Ep 326 ｜ From Woke to Awake ｜ Guest： Dave Rubin
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In this episode of Relatable, my friend Dave Rubin joins me to talk about his new book, "Don t burn yourself for thinking for yourself in an age of unreason" and the impact of Donald Trump's election victory.
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Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Friday. Today I am talking to my friend Dave Rubin.
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He's been on the podcast before. He is one of the best people to talk to, the easiest
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people to talk to. He has a lot of insight when it comes to conservatism versus leftism
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since he was on the left and moved to the right. He's got some interesting projections about
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the election and what's going to happen and the effect of, positive effect of Trumpism
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on America. So I'm really excited for you to listen to this conversation. Before we get
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Okay. Without further ado, here is Dave Rubin. Dave, thanks so much for joining me.
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Allie, it's good to be with you. Sitting with another human being.
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I know. I think we're distanced enough though. I mean, I did do the measuring tape and I think
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it just makes the cut. So hopefully it's okay. Yes. We don't want to infect each other.
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We don't. But I'm not sick. And I think some people have lost the science behind COVID because
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you actually have to be sick to infect someone. I think some people think like taking your mask
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off makes you have COVID and it makes you spread it to other people.
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Let me get this straight. If two people who aren't sick are in contact with each other or just
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close to each other, they can't infect each other?
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Science. Science. I know. I didn't go to school for it.
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And I don't have a degree in it. I'm not, I don't have a white coat or anything like that,
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And so that actually works. Well, thank you so much for being here.
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You've been on my show before. I've been on your show. And so I think everyone knows who you are,
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but can you tell us just quickly about your show and about your book?
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Yeah. Well, my show is The Rubin Report, which is just an old school interview show.
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And I kind of started doing long form interviews before it was cool. Like sort of when nobody was
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doing it. Now it feels like every, everybody and their brother has a podcast. I read a stat yesterday
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that actually more people have podcasts than listen to podcasts.
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That was a joke. That was a joke, Stucky. That was a joke. You see what I did there?
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Oh my gosh. I was like, how is that possible? But at the same time,
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I know a lot of people who have podcasts that no one listens to. So I was like,
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maybe it's true. There's some mathematical theory in there that could work, but everyone's sort of
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got a podcast now and, and, you know, some are good, some aren't. It is what it is. But,
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but really what I was doing about six years ago when I decided to do the long form interview,
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it was just, it was when Vine was starting and Snapchat and all of these things and everything
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was getting smaller and smaller and smaller. And I was just like, this is making me feel dumb. I don't
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like this. Like I'm, maybe I'm too old for it. I don't know. And I just thought I want to sit down
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with people and talk about stuff and see what happens. And that's what I started doing. I
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started the interview version of the show in September of 2015. So it's a little over five
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years ago. And, you know, I've had the pleasure and honor of sitting down with great thinkers and
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philosophers and politicians and all sorts of stuff. And, and I guess my, what sort of really put me on
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the map was that, you know, I was a big lefty and I was a Bernie supporter and all that. And I went
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from woke to awake. So here we are. Yeah. And that's kind of what your book is about, right? Yeah.
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Okay. So tell us a little bit about that and what inspired you to write it. So in essence,
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don't burn this book. The idea is, well, it's what the subtitle is, which is thinking for yourself
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in an age of unreason. I just want people to think for themselves. I mean, I lay out in the book,
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all of my political positions. But I don't need you, literally you, I don't need you to
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agree with me on all of those positions. I know that we disagree on some of those positions and
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actually that's fine. And it's not just fine. It's what America is supposed to be.
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Yeah. You know what I mean? Like we can hold positions very close to our heart that are very
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important to us. But if you truly want to live in a country that America is supposed to be a
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pluralistic society of now 350 million people from every walk on earth and from every culture and
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ethnicity and all those things, well, then you have to accept that some people are going to think
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differently than you. And, and you're going to have to create a space where they can live
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differently than you. And that really is the point of the book. And the funny thing is that
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what I think I lay out in there is a lot of common sense stuff. Like there's nothing in that book
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that I don't think a sane person would say is radical or extremist. And yet the pushback against
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me constantly is that I'm some crazy right-wing radical. And it's like, well, I am defending free
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speech and I am defending open inquiry and, you know, the constitution, things that liberals used
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to before. And now liberals have sort of just gone off the deep end.
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And have been for forever. I always tell people, you're not the crazy one. Like you're not the
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radical one for defending the things that people have defended for millennia. And in this country
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for centuries, things like free speech, the left has moved to the left. And a lot of people say that,
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you know, I didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me. Do you feel like that?
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Or do you feel like you really kind of made an evolution in your philosophy and your worldview?
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I think it's two things. So, so the, the Reagan line, I didn't leave the democratic party,
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the democratic party left me. So like, that is true. Like these people, what is the democratic
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party now? Well, first off, it's hard to define what that is. Cause is the democratic party,
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Joe Biden, like whatever that is, like an old Democrat who kind of doesn't know what he
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believes anymore and has cognitive problems. And they sort of handed him the election. And is that
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the Clinton Obama machine? Like, is that the democratic party or is it what I, what I actually
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think it is? It's the progressive sort of lunacy that the AOCs and the Bernies and the giant
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government answers for everything and identity politics, all the reverse ideas of what true
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liberalism are and what America was founded on. So in one sense, the party left me because it moved
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so far left. Although I, I've been trying to say that the left, right thing doesn't really make sense
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anymore in a way they moved to collectivism and they moved to, to big government, I think is like
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the easiest way to explain it. But that's not the full story because the, because I did also move
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on some things. So like I've definitely moved right on economics for sure. Cause you were a Bernie's
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supporter. So you supported some forms of collectivism. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I think
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that's why people care about what I do is that I've just been honest along the road. Like you can
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watch videos where I'm waking up to this stuff and I'm talking about it and I'm talking about it
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honestly. And I, I really thought, and maybe this was just like naivete or something, but I thought
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that as I was saying what's going on in my life and what my thoughts are, I thought the lefties were
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going to be like, Oh yeah. Like maybe we should have some self-reflection. Maybe this identity politics
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stuff is the reverse of liberalism. And a lot of them did join me on that adventure. Right. So a lot of the
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bulk of my audience, I think is sort of what I would say are like retired or, or resigned lefties
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who are now in effect, new conservatives, something like that. Um, but I, I definitely shifted to the
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right on economics. Like I've started two businesses in the last couple of years. I know that if you
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lower taxes, I can do more with my businesses and I can pay my people more and I pay for all their
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health insurance and benefits. And I love doing that, but I don't do it. It's not just out of the
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goodness of my heart. It's also that when I treat my guys well, they work harder for me and then we
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can build something bigger. Um, the idea that the government just needs more and more of your stuff
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so that it can do things that you may or may not agree with is crazy, but that's what the left's
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answer is for everything. They will constantly tell you, you know, this is an evil patriarchal society
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and capitalism is evil and the system is evil and everyone's corrupt. And what's the answer? We
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better make it bigger. We better give it more money. So I would say that's the one place that I
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really shifted pretty much everything else that I believe I think is, is pretty close to, to where
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it was before. And when you were on the left, I'm sure you got pushed back from people on the right.
