Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 288 ｜ Are Pro-Lifers Just Pro-Birth？

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Friday. I hope everyone has had a great week and that

00:00:17.980 you are looking forward to the weekend. So we're going to talk about a wide range of

00:00:23.700 things today because I took a lot of questions from you guys via Instagram. So we're going

00:00:28.300 to talk a little bit about Kamala. We're going to talk a little bit about some other cultural

00:00:32.480 things that are going on and answer a lot of the questions that you guys sent. As always,

00:00:37.640 I just don't have time to get to every single question and all of them are very interesting

00:00:42.120 and good questions to answer. But I tend to sometimes go on this like side rant that makes

00:00:49.540 these Q&A episodes go really long and then I am unable to answer all of the questions that I want

00:00:56.040 to answer. So thank you to all of you who sent me questions. If I didn't answer your question

00:00:59.960 or if I'm not going to today, then trust me, it's not personal and you probably had an awesome

00:01:05.060 question. But I'm really excited to get into all of that. Today, if you are someone who listens to

00:01:12.080 the Unashamed podcast with Jace, Al, and Phil Robertson, then I'm going to be on that podcast

00:01:19.060 today, Friday, August 14th. I think that's today. And so go listen to that. It was a great conversation.

00:01:25.100 As you guys know, they're just great guys. I love how clearly they present the gospel

00:01:29.640 and how seriously they take the word of God and they're just so funny and lighthearted

00:01:33.680 and they're just a joy to be around at least virtually. I also had Phil Robertson on my podcast

00:01:39.000 last year when I was pregnant. And there's a really funny story that he tells on air about that moment

00:01:48.960 and about when we met that you'll have to listen to. But definitely go listen to that conversation

00:01:53.520 that is out today. We're talking about my book, You're Not Enough and That's Okay,

00:01:58.340 Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love. Now, most of you listening have already bought the book.

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00:02:37.400 Monday, what I'm going to do is give you as thorough as I can of an analysis of what a Biden-Harris

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00:02:55.480 want it to be as kind of thorough and as fair as possible. Obviously, you guys know that I could

00:03:00.760 never vote for Biden or Kamala because they are so rapidly pro-abortion and everything else they

00:03:05.840 stand for stands contradictory to what I believe in. But I truly do want to give you a fair and a

00:03:11.640 thorough assessment so you can do your own analysis and your own research. But other days,

00:03:16.400 we won't talk about politics at all. Other days, we might take a verse of the Bible that is

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00:03:25.900 here's what this verse actually says. Here's what it actually means. And here's why we read the Bible

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00:03:52.440 is what you can expect. I'm so glad that you are here at Relatable. And thank you so much to everyone

00:03:56.940 who has gone out and bought my book and shared about it on social media, quoted it, and all of that

00:04:01.840 encouraged me, sent me kind messages and emails. You guys just mean so much to me. It has been a

00:04:07.060 wonderful launch week. And if you haven't, you can go to allibethstucky.com book. That's where you

00:04:12.700 can find the book. If you've just been like thinking, do I really want this book? Do I want

00:04:16.400 to spend my money on it? Yes, you do. It is worth it, girl. It is worth it. And if you're not a girl,

00:04:22.340 you should buy it for a girl because there's just a lot. There's a lot in here. And I feel like I can

00:04:26.960 say that because I gain wisdom from people who are a lot smarter than me as well in order to write

00:04:31.900 this book and break down a lot of the disastrous myths that unfortunately young women are buying

00:04:38.480 into. If you're a woman, as I have said many times, please join Women's Book Club with Allie

00:04:43.900 Stuckey on Facebook. Now I've got almost 500 requests that I am trying to work through and

00:04:50.640 trying to approve them. I can't approve all of them at once because you get some weird guys who

00:04:56.320 are trying to join Women's Book Club with Allie Stuckey. And if I approve all, you're going to

00:05:01.660 get the creepers in there. And this is Women's Book Club with Allie Stuckey is a creep free place.

00:05:06.740 Okay. And so in order to keep it a creep free place, I have to thoroughly go through each person

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00:05:36.840 of times people who don't answer the questions, they're just kind of trolls and they want to see

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00:06:33.600 Love you guys so much. Thank you for all the support and encouragement. And now I am going to

00:06:38.100 answer some of the questions that you guys have sent me. Okay. So I love relationship questions. Now,

00:06:45.460 this obviously isn't a political question. I just told you, we talk about politics and theology

00:06:49.840 and culture and all that. And this, I guess, is culture, but it's also a personal question.

