Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 293 ｜ Why Police Shootings Need Context

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. I hope everyone has had a great week so far.

00:00:17.200 If you haven't listened to Monday's episode with Dr. John MacArthur, I had the privilege

00:00:22.960 of interviewing him and it was such a wonderful short conversation. So make sure that you go

00:00:28.400 back and you listen to that episode. You guys know I am doing an election series every Monday

00:00:34.240 until the election we started. Last Monday, we talked about abortion. And then this past Monday,

00:00:40.520 we talked about religious liberty. And we are comparing where Republicans and Trump are on

00:00:46.240 these issues and where Democrats and Joe Biden are on these issues. You guys know I'm coming from a

00:00:51.880 particular perspective. So don't allow me to be the only person that you listen to. Definitely do your

00:00:57.220 own research. I am trying to give you the most unbiased truth that I possibly can. But you guys

00:01:04.380 know that my worldview is a Christian, biblical, conservative worldview. And so that, of course,

00:01:10.680 is going to characterize the things I talk about and how I talk about them. That doesn't mean that

00:01:15.940 I am trying to be biased or I'm trying to leave out information that is never, ever my goal. But I do

00:01:24.240 encourage you knowing this about me to make sure that you listen to other perspectives and other

00:01:29.680 sides. And at the end of the day, you have to do your own research. And most importantly, as a

00:01:33.480 Christian, you have to go back to the Word of God. You have to ask yourself, does he care about unborn 1.00

00:01:38.460 life? Does he care about things like religious liberty? You need to study the regimes that I talked

00:01:43.380 about on Monday yourself. You need to look at Pol Pot's Cambodia. You need to look at Mao's China, 0.97

00:01:47.860 current China. You need to look at Cuba. You need to look at Venezuela and how all of those

00:01:54.240 fared in relation to religious liberty and freedom of speech and freedom of the press

00:01:57.800 when they have gone in the way of socialism. It will make a much bigger impact on you if you do

00:02:03.660 your own research. Don't allow me to be the only person to shape your views, although I am so

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00:02:15.020 message me and tell me about the impact that this podcast has had on you. That really does just

00:02:21.520 humble me and makes me so grateful for the privilege of being able to do that job. Now,

00:02:26.880 today we are going to talk about something that is very controversial. I don't like talking about

00:02:32.460 this. I really wish I could avoid talking about this. We've talked about it. It seems several times

00:02:38.260 over the past few months because of the riots and sometimes the peaceful protests that have been

00:02:44.880 happening in relation to police brutality and what is called systemic racism. We have talked about

00:02:51.740 this several times. We did a podcast after the George Floyd incident called Does the Truth Matter?

00:02:57.240 We've done another podcast episode titled Which Black Lives Matter? Of course, I've talked about these

00:03:03.140 things with people like Samuel Say and Vodee Bauckham, and we have really labored to break all of this

00:03:10.380 down from a biblical perspective. I've gotten a lot of negative messages, a lot of negative posts on the

00:03:17.300 internet, a lot of negative reviews, people that are angry that I'm talking about this from a perspective

00:03:24.420 that is different than the mainstream. But more than that, way more than that, what eclipses that

00:03:30.080 is the number of messages and emails and comments and posts that I've gotten from people who are very

00:03:35.700 grateful for an alternate perspective to everything that is going on. If you're new to the podcast,

00:03:42.060 I've got a lot of new people here because maybe you bought my book. A friend suggested you read my

00:03:47.520 book and you read it, and now you know about my podcast. And so you're coming on here and you don't

00:03:52.180 know what to expect. And maybe you don't align with me politically. You're not a conservative. And so

00:03:57.420 maybe you are a little bit nervous in coming into this episode or any of my episodes because you're

00:04:02.980 afraid you might disagree with me. You might disagree with me. You might understand that my motivation

00:04:08.440 is always truth and compassion. I don't want to sacrifice one for the other. And so when we talk

00:04:16.120 about racialized police brutality, when we talk about, I don't know if we'll get into the accusation

00:04:23.080 of systemic racism today, but when we talk about these very rightfully sensitive subjects, know that

00:04:29.220 that that is my heart, that that is my motivation. And maybe I fail when it comes to that because I'm,

00:04:34.540 you know, just a finite, sinful human being, just like everyone else. But that is my heart behind

00:04:40.040 talking about these subjects. But I cannot, I cannot allow people to just be taken down this current

00:04:52.620 of narrative surrounding police brutality and surrounding racism in the police without talking

00:05:01.120 about the truth, without giving counterfactuals. Because it's important as Christians that we

00:05:08.120 ground our beliefs in objective reality. That doesn't mean that we're not compassionate. That doesn't

00:05:13.840 mean that we're not sympathetic. That doesn't mean that we're not loving. I would argue that it is the

00:05:18.560 most loving thing that we can do to ground our beliefs and to ground our reactions in the truth,

00:05:24.460 in statistical truth, in data-driven truth, and most importantly, in biblical truth. So what does

00:05:30.860 the Bible say about justice? What does the Bible say about murder? What does the Bible say about image

00:05:36.180 bearers and what people are worth and what our reaction should be? And the reason why we're talking

00:05:41.060 about all of this today is because a black man by the name of Jacob Blake, he's a 29-year-old man,

00:05:46.920 was shot by a police officer, a white police officer, seven times on Sunday. And now there are riots and

00:05:54.040 arson that is taking over Kenosha, Wisconsin, where this incident happened. And that is in addition

00:06:01.760 to the riots and the arson and the vandalism and the assault, and in some cases, murder that's going on

00:06:08.620 in the riots that have been taking place in America's major cities for over three months.

00:06:12.740 That started with George Floyd, but I would argue have not been about George Floyd for a very long

00:06:18.420 time. And once again, I want to distinguish between the peaceful protesters and these rioters,

00:06:24.200 many of whom have no idea why they're rioting. They desperately want to be a part of something.

00:06:29.060 They desperately want to have purpose and worth and identity, and they're finding it

00:06:32.540 in these anarchist groups. A lot of these people are not protesting against systemic racism,

00:06:37.820 rioting against systemic racism, or what they perceive to be systemic racism. But the peaceful

00:06:43.500 protesters that were peacefully protesting in the beginning, many of whom are still having

00:06:48.000 conversations and working for change today, are truly working for more transparency in the police

00:06:53.180 and for what they see as major problems in our justice system. And it doesn't matter whether or not

00:06:59.960 I agree with every single policy position that those peaceful people are talking about.

