Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 300 ｜ Trump vs. Biden 2020： Immigration

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. I hope everyone had a great weekend. Today

00:00:14.420 we are continuing our election series and we are talking about immigration. We took a

00:00:20.060 break last week for Labor Day and we did a replay why feminism will fail you. So you

00:00:26.200 can go back and listen to that if you'd like. But this is our election series. We've talked

00:00:31.460 about abortion. We have talked about religious liberty. And now we are talking about immigration.

00:00:37.840 Immigration actually hasn't really been in the news a lot lately, but it has been within

00:00:43.600 Trump's term. And there are a lot of you who have friends who have said the reason why I

00:00:49.120 am not voting for Donald Trump is because of his immigration policy that they think is

00:00:52.940 cruel, they think is not Christian, they believe is not pro-life. There was a New York Times

00:00:59.460 article a couple of years ago that I covered at the time, and it was interviewing two women,

00:01:07.060 I think actually out of Texas, who are evangelical Christians who had voted Republican their entire

00:01:12.320 adult lives and decided that they could no longer do so because they believed that Trump's border

00:01:19.040 policy was not what they called a pro-life or what a lot of people call pro-life. And what they mean

00:01:26.920 by that is that, okay, pro-life is not just being anti-abortion. It is being pro-life in all stages

00:01:33.380 of life, in all different segments of policy. Now, I don't like that redefinition. Pro-life is pro-life.

00:01:42.720 It is anti-abortion. That doesn't mean that you can't also advocate for other policies that you

00:01:48.740 think support life, but it doesn't simply mean being pro-all liberal policies. And that's what

00:01:55.080 a lot of people on the left have tried to do. They have tried to say, well, if you're really pro-life,

00:01:59.660 then you're going to be for all these liberal programs and policies that support, for example,

00:02:05.140 unconditional welfare and open borders and things like that. And I just am not going to acquiesce to

00:02:10.440 the redefinition of a term which has a clear definition, and that is being against the murder of

00:02:17.240 unborn children. Again, you can be for other policies that you believe support life, but you

00:02:23.260 don't have to be for all the liberal policies that they say support life that conservatives don't

00:02:28.740 actually believe are helpful or productive or good. So resist that redefinition. You can say that we

00:02:36.220 need strong borders and we need good border policy, and we believe in legal immigration, not illegal

00:02:42.400 immigration and still be pro-life. Do not give in to the pressure that says, no, no, no, no, you have

00:02:49.460 to believe in open borders. You can't believe in the construction of a wall and still call yourself

00:02:53.900 pro-life. Well, I'm sorry. The people who believe in the dismemberment of babies in the womb don't get

00:02:59.900 to tell me what is pro-life and what is not. So again, resist the redefinition of that term. We have to be

00:03:07.540 able to talk about subjects as they come, and we have to be able to do so from a biblical worldview.

00:03:14.180 Immigration is a subject on which Christians are going to disagree in good faith, and that is okay.

00:03:20.700 So whereas abortion, I really don't think a biblical Christian, as if there is any other kind of

00:03:27.780 Christian, but a true Christian who is following Christ and is seeking to align their worldview to the

00:03:33.100 word of God, I do not believe that you can have a nuanced view on abortion. I don't believe that

00:03:39.200 you can be pro-abortion or pro the legalization of the murder of babies and have a biblical worldview.

00:03:47.720 I am not questioning your salvation. Maybe you're at a certain point in your sanctification. We all

00:03:53.080 learn and grow. I certainly have, even in that particular subject. But a biblical worldview says that

00:04:00.720 the murder of babies is wrong, period, end of story. Now, with immigration, there are so many

00:04:06.840 complexities. There are so many intricacies when it comes to border policy and immigration policy

00:04:12.820 that Bible-believing Christians, again, there is no other kinds, but just to clarify, since they're

00:04:19.420 nominal Christians, Christians in name only, and Christians who actually believe and abide by the Bible,

00:04:24.520 I qualify that. Bible-believing Christians who are going to disagree on this, and that is okay.

00:04:31.660 That doesn't make one side any more or less Christian. It might make one side more wrong,

00:04:38.080 but that doesn't mean that they are less genuine in their faith. But it is important for us to get

00:04:43.860 this right. Now, as I say, pretty much at the front of all of these election episodes, we're not going

00:04:49.860 to be able to get into every single nook and cranny of immigration and immigration policy in the United

00:04:57.460 States. I actually did a podcast episode a year ago last summer, a little over a year ago, called

00:05:04.000 Immigration. That's what it's titled. You can just type that into YouTube. You can type it into wherever

00:05:10.380 you listen to your podcast. So on the podcast app, you can type in relatable immigration. It should come

00:05:15.640 up. And I did go into more detail than I will today about what the United States immigration

00:05:21.620 system looks like, what are some of the problems, why Republicans and Democrats have failed on this,

00:05:27.500 the different Republican and Democrat positions. And we will go into some of that today, but we don't

00:05:33.080 have time to go into all of it because I have to compare the two tickets. And as I've also said on

00:05:38.600 some other election episodes, it's not just the two tickets, or it's not even mainly the two tickets

00:05:44.400 that I'm looking at. It is the two parties that I'm looking at. Because remember, we are voting not

00:05:49.600 mostly for a person. We are voting for a party. We are voting for an administration. We are voting for

00:05:56.240 an entire platform. And most of all, we are voting for a worldview. So first, I want to talk through

00:06:02.020 some facts about immigration in the United States. Before I do that, I just want to remind you guys about

00:06:08.480 my book, You're Not Enough and That's Okay, Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love. We do talk about

00:06:14.880 politics actually a little bit in this book. We talk about social justice versus real justice. We talk

00:06:19.740 about cancel culture. We talk about socialism versus capitalism, the importance of hard work. But this

00:06:25.460 book is about a worldview, a worldview that is centered on yourself and why it is going to fail you and why

00:06:31.780 believing these messages that sound good and that feel good, these messages of self-love,

00:06:37.080 actually leads you to a faulty worldview that will not only make you miserable, but will break down

00:06:41.880 society if we all buy into it. So I encourage you to pick up the book if you haven't already. You can

00:06:47.100 go to AllieBethStuckey.com slash book. Join my book club on Facebook where we discussed this and all the

00:06:52.700 books that we've read together. It's Women's Book Club with Allie Stuckey. We're reading a book by

00:06:57.340 Thomas Sowell right now, Discrimination and Disparities. If you are a woman who wants to join, would love for

00:07:01.940 you to do that. But again, go to AllieBethStuckey.com slash book to pick up my book if you have not already.