00:06:53.680 Someone asked me, do you think dating in high school is a good idea? I dated in high school,

00:07:00.360 probably starting at 15 or 16. And they were pretty fruitless relationships, I would say. Now,

00:07:08.680 do you learn things about yourself and other people? Do you learn how to communicate? Do you learn how to

00:07:13.540 set boundaries and all of that? If you date in high school, sure. But in general, high schoolers

00:07:21.280 simply have not developed the maturity necessary to have healthier relationships. Again, in general,

00:07:28.220 that might not be true. You could be listening to this and you married your high school sweetheart

00:07:33.680 that you've been dating since you were 13 and it was all well and good. You always had a great,

00:07:38.260 healthier relationship. So I understand that there are exceptions, but in general, how God created,

00:07:43.540 people is that we just don't have our frontal lobe developed before we are 25 actually. But

00:07:50.440 especially in high school, you are highly emotional. You are highly hormonal. You think

00:07:57.320 that you're invincible and you just don't think through consequences very well and you are very

00:08:03.860 selfish. Now, some of this is natural, like I said, how God made us. But of course, centuries ago,

00:08:08.540 it was not the case for people to wait until they're 25 or 30 to get married. People did.

00:08:13.400 They didn't date, but they got married when they were a teenager. So some of it, yes, I think

00:08:17.520 is natural that we're immature at that age, but it's also cultural. The fact of the matter is,

00:08:21.640 is that our culture, especially in the West, prolonged adolescence way too long. And so we don't start,

00:08:28.440 quote, adulting. That's the term until we're like, you know, 30 years old. Some people,

00:08:33.260 they don't want responsibility. They don't want marriage. They don't want kids until they are

00:08:38.820 very late in life because they don't want to do things that they don't want to do. That's

00:08:42.320 obviously not the case for a lot of people who are single when they're 35. But there are people

00:08:46.300 who defer sacrifice, who defer that kind of responsibility, who defer commitment for as

00:08:50.840 long as possible because they don't want the inconvenience and they want to continue to be the

00:08:56.520 center of their own universe. Our culture glorifies that. Of course, I talk about that in my book

00:09:00.420 a lot. But this prolonging of immaturity, this prolonging of juvenility of adolescence,

00:09:08.780 unfortunately, it glorifies selfishness and that does not lead to great relationships typically

00:09:19.240 when you are on the younger end of that. So when you are a teenager, I personally,

00:09:25.180 if I could go back and change things, I would not have started dating until I was ready to find my

00:09:32.580 future husband. So that means that I don't hate or I don't regret all of the relationships that I

00:09:38.660 ever had before I got married. But I think it is much better. You are safeguarding your heart and

00:09:46.940 your obedience to God, your holiness. If you wait to start seriously dating people until you are actually

00:09:55.700 ready to find a husband or wife and get married. And so typically that is in your 20s. Sometimes that's in

00:10:04.280 college. Sometimes that's right after college. I don't recommend if you can help it. And I understand a lot of

00:10:10.340 people can't if you can help it. I don't recommend putting off marriage forever and ever or even dating

00:10:16.380 the same person, you know, for 10 years without getting married. If circumstances allow you to get

00:10:23.260 married, if you are able to get married, if you know the person that you want to marry, then I encourage

00:10:28.880 you, as I do in my book, to go ahead and make that commitment. There are so many things that you can

00:10:34.460 figure out together that really can't be figured out when you are dating or even when you are engaged.

00:10:41.660 And look, I understand there are a million different circumstances that people have that might be

00:10:45.600 preventing them from actually getting married even though they want to right now. So I'm just speaking

00:10:52.020 to the people. If you can get married, if you have the opportunity to, if the circumstances are at all

00:10:58.760 making that possible, then go ahead and make that commitment to the person that you are ready to

00:11:04.320 enter a covenant into with for the rest of your life and to unconditionally love them and to

00:11:12.640 sacrifice for them and vice versa. But if you're in high school, probably not ready to do that yet.

00:11:19.600 Circumstances probably not allowing you to do that. I encourage you to build friendships, to focus on

00:11:24.200 your relationship with the Lord, focus on gaining wisdom, focus on obeying God and to cultivating

00:11:32.880 your relationship with Him and spending your energy in the ministries, in the friendships that He has

00:11:39.500 called you to invest your energy in. There will be so much time for dating, so much time for relationships,

00:11:47.560 so much time for marriage, and all those things are so wonderful. But I personally believe that

00:11:53.580 you know, in high school, for most people, it's probably just not, it's not the best thing to do.

00:12:11.200 Okay, someone asks, how can we prove to our friends and neighbors that we are more than just

00:12:17.580 pro-birth? So this is an accusation that pro-lifers get leveled against us all the time, that you're just

00:12:25.400 pro-birth. You're not really pro-lifer. You're just pro-fetus. You don't care about the baby after

00:12:31.020 they're born when nothing could be further from the truth. Unfortunately, the people who level this

00:12:35.080 kind of insane accusation, they don't really care about the data that proves the contrary,

00:12:43.760 that if you look at every pregnancy center, every pro-life pregnancy center, every ministry that

00:12:49.900 helps women who are pregnant, women in crisis, women in babies, every organization that offers

00:12:56.800 free resources, free parenting classes, affordable clothing, affordable baby items, and things like

00:13:06.080 that. The organizations that are helping young pregnant women get out of domestic abuse situations.

