Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 302 ｜ Candace Owens on Black America ｜ Guest： Candace Owens

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Friday. Hope everyone has had a great week. Today I

00:00:15.300 am talking to Candice Owens, whom I know all of you know. We will be talking about her

00:00:20.420 brand new book, Blackout. We will also be talking about a variety of political and cultural

00:00:25.780 subjects. So I'm so excited for you to listen to this conversation. Without further ado,

00:00:31.640 here is Candice Owens. Candice, thank you so much for joining me.

00:00:36.040 Thank you for having me.

00:00:37.580 Congratulations. You've got two things to be congratulated on. At least you birthed the book

00:00:42.760 and you are going to birth a baby. This is such an exciting time for you. Congratulations. How

00:00:47.920 are you feeling about everything?

00:00:49.800 Thank you. I feel like the book has definitely been a longer birth and a more frustrating birth.

00:00:55.220 Yeah. No, it's amazing to have it out. You know, it was a real back and forth struggle

00:00:59.840 with Simon and Schuster to just sort of keep the content that I wanted in the voice that I wanted

00:01:04.960 with the strong language that I wanted. So it feels amazing to have it be out and have it be so

00:01:09.580 successful. And then on the personal baby side, I mean, I've had the easiest, best pregnancy ever.

00:01:16.300 I'm six months in one week and I have not had a single symptom and I've just got so much energy.

00:01:21.800 That's amazing.

00:01:22.160 It's been pretty good.

00:01:24.120 That is awesome. Okay. Can you tell us how it happened when you found out that you were

00:01:28.500 pregnant? Like, were you just like over the moon? We love to hear those kinds of stories.

00:01:34.260 I knew instantly. I am one of those people that is crazy in touch with my body. Like,

00:01:40.040 and my body is like a clock. Like there is nothing ever amiss. Like I am just like a very healthy

00:01:46.840 person. And I mean, I knew the second I was pregnant and my husband was like, are you crazy?

00:01:52.180 And I was like, watch, go get a test. And we got a test and I thought I was pregnant and we were so

00:01:56.400 excited.

00:01:57.120 Oh my God.

00:01:57.940 It was honestly such a special moment that you'll never get to have again. You know,

00:02:02.280 your first child and figuring out, finding out that you're pregnant. I knew instantly,

00:02:08.260 instinctively in that moment also what sex it was. And my husband's like, you're crazy. 1.00

00:02:13.300 And I was like, I know this and I'm pregnant and I'm having a blank and everything turned out to 0.91

00:02:20.360 be correct. We just had our 20 week scan. And he's just like, you are a really bizarre human

00:02:24.540 being.

00:02:24.980 You just know, it's just intuitive. And so you're keeping the gender private for now, I'm guessing.

00:02:31.000 Yeah, we are keeping it a secret.

00:02:33.180 That is so exciting. Well, I'm so excited for you. As you know, motherhood changes everything,

00:02:39.020 even when you are just pregnant with a child, like your perspective on the world just changes.

00:02:44.400 Have you experienced that already?

00:02:47.600 Yes, definitely. I mean, one of the things is just that you're already so much more selfless.

00:02:53.960 Me, I love to go into the fight in terms of politics. I love to show up at the protests and

00:02:58.180 do all these things. And suddenly I'm like, I can't do that anymore because I am with child. And the most

00:03:03.240 important thing is my child and the safety of my child. And, you know, you just, there's already,

00:03:09.000 I guess, mother guilt, they call it, you know, if I'm having a super long day, like, you know,

00:03:13.260 before you could just skip lunch and be like, I have to get this done or skip breakfast. And now

00:03:17.700 I'm just like the most selfish thing in the entire world. If I didn't, you know, nourish my body the

00:03:22.740 correct way. So everything, it just feels so much more heightened. And, you know, I was already pro-life,

00:03:28.680 not my whole life. I used to be pro-choice. I was younger and I was liberal. And then I became,

00:03:34.980 I would say, pro-life about five or six years ago, kind of when I came into my conservative awakening.

00:03:40.860 But seeing, it's just incredible. If people knew how much you could see at 10 weeks,

00:03:48.600 go in for an ultrasound and it just makes you really understand how fraudulent the clump of cells,

00:03:55.920 my body, my choice, the true evil of that movement has really come to the forefront.

00:04:01.580 Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Let's talk about your other baby, your proverbial baby, this book.

00:04:07.200 When did this process start? Why did you decide that you wanted to write this book? And what is your

00:04:13.560 hope for this book as more and more people read it?

