Ep 302 ｜ Candace Owens on Black America ｜ Guest： Candace Owens
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Candice Owens joins me to talk about her new book, Blackout, and her upcoming pregnancy with her second baby. We talk about the process of writing Blackout and how she came up with the name for her second child.
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Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Friday. Hope everyone has had a great week. Today I
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am talking to Candice Owens, whom I know all of you know. We will be talking about her
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brand new book, Blackout. We will also be talking about a variety of political and cultural
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subjects. So I'm so excited for you to listen to this conversation. Without further ado,
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here is Candice Owens. Candice, thank you so much for joining me.
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Congratulations. You've got two things to be congratulated on. At least you birthed the book
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and you are going to birth a baby. This is such an exciting time for you. Congratulations. How
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Thank you. I feel like the book has definitely been a longer birth and a more frustrating birth.
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Yeah. No, it's amazing to have it out. You know, it was a real back and forth struggle
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with Simon and Schuster to just sort of keep the content that I wanted in the voice that I wanted
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with the strong language that I wanted. So it feels amazing to have it be out and have it be so
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successful. And then on the personal baby side, I mean, I've had the easiest, best pregnancy ever.
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I'm six months in one week and I have not had a single symptom and I've just got so much energy.
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That is awesome. Okay. Can you tell us how it happened when you found out that you were
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pregnant? Like, were you just like over the moon? We love to hear those kinds of stories.
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I knew instantly. I am one of those people that is crazy in touch with my body. Like,
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and my body is like a clock. Like there is nothing ever amiss. Like I am just like a very healthy
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person. And I mean, I knew the second I was pregnant and my husband was like, are you crazy?
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And I was like, watch, go get a test. And we got a test and I thought I was pregnant and we were so
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It was honestly such a special moment that you'll never get to have again. You know,
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your first child and figuring out, finding out that you're pregnant. I knew instantly,
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instinctively in that moment also what sex it was. And my husband's like, you're crazy.
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And I was like, I know this and I'm pregnant and I'm having a blank and everything turned out to
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be correct. We just had our 20 week scan. And he's just like, you are a really bizarre human
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You just know, it's just intuitive. And so you're keeping the gender private for now, I'm guessing.
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That is so exciting. Well, I'm so excited for you. As you know, motherhood changes everything,
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even when you are just pregnant with a child, like your perspective on the world just changes.
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Yes, definitely. I mean, one of the things is just that you're already so much more selfless.
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Me, I love to go into the fight in terms of politics. I love to show up at the protests and
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do all these things. And suddenly I'm like, I can't do that anymore because I am with child. And the most
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important thing is my child and the safety of my child. And, you know, you just, there's already,
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I guess, mother guilt, they call it, you know, if I'm having a super long day, like, you know,
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before you could just skip lunch and be like, I have to get this done or skip breakfast. And now
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I'm just like the most selfish thing in the entire world. If I didn't, you know, nourish my body the
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correct way. So everything, it just feels so much more heightened. And, you know, I was already pro-life,
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not my whole life. I used to be pro-choice. I was younger and I was liberal. And then I became,
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I would say, pro-life about five or six years ago, kind of when I came into my conservative awakening.
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But seeing, it's just incredible. If people knew how much you could see at 10 weeks,
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go in for an ultrasound and it just makes you really understand how fraudulent the clump of cells,
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my body, my choice, the true evil of that movement has really come to the forefront.
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Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Let's talk about your other baby, your proverbial baby, this book.
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When did this process start? Why did you decide that you wanted to write this book? And what is your
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hope for this book as more and more people read it?
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You know, my decision to write the book really came about when I realized that the media
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had been very successful in creating a caricature of Candace Owens. And the caricature, if you were
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on the left, was sort of like, this girl is just a fraud is popping up and taking Republican money
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because she realizes it's better. She used to be a Democrat, all of these things that just weren't
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true. And then if it was on the right, it was like, this girl is just doing things for attention
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and she's theatrical. And, you know, there's really no substance behind anything she says
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or does. Like she's saying the Democrat plantation, you can't say that that's just to, you know,
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get under people's skin. And I just felt like I wanted to present something that could assert for
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people who I actually am, where I came from, what my background is, and why I actually mean what I
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say. I always say to people, I'm a lot more thoughtful than people give me credit for.