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Yeah. And now that you're considered on the right, you get pushed back from people on the left.
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Which do you think was the harsher, uh, criticism? Oh, Stucky, I think, I think, you know,
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the answer to this one. I do, but I want to hear it from you. Yeah, yeah. Well, look, when I was on
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the left, let's say, one of the things that the left does, as you know, is you can just dismiss all
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of the people who argue with you because they're bigots and racist and homophobes. So it's like,
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oh, a bigot doesn't like me, a Nazi doesn't like me. If anything, it makes you feel even loftier
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and more confident in what you think. Yeah. I've got the right enemies, basically. Yeah. I mean,
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you're fighting Nazis all day. Yeah. You're pretty spectacular. Yeah. You know what I mean? You're like
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Captain America. This is amazing. You're punching Nazis. You're Indiana Jones. Yeah. Every single
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day. Um, when, when I shifted, the hatred that I get from the lefties is incredible. It's bananas,
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but, but it goes to the heart of what is wrong with leftism. They have decided in effect, if you
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don't agree with us on all of these things, like not nine out of 10, you got to go 10 out of 10 and
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not only 10 out of 10, you got to do it the second we do it. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's like,
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if we shift on one position, you got about a 10 minute window to join us. Otherwise you're the bad
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guy too. And yet what's interesting on the right is on the right, there's all sorts of people who
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think all sorts of different things. And they're also not obsessed with politics. And that's one of
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the things that I really like about, like I would describe myself at this point as sort of like a new
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conservative, something like that. You know, I think there's, there's probably a couple buckets
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of what conservatives can be. And I have no problem. If someone says, Dave, you're a conservative
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at this point, like if anything, I like it. Cause it's like, I can't really say I'm a liberal
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anymore, even though it may be technically true by the 1750 definition of classical liberalism,
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but like, you know, people understand the term now. And right. And I, and I tried for years,
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you know, I was always telling Steven Crowder, Crowder, you got to stop saying the liberals.
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You got to talk about the lefties and Dennis Prager and a whole bunch of other people we know
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have, have been fighting this too. Right. But at some point, like the rubber kind of meets
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the road and, and, and here we are. Um, but I would say people on the right, because their
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worldview generally isn't shaped just around politics. So like, I think you do a really nice
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job of this in that you talk about faith, you talk about things that are outside of the political
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world. So you're not hysterical by every political decision because you know that your salvation
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doesn't come from politics. My salvation doesn't come from politics. My, my, my meaning and purpose
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doesn't come from politics in a weird way. Politics are secondary and tertiary. So if you
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disagree on those things, then, you know, it's okay because it's not central to your worldview.
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Of course. And by the way, I have no doubt that we have other philosophical differences in terms of
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our worldview, but that's okay. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's okay. And that's what that it is
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literally what being human is about. Right. That's the purpose of being a human with a brain to think
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things through and come to conclusions yourself and all of those things. So I think people on the
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right actually really revel in that idea. And it's not to say people on the right, can't try to
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destroy people. And there are never Trumpers and Lincoln project versus the Trump people. And people
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are angry at Romney. And that's, that's all sort of like little political positioning kind of stuff.
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But generally speaking, I think people on the right, like people on the right, like having the
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debate about abortion, people on the right, like having a debate about taxes and government and
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states' rights. People on the left say, hey, you're with me or against me.
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It's not debatable is what we hear. You hear about abortion, for example, which obviously is
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something that is, is very important to me. It's not just a political issue. It's a moral and
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theological issue. And as undebatable as I think, you know, sanctity of life is inside the womb,
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I still want to engage and debate someone on it. Because quite frankly, I think that the pro-life
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position is very strong. I'll debate anyone on it. But what you often hear from the pro-choice
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and pro-abortion side is that bodily autonomy is undebatable. We don't, we don't want to debate
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you. When people had tried to say, you know, a couple of years ago, please AOC, debate me,
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debate me, people saying that and come on my show and all this stuff. It's not just that she was
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afraid to do that. But I think leftism sees that as immoral. Because like you said, when you see the
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opposition as a Nazi, are you really going to debate a Nazi about fascism? Of course you're not. You're
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going to punch him. Well, not only should you not debate the Nazi, but if you were to be seen with
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the Nazi, debating the Nazi, having a conversation with the Nazi, whatever it might be, well, then
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you're a Nazi too. So that's what they've done. And by the way, this is not a new idea. This is what
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communism and socialism and Marxism create. It creates finding enemies everywhere, which is why
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just in the last week, you know, Biden is supposedly the president-elect. We can get into that if you want.
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But what was like the first thing that came out after it? It was suddenly the lists.
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You know, Pete Buttigieg's campaign manager, I think, created this Trump Accountability Act.
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Yeah. So then they've got lists of people who are co-conspirators and all of these things. And it's
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like, this is the most anti... And by the way, AOC also talked about lists. It's like, this is the
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most anti-American thing. And the weird thing is...
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Yeah, that's going to work out for everybody. The bizarre truth is that these people are
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everything that they purport Trump to be that he is not. Trump doesn't have lists. Trump isn't
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trying to destroy anybody. Trump, every time he tweets, you can get a thousand blue check lefties
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telling him he's going to burn in hell and that they want him to go to jail and all of these things.
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You think it's going to be the other way? You think it's going to be the other way? I don't think so.
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Well, I mean, we've seen that. I mean, we believed, as conservatives, we believed that Barack Obama,
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we believed just as strongly that Barack Obama was destructive, divisive, bad for America policy-wise
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as leftists believe Trump to be. Now, most of us weren't as hysterical and hyperbolic about it,
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but we believe just as strongly in the destructiveness of the policies that Obama
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pushed forward as leftists do about Trump and Trumpian policies. And yet you didn't see this
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kind of reaction after Obama was in office. We didn't say, OK, we need a list for all of these
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scandals. We need a list for people who supported the slowest economic recovery in history. Like,
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we need a list of people who supported identity politics. It was no, like, let's engage with these
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ideas. Let's let the best idea win. But like you said, leftism is against that. It's
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always been against that. And it is fueled off of resentment, which is why it causes violence,
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which is why it causes economic and social decay. Always in the name of compassion and
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reconciliation, though. Well, you know, one of the things that I said the day after the 2016 election,
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my studio at my house that you've been to wasn't even built yet. So I had to do a little
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thing off my webcam. And what I said was, if you guys, now that Trump is president, whether you like
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it or not, you better stop calling him Hitler, because it's not what you're doing to him. It's
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what you're doing to yourself. So you call him Hitler. OK, he obviously isn't Hitler. But putting
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that aside, it's what you're doing to yourself, because what if you find out that over the course
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of the next four years, which I think is what we did find out, that he's actually a pretty decent
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president. He governed in many ways as sort of a centrist conservative, except that he got things
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done as a conservative, which usually conservatives aren't that good at. Right. He did a lot of stuff
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with the courts. He got rid of regulation until covid. The economy was really chugging along.
