lives Matter activists know those two names? Do you think they know the

00:28:37.580 names of the 179 individuals that have been shot due to black on black crime in Chicago, Atlanta and

00:28:42.960 Philadelphia? So I think if we're serious about having this conversation about unjust death in America,

00:28:48.080 we can't allow an entire emotive quasi pathological conversation to hijack the American conversation,

00:28:55.540 hijack the entire narrative in our country. And I think it's very dangerous. And also,

00:29:00.260 it leads us to a place that does not create good public policy and divides the country unnecessarily.

00:29:04.940 Something I've been really sad about is seeing women and especially Christian women say that it is

00:29:10.180 callous to talk about those facts and to talk about the statistics or to bring up the side of the

00:29:15.140 police officers at all the good police officers because it is not showing proper compassion or

00:29:23.040 it's not showing enough sadness surrounding the tragedy. But what I want people to understand is

00:29:27.680 that you don't bring up statistics to say, oh, no bad people exist or no bad cops exist or we can't

00:29:33.060 talk about racism ever. It's because exactly what you said, if we allow narratives to go unchecked

00:29:39.440 without talking about statistics and facts, that's how people, especially on the left,

00:29:43.540 build public policy. They build public policies off of public narratives. And if that public

00:29:48.720 narrative is a lie, then you've got bad public policy that affects the lives of people. And we're

00:29:53.620 already seeing that in calls for abolishing the police. Who do you think is going to be affected

00:29:57.220 by abolishing the police? Not even primarily me and you, but women and children, disabled people,

00:30:02.360 elderly people in poor communities. Where's the compassion? Where are the activist groups for those

00:30:07.080 people?

00:30:07.380 Yeah, well said, Ali. And so it's going to the Ferguson, the Ferguson effect is going to happen,

00:30:12.880 which after Ferguson, Missouri, with the lie that was peddled by the media that they said Michael

00:30:17.940 Brown put his hands up and said, hands up, don't shoot. Never happened. Did not happen. It's been

00:30:22.160 proven through witness testimony and also through an autopsy that that did not happen. But still,

00:30:28.100 that lie became a narrative within the media. And the Ferguson effect in Ferguson, Missouri ensued,

00:30:33.800 which essentially is the police retreated. People said, we don't want the police fine.

00:30:37.660 Crime went up. Rapes went up. Violent arrest went up. Violent crime, I should say, went up.

00:30:43.100 Every every sort of category of crime went up imaginable. And so as a byproduct of that,

00:30:48.740 who who actually were the ones suffering? The people in black communities. And so that as soon

00:30:53.900 as this happened, Ali, I said, this is a bad day for black America. It's a bad day because now police

00:30:59.540 officers, which are, by the way, mostly minority, majority police forces are going to be saying,

00:31:03.320 we don't want the police here. We don't want the police in our communities, which and again,

00:31:07.840 the other I want to also kind of put a sidestep tangent on this because you and I are both

00:31:12.140 outspoken Christians and I've gone after these, you know, woke Christians that think that they

00:31:17.220 have stumbled into an issue that makes them seem correct, where you have these pastors with these

00:31:21.760 massive social media followings putting black squares. And so one in particular said, this is the

00:31:27.180 biggest this is the biggest epidemic happening in America right now. He used the word epidemic,

00:31:31.660 epidemic, which, again, such a bizarre use of language when you're actually going through an

00:31:35.180 epidemic. But and I've never seen him post once about how 300000 black babies are aborted every

00:31:41.800 single year. Not once. I mean, and that that is the absolute definition of the stripping of innocence

00:31:47.160 of those that can't defend themselves. That's the absolute definition of unarmed is the crisis of

00:31:52.320 abortion in the black community, where upwards of 40 percent of all the abortions in America are by

00:31:56.880 three percent of the population, which are infant bearing black women abortions way out there.