00:04:17.220 You know, my decision to write the book really came about when I realized that the media

00:04:21.400 had been very successful in creating a caricature of Candace Owens. And the caricature, if you were

00:04:26.740 on the left, was sort of like, this girl is just a fraud is popping up and taking Republican money

00:04:33.520 because she realizes it's better. She used to be a Democrat, all of these things that just weren't

00:04:37.200 true. And then if it was on the right, it was like, this girl is just doing things for attention 0.83

00:04:42.120 and she's theatrical. And, you know, there's really no substance behind anything she says

00:04:47.500 or does. Like she's saying the Democrat plantation, you can't say that that's just to, you know,

00:04:51.620 get under people's skin. And I just felt like I wanted to present something that could assert for

00:04:57.540 people who I actually am, where I came from, what my background is, and why I actually mean what I

00:05:02.460 say. I always say to people, I'm a lot more thoughtful than people give me credit for.

00:05:07.960 Um, and everything that I do, like I remember being killed when I first came out and was doing

00:05:12.880 fun YouTube videos and people were like, Oh, she's just being funny. And it's like, yes,

00:05:17.660 I'm being funny because I know that humor works and culture works. And I understand the significance

00:05:21.120 of culture. Case in point, getting into a beef with Cardi B. Um, that's, that's thoughtful. I

00:05:26.360 understand the significance of the fact that she has 75 million followers who know nothing about

00:05:30.620 politics other than she's sitting down with this candidate. So he must, must be good. Um, so I'm a lot

00:05:36.220 more measured and calculated, um, in the moves that I take to, you know, sort of preserve what I think

00:05:41.800 are American principles and ideals. And this really allowed me to sort of lay the groundwork for,

00:05:46.360 um, what I lived through personally growing up. So people know that I mean these things, um, from my

00:05:51.740 heart, not just from my brain, but also from my heart. Um, and yeah, just, I guess to humanize myself

00:05:58.240 in the end. Yeah. And I know what this book is about. Um, and you just kind of explained some of it,

00:06:04.280 but could you elaborate a little bit more on what this book is and some of the points that you make

00:06:09.800 in it? Yeah. So this book really kind of goes through, I guess, all of the points that I think

00:06:16.480 black Americans and all of Americans need to know about the methodology that the left uses in terms

00:06:21.460 of their favored horse, which is race, right? We're always, in every election cycle, everybody's a

00:06:26.340 racist. You and I have talked about this often. Um, and what I wanted to do was sort of take people

00:06:32.140 through my thought process on all of these points, um, and show you why the left's arguments are

00:06:38.280 fraudulent and to take you through the real history of a Democrat party. Um, so you know that they've

00:06:42.280 always been fraudulent. They've always used sort of this theatrical harping on race, um, to gain

00:06:47.280 themselves power. Um, and, uh, also to tell my personal stories, you know, to mix it. It's not like

00:06:53.340 I'm just saying, you know, the left doesn't support school choice and school choice is good and

00:06:57.700 attacking the public education system, but also taking them through what it was like for me

00:07:02.520 in the public education system. And also absolving at the same time, this sort of plague of white 0.99

00:07:08.480 guilt that we see today with white Americans. I feel so bad. We have to do more. Well, a lot of the 0.98

00:07:13.140 things that are wrong in society are because internally black America has a problem and only 1.00

00:07:16.640 we can fix it. So for example, the education chapter, I talk about how I was severely bullied

00:07:22.180 in middle school, which people will be surprised about, got along great with everybody when I was in

00:07:26.540 elementary school. But then once we started testing and doing state testing, and I tested

00:07:31.000 out of the group with all the minorities and everyone in my class was white, suddenly the 0.98

00:07:35.020 black girls were pushing me into lockers telling me I was acting white. Um, and we have a culture 0.98

00:07:39.660 that believes that, you know, aspiring towards academic success. When I say we are referring to

00:07:43.960 black Americans, aspiring towards academic success, um, is something that is proprietary to white 0.99

00:07:49.500 people. Um, so we actually are, uh, creating, um, uh, just sort of an environment that black 1.00

00:07:56.280 children can't flourish in. And that has nothing to do with white people. It's our culture. It's 0.93

00:07:59.920 celebrating Cardi B when she's making noises for 15 minutes, um, to Joe Biden, um, and not asking him

00:08:06.360 any valid questions. So I just took on education. I took on abortion and just various topics and took

00:08:12.200 them through personal stories, um, as well at the same time.

00:08:14.960 Yeah. Well, this book is so well-timed because it seems like it is less popular than ever,

00:08:21.720 at least according to the mainstream media and our cultural overlords on the left to be able to talk

00:08:28.020 about personal responsibility, um, within any community, but community, but particularly, um,

00:08:33.940 within black America, there are other scholars like John McWhorter who has talked about this.