00:07:08.020 OK, some facts about immigration in the United States. Number one, according to Pew Research, by a wide

00:07:14.700 margin, America has more immigrants than any other nation on Earth. The estimate is that 44.8 million

00:07:22.620 people in the United States are immigrants, illegal or legal. That was the number in 2018, which was a

00:07:30.500 record high. The vast majority, about 77 percent, are here legally. But we have about 11 million illegal

00:07:38.400 immigrants in the country. We also, number two point, we accept more legal immigrants every year

00:07:45.380 than any other country by far, excepting over one million annually. So America accepts the most

00:07:52.740 immigrants every year. One fifth of all the world's migrants reside in the United States. Immigrants make

00:08:00.120 up 13.7 percent of the United States population. So a huge portion of the United States is made up of

00:08:07.820 immigrants. Most of America's immigrants come from Mexico. The second most come from China, then third

00:08:14.160 India. We have very few Americans that leave our country to emigrate elsewhere, to go live into

00:08:20.960 another to go live in another country. So this is going to take me down a little rabbit hole, which I

00:08:27.580 know that I harp on this a lot, but it's so important because of the presiding narrative that I believe is

00:08:33.520 tearing apart a large portion of our country and burning our cities down. I just want to use these

00:08:39.860 statistics to push back against the anti-American narrative that is so prevalent right now. The idea

00:08:46.500 that America is this evil caste system, that it is systemically unjust against people who are not

00:08:54.060 white, that it pushes down the poor. It doesn't allow for equal opportunity and equal justice. That

00:09:00.320 message, that idea has not been effectively relayed to the millions and millions of people who come here

00:09:07.000 every year over any other country in the world. We keep hearing how unjust and unfair America is. And

00:09:13.380 as I've said before, you don't have to tell me that America has injustices, that America has

00:09:18.660 unfairness. Again, America slaughters hundreds of thousands of babies in the womb every year in this

00:09:26.620 country. There are unfortunately problems with our justice system that disproportionately affect the poor.

00:09:32.360 There are unjust parts of our system, but we keep hearing that America is endemically, systemically

00:09:38.840 unjust, that there is no part of our country that is redeemable or good or that has offered equal

00:09:44.300 opportunity, equal liberty and equal justice for all. But if that is the case, then why do we have millions of

00:09:50.960 people coming here? Why do we have over a million immigrants coming here every year? If socialism, for

00:09:57.360 example, is so much better than capitalism. And that is what we're hearing from the AOC wing of the

00:10:03.220 Democratic Party, from the people that are tearing down our cities, from organizations like BLM and

00:10:08.400 Antifa, that capitalism is bad, that capitalism oppresses. Why don't people ever leave capitalist

00:10:13.400 countries to go to socialist ones? Why is it always people coming from socialist countries to

00:10:18.140 capitalist ones? If capitalism is so bad and America is so bad and socialism is so good,

00:10:24.460 why are people fleeing socialist totalitarian countries to come to capitalist countries? You're

00:10:29.740 going to have to riddle me that before you tell me that we need to tear down our country and rebuild

00:10:34.360 the country in the way of communism and socialism. All the people saying that America is a caste system.

00:10:50.460 Tell that to the millions of Indian immigrants who escaped an actual caste system to come here for

00:10:56.040 opportunity. The middle class in India makes anywhere from $7,700 to $15,400 per year in India. Most people in

00:11:07.040 India, as most of you know, are very poor. It is impossible in India to become rich just by

00:11:13.640 entrepreneurism, by merit and by hard work and by opportunity. You are usually, the vast majority of the time, if not

00:11:20.280 all the time, stuck in your lot in life, if you stay there in India. That is a caste system. It is based on your

00:11:26.960 ethnicity. It is based on the station in which you are born, the family that you were born to, not your

00:11:32.480 talent, not your hard work, not your grit or your ambition. In America, households headed by Indian

00:11:39.320 immigrants have a median income, according to migrantpolicy.org, of over $107,000. A median income.

00:11:48.560 Indian Americans, Indian immigrants in America, a median income of $107,000. The median income for

00:11:55.820 native-born Americans is $56,000. This is a quote from the website. Just 7% of Indian immigrants

00:12:03.740 lived in poverty in the United States in 2015, a much lower rate than the foreign-born population

00:12:08.740 overall, and the U.S.-born, 17% and 14% respectively. So you want to talk about a caste system, why don't you

00:12:15.880 talk to an Indian immigrant? He was coming from a place where the middle class makes anywhere from

00:12:20.960 $7,000 to $15,000 in U.S. dollars a year in India, and they are stuck in that lot in life forever.

00:12:29.420 And compare that, ask them to compare and contrast that to living here, where the median income for

00:12:34.600 Indian immigrants is $107,000, $50,000 more than U.S.-born people. In India, at least 44% of the

00:12:45.120 country live in severe poverty. In America, only 7% of Indians live in poverty. And our poverty in the

00:12:51.000 United States is nothing like the poverty in India. The poor here are rich compared to the poor in India

00:12:56.960 and rich compared to the poor in virtually every other country in the world. So again, for all this

00:13:02.860 talk about the American dream being a mirage, about it not being real, being just a myth, America not

00:13:09.500 being a land of opportunity, operating in a white supremacist caste system, it is just not true. It's

00:13:15.580 not factual. The group with the highest median income in America is not white Americans. It is Asian

00:13:21.420 Americans. $87,000 earned, median income versus $87,000 earned versus about $65,000 earned for

00:13:33.000 white Americans. So I ask you, would it be possible for a systemically racist country, we're talking

00:13:40.020 systemically, so that means everything, all of the systems and institutions in America are racist. That

00:13:45.140 is the argument that is being made by many on the left right now. That is systemically racist. America

00:13:52.480 is towards non-white people. Would it be set up so that brown immigrants and non-white non-immigrants

00:13:59.560 can become wildly financially successful, more successful than our native-born populations, more

00:14:04.720 successful on average than our white populations? Now, I am not using that to say that racism does not

00:14:10.840 exist again, or that injustice doesn't exist in America, but it is hard to make the argument that

00:14:17.260 the American system is set up by and for white supremacy, when in fact, white people are not

00:14:23.900 supreme, even in the aspect of financial success. According to the National Center for Education

00:14:28.620 Studies, Asian Americans have the highest high school graduation rates and college graduation rates

00:14:34.780 among all ethnicities in America. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Asian Americans

00:14:40.000 have the lowest unemployment rate. It's interesting to note that Asian Americans also have the highest

00:14:45.820 rate of two-parent homes, which I believe has a lot to do with the rest of their general success.