00:32:03.300 They are far outside of the proportion of population towards the black community and towards any other

00:32:07.960 community. And yet Black Lives Matter wants more abortions. In fact, they stand side by side with

00:32:13.100 Planned Parenthood. And so I think it's very important for Christians out there to understand

00:32:17.600 you could strike a healthy balance between acknowledging a tragedy, but also standing for truth.

00:32:22.460 There's nothing indelicate. There's nothing abrasive about lovingly and compassionately

00:32:28.200 articulating what is actually happening in the world around data, science and statistics. And I

00:32:34.380 think we need more Christians to do that. And our lack of willingness to engage in that kind of

00:32:38.100 discussion will be the downfall of our of our entire country. And a lack of discussion about any real

00:32:44.020 solutions people point to. And I think you actually did a response to a video that's been going around.

00:32:50.580 It's a very well made video about what systemic racism looks like, the inequalities and graduation

00:32:55.340 rates and how much wealth is being owned by white families versus black families. And that is that's

00:33:01.660 what a lot of people point to when they say, OK, America is systemically endemically racist and

00:33:06.900 there's nothing we can really do to change it. Well, what is what would you say some of the solutions

00:33:12.840 are if you don't want to point to systemic racism? You could still say those are problems that are

00:33:17.280 happening. What would you say that we could discuss as solutions to help minority communities?

00:33:24.000 Yeah. And we want to be really specific with our language. Right. So saying that there are problems

00:33:29.080 in the black community and then also saying it's not because of systemic racism, you could still say

00:33:33.300 those two things. And so, I mean, when you say that you don't believe in systemic racism, it doesn't

00:33:37.720 mean you're saying there are no problems in black America or that there's no racism anywhere ever.

00:33:43.320 Yeah. And so but there's also other reasons why maybe black America is not succeeding outside of

00:33:49.560 racism. In fact, I think it is so intellectually lazy to blame every single problem. And I think

00:33:56.260 it's it's so wrong and dangerous to say, well, every problem in the black community is because of

00:34:00.760 racism. So, for example, a black child that is raised by a mom and a dad has a higher likelihood

00:34:07.140 of succeeding than a white kid that is just raised by a single mother. So it's not systemic racism.

00:34:12.020 It's systemic fatherlessness. That's what's really happening in the black community. Seventy

00:34:16.340 seven percent of black children are born without a father in the home. And so if you take up until

00:34:22.120 where the welfare state came in, the Great Society program by Lyndon Baines Johnson, the fatherless

00:34:27.360 rate was about twenty two percent more or less in 1965. And so then post Great Society went

00:34:33.740 up to seventy five percent. So as America got less racist, black fathers got removed from the

00:34:39.600 home. And so let's pretend for a second that the the casualty and the unspeakable byproduct

00:34:46.160 of segregation, Democrat policies of Jim Crow and slavery was twenty two percent fatherlessness.

00:34:52.080 Let's just accept that. OK, then how did it go from twenty two percent to seventy five percent

00:34:56.560 as America got less racist? Blacks got into political office. We elect a black president,

00:35:01.480 have a black attorney general. Blacks end up, you know, basically four thousand black individuals

00:35:05.960 run for public office and win. How is it that we got less racist in every single aspect imaginable?

00:35:11.560 We had the first black billionaire, the black CEOs. OK, all those things. How did the black

00:35:16.600 fatherlessness rate go up? It's because we subsidize fatherlessness. We actually send checks

00:35:21.320 to mothers to have children and not get married. And that's the Great Society program. And so I'm a big

00:35:27.160 believer in rebuilding the family. And if anyone out there still supports Black Lives Matter,

00:35:31.240 the movement, Ali, you go to blacklivesmatter.com, you know what it says right there? They says and I

00:35:36.080 could read it right here. We want to disrupt the Western prescribed nuclear family. Right.