00:08:38.800 Obviously you probably know Shelby Steele and Larry Elder, but it seems like right now,

00:08:44.960 it is, uh, even more polarizing according to the left to talk about this. I was looking at this

00:08:50.420 interesting Pew research study that shows how Democrats have changed in their perception

00:08:55.580 of racism and discrimination towards black people that it was, um, in 2016 people who voted for Hillary

00:09:03.700 Clinton only, you know, a low percentage of them actually thought that discrimination was the main

00:09:08.880 obstacle for black people. Well, that number has risen by like 25% in the democratic party, 0.99

00:09:14.520 but not in the Republican party. Very few people believe that America is this place of white

00:09:20.560 supremacy and white privilege in the Republican party. But over, over a course of four years,

00:09:26.640 Democrats have dramatically moved to the left and to the extreme on that. So racism hasn't actually

00:09:32.840 increased by any measure, but the perception of racism has, why, why is that happening? Why is that

00:09:39.780 shift taking place so dramatically on the left? Uh, it's because of psychological conditioning and

00:09:45.080 that psychological conditioning is really an entire ecosystem. It's the politicians, right? Who

00:09:49.780 can't, can no longer, um, discern between right and wrong. Uh, meaning years ago, the left and the

00:09:55.120 right could agree on some basic things, right? Alluding and burning down something, no matter what

00:09:59.580 happens is wrong, right? Going after a business owner who's got nothing to do with whatever happened in

00:10:04.180 Minnesota and burning down his business, because you need to express how you feel used to be agreed

00:10:09.420 upon as something that was wrong. Now we have politicians unable to say that, right? The concept

00:10:14.620 of defunding the police used to be something that it would be unfathomable. I can't even say it could

00:10:19.300 be a good one because it's so unfathomable that it could, it would have never even been said. Um,

00:10:23.420 now we have politicians that are encouraging that and backing that and not just the politicians,

00:10:27.320 but the media, right? The media that's saying the same thing. This is why this is happening,

00:10:31.200 justifying this behavior. Um, I always use the analogy of if you have a toddler, um, and your

00:10:36.820 toddler is, uh, throwing a temper tantrum on the floor and demanding and saying that they need

00:10:41.620 something while the parent that then says to them, your, your emotions are completely justified.

00:10:46.060 You have every right to scream and cry for this lollipop and throw things down in the store. Um, uh, 0.99

00:10:50.940 and, uh, I'm going to give you the lollipop and that, that then reinforces to that toddler that 0.99

00:10:55.440 this behavior is okay. Um, and that their feelings are valid. Um, and right now we have a group of

00:11:00.660 people that don't have the spine and all of these institutions, organizations and corporations

00:11:05.160 that don't have the spine to say to these people, these radicals, uh, you know, it's not all black 0.63

00:11:10.240 people. It's not all white people. We're talking about Antifa and black life matter thugs, um, 0.95

00:11:14.740 that their behavior is wrong. Um, and then you have the school system, um, which you and I have

00:11:19.600 talked about, which is now handing down, um, an educational manual that basically says you are

00:11:24.380 oppressed and you are the oppressor depending on your skin color. Um, and we have not had, um,

00:11:30.380 you know, we, we have not fought back to that. Um, we haven't, we haven't fought back on that

00:11:35.040 enough. Um, it's just starting, but we, there needs to be a significant pushback from parents

00:11:40.300 on this sort of psychological conditioning. In many ways, we're seeing a system, an education system,

00:11:45.180 which seeks to undermine parents and replace the parents in raising these kids. Um, that can only

00:11:50.120 really be Marxist at the end of the day. If those of you believe are completely absolved from all

00:11:54.420 guilt and it's the system and the white man that's out to get you.

00:12:07.960 Yeah. That simplistic worldview of the oppressed versus the oppressor based not on anything you've

00:12:13.120 experienced or done, but just, uh, based on your skin color. And that idea, it seems like has become

00:12:19.300 more popular again, not as America has actually become more racist, but as it's become more

00:12:24.840 lucrative to talk about racism and critical race theory. And I'm wondering how corporations,

00:12:32.200 I get these emails a lot and you probably do too, from people who are in a business and they're saying,

00:12:36.920 you know, my company is doing this diversity and inclusion training. And I'm told as a white male

00:12:41.620 that I'm racist. How do I push back against that? Or parents who see curriculum in their children's

00:12:47.180 school about black lives matter and all this stuff that they don't agree with, but they feel powerless

00:12:51.440 to speak up because they don't want to be seen as racist because they're not. Do you have any advice

00:12:56.300 or encouragement for people who feel like, you know, they're just yelling out in the wilderness

00:13:02.140 and who don't have any support? Should they say something? And if so, how?