00:13:12.280 These are all pro-life, the vast majority Christian organizations. And so this idea that we are

00:13:19.800 only pro-birth, that we just say, okay, please keep your baby. And then we don't care about you after

00:13:25.080 that could not be further from the truth. And people say, you know, the church needs to do more to step up

00:13:31.320 for these women. Do you know factually that the church isn't? Like, I don't see evidence of that.

00:13:36.600 Honestly, I think in general, the church, the true church of Jesus Christ has done an excellent job

00:13:43.940 of ministering to women in crisis, not just helping them see that the life inside their womb is sacred,

00:13:49.460 that God has a purpose for their life, a purpose for their baby's life, but that they are loved,

00:13:54.900 they are valued, they are cared for, and that we are going to be with them every step of the way.

00:13:59.860 I mean, you guys know who have listened to this podcast for a long time. I did a couple of online

00:14:05.460 baby registries through two pregnancy centers, one in Texas and one in Louisiana. And all I did was

00:14:13.280 post on the internet, say, hey, donate some items through an Amazon baby registry, and it'll go to

00:14:19.880 moms in crisis through these pregnancy centers. Both of those centers received thousands and thousands

00:14:26.780 of boxes because of the generosity of pro-lifers. I guarantee you, the people who were donating

00:14:33.860 all of those items to women in crisis, you are taking money out of your wallet, your hard-earned

00:14:39.020 paycheck, and you are voluntarily giving your money, giving your resources to people who don't have

00:14:44.920 those things, to people who need it. I guarantee you, every single person who placed an order through

00:14:50.080 that baby registry, through those baby registries, were pro-lifers. Probably the majority of them,

00:14:55.720 Christian pro-lifers. And so this idea that we are pro-birth, there's no evidence that we are only

00:15:03.680 pro-birth. We believe in loving the mom, in caring for the mom, and we believe in loving and caring

00:15:11.680 for the baby. The only people who take a side, the only people who choose which one we are going to

00:15:17.960 care about are pro-choicers, are pro-abortion people. Those are the only people who say, well, we are only

00:15:24.220 going to try to love, if you could even call it that, or we're only going to focus on, or we're

00:15:29.040 only even going to acknowledge the humanity of one of the two people in this situation. In fact,

00:15:35.080 they don't even say that the life inside the womb is a human being. And the thought of loving a baby

00:15:41.200 inside the womb is almost disgusting to a lot of pro-choicers, and I'm not exaggerating that.

00:15:46.260 It is almost gross reprehensible. They get angry when you talk about the personhood,

00:15:51.260 or just the scientific humanity of a baby inside the womb. If you go to PlannedParenthood.com or any

00:15:57.000 pro-abortion website and you look at the description of abortion procedures, sometimes the description

00:16:05.740 will say fetus, but most of the time it says pregnancy tissue. So what they are trying to do

00:16:11.640 so hard is to dehumanize life inside the womb, to make you believe that it's just a root canal

00:16:17.260 that is happening, is you're just getting a tooth pulled or something like that. They're trying to

00:16:21.780 make you believe that this baby with its own unique DNA, kicking, moving around, feeling pain,

00:16:29.000 this life inside the womb, they're trying to make you believe that it's not life at all,

00:16:32.780 that it's just this inanimate object, that it's just this cluster of cells that really has no value

00:16:38.100 to it whatsoever. So if there's any side that is picking one person to care for, it's not the

00:16:44.420 pro-life side. We will do everything we can for a mother in crisis to make sure that she is cared

00:16:50.080 for. We will take them into our own homes. We will give every bit of money that we have, every bit of

00:16:56.660 prayerful energy that we have to make sure that one mom is taken care of. That is what characterizes

00:17:03.760 every pro-lifer that I know. And I'm not saying that there are no pro-choicers who don't also care

00:17:09.800 about women in crisis. But if pro-choicers are really pro-choice, what's stopping them? What's

00:17:15.160 stopping them from volunteering at this pregnancy center? What's stopping them from volunteering at

00:17:21.680 a pro-life place? If they're not, as they say, pro-abortion, but they really just are pro-choice,

00:17:28.500 then how many of them are actually helping the moms who want to keep their babies, make sure that they

00:17:33.620 are in a situation where keeping their baby is okay? If you're truly pro-choice, then why not make it

00:17:39.260 as easy and as comfortable and as safe as possible to allow women to have the baby that is inside

00:17:46.440 their womb? Shouldn't we all be for that? Like, is that not the better option? And that's the

00:17:51.140 disagreement here, is that one side, the so-called pro-choice side, the pro-abortion side, doesn't

00:17:57.580 necessarily believe that keeping your baby is the better option in general. I'm sure there are some

00:18:01.980 people out there that would disagree with me. And I have a whole other spiel for you too, if you say

00:18:07.500 that you are pro-choice, but not necessarily pro-abortion. That's the deal, is that one side

00:18:13.820 doesn't necessarily think, they are not willing to say that keeping the child is the better option.

00:18:18.960 And so at a place like Planned Parenthood, you are not going to get to know all of your options.