00:14:51.860 Now, not all of those that I am talking about in all of those statistics are immigrants, not all

00:14:57.020 those Asian Americans that I'm talking about, but that is not my point. My point is that it's easy to see

00:15:02.000 why people come here, because there is no other country on earth where an ethnic minority group

00:15:07.740 could go and be more successful across a variety of categories than the ethnic majority group.

00:15:13.460 That just doesn't happen in other places on earth. Think about the fact. Think about this.

00:15:19.540 A Somali immigrant, Ilhan Omar, has become a congresswoman and has become one of the most

00:15:25.320 prominent figures on the left by calling for the complete transformation of capitalism,

00:15:30.320 or really the destruction of capitalism and a transformation of the American economy,

00:15:34.860 a destruction and transformation of the American rule of law. She has become famous by accusing

00:15:41.100 America of being a place of injustice and evil. This is a woman who has laughed about the threat of

00:15:46.460 the terrorist regime, Hamas, described 9-11 as, quote, some people did something and who advanced

00:15:52.480 or who advocated on behalf of ISIS terrorists in her district when she was a state representative

00:15:57.600 in Minnesota. This woman, this immigrant, has become famous because of and in spite of these

00:16:05.000 things that she has done and said. She has made it her mission in life and in her career to stand

00:16:09.900 against all that has made America both good and great. And she is prominent, praised, and gracing the

00:16:16.500 covers of magazines. And you want to tell me, there are people who want to tell me that America won't

00:16:22.060 accept or elevate anyone, no matter where they come from, no matter what they look like, no matter

00:16:27.300 what their beliefs are. Is there another country on earth, maybe Britain, who would allow and glorify

00:16:34.100 this? Do you think that any white person could immigrate to a non-white country and build a career

00:16:39.540 off of saying how awful the country and their leadership is? It just wouldn't happen. It could not

00:16:45.380 happen. America went from segregation, horrible, horrible thing, segregation, to having a black

00:16:52.740 president win in a landslide twice in a row in less than 50 years, to having a black Supreme Court

00:16:58.580 justice and black attorneys general and black secretaries of state, black billionaires. Let's not

00:17:04.200 act like America has not made tremendous strides in the area of liberty and justice for all and equality

00:17:12.020 through peaceful and democratic means. So for all the people saying America doesn't listen to peace,

00:17:17.280 America is this terrible place. We have to be violent. We have to riot. We have to loot. What

00:17:21.800 are you talking about? If you think that America is even remotely close to where we were in the 1960s,

00:17:28.320 you are naive. You just don't know. We were moving in the right direction until the onslaught of identity

00:17:36.700 politics and intersectionality and critical theory, largely thanks to the rhetoric of the Obama

00:17:41.940 administration and the cancer that has infiltrated our academia. All of that has accomplished exactly

00:17:48.940 what those philosophies aim to accomplish, which is dividing and building resentment. All we had to do

00:17:55.480 was keep going in the direction that we were going, better manifesting our founding ideals of liberty and

00:18:02.300 justice for all. And we were doing well, but now we are going backward. Colleges and organizations

00:18:08.480 talking about segregating white and black students for safe spaces. America has not become more racist,

00:18:16.440 but talking about racism has become more lucrative. Talking about critical theory and intersectionality

00:18:22.240 has become trendy. In some cases, victimhood, perpetual victimhood, grievance studies have become

00:18:30.480 more lucrative and more trendy. And so we are in a place that is more divided and more resentful

00:18:37.480 than we have been in decades. So instead of being able to say, here is where real injustice exists,

00:18:42.520 we have gone off the rails into the realm of calling everything injustice. We look at disparities

00:18:48.580 and point to discrimination without looking at all the factors that play into disparities. The cultural

00:18:54.560 movement from the left has become cancerous for our society because it denies the good parts of America,

00:19:00.240 the great parts of our system, and shreds our shared identity as people who want a more just,

00:19:06.200 more equal society based on our founding values. America is unique in our founding values.

00:19:14.500 We are good. And the immigrants around the world, the millions and millions who have come here for a

00:19:20.540 better life, they know this. There is no other country on earth where you can come here as an

00:19:25.300 ethnic minority and be considered a new nationality. Ronald Reagan said something like this, and I'm

00:19:31.420 paraphrasing. You can never move to France and become French. You can't move to Russia or Ghana or

00:19:36.780 Mexico or Sweden and become Russian or Ghana or Mexican or Swedish. It just won't happen. You will

00:19:42.500 always be a foreign national or you will always be a foreigner in a new place. Even if you become a

00:19:49.360 citizen, you won't become French or become Russian, but you can move to America from anywhere on earth,

00:19:55.540 become a citizen, and you are an American just as much as someone whose ancestors have been here

00:20:01.480 since the Mayflower. Let's not deny that that's an amazing miracle that has never been the case

00:20:06.520 in any country in all of history. That is part of what makes America the greatest country on earth.

00:20:13.540 We are unique. We are uniquely welcoming, uniquely multicultural, uniquely fair. Again, that doesn't mean

00:20:21.780 that we haven't ever been unwelcoming or ever been xenophobic or ever been unfair. Every country on

00:20:27.520 earth has. Every single one. Far more and far greater than America has, by the way, and far longer

00:20:33.560 than America has. Every society has had slavery. Every society has, quote, stolen land, by the way.

00:20:40.000 People say America is on stolen land. Well, the Native Americans were also stealing land from each other.

00:20:45.460 Every country on earth is on some kind of conquered or, quote, stolen land. That is the history of the

00:20:51.260 world. Unfortunately, we don't have to like it. We don't have to condone it. We don't have to glorify

00:20:56.020 it. But that's the case. America is not unique in that. Every society has had slavery. Every ethnic

00:21:02.720 group, black, brown, white, has enslaved either their own ethnic groups or other ethnic groups.

00:21:09.020 Africans owned and sold Africans into slavery. Africans owned and sold Europeans. Europeans owned

00:21:14.940 and sold Africans. American Indians owned African slaves in America. African Americans owned African

00:21:20.580 slaves in America. Every group on earth has at one point been an oppressor. And every group on earth

00:21:27.880 has at one point been oppressed. That is the truth about history that those who say America is uniquely

00:21:33.840 evil and racism and slavery are unique to white people simply do not want to face. Critical race

00:21:40.500 theory won't allow that kind of humble admission. People cannot be neatly categorized into oppression

00:21:46.640 groups based on their skin color, nationality, or ancestry. We should, therefore, not assign guilt or

00:21:53.360 innocent sympathy or malice to people according to their race. The fact is, America has fought wars

00:22:00.820 against slavery, against fascism, against communism, against terrorism. And while we are far from perfect,

00:22:07.400 no other nation holds a candle to our fight for equal liberty and justice for all, both here and abroad.