00:13:06.680 Yeah. I mean, there, I, there, there's either two ways it happens. Either a coalition of people,

00:13:10.280 um, and they say something, um, and they try to get things resolved the right way, of course,

00:13:14.160 by just voicing your concerns and, and not just voicing your concerns, but saying that you're not

00:13:18.320 going to tolerate it. It's not, you shouldn't go in like it's a negotiation. Um, someone telling

00:13:22.180 your kid that they're privileged, um, because of the color of their skin is it's racism. That's

00:13:26.020 the very definition of racism, right? Assigning attributes to somebody based on the color of their

00:13:30.100 skin. Um, and we have laws that protect against that. So I have been waiting for like the massive

00:13:35.820 lawsuit of a bunch of white parents coming together and suing, um, a school, um, for this sort of

00:13:41.380 behavior, for handing down packets that are literally by definition racist. Um, and I had

00:13:46.280 a young woman, two young women that were twins that I babysat when they were eight and they're

00:13:50.060 now 16. And they told me in, in New York school, they go to a private school to leave, it costs

00:13:55.000 $50,000 a year. Um, and they have to take this multicultural course and they have to go around 1.00

00:13:59.800 the room and share, um, why they know, um, that they are privileged because of the color of their skin.

00:14:04.860 It is unimaginable for me to, if I had a child who was black, right. Uh, for a teacher to tell 1.00

00:14:10.380 them to encourage, to go around the room and tell them why they know, um, that something is

00:14:14.840 fundamentally wrong because of their skin color. Like they, that they get something in life because 1.00

00:14:18.700 of their skin color. Also during black history month, those same students who had to go to an

00:14:22.540 auditorium and all of the black kids in their school were invited to go onto stage and yell at

00:14:26.460 the white people and tell them like just to them, um, what, yeah, what it is like for them to be 0.98

00:14:31.220 black and how wrong and how privileged they are. Um, it's unimaginable, but this is what's happening 1.00

00:14:35.900 in the school system. And if parents, like if, if my child attended that school, um, I would be

00:14:40.480 suing. I mean, there's no question. This would, it would be litigation for me, uh, because that is,

00:14:44.460 that is racism and we've already won that war in America. Um, and now we're seeing people that

00:14:49.440 seek to initiate it, to reinitiate it again. Yeah. And it's not that it's just, um,

00:14:55.860 uh, a negative impact on the white students or white people. I mean, this is bad for the black 0.94

00:15:01.520 students, for the nonwhite students as well. I mean, this kind of cultural segregation or actual

00:15:06.760 segregation that's happening in some places I saw, I think it was the university of Michigan

00:15:11.320 that is having like racially segregated safe spaces. I mean, this isn't good for anyone of any

00:15:18.440 race. I also saw another study that showed that these diversity and inclusion trainings,

00:15:23.720 that it's been found that it actually leads to more implicit bias, more discrimination,

00:15:29.400 more resentment between the races, which is such an obvious conclusion to all of us.

00:15:35.080 Where do you think this ends up? If people don't read your book and apply its wisdom,

00:15:39.440 if people continue to go down this path of intersectionality and critical race theory,

00:15:45.320 we're going to end up in a resegregated society. And, and, and I wrote about this in my book. It's

00:15:50.400 mind boggling to consider that just a couple of decades ago, uh, Ruby Bridges was considered,

00:15:55.920 you know, she still is, you know, the face of integration, um, being yelled at, spat at by white 0.68

00:16:01.020 Democrats. Um, you know, as she sought to just be able to attend the same school as white people,

00:16:05.960 it's, it would have been unimaginable after that major win, um, to say, Hey, Ruby Bridges,

00:16:12.000 just, you know, in a couple of decades, black kids will, it'll be reversed and black kids will 1.00

00:16:15.320 be segregating themselves. Um, it's so crazy to think that we are as black, black America is now 0.94

00:16:21.120 demanding their own segregation after everything that our ancestors fought for and how hard they

00:16:25.100 fought for it. And if we continue down this path, you're exactly right. Uh, society is going to

00:16:29.480 become more racially polarized, um, because it's natural. I mean, I thought about that even when

00:16:34.540 I kept seeing people who were not saying racist things that kept being called racist. How does that

00:16:39.380 not make you feel resentful? If you have, you're not allowed to express yourself. You're not allowed to

00:16:43.520 say an opinion. Like maybe you just don't like Candace Owens because you disagree with an opinion,

00:16:47.520 but you say that now and Ali, you're a racist, you know what I mean? I don't like Candace because 0.90