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Well, what if you find out that he doesn't murder people and put people in camps and do all the
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horrific things that you've concocted in your brain? It's what you've done to yourself because
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you've painted yourself into a corner. You can't suddenly be like, you know, it's a couple of
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years later. And that Hitler guy I've been screaming about, he's not that Hitler or he's not that bad
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because then you look like an idiot. And that's why they always double down. Yeah. That's why the
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same people who got everything wrong four years ago and then for the last four years have gotten
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everything wrong. It's why they're still getting it all wrong now, because they created an imaginary
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orange Hitler who doesn't even exist. And they know that that's the thing they're against no matter
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what. And that basically overrides whatever logic is left in there.
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But at the same time, we've been hearing calls for unity, not just from Joe Biden himself, Kamala
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Harris and a lot of Democrats. Michelle Obama pulled what I call a classic Obama saying, let's
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come together with the people who voted for hate. So on the one hand, you're trying to say, oh,
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we're so loving and kind. We're conciliatory. And everyone who didn't vote the way that I want
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them to, they are hateful bigots. It's the same thing Obama did for eight years. What are we
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supposed to do with that? Well, look, winning, I suppose, winning, at least in the temporary way
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that they've won for now, let's say, is a strange drug. Because let's just say the results were
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exactly the reverse. Just whatever numbers we're all buying right now, let's just say it was
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completely the reverse. They would be saying burn down the country. They would literally, I mean,
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why were all of these stores and they have been doing it? It's not that they just say it. You got to
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give them credit for, you know, actually doing some of the stuff that they say, you know, there's
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something, there's at least an honesty to that. But, but really, what would they be saying right
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now? They would be saying Hitler, the far right has won. The system is evil. All of the things
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that I discussed, capitalism is evil. You know, this is it. This is the civil war is here. That's
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what they would be saying. But now that they believe that they've won, and I'm not so sure
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that they've won, but now that they believe that they've won, now let's reach out. But what
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they don't, what they don't mean is they don't mean let's reach out and, and treat you as
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equals and welcoming. What they mean is behave, behave. We're back in power. We've got lists,
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submit, shut up. Don't say anything. You're a bunch of bigots. And I think if Trump, regardless
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of what happens here, if Trump has done one incredible thing, he showed people how to fight
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back. That's it. That's it. That doesn't make him the greatest person in the history of the world.
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And it doesn't make him whatever, but it does. He showed people, he modeled, we needed it to be
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modeled. You can fight back against the media. You can fight back against big tech.
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You can fight back against the establishment. My ability to do this and talk about these things
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with a degree of confidence. It's not that I was watching Trump like, oh my God, how does he do it?
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But it's like, oh, you can do it and survive. So, so now I do it. And by me doing it, I know that
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affects other people. And hopefully that affects other people. And it's, it's a very Jordan
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Peterson style thing. You have no idea how much power you have if you just start saying what you
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believe. And I think Trump, that will be his greatest legacy no matter what happens now.
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Yeah. Let's talk about Trump. You did not, I'm guessing, vote for him in 2016.
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I didn't. I voted for Gary Johnson and I should be judged accordingly.
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Yes. I, you know, a lot of people have revealed to me their deep, dark secret that they voted for
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Yeah. They're all regretting that guy. People are realizing that he's just as much of a crazy,
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radical leftist in some ways, making his own list as actual liberals are. But you voted for him in
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And I'm guessing we kind of have already articulated the reasons why you decided to do that. Let's talk
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about what you think about the so-called results of the election and what you think is going to
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happen. Well, first off, I would be okay if I voted for someone and they lost legitimately.
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I just want to be very clear about that. I know that's a very controversial statement
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these days, but I would accept the results. And as I said before, by the way, I wouldn't be
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screaming in the streets because I don't think politics is everything. If anything, if Biden,
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let's, before we get into what I think is going to happen here, if it comes out that Biden will win
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this thing, like really legitimately won this thing, well, then I know I have work to do.
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You know what I mean? Like, I mean that like in terms of my show and the ideas that I'm
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putting forth and all of that, like I will, I kind of like being in the opposition. I think I would,
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it would actually change me a little bit in a way.
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And we always kind of feel like we are in the opposition, by the way. We always feel like the
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underdogs, even if we've got our guy in the, in the white house, cause we kind of are.
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Well, because right. Because even if there is a second Trump administration term, uh, you'd still be
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against big Hollywood. You'd still be against big tech and all of those things. So, so I'm kind of
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comfortable with that. And, and again, I don't have to win to accept that America is a good place,
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which is the reverse of what these guys do. Um, that being said, it is look the night of the
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election. It was looking really good for Trump. And we saw all of these States that are now very
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close that have been called for Biden. Suddenly they all stopped. Suddenly they all stopped.
00:20:41.960
We all know that that's a fact. They all stopped their votes. Since when do we do that? Since when do
00:20:45.980
you not continue counting all at the same time?
00:20:48.960
Now, what they would say is what I've heard people push back and say is, look, some of these
00:20:53.980
States, like in Pennsylvania, for example, the GOP led legislature, uh, refused to pass a law to say
00:21:00.500
that you could count mail-in votes before election day. And so some of these States had, uh, rules that
00:21:06.860
you had to count the election day votes and then count the mail-in votes. So that's what they would
00:21:11.600
say caused the spike in Michigan and Wisconsin, for example, those mail-in votes that came in that we
00:21:17.780
knew would skew Biden. So what do you say to that?
00:21:20.040
Right. So we knew the mail-in would skew Biden because of COVID and that they were really pushing
00:21:23.700
it and all that. But as Bill Barr, the attorney general said in September, there's a great
00:21:29.180
We just played it on my show yesterday where he in effect is saying, we have never tried mail-in
00:21:34.080
ballots to this extent. We know they are rife with fraud. He actually gave a couple examples of it.
00:21:39.300
So I'm not saying that I'm, I'm actually not saying that anything illegal happened yet. I'm really not.
00:21:44.320
What I'm saying is there's a reason to think about it. And what, what is making me
00:21:49.780
more confident that something happened. And by the way, the beauty and weakness of America is
00:21:56.160
sort of being illustrated right now, because the beauty of America is all the States decide how
00:21:59.840
they want to do things. That's a beautiful thing. Right. And I know you're all for that too.
00:22:03.280
On the other hand, with all of these crazy rules that are inconsistent, it makes people kind of
00:22:08.720
bananas. So for example, in Pennsylvania, they did the attorney general, who of course is a lefty
00:22:13.540
decided that you don't even have to have your ballots postmarked by election day. Yeah.
