Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 305 ｜ Breonna Taylor： Truth in Love

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Friday. I know that I said that I was going to have

00:00:15.240 an interview today with Christopher Rufo. I'm actually going to publish that next Friday.

00:00:22.440 Today, I wanted to take time to talk about Breonna Taylor and this case. Yet again, violent

00:00:29.280 riots are ravaging a city, this time the city of Louisville, Kentucky. And so we need to talk about

00:00:35.960 this case, what actually happened, what the verdict was, what the controversy is, and bust some myths.

00:00:42.960 And once again, remind ourselves what justice actually looks like, in particular, according to

00:00:49.980 the God who created it. So that is what we are going to discuss today. I am tired, as I'm sure

00:00:57.760 a lot of you guys are. I stayed up late last night. I'm recording this on Thursday. And so

00:01:03.020 on Wednesday night, I stayed up late just trying to gather as many details as I could to make sure

00:01:10.480 that I can give y'all the most accurate portrayal as possible. And just like after the George Floyd

00:01:19.340 incident, I want to speak the truth in love. And when I say in love, I really mean that. I want to

00:01:28.140 show compassion. I want to show sympathy. I want to make clear that Breonna Taylor was a human being

00:01:35.480 made in the image of God. That means that her life mattered just as much as anyone else's. And it is

00:01:43.120 a tragedy that she died. That said, it is not loving for me to simply latch on to the mainstream dogma

00:01:52.480 because it makes me sound like some kind of hero or it makes me sound like some kind of social justice

00:02:03.280 hero and who wants to solicit some kind of praise for being on, quote, the right side of history.

00:02:13.260 As tempting as that is, when things like this happen to just say, you know, jump on to the emotional

00:02:19.820 mainstream narrative. I don't think that's loving. I don't think that's kind. I don't think that's

00:02:25.400 empathetic. As I've said before, false narratives kill the two police officers that were shot in

00:02:31.660 Compton. That is in part a result of the false narrative that white police officers are going

00:02:38.620 out and hunting unarmed black people and that disproportionately the black community is being 0.98

00:02:45.360 targeted by fatal force by the police. As we have talked about so many times on this podcast, 0.94

00:02:51.620 that is simply not factual. That's not factual. And we'll talk about that a little bit more today.

00:02:57.860 Facts matter. The truth matters. It is not unloving. It is not unkind. It is not racist. It is not

00:03:05.880 lacking compassion to make sure that we know the facts of the case and to clarify what went on and

00:03:13.620 to dig into this verdict to be able to discern whether or not justice truly was executed. And I'm

00:03:21.320 going to try my best to do that today. I'm just, you know, a finite, fallible person. And so

00:03:26.780 there's certainly a possibility that I get things wrong. And as always, it's incumbent upon you to

00:03:32.060 do your own research. You guys hold me accountable. If I say something that's wrong or needs further

00:03:36.720 clarity, you guys tell me and I do my best to correct that as soon as I can. And so this episode

00:03:44.140 is no different. So let's talk about what happened. Like I said, violent riots have broken out

00:03:51.420 in Louisville, Kentucky, where two officers have been shot in those riots. And this began after news

00:04:00.040 came out that only one officer in the Breonna Taylor case was indicted. And he was indicted for

00:04:07.320 endangerment because he fired a weapon, the bullets of which apparently went into an adjacent apartment.

00:04:14.900 Apparently, he fired his gun without being able to see where his gun was pointed. It was the bullets

00:04:22.860 went in a direction that was out of his line of sight and potentially endangered the three people

00:04:29.380 that were in the adjacent apartment. And so he has been indicted on that charge. And that is a class

00:04:36.100 D felony. Now, the reason why people are upset is because people say that because Breonna Taylor

00:04:42.780 was shot and killed by the police, that these police officers, all of them should be charged with

00:04:48.360 murder. But homicide in the state of Kentucky and in all states has a specific definition. And there is

00:04:55.640 some level of intentionality that is required to convict someone of homicide, to convict someone of

00:05:03.280 murder. And after months of investigations, they have found that there was not an intentionality there

00:05:09.940 to kill anyone, but especially in particular to kill Breonna Taylor. Does that mean that her life

00:05:17.540 doesn't matter, that it's being minimized? Not at all. But let's talk a little bit more about what

00:05:24.420 actually happened. Unfortunately, there's been a lot of misinformation going on about this. We have

00:05:32.900 heard that the police officers were in the wrong apartment, that she was not even supposed to be a

00:05:42.640 part of their investigation, that they went into the wrong place and they just shot and killed her

00:05:49.540 without any regard whatsoever to her life. Well, that's not true. I'm going to link a USA Today article.