00:18:22.160 You're going to get to know that you can have an abortion and they're not going to offer you to

00:18:26.860 hear the heartbeat. They're not going to offer you, if they don't have to, according to the law of the

00:18:32.600 state that they're in, if they don't have to show you the sonogram, they're certainly not going to.

00:18:35.860 They're not going to tell you about gestation. They're not going to tell you about how far

00:18:39.360 along your baby is in development. They're not going to show you pictures of what your baby looks

00:18:43.980 like right then. And so how can you possibly say that you're pro-choice when these abortion centers

00:18:50.540 are telling these women as little information as possible to ensure that they have an abortion

00:18:56.040 so these abortion centers can continue to capitalize off of the brutal murder of unborn children.

00:19:03.340 So, and this is part of why, I mean, this is part of why I can't, I can't even have a conversation

00:19:11.060 about, um, I can't even have a conversation with the people who say, you know, you're on the wrong

00:19:17.600 side of history. You lack compassion. I'm like, really? Because you advocate for baby murder.

00:19:23.260 And we've talked about, uh, we've talked about on this podcast before what abortion is. You can go

00:19:29.580 back. You can listen to several of my podcasts on the subject that I talk about what exactly happens

00:19:34.560 in an abortion procedure, what goes on, um, how the baby is actually killed, how the beating heart is

00:19:41.880 actually stopped, the brutal way in which babies are ripped out of the womb and the brutal way in which

00:19:49.620 a needle is inserted through the mother's womb into the uterus, into the beating heart of a moving,

00:19:57.980 kicking, alive baby to make sure that the baby goes into cardiac arrest, to make sure that the baby

00:20:04.680 has a heart attack. And we all know if you've seen Unplanned, uh, if you have heard testimonies of this,

00:20:12.200 even from abortion doctors, that sometimes it's very hard to get the needle into the beating heart of the

00:20:17.920 baby because the baby is moving away from the needle because the baby knows because there's an

00:20:22.580 instinct there for survival because the baby is wiggling around. So sometimes it's very hard to

00:20:27.920 kill a baby in the second trimester in this way, because the baby is moving around. So I really

00:20:32.500 don't want to hear from people. Oh, you're just pro birth. Even if we were just pro birth, which were

00:20:38.460 much more than that. Even if we were just pro birth, it's better than being pro murder. So I really don't

00:20:43.660 want to hear your sanctimony over who is on the right side of this. Uh, not only does the left,

00:20:51.040 does the democratic party say, Hey, her body, her choice, which is stupid anyway, because there are

00:20:56.480 two lives there. Uh, not only do they say, you know what? I think this should be the woman's decision,

00:21:01.480 which again is a stupid argument. You're talking about killing someone in what other case is killing

00:21:07.440 someone justified by choice and by autonomy. And what other case, why is it just when we're talking

00:21:15.220 about a baby in the womb, do we get to use autonomy to justify murder? Oh yeah. Because the baby is

00:21:19.820 defenseless because the baby can't vote because the baby can't speak up for itself. Because, uh,

00:21:24.420 unfortunately there is, uh, there are doctors like Dr. Leah Torres in Salt Lake City who admits to

00:21:29.760 cutting the baby's, um, vocal cords. If the baby didn't die in the proper way during the abortion and they

00:21:35.740 have to take the baby out, she cuts the baby's vocal cords. So the baby can't scream. So because

00:21:40.700 we can't hear the baby, that is why autonomy is used as the justification for abortion, but is not

00:21:46.820 used as the justification for any other kind of murder. So not only does the democratic party use

00:21:53.300 those stupid, stupid euphemisms to try to justify the absolutely unjustifiable, but they celebrate it.

00:22:00.200 They celebrate it. That is not an exaggeration. I mean, Chelsea Handler, she's selling these

00:22:06.240 abortion AF shirts and was wearing them on her Instagram. You've got organizations like Shout

00:22:12.280 Your Abortion, which has been touted by people like Oprah, who also wants to, uh, preach to the rest of

00:22:18.840 the country constantly about how everyone just needs to do better. This organization, Shout Your Abortion,

00:22:24.720 which is trying to destigmatize the murder of unborn babies and say that women should be proud of their

00:22:29.980 abortions. You've got people like Busy Phillips. She is, um, she was giving her screed, her speech

00:22:36.860 at some, you know, women's rally last year saying how proud she is of her abortion. Alyssa Milano,

00:22:43.460 the same thing. Do you remember when that terribly draconian murderous bill passed in New York a couple

00:22:49.640 years ago? And we did an episode, I think it was called Calling Evil Good, where New York lit up the,

00:22:55.860 lit up the empire, uh, state building. And I think other buildings pink after they passed this act

00:23:01.680 that said a woman, a woman is able to, actually, they would probably say a person, but we know only

00:23:06.860 women get pregnant. A woman is able to legally have an abortion at any stage of pregnancy whatsoever,

00:23:14.380 as long as the doctor says that actually doesn't even have to be a doctor, according to this bill,

00:23:20.460 as long as the reason for the abortion is some kind of, for her emotional wellbeing, for her

00:23:27.120 emotional health, which really can just mean anything. That actually includes, according to

00:23:32.540 Doe v. Bolton, which was a Supreme Court case, emotional health can just mean family situation.