00:22:18.740
That seems like kind of shady, right? Like it doesn't matter which side is going to,
00:22:22.460
but like, so that's an inconsistency in a rule that's different than Arizona and everything else.
00:22:26.500
And the fact that he didn't really place, he didn't allow us to place a lot of faith in him
00:22:30.760
when he said two days before election day on Twitter, Hey, when all the votes are counted,
00:22:36.600
He literally said that. I mean, people need to find the tweet.
00:22:39.300
Yeah. Yeah. You should maybe put the tweet up in this very show because that's what the attorney
00:22:43.360
general of Pennsylvania said before the election. Trump is going to lose. By the way, the attorney
00:22:49.460
general of Arizona, now they're coming out with all of her tweets. And years ago, she was calling
00:22:53.580
all Trump supporters, neo-Nazis and the rest of it. So the point is, the point is I don't believe
00:22:57.660
in perfect systems. I believe in human infallibility. I believe that there can be mistakes and,
00:23:02.640
and not only mistakes, but intentional, you know, moves to skew things. So with all of this,
00:23:09.020
it's not evidence yet, but things are starting to pop up. Now that we're hearing all this stuff
00:23:14.280
about the Dominion electronic voting systems and all this stuff. The point is, let's explore this
00:23:19.220
stuff. This is why we have a judicial branch. And at the end, I promise you, Ali, and I know you would
00:23:25.020
too. At the end, you know, if it's January 15th and they're like, we, we looked through everything.
00:23:29.960
We couldn't find anything. These 11,000 sworn affidavits, they all turned out to be nonsense
00:23:33.860
and everything else. Well, then Biden will be president. And guess what? Life, life will go
00:23:37.360
on. Maybe not in a capitalist free society, but, but it will go on. Yeah. And I also think I talked
00:23:42.500
to Jenna Ellis and she's a, you know, she's a Trump lawyer. And we talked about how the point of the
00:23:48.080
litigation is not to change the outcome of the election. It is to, it's to see if the fraud is
00:23:54.320
legitimate, not necessarily if it's decisive. It may be decisive and legitimate,
00:23:59.740
or it could be legitimate and not decisive. Absolutely. And so there could be a certain
00:24:03.900
number of votes that need to be thrown out because they were illegally cast. I mean,
00:24:07.200
we've already seen evidence of dead people voting, of people who didn't actually live in the state
00:24:12.280
anymore, getting an absentee vote and getting to vote. I've seen examples of that. That alone,
00:24:18.420
even if there's one vote like that, is enough to take it to court, in my opinion, whether or not this
00:24:23.280
was Biden or Trump doing it. Well, but that's, see, what's interesting about that is look at the way the
00:24:27.520
media is framing it right now. The headline of the New York Times yesterday, you know, there's
00:24:31.180
something to the effect of there's no fraud. The election has no fraud or what they keep saying is
00:24:35.740
there's no widespread fraud. Well, I guess that also depends on how you define widespread, right?
00:24:40.700
Like, what does that really mean? There's no technical definition of that related to American
00:24:45.120
elections and states' rights and all of those things. So they use all of this Orwellian language.
00:24:49.160
So you're like, oh, well, I guess there is no widespread fraud. And then you look at what's going on in
00:24:53.860
Michigan. And you're like, but wait a minute, all these dead people are voting. Like, there are weird
00:24:57.340
things. But the fact that the media is going all in on, there's nothing to see here. You know, there's
00:25:03.400
an exploding firework factory behind us, but there's nothing to see here. Please move on. There's nothing
00:25:07.320
to see here. They literally did that in Kenosha. These are mostly peaceful protests, huge fires behind us.
00:25:13.220
Yeah. So because they're doing that, I think it's actually adding fuel to the fire of the people on the
00:25:20.360
right who are going, no, no, no, no, no. Let me get this straight. The people who lie to us about
00:25:23.940
everything. The New York Times and CNN, they've all been unmasked over these last couple of years.
00:25:28.280
They lied to us everything. But this time they're telling us the truth. They're telling us the truth
00:25:32.820
about the fact that Hitler is not going to be reelected. Like, this is the one they're actually
00:25:37.020
being honest. It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. And they do this with everything.
00:25:41.400
They repeat the same talking points, all of the outlets and the, you know, the hosts on these
00:25:46.200
various shows, they all basically say the same thing, at least on the left. And there's just no
00:25:51.560
journalistic curiosity at all. I think if they said, look, we investigated all these claims
00:25:56.540
because we care about the integrity of the election too. You know, we couldn't find anything,
00:26:01.700
but look, we support the litigation because we supported the Russian investigation, which by the
00:26:07.740
way, so did I, in the sense that I always said, if there was Russian collusion by the Trump campaign,
00:26:13.560
I want to know that. Of course. And so I feel the same way now. It might not determine the outcome
00:26:18.860
or change the outcome, but I want to know. Ali, I have a good friend who I can't name his name
00:26:24.080
because he's an actual friend of mine, but he's a public person, you know, a blue check, Twitter
00:26:27.240
person, big Trump derangement stuff, whatever. Okay. He's very popular, right? He called me in the
00:26:33.560
middle of the Russiagate stuff. And he was very angry because he was saying that I wasn't saying
00:26:39.620
enough about Russiagate and that it's obviously true and all of this stuff. And I said, well,
00:26:43.040
what, what is true? And he said, this is now two years ago. He said, well, Donald Trump Jr.
00:26:48.380
had lunch with a Russian on the Upper East Side. Do you remember that for like a day there?
00:26:53.120
Trump Jr. had lunch. Honestly, I had a hard time keeping up with all of it.
00:26:56.100
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there was like a three day span where everybody, you see, it's proof.
00:27:00.020
Trump Jr. had a 15 minute lunch with a Russian. It turned out to be absolutely nothing.
00:27:05.480
But right now that very same person is telling me that now the results of the election,
00:27:09.240
there's no reason to look into anything that it, yeah. So the very people who, you know,
00:27:13.960
and we see this, and this is why they've all been unmasked, that it's like, wait a minute,
00:27:18.520
you ran on something that we know not only was fraudulent, but then led to a sham impeachment,
00:27:23.980
right? Right before Corona, by the way, right before COVID. So it's like, if you, if you're
00:27:27.600
angry that Trump was, I was off the ball, maybe, I don't think that's necessarily a valid argument,
00:27:32.460
but that's what they'll say. He wants to pay. Well, it's because you guys were dragging him in
00:27:35.800
for a, for a sham impeachment. But the point is all of these people who said the Russians have
00:27:41.240
taken over our elections and are manipulating us through Twitter and Facebook and Trump is somehow
00:27:47.200
involved in all of that. Now there's literally nothing we can look at right now. Yeah. That's,
00:27:52.720
that's bananas. Like that's actually bananas. From the day that he was elected, Hillary Clinton said
00:27:58.260
that it was illegitimate. She wrote a whole book called What Happened? And it didn't have anything
00:28:03.380
to do with the fact that she didn't go to Michigan and Wisconsin. It didn't have anything to do with
00:28:07.580
her, you know, unlikability or whatever it was, her failure as a candidate. It had to do somewhat
00:28:13.160
with conspiracy theories of how Trump got away with it, with Russia, white supremacy, internalized
00:28:20.020
misogyny with women had nothing to do with, you know, the, the effectiveness of her as a candidate.