00:22:14.020 And yet, the movement from the left right now is based on the false premise that America has never

00:22:20.200 been free or fair, that all white people are complicit in racism or actively racist, that America is a

00:22:26.200 white supremacist country built on white supremacy, and that it must be taken down to the ground,

00:22:31.160 completely destroyed and transformed into a system in which white people are robbed of power and capital

00:22:35.760 so it can be distributed to non-white people that white people have allegedly oppressed.

00:22:41.500 But that is simply not true. As we have said over and over, America is built on good founding principles

00:22:48.340 that have been implemented imperfectly throughout our history, and every good step forward that we have

00:22:54.040 taken has been closer, a step closer to those founding principles, not away from them. It is in better

00:23:00.260 understanding and better manifesting our founding principles that we progress, not in tearing them

00:23:06.120 down. Now, I know it seems like maybe that doesn't have anything to do with immigration, but it

00:23:11.480 actually does. We have to start with a truthful premise here. And all of these reasons that I have

00:23:17.680 listed are why immigrants come here. They come here for these ideals that I've described. They come here

00:23:24.940 because they know, despite what the ungrateful Marxists in this country say, America is the land of

00:23:30.700 opportunity. It is the land of the refugee and the asylum seeker. It is the land that allows a person

00:23:37.340 who starts at the bottom to work their way to the top, no matter who their parents were, no matter what

00:23:42.620 they look like. That is why immigrants come to America more than any other country on earth. Because

00:23:47.940 even though politicians talk about the poor and talk about the impoverished in this country, what they're

00:23:52.960 actually talking about is not a fixed category of people. Only 8% of people who are in the lowest

00:23:59.320 economic bracket in society will actually stay poor. The vast majority of people in America who

00:24:04.960 are in the lowest economic bracket, according to Thomas Sowell, he talks about this a lot, move up in

00:24:10.480 society. That is why people come here. And I know that it seems like we have gone down a subject that is

00:24:19.020 away from immigration. But I just want to reiterate for any liberal who is listening to this, the narrative

00:24:25.420 that you have perhaps come to believe about America is a lie. We are not perfect. We've had

00:24:31.840 injustices, discrimination, prejudice, no doubt. But America is not a systemically racist country today

00:24:37.520 in 2020. We are not set up for the supremacy of white people. And that is why more immigrants come

00:24:43.260 here every year than to any other country by far. I have suggested many times I would trade all of the

00:24:50.760 communists in America for any freedom loving immigrants from any country in the world. I would

00:24:57.680 buy their tickets tomorrow. I'm sure that if I started to go fund me for the communist exchange

00:25:02.860 program, the communist slash liberty lovers exchange program that I could raise millions and millions of

00:25:09.100 dollars. So don't tell me that conservatives are anti-immigrant. I know every conservative that I know

00:25:16.440 would be on board with something like that. So it is it is a myth that conservatives are anti-immigration

00:25:23.280 or anti-immigrant. We are pro-America. We are pro-liberty. We are pro-law and order, which means

00:25:29.580 that we are anti-illegal immigration because there are immigrants who have been waiting in line for years

00:25:36.000 to go through this process correctly. And they deserve to be honored by safeguarding the integrity of the

00:25:41.500 process as much as we can. It is a matter of safety to protect the border, not just for our citizens,

00:25:48.200 but for the thousands of women and children being trafficked at the southern border each year,

00:25:52.960 a problem exacerbated by weak borders and weak border policy. Conservatives believe in the sovereignty

00:25:59.660 of nations. So that means that every nation, again, has the right and responsibility to have clear,

00:26:05.820 defined borders, to protect those borders by enforcing the law on those borders,

00:26:10.840 and to deport people who have broken the law by coming into the country illegally or overstaying

00:26:16.060 their visa illegally. We believe every nation has the right to decide who can and cannot come into

00:26:22.560 their country. And in America, we believe that the standard of who can and cannot come into the

00:26:31.240 country is should be both fair and compassionate. What that means is that we believe immigration should be

00:26:38.840 A, merit-based, B, for the reunification of immediate family members, and or C, for true refugees and

00:26:47.440 asylum seekers. Right now, America has something called the Visa Lottery Program, which means we have

00:26:53.240 to meet certain quotas of immigrants from particular countries. I believe this started under George H.W.

00:26:59.480 Bush. And we also have chain migration, which means that family members of U.S. residents,

00:27:03.860 either citizens or green card holders, are prioritized. But these are not usually immediate

00:27:09.520 family members. This is a distant relative. So this creates something called a chain of migration that

00:27:16.480 is based not on merit, but even on distant familial connection, which means that there will be a limit

00:27:22.560 on those who come here based on their own merits. And I would say that that is unfair. So we believe the

00:27:29.120 United States has the right and responsibility to choose immigrants that are most likely to work,

00:27:34.660 that are most likely to provide for their family, who are most likely to be law-abiding citizens.

00:27:40.500 There is no religious or political ideology test, but we do believe that the people who come here

00:27:46.940 should share our values of liberty, justice, hard work, personal responsibility, and that they should be

00:27:53.620 able to demonstrate those things before becoming legal citizens. But most conservatives also believe

00:28:00.800 in prioritizing people who are reuniting with immediate family members, so parents to their children

00:28:06.680 or children to their parents. We also believe in the importance of accepting a certain number of refugees

00:28:14.080 and asylum seekers every year. Refugees, according to the United States, are, quote,

00:28:20.100 admitted to the United States based upon an inability to return to their home countries because of a

00:28:27.520 well-founded fear of persecution due to their race, membership in a particular social group,

00:28:32.620 political opinion, religion, or national origin. Refugees must apply for status outside of the U.S.