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Um, and everything that I do, like I remember being killed when I first came out and was doing
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fun YouTube videos and people were like, Oh, she's just being funny. And it's like, yes,
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I'm being funny because I know that humor works and culture works. And I understand the significance
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of culture. Case in point, getting into a beef with Cardi B. Um, that's, that's thoughtful. I
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understand the significance of the fact that she has 75 million followers who know nothing about
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politics other than she's sitting down with this candidate. So he must, must be good. Um, so I'm a lot
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more measured and calculated, um, in the moves that I take to, you know, sort of preserve what I think
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are American principles and ideals. And this really allowed me to sort of lay the groundwork for,
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um, what I lived through personally growing up. So people know that I mean these things, um, from my
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heart, not just from my brain, but also from my heart. Um, and yeah, just, I guess to humanize myself
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in the end. Yeah. And I know what this book is about. Um, and you just kind of explained some of it,
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but could you elaborate a little bit more on what this book is and some of the points that you make
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in it? Yeah. So this book really kind of goes through, I guess, all of the points that I think
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black Americans and all of Americans need to know about the methodology that the left uses in terms
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of their favored horse, which is race, right? We're always, in every election cycle, everybody's a
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racist. You and I have talked about this often. Um, and what I wanted to do was sort of take people
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through my thought process on all of these points, um, and show you why the left's arguments are
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fraudulent and to take you through the real history of a Democrat party. Um, so you know that they've
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always been fraudulent. They've always used sort of this theatrical harping on race, um, to gain
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themselves power. Um, and, uh, also to tell my personal stories, you know, to mix it. It's not like
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I'm just saying, you know, the left doesn't support school choice and school choice is good and
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attacking the public education system, but also taking them through what it was like for me
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in the public education system. And also absolving at the same time, this sort of plague of white
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guilt that we see today with white Americans. I feel so bad. We have to do more. Well, a lot of the
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things that are wrong in society are because internally black America has a problem and only
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we can fix it. So for example, the education chapter, I talk about how I was severely bullied
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in middle school, which people will be surprised about, got along great with everybody when I was in
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elementary school. But then once we started testing and doing state testing, and I tested
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out of the group with all the minorities and everyone in my class was white, suddenly the
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black girls were pushing me into lockers telling me I was acting white. Um, and we have a culture
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that believes that, you know, aspiring towards academic success. When I say we are referring to
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black Americans, aspiring towards academic success, um, is something that is proprietary to white
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people. Um, so we actually are, uh, creating, um, uh, just sort of an environment that black
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children can't flourish in. And that has nothing to do with white people. It's our culture. It's
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celebrating Cardi B when she's making noises for 15 minutes, um, to Joe Biden, um, and not asking him
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any valid questions. So I just took on education. I took on abortion and just various topics and took
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them through personal stories, um, as well at the same time.
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Yeah. Well, this book is so well-timed because it seems like it is less popular than ever,
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at least according to the mainstream media and our cultural overlords on the left to be able to talk
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about personal responsibility, um, within any community, but community, but particularly, um,
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within black America, there are other scholars like John McWhorter who has talked about this.
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Obviously you probably know Shelby Steele and Larry Elder, but it seems like right now,
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it is, uh, even more polarizing according to the left to talk about this. I was looking at this
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interesting Pew research study that shows how Democrats have changed in their perception
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of racism and discrimination towards black people that it was, um, in 2016 people who voted for Hillary
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Clinton only, you know, a low percentage of them actually thought that discrimination was the main
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obstacle for black people. Well, that number has risen by like 25% in the democratic party,
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but not in the Republican party. Very few people believe that America is this place of white
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supremacy and white privilege in the Republican party. But over, over a course of four years,
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Democrats have dramatically moved to the left and to the extreme on that. So racism hasn't actually
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increased by any measure, but the perception of racism has, why, why is that happening? Why is that
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shift taking place so dramatically on the left? Uh, it's because of psychological conditioning and
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that psychological conditioning is really an entire ecosystem. It's the politicians, right? Who
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can't, can no longer, um, discern between right and wrong. Uh, meaning years ago, the left and the
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right could agree on some basic things, right? Alluding and burning down something, no matter what
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happens is wrong, right? Going after a business owner who's got nothing to do with whatever happened in
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Minnesota and burning down his business, because you need to express how you feel used to be agreed
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upon as something that was wrong. Now we have politicians unable to say that, right? The concept
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of defunding the police used to be something that it would be unfathomable. I can't even say it could
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be a good one because it's so unfathomable that it could, it would have never even been said. Um,
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now we have politicians that are encouraging that and backing that and not just the politicians,
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but the media, right? The media that's saying the same thing. This is why this is happening,
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justifying this behavior. Um, I always use the analogy of if you have a toddler, um, and your
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toddler is, uh, throwing a temper tantrum on the floor and demanding and saying that they need
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something while the parent that then says to them, your, your emotions are completely justified.