00:16:52.120 you're black. And it's like, no, I don't like Candace because I don't like her positions. I'm this, 0.99

00:16:55.620 this, and that. And you get shut down and you're told to shut up. That is naturally going to cause 0.98

00:16:59.980 white people to feel resentful. They're not allowed to, to express themselves when everything that they 0.91

00:17:04.300 say, if it's, if it's said against a black person is interpreted as racism, it's wrong. And then amongst

00:17:10.180 black America, even you're seeing this sort of severance happen, um, which I'm happy about only 1.00

00:17:15.320 because there needed to be this sort of an ideological civil war in our community, because

00:17:19.180 we were thinking like such a monolith in the past. Um, but at the same time, you're seeing that,

00:17:24.020 uh, even black people are beginning to resent one another, depending on what side you're on.

00:17:28.560 Like if you're not oppressed and you're not down with us and, you know, you can't be, 0.96

00:17:33.500 you can't be black. And then you have the other people that are like, you are making this hard for us 0.84

00:17:37.240 when we're, you know, we've, where we have everything we're afforded. We're the most

00:17:40.300 privileged black American black people that have ever walked the face of the planet.

00:17:43.540 And you're trying to send us back. Um, so you're absolutely right that no matter which way you

00:17:48.460 look at it, it's going to lead to a more, um, ideologically segregated, um, and a physically

00:17:53.700 segregated society. Yeah. And the democratic party obviously is exacerbating this because 0.53

00:17:58.900 they believe that kind of division will help them usher in the collectivist left-wing future that

00:18:05.480 they want. That's what I think this is all about. That racism is really just a flashpoint for the

00:18:10.000 Marxist, uh, revolution that they are trying to wage that it's not really about black lives or police

00:18:15.520 brutality at all. It's about causing division that they hope will allow them to burn down the current

00:18:21.240 institutions in order to rebuild the kind of dystopian future that they want. Why do you think it is

00:18:28.880 that you point this out in your book, that the disparities between, um, black Americans and white

00:18:35.480 Americans has not changed, even though they have been voting black Americans, uh, predominantly for

00:18:44.420 Democrats who have promised to save them for decades. Why do you think it is that predominantly black 1.00

00:18:50.440 Americans are voting for the people who have over promised and under delivered so many times? 0.94

00:18:57.200 Uh, because white guilt is not an antidote to the problems that are plaguing black America.

00:19:02.440 Government is never an antidote to problems that are, are plaguing any community. The answer is

00:19:07.240 never more government. And you and I know this, Ali, you talk a lot on your podcast about faith.

00:19:11.800 Uh, we talk a lot about family. Uh, we talk a lot about personal responsibility. Uh, what's happening

00:19:16.500 now is as you tread towards a more Marxist society and people that believe in Marxism, even if they don't

00:19:21.520 recognize that it is in fact Marxism, um, is that they begin to worship, uh, government as if it

00:19:27.140 is God, they begin to see their government as if it's a family unit, as if it's mom and dad.

00:19:32.080 Um, and the, those sorts of things and those sorts of triumphs and successes can only come from the

00:19:36.820 individual. That is why it is remarkable when you look at statistics to understand that black America 0.51

00:19:41.960 across almost every metric was doing better, um, under Jim Crow laws than they are today.

00:19:47.240 And what I'm talking about, uh, versus today, I'm talking about, um, you know, education wise,

00:19:52.020 job wise, uh, we had the last time that we had lower, it's a very interesting statistic. The last

00:19:57.380 time that black Americans, um, had a lower unemployment rate than white Americans, it was in

00:20:03.220 1930. Um, and that was just ahead of, uh, the government stepping in and demanding minimum wage

00:20:10.620 so that black Americans no longer compete. So at every point in society, which I talk about in my book, 0.98

00:20:15.660 every time the government got involved, things got worse for black America, especially when it comes

00:20:20.260 to the family. And if we don't return to a society where we start valuing the individual,

00:20:24.240 um, and we start valuing the family, um, and we keep treading towards a society that believes in

00:20:29.360 the government, we are just going to see this plague of narcissism that has, you know, no,

00:20:34.700 no good benefits, no results, just the fundamental destruction of Western civilization and all

00:20:39.740 civilizations that, you know, these sort of Marxist narcissist ideologies have ever come into.

00:20:45.400 Yeah. We hear that some of the disparities and problems that you're talking about are

00:20:49.640 a result of a, the legacy of slavery and B systemic racism. Do you think there's any,

00:20:56.100 any truth to those assertions? Yeah. I mean, every time somebody says systemic racism,

00:21:01.100 you know, implies that the system is in and of itself racist. You ask one question,

00:21:05.220 what is it that I can't do as a black woman in America, Allie, that you can't do?