00:28:40.000 in what would be considered a, quote, transition country, so a neighboring country where a credible

00:28:45.100 democracy is established. Admission for refugees is based off various factors from the risk they face

00:28:53.020 to the amount of people at risk in their specifically targeted group. The president,

00:28:57.980 with consultation from Congress, determines the number of refugees per year. Asylum is similar to

00:29:04.660 the refugee status in that the visa status is granted off of fear of harm. However, the biggest

00:29:10.980 difference, the biggest differences are that, one, they may apply any port of entry at the time that

00:29:17.340 they seek admission, and two, there is no limit on the number of individuals who may be granted

00:29:22.300 an asylum status. So being granted asylum is not an easy feat. It's a multi-year process that involves

00:29:29.440 likely detainment, multiple interviews, extensive documentation of an immigrant's prior suffering,

00:29:35.220 and less than great odds. So it's not guaranteed that you will be granted asylum. That's not just

00:29:42.340 in the United States. That's everywhere. And the United States is very generous in granting asylum

00:29:48.260 and refugee status to people who come here. And as difficult as that is, that we cannot accept every

00:29:55.160 single asylum seeker, every single refugee. That is okay. Everyone who leaves their country for

00:30:02.140 America is seeking a better life. That does not make everyone coming to America an asylum seeker or

00:30:07.800 refugee. And it does not mean that America has the unlimited and unconditional capacity to accept

00:30:14.360 everyone who comes here for a better life. No country on earth does that. You can't do that and maintain

00:30:20.500 your sovereignty and maintain your national security. You do as much as you can, as much as is feasible,

00:30:26.660 looking at the needs of your country, looking at how efficient and how effective your current process

00:30:33.120 is. And you make your decision based on that as compassionately as you can, both for the citizens

00:30:39.020 of your country and for the people fleeing persecution and violence. It is a balanced decision that is not

00:30:45.680 as easy as just saying, let them all in. America has led the world in refugee resettlement for decades,

00:30:52.560 far and away the number one country for refugee acceptance, according to Pew Research. So again,

00:30:57.440 this idea that America is this uniquely evil place, again, you're going to have to explain to me why not

00:31:04.340 only we accept more immigrants every year than any other country, but specifically more refugees every

00:31:09.580 year than any other country. Under Reagan, we allowed the most refugees into the country ever.

00:31:15.800 Under Trump, however, and some people have a problem with this, they did lower the number of

00:31:20.980 refugees that we would accept each year. The thought was behind lowering it to 18,000, which was a big

00:31:28.180 decrease in the cap. That doesn't mean that you have to accept that many refugees per year, but it is the

00:31:35.260 maximum number of refugees that you can accept. And the thought behind it was that we have a very

00:31:42.260 bogged down immigration system, which is true. We need to process the people applying for refugee status

00:31:47.280 now. Though seeking legal entry, we need to pump the brakes on allowing so many refugees in. That was

00:31:55.020 the thought behind this, so we can handle the people trying to come in right now. But understandably,

00:32:00.820 this has caused concern, especially among Christians. We know the Bible is clear about

00:32:05.520 helping the foreigner and helping the stranger. Now, some people misuse that verse to say that means we

00:32:11.700 have to have open borders. We don't have any border policy. We don't have any deportation.

00:32:16.380 We don't have any limits or any conditions whatsoever on who can come into the country. Again, all of

00:32:22.140 that would make us effectively not a country. And that is not something that is advocated by Scripture

00:32:27.020 at all. The Bible is very clear that borders are legitimate and that countries are legitimate.

00:32:33.920 Acts 17, 26 says, and he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth,

00:32:40.640 having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place. Of course,

00:32:46.300 we know that even though America and no country here on earth is a representation of what ancient

00:32:54.780 Israel was. And so I'm not trying to make that direct comparison, but we can look at God's definitions

00:33:00.700 of justice for ancient Israel. And we can see that he clearly believed in boundaries. He clearly

00:33:06.580 believed in a nation's sovereignty. He clearly believed in laws and protections and rights and

00:33:11.740 privileges for citizens of a country. And he also believed in extending compassion for the foreigner.

00:33:18.080 But again, that doesn't mean that we simply get rid of all kind of border policy or immigration law at

00:33:27.800 all. That would make not only our own citizens vulnerable, it would mean that no one could come here

00:33:34.860 for actual protection because there is no process in which people who should not be here are filtered

00:33:42.040 out. Now, I don't think that lowering the level of refugees that we accept each year should be a top

00:33:51.460 priority. Like I said, the Trump administration cut that drastically. I don't think that that change is,

00:33:59.080 like I said, a top priority or even necessary. I want us to be a country that accepts as many refugees as we

00:34:07.020 feasibly can and as we compassionately can. There is a lot of anger surrounding that and surrounding that

00:34:16.360 issue. Some of it is real. I think some of it is very manufactured. But it is important to me as a Christian

00:34:22.660 that we continue to be a refuge for those who are fleeing violence and who are fleeing persecution.

00:34:29.740 And I think most Christians would agree with me on that. But again, there is a balance and there has

00:34:35.140 to be a reasonable discussion surrounding that. There's also a lot of frustration, manufactured or

00:34:41.440 real, about people being detained at the border who are seeking asylum. But again, there must be a process

00:34:47.520 for that. There's a reason why those people are detained. It's not because they are being punished.

00:34:52.660 It's because we have to know who they are, where they're coming from, why they're seeking asylum. If

00:34:57.360 it's legitimate, assign a court date for their hearing, figure out where they will stay, check to see

00:35:03.040 if the children that are with them are safe or even are their children or if they are being trafficked.

00:35:09.540 There has to be a process. There must be laws. There must be rules. There must be detainment

00:35:15.500 at the border, at least temporary detainment. For years, we had a catch and release policy.

00:35:22.200 We actually still have that today and I'll get to that in a second. But it says that people who

00:35:27.880 illegally cross the border and are detained must be released into America. You can obviously see why

00:35:35.200 that is a problem. This is still going on under the Trump administration. He has tried to put an end

00:35:41.660 to it, especially through the very controversial zero tolerance policy under Attorney General Jeff

00:35:48.300 Sessions. The zero tolerance policy said that all illegal entry into the United States would

00:35:53.420 criminally convict first-time offenders rather than just facing civil and administrative proceedings.

00:36:01.400 Prior to this, criminal conviction was only for those who crossed the border, were removed,

00:36:05.640 and then crossed the border again illegally. So this policy in practice led to the separation

00:36:12.700 of children and parents. You probably remember the hubbub about this. Previously, parents and

00:36:18.020 children who crossed the border illegally were detained and released together. But because the Trump

00:36:23.240 administration made crossing the border illegally the first time a felony, which meant that the parents

00:36:29.960 were held in prison while kids were under the supervision of the DHS, that meant that the parents and the

00:36:37.000 kids were going to be separated. So the point of the zero tolerance policy was to deter illegal crossings

00:36:43.240 and to end catch and release. The policy itself was not to separate kids from their parents, but

00:36:49.140 that was the consequence of the policy. There was also an aspect of this that had to do with human

00:36:55.780 trafficking. Unfortunately, many children who travel with adults to cross the border are not with their

00:37:02.380 real parents. Either they are being trafficked or because of the policy that has said that children

00:37:09.840 cannot be detained for more than 20 days and must be detained and released with their parents.