00:28:26.820
That's what they did for four years. It was illegitimate. It was either illegitimate or because of
00:28:31.860
racism. But now when we're saying, Hey, we're not going to burn things down. We're not freaking
00:28:36.560
out. We're not really worried. Even we just want to know the integrity of our elections. You're a
00:28:42.640
conspiracy theorist and you're dangerous. And we're going to put you on a list. It's crazy.
00:28:46.600
They want to make us all feel like Alex Jones. That's really what they're trying to do. That if
00:28:51.140
you even look into this, forget the list, you're also bananas. You're, you're insane in effect.
00:28:56.240
Like you're a crazy person with a tinfoil hat. Yeah. The, what I would say the, the real silver
00:29:01.260
lining at the moment, like if anyone's watching this going, I just still feel weird about the
00:29:05.880
whole thing, you know, or let's say potentially I voted for Trump, but like, I just, I'm worried
00:29:11.120
about what's going to happen. Trump has beat the media and the political establishment and the
00:29:16.360
machine at every single turn. Yeah. The amount of videos that you've seen on MSNBC, the walls are
00:29:21.780
closing in. The end days are here. Everyone's turning on him, which they're doing right now.
00:29:25.760
The Trump Melania is telling him to back out. It's all just made up theater nonsense. The
00:29:30.800
silver lining I think is that because he has beat them systematically or systemically, depending
00:29:36.780
on which way you like it. The fact that he has done that at every turn about impeachment,
00:29:40.460
about Russia, about Ukraine, all of these things, right? I don't think he came this far to
00:29:47.240
know that at the end you're at the final boss of the video game, that he didn't have a secret
00:29:52.460
weapon. I, I think he probably knows things. Um, and even in the last half hour, right before
00:29:57.660
we started this, he went on this Twitter thread about the Dominion software and that it was reversing
00:30:02.720
votes. So it's like, okay, well now the, the rubber's about to meet the road, man. You can't
00:30:06.760
just say this stuff in all caps if it ain't true. So if you, if you know, it's true and that's
00:30:11.060
why you tweeted it, well, then we're going to start needing to see some receipts. And I suspect
00:30:15.280
they're there. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. And he's just like literally going crazy right
00:30:20.660
now and tweeting in all caps. So you think it's a possibility that he could still be president?
00:30:25.340
Oh, absolutely. You do? Yeah. I mean, I mean, why not? Like if, if, if they're going to uncover
00:30:31.120
these things and each day, like these weird things keep leaking out and it gets to the courts and the
00:30:36.500
courts actually do their job. Well then it's, it's what we're saying. I mean, in essence, the courts
00:30:41.420
will either say, okay, this is all nonsense or it's not. And if it's not, and it's come out to a
00:30:46.780
degree that is widespread or at least enough to flip some of these states. Well then I can't imagine
00:30:54.120
the meltdown though. I mean, we saw, so I don't know if you heard about this, but COVID actually
00:31:00.780
took a break. So COVID said, you know what you guys, I'm going to go celebrate too. You guys go
00:31:07.520
celebrate in the street. I'm not going to infect any of you. And so what we saw was masses of
00:31:11.800
people. I saw this girl, she had her mask on. She took down her mask. Yeah. Drink the champagne,
00:31:18.220
pass the bottle to someone else, pulled up her mask. Perfect depiction of liberal logic on COVID.
00:31:23.700
And you saw a bunch of people in the media saying, you know, like Chris Hayes, we need this. We,
00:31:29.500
you know what, wear your mask, but we need this. We need these mosh pits. This is just, you know,
00:31:34.680
the dawn of hope and opportunity for America. We're out of that dark, dark part of our history.
00:31:41.460
Because COVID could only spread depending on your political ideology. That's really what
00:31:45.500
they've been telling us. We've learned that it is, that it is very woke. So what do you think
00:31:49.240
the media, and now it seems to be back to COVID concern. Right. So we had two days. So on Saturday
00:31:55.400
morning was when they called, you know, the AP called the election. Again, it's not called in terms
00:32:00.440
of the electoral college. The constant, you know, nothing has been ratified here, but in effect,
00:32:03.960
that's when the AP did it. And now the other news outlets have done it. So we had, we had about 48
00:32:08.540
hours of celebrations. We're drinking champagne. We're spitting in each other's mouths. I mean,
00:32:12.980
it was just absolutely bananas. But then what I think what they thought in effect was that,
00:32:19.220
oh, Trump's just going to lie down. Like it's, it's here and that's it. But what happened by Monday
00:32:24.280
was Trump decided to fight back. Now you may not like that. You may think it's illegitimate.
00:32:29.380
You may think he's a nutbag. And some of that may be true at some level, but because he fought
00:32:34.940
back, as I said before, he modeled to people how to fight back. So there was a real feeling amongst
00:32:40.340
like, you know, our chattering class of like, oh, maybe it is over over the weekend. It doesn't
00:32:45.680
feel like that. Now people are suddenly like, no, I am going to fight this to the end. But again,
00:32:51.020
if he loses, then we'll accept it. But like people are standing up and we owe him credit for that.
00:32:59.000
As, as, as individuals, as Americans, we owe him credit for that. Just because the system tells
00:33:05.100
you something, it doesn't mean it's true. And it's like, look, what's happening with COVID right
00:33:08.380
now. Now they're making it sound like it's worse than ever before. Right? Like, and now we've got
00:33:12.020
to start national federal lockdowns. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't it odd that not one hospital has been overrun
00:33:17.500
in the United States? And yet we're hearing that that is what's happening right now. There were a couple
00:33:21.660
stories like that, um, uh, right before the election. And, you know, I really try not to
00:33:28.200
be a conspiracy theorist. I was talking to a friend about this last night, that it's so easy to start
00:33:33.600
jumping to conclusions that you're not, you don't know are true because we don't have a media that
00:33:38.940
does tell us the truth and everything is so political and everything is used as a bludgeon
00:33:44.060
against Trump that you can't even trust them when they said that the hospitals are going to be
00:33:47.480
overwhelmed because they weren't. So why would we believe this now? So you're constantly trying to
00:33:51.800
be like, okay, does this connect to this? And what's really behind this? You almost have to.
00:33:55.880
Allie, do you remember two weeks to flatten the curve? That was eight months ago, eight months ago.
00:34:00.560
And now they're telling us, no, we just need six more weeks of a federal lockdown. It's nonsense.