00:21:10.620 But what is the, just give me the one law. What is it that you're like, okay,

00:21:14.540 Allie can do this, but Candace can't do this. It doesn't exist. 1.00

00:21:17.280 Right. Like that exists in your head. The barrier exists in your head. And that is,

00:21:21.900 that is the problem right now for black America is that we have an illness that is in our head

00:21:25.960 and it's not our fault. You know, like I said, there are these institutions that are, are LeBron

00:21:30.320 James, you know, saying we're literally being hunted, this sort of language rhetoric coming

00:21:34.960 from people that they believe in and that they idolize. This is why the Bible preaches against

00:21:38.960 idolatry, right? Because this happens when you idolize people like LeBron James, um, is that you

00:21:43.740 start to believe in his reality and what he's telling you. And he is not a God. He is a good

00:21:47.440 basketball player. And that is all he will ever be. Um, you know, one of the biggest,

00:21:51.000 the most satanic things about America today is actually Hollywood. Um, and this, this form of

00:21:55.980 idolatry and believing everything that people like Cardi B and LeBron James say. Um, and it's,

00:22:01.160 it's, it's harming individuals. There is no such thing as systemic racism. This country affords

00:22:05.940 everybody the same opportunity, but you have to want to work hard. And, you know,

00:22:09.800 I talk about this in my book, um, in the chapter on faith, I believe. Um, I talk about how really

00:22:15.900 what's playing black America it's, it's fear. Um, what comes with freedom, you know, freedom is 0.80

00:22:20.780 almost synonymous with personal responsibility. Like once you're actually free and there are no

00:22:25.260 barriers, then that means that you have to be 100% responsible for yourself. You either make it or you

00:22:30.460 break it. Right. And that's a really hard thing for people that are so used to having been oppressed,

00:22:35.580 which black Americans were, and could point to that oppression and say, look, we do not

00:22:39.680 have equalities by Americans. And that's why we're lagging. But what happens is suddenly you're

00:22:43.420 given equality, right? Or do you just say, okay, that's it. Now you're actually given equality.

00:22:48.340 It's a tremendous burden and it's really scary. Personal responsibility is really hard. It's

00:22:53.240 still hard for me right now as a business owner, every single day to realize that, uh, my business

00:22:58.040 could fail or my business could be great, but it takes an amount of courage. And what you're taking

00:23:02.260 away from these kids, when you condition to them from the time that they're young to believe

00:23:05.360 that no matter what, it's not your fault, no matter what you can point to some oppression

00:23:08.920 is you're, you're fundamentally creating kids that don't have the confidence, uh, to be brave,

00:23:13.880 to, to try, right. To fail. We've all failed, um, in various different ways across our lifetimes,

00:23:19.460 but to keep getting back up. Um, and that to me is the true evil, um, of the left today is that

00:23:25.420 they're able to fail before they ever even try. Where do you think Republicans in the right have

00:23:31.200 maybe failed in reaching out to black Americans? Do you think that, or do you think that they have

00:23:37.540 done a very effective job? They definitely have not done a good job. And I don't think anybody

00:23:44.140 would say the Republicans have been so amazing. Um, but I understand it and I, and I sympathize

00:23:49.740 with it because like I said, I can't imagine what it would be like if every time you opened your mouth,

00:23:54.200 you were called a racist, right? If you're like, Hey, I really want to help you. And it's like,

00:23:57.860 no, you don't get it. If you don't support this, you're a racist. Um, you, you know, 0.90

00:24:01.240 you wouldn't be, you wouldn't be so trigger friendly. You'd be trigger shy. Um, and you

00:24:05.040 just say, you know what, forget it. This is just never going to happen. And they don't see it. They

00:24:09.280 don't get it. And you just don't try anymore. And I think that that's what's kind of happened to

00:24:13.600 Republicans, um, over time is that they just stopped trying because so many of them are smeared

00:24:18.960 and libeled as racists for literally trying to get out there and help. Um, so I think now though,

00:24:25.540 I would like to think that with so many conservative voices like me, black conservative

00:24:30.040 voices who have purposefully changed the dialogue and personally changed it as in I always wanted

00:24:36.200 to be, I knew I was never going to be a Dr. Ben Carson. He's way more brilliant than me. He's a

00:24:40.500 neurosurgeon. He's separated conjoined twins. Okay. He wins. He's smarter, smarter than Candace than all of

00:24:45.800 us. Smarter than us. Okay, fine. I knew I wasn't going to be a Dr. Condoleezza Rice. Uh, you know,