00:07:06.300 I commend them for using their First Amendment rights to do that. So I will never condemn a

00:07:10.180 peaceful protester, whether or not I agree with the premise of their protest. I will never disagree,

00:07:15.040 or I will never condemn someone who is bringing up hard and difficult conversations,

00:07:21.680 policy prescriptions, things like that in a peaceful way, even if I disagree with them.

00:07:25.680 That is what this country is about. That is what has helped make America great for so long.

00:07:30.740 I think that is different than the rioting and the destruction that is going on. And as we will

00:07:35.600 talk about today, it is a myth to say that that is the only way to make change, because America has

00:07:43.600 actually changed for the better in so many ways, using peaceful democratic processes. So that is a

00:07:49.520 myth. And I believe that the reactions that are happening, if you can even call them reactions,

00:07:55.340 they're simply not justice. And we can, on the one hand, say that, hey, I really don't like it

00:08:01.680 when people die by the hands of the police. And we can also say, but the riots and the destruction

00:08:07.640 that are ruining people's lives, in many cases, black people's lives by burning down their businesses 1.00

00:08:12.820 and vandalizing their homes and places of work, that that is also not right. That is also injustice.

00:08:19.520 We should be able to, as critically thinking people, hold those two thoughts in our mind at the same

00:08:26.020 time. OK, so let's talk about what happened with Jacob Blake. So media reports say that the police

00:08:31.880 were allegedly responding to a call about a domestic disturbance. They reportedly tried to tase Blake

00:08:37.540 and he wouldn't comply. Again, this is reportedly there's so much that we don't know. And that's what

00:08:42.820 I'm going to emphasize in just a second. There was a video shot of the scene from what looks like

00:08:48.220 across the street, like a phone video. You see Blake going into his car. The police have their guns

00:08:53.500 drawn. It looks like they're telling him to stop. And instead, he keeps going. He reaches into his

00:08:59.060 car. A police officer is holding the back of his shirt. I don't want to play the video. It's

00:09:03.920 it's very disturbing. Some people are saying, well, the video shows that the shooting is justified.

00:09:11.820 I don't think that the video gives us that information. It is available online. If you want

00:09:16.180 to go watch it online, I would not watch it with your children. It is disturbing. You can hear screaming.

00:09:20.360 Apparently, there were children in the car, too, which is just so tragic and so disturbing. But

00:09:25.200 this police officer is yanking at his shirt, obviously trying to get him not to reach into his

00:09:32.420 car. And you see Blake going to reach into his car for something that we don't know. And then the

00:09:37.780 police officer shoots him seven times in the back. We don't know if it was one police officer or the

00:09:42.980 second police officer that also shot him. We really don't know much else. We really don't.

00:09:50.020 We don't know exactly what happened before this. There are neighbors who were saying that he was

00:09:54.800 trying to break up a fight. We just don't know that. We haven't been able to confirm that yet.

00:10:01.560 According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, court documents show that there was a warrant out for

00:10:06.340 his arrest for sexual assault, trespassing and disorderly conduct in connection to domestic abuse.

00:10:12.980 So there was a warrant out for Jacob Blake's arrest for those things, sexual assault and domestic

00:10:18.120 abuse. This was not his first violent run in with the police. In 2015, he pulled a gun at a bar and

00:10:24.260 had to be taken down by a canine. Now, why am I saying that? Am I saying that that justifies what

00:10:30.220 happened to him? No, those cases alone, those facts alone do not justify the shooting. And I'm not

00:10:36.040 trying to say that. What I am trying to do is give enough context to take a step back and to reserve

00:10:41.060 our judgment before we know the full story. It is possible that he reached inside his car to get a gun

00:10:47.120 and maybe the officer saw that he was reaching inside his car to get a gun. And that's why they

00:10:52.120 reacted the way that they did. And they and they shot him. I don't know. Maybe he was reaching inside

00:10:58.520 his car to get his cell phone to call his lawyer. Maybe he was reaching inside his car to get his

00:11:02.920 license. I don't know. Maybe it was totally unjustified by this police officer. Maybe they

00:11:08.380 did overreact. I mean, I understand seven times. My first thought was seven times. Does it seven times?

00:11:15.640 Was that really necessary? But what I have learned is that it is easy for us in the comfort of our

00:11:23.700 homes to be looking on our iPhones and to judge the conduct of a police officer in a situation that

00:11:29.840 we have never been in, where his life is on the line, and to say how he or she should have done

00:11:36.580 their jobs. That's very easy for us to do. Maybe there were racial motives behind this shooting.

00:11:43.260 Maybe there was bias, either explicit bias that can be proven by this police officer or implicit bias

00:11:50.800 there. Possibly. But we do not know. We don't know that in the same way that we don't know that about

00:11:57.500 Derek Chauvin. Maybe. But we don't know that yet. Social media, as you guys know, I've talked about

00:12:04.780 this many times. Social media awards virtue points based on how quickly and how emotionally you react to

00:12:12.380 something. And they judge you very harshly if you don't make the statement that they want you to make.

00:12:20.520 But that is not true virtue. Social media slacktivists on the left, particularly, maybe it happens on the

00:12:28.420 right, too, in different scenarios. But I would say, in particular, this is a characteristic of social media

00:12:35.380 slacktivists on the left, that they scour your timeline. If you complain about one thing, 1.00

00:12:43.260 they scour your timeline and they see if you complained about another thing that they want

00:12:47.380 you to complain about. And if you didn't complain about the thing that they want you to complain

00:12:51.080 about, then they judge you unrighteous. They judge you uncompassionate. They say, hey, I see that you

00:12:55.520 didn't talk about X, Y, Z. I had someone, a Christian pastor who supports Black Lives Matter. He

00:13:02.480 did the same thing to me on social media. I said something about Kenosha, Wisconsin burning down

00:13:10.220 due to rioters. And he said, you know, I haven't seen you condemn this attempted murder. Well,

00:13:17.160 I don't know. I don't know what happened. I don't know what the motivations were. I have no idea what

00:13:22.200 happened before this clip. And no one else does either. And it actually does not help the dialogue.