00:05:56.680 I think that they did a very good and thorough and pretty fair job of assessing the situation and

00:06:02.700 giving us all of the facts. I am not going to get into every single nook and cranny of this. I'm going

00:06:08.700 to summarize it. But like I said, I will include this link in the description, either on YouTube or

00:06:14.220 on whatever podcast app you are listening. And you should read this article yourself and you should

00:06:21.660 dig into it. But to summarize, the police, after months of surveillance and investigation, had reason,

00:06:28.480 lots of reasons to believe that Breonna Taylor was heavily involved in a notorious narcotics ring in 1.00

00:06:35.960 Louisville. Her name and address were on the warrant. So it is simply not true that this was a mistaken

00:06:45.440 entry, that they accidentally went to the wrong place. She was not the center of this investigation,

00:06:51.700 but she was very closely correlated to connected to the center of this investigation. She the center of

00:07:02.740 this investigation is actually already a convicted drug dealer. And he is heard on a recorded jailhouse

00:07:11.440 phone call saying that Breonna Taylor handled all of his money from these deals. He was seen delivering

00:07:18.160 packages to Breonna Taylor's home. And there were a variety of factors that played into their suspicions

00:07:27.500 that Breonna Taylor was playing a role in this narcotics ring. So the police, after months of

00:07:35.600 investigation, they finally get a warrant and they go to their home. And as is corroborated by an

00:07:43.480 eyewitness, they did knock and they did announce themselves. That was another piece of misinformation

00:07:49.140 that we have been hearing for months now, that it was a no knock warrant, meaning that you are able to

00:07:55.600 just go into a home without announcing yourselves, which sometimes is actually necessary if you are

00:08:03.100 busting up an active drug ring. As I was reading, it is very common for drug dealers to protect their

00:08:11.700 drugs with guns. And so sometimes it is necessary for police to not announce themselves. But in this

00:08:19.600 case, it was not a no knock warrant. They did knock, they did announce themselves, they did break down

00:08:25.620 the door. And after knocking, after announcing themselves, Kenneth Walker, who was allegedly Breonna

00:08:32.100 Taylor's boyfriend at the time, shot at the officers and shot one of the officers in the thigh. And it was

00:08:40.700 after that that the two other police officers shot at Kenneth Walker. And unfortunately, a bullet only

00:08:49.660 grazed Kenneth Walker and actually shot Breonna Taylor. I think it was six or so times and very

00:08:57.580 tragically, she died. Now, I don't know the exact positioning of them. Apparently, they were standing

00:09:03.600 side by side, how it's possible that he was only grazed with a bullet and she was shot six times.

00:09:10.520 I'm not totally sure. Did he use her as a human shield? I don't I don't know. But those are the

00:09:19.240 circumstances that were surrounding her tragic death. We don't know for sure that Breonna Taylor

00:09:26.020 was involved in a drug dealing ring. We believe in innocence until proven guilty. But according to

00:09:32.020 police reports, they had several reasons to believe she was. That is why not not her death was justified,

00:09:39.000 but that is why the warrant was justified. There's been an argument that they should have never been

00:09:43.100 there in the first place. Well, they actually had a lot of reasons to believe that they should

00:09:47.620 be there. So I'm not saying that because she may have been involved in a narcotic string that that's

00:09:53.420 a death sentence and that her death was justified. But the presence of the police there was apparently

00:10:01.660 justified. Chris Cuomo repeated this lie that the attorneys of Kenneth Walker had repeated that,

00:10:19.940 oh, Kenneth Walker, he didn't actually he he's not the one who shot the police officer. So the shooting

00:10:26.160 back was completely unjustified. They tried to make the case that the police just came in there and

00:10:31.020 started shooting them while Breonna Taylor was in bed. Well, that's not true. That has been

00:10:37.440 contradicted by by evidence. Attorney General Daniel Cameron of Kentucky pointed out, quote,

00:10:44.640 in addition to all the testimony, the ballistics report shows that the round that struck Sergeant

00:10:49.560 Mattingly, that is the police officer that was shot by Kenneth Walker, was fired from a nine

00:10:55.440 millimeter handgun. The LMPD officers fired 40 caliber handgun. So Chris Cuomo said on CNN, the same

00:11:04.160 thing that Walker's attorneys had been trying to say, that it was actually friendly fire from the police

00:11:08.560 officers that that hit Sergeant Mattingly. But those were different bullets. The police officers were using

00:11:18.280 guns with particular bullets. And Kenneth Walker was using a gun with a particular bullet and the bullets

00:11:24.660 that Kenneth Walker was using matches the bullet that was in Sergeant Mattingly's thigh. So Chris Cuomo

00:11:32.300 is repeating a lie. The attorneys tried to push this lie, but it is simply not true. From what we know,

00:11:40.260 Walker shot at the police. He struck the police officer in his thigh. Police officers shot back and

00:11:46.700 tragically accidentally, Breonna Taylor died in the crossfire. Was that intentional? According to the

00:11:55.500 investigations and court, according to the evidence that we have, it was not intentional. So this was

00:12:01.320 never going to be a charge of murder. It just, it just wasn't. Every attorney that you talk to, even

00:12:09.960 members of the NAACP that are, that have been watching this case and following this case have said that

00:12:16.040 it's just not possible for them to be charged with murder. That's just not a justifiable charge or

00:12:22.320 justifiable indictment in this case. I want you to listen to a little bit of the speech that was

00:12:30.440 given, the announcement that was given by Attorney General Daniel Cameron. After he lays out the case,

00:12:36.040 he, I encourage you, by the way, I'll include the link to the entire speech. I encourage you to

00:12:40.700 listen to the entire thing. He lays out the case. He's very slow. He's very methodical. He lays out

00:12:47.120 the evidence and the case that they are making to come to the conclusions that they did. And he really,

00:12:55.480 he really works hard to make sure that there is a lot of clarity and that people realize how

00:13:02.520 difficult it was for them to come to this conclusion. But I think what he says here about

00:13:07.360 justice is absolutely spot on. Mob justice is not justice. Justice sought by violence

00:13:15.000 is not justice. It just becomes revenge. And in our system, criminal justice isn't the quest for

00:13:23.880 revenge. It's the quest for truth, evidence and facts and the use of that truth as we fairly apply

00:13:32.980 our laws. So of course, he's right. We have talked about this many times. Mob justice is not justice.