00:34:06.580
And I think what happened, I mean, again, this is where the conspiracy stuff, it's like,
00:34:10.480
well, now Trump started to gain momentum this week. So then what did they decide? COVID is,
00:34:14.920
you know, because three days ago, we've got a vaccine from Pfizer, 90%. Biden's going to be
00:34:19.840
president. Everyone will be happy. The market is up. Everything is looking good. Yeah.
00:34:24.080
Can I ask you something? Do you consider yourself a journalist? No. Yeah. Me neither. And yet look
00:34:28.180
what we're doing here. Yeah. And I'm constantly left sort of perplexed by that. I am not a journalist.
00:34:33.460
I am not a fact finder on the ground. Yeah. I tell people what I think. I read stories and I try to
00:34:38.640
hand it to people in like a decent, honest way. Yet I think even having this conversation
00:34:44.540
is more journalism. Yeah. At least the definition of journalism that I think people think is
00:34:51.220
journalism. It is more than what journalists are giving us. And that's a really sad state
00:34:56.600
of affairs, but that's where we're at. Yeah. Just because there's at least some kind of
00:35:01.540
curiosity. And all we're saying, again, is that we just want truth. I get people asking me all the
00:35:06.480
time, like, where do you get your information? And the fact of the matter is, is that a lot of times
00:35:11.000
there's not one outlet that I can just read a story from and say, OK, I've got all the details
00:35:15.320
on this. I've got to read the blades. I've got to read the Daily Wire and National Review. And then
00:35:19.780
I not. And they say that, OK, we're on the conservative side. But you've got to read those
00:35:25.080
as a supplement to reading the New York Times and the Washington Post, because it's while they are
00:35:33.140
claiming objectivity, they're just as biased as any right wing or left wing blog.
00:35:38.540
The New York Times literally ran a front page Sunday cover story about how YouTubers,
00:35:44.740
including me with a big picture, were leading people to the alt-right. Everything that I have
00:35:49.580
done on my show publicly and everything that I believe personally has been completely against
00:35:54.040
identity politics. You're the marijuana of the alt-right. You're the gateway drug.
00:35:58.500
I like when people say I'm the gateway drug to waking up to conservatism. I'm OK with that,
00:36:03.180
but not I'm the gateway drug, not I'm the joint that'll lead you to the alt-right,
00:36:07.160
which obviously isn't true. And if I was to play identity politics for myself,
00:36:11.100
there's a million reasons that that wouldn't be true, right?
00:36:13.720
But putting that aside, that was a front page cover story that YouTubers, including me and Ben
00:36:18.320
Shapiro and Jordan Peterson and Phil DeFranco and also famous libertarian economist Milton Friedman
00:36:25.280
Now, in the very article itself, at the end of the article, they track this kid watching
00:36:31.340
YouTube. So they sort of frame it like he's a centrist. Then he starts getting into the
00:36:35.420
right. But then guess what? You're not going to believe this, Ali. He's saved by lefty
00:36:39.920
And he becomes a good lefty at the end. That's how the article ends. So the very premise of
00:36:43.840
the article, that in effect YouTube leads people to the right, was debunked by the article.
00:36:49.320
Anyway, I mentioned this not to make it about me, but the point is that I know what the New
00:36:55.540
So if you, and then they also did the enforced monogamy hit piece on Jordan Peterson that
00:36:59.780
he was trying to get women to be in some sort of handmaid's tale situation, which was the
00:37:03.180
reverse. All he was saying was that enforced monogamy, meaning marriage, is a good thing
00:37:08.700
for societies. It's an organizing principle that allows us to move.
00:37:13.620
Of course it's true. Of course it's true that it allows us to move from generation to generation
00:37:17.800
with families and all of those things. But those things are very scary to lefties who
00:37:21.860
want this sort of endless secular craziness. The point is, just because something's on
00:37:28.800
the front page of the New York Times, it doesn't mean it's true. And if anything, it probably
00:37:35.900
But the search for truth is very difficult. And if people, and unfortunately I do think
00:37:51.680
it encourages people to latch on to actual conspiracy theories in some ways, but the media
00:37:57.340
has kind of created that monster. When you feel like you cannot trust the people that you
00:38:02.860
are hearing are the only reputable journalists, the people who are going to bring you truth
00:38:07.160
and reality. And all you're getting is blatant partisanship and a refusal to investigate anything
00:38:14.040
that might go against their narrative, especially when it's coming to things like COVID. When
00:38:18.160
they don't say anything about the mass protests and the riots and the marches and all of that,
00:38:23.620
but they're saying, you know, it's too dangerous for kids to go to school. They need to be in front
00:38:27.080
of a screen for eight hours a day. You know what? You probably can't sing at church,
00:38:30.240
but it's okay if you want to march on Washington for whatever cause. At that point, people not only
00:38:36.040
feel like there's a bias, but that there's an animus towards you. There's an animus towards
00:38:39.660
people who go to church, towards kids who need to be in school and, you know, go to work, whatever
00:38:44.340
it is. And that we're just being run and dictated by a bunch of elites that are totally disconnected
00:38:49.080
from our reality. That creates not just a distrust, but a resentment and a hatred between the two
00:38:55.940
Absolutely. And by the way, doesn't it sort of feel that right where we're at right
00:39:00.140
now with the election sort of hung up and the media going all in and the alternative media
00:39:05.660
trying to fight it? In a weird way, doesn't it feel like this is exactly where we were supposed
00:39:09.420
to be? Like that, that, that the process, the thing that we've all been fighting and talking
00:39:14.280
about and all of these things, like the thing that literally brought you and I together right
00:39:18.460
through this, like, I didn't know you four years ago, but the thing that we were sort of fighting.
00:39:22.200
And then it's like, one day I see this girl, Allie Stuckey, who I don't know who this is,
00:39:24.820
but she's making a lot of sense. And then next thing you know, you're on my show and we have
00:39:28.240
audiences that are awake to these ideas. That whole thing feels like it was all funneled
00:39:32.900
to right now where we are now in between election day and inauguration day and what the hell will
00:39:39.660
happen. And, and again, that feels sort of conspiratorial or whatever, but it just is this
00:39:48.880
game, what Trump was trying to do here. And it's very bizarre. How did this, this crazy haired
00:39:54.820
orange man become the one that was going to like fight this thing? How they'll have to study this
00:40:01.380
for years and years to come. Right. But here we are. And, and that's why I'm not, it's another
00:40:06.820
reason why I'm not crazy. Cause I, I don't feel crazy. I may be crazy, but I don't, but I don't
00:40:11.740
feel crazy. You know what I mean? Cause it's, it just feels like, Oh, well it was supposed to be 10
00:40:16.320
days after the election and we wouldn't know what would happen because look what else has happened
00:40:19.940
over the last, you know, four years, but especially the last year, you know, it's only nine months ago
00:40:25.640
that we used to go out of our houses and go to places like movie theaters. Remember you'd go and
00:40:29.040
there's a big screen and you could sit there and eat popcorn with people. Can't do that anymore.