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You have every right to scream and cry for this lollipop and throw things down in the store. Um, uh,
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and, uh, I'm going to give you the lollipop and that, that then reinforces to that toddler that
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this behavior is okay. Um, and that their feelings are valid. Um, and right now we have a group of
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people that don't have the spine and all of these institutions, organizations and corporations
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that don't have the spine to say to these people, these radicals, uh, you know, it's not all black
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people. It's not all white people. We're talking about Antifa and black life matter thugs, um,
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that their behavior is wrong. Um, and then you have the school system, um, which you and I have
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talked about, which is now handing down, um, an educational manual that basically says you are
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oppressed and you are the oppressor depending on your skin color. Um, and we have not had, um,
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you know, we, we have not fought back to that. Um, we haven't, we haven't fought back on that
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enough. Um, it's just starting, but we, there needs to be a significant pushback from parents
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on this sort of psychological conditioning. In many ways, we're seeing a system, an education system,
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which seeks to undermine parents and replace the parents in raising these kids. Um, that can only
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really be Marxist at the end of the day. If those of you believe are completely absolved from all
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guilt and it's the system and the white man that's out to get you.
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Yeah. That simplistic worldview of the oppressed versus the oppressor based not on anything you've
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experienced or done, but just, uh, based on your skin color. And that idea, it seems like has become
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more popular again, not as America has actually become more racist, but as it's become more
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lucrative to talk about racism and critical race theory. And I'm wondering how corporations,
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I get these emails a lot and you probably do too, from people who are in a business and they're saying,
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you know, my company is doing this diversity and inclusion training. And I'm told as a white male
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that I'm racist. How do I push back against that? Or parents who see curriculum in their children's
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school about black lives matter and all this stuff that they don't agree with, but they feel powerless
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to speak up because they don't want to be seen as racist because they're not. Do you have any advice
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or encouragement for people who feel like, you know, they're just yelling out in the wilderness
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and who don't have any support? Should they say something? And if so, how?
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Yeah. I mean, there, I, there, there's either two ways it happens. Either a coalition of people,
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um, and they say something, um, and they try to get things resolved the right way, of course,
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by just voicing your concerns and, and not just voicing your concerns, but saying that you're not
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going to tolerate it. It's not, you shouldn't go in like it's a negotiation. Um, someone telling
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your kid that they're privileged, um, because of the color of their skin is it's racism. That's
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the very definition of racism, right? Assigning attributes to somebody based on the color of their
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skin. Um, and we have laws that protect against that. So I have been waiting for like the massive
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lawsuit of a bunch of white parents coming together and suing, um, a school, um, for this sort of
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behavior, for handing down packets that are literally by definition racist. Um, and I had
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a young woman, two young women that were twins that I babysat when they were eight and they're
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now 16. And they told me in, in New York school, they go to a private school to leave, it costs
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$50,000 a year. Um, and they have to take this multicultural course and they have to go around
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the room and share, um, why they know, um, that they are privileged because of the color of their skin.