00:13:40.960 Justice is not. And this is what I've realized a lot of these activists and writers seem to not

00:13:46.880 understand that justice is not just the greatest and most severe consequence possible because something

00:13:56.160 happened that was bad. Like that is not justice. We have due process. We have a system. We had a grand

00:14:04.260 jury, a jury of of their peers here going through the process and looking at the evidence, hearing the

00:14:12.460 arguments and through that found that there was no intentionality there and killing anyone in that

00:14:18.480 apartment, in particular, Breonna Taylor, which means there's not going to be a charge of murder.

00:14:22.620 And the one officer that was indicted, the reason why the endangerment charge wasn't about his

00:14:31.120 endangerment of Breonna Taylor's life is because they didn't find that in shooting towards Kenneth

00:14:37.260 Walker and towards Breonna Taylor, that that he was acting in a way that lacked caring caution.

00:14:45.300 But when he shot in the direction of another apartment without even looking, that is

00:14:52.060 how that is when they determined that he was not using the proper care and caution. And so they

00:14:59.100 went through the process. They sought the truth. They looked at the evidence. It would have been a lot

00:15:04.300 easier, guys, for them, you know, according to public opinion, for them to charge these people to convict

00:15:11.180 these people, indict these police officers on the charges of murder. That would have been the popular

00:15:18.980 thing for them to do. If you go to Daniel Cameron, he is a black man and he is a Republican, the first

00:15:25.260 Republican AG in Kentucky since 1948. He really is an incredible, an incredible guy and has done a

00:15:34.260 really good job so far. If you go to his Instagram and you see the last post that he posted and all of

00:15:39.040 the comments on there, I mean, you've never seen more racist comments in your life coming from so-called

00:15:45.220 lovers of justice and advocates of equality for all, as you will see on that comment thread on his

00:15:57.120 latest Instagram because he did not do what they want. Now, these people cannot articulate what real

00:16:04.200 justice would look like and why murder charges are actually real justice. Again, justice is not the

00:16:11.080 most severe punishment for a case that you think solicits it. That is not what justice is. Justice

00:16:17.560 is due process, looking at the truth and judging impartially. As we've talked about 100 million times

00:16:24.680 on this podcast, true justice, biblical justice, which is the only true justice because God created

00:16:30.440 justice and the whole due process system is based on God's system of justice in the Bible, whether you

00:16:36.980 like it or not. True justice is impartial. It is direct, is proportionate. It is truthful. And it sounds

00:16:44.020 like from this process, that is what the AG, that is what the court sought in this case. 0.75

00:17:00.440 Let us remember as well, as people are saying, oh, this is because she was black. And this is just

00:17:08.860 another situation in which black people are degraded and their lives are minimized by the police and the

00:17:16.300 justice system. Let us remember that a very similar situation happened around the same time to someone

00:17:24.040 by the name, a white man by the name of Duncan Limp. He was reportedly sleeping in his home in March when

00:17:30.300 cops entered actually using a no knock warrant and shot and killed him and shot his pregnant

00:17:36.920 girlfriend. They had received an anonymous tip that Duncan owned guns despite a juvenile criminal

00:17:42.840 history that prohibited him from owning guns until legally owning guns until he turned 30. They came in

00:17:50.560 the front door, announced themselves as the police and went toward his bedroom. Police say that he didn't

00:17:55.540 comply with orders, that he had a rifle at least somewhere close by and that he started moving

00:18:00.060 toward the other room where other police officers were. And an officer shot and killed him and wounded

00:18:05.880 his pregnant girlfriend who was also sleeping in bed with him. And so far, we have not even seen the

00:18:11.960 body cam footage. No officers have been charged in this case. And I'm not saying whether or not they

00:18:17.460 should be. And I'm not defending Duncan Limp at all. I'm just saying this is a very similar situation

00:18:24.280 to Breonna Taylor. And yet, even though some media did report on it, that's how I heard about it,

00:18:29.740 like the Washington Post. Hardly anyone knows his name. There are no protests. There are no riots.