00:23:37.600 It can mean financial situation. So read, for any reason, this act, the Reproductive Women's Health

00:23:44.500 Care Act or something stupid like that, that passed in New York, that has also passed in places like

00:23:50.920 Illinois, a similar legislation has also passed in places like New Mexico. It's very similar in

00:23:56.340 California. For any reason, in many states, a woman can have an abortion as long as she categorizes it

00:24:04.640 vaguely under emotional health until 40 weeks of pregnancy. And we actually know from the Virginia

00:24:11.480 governor, Ralph Northam, who said on a radio show, this is not a myth, said on the radio show,

00:24:16.680 if a baby survives an abortion, we will take the baby, put it on, put it to the side, make the baby

00:24:23.540 comfortable. And then we talk to the parents about what we want to do. What you talking about, Ralph?

00:24:28.100 Are you talking about murdering the baby after that, letting the baby die? Republicans have tried now

00:24:34.020 multiple times to pass an act that says, hey, if a baby survives an abortion, then you have to

00:24:40.640 provide that baby the same care that you would provide any other person. Democrats, all Democrats

00:24:45.200 have shut it down and said no. So we're talking about infanticide here. And for all of you who say,

00:24:49.740 oh, well, it's so rare for that to happen. Oh, well, it's so rare for women to have an abortion

00:24:55.680 late term. Okay. If that's the case, then why not make it illegal? And people say, oh, well, you know,

00:25:03.140 sometimes you need a late term abortion for the health of the mother. No, you don't. No, you don't.

00:25:08.340 You deliver that baby anytime after viability, especially. But before that too, of course,

00:25:14.340 abortion is not justified, but you deliver the baby. You have to get the baby out of you.

00:25:18.600 That is the problem. If you have a health problem, you have to get the baby out of you. You don't

00:25:21.780 have to kill the baby to get the baby out of you. Oh, some people say they found out that their baby

00:25:26.440 is deformed or they have special needs or something like that. Okay. It's still a human being. Do we

00:25:31.680 justify taking the life of special needs people when they're outside of the womb? Do we justify

00:25:36.500 murder of special needs people outside of the womb? No, of course we don't. So why just a matter of

00:25:41.840 sheer location? Why does that change our justification for murder? Again, because these

00:25:48.440 people inside the womb don't have any power. So Democrats, they celebrate this. They celebrate

00:25:56.260 it. It is part of their platform. Kamala Harris, huge Planned Parenthood advocate, especially when she

00:26:02.480 was the AG of California. She is the one who went after David Delighton. David Delighton is the

00:26:09.020 journalist who revealed, who through his journalism revealed that Planned Parenthood is, this is a fact,

00:26:17.020 they do harvest baby parts and they sell them. They sell them for money. That is something that is

00:26:22.240 actually happening. She went after him, violating the First Amendment. And it was a political

00:26:28.780 prosecution. And she, the whole thing is so crazy because as she is going after David Delighton,

00:26:36.580 who just exposed all the corruption that is in Planned Parenthood, which of course, you have an

00:26:40.860 organization that celebrates baby murder. They're going to be corrupt in other ways too. Would you

00:26:44.760 really expect them to be above board? You'd expect them not to make money off of the baby parts? Of

00:26:49.140 course they are because they're sick, sick people. So as Kamala Harris is going after David Delighton for

00:26:55.640 exposing Planned Parenthood, she is also, she is supported by Planned Parenthood and their money.

00:27:00.760 Planned Parenthood as an organization, especially in California, supported her, supported her campaign,

00:27:06.700 supported her candidacy, donated money to her. And so what would have been the right thing is for her

00:27:13.620 to recuse herself because there was a conflict of interest there, but because she is so deeply corrupt

00:27:17.640 and because she loves abortion so much and she loves Planned Parenthood so much as she has proven

00:27:23.580 over and over again throughout her career. She tried to execute a political prosecution

00:27:30.100 against someone like David Delighton. And so that is who Kamala Harris is. So for all the people,

00:27:36.320 back to the question, see, I told you, I go on these rants and I'm only able to answer two questions.

00:27:41.380 For all the people saying that you are just pro-birth, I'm sorry, give me a break. Give me a break.

00:27:48.540 Are you saying, so I, like I said, I would rather be pro-birth than pro-baby murder. And for anyone

00:27:54.960 who says, you know, the Democratic Party, they're the more compassionate party. Yeah, it aligns with

00:28:00.420 Christian values. Okay. You're going to have to square that circle for me. You're going to have to

00:28:04.580 tell me how in good conscience, any person, but especially any Christian who believes that God made

00:28:10.960 all of us in the image of God, that he formed us all in the, in the womb, that we are fearfully

00:28:15.540 and wonderfully made. The God who you, I'm sure would agree, cares for the powerless, is the voice

00:28:21.720 for the voiceless, cares about the oppressed. You're going to have to explain to me why that doesn't

00:28:27.140 include unborn babies. And I know people say, well, there's other issues. There are racial issues.