00:13:27.580 It does not help the conversation at all for me to contribute an analysis or a commentary that is

00:13:34.600 based on things that I don't know. So today, I just want to tell you what I know and tell you also

00:13:41.200 what I don't know. And also, by the way, what the rest of the world does not know either. We do not

00:13:46.600 know this officer's heart. We do not know his motivation. We don't know the motivation of Jacob

00:13:51.820 Blake. Like I said, he could have been a totally innocent guy in this particular scenario. He could

00:13:57.300 have been reaching for his phone and said, hey, you know, I'm just going to call my lawyer. He could

00:14:01.240 have been totally calm before this for all we know. We don't know. The police report says that they tried

00:14:05.960 to tase him and it didn't work. I don't know if that's true in the same way that I don't know if

00:14:09.620 the neighbor's report is true, that he was trying to break up a fight. I don't know that. And no one

00:14:15.660 else knows that either, at least by the time I'm recording this. Now, this I always record it the day

00:14:20.200 before. So maybe by the time this comes out, there will be more information that will either

00:14:23.800 at least somewhat exonerate the officer or maybe it will totally exonerate Jacob Blake. Possibly.

00:14:30.880 But as of right now, I don't know. And no one else does either. And everyone is assuming that they

00:14:36.500 know. And you get awarded points on social media if you automatically, quickly, without any reasoning,

00:14:43.480 without any truth, without any facts whatsoever, say the most extreme thing possible about the

00:14:49.200 motivations of this officer, no one will come back and say, hey, you should probably issue a

00:14:54.500 correction. Hey, you should probably wait until the facts come out. It doesn't matter. When it is a

00:15:01.140 left-wing narrative, you can be as speculative as possible and no one on the left will ever check you

00:15:06.860 and say, hey, actually, we should probably wait just a second. No, because apparently the more

00:15:13.180 emotional you are and the more automatic you are, the more knee-jerk you are when it comes to

00:15:17.640 something like this, claiming racialized motivations, the more virtuous you are. But again,

00:15:24.340 that is not true virtue. That is not how God is judging your compassion. That is not how God is

00:15:31.060 judging your righteousness. I saw Daryl Harrison, the host of the Just Thinking podcast, said the other

00:15:36.280 day, you would think that social justice advocates think that anger is a virtue. They love to use Jesus

00:15:42.780 flipping over the tables as an example of that. There was a particular reason why Jesus was flipping

00:15:48.440 over the tables because they were making the temple into what he called a den of robbers. Yes,

00:15:54.720 I do think righteous anger is often justified, and maybe it's justified in this case, but we don't know

00:16:02.120 yet. And it has to be okay. We have to be humble enough to be able to admit that. You might have your

00:16:07.920 guesses. We might have our assumptions in our minds, but I think it's okay for us to reserve judgment

00:16:13.340 while we can. Now, thankfully, no matter which side of the issue that you are on here, thankfully,

00:16:21.080 Jacob Blake is not dead. He is stable. He's in critical condition in the hospital, but he is not

00:16:25.960 dead. And for that, I am so grateful. I am so grateful that he's alive. 29 years old, young guy,

00:16:31.640 about the same age as me. He has four children. I hope to God that God continues to heal him fully,

00:16:38.160 that he makes a full and quick recovery, that God uses this terrible situation, no matter if the

00:16:44.780 shooting was justified or not, no matter what was going on before this video. It is a terrible

00:16:50.240 situation, no matter of any of those factors. I hope that God uses the situation to draw him and to draw

00:16:56.700 his family to himself and to glorify himself. I hope that God uses this preservation of life

00:17:06.400 to glorify himself and to share the gospel. I am always for the preservation of life where it can

00:17:14.420 be and should be preserved. I am always for redemption where something or someone can be redeemed. And I am

00:17:21.620 praying for Jacob Blake. And I mean that sincerely. I'm praying for his sons who apparently, like I

00:17:26.640 said, tragically witnessed this. I am praying for his friends, for his family. I pray that God would

00:17:31.960 continue to heal him. Jacob Blake, like all people, as we know, was made in God's image. That means that

00:17:38.740 he, like every other human being, has incredible worth. He has a soul that will live forever in one

00:17:45.540 of two places, just like yours and mine. He needs Christ, just like you and I do. And praise God that he

00:17:51.460 did not go out in the way that it looked like he was going to. I am sincerely so thankful for that.

00:17:59.740 Do I wish that officers would never have to shoot people? I sincerely do. Yes, even criminals. I would

00:18:07.000 rather in an ideal world, that person who is caught by the police, I would rather that person live and go

00:18:15.320 to prison than be shot and killed by a cop because they're human beings. And as long as that person is

00:18:20.640 alive, Jesus can save them. The thief that was dying on the cross when Jesus assured him, the thief was

00:18:28.400 dying on the cross when Jesus assured him that today you will be in paradise with me because of your

00:18:35.160 faith. I want that for everyone. And I am willing to advocate for whatever training possible to make

00:18:41.740 it less and less likely for it to happen that a police officer shoots a person, especially in the back.

00:18:48.140 As Votie Bauckham talked about on this show a few weeks ago, proper chokeholds used by police officers 0.96

00:18:54.060 actually save lives. They can prevent situations like this from happening when done properly. It is safe

00:19:00.440 and effective. It's a safe and effective way to subdue someone who is resisting arrest without killing

00:19:05.540 them. And yet there are at least 13 states and cities across the country right now that are banning chokeholds

00:19:12.140 or in the process of trying to legislate a ban on chokeholds, according to CNN, because it sounds

00:19:17.920 good to do. It sounds like the right thing to do. In reality, more lives will likely be lost by that

00:19:24.360 change than saved by that. If all police officers could be trained with Brazilian jujitsu, I think that

00:19:30.320 would be better for everyone like Votie Bauckham has advocated for. But I also understand that it's not

00:19:37.020 always possible for police officers to do anything else but use their gun. And I don't know if this

00:19:43.400 situation with Jacob Blake was one of those situations. I do not know. There are several situations where

00:19:49.040 it's obvious, in my personal opinion, that police used disproportionate force. Does that happen? Yes, it is

00:19:56.940 rare, but it happens. Botham Jean is one of those cases. One of the most tragic stories ever where an off-duty

00:20:05.140 police officer who was a white woman, she came into his apartment that she says she thought was hers and 0.99

00:20:12.560 shot him dead. He was 26 years old. Hopefully it was truly an accident. Again, we're never really going

00:20:19.320 to know, but she was convicted of murder, sentenced to, I think, just 10 years in prison. And it was

00:20:26.160 Brant Jean, who was Botham Jean's brother, who extended this amazing, amazing speech of

00:20:34.680 forgiveness to Amber Geiger, who was Botham Jean's killer. And it was just an amazing situation where