00:37:14.880 Many illegal immigrants reportedly use children to increase their chances of being released into the

00:37:21.560 United States. However, Trump did reverse course on the zero tolerance policy. After the media uproar,

00:37:28.720 the administration tried enforcing the zero tolerance policy while keeping the families or the purported

00:37:34.280 families together. But it logistically couldn't work with the laws that were on the books. So the zero

00:37:40.620 tolerance policy effectively ended in 2018. So this was very much a problem. I understand the desire to

00:37:50.120 deter illegal crossings. Obviously, I share that concern and that priority. I think that's necessary.

00:37:56.480 And honestly, if we had a wall, that would be much easier to do. But the indefinite separation of

00:38:02.260 children from their parents is just not something I can support. It's just not something I can get on

00:38:07.400 board with. Again, I understand the purpose of the zero tolerance policy. I do believe that crossing the

00:38:13.340 border illegally should be a felony to deter people from attempting that. If they need to seek asylum, they can do

00:38:20.500 that at a legal point of entry. However, I cannot support any policy that is going to separate a child from

00:38:28.980 their real parent. I just can't do it. I understand the arguments from the conservative side that if parents

00:38:34.160 commit a crime that they get put in jail, they're there and they get put in jail, they are going to be

00:38:39.960 separated from their parents. The child is and parents who cross the border are committing a

00:38:44.400 crime. And so that is obviously going to end in separation. And of course, that's true. But

00:38:49.660 these children, it's a little bit of a different situation. These children are very often placed in

00:38:54.760 overcrowded facilities where they cannot be properly looked after or cared for. I don't think that's the

00:39:00.580 fault of DHS necessarily. I think it's because our system is backlogged and these facilities are

00:39:06.260 overcrowded. But like I said, I cannot support the separation of babies from their moms at the border.

00:39:11.080 I just I'm just not going to do that. Again, that was not the intention of the policy, but it was a

00:39:17.160 consequence of the policy. And the cause and effects are much more complicated, much more nuanced than

00:39:22.260 many on the left would have us think. This was not happening to asylum seekers, but it was happening in

00:39:28.200 some cases where people were crossing illegally. The president reversed the policy and now we are still

00:39:34.680 left with the problem of catch and release and many families and purported families have not been

00:39:39.320 reunified. So the whole thing is kind of a mess. The whole thing was kind of a lose lose. There was

00:39:45.780 also the issue of the conditions in which the children were being detained are being detained at

00:39:52.000 the border. You hear a lot about, quote, kids in cages. There was a picture that was circulating on

00:39:57.940 Twitter. It went viral of kids in these kind of chain linked enclosures. AOC has called

00:40:03.660 the facilities at the border concentration camps. The fact is these facilities, these cages were

00:40:10.600 built by the Obama administration for the purpose of holding migrant children temporarily. Michelle

00:40:17.180 Obama mentioned kids in cages in her DNC speech, and she actually got fact checked by the Associated

00:40:22.780 Press, which is rare. It was her husband who built the cages and first placed the kids there. And the

00:40:29.080 Obama administration also separated children in some circumstances from the accompanying adults in

00:40:35.480 certain situations. So the facilities built by Obama do indeed look like cages, but many of them,

00:40:42.800 many of the facilities that are there now don't. Some of these facilities where children and families

00:40:48.020 are detained at the border have schools. They have lots of activities and more food and shelter than a

00:40:54.060 lot of these people could have ever imagined in their country of origin. I do believe that we

00:40:59.300 should be treating the immigrants, whether they cross illegally or not, as humanely and as

00:41:04.900 compassionately as we possibly can. It's very difficult to do in the situation that we have now because

00:41:10.760 the system is so bogged down and so many of the facilities, even the temporary holding facilities,

00:41:16.620 are so overcrowded. And there's been such a confusion of policy and things have not been streamlined

00:41:23.380 that unfortunately a lot of people are suffering. And that is a problem that no administration has

00:41:30.440 really been able to fix. It has been exacerbated by both Republican and Democratic politicians and

00:41:36.880 presidents. But for the left to say that Trump put kids in cages and those were Trump's facilities,

00:41:42.540 for Michelle Obama to have the audacity to say that when she knows for a fact that it was her husband

00:41:48.640 who built those facilities at the border and placed kids in there, that's amazing. I mean,

00:41:55.180 that's just a trust that most of the media will not push back on you, that Democrats will not push

00:42:01.340 back on you, and the willingness of the public to believe an anti-Trump lie. The public obviously is

00:42:08.680 always eager and willing to believe an anti-Trump lie, when the fact of the matter is, again,

00:42:14.220 that that was Obama, that was her husband. Now, the accusation that these are concentration camps

00:42:22.540 at the border, well, the difference is, is that these people are coming there voluntarily and they

00:42:26.560 can leave whenever they want to. Whenever they arrive, no one forced them to be there unless they

00:42:33.100 are a child or a woman who is being trafficked. But people are risking their lives and coming there

00:42:38.840 voluntarily and they can leave to go back home whenever they want to. So that's the slight

00:42:42.960 difference AOC and what is happening at the border and what is happening in actual concentration camps

00:42:48.140 in places like China, where people are kidnapped from their homes and they're taken to these police

00:42:54.180 states and they are forced to live there. It's just a slight difference. So you see that there really

00:43:03.400 are no easy answers here that both Republicans and Democrats have been to blame for a lot of the

00:43:11.420 things that are going on. The fact is we are a sovereign country. We have to enforce and protect

00:43:16.460 our borders. We cannot allow everyone who wants to come here to come here. People don't have a right

00:43:22.380 to go to any country or to be a citizen of any country just because they want to. Countries do have a

00:43:28.820 right to say who can and cannot come in. And in America, we have had a very liberal and very generous,

00:43:35.740 albeit a complicated and inefficient immigration system and immigration policy. President Trump ran

00:43:42.300 on fixing it and he has tried and there have been some improvements, but he has not fixed it. It's

00:43:48.540 too much to fix in its entirety, maybe ever, but certainly in one presidential term. It's going to

00:43:55.680 take a very long time and a lot of effort and there's just not enough sustained political momentum,

00:44:01.520 I don't think, to do that. That is why, in my opinion, a wall is a very popular idea among a

00:44:07.820 lot of people because it would deter and prevent illegal border crossings in the southern border

00:44:12.960 at the southern border and allow us to focus on processing asylum seekers instead, hopefully being