00:35:42.520 That's that's their goal. They want less fathers. Right. They want less built families. Also,

00:35:48.500 if you keep reading that, they will say, you know, to the extent that mothers and parents are

00:35:53.740 comfortable, they will never say fathers on their website. They'll talk about families. They talk about

00:35:57.740 mothers. They'll say parents. They will not say fathers when that is the biggest issue that

00:36:02.460 that is in in all communities. Like you said, the rate is disproportionately, unfortunately,

00:36:06.860 high in the black community. But fatherlessness affects individuals negatively, no matter what

00:36:12.760 the color of your skin is. I mean, that's just data. You have a higher rate of not your have a lower

00:36:18.140 likelihood of graduating from high school, higher rates of depression, of suicide, of teen pregnancy,

00:36:22.080 of teen being a juvenile delinquent. And then, you know, incarceration, all of these things that

00:36:28.540 are very cyclical in nature can be attributed, maybe not solely, but largely to fatherlessness.

00:36:36.120 But we don't want to have that conversation. It seems like too many people aren't ready to have

00:36:40.040 that conversation. Instead, we have very nebulous, unspecific, unsolved conversations about systemic

00:36:46.080 racism. And unfortunately, so many in the church are aiding and abetting a counterproductive

00:36:50.960 conversation about this. That's right. And I do not see the church through any of their

00:36:56.300 advocacy. Generally, some pastors are great. And I call I mentioned them in my videos that I know

00:37:00.960 personally that I've come across that have courage. Rob McCoy, Jack Hibbs and Jerry Follow Jr. from

00:37:05.640 Liberty. Obviously, I'm sporting the gear there. There's a couple that are out there in the Christian

00:37:09.300 world that stand for truth and have courage. But if the church was serious about solving these

00:37:14.140 problems, there's three there's three policy prescriptions that Black Lives Matter opposes that would

00:37:19.160 assuredly improve the black community. Number one, school choice for black kids. Break up the

00:37:24.060 Democrat controlled teacher union cartel and allow parents and families to use tax dollars to go to

00:37:29.900 functioning schools, parochial schools, charter schools, school choice for black kids. Five words

00:37:34.140 that could change America for the better. Number two, fatherlessness, whatever it takes, whatever policy

00:37:39.380 has proven to get fathers back in the home. So this has created weak and honestly feckless and

00:37:46.180 spineless men that think they can impregnate women and abdicate their responsibility. And it has create

00:37:52.320 overburdened, heroic single mothers that are not able to. I shouldn't say not able. That's not fair. But

00:38:00.260 the data shows it is less likely for them to be able to build a family with children that are going to be

00:38:07.200 able to succeed at the same levels as a nuclear family. I think that's a better and fairer way to say it.

00:38:11.440 The third thing that Black Lives Matter opposes is more police. And this is just something they want

00:38:17.160 to abolish the police. But we need more police. Now, if you want those police to be mostly minority

00:38:21.740 members, that's fine. I think that's actually a fair thing that if you want the black police force

00:38:27.120 in the black community to be mostly black, fine. But that's not a reason to abolish the police.

00:38:32.520 Right. So what went from a maybe a meaningful conversation alley where I could have sympathized a

00:38:36.340 little bit of, OK, more body cams and maybe get rid of chokeholds. OK, maybe I could all of a sudden

00:38:42.180 like, oh, let's get rid of the entire police force like that is insane. And I will stand up against

00:38:48.140 that. And anyone who dares by like corporate America, the churches, they're standing next to

00:38:52.360 this stuff. Right. And for these churches, who are you going to call if someone comes after your I mean,

00:38:58.120 your church? You're I mean, obviously not the police. So I think that it's a it's an outrageous

00:39:04.600 conversation. I think that we're seeing that it unfortunately, very tragically, has gotten

00:39:08.460 detached from being angry about the incident with George Floyd to becoming a cultural and

00:39:13.780 political and social revolution. That is it's established on this faulty idea that we know

00:39:19.440 as Christians is not true about human nature, that humans are inherently noble. And if you take away

00:39:25.580 their oppressors, so social oppressors like the police, then they'll make good decisions and

00:39:30.280 criminals won't commit crimes anymore. They don't believe that people do evil things simply for

00:39:34.480 the sake of evil. They believe that most people commit crimes based on some unmet need. It's

00:39:39.540 like this Rousseau idea of human nature. But leftists always get human nature wrong. They

00:39:47.580 always do. It's part of why communism never works, because human nature wants to own property,

00:39:52.600 wants to produce. It understands supply and demand. And we're seeing that again with the abolition

00:39:57.580 of the police, or at least that movement, the idea that crime is just going to stop.