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It is unimaginable for me to, if I had a child who was black, right. Uh, for a teacher to tell
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them to encourage, to go around the room and tell them why they know, um, that something is
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fundamentally wrong because of their skin color. Like they, that they get something in life because
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of their skin color. Also during black history month, those same students who had to go to an
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auditorium and all of the black kids in their school were invited to go onto stage and yell at
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the white people and tell them like just to them, um, what, yeah, what it is like for them to be
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black and how wrong and how privileged they are. Um, it's unimaginable, but this is what's happening
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in the school system. And if parents, like if, if my child attended that school, um, I would be
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suing. I mean, there's no question. This would, it would be litigation for me, uh, because that is,
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that is racism and we've already won that war in America. Um, and now we're seeing people that
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seek to initiate it, to reinitiate it again. Yeah. And it's not that it's just, um,
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uh, a negative impact on the white students or white people. I mean, this is bad for the black
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students, for the nonwhite students as well. I mean, this kind of cultural segregation or actual
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segregation that's happening in some places I saw, I think it was the university of Michigan
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that is having like racially segregated safe spaces. I mean, this isn't good for anyone of any
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race. I also saw another study that showed that these diversity and inclusion trainings,
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that it's been found that it actually leads to more implicit bias, more discrimination,
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more resentment between the races, which is such an obvious conclusion to all of us.
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Where do you think this ends up? If people don't read your book and apply its wisdom,
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if people continue to go down this path of intersectionality and critical race theory,
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we're going to end up in a resegregated society. And, and, and I wrote about this in my book. It's
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mind boggling to consider that just a couple of decades ago, uh, Ruby Bridges was considered,
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you know, she still is, you know, the face of integration, um, being yelled at, spat at by white
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Democrats. Um, you know, as she sought to just be able to attend the same school as white people,
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it's, it would have been unimaginable after that major win, um, to say, Hey, Ruby Bridges,
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just, you know, in a couple of decades, black kids will, it'll be reversed and black kids will
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be segregating themselves. Um, it's so crazy to think that we are as black, black America is now
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demanding their own segregation after everything that our ancestors fought for and how hard they
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fought for it. And if we continue down this path, you're exactly right. Uh, society is going to
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become more racially polarized, um, because it's natural. I mean, I thought about that even when
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I kept seeing people who were not saying racist things that kept being called racist. How does that
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not make you feel resentful? If you have, you're not allowed to express yourself. You're not allowed to
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say an opinion. Like maybe you just don't like Candace Owens because you disagree with an opinion,
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but you say that now and Ali, you're a racist, you know what I mean? I don't like Candace because
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you're black. And it's like, no, I don't like Candace because I don't like her positions. I'm this,
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this, and that. And you get shut down and you're told to shut up. That is naturally going to cause
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white people to feel resentful. They're not allowed to, to express themselves when everything that they
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say, if it's, if it's said against a black person is interpreted as racism, it's wrong. And then amongst
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black America, even you're seeing this sort of severance happen, um, which I'm happy about only
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because there needed to be this sort of an ideological civil war in our community, because
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we were thinking like such a monolith in the past. Um, but at the same time, you're seeing that,
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uh, even black people are beginning to resent one another, depending on what side you're on.
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Like if you're not oppressed and you're not down with us and, you know, you can't be,
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you can't be black. And then you have the other people that are like, you are making this hard for us
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when we're, you know, we've, where we have everything we're afforded. We're the most
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privileged black American black people that have ever walked the face of the planet.
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And you're trying to send us back. Um, so you're absolutely right that no matter which way you
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look at it, it's going to lead to a more, um, ideologically segregated, um, and a physically
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segregated society. Yeah. And the democratic party obviously is exacerbating this because
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they believe that kind of division will help them usher in the collectivist left-wing future that
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they want. That's what I think this is all about. That racism is really just a flashpoint for the
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Marxist, uh, revolution that they are trying to wage that it's not really about black lives or police
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brutality at all. It's about causing division that they hope will allow them to burn down the current
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institutions in order to rebuild the kind of dystopian future that they want. Why do you think it is
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that you point this out in your book, that the disparities between, um, black Americans and white
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Americans has not changed, even though they have been voting black Americans, uh, predominantly for
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Democrats who have promised to save them for decades. Why do you think it is that predominantly black
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Americans are voting for the people who have over promised and under delivered so many times?
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Uh, because white guilt is not an antidote to the problems that are plaguing black America.
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Government is never an antidote to problems that are, are plaguing any community. The answer is
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never more government. And you and I know this, Ali, you talk a lot on your podcast about faith.
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Uh, we talk a lot about family. Uh, we talk a lot about personal responsibility. Uh, what's happening
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now is as you tread towards a more Marxist society and people that believe in Marxism, even if they don't
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recognize that it is in fact Marxism, um, is that they begin to worship, uh, government as if it
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is God, they begin to see their government as if it's a family unit, as if it's mom and dad.