00:20:43.140 God used a tragic scenario to bring glory to himself. But that was, without a doubt, something

00:20:49.620 wrong that happened, something bad that happened, something unjust that happened. Botham Jean did

00:20:55.460 nothing wrong. Tatiana Jefferson killed in her home by an officer outside her home. Now, she did have a gun,

00:21:01.340 but she was inside her home in the middle of the night. That's your Second Amendment right to have

00:21:06.580 your gun. She probably thought it was an intruder and was probably trying to defend herself. The

00:21:12.000 officer was indicted for murder after shooting and killing her in her own home, exercising her Second 0.95

00:21:17.800 Amendment rights. Elijah McClain, he was walking at night, apparently, to get a drink for his brother

00:21:23.800 wearing a ski mask. A 140-pound, very thin, small, autistic kid pinned to the ground by the police, 0.53

00:21:30.420 given a sedative by the EMT that apparently, according to the autopsy, killed him. In my opinion,

00:21:35.220 he never should have died. He never should have been tackled by the police. This is still being

00:21:40.120 investigated. Justine Damon, a white woman shot by a black police officer, all she did was call the 1.00

00:21:45.880 police reporting what she thought was a sexual assault in her alley. Came out of her house in pink

00:21:52.260 pajamas to talk to the police, and the officer shot her from his car for a reason that we do not know.

00:21:58.560 He only got 12 years in prison. Tony Tempa, a white man, pressed into the ground until he couldn't

00:22:03.240 breathe, whimpering. We saw a video of this begging for them to stop while officers laughed at him.

00:22:09.220 The criminal charges against the officers in this situation were dropped. Daniel Shaver, another white

00:22:15.460 man, begging for his life while police officers pointed their guns at him. He apparently reached down to

00:22:20.540 pull up his pants, and they shot him dead. So these instances of disproportionate police force

00:22:26.980 do happen. They are tragic, and they are always investigated. They are also, thankfully, very rare,

00:22:36.020 increasingly rare. By the way, the vast majority, this is a fact, the vast majority of police interactions

00:22:43.660 end peacefully. And the vast majority of police effectively subdue situations so that force is

00:22:50.600 unnecessary. Police officers don't want to kill people. Do you think they want to be the next

00:22:56.060 headline? Do you think they want to take someone's life? They don't want themselves, they don't want to

00:23:02.960 die. They want to go home to their families. And so it is always preferable for a police officer not to

00:23:08.860 escalate a situation. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't care, and we shouldn't investigate when

00:23:13.820 it looks like the police used force when they shouldn't have. We absolutely should. That is the

00:23:18.020 beautiful thing about due process in this country. I don't want police officers that bully and threaten

00:23:22.800 the populace to just go away unscathed. That's why I actually think we should not have police unions.

00:23:29.420 It makes it too difficult to fire bad police officers. Derek Chauvin had a record of using

00:23:36.080 disproportionate force and it was the police union that shielded him. I don't think we should have

00:23:40.500 public unions, period. I don't think that we should have teachers unions. It is not, it's not ethical

00:23:45.240 for our tax dollars to go to a union that has been funding politicians that, whether we're on the left

00:23:50.540 or the right, we probably don't support. And unions so often are just about power and not actually

00:23:55.580 representing the either teachers or the police or the postal workers that they claim to represent.

00:24:06.080 If we could all agree, if we could just all agree that every instance of disproportionate force,

00:24:21.160 perceived disproportionate force, or actual disproportionate force by a police officer

00:24:25.120 should be investigated, that officers should be held accountable, that there should be transparency,

00:24:30.620 that there should be good training, I think we would all agree. I think most police officers

00:24:34.540 would agree. I don't, like I said, I don't want bad police officers. I don't think other police

00:24:39.940 officers want bad police officers. But unfortunately, we can't seem to agree on these common sense

00:24:46.720 measures. As soon as it comes out that a black person is killed by a white police officer, the immediate

00:24:52.660 and viral reaction and assumption is that A, it is racist, that it's a racist motivation, and B,

00:25:01.580 that this happens all the time, that there is an epidemic of white officers killing unarmed black

00:25:07.480 men. And this is the most controversial thing to say. But it is not true. It is not true. And it is

00:25:13.360 loving to say that it is not true. Isn't that good news that that is not actually true, that it is not

00:25:20.200 factual, that that epidemic exists. Coleman Hughes, who is black, and he is also a liberal, he is an

00:25:26.540 admitted Biden voter. He wrote an article for City Journal a few months ago called Stories and Data.

00:25:32.680 I'll link it in the description. You can see for yourself. He also links a lot of other studies in

00:25:38.540 the in the article that you can click on. And again, please research this for yourself. Do not take my

00:25:45.000 word for it. But I'll make it easy for you. You can go and you can look at this article and you can look

00:25:50.600 at the studies that he included. So in this article, Stories and Data in City Journal, Coleman Hughes

00:25:55.720 talked about how he at one point was fully on board with Black Lives Matter. He was all in on the 0.99

00:26:01.040 narrative that racialized police shootings, that it was an epidemic until he actually started to do the

00:26:07.420 research for himself. Here's what he said. The basic quote, the basic premise of Black Lives Matter

00:26:12.780 that racist cops are killing unarmed black people, Coleman Hughes says, is false. For every black person

00:26:19.100 killed by the police, there is at least one white person, usually many, killed in a similar way.

00:26:25.160 The day before cops in Louisville barged into Breonna Taylor's home and killed her,

00:26:31.620 cops barged into the home of a white man named Duncan Lemp, killed him and wounded his girlfriend.