00:44:19.840 able to house them in better conditions that aren't overcrowded, making the process lighter,

00:44:25.160 more efficient. It would also make drug and human trafficking a lot more difficult. And some of the

00:44:30.480 wall has been constructed under President Trump, which I think is a good thing. The acting commissioner

00:44:35.580 of the Customs and Border Patrol said this a couple of weeks ago at an event in Arizona with the

00:44:40.820 president. He says every single bit of concrete and steel that goes into the ground, the operational

00:44:46.140 capacity of the men and women you're seeing right here goes exponentially higher to stop dangerous

00:44:51.500 things and people from coming into this country. Drugs. What this wall does is helps helps us shape the

00:44:58.140 behavior of the cartels. It puts us in an offensive position. This year, we have seized over a million

00:45:05.900 pounds of drugs. Think about that. This year to date, a million pounds of drugs. And this wall is helping

00:45:11.180 shape the behavior so that we can get better at doing that. We apprehend thousands of criminals every

00:45:16.640 year. Because of this wall, we're able to apprehend and stop these criminals from coming into this country

00:45:21.720 to repeat their offenses. So we have fewer victims of United States citizens because of the wall,

00:45:26.920 because of what this president has provided us. Let's talk about gangs. Every single year,

00:45:31.740 we stop hundreds and hundreds of gangs from pouring into this country, like MS-13, whose motto is rape,

00:45:36.840 kill, and control. Just recently, they use machetes to hack up their victims, and they actually leave

00:45:42.780 them decapitated. That's what we're talking about when we're talking about what this tool, the wall,

00:45:47.220 provides us. And then illegal immigration. Even during the height of a global pandemic,

00:45:52.760 legal immigration continues. And they allow themselves to be put in stash houses that are

00:45:57.500 unsanitary, unsafe. They're put in tractor trailers for days. I mean, there's COVID. There's COVID,

00:46:04.540 but that's like a COVID petri dish. But yet, they're coming across. But because of the tools

00:46:09.340 that we have, like this wall, we are able to stop the illegal entry of individuals that have COVID to

00:46:14.220 protect our citizens of this country. So the wall is not evil. It is not xenophobic. It is something that

00:46:21.140 is helpful, not just for the citizens of this country, but all legal residents of this country,

00:46:27.000 people who are being trafficked. It is safer for the people who live at the border in Texas and who

00:46:34.020 live at the border in various states in this country. It is for the protection of the country.

00:46:40.880 And that is a compassionate and a good thing. That is what the government of this country is tasked

00:46:46.020 to do to protect the well-being and the safety of its citizens. That doesn't mean we can't also

00:46:52.140 be compassionate in who we allow in, who we accept as asylum seekers and refugees. Of course, we can.

00:46:58.620 That doesn't mean that we don't have a border policy. That doesn't mean that we should decriminalize

00:47:03.220 border crossings. That doesn't mean that we should accept everyone in. No sovereign nation can do that

00:47:08.420 and maintain their sovereignty and therefore the protection of their citizens.

00:47:12.280 Now, what about illegal immigrants in the country? How has Trump dealt with them?

00:47:17.680 Obama, he created DACA. You've probably heard of that. Deferred action for childhood arrivals.

00:47:23.160 Obama did this unconstitutionally. He created immigration policy via executive order,

00:47:28.160 which you are not supposed to be allowed to do without the approval of Congress to temporarily

00:47:33.620 defer the deportation of illegal immigrants who came as children or just as minors, not necessarily

00:47:39.380 children. He did not create for them a permanent fix or a legislative fix. He bypassed Congress to

00:47:46.060 make a temporary measure for these people, which actually made them even more vulnerable.

00:47:51.860 Many of the 800,000 people covered by DACA became citizens, but many did not. President Trump called

00:47:58.140 for the phasing out of DACA, which eventually had to happen. Remember, it is called deferred action for

00:48:04.740 childhood arrivals, not permanently banning action for childhood arrivals. So the point of it, according

00:48:10.220 to Obama, was to just give them time to apply for citizenship. And many of them did. Trump said,

00:48:15.960 OK, you've got a few months now where you've got a certain period of time to apply for citizenship.

00:48:21.200 And if you apply for citizenship, we will allow you to stay here. But if not, we're going to have to

00:48:25.480 end this deferred action for childhood arrivals, which was implemented unconstitutionally and was a

00:48:31.080 temporary measure anyway. So the administration, he gave them an opportunity. They could take the

00:48:38.020 opportunity if they wanted to. But of course, the media Democrats, they freaked out about this.

00:48:43.460 And SCOTUS actually ruled this year that Trump could not cancel the order. So so much for that.

00:48:48.560 As far as deportations go, around 337,000 immigrants were deported from the U.S. in fiscal year

00:48:56.340 2018. That was up since 2017. But overall, the Obama administration deported about 3 million

00:49:04.260 immigrants between 2009 and 2016. This is, according to Pew Research, a significantly higher

00:49:10.120 number than the 2 million immigrants deported by the Bush administration between 2001 and 2008.

00:49:15.300 In 2017, the Trump administration deported 295,000 immigrants, the lowest total since 2006.

00:49:22.820 And so that was a lower number of deportations under Trump than Obama had ever done in any year

00:49:28.860 during his administration. So all this to say, immigration is complicated. Democrats and

00:49:35.580 Republicans, as recently as 2019 or 2013, sorry, were united in curbing illegal immigration. Like I said,

00:49:43.620 Obama and his administration were big on deportations, bigger than the Trump administration.

00:49:49.020 Both parties have said we need to stop illegal immigration. We have to secure the borders. But

00:49:55.500 recently, the Democratic Party has shifted far to the left. I think they realized that this is a

00:50:01.120 winning issue for some people and that they will eventually be able to get the votes of illegal

00:50:06.520 immigrants. Many now claim to be against deportation of any kind. They claim to be for the decriminalization

00:50:15.560 of border crossings, meaning that anyone can cross the border and come in and live here

00:50:19.440 as they see fit. Many are for granting voting rights to non-citizens. So this would make us

00:50:26.060 effectively, as I've said, not a country. There is no standard of citizenship, no enforcement

00:50:30.880 of border policy, no privileges or rights granted to citizens. That means to be an American. It would be

00:50:37.920 obsolete. Every country has a right and responsibility to their citizens to make citizenship matter and to

00:50:46.600 protect their citizens. And to make citizenship moot is to stymie America's rights and responsibility to

00:50:53.840 their citizens. The Biden administration is promising to move far to the left on immigration.