00:40:32.820
But we're supposed to accept that that's normal. Yeah. And we're just supposed to ignore the fact
00:40:36.340
that there's a real life consequence to things like lockdowns too. And just say, well, actually only
00:40:41.680
death by the virus is the bad death, death by suicide and depression and loneliness. That's all.
00:40:46.400
Which are all spiking as you know. Yes. And death by cancer and all of those things. Cause people
00:40:51.380
aren't getting the proper treatment, but is there any, uh, even beyond the outcome of the election,
00:40:57.060
which you believe could switch? I don't, I don't know. I don't know. I just want, I don't know.
00:41:01.880
I just, I believe there is a chance. Right. And I think we both want the same thing though. We want
00:41:07.320
the integrity of our elections preserved. We think it's good that Trump is fighting this. I really do.
00:41:11.520
I was telling, um, someone the other day that it's kind of like, I felt after the election,
00:41:16.100
as soon as it happened and it looked like the next day, okay, Biden really might win this thing.
00:41:21.120
We don't really know what's, what's going to happen. I felt like it was a breakup with,
00:41:26.140
with Trump being our president. And I was like, at first I was like, okay, you know what? I'm fine.
00:41:30.260
No, I'm fine. No, I wanted, I wanted to be single too. No, it's good. I'm going to be better off
00:41:34.280
without him. And honestly, I didn't really like his tweets and it was annoying. And then as the days
00:41:38.260
went on, I was like, you know what? I'm really sad. And I'm kind of mad about how this happened.
00:41:43.080
And his tweets weren't really that bad. Actually, I'm going to kind of miss his tweets. I kind of
00:41:46.840
am glad that he was fighting for on the culture wars. And so it's kind of ended like that. At
00:41:51.540
first I was like, oh, you know, it's fine. And now like, no, I really do want to fight back.
00:41:55.140
And it's going to be hard not to have a fighter in the white house.
00:41:57.620
Yeah. That's really funny because, you know, I said to you before that I obviously voted for Trump,
00:42:01.560
but for the first month or two, when I started, I didn't, I had never said I was voting for Trump
00:42:05.520
until July 31st was the first time on, on Kyle Kashuv's podcast that I hinted it. Cause he asked
00:42:11.820
me directly and I, and I was going to be honest. And then I went off the grid for August as, you
00:42:15.400
know, I disappear for a month and I have no social media, no other thing. And then when I came back,
00:42:18.980
I was being more forthright about it. And then obviously in the last few weeks I went all in,
00:42:23.520
I was like, this is what I believe. And I'm fighting the same monster that he's fighting and he's an
00:42:27.900
imperfect character. But one of the things that I stopped doing in say the last two weeks before the
00:42:33.840
election was making the excuses as to why I was doing it, because we can all say the stuff about
00:42:39.460
Twitter and the rest of it, but it's what you just said. It's like in a weird way, he did the
00:42:43.640
thing that no one thought could happen. He beat the entire system, did it once, he might do it again.
00:42:49.320
And it's like, he's not perfect. So it's not that you can't criticize him. Of course you can,
00:42:55.060
you know what I mean? And when I see him in little fights with, with actors on Twitter, it's like,
00:42:59.120
dude, you gotta let that stuff go. You gotta, but at the same time, it's hard to criticize the guy
00:43:06.680
who did everything that no one said could happen. And I think, so I went in when I vote, when I
00:43:11.980
pressed that touchscreen and it was for Donald J. Trump and Michael R. Pence, like I was happy to
00:43:18.080
do it. It was the most validating or fulfilling that it's ever felt for me to vote for a president.
00:43:25.320
Yeah. And you know, whether, whether that ultimately works or not, or whether I'm put
00:43:30.200
on a list, I like, I'm on the list already. Right. I'm on AOC's list. So what am I going
00:43:34.080
to do? I know we're all kind of joking about that, but it is serious. It's like, okay, we're
00:43:39.460
on the list. Hopefully we're like in the same camp together. Well, that's the thing. It's
00:43:42.600
like, I like all the people on the list. So it's like, if I'm going to be on a list, like
00:43:46.100
we'll be at a camp together. You know, even it'll be terrible. We'll be happier. We would
00:43:50.120
still be happier. Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay. Beyond the outcome of the election, whether or not
00:43:55.260
it changes, do you have encouragement for people who just think, okay, America is going
00:43:58.760
to hell in a handbasket. You've got one side who's talking about protecting democratic norms
00:44:02.580
while tearing them down and who are putting us on lists. And it looks like we're going
00:44:06.960
into leftist totalitarianism, whether or not Trump wins, you've got corporate America,
00:44:11.340
you've got big tech that seemed to be so against conservatism morally and ideologically. Do
00:44:17.200
you see the potential for a, for tie, for the tide turning for people not putting up with
00:44:22.400
that totalitarianism and how do we push back against it when there's so much on the line
00:44:27.020
for some people? So it's a great question because I don't think that people like us
00:44:30.520
could do what we do if we did not think things could get better. How, how could you talk every
00:44:35.560
day for a living and tell people what you think and pay attention to the news if you were sort
00:44:39.440
of, this is what they call black pilled. If you just in effect thought that everything
00:44:42.480
was just going to get worse, no matter what, like you could, you know, red pilled, you
00:44:46.520
could see the truth. I didn't know that phrase. That's funny. Oh yeah. So, well,
00:44:49.180
red pilled is sort of like, you can see through the madness of course, and blue pilled is you
00:44:52.520
just accept it. And then black pilled is, oh, it's sort of like the, the depressing version
00:44:56.800
of red pilled. It's like you saw it, but then you also realize that we're just in this like
00:45:00.640
endless death spiral now. We lucked out on those colors, by the way. The right lucked out on the
00:45:05.340
colors that were assigned to that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. In that regard. Yeah. Um, so I would say I'm a
00:45:10.020
world weary optimist. I couldn't do this if I didn't think we could change things. I know we can change
00:45:15.340
things. I meet people all the time who say to me some sort of Dave, you were my gateway to this
00:45:20.300
stuff. And so I know that personally you can do things. Yeah. Um, I was also on tour with Jordan
00:45:25.880
Peterson for a year and I saw this mild mannered psychologist literally save the lives of thousands
00:45:32.920
of people and get them off drugs and repair families and all of these things. So a, I think
00:45:37.680
at the personal level, you can absolutely. You've seen people change. I've seen people change their
00:45:41.240
minds too. I get those messages all the time as I'm sure you do. Yeah. I hated you. I hated what
00:45:45.940
you said. I was ardently pro-choice. My friend made me keep listening to you. And now I've started
00:45:51.280
to listen to, you know, Dave Rubin, whoever, and I've changed my mind. So I always tell people that
00:45:55.220
to encourage them. People change. People change. And by the way, the people that'll be like, oh,
00:46:00.140
well you flip flop. You flip flop. Well, it's like, okay, should I believe all the stuff I believed
00:46:05.120
when I was 15? Would that be the way to do this? Should I believe all, I'm 44. Should I believe all
00:46:09.280
the stuff I believed when I was 30? And that I should have just figured it out at 30 and, you
00:46:13.480
know, and boom, that's it. You're done. And if you think anything else differently, you're a flip
00:46:17.440
flopper or you're a sellout or a grifter or, you know, some other nonsensical thing. Um, I think the
00:46:22.600
way we get out of this, I do see one societal way we get out of this, which is sort of why I, at this
00:46:28.240
point, really want Trump to, to beat this thing is that if he wins, meaning it's actually proven that
00:46:33.540
there was fraud. And at that point, then it's like, it's like, whoa, all of the nonsense, the media
00:46:40.800
will have gone so all in on, there was no fraud, but then we'll have the evidence of the fraud that
00:46:46.240
they are so deep in this. And then I think a lot of things will start getting uncovered that the way
00:46:50.820
they use COVID statistics to keep us in lockdowns. And, and I think a second term of Trump could cause
00:46:57.640
the, the crack that really needs to happen. In other words, Trump's first term was sort of like
00:47:02.600
an initial break through the ice or something. But I think a second term could actually break those
00:47:08.080
things. And then, you know, what could happen? We would get critical race theory officially out of
00:47:12.000
all the federal institutions. We would get title nine gone altogether. Biden just announced, I saw
00:47:17.540
it literally a minute before we sat down, he's going to bring title nine back. So we're going to
00:47:20.940
literally bring back having no due process, which is what title nine was about at the college level.