00:26:36.400 Even George Floyd, whose death was particularly brutal, has a white counterpart, Tony Tempa. We already 0.99

00:26:42.420 read that story. He talks about how the police officers were cracking jokes in the criminal

00:26:48.820 charges that were brought against them were later dropped. He says, you might agree that the police

00:26:53.940 kill plenty of unarmed white people, but you might object that they are more likely to kill unarmed

00:26:59.260 black people, Coleman Hughes says, relative to their share of the population. That's where the data comes

00:27:04.200 in. The objection is true as far as it goes, but it is also misleading. To demonstrate the existence

00:27:10.300 of a racial bias, it is not enough. And this is this is what is so important. It is not enough 0.92

00:27:16.340 to cite the fact that black people comprise 14% of the population, but about 35% of unarmed

00:27:23.460 Americans shot dead by the police. That is the statistic that you will see in the New York

00:27:26.980 Times and the Washington Post and every Instagram infographic out there saying, look, this is an

00:27:32.140 epidemic. This is happening a lot more to the to the black community than it is the white community. 0.80

00:27:39.020 They say this, that black people comprise 14% of the population, but about 35% of unarmed Americans

00:27:45.840 shot dead by the police. That is misleading. And he explains why he says by that logic, you could

00:27:52.260 prove that police shootings were extremely sexist by pointing out that men comprise 50% of the population,

00:27:57.740 but 93% of unarmed Americans shot by cops. But of course, you don't say that you say, well, men commit the

00:28:04.580 majority of the crimes. They have the majority of interactions with the police. So it makes sense

00:28:08.940 proportionally that they would be tragically, usually the victims of this. And so that logic

00:28:14.920 to just use population size doesn't work. Coleman Hughes goes on. Instead, you must do what all good

00:28:20.400 social scientists do control for confounding variables to isolate the effect that one variable

00:28:26.520 has upon another. In this case, the effect of a suspect's race on a cop's decision to pull the

00:28:31.920 trigger. At least four careful studies have done this. One by Harvard economist Roland Fryer,

00:28:37.860 one by a group of public health researchers, one by economist Sandil Moulinathan, and one by David

00:28:44.560 Johnson et al. None of these studies has found a racial bias in deadly shootings. Of course,

00:28:50.080 that hardly settles the issue for all time. As always, more research is needed. I agree with Coleman Hughes

00:28:55.260 on that. But given the studies already done, it seems unlikely that future work will ever uncover

00:29:00.600 anything close to the amount of racial bias that BLM protesters in America and around the world

00:29:05.320 believe exists. So when you control for all factors, when you control for number of police

00:29:10.600 interactions between white and black people, when you control for the factor of the crimes committed

00:29:17.840 between the black community and the white community, there is no, from the data that we have,

00:29:23.800 from these studies that he cited, there is no racial bias. There is no disproportionate victimization of

00:29:31.600 black people by the police. We just do not see that according to the data. And there has been study

00:29:37.740 after study showing this. And actually, the Roland Fryer study, he is a black man and he did this study

00:29:44.660 for Harvard University. And he actually went into it thinking that he was going to be able to prove

00:29:51.400 racial bias and he just didn't find it. Again, read this article for yourself. Look at the studies for

00:29:57.480 yourself when you control for all factors, which the people who just use the sheer population proportion

00:30:03.900 of the black community do not control for all factors. When you control for all factors, you do not find, 0.61

00:30:09.780 according to the data, that there is a racialization, there is a racial aspect to these police shootings.

00:30:15.540 And as Coleman Hughes said, studies actually do show, the same Roland Fryer study shows,

00:30:19.900 that it does seem that non-white people are more likely to be roughed up by the police,

00:30:26.460 maybe not white police officers, but by the police in general, than white people.

00:30:30.800 We don't know if that's, you know, if there are racial motives there, but that does seem to show

00:30:34.860 that. And we could certainly say that that's a problem. But as far as fatal force, we do not see,

00:30:40.020 according to data set after data set, that there is a racialized aspect to this and that this is

00:30:45.540 happening at epidemic levels or disproportionate rates at all in the black community versus the

00:30:50.820 white community. And we have people like Sean King tweeting out, you know what? You guys deserve 0.99

00:30:56.860 these riots. You deserve the unrest. You deserve the arson. You deserve the violence. He tweeted that,

00:31:03.440 you know, that's the only language that y'all hear. We tried peace and it just didn't work. And

00:31:08.240 that's what we keep hearing, that riots are the language of the unheard, that this is what people have

00:31:12.500 to do. They have to loot. They have to burn down. They have to steal. They have to assault. They

00:31:16.780 have to kill. They have to block roadways. They have to ruin people's lives and livelihoods. They

00:31:20.980 have to burn down a car shop in Minneapolis with a minority man that was inside that got burnt alive.

00:31:28.700 They have to do these things, they say, in order for people to take them seriously. That is a myth.

00:31:36.120 That's just not true. That is to say that we haven't made any progress since the civil rights area

00:31:40.700 toward black Americans, toward non-white Americans. That is just not true. And Coleman Hughes talks

00:31:46.380 about this in his article. He says the case for violence rests on the false notion that without it,

00:31:51.840 little progress can be made. Recent history tells a different story. In 2018, the NYPD killed five

00:31:58.000 people, down from 93 people in 1971. Since 2001, the national incarceration rate for black men ages 18 to 29

00:32:05.860 has gone down by more than half. Put simply, we know progress through normal democratic means is

00:32:11.980 possible because we have already done it. And yes, there's no way that you can look throughout history

00:32:17.460 over the past 50 years and say that we have made no progress. Guys, in a single lifetime, in less than a

00:32:24.920 lifetime, we went from segregation. We went from absolute institutionalized racism to having a black

00:32:34.140 president two times in a row elected overwhelmingly. And no, that doesn't prove once and for all that

00:32:39.760 America is not racist. That alone doesn't prove once and for all. But as John McWhorter said, who is also a

00:32:46.040 black academic, that it does mean something. It does mean something that America overwhelmingly

00:32:52.120 elected a black man to the highest office in our land just a few decades after America was provably, 0.64

00:33:01.500 demonstrably, an institutionally racist country in many cases. I mean, we have made a lot of progress,

00:33:08.640 guys, a lot of progress through peaceful, democratic, and social means. Yes, we have. And so the idea that,

00:33:15.980 oh no, we need violence and we need arson to do this, I guarantee you it will be counterproductive.

00:33:20.220 I guarantee you it will take us backwards, not forwards. And that is what Coleman Hughes argues as well.