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Um, and the, those sorts of things and those sorts of triumphs and successes can only come from the
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individual. That is why it is remarkable when you look at statistics to understand that black America
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across almost every metric was doing better, um, under Jim Crow laws than they are today.
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And what I'm talking about, uh, versus today, I'm talking about, um, you know, education wise,
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job wise, uh, we had the last time that we had lower, it's a very interesting statistic. The last
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time that black Americans, um, had a lower unemployment rate than white Americans, it was in
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1930. Um, and that was just ahead of, uh, the government stepping in and demanding minimum wage
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so that black Americans no longer compete. So at every point in society, which I talk about in my book,
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every time the government got involved, things got worse for black America, especially when it comes
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to the family. And if we don't return to a society where we start valuing the individual,
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um, and we start valuing the family, um, and we keep treading towards a society that believes in
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the government, we are just going to see this plague of narcissism that has, you know, no,
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no good benefits, no results, just the fundamental destruction of Western civilization and all
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civilizations that, you know, these sort of Marxist narcissist ideologies have ever come into.
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Yeah. We hear that some of the disparities and problems that you're talking about are
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a result of a, the legacy of slavery and B systemic racism. Do you think there's any,
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any truth to those assertions? Yeah. I mean, every time somebody says systemic racism,
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you know, implies that the system is in and of itself racist. You ask one question,
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what is it that I can't do as a black woman in America, Allie, that you can't do?
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But what is the, just give me the one law. What is it that you're like, okay,
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Allie can do this, but Candace can't do this. It doesn't exist.
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Right. Like that exists in your head. The barrier exists in your head. And that is,
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that is the problem right now for black America is that we have an illness that is in our head
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and it's not our fault. You know, like I said, there are these institutions that are, are LeBron
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James, you know, saying we're literally being hunted, this sort of language rhetoric coming
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from people that they believe in and that they idolize. This is why the Bible preaches against
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idolatry, right? Because this happens when you idolize people like LeBron James, um, is that you
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start to believe in his reality and what he's telling you. And he is not a God. He is a good
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basketball player. And that is all he will ever be. Um, you know, one of the biggest,
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the most satanic things about America today is actually Hollywood. Um, and this, this form of
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idolatry and believing everything that people like Cardi B and LeBron James say. Um, and it's,
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it's, it's harming individuals. There is no such thing as systemic racism. This country affords
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everybody the same opportunity, but you have to want to work hard. And, you know,
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I talk about this in my book, um, in the chapter on faith, I believe. Um, I talk about how really
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what's playing black America it's, it's fear. Um, what comes with freedom, you know, freedom is
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almost synonymous with personal responsibility. Like once you're actually free and there are no
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barriers, then that means that you have to be 100% responsible for yourself. You either make it or you
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break it. Right. And that's a really hard thing for people that are so used to having been oppressed,
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which black Americans were, and could point to that oppression and say, look, we do not
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have equalities by Americans. And that's why we're lagging. But what happens is suddenly you're
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given equality, right? Or do you just say, okay, that's it. Now you're actually given equality.