00:51:00.220 He plans to do this, to pause deportation for 100 days, to transform ICE and Border Patrol policies,

00:51:06.800 whatever that means. Now, people like AOC and Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, who is on the task force for Joe Biden

00:51:14.040 and creating a lot of his policies, have said that we need to abolish ICE. We need to get rid of ICE and

00:51:19.740 possibly Border Patrol. Now, these are the two biggest agencies, two of the biggest agencies that help stop

00:51:25.820 gang violence in this country and also help and fight against human trafficking. And so it would be disastrous

00:51:32.320 at this point to into those agencies. But AOC would like to do that. And so we don't know the

00:51:38.140 transformation of those policies would look like under Biden, but he wants to take a pause on

00:51:42.960 deportations for 100 days to take a look at what those policies would be. The guess is that he would

00:51:49.860 slow deportation. So he would reverse a lot of the policies that not just that that not Trump has made as

00:51:56.140 far as deportations go, but that Obama made as far as deportations went. And he would be a lot more a lot more

00:52:04.560 lenient towards people who want to stay who are here illegally. Biden says he will reverse Trump's decision

00:52:10.900 to end DACA and strengthen protections for who are called dreamers. He would make them eligible for federal

00:52:16.600 student aid for college. So that means your taxpayer dollars would be paying for the college for illegal

00:52:22.760 immigrants. Again, it was Obama who made DACA temporary. He is the one who bypassed Congress.

00:52:29.080 He could have advocated for a legislative fix for these dreamers, but he chose not to do that.

00:52:35.540 He promises to stop the construction of the wall. And so we heard from the acting commissioner for

00:52:41.000 the for Border Patrol, who said that the wall is helping them stop drug trafficking and human trafficking

00:52:47.460 and gang violence. Well, Biden would make sure that we stop the construction of the wall.

00:52:52.000 He says he would end the prosecution of border crossings for parents. Now, Julian Castro,

00:52:57.680 he says, decriminalize all border crossings. There are a variety of progressive Democrats who

00:53:02.760 believe that. Again, that means you can just come in however you see fit and go ahead and stay.

00:53:08.560 Trump also enacted a travel ban from seven Muslim majority countries. But these were countries that

00:53:14.200 were on Obama's list of dangerous countries that posed a national security threat. And there were many

00:53:19.860 Muslim majority countries that were not included on that list. And so the whole Muslim ban accusation

00:53:26.240 just isn't quite accurate. But Biden says he would make sure that that doesn't happen again.

00:53:30.740 Biden's plan would fast track the citizenship process for agricultural workers. It would expand

00:53:35.860 the so-called high skilled work visa program and make changes to prevent exploitation of foreign workers

00:53:42.440 and displacement of American workers. It would eliminate limits on employment-based green cards

00:53:47.780 by country, which have caused decades-long backlogs for applicants from India in particular. None of this

00:53:56.820 is good for the American worker. See what's happening at AT&T. Now, I am for people coming in to work here

00:54:05.560 legally. I think that that's a wonderful process and very good. I think it's good for the agricultural

00:54:11.060 industry. So not all of this is bad. But lifting those limits and making sure that we can have even

00:54:18.620 more foreign workers than we have now is not good necessarily for the American worker. If you look at

00:54:23.580 what's going on somewhere like AT&T, unfortunately, employers know that they can pay foreign-born workers

00:54:29.040 a lot less than they can native-born workers. And so a lot of these native-born workers, unfortunately,

00:54:34.820 get replaced. Trump, in short, we've kind of already talked about this. He's going to continue to try to

00:54:40.420 curb illegal immigration and forced border policy. He is going to probably try to stop, catch and

00:54:47.800 release while keeping families, true families together. He is going to continue the construction

00:54:53.180 of the border wall. So this is a very complicated topic, very complicated. And as I've said, Republicans

00:55:00.400 and Democrats have failed for decades and decades to do anything substantive. President Trump ran on this,

00:55:05.900 ran on fixing this problem, ran on stopping illegal immigration. And I think that he has helped by

00:55:11.540 empowering Border Patrol, for sure. It has not gone all that smoothly. And like I said, Democrats have

00:55:17.460 gone far to the left on this. This used to be a unifying subject for a lot of people that, hey, we're

00:55:24.160 pro-legal immigration, but we have to be against illegal immigration if we care about our country at all,

00:55:30.340 if we care about citizenship and sovereignty, which I just think a lot of people on the left

00:55:33.940 truly don't. They go on this crazy theory that America is uniquely on stolen land and therefore

00:55:41.100 we're not a legitimate country. And they truly believe that America needs to be burned to the

00:55:45.600 ground, which means making our borders obsolete. I mean, that is disastrous for immigrants and non-immigrants

00:55:52.280 in the country. You have to maintain your borders. You have to enforce immigration policy.

00:55:56.320 You have to protect the safety and the well-being of your citizens while also being compassionate to

00:56:01.500 people who want to come here. So I hope that I offered some clarity to you guys. It's not as

00:56:08.200 as with the other things, like with religious liberty and with abortion, it's pretty cut and dry.

00:56:13.480 It's like, OK, well, one side is obviously against religious liberty. One side is obviously for

00:56:19.580 abortion and the other side is not. Here very clearly is where Trump is and here is where Biden is.

00:56:24.700 This is a more complicated issue, although I would say that Biden and Trump are very far apart,

00:56:29.840 that Biden wants to prioritize the increase in immigration and the decriminalization in some

00:56:38.040 ways of illegal immigration or at least lowering the prosecution or lowering the punishment for

00:56:45.360 illegal immigration, where President Trump is always going to say, you know, I believe in America

00:56:49.840 first and we've got our own problems. We've got our own things that we need to deal with.

00:56:53.380 We love legal immigrants and we love legal immigration, but we've got to deal with the

00:56:58.080 problems that we have and make sure that we are taking care of the American worker and the American

00:57:01.760 family. And I believe a good leader does that. A good leader balances, OK, how many people can we

00:57:08.040 take in with we've got to face the problems that we have right now and fix the system in place

00:57:12.400 that we have that is largely inefficient, ineffective and unfair towards those who would be wonderful

00:57:18.920 Americans and have been waiting to be productive citizens in this country for so long, but have

00:57:24.660 been prevented from doing so because of illegal immigration and so much of the inefficiencies that

00:57:29.340 are going on in our system. OK, so I hope that helped a little bit. I hope that maybe busted some

00:57:34.300 myths and added some clarity for you. If you've got questions, just let me know. I will be back here on

00:57:39.440 Wednesday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - September 14, 2020

Ep 300 ｜ Trump vs. Biden 2020： Immigration

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