00:33:26.680 Now, he says, which of course I agree with in this article, in a perfect world, I would like to see the yearly

00:33:32.280 number of unarmed Americans killed by police decrease from 55 to zero. But the more I think about how we would

00:33:39.460 achieve this, the less optimistic I am. At a glance, copying the policies of nations with very few police shootings

00:33:44.840 seems like a promising path, but on closer inspection, one realizes how uniquely challenging

00:33:49.140 the American situation is. He says, he goes on to say, the only way out of this conundrum,

00:33:54.860 it seems to me, is for millions of Americans on the left to realize that deadly police shootings

00:33:59.460 happen to blacks and whites alike. As long as a critical mass of people view this as a race issue,

00:34:06.300 they will see every new video of a black person being killed as yet another injustice

00:34:10.320 and a long chain dating back to the middle passage. That sentiment, which is felt deeply and earnestly,

00:34:17.320 will reliably produce large protests and destructive riots. But he says, if we can elevate the national

00:34:25.480 discourse, if we can actually have that honest and uncomfortable conversation about race that people

00:34:32.320 have been claiming to want for years, we might have a chance. And I agree. We have to be honest about

00:34:40.080 these conversations, not just about policing and possibly racialized policing and police brutality,

00:34:46.200 but about the whole idea of institutional and systemic racism in general. Because people don't

00:34:51.620 seem to be able to define that, except in this intangible sense that the feeling of white supremacy still

00:34:55.940 reigns. They point to disparities between blacks and whites. And for every disparity that they see,

00:35:02.400 they see discrimination. For the millionth time, rediscrimination and disparities by Thomas Sowell,

00:35:08.080 who also happens to be black, by the way. And you will see that disparities do not necessarily

00:35:12.440 equal discrimination. And when you say without a doubt that they equal discrimination and therefore

00:35:17.800 systemic racism, you actually end up prescribing faulty solutions to a faulty problem,

00:35:23.480 when there actually might be a variety of factors for the disparate outcomes between the two groups.

00:35:29.720 As I've said many times, the most successful by a variety of factors groups in this country,

00:35:35.240 as far as median income, as far as average graduation rates, as far as family togetherness.

00:35:41.500 So the rate of divorce, as far as all those factors go for family cohesiveness and general success

00:35:48.440 and lack of poverty and high graduation rates and high test scores, that those are the most

00:35:55.020 successful people, according to those factors, are not white people in this country. It's East Asian 0.82

00:35:59.900 Americans and Indian Asian Americans. And so if there is a gap in success between the Asian Americans

00:36:06.860 and the white Americans, where the white Americans on average aren't doing as well as the Indian and

00:36:11.200 Asian Americans, are you going to say that that disparity also means there's systemic discrimination

00:36:17.340 against white people? Of course you won't. And so you see the faulty reasoning for saying that all

00:36:22.900 disparities between two groups equals automatically discrimination. It might in many cases, but it

00:36:29.340 doesn't always. And so we have to be able to have those honest conversations. But so often when we're

00:36:33.940 talking about police brutality, we're talking about racism. Of course, racism does exist. Someone said the

00:36:39.600 other day that, oh, you guys don't believe that racism exists. I've said probably a million thousand

00:36:44.480 hundred and seven times. That, of course, racism exists because isms exist, because hate exists in

00:36:51.280 the human heart. And the Bible says you cannot love God and hate your brother. So racism is a sin,

00:36:55.840 just like other isms. If you hate someone because of their skin color, if you hate someone because of 0.75

00:37:00.260 their nationality, if you hate someone because of their age or their ability, whatever it is, that is

00:37:04.940 all hate and that is condemned by God. And it is a sin. Of course, racism exists. Racism is a sin.

00:37:10.520 The question of whether or not we have an epidemic of police racism or whether or not America today in

00:37:16.720 2020 is institutionally racist. That is a different question. And we have to start with the facts and

00:37:21.920 we have to have an honest conversation about it. But when we don't, when we immediately jump to

00:37:26.300 conclusions, when we automatically slap the label of racism on something without knowing the facts,

00:37:31.660 we raise the temperature in this country and we start justifying violence. We start justifying chaos

00:37:36.820 and it doesn't help anyone. Disproportionately, the chaos, the riots, the burning down of buildings,

00:37:42.540 the vandalism that is going on in this country, in Portland, in Seattle, now in Kenosha and places

00:37:48.020 like Denver, New York City, the other democratically held cities is disproportionately hurting other black 0.59

00:37:54.680 people and other poor people that live in these inner cities. You are not hurting. In most cases,

00:38:02.300 the rich and the powerful and the white people that you claim are the ones who are holding up this

00:38:08.780 oppressive system. So in Kenosha, when they are burning down these churches, when they are burning

00:38:14.260 down car lots, when they are burning down buildings, you are not enacting justice. That is not justice.

00:38:23.160 You are punishing innocent people who did nothing to Jacob Blake, who did nothing to George Floyd,

00:38:28.200 who did nothing to any black person in America for the sake of anarchy. And they believe that this is

00:38:34.360 the only language that is going that they're going to hear and that is going to cause change. I guarantee

00:38:39.140 you it will go backwards. And so what we have to do in order to lower the temperature and actually

00:38:45.160 advance change, if we want positive change to happen, is to start with honesty. We have to start

00:38:50.880 with a truthful premise. We have to look at the statistics. For example, according to the Washington Post

00:38:56.740 and their database, 14 in 2019, 14 unarmed black men. Now it used to be nine a few weeks ago. So I

00:39:03.420 don't know how this changed, but 14 unarmed black people killed by the police in 2019. Their definition,

00:39:09.360 by the way, Washington Post of unarmed is very almost inaccurate. Like we don't know for sure that this

00:39:16.660 unarmed person, white or black, truly didn't have any kind of weapon. We don't know if they were

00:39:22.020 fighting the police. We don't know if they were trying to run the police over with their car.

00:39:25.200 We don't we don't know. All they're saying is that they didn't have like a knife or a gun on them.

00:39:29.920 They could have been resisting arrest in another way. We just don't know. I'm not saying that justifies

00:39:34.060 the police shooting, but just know that even the definition of unarmed by Washington Post is a little

00:39:40.320 bit I don't want to say sketchy, but it's a little bit liberal. But according to their database,

00:39:46.080 14 unarmed black people were killed by the police in 2019. 25 unarmed white people killed by the police

00:39:52.100 in 2019. And again, you can't make the argument. Well, that is, you know, black people only make 1.00

00:39:58.020 13% of the population and yet 35% of the unarmed police shootings. Again, you have to control for

00:40:04.120 all factors. Number of police interactions among each group, number of crimes committed among each

00:40:09.740 group as the studies that we already cited do. We don't even know in these cases. So 14 unarmed black

00:40:17.320 black people killed by the police in 2019. We don't know if the officers in all of those cases were

00:40:22.600 white. Probably not. Other studies show. I think it's also the Roland Fryer study that shows that 0.92

00:40:28.940 it's usually it's typically black police officers that are policing black communities. It is typically

00:40:35.780 Hispanic police officers that are policing Hispanic communities. I think that's a good thing. I think 1.00

00:40:40.740 that's how it should be. But we don't even know if all of these 14 unarmed black people killed by the