00:40:01.700 Um, I want to ask you quickly, how you think Donald Trump has led through this crisis and

00:40:09.280 really these crises over the past few months? Yeah, it's been a very difficult hand he's been

00:40:14.180 dealt. And I think he has a great opportunity right now. I think he's done great. And I think

00:40:17.300 he has a great opportunity. He's got to play offense. And he's at his best when he's playing

00:40:21.200 offense and making the left compete on his terms. And so I think he should do the greatest rollout of

00:40:27.120 educational choice in American history, a Marshall plan. Uh, since we're into the business now of

00:40:31.840 spending trillions of dollars, we don't have, how about he does a 50 to a hundred billion dollar

00:40:35.720 plan for educational choice in our inner cities to put the truck, to put charter schools and private

00:40:40.360 schools and homeschooling back in the forefront of the American conversation and say, Hey, if you go to

00:40:46.400 one of the 13 Baltimore schools that are basically all black, where they can't find one kid that can read

00:40:51.460 or do math at grade level, you're allowed to leave that school and go to a private school with that

00:40:56.220 money. That would be so unbelievably popular alley. Number two is a serious conversation about black

00:41:01.820 fatherlessness. And then I think he has to, in my opinion, I think he has to sign the insurrection

00:41:06.540 act and go up against these white armed liberals that have decided to try to occupy the streets of

00:41:10.720 Seattle and Portland. This is a civil war action that they are putting. And I mean, I'm not saying that

00:41:16.580 lightly. If you take over the streets of America and you think you can self-police, that is the role of the

00:41:21.180 federal government to come in if the states cannot handle themselves. And Jay Inslee has literally

00:41:26.220 said he doesn't even know about it. It is the textbook definition of insurrection. And so I

00:41:30.460 believe that has to be stopped instantaneously. Yeah. How do you think he's done so far? Do you

00:41:35.740 think that he's been pretty good on rhetoric and the decisions that he's made, not just in this,

00:41:41.400 but also through coronavirus? Yeah, I think he's done well. And it's important to realize that the

00:41:47.060 media will never cover what he has done fairly. He handled the virus, I think, tremendously well from

00:41:53.900 a supply chain issue standpoint. And I think correctly calling out the Chinese. He left

00:41:58.600 these lockdowns to the states, as evidenced by how South Dakota correctly handled the lockdown.

00:42:05.100 I was never pro-lockdown. I was a skeptic towards lockdowns. And the president allowed the states to do

00:42:10.040 it. He offered guidelines. He said, hey, I believe in federalism. And when I say I was not lockdown,

00:42:15.260 I was not mass draconian lockdown advocate. OK, I understand that certain areas should have been

00:42:20.940 shielded. But Ali, if we're serious about it, 60 percent of coronavirus deaths were in New York

00:42:26.280 City, somewhere around 45 to 50 percent were nursing homes. This was a highly specific virus

00:42:32.240 that did not mostly impact young people. And we shut down schools and we had more people die of

00:42:36.340 suicides than of the coronavirus in California. And so I think that it would be a mistake not to

00:42:43.180 self-analyze and self-reflect. Were these lockdowns actually a good decision? And it is of my

00:42:49.160 conjecture that it was a mistake to do it to the extent that we did in a lot of these states.

00:42:53.500 And I do not I do not place that at the feet of the president because he allowed the states to

00:42:58.160 operate however they saw fit. Are you feeling optimistic about President Trump in November?

00:43:03.540 Yes, there's still there's still a lot of uncertainty. And look, I'm not the type of person

00:43:09.160 that thinks we're going to win no matter what. I always like to play like we're 10 points down.