00:28:32.480 There are immigration issues on which Democrats are more compassionate. No, they're not. They're

00:28:39.240 actually not. There's no facts to actually back that up. You're going to have to tell me what the

00:28:43.100 Democratic Party has done for minority communities ever. Tell me, what have they done? They talk a big

00:28:50.840 talk. They talk about reparations. They talk about the importance of getting rid of systemic racism.

00:28:58.600 What have they actually done? I want to know that has made life better for the poor and mostly

00:29:04.880 minority communities. They've fought against school choice. They've fought against welfare

00:29:08.840 reform. They've fought against a lot of the things that we know, even in some cases, police reform.

00:29:17.840 They fought against teachers unions reform. They're for teachers unions. And all of these,

00:29:22.480 we know, disproportionately negatively affect minority communities, poor communities as well,

00:29:28.160 not equating those two. Sometimes, often they overlap. They don't always overlap. But I'm talking

00:29:32.800 about two different groups. Democrats have not fought for the little person. They don't fight

00:29:39.060 for the little person. They're just as much elite as anyone else. And I'm not saying the Republican

00:29:43.560 Party is our savior. I'm not. I've talked about their imperfections a lot. But tell me, like what

00:29:49.640 policies are actually more compassionate and more effective and have made things better for the

00:29:55.840 country and for the least of these in this country? I just can't. I can't think of any. I can't. I mean,

00:30:02.300 Democrats have been running the cities like Chicago, like Detroit, like Portland, like Seattle, like L.A.,

00:30:10.660 like New York for literally decades, decades and decades. Democrats have been running these cities.

00:30:17.340 And yet these are the cities with the greatest income gap, with the greatest disparities,

00:30:21.560 with the greatest success gaps. Unfortunately, a lot of times with the greatest police brutality,

00:30:27.580 same thing with Minneapolis. And so you're going to have to you're going to have to convince me with

00:30:32.960 some kind of statistic, with some kind of data that tangibly the Democratic Party has actually helped

00:30:39.840 the people that you claim to fight for. I just haven't seen it. Again, I'm not vouching for the

00:30:45.980 perfection of the GOP. But I'm certainly never going to vote for the party that that opts for baby

00:30:52.820 murder. And that I just don't believe has been helpful to the country at all. And actually,

00:30:57.900 I believe that the policies have led to destruction and oppression and more suffering.

00:31:02.740 Someone asked, are events in NYC Portland, so he's talking about the riots, the chaos, the huge rising

00:31:18.820 crime that has happened, because unfortunately, the leaders in those cities have tried to neuter the

00:31:23.160 police and defund the police and have not allowed their police to actually do their jobs. And so they're

00:31:29.000 allowing just people to be to run down the streets with criminality and with riots and with chaos.

00:31:37.880 He's asking, are these events reminiscent of white flight in the 1960s? Yes, I would say this is

00:31:43.500 probably true. I mean, you're going to get a lot of people that are going to be fleeing these cities

00:31:47.600 because they don't want to live there anymore. It's not safe for them anymore. It's not safe for them

00:31:51.500 to go outside. It's not safe for them to enjoy their lives by walking downtown. It's not safe for these

00:31:57.420 small businesses to conduct their business anymore. There was actually a piece of journalism in the

00:32:02.080 New York Times that was really interesting that talked about how businesses in Seattle,

00:32:06.680 these business owners who are all progressive, they're all leftist, how they have been unable to

00:32:12.780 run their businesses and to provide for themselves and to provide for their families because of the

00:32:16.820 intimidation tactics, the mob tactics of Black Lives Matter and Antifa who are owning the streets in

00:32:23.340 these cities and not allowing them to do their jobs. They're demanding even the space that their

00:32:29.720 business occupies. They're demanding money from their sales. I mean, this is extortion. These people

00:32:34.980 are mob-like. They're mafia-like. And there was actually a BLM advocate the other day who yelled out,

00:32:41.840 you know, I don't care if people loot. I don't care if people steal stuff. That's, they deserve that.

00:32:46.860 That's reparations. Okay, so are you seeing now how this has no correlation to biblical justice

00:32:53.540 whatsoever? Like, do you see that? That God, he says that we're not supposed to steal, that we're

00:32:59.740 not supposed to covet, but they're saying that that is reparations. And by the, like, this is such

00:33:04.840 all a perfect example of cosmic justice. By the way, if you haven't read Thomas Sowell's quest for cosmic

00:33:10.580 justice, I encourage you to do so. What people typically call social justice, they actually mean

00:33:15.960 it as cosmic justice. And so it has no actually grounding in reality or in objectivity, but is just

00:33:25.160 this cosmic equation for what justice looks like. And always on the other side of the equation

00:33:30.800 is hurt people. And so you do something, you do something that you say you do in the name of

00:33:37.260 justice, like you loot the Gucci store, you loot the Amazon store, you loot the Tesla store,

00:33:41.640 or something like that. You say, this is justice. This is reparations. Well, who is hurt on the

00:33:45.940 other side of that? Is that really justice? Who's hurt on the other side of that? Well,

00:33:50.260 I'll give you a great example. They decided that they were going to loot the Ronald McDonald house.