00:18:35.600 There is no arson. And yet in Louisville, at least two officers have been shot in the riots. The city

00:18:41.460 is burning down to the ground after the court announced its verdict. The media are saying this is

00:18:46.740 yet another instance of the justice system disproportionately mistreating black people. And this narrative

00:18:51.940 causes the riots and loss of more life and ruin lives. Remember, as we've talked about so many

00:18:57.800 times, and I will link this source as well, for every instance of a black unarmed person being shot

00:19:03.420 and killed by the police, there is at least one coordinating story of a white unarmed person being

00:19:09.620 shot and killed by the police. In most cases, these are people who are resisting arrest in some way,

00:19:16.120 but not always. Not with Daniel Shaver, not with Justine Damon. We have talked about this so

00:19:21.920 much. The reality is that there is no evidence of systemic racism in the police force. There is

00:19:29.720 no evidence that there is systemic racial bias in the use of fatal force in the police. Now,

00:19:37.780 are there instances in which I believe both white and black people have been unjustly killed by the

00:19:43.020 police? 100%. I've talked about those instances on this show. Justine Damon, a white woman who came out

00:19:50.240 of her home after calling the police about what she thought was a sexual assault in her alley. She

00:19:56.220 walked out of her front door in pink pajamas. A police officer shot and killed her. He only got 12

00:20:02.400 years in prison. He was not charged with murder. So let's not act like this is only happening to one

00:20:08.880 race. But the outrage is disproportional. The outrage is lopsided, not based on evidence,

00:20:15.300 but because it is popular, because it stirs up your emotions, because it causes the chaos that the

00:20:21.880 powers that be on the left want. They want the anarchy that comes with a race war. That is what 0.91

00:20:27.460 they desire. And that is what they are stoking. You can call for police reforms. I've called for

00:20:33.200 police reforms. I think we should get rid of police unions. I think we should get rid of all public

00:20:37.520 unions for that matter. As Votie Bauckham said on this podcast, we can better train our police officers

00:20:42.660 and tactics that allow them to disarm and disable a suspect without actually killing them. But that's

00:20:50.020 not always possible. And by the way, the vast majority, over 99 percent of police interactions

00:20:55.980 in this country every year in totally peacefully. And remember, looting and arson are not legitimate

00:21:03.960 forms. They're not forms of justice at all. They're not legitimate forms of protest, but they're not forms

00:21:08.660 of justice. God does not think so. God invented the idea of private property. And people get really

00:21:14.700 mad when I say that. But two commandments prove this to be true. Do not steal and do not covet.

00:21:19.840 So not only are you not allowed to take your neighbor's stuff because it does not belong to you,

00:21:24.400 you're not even allowed to want your neighbor's stuff. And 10 commandments, because they're the moral

00:21:29.780 law that God gave Israel, are still binding on Christians today, even though the cleansing laws 0.99

00:21:36.400 of the Old Testament are not because Jesus became our cleansing and our sanctification once and for

00:21:41.920 all. We are still bound to God's general ideas of justice. We are still bound to the morality that

00:21:47.760 he reiterates throughout scripture. So God takes private property seriously. People love to say,

00:21:55.700 well, Jesus overturned the temple, the temple tables. And so that means he would be out there writing

00:22:01.400 and spray painting and looting and all of that. We've talked about this once on the podcast,

00:22:06.360 but just to reiterate, no, that is not a defense of writing and looting. That was his temple. That

00:22:14.940 was his house. It was the money lenders who had turned his temple into something that it wasn't

00:22:19.980 supposed to be, who had desecrated it, who had defaced it with their theft. Jesus turning over the

00:22:25.460 tables because of the money lenders is actually a biblical defense of a private property. Matthew

00:22:32.100 21, 12 through 13. And Jesus, and Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who sold and bought in

00:22:39.100 the temple. And he overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold

00:22:43.580 pigeons. He said to them, it is written, my house shall be called a house of prayer, but you make it a den

00:22:51.800 of Robert's. That was his house. That was his property. Plus Jesus is God. He owns everything.

00:22:57.840 But in particular, that temple was Jesus's temple. So no, this is not Jesus destroying other people's

00:23:04.700 property. And by the way, Jesus has God's definition of justice, which again is truthful, direct,

00:23:10.840 proportionate, and impartial. And what I think a lot of writers and a lot of angry people on social

00:23:17.260 media want is not impartial justice. They want partial justice. They want race-based justice. They

00:23:24.500 want justice that is according to social media outrage. They want justice, and I use scare quotes,

00:23:30.800 that is according to social media pressure. Guys, we are done for as a society. If verdicts are decided

00:23:39.760 based on what people are posting on social media, based on social media outrage, based on threats of

00:23:45.980 rioting and looting and violence, based on pressure from the mob, like we are done for. That's not

00:23:54.040 justice. That's not justice. That a society cannot be built on that. You and I, people of every skin

00:24:01.180 color are done for. If courts are deciding the verdict of cases based on fear of the either proverbial mob,

00:24:12.720 the metaphorical mob or the real mob out in the streets. You have to look at the truth. You have

00:24:18.620 to be impartial. You have to look at the evidence and the facts of the case. And maybe you still

00:24:22.560 disagree with this verdict, but are you honestly disagreeing with the process? Do you think it would

00:24:28.640 have been better if they had just caved to the mob and done what the mob wanted? And I'm also seeing a

00:24:34.320 lot of people saying, okay, this is why we need to vote. Like I'm voting for Joe Biden because of

00:24:39.060 Breonna Taylor. This is why I'm voting blue for Breonna Taylor. Guys, the mayor of Louisville is

00:24:46.200 a Democrat. The governor of Kentucky is a Democrat. This is true, by the way, in Kenosha and Wisconsin,

00:24:54.660 Kenosha in Wisconsin. This is true of Minneapolis. This is true in all of the recent cases of alleged

00:25:03.540 police brutality, sometimes alleged, sometimes real police brutality, that Democrats are running

00:25:09.340 these cities where not just these cases are arising, but also the riots are happening. And

00:25:15.860 simultaneously, they're taking funding away from the police while violent crime is on the rise.