00:47:26.840
That's for a whole other show. Yeah. Which disproportionately affects guys, by the way,
00:47:30.780
but in the world of intersectionality, you know, men are more privileged. So it's okay.
00:47:35.760
Right, right, right. That guy, the accusation is enough just to destroy his life and kick him out
00:47:39.700
of school and everything else. But, but in effect, a second Trump term would be the destruction,
00:47:45.820
the abject destruction of all of this thing. Now, would it be perfect? No, because we still have big
00:47:50.460
tech issues and it's like, we could all be silenced tomorrow and there's all sorts of stuff. And
00:47:54.620
it's like, here we are at the blaze studios, which has built an incredible digital world.
00:47:59.980
But there are still pipes that are owned by other people. Like there's a million fights on the,
00:48:03.560
on the forefront. That's actually what I'm going to be writing about in my next book. Like there
00:48:06.460
are still fights to come, but the way, the way out, I don't see how we get out in the short term
00:48:13.080
without a Trump win. A Biden win, a Biden win is basically the old world trying to hold on one
00:48:19.140
more time, but it lost already. You know what I mean? Too many of us are awake. Trump got 10 million
00:48:25.420
more votes at least than he did last time. So this was not a repudiation of Trump. You know what I
00:48:31.180
mean? Right. So enough people have woke up. We have, we have huge fights to fight. Again, not,
00:48:38.040
not my whole life doesn't revolve around politics. So I think we'll be okay either way. And I think
00:48:42.400
that's the real answer that any of your audience that, you know, it's like you want to fight for the
00:48:47.020
things you believe in. So that society is, um, is congruent with what you believe, but like at the
00:48:53.120
same time, it's probably more important that you care about your family and your friends and all of
00:48:57.260
those things. And you fight back where you can right now, there's nothing a voter can necessarily do.
00:49:03.200
I mean, you might be able to call your Congress person or, uh, to, to make sure that, you know,
00:49:09.220
that, uh, they are also pushing for investigations and litigation and all of that, but you've done your
00:49:15.220
due diligence in voting and all you can do is kind of hope and pray when it comes to what's
00:49:21.360
happening federally. But in your own life, there are fights that you can do. And it's not necessarily
00:49:26.260
political fighting for your family, fighting, uh, for curriculum that's not based on the 1619 project
00:49:32.780
in critical race theory, but is based on historical truth, uh, fighting for your children when it comes
00:49:39.880
to things like, and I don't know if we agree on this or not, but the reaches of the equality act
00:49:45.640
and sharing and sharing spaces with girls and boys, there are fights that you can fight that affect
00:49:50.900
your family directly. That doesn't necessarily have to do with Donald Trump and what's happening in
00:49:56.480
Washington DC, but it's happening in your everyday life. There's a book that Roger wrote. It's called
00:50:01.260
live not by lies, resisting pre-totalitarian lies that always come before, uh, communism. And that's
00:50:09.020
what you can do in your own life. You can refuse to live by lies, the redefinition of words, the
00:50:13.960
redefinition of things like justice and right and wrong. That's what you can do to fight back. And as
00:50:18.680
long as you are doing that, then you are doing everything that you can do. And like you said,
00:50:23.800
refuse to make politics, every part of your life, love your neighbors, love your friends who disagree
00:50:28.660
with you, love your family, train your kids up in what is right. That's really the most powerful
00:50:33.860
thing that you can do. Raise a generation of critical thinkers. So there is, there is definitely
00:50:39.660
hope, um, whether or not the outcome of the election changes for the reasons that you listed.
00:50:44.320
I, I certainly hope, uh, hope that it does, but we'll see.
00:50:48.640
I suspect that we're going to be okay either way because either we will, either we'll be living in
00:50:53.520
a free capitalist, uh, representative society, or we'll be in the same gulag as we said, which will be
00:50:59.340
great. Oh, the left hates that we're joking about that. I've seen a lot of people say that online.
00:51:03.840
Why do they have this fantasy? It's not us who has the fantasy, right? You guys do. You talk about
00:51:09.940
re-education, whether you realize it or not. Okay. Where can everyone find you, follow you, all that
00:51:14.240
good stuff. My branding guy is good. It's RubenReport.com and YouTube.com slash RubenReport. And
00:51:19.620
you're on Twitter. I'm on Twitter. Nobody's perfect, you know? Yeah, I know. Instagram RubenReport and
00:51:25.760
all that good stuff. Yes. Yes. And you're on Fox News all the time too. If people are watching
00:51:30.820
that, you really are everywhere. You're a very, very busy person. I get up at 4 a.m. Pacific time
00:51:36.060
to do those morning hits. I'm literally in my underwear sometimes. This is little insider
00:51:40.780
television stuff. I'm in my underwear. I often haven't showered. I can just get my hair to be,
00:51:45.520
look okay enough for television. And then I go right back to sleep. So I literally wake up. They're
00:51:49.940
like, what do you think about this? I'm like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I go back to sleep.
00:51:52.460
Yeah. And you're like, I've been up for hours. I feel good. Yeah. That's great.
00:51:55.680
Well, thank you so much for taking the time to talk to me. I know that everyone's going to love
00:51:59.060
this conversation. And let's hope for the best.