00:33:56.740 And that, you know, that's the place where kids with cancer, where they go and they get some kind

00:34:03.080 of birthday celebration. That's where, you know, a lot of their wishes get to come true. A lot of these

00:34:07.800 kids have terminal cancer and they don't have very long to live. And this is the one thing that they

00:34:12.500 have to look forward to. And unfortunately, this was looted. So this was completely ransacked by

00:34:20.900 Black Lives Matter and Antifa activists. And so this story of this little boy, I'll put it up on the

00:34:27.620 screen. The story of this little boy is that he actually didn't get to go celebrate his birthday

00:34:33.600 at the Ronald McDonald house because it was ransacked, because it was looted. Now tell me,

00:34:38.740 is that justice? Did this little boy do anything to the Black community? Did this little boy,

00:34:45.160 did he commit police brutality? Did he commit some kind of injustice? So is that justice punishing him

00:34:53.100 for the crimes of who knows who? Is that justice? I don't think that's justice. This is what social

00:34:58.840 justice, cosmic justice does, because it is rooted in revenge. It's rooted in Marxism, which says

00:35:05.460 the oppressed, the so-called oppressed, the perceived oppressed, have the right to do absolutely

00:35:12.600 anything. They don't have any moral agency. They have the right to violence. They have the right

00:35:16.440 to looting. They have the right to everything. That is what is meant when this girl said these

00:35:20.320 are reparations. It's not actual justice. It hurts people who did nothing wrong. That's not God's

00:35:26.240 justice. That is not godly justice. And thank God for that. So I just want you to see the lunacy of all of

00:35:34.100 this, that we are getting to see, by God's grace, we're getting to see the logical conclusion of

00:35:38.940 Marxism. Like we're getting to see the manifestation of what leftism causes, what it looks like. It

00:35:44.600 causes chaos. It causes chaos. It causes hurt. It causes further oppression. It causes further

00:35:50.660 injustice. Anyone who tells me rioting is the language of the unheard. Okay, well, what about this

00:35:58.340 little boy? What about this little boy? What about all of the poor people, the mostly minority people

00:36:04.340 in places like Minneapolis, who now they don't have a place to conduct business. They don't have a place

00:36:09.000 to grocery shop. They don't feel safe going out of their homes and going to get the things that they

00:36:13.700 need to get. What about the poor people, the vulnerable people, the special needs people, the

00:36:18.120 elderly people, the single moms in places like Portland and Seattle and LA and New York who don't feel

00:36:23.100 they can go outside? Is that justice to punish them for something that they didn't do? So just

00:36:29.780 realize that when we hear calling out for justice, when someone says, oh, God wants justice, you need

00:36:35.240 to ask them, what do you mean by that? By the way, forcing people to define their terms is absolute

00:36:39.380 kryptonite to the anti-racism, critical theory, social justice movement. You make them define their

00:36:46.100 terms. Tell me what that means. Where did you get your definition of justice? Is it really justice to

00:36:51.300 punish people who didn't do anything wrong? Is retribution and revenge and destruction really

00:36:58.220 justice? No, it's not. So you've got an entire side now that is for this disarray, who believes

00:37:04.440 this kind of disarray is justified. And unfortunately, our media perpetuates it. I'm not sure that you saw

00:37:10.420 this terrible story of this five-year-old boy. His name was Cannon, and he was playing outside on his

00:37:20.040 bike with his two young sisters. And a man, his next-door neighbor, decided to come outside to

00:37:26.760 shove a gun in the face of this little boy to shoot him at point-blank range and to execute him

00:37:33.900 right there. And we only heard about it because there were small little local outlets that were

00:37:39.080 reporting on it. And we don't hear about these stories in the national news. And of course,

00:37:45.280 so I guess I didn't bring up this part, but the man who executed this little boy was black and the

00:37:51.220 little boy was white. And it might not have been racially motivated. I'm going to give the same

00:37:55.720 benefit of the doubt that I would give to anyone. I don't know that it was racially motivated. I don't

00:37:59.960 know what this person's heart was. The reason why it matters is because an image bearer, a person made in

00:38:05.920 the image of God, was murdered and God hates murder. That is wrong. So I have no idea if it was racially

00:38:11.780 motivated. What I do know is if the races were reversed, this would be talked about for months on end

00:38:19.420 in the media. And unfortunately, that is what is causing so much of this chaos in so many of the false

00:38:27.260 narratives that we are only told about instances in which the perpetrator is white and the victim is

00:38:34.060 black. And it makes us think that that happens every day, that that's happening all the time. And that's