00:25:20.620 All of those cities, all of those locales are run by Democrats. You're not seeing this kind of chaos

00:25:25.720 in Republican run cities. So who are you going to vote for? So if a Democrat mayor and a Democrat

00:25:33.960 governor and a left-wing city council aren't doing it for you, what's a Democratic president going to

00:25:40.480 do for you? I mean, really, the president, first of all, doesn't have a whole lot of jurisdiction.

00:25:46.040 They can offer to send in help. And President Trump has done that multiple times in Portland,

00:25:51.120 Seattle, now Louisville, and Kenosha. But the local leaders have to agree in most cases to that.

00:25:58.820 They have to coordinate with the president. And a lot of Democratic leaders simply don't want to do

00:26:02.780 that because they are so anti-Trump that they're actually willing to let their cities and states

00:26:08.200 burn to the ground if it means that they don't have to work with Donald Trump and admit that, hey,

00:26:12.020 maybe they need help from the Trump administration. But really, my question is,

00:26:15.960 who are you going to vote for? You're saying to vote for Democrats because of Breonna Taylor,

00:26:20.260 Louisville, Kentucky, run by Democrats. Now, the AG, the Attorney General, Daniel Cameron,

00:26:26.900 is a Republican. But like I said, well, he's, first of all, he is the first Black person to be an

00:26:33.880 Attorney General in Kentucky ever. And he is the first Republican since 1948. So you've had a lot of

00:26:42.160 white Democrats in that position for decades and decades. And he is the first Black person to hold 0.97

00:26:47.900 that role. First Republican since 1948. He was voted for. He was voted into office fair and square.

00:26:55.020 And so, sure, you can try to vote him out. Can you point to what he did wrong in this case?

00:27:00.000 Can you point to where he mishandled it? If there's corruption there, if there's bribery here,

00:27:04.740 if there's a lack of justice here, tell me. And we can talk about it on this show because I hate that.

00:27:10.480 I hate duplicity. I hate bribery. I hate things like that that are going on behind the scenes and

00:27:15.600 that kind of corruption and manipulation and deceit. And so, if that happened, then show me and

00:27:21.000 he absolutely should be voted out. But man, some of you guys are racist. You are racist and hateful 0.97

00:27:29.020 toward him just because they landed on a conclusion based on the facts and the evidence that you don't

00:27:34.800 like. Again, go look at some of the comments on Daniel Cameron's Instagram and you will see that

00:27:40.420 all these people that are vying for racial justice, they really, really hate Black people that do not 0.93

00:27:45.840 agree with them. A commentator on MSNBC said that Daniel Cameron is kinfolk, but not skinfolk, but not 0.88

00:27:55.260 kinfolk. So, not part of the Black family, but simply shares the Black skin. So, the definition of 0.58

00:28:01.440 Blackness, according to these left-wing activists, is that you have to agree with them. Like, is that 0.80

00:28:07.020 not the definition of bigotry? Is that not the definition of small-mindedness? Do all Black people 1.00

00:28:11.920 have to think the same way? All White people don't have to think the same way? Why do Black people, 1.00

00:28:16.720 just according to the left, not the right, just according to the left, have to be a monolith?

00:28:21.200 Like, that's how you get someone like Joe Biden getting away with saying, if you don't vote for me,

00:28:26.800 you ain't Black. I guess they believe that there's a collective consciousness among Black people,

00:28:33.800 that Black people, for some reason, it seems the left believes, aren't individuals like people of

00:28:38.600 other races. It's very racist. It's very demeaning and patronizing. Daniel Cameron gave a wonderful 0.98

00:28:46.340 speech at the RNC where he called that out and he said, Joe Biden, you know, basically told him that

00:28:52.260 he's not Black, but he has his own mind. He's made his own decisions. Yeah, Black people can be Democrat

00:28:57.560 and liberal. Black people can be Republican and conservative. They can be moderates because they're 1.00

00:29:02.300 individuals. But again, in the world of critical race theory and the world of Marxism, which is what

00:29:07.020 this is, splitting the world between oppressed and oppressors based not on actual experiences in

00:29:12.900 reality, but simply based on your race and your gender and other kinds of identity. You view people

00:29:22.500 as collections. You view people as groups. You view people not as individuals with individual thoughts

00:29:28.600 and experiences and opinions and interpretations, but you view them according to their group identity.

00:29:36.480 That kind of thinking never lends itself to justice because you're not looking at things objectively.

00:29:41.840 You're looking at things subjectively through the lens of critical race theory, which has no power,

00:29:47.800 no ability. It's against its nature to bring about truth and justice because it calls oppressors,

00:29:55.900 people who have a certain skin color, whether or not they have actually been oppressors. It calls 1.00

00:29:59.580 oppressed people of a certain skin color, whether or not they've actually been oppressed.