00:24:52.420 she's, she's just incredibly accomplished woman plays the piano, but I did realize that I could 0.88

00:24:57.460 have, um, you know, I could have a greater impact than them. And I spoke to Dr. Ben Carson about

00:25:03.440 this and he said, why do you think it is Candace, um, that you've been able to do so much in just a

00:25:07.880 little bit of time. And I've been working my whole life towards this. And I said to him, uh, well,

00:25:11.920 you know, respectfully, Dr. Carson, you were just too polite. Um, that is what was missing. Like

00:25:16.800 this, when people think that I'm abrasive, I'm abrasive for a reason, uh, because I understand

00:25:21.000 the plague in black America's father absence. I understand that when you remove fathers from the 0.97

00:25:25.240 home, these people don't know how to respond to authority because they've never had to do it.

00:25:29.220 There is no dad at home. You think they want to listen to their teachers in school. You want to

00:25:32.800 know why they're failing in school and why they're rude to their teachers and why they,

00:25:35.940 that transpires people that are rude to police officers and people that are, you know, inside

00:25:39.580 of the system. It's because they don't know what authority is because people usually just let them get

00:25:43.460 what they want. And I wanted to push back. I wanted to give birth to black conservatives who 0.98

00:25:48.840 were proud and unapologetically black conservatives and didn't just take being called an uncle Tom and

00:25:53.740 sit down. Right. And I've done that. I fought back. I wasn't going to just take party B attacking me.

00:25:58.880 Right. And in the past, I think if it was Dr. Ben Carson, he would have been like, I, I, I, you know,

00:26:03.900 I separate conjoined twins. I don't get into public. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a need for that

00:26:10.060 cultural megaphone and there just aren't very many. Um, I don't, there aren't very many black women in 1.00

00:26:17.660 particular saying what you say and doing what you do in a way that cuts through all the noise and

00:26:24.120 doesn't use any kind of subliminal messaging or you don't acquiesce ever. That's something I've

00:26:30.220 noticed. You don't even give an inch or a centimeter to the other side when you are confident in your

00:26:36.300 position. And I think that's part of the reason why you have just exploded and become so successful

00:26:40.960 because you say the things that people are thinking, but they're too scared to say. And

00:26:47.700 you give a voice to a lot of people, no matter what their skin color is in your, in your boldness.

00:26:53.820 And I think that that is, um, a huge service to culture, but also, uh, a huge reason why you have

00:27:00.960 just, uh, accomplished so much, uh, so quickly, but as you write in your book, it's not necessarily

00:27:07.180 just overnight. Your life has kind of been building up to this in a way, right?

00:27:13.120 Yeah. I mean, that's the, that is, that's God, right? He, he's got, he's got the plan long before

00:27:17.940 you understand it. And it's so funny now to go back, you know, yesterday I was having a conversation

00:27:21.980 with my little sister and I was so emotional thinking about it because there were so many times

00:27:25.700 growing up that I hated being the girl that was impoverished. I hated being the girl that lived in,

00:27:32.680 you know, a roach infested apartment. And my parents couldn't afford for me to go on field trips.

00:27:37.000 And I hated God in those moments. And that sounds so blasphemous to say out loud, but you do, you

00:27:42.700 know, you, you, you blame God when you're a kid. It's like, why me God? Right. And, um, and horrible

00:27:49.500 things that happened to me in the first chapter, I talk about, you know, a hate crime, um, that I

00:27:53.560 lived through in high school. And it was again, that same attitude, that same angry, why me God,

00:27:58.000 why do I have this life? Why was I raised this way? And then now I, he's unveiled part of his hand to

00:28:04.680 me. And it's like, because I had to live through that because the first thing that left would have

00:28:08.640 done if I hadn't lived through that was try to take away, Oh, well, she grew up rich. She, you know, 1.00

00:28:13.500 she grew up with a two pair, she grew up in a two pair home. She, all of these things that somehow

00:28:17.320 discount what you're saying, right. In the same way that Ali, you're white. So you don't get it. 0.95

00:28:21.380 Well, I'm black. I grew up impoverished. I had to work for everything I had. I started my life in debt.