00:38:38.480 just not true. It's not statistically true. It's not statistically true that black people are

00:38:43.780 disproportionately affected by police brutality. It is not. If you look at the number of police

00:38:48.140 interactions between white and black people rather than just population size, if you look at the number

00:38:52.920 of crimes committed between white and black people, not just their population size, and you weigh that

00:38:57.540 against the number of conclusions of police interactions that are police brutality, you will see

00:39:06.000 that there is not a disproportionate effect on the black community of police killings. It's just not

00:39:13.340 true. For every unfortunate and tragic instance of a white police officer killing a black person,

00:39:21.780 whether they were armed or not, there is one or more instance of a white person that is killed in the

00:39:29.300 same way. And you don't hear about it. You don't hear about it ever. It's just not interesting to most of

00:39:35.000 the media. There is a really good, there's a really good article by Coleman Hughes in City Journal.

00:39:41.220 Coleman Hughes is a liberal. He is a Biden supporter. And he talks about how his mind changed on Black Lives

00:39:48.940 Matter, his mind changed on police brutality, because the data just doesn't prove the narrative and stories

00:39:53.700 don't prove the narrative. And he actually goes through a lot of the major stories. He looks at the facts and

00:39:59.580 he points out that there is an alternative story to every story that we hear of a white police officer

00:40:05.900 killing a black police officer. And it's all bad. Like, we shouldn't, we shouldn't just dismiss that

00:40:11.740 because it's happening to both white and black people. We should look at every single instance and

00:40:15.540 to make sure that it was justified, that there was no injustice there. I think we're all for

00:40:19.820 accountability. We are all for better and more training and more funding for police departments so that

00:40:25.240 they can do a better and more efficient job so that they can deescalate as best as possible.

00:40:30.740 But to create a racialized narrative surrounding that is causing so much chaos and so much division,

00:40:36.380 and it's based on a lie. And so for us as Christians, we have to be willing to push back on it. We have to

00:40:41.660 be willing to say, okay, when I talk about justice, I'm going to have a biblical definition of what

00:40:45.620 justice is. I'm not going to excuse writing and alluding that disproportionately hurts vulnerable

00:40:50.580 people and very often minority people, just because people tell me that I can't criticize

00:40:56.620 writing and looting. That's not a biblical definition of what justice is. I'm not going

00:41:01.440 to latch onto organizations and hashtags and movements that stand for things that Christians

00:41:06.020 don't stand for, like dismantling the nuclear family as Black Lives Matter does. I am not going to

00:41:12.460 justify violence of any kind. I'm not going to justify retribution. I'm not going to justify

00:41:18.520 revenge. And I am not going to latch on to narratives that are simply not grounded. In fact,

00:41:24.560 I'm not going to do it. No matter how compassionate it might make me sound, I'm just not going to

00:41:30.180 perpetuate a lie in the name of fitting in. You have to be really careful about the things that

00:41:35.640 you agree to, but the things that you nod your head at, at the things that you just tacitly accept

00:41:40.880 at your place of work, in your family, with your friends, at your church. You push back against

00:41:46.160 everything that isn't true, using the word of God and using facts, using statistics. That is what we

00:41:51.880 are called to do as believers in objective truth. And I'm not saying I have it all figured out.

00:41:57.060 I'm not saying that you should only listen to me, that you shouldn't listen to other perspectives.

00:42:00.880 I think that we should. We absolutely should. And I am for talking about some kinds of reforms. I am

00:42:07.840 for talking about what can actually help a lot of these communities that I know both sides,

00:42:13.780 you know, a lot of people on both sides really care about, but I'm just not going to buy into

00:42:19.540 false narratives. So the question was, do I think there's going to be a white flight? I think there's

00:42:24.060 going to be a flight of all kinds of people, of all kinds of ethnicities who don't want to feel

00:42:28.020 unsafe in these cities anymore. Again, we are graciously getting a look at what leftist policies

00:42:33.200 end up as. It's chaos. It's anarchy. As Dan Crenshaw says often, leftism doesn't lead. It

00:42:39.820 doesn't actually build something. It's good for activism. It's good for passion. It always sounds

00:42:45.580 good, but it can't actually build something. Its logical conclusion is always just destruction and

00:42:51.440 revolution. That's what it's been throughout history. Conservatism, at least parts of conservatism,

00:42:57.500 always have to be adopted in order for leftism to work at all. So, okay, that's all I have to talk

00:43:05.880 about today. I know I only got through three questions, kind of. I don't even know if I

00:43:09.880 answered all of them, but I know we talked about some controversial things today, but hey, that is

00:43:14.700 what we do on Relatable. You can let me know what you think. You can message me on Instagram and let

00:43:19.960 me know. Thank you guys so much for listening. We'll be back here on Monday, and we'll be talking

00:43:23.720 about the election. I will see you then.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - August 14, 2020

Ep 288 ｜ Are Pro-Lifers Just Pro-Birth？｜ Q&A

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