00:30:03.740 And that is not innocent until proven guilty. Like you're assigning innocence and guilt to people

00:30:08.800 based on their skin color. Again, that is not God's definition of justice. Thank God for that. 1.00

00:30:14.000 Thank God for that, that we have an impartial judge that is not going to judge people when we stand

00:30:18.220 before the throne of God, according to our skin color or whether or not critical race theorists

00:30:22.720 categorized us as oppressed versus oppressors because of our skin color. I think the Lord,

00:30:27.760 that God's justice is truthful, impartial, and direct and proportionate.

00:30:32.620 Joe Biden had a statement. He responded like this on Twitter. We must continue to speak Breonna Taylor's

00:30:40.940 name. Now let me pause right there. You guys need to go listen to the Just Thinking podcast. They did

00:30:46.440 an episode called The Church of BLM that talks about what you hear about, say his name, repeat their name,

00:30:54.820 how there is actually a spiritual aspect. The leaders of BLM have admitted to these, uh, to the repetition

00:31:03.460 of the names of the dead. Okay. That is not just something that they do as a hashtag. There's something

00:31:10.540 very spiritual about it. That's not something that I made up. That's not something that Just Thinking

00:31:14.160 guys made up. That is something that the leaders of BLM have said themselves. Go back and you need to

00:31:20.300 listen to their podcast, The Church of BLM and realize it is a spiritual religious movement. And

00:31:25.540 when they say, say their name, it is more of an incantation than it is just a social media hashtag.

00:31:32.420 Joe Biden, I am sure does not even know that. Nevertheless, he says, we must continue to speak

00:31:37.280 Breonna Taylor's name, support her family still in grieving, which by the way, I agree with whether or

00:31:42.880 not, whatever you think about this case, her family still lost a daughter. Her, her friends still lost a

00:31:49.320 friend, lost a sister. And so we should absolutely care about her family. We should absolutely pray for her

00:31:56.520 family. She's still an image bearer. I believe that she shouldn't have died, whether or not you believe

00:32:01.660 that the police officer's actions were justified. I wish that she were still alive. I'm always for the

00:32:07.160 preservation of life. That doesn't mean necessarily that I think the officers should be tried with murder when

00:32:12.400 the facts aren't there though. But yes, we should be praying for her family. Her family did, by the way, get a

00:32:17.440 $12 million settlement from the city. And okay, he goes on to say, and never give up on ensuring the

00:32:25.340 full promise of America for every American. He goes on to say in his full statement, we know what is

00:32:30.500 necessary. We need to start by addressing the use of excessive force, banning chokeholds and overhauling

00:32:36.840 no-knock warrants. Well, Jill, none of those things have to do with this case. There was no excessive

00:32:43.380 force that was found, unfortunately misdirected force, but there were no chokeholds. There wasn't a no-knock

00:32:52.760 warrant. And so those reforms would not have stopped Breonna Taylor from being killed. And by the way,

00:33:01.680 as Voddie Bauckham talked about on this podcast, chokeholds can save lives. Proper chokeholds are

00:33:07.020 what help officers disarm and disable a suspect without having to shoot them, without having to use

00:33:14.060 fatal force. So proper chokeholds, well-trained chokeholds, if those are banned, well, then you are

00:33:22.960 possibly, unfortunately, going to get the use of guns. What else are they supposed to do? I think a lot

00:33:29.580 of activists just believe that cops should let armed suspects go, that it doesn't really matter

00:33:35.840 if they pose a threat to the people around them or to the police officers themselves, that they should

00:33:40.400 just allow the suspects to run free. But again, that's not justice and that is not wise. Joe Biden's

00:33:52.160 statement puts the blame on the police force in general when, again, there is not evidence,

00:33:59.580 evidence of a systemic problem towards a particular race in the police force in 2020.

00:34:05.840 Has there been? Yes. But today, is there evidence of a systemic problem? Now, I think one racist cop

00:34:13.080 is one too many. I think they should be fired 1,000%. I don't think we should be protecting bad cops.

00:34:19.540 I don't think we should always be on the side of the police officer just because we want to back the

00:34:23.480 blue. I want to back the truth. I want to back justice. And so when a police officer is wrong,

00:34:28.300 we need to be able to say that they are wrong. I'm not saying that we need to always be on the

00:34:32.120 side of the police. But we also can't castigate wholesale the police force because of a case that

00:34:39.040 we do not agree with. So I'm not saying that there are no racist cops or that there are no problems in

00:34:44.940 the police force. I don't want a corrupt police force. I don't want a bad police force. I don't

00:34:49.700 want a police force that uses excessive force. And so I agree with that. But we have to make sure that

00:34:54.340 the problems that we are pointing out are real and that the solutions that we are giving are actually

00:35:01.860 effective. So Joe's statement advances the narrative that all cops are to blame, that the justice system

00:35:07.700 failed, that this is a pattern against black people. And it just feeds the anger, even though

00:35:12.920 he says and Kamala says, you know, violence and looting aren't the answer. But falling back on the

00:35:18.900 narrative that this was about race and that this was about a bad police force, when in fact, the police

00:35:26.500 in this case were doing their jobs based on a lot of investigation and evidence, that just stokes the

00:35:33.880 flames of resentment and division, unfortunately. And it leads to two cops, two cops who did not do

00:35:42.200 anything wrong, getting shot in Louisville. And God does not care any less about the lives of those

00:35:48.880 two police officers than he does Breonna Taylor's life. Thankfully, those two police officers are alive.