00:28:26.560 Um, and God wanted it that way because he knew, um, you know, that it would just, it would give me,

00:28:31.920 um, the strength and the ability to be able to say what I say. And people would, would not be able

00:28:36.320 to discount my words, um, because of these various things. So everything, honestly, now in retrospect,

00:28:44.000 um, it's just, it's all God. You know what I mean? It's just, it's so much bigger and more complex

00:28:48.520 and greater than we'll ever understand. Definitely. Okay. One last question that I meant to get to

00:28:53.900 earlier, but I just want to hear quickly how you believe that president Trump is delivering on his

00:28:59.880 promises, not just to black America, but America in general and why you support him and you encourage

00:29:05.540 other people to as well. Yeah. You know, I've always said is the president does not, and I know

00:29:10.400 him quite well now, and the president does not care about race or color. Um, the, actually the one 0.96

00:29:15.600 color he cares about is green. He likes money. He likes success and he likes to win. Um, and actually

00:29:20.880 that philosophy of success is that that's the one thing we can all share in this country.

00:29:25.040 And that's always been the American philosophy. If you can come here with the clothes on your back,

00:29:29.000 if you're willing to play by the rules, stay out of trouble and work hard and make good decisions,

00:29:32.980 this country will reward you. Um, and I think that what I love about Trump is that first and foremost,

00:29:38.680 it had to be him, uh, because of the same reasons that I just listed the Candace versus, uh,

00:29:43.380 Dr. Ben Carson personality. We needed someone who wouldn't buckle when he was called a racist,

00:29:47.960 right. Um, that he would just continue to be a good president, that he would continue,

00:29:51.940 um, you know, to make sure that there were jobs available to continue to get people off

00:29:55.880 of government assistance. Someone who doesn't believe in welfare is not going to get up and say,

00:29:59.320 um, at his state of the union address, uh, more, we've given out more welfare benefits than other

00:30:04.120 ever before, which is exactly, um, what Barack Obama did in the black caucus cheered. And, and

00:30:09.120 he understands that this is a country that is built on the concept of free markets and capitalism,

00:30:14.520 um, and Judeo-Christian beliefs, you know, his fight, uh, for faith, for, for, for the faith

00:30:20.280 community is a huge thing. Uh, because as I said, one of the biggest things playing in America today

00:30:24.920 is narcissism. Um, and Ali, you do a great job of talking about this in your book. Um, and, and if we

00:30:31.640 can't fight for all of those things, right, Judeo-Christian beliefs, capitalism, and free markets,

00:30:36.500 to me, Trump has done all of those things and he has defended all of those things and defended the

00:30:40.780 freedoms of the constitution every single day while he's in office. Um, do I have issues? Do I,

00:30:46.200 do I think Trump is a perfect person? No. Do I think Trump is the perfect person for what we are

00:30:50.940 going through in American society today? Yes. The, the ideological war. Do I think he is the right

00:30:55.660 person to lead us? Um, you know, at this moment in time? Yes. Do we need a president Trump forever,

00:31:00.980 a boisterous person like this? No. Do we need a president Trump right now? Absolutely. Um, and it,

00:31:07.060 it just, it just had to be someone with his character. So I fully support him and I hope

00:31:10.980 he wins in a landslide and it would feel really great for all of us who have just been going,

00:31:15.120 what the heck is not in America? Right, right, right. Well, tell everyone where they can buy

00:31:20.540 your book and anywhere else you want to send them as well. Yes. Anywhere that sells books,

00:31:25.140 you can go on Amazon. I think they're on backorder right now. Um, Barnes and Noble is a great place to

00:31:29.500 go. Um, uh, but you can walk into any bookstore, uh, and pick it up and, uh, thank you guys.

00:31:35.380 Also, I just want to thank everybody. This has been a huge dream of mine, uh, to be a published

00:31:39.980 bestselling author and it's becoming a reality. Oh, that's so exciting. Yay. Yay. Well,

00:31:46.620 congratulations. Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to me. You have been all over Fox and

00:31:51.880 the major networks and all that good stuff. And I just hope that you sell millions and millions of

00:31:55.680 copies. So thank you so much. And congratulations again. Thank you, Allie. Thanks for having me.

00:32:01.420 Guys. I hope you loved that conversation. Make sure that you go pick up her book. She mentioned

00:32:06.460 my book at the end of that conversation. You're not enough. And that's okay. Escaping the toxic

00:32:11.480 culture of self-love a great pairing with this book. I would say you can go to AllieBethStuckey.com

00:32:17.640 slash book to pick that up. If you're interested, join women's book club with Allie Stuckey on Facebook. 0.82

00:32:22.400 We are going through a discrimination and disparities with Thomas soul right now, which, um, actually is,

00:32:28.900 uh, talking about a lot of the principles and concepts that Candace talked about today and

00:32:33.000 talked about in her book. So again, another great book to go with, uh, the other books that I've

00:32:38.080 suggested. Okay. I hope that you have a great rest of your day and a great weekend. We will be back here

00:32:42.980 on Monday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - September 18, 2020

Ep 302 ｜ Candace Owens on Black America ｜ Guest： Candace Owens

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