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It's a tremendous burden and it's really scary. Personal responsibility is really hard. It's
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still hard for me right now as a business owner, every single day to realize that, uh, my business
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could fail or my business could be great, but it takes an amount of courage. And what you're taking
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away from these kids, when you condition to them from the time that they're young to believe
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that no matter what, it's not your fault, no matter what you can point to some oppression
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is you're, you're fundamentally creating kids that don't have the confidence, uh, to be brave,
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to, to try, right. To fail. We've all failed, um, in various different ways across our lifetimes,
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but to keep getting back up. Um, and that to me is the true evil, um, of the left today is that
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they're able to fail before they ever even try. Where do you think Republicans in the right have
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maybe failed in reaching out to black Americans? Do you think that, or do you think that they have
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done a very effective job? They definitely have not done a good job. And I don't think anybody
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would say the Republicans have been so amazing. Um, but I understand it and I, and I sympathize
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with it because like I said, I can't imagine what it would be like if every time you opened your mouth,
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you were called a racist, right? If you're like, Hey, I really want to help you. And it's like,
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no, you don't get it. If you don't support this, you're a racist. Um, you, you know,
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you wouldn't be, you wouldn't be so trigger friendly. You'd be trigger shy. Um, and you
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just say, you know what, forget it. This is just never going to happen. And they don't see it. They
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don't get it. And you just don't try anymore. And I think that that's what's kind of happened to
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Republicans, um, over time is that they just stopped trying because so many of them are smeared
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and libeled as racists for literally trying to get out there and help. Um, so I think now though,
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I would like to think that with so many conservative voices like me, black conservative
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voices who have purposefully changed the dialogue and personally changed it as in I always wanted
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to be, I knew I was never going to be a Dr. Ben Carson. He's way more brilliant than me. He's a
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neurosurgeon. He's separated conjoined twins. Okay. He wins. He's smarter, smarter than Candace than all of
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us. Smarter than us. Okay, fine. I knew I wasn't going to be a Dr. Condoleezza Rice. Uh, you know,
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she's, she's just incredibly accomplished woman plays the piano, but I did realize that I could
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have, um, you know, I could have a greater impact than them. And I spoke to Dr. Ben Carson about
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this and he said, why do you think it is Candace, um, that you've been able to do so much in just a
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little bit of time. And I've been working my whole life towards this. And I said to him, uh, well,
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you know, respectfully, Dr. Carson, you were just too polite. Um, that is what was missing. Like
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this, when people think that I'm abrasive, I'm abrasive for a reason, uh, because I understand
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the plague in black America's father absence. I understand that when you remove fathers from the
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home, these people don't know how to respond to authority because they've never had to do it.
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There is no dad at home. You think they want to listen to their teachers in school. You want to
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know why they're failing in school and why they're rude to their teachers and why they,
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that transpires people that are rude to police officers and people that are, you know, inside
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of the system. It's because they don't know what authority is because people usually just let them get
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what they want. And I wanted to push back. I wanted to give birth to black conservatives who
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were proud and unapologetically black conservatives and didn't just take being called an uncle Tom and
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sit down. Right. And I've done that. I fought back. I wasn't going to just take party B attacking me.
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Right. And in the past, I think if it was Dr. Ben Carson, he would have been like, I, I, I, you know,
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I separate conjoined twins. I don't get into public. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a need for that
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cultural megaphone and there just aren't very many. Um, I don't, there aren't very many black women in
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particular saying what you say and doing what you do in a way that cuts through all the noise and
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doesn't use any kind of subliminal messaging or you don't acquiesce ever. That's something I've
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noticed. You don't even give an inch or a centimeter to the other side when you are confident in your
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position. And I think that's part of the reason why you have just exploded and become so successful
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because you say the things that people are thinking, but they're too scared to say. And
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you give a voice to a lot of people, no matter what their skin color is in your, in your boldness.
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And I think that that is, um, a huge service to culture, but also, uh, a huge reason why you have
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just, uh, accomplished so much, uh, so quickly, but as you write in your book, it's not necessarily
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just overnight. Your life has kind of been building up to this in a way, right?
00:27:13.120
Yeah. I mean, that's the, that is, that's God, right? He, he's got, he's got the plan long before
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you understand it. And it's so funny now to go back, you know, yesterday I was having a conversation
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with my little sister and I was so emotional thinking about it because there were so many times
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growing up that I hated being the girl that was impoverished. I hated being the girl that lived in,
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you know, a roach infested apartment. And my parents couldn't afford for me to go on field trips.
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And I hated God in those moments. And that sounds so blasphemous to say out loud, but you do, you
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know, you, you, you blame God when you're a kid. It's like, why me God? Right. And, um, and horrible
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things that happened to me in the first chapter, I talk about, you know, a hate crime, um, that I
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lived through in high school. And it was again, that same attitude, that same angry, why me God,
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why do I have this life? Why was I raised this way? And then now I, he's unveiled part of his hand to
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me. And it's like, because I had to live through that because the first thing that left would have
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done if I hadn't lived through that was try to take away, Oh, well, she grew up rich. She, you know,
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she grew up with a two pair, she grew up in a two pair home. She, all of these things that somehow
00:28:17.320
discount what you're saying, right. In the same way that Ali, you're white. So you don't get it.
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Well, I'm black. I grew up impoverished. I had to work for everything I had. I started my life in debt.