00:35:54.220 Like I said, I wish Breonna Taylor was alive. But God doesn't show the same partiality that the outrage

00:35:59.560 mob shows. And we all in some ways show partiality. God is impartial. He is not partial. And so our outrage,

00:36:07.440 our anger, our definitions of justice should align with his. God is not dictated by what the mob thinks

00:36:16.440 is just. And thank goodness for that. Like, aren't we so glad that we are not ruled by mob justice and

00:36:23.580 that God is just, that he is truthful, that he is impartial, and that he has satisfied his very just

00:36:30.420 wrath on Jesus Christ on the behalf of believers. I'm just so thankful for that. So again, I think 1.00

00:36:37.420 that even though Kamala Harris and Joe Biden have said, you know, violence is not the answer,

00:36:41.400 which look, I think it's good. I think it's good that they said that. I liked that Kamala Harris

00:36:45.240 came out and said, we're holding the two police officers that were shot in our hearts. Now that's

00:36:50.100 too little too late. I do. I think it's political posturing. Yes, but all politicians do political

00:36:54.140 posturing. Trump does political posturing. So we can't say, oh, that's political posturing when

00:36:59.240 Democrats do it. And I don't believe it. But we do believe it when Trump does it. Either we don't

00:37:03.780 believe it in either case, or we believe it in both cases. And I would say all politicians do

00:37:10.900 political posturing. I do think it was political posturing, you know, by Kamala Harris to say,

00:37:16.260 oh, we're holding the cops in our hearts when, you know, she's talked about, quote, reimagining public

00:37:21.160 safety. And Joe Biden has talked about redirecting funds away from the police. And they continually cast

00:37:26.140 the blame on the police force and systemic racism, feeding the flames, again, of this anger and this

00:37:31.480 violence. But I thought the statement that she made about the police officers and not wanting

00:37:37.320 violence was good. I think we need more like that. Now, again, why are these rioters burning things

00:37:47.780 down and looting? What was the outcome that they wanted? Because I think they would have rioted anyway.

00:37:55.660 I've said this before, and I've talked about why I think this. I think all of these riots are not

00:38:02.400 just well funded. They're well organized. They're preplanned. There was no chance. They know this.

00:38:09.500 They've known this, that there was no chance of this officer being charged with murder.

00:38:14.060 So I just I believe that they were lying in wait for all of this. They were lying in wait to destroy

00:38:19.500 and to burn their definition of, quote, justice is just the worst possible punishment,

00:38:26.800 no matter what the facts of the case are. They knew that wasn't going to happen. And so they were

00:38:31.000 waiting around. There was actually a video of Antifa taking tools out of a U-Haul who are that

00:38:38.300 already had the signs and stuff with Breonna Taylor's name as soon as the speech ended ready 0.91

00:38:44.220 to steal, kill and destroy. That's not justice. These are people who want to do evil. I'm not 0.95

00:38:50.380 saying that there aren't people who are genuinely upset. There aren't peaceful protesters because they

00:38:54.740 are and they should not be conflated. But the people who are organized behind these riots and behind

00:39:00.300 the looting who are orchestrating this stuff and funding this stuff, they are evil people who are

00:39:05.860 using racial flashpoints to cause chaos and anarchy in order to gain power. That's what all of this is 0.95

00:39:13.180 about. This is not really about racism. This is not really about racial justice. This is about

00:39:19.040 trying to paint the picture that America is very bad and needs to be burned to the ground and rebuilt

00:39:23.360 into a socialist utopia, which we know is actually a dystopia. All of these people constantly threatening

00:39:28.540 to burn everything down, who are harassing diners outside in D.C., who are stopping civilian vehicles,

00:39:35.300 telling them to raise their fist and do a certain chant. People who are terrorizing cities.

00:39:40.580 They are led by the Democrats in the Democratic Party who are saying things like they are going to

00:39:47.920 burn the system to the ground if Trump gets his SCOTUS pick. And so you have these people who are

00:39:53.420 threatening to literally destroy everything, literally and figuratively destroy everything if

00:39:58.240 they do not give their way and they want you to vote for them to have more power. Some of these

00:40:02.980 people, I'm not talking about all Democrats, not talking about all the people on the left,

00:40:06.080 but the powers that be and the activists left for sure are waiting around to do evil, to shed blood

00:40:13.420 and to cause destruction and chaos. Proverbs 1 is very clear about who these kinds of people are 0.91

00:40:19.380 according to their actions. Proverbs 1, 11 through 16,

00:40:22.840 My son, if sinners entice you, do not consent. If they say, come with us, let us lie and wait for blood.

00:40:28.620 Let us ambush the innocent without reason. Like Sheol, let us swallow them alive and whole. 1.00

00:40:34.420 Like those who go down to the pit, we shall find all precious goods. We shall fill our houses with

00:40:39.560 plunder. Throw in your lot among us. We will all have one purse. My son, do not walk in the way with 0.96

00:40:46.280 them. Hold back your foot from their paths for their feet run to evil and they make haste to shed

00:40:53.960 blood. And this is abominable to God. God hates this. This is injustice. This is sin. And this is

00:41:02.300 a great description of the people who are behind all of this chaos and destruction. And the Lord is

00:41:07.420 telling us to run from it. That is not justice, revenge, retribution, destruction, looting, rioting

00:41:14.220 is not justice. Also, once again, like I said, the city is run by Democrats. So if you're talking

00:41:23.780 about burning things to the ground and voting for the people that you want to have power, I'm just

00:41:29.480 curious who you are going to vote for. Crime is up in these cities. Riots are happening in these cities.