00:40:46.020 police in 2019 were by white police officers. So that is the number 25 unarmed white people

00:40:51.320 killed by the police in 2019. Jason Riley, who is also black says this in the Wall Street Journal,

00:40:58.940 and I understand this is controversial. This is what he says. This happens to be a fact. And this is his

00:41:04.480 analysis. Jason Riley says this, so long as blacks are committing more than half of all murders and 0.63

00:41:10.220 robberies while only making up 13% of the population and so long as almost all of their victims are their

00:41:15.540 neighbors. These communities will draw the lion's share of police attention. Defunding the police

00:41:20.480 or making it easier to prosecute officers will only result in more lives lost in those neighborhoods

00:41:25.280 that need protecting. And of course, we're seeing this right now. There's a surge in violence in these

00:41:30.500 inner cities that are mostly comprised of non-white people, of minority people in New York City,

00:41:36.000 in places like Chicago, that crime is through the roof. Homicides are through the roof in numbers that

00:41:46.240 we have not seen in decades. The majority of these victims are black young men, and it is because of 1.00

00:41:53.320 the neutering of the police. In New York, they decided to divert a billion dollars, I believe, away

00:42:00.560 from the NYPD. The same thing is happening in L.A. The same thing is happening in San Francisco.

00:42:06.120 The same thing is happening in Minneapolis. The same thing is happening in Austin. I put this on my

00:42:11.000 Instagram stories. There's a highlight on my Instagram that talks about all these and links

00:42:16.200 the articles to all these situations where these cities that are led by Democrats have decided that

00:42:20.920 they are going to neuter their police. They are going to weaken their police, take money away from their

00:42:25.700 police, and they are seeing the effects of that right now. Violent crime, homicides, which are

00:42:32.160 predominantly killing and affecting young black men. And I understand that people say, well, it's racist

00:42:39.860 to point that out. It's racist to point out what Jason Reilly said, but it's not. It doesn't say

00:42:45.220 anything about black people in general or inherently. It is just a statistic. It's just true that there is a 1.00

00:42:51.720 disproportionate number of violent crimes and homicides, unfortunately, in the black community.

00:42:56.840 And we can talk about what causes that. Yes, I believe that we can look at root causes, but that

00:43:02.560 is a fact. And that leads to a higher number of police interactions. That is the factor, again, that when we

00:43:08.580 look at these police interactions, that has to be controlled for. And Jason Reilly is also right in this

00:43:15.780 Wall Street Journal article, defunding the police or telling the police to stand down will only make

00:43:20.900 things worse. That is why, according to Gallup, that the majority of black people, the vast majority of 1.00

00:43:25.700 black people either want to maintain the level of policing that they have traditionally had, or they 0.98

00:43:30.060 want to increase the level of policing. Because it is law-abiding, innocent, and often vulnerable

00:43:35.480 black people, women, children, the elderly, the disabled in these inner cities that cannot protect 1.00

00:43:41.580 themselves, that need the police to keep them safe. And they don't have the money to leave these inner

00:43:45.880 cities when the police, because of their absence, have left them vulnerable. And so, again, they are

00:43:52.240 the ones that are disproportionately and negatively affected by these riots and this surge in crime

00:43:56.960 because the Democrats' decision to take away police presence. It hurts them. So, again, this is another

00:44:05.680 example of what Thomas Sowell calls cosmic justice in his book, Quest for Cosmic Justice. Social justice

00:44:13.620 is very often really what they mean by that is cosmic justice, this intangible thing that can't actually

00:44:20.080 be achieved because they want to accomplish some kind of completely equal utopia where there are no

00:44:26.920 disparities between people or between groups whatsoever, and it's never accomplishable.

00:44:32.420 And he argues that social justice actually very often is anti-social justice because what is

00:44:38.500 disregarded in social justice initiatives is the cost to society. So, a social justice initiative would

00:44:44.960 defunding the police or telling the police to stand down because you want there to be fewer cases of

00:44:51.000 police brutality. You want the number of 15 unarmed black people to go down in this country, and so

00:44:58.320 you want to defund the police and get rid of the police altogether. Okay, well, what's the other side of

00:45:03.800 that equation? The other side of that equation is that crime goes up, and now there are dozens and dozens of

00:45:08.720 young black men that are being killed by the hands of other black men. Is that better? So, do we not care about 1.00

00:45:15.880 black lives actually dying? Do we only care about how they die? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me if you

00:45:23.440 truly believe that black lives matter. The fact of the matter is that the number one and number two killers of young 1.00

00:45:29.400 black people in America is abortion and homicide. They are disproportionately represented in both

00:45:34.420 categories. And again, we can talk about the reasons why this is the case, but we have to be factual about this.

00:45:45.120 We do. In order to have an honest and a good conversation, to take the temperature down and to try to move

00:45:50.000 forward, we cannot jump to racism when we do not know. And that, of course, is what Joe Biden did. He sent out a

00:45:57.940 statement saying this is another example of systemic racism. This is racism. Of course, he doesn't put out

00:46:05.080 any statements when the races are exchanged, when they are different, when it's a white person killed

00:46:11.520 by a white police officer, a white person killed by a black police officer. This is the only instance in

00:46:15.720 which he says something. This is not what brings people together. This is what divides people. This is

00:46:20.680 what raises the temperature in this country. When you assume the motives of people without knowing, when you

00:46:25.740 spin a narrative that is not based on fact, I am not denying that we have problems. I'm not denying that

00:46:31.820 prejudice exists. I'm not denying that injustices in this country exist. Some of them exist in our

00:46:37.480 justice system. I agree with you, but we have to start at a factual premise. And yes, Christians are

00:46:44.660 bound to factual premises. Like we have to be. We are bound to objective truth. We are not bound to what

00:46:51.640 the media says. We are not bound to a narrative on the left or the right. We do not pledge allegiance

00:46:58.480 to the police. We do not defend the police no matter what. And also, we don't defend the other

00:47:03.960 side no matter what. We say, I don't know what happened in this situation. I am going to look at

00:47:08.200 the truth. I am going to look at the data. And then I am going to look at the Word of God for what

00:47:12.140 biblical justice looks like. This is what, according to God's Word, justice when it comes to due process

00:47:17.420 in the court of law. This is what justice looks like. Yes, there are other kinds of justice in

00:47:21.600 the Bible, like caring for the poor, caring for the least of these. But when we're talking about

00:47:26.420 justice of proving innocent or guilt, we don't assign those things according to people's skin

00:47:31.160 color, socioeconomic status as Marxism does. We assign them according to the facts at hand.