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Um, and God wanted it that way because he knew, um, you know, that it would just, it would give me,
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um, the strength and the ability to be able to say what I say. And people would, would not be able
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to discount my words, um, because of these various things. So everything, honestly, now in retrospect,
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um, it's just, it's all God. You know what I mean? It's just, it's so much bigger and more complex
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and greater than we'll ever understand. Definitely. Okay. One last question that I meant to get to
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earlier, but I just want to hear quickly how you believe that president Trump is delivering on his
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promises, not just to black America, but America in general and why you support him and you encourage
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other people to as well. Yeah. You know, I've always said is the president does not, and I know
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him quite well now, and the president does not care about race or color. Um, the, actually the one
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color he cares about is green. He likes money. He likes success and he likes to win. Um, and actually
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that philosophy of success is that that's the one thing we can all share in this country.
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And that's always been the American philosophy. If you can come here with the clothes on your back,
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if you're willing to play by the rules, stay out of trouble and work hard and make good decisions,
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this country will reward you. Um, and I think that what I love about Trump is that first and foremost,
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it had to be him, uh, because of the same reasons that I just listed the Candace versus, uh,
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Dr. Ben Carson personality. We needed someone who wouldn't buckle when he was called a racist,
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right. Um, that he would just continue to be a good president, that he would continue,
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um, you know, to make sure that there were jobs available to continue to get people off
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of government assistance. Someone who doesn't believe in welfare is not going to get up and say,
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um, at his state of the union address, uh, more, we've given out more welfare benefits than other
00:30:04.120
ever before, which is exactly, um, what Barack Obama did in the black caucus cheered. And, and
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he understands that this is a country that is built on the concept of free markets and capitalism,
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um, and Judeo-Christian beliefs, you know, his fight, uh, for faith, for, for, for the faith
00:30:20.280
community is a huge thing. Uh, because as I said, one of the biggest things playing in America today
00:30:24.920
is narcissism. Um, and Ali, you do a great job of talking about this in your book. Um, and, and if we
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can't fight for all of those things, right, Judeo-Christian beliefs, capitalism, and free markets,
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to me, Trump has done all of those things and he has defended all of those things and defended the
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freedoms of the constitution every single day while he's in office. Um, do I have issues? Do I,
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do I think Trump is a perfect person? No. Do I think Trump is the perfect person for what we are
00:30:50.940
going through in American society today? Yes. The, the ideological war. Do I think he is the right
00:30:55.660
person to lead us? Um, you know, at this moment in time? Yes. Do we need a president Trump forever,
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a boisterous person like this? No. Do we need a president Trump right now? Absolutely. Um, and it,
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it just, it just had to be someone with his character. So I fully support him and I hope
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he wins in a landslide and it would feel really great for all of us who have just been going,
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what the heck is not in America? Right, right, right. Well, tell everyone where they can buy
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your book and anywhere else you want to send them as well. Yes. Anywhere that sells books,
00:31:25.140
you can go on Amazon. I think they're on backorder right now. Um, Barnes and Noble is a great place to
00:31:29.500
go. Um, uh, but you can walk into any bookstore, uh, and pick it up and, uh, thank you guys.
00:31:35.380
Also, I just want to thank everybody. This has been a huge dream of mine, uh, to be a published
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bestselling author and it's becoming a reality. Oh, that's so exciting. Yay. Yay. Well,
00:31:46.620
congratulations. Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to me. You have been all over Fox and
00:31:51.880
the major networks and all that good stuff. And I just hope that you sell millions and millions of
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copies. So thank you so much. And congratulations again. Thank you, Allie. Thanks for having me.
00:32:01.420
Guys. I hope you loved that conversation. Make sure that you go pick up her book. She mentioned
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my book at the end of that conversation. You're not enough. And that's okay. Escaping the toxic
00:32:11.480
culture of self-love a great pairing with this book. I would say you can go to AllieBethStuckey.com
00:32:17.640
slash book to pick that up. If you're interested, join women's book club with Allie Stuckey on Facebook.
00:32:22.400
We are going through a discrimination and disparities with Thomas soul right now, which, um, actually is,
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uh, talking about a lot of the principles and concepts that Candace talked about today and
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talked about in her book. So again, another great book to go with, uh, the other books that I've
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suggested. Okay. I hope that you have a great rest of your day and a great weekend. We will be back here