00:41:37.320 These cases are arising in these cities. And you've got Democrats in places like Dallas, in Minneapolis,

00:41:48.120 in Seattle, Portland, all saying that they are redirecting some funding, at least New York,

00:41:53.620 some funding away from the police. Who does that help?

00:41:57.300 Does that is that going to cause fewer police shootings when you have officers that are worse

00:42:03.540 trained, that are making less money, unable to attract good, virtuous police officers because your

00:42:10.040 police department is in shambles? As I talked about with Yako Buyans, when you cut funds away from the

00:42:16.760 police, what you are cutting, cutting funds away from are typically these special teams that, for example,

00:42:22.460 target sex traffickers. And it is impossible to stop sex trafficking without local law enforcement.

00:42:29.520 So when you are cutting funds, you're not actually making it less likely that people

00:42:33.040 are going to get shot and killed by the police. What you're doing is you're making it more likely to

00:42:38.200 have more victims of violent crime. And you're making it more likely for things like trafficking to

00:42:43.220 happen because there is no one trained in these departments to actually stop it. And so defunding the

00:42:49.080 police directing funding away from the police, as Joe Biden has agreed we need, actually helps no one.

00:42:54.820 And it hurts a lot of people. Listen to this. I thought this was a crazy headline by Jason Rance

00:43:00.600 at MyNorthwest.com. The city of Seattle gave $150,000 contract to Andre Taylor, a former pimp,

00:43:08.280 to offer expertise on de-escalation and alternatives to policing. Meanwhile,

00:43:11.880 the council just defunded the police and now up to 100 cops have been fired. It's crazy. It's crazy,

00:43:19.400 crazy. I got a lot. I got a lot more to say. I want to say one thing real fast. And then we'll

00:43:25.980 be done with this episode. I don't even have time to get all into all the other stuff I wanted to say.

00:43:31.620 Well, first of all, just make sure you know the truth. Don't perpetuate false narratives.

00:43:35.620 Make sure that you dig into this yourself. Make sure that your definition

00:43:38.660 of justice is God's definition of justice. I just want to ask you guys to pray for my fellow

00:43:44.460 Blase TV host, Lauren Chen and her family. Her dad has been diagnosed with liver cancer.

00:43:49.120 They live up in Canada. He has been going through tests since last winter. And because of the Canadian 1.00

00:43:56.680 healthcare system, it's a socialized healthcare system. It's so bogged down. It's so terrible

00:44:00.880 that people for these kinds of circumstances and these kinds of sicknesses,

00:44:06.160 their testing and their procedures are continually put off. They're deferred forever sometimes,

00:44:14.940 unknowingly. They don't know actually when he is going to be able to get the procedure and get the

00:44:20.060 surgery that he needs and get the care that his cancer necessitates. And so they're looking for ways

00:44:28.060 to get treatment and help here. And I think that she has successfully been able to do that. And I don't

00:44:32.640 mean to make this political, but because this is a matter of life and death, it's so important to

00:44:37.120 point out that thousands of people around the world every year have to do what Lauren Chen's family

00:44:42.300 is doing because socialized healthcare is exactly the same everywhere as it is in Canada. It is bogged

00:44:49.080 down. You're unable to efficiently and effectively get the life-saving care that you need in so many

00:44:54.860 cases. And so people come here. Here is where people come to get quickly the life-saving care that

00:45:00.800 they need. There is nowhere else in the world that does healthcare, life-saving care for things like

00:45:05.680 cancer and life-threatening illnesses and procedures. There is nowhere else that people

00:45:12.720 can go except for America. And the only reason America has the innovation and the care and the

00:45:17.920 quickness that we need and that everyone needs around the world is because we do not have socialized

00:45:23.080 care. If we have socialized medicine like Canada, there's nowhere for people to go. People are just

00:45:27.840 waiting endlessly to get their cancer taken care of because socialized healthcare system is so bogged

00:45:33.460 down and so inefficient. There is no incentive for innovation or for quickness whatsoever.

00:45:38.180 And so you have people in destitute situations and thank the Lord, they do have the opportunity to

00:45:42.360 come to the United States, but pray for her family, pray for her dad, that God would heal him,

00:45:48.700 that they would be able to get the care that they need, that God would give them comfort and give them

00:45:52.800 peace. If you can send her any encouragement or let her know that you are praying for them, I know that

00:45:58.120 would mean a lot to them, but realize that policy matters, that it affects people's lives and that

00:46:04.100 it's important that we realize the truth of our system here. Our healthcare system is not perfect,

00:46:08.280 but it is a beacon of hope for people everywhere around the world every year. So I just wanted to

00:46:14.240 finish with that. Again, so much more to say, but I just don't have time. We will be back here on Monday.

00:46:20.080 We will be back here on Monday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - September 25, 2020

Ep 305 ｜ Breonna Taylor： Truth in Love

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