00:43:13.200 But I also see that the left has a bloodthirstiness to them that I've never seen before, to be honest

00:43:18.340 with you. It seems like they want this more than anything they've ever wanted in the history of my

00:43:23.780 time doing politics. Right. They're willing to push the boundaries of civil discussion.

00:43:27.900 They're willing to cancel people, get extremely violent, as we have seen. And so I think that we as

00:43:33.400 conservatives have to almost regroup and regather and find the kind of discussion, the dividing lines

00:43:39.500 that we want to set the rules of engagement. I think some of that is naturally happening,

00:43:44.520 but I'm cautiously optimistic. Let's put it that way going into November.

00:43:48.460 I think the dichotomy has never been more clear between the right and the left. And, you know,

00:43:52.260 I have my own problems with the Republican Party. Certainly don't think every Republican

00:43:56.200 politician is perfect by any means. But right now you have one party that is for insurrection,

00:44:03.860 that is for abortion through 40 weeks of pregnancy, that is not for any kind of law and order, not for

00:44:09.780 any kind of border policy, not for anything that has made this country orderly and successful and

00:44:16.440 moral and good. And then you have another party and all of their imperfection that cares about the

00:44:21.740 things that Christians care about, that cares about security, that cares about law and order,

00:44:25.960 that cares about sovereignty of the nation, that cares about religious liberty and free speech and

00:44:31.780 all of the things that Christians should care about and have helped make this country great.

00:44:36.780 And if there are things in which we can meet in the middle between Republicans and Democrats,

00:44:40.600 problems we want to solve together, I think that's wonderful and great. But right now it's hard to

00:44:45.620 find any common ground when the two parties are so far apart. I completely agree. And that saddens me,

00:44:52.580 but we have to recognize that, Allie. And I mean, when you have people, you have an entire party that

00:44:58.040 supports post-birth abortion, that even supports third term abortion, that supports open borders and

00:45:05.000 is okay with the rioters and the anarchists. I do honestly ask the question, at what point are we

00:45:09.800 going to agree on anything? I know that sounds sad, but it's just, it's a true indication of what's

00:45:15.340 happening. I am a very vocal supporter of the president. And I'm also, you know, a very vocal

00:45:20.960 supporter of the policies he's putting in place, especially for life and for faith and for freedom

00:45:25.300 and for individual initiative. And, and look, I think that it's a very important moment for us to

00:45:31.520 recognize the philosophical differences. And you, you mentioned it, it's so brilliant, Allie, where you

00:45:37.000 said, now we're going to have a discussion on original sin. Like, do you believe in original sin or not?

00:45:42.160 That's basically the conversation, which interestingly enough is actually a healthier

00:45:46.280 conversation to have than high taxes or low taxes. It's actually a, yeah, it's the, probably the most

00:45:54.380 important philosophical conversation you can have around humanity. Are we good by nature or not?

00:45:59.960 Right. And I actually always start my campus talks that way. And I'm glad that we're going to have the

00:46:04.240 left admit that they think human beings are great and everything around us makes us impure. I think

00:46:09.140 anyone who has studied human history knows that not to be true. Right.

00:46:12.160 And we're already seeing that in the Seattle autonomous zone or whatever it's called. They're

00:46:15.820 already having to police their own people. Utopias don't work, but thank you so much for

00:46:20.760 joining me. I really appreciate you taking the time. And if there's anywhere you want to send people

00:46:24.840 any website or resources, let, let them know.

00:46:28.200 Yeah. Check out the Charlie Kirk show. If you guys want to type it in, hit subscribe and

00:46:32.920 check out Liberty university. We're in the, we're in the gear fall Kirk center for faith and

00:46:37.500 Liberty and just God bless our great country. Thanks so much.

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Ep 262 ｜ Trump 2020 & the Real Reasons for the Riots ｜ Guests： Lara Trump & Charlie Kirk

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