00:47:36.560 That is a biblical principle. Exodus 23, 1 through 3, you shall not spread a false report. You shall not

00:47:42.860 join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness. You shall not fall in with the many to

00:47:48.020 do evil, nor shall you bear witness in a lawsuit, siding with the many, so as to pervert justice,

00:47:54.540 nor shall you be partial to a poor man in his lawsuit. That's what Exodus 23, 1 through 3 says,

00:48:01.960 Leviticus 19, 15. You shall do no injustice in court. You shall not be partial to the poor,

00:48:07.200 nor defer to the great. But in righteousness shall you judge your neighbor. And so God is very

00:48:12.840 clear. You don't pick the side of the real oppressed or the perceived oppressed simply

00:48:18.460 because they are poor. And you don't side with the rich man or the great man or the famous man

00:48:23.940 or the white man, whoever it is, just because they have those characteristics. But in righteousness and

00:48:29.420 in truth, we judge our neighbor. Go read those passages, Exodus 23, 1 through 3, Leviticus 19, 15.

00:48:36.460 And no, we are not ancient Israel, but the principles of justice still apply. They're still good ideas.

00:48:42.840 Listen to Deuteronomy 19, 15 through 21. I won't read the whole thing. A single witness shall not 0.98

00:48:48.680 suffice against a person for any crime or in any wrong in connection with any offense that he has

00:48:54.400 committed. Only on the evidence of two witnesses or of three witnesses shall a charge be established.

00:49:01.640 And so he talks again about not partially judging someone, not assuming the motives of someone,

00:49:08.540 not incriminating someone just based on what you think or based on what a narrative is,

00:49:12.820 but based on what actual truth is. The New Testament makes clear that God's judgment and

00:49:17.460 therefore his definition of justice is impartial. Acts 10, 34, Peter preaching the gospel to the

00:49:23.180 Gentiles says this. So Peter opened his mouth and said, truly, I understand that God shows no

00:49:28.440 partiality, but in every nation, anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.

00:49:33.920 James 2, 8 through 9 says, if you really fulfill the royal law, according to scripture,

00:49:39.260 you shall love your neighbor as yourself, you are doing well. But if you show partiality,

00:49:45.560 you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. So God's justice is truthful,

00:49:51.000 impartial, proportional, and direct. So that means if a police officer or anyone does target someone

00:49:57.260 because of their skin color, does target someone because of their socioeconomic status,

00:50:01.260 that is also unjust according to God. But also if we incriminate someone based on something that we

00:50:06.460 assume based on a popular narrative, that is also unjust according to God. It is also unjust for us

00:50:12.460 to punish people, for activists to punish people who actually did not commit the crime by burning down

00:50:19.160 their cities. That is not justice. And as I've already talked about, that actually is not an effective

00:50:25.020 means of change. We've had very effective means of change. We have progressed so much as a country

00:50:29.920 in this way through peaceful and democratic means. So it is a myth to say this is the only language that

00:50:35.220 people hear. It is false. It is just anarchy based on a faulty worldview, based on a postmodern

00:50:41.020 godless worldview that Christians should have no problem condemning in the same way that we should 1.00

00:50:45.580 be condemning all forms of injustice, by the way. So the truth is important. The truth matters.

00:50:51.260 The Bible, the biblical worldview matters. And this is another reason why I could not vote for Joe Biden

00:50:56.400 because he just like Barack Obama did it every chance he got. He racialized something that we

00:51:01.780 just didn't know. It might be racialized. It might have a racial motive, but we just didn't know

00:51:06.240 whether it was racial or not. And to make that assumption, to spin that narrative, to only put our

00:51:11.580 attention on something that happens when it's a white person versus a black person raises the

00:51:16.060 temperature. It raises the tensions. It makes the likelihood of violence higher. I'm not blaming Joe Biden

00:51:24.140 for the violence. I'm not. But it exacerbates the tensions and the divisions that are going on.

00:51:30.200 Everyone says that President Trump is the most divisive president out there, and they don't see

00:51:34.420 how Barack Obama ignited these tensions so much while he was president, just in the subtle way that

00:51:39.360 he made everything that didn't have to do with race about race. Some things do have to do with race,

00:51:43.900 but a lot of things don't. And again, for us to make that assumption without looking at the facts,

00:51:48.120 for us to abandon biblical justice and biblical truth in exchange for a social justice narrative,

00:51:53.780 that only creates bitterness and anger and resentment, rather than reconciliation,

00:51:58.520 the thing that we all say that we want, then we are in sin. And that is not good. We can disagree

00:52:04.760 on this subject, but we've got to start with honest and truthful premises. Okay, that's all I have time

00:52:10.000 for today. I really want to talk about the RNC. The RNC has been pretty good, y'all. It's been pretty

00:52:15.280 good. Like, I'm very impressed. I underestimated the RNC, to be perfectly honest. Now, I thought the

00:52:21.100 DNC had a lot of good parts, too, if I were a Democrat. I obviously think that the DNC is a

00:52:27.460 Trojan horse for extremism and for the things that we're seeing in our major cities right now. But I

00:52:32.740 thought they did a pretty good job. I thought Michelle Obama, for example, gave a compelling

00:52:37.720 address to the Democratic voters. But in my opinion, you've got doom and gloom of the DNC who truly

00:52:43.860 believe that America is this horrible on the inside, just a rotting place. And then you've got the RNC who

00:52:49.460 was saying, look, we have our flaws, we have our problems, we have our injustices. But America

00:52:53.920 is a good country where people of all kinds can thrive by living their life according to certain

00:52:59.880 principles. And they've had a diverse range of people speak. And I'm very impressed. I'm very

00:53:07.540 impressed by that. I don't know if it's going to make a dent in the voting. Who knows? It's going to

00:53:13.200 be a bunch of craziness. Anyway, I understand controversial episode. It's going to make some people mad.

00:53:18.560 You can reach out to me. You can let me know if it is. I'm happy to hear your perspective. You can send

00:53:22.980 me counterfex. You can send me links. It's okay to have emotions in regard to this conversation. It is

00:53:28.280 emotional. That's fine. Emotions aren't bad. But again, we have to have a truthful premise. Okay, that's

00:53:34.040 all for today. I will see you guys back here on Friday.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - August 26, 2020

Ep 293 ｜ Why Police Shootings Need Context

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