Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 334 ｜ Presidential Election Aftermath & the Importance of Georgia ｜ Guest： Stu Burguiere

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Friday. Hope everyone has had a wonderful week. Today

00:00:14.180 I'm going to be talking to Stu Brageer of Blaze TV about the fraud allegations and where

00:00:20.600 we think this election is headed. If anywhere, we're going to be talking about Georgia and

00:00:26.340 some of the lawsuits that are going on there. Before we get into the conversation, I would

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00:01:15.560 further ado, here is Stu Bergeer. Stu, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me.

00:01:25.900 I appreciate it. So today we're going to talk about the allegations of fraud that have been going on in

00:01:30.320 the election. You've been following this closely. You've been talking a lot about it on Glenn's show,

00:01:34.940 on your own show. Can you give us the most up-to-date update that you have on the litigation,

00:01:42.920 on the hearings that involve the accusations of fraud in different states?

00:01:49.760 Yeah, sure. I mean, it's a very challenging proposition for the Trump campaign. And they've

00:01:55.100 been trying to go after, because it's not just one state, right? They need to overturn multiple

00:01:59.140 states to actually make a difference. I think we can look at all of this and say there definitely was

00:02:04.120 fraud at some level. I mean, there definitely were things that were weird. There were things that

00:02:08.640 were against the rules that were done. The question is- Like, what are some of those things?

00:02:12.560 You know, a lot of it had to do with observers. So in some ways, it can be encouraging to look at it

00:02:18.080 this way. And you see how many fail-safes there are in the election process. Like,

00:02:23.240 there's supposed to be Republicans and Democrats there to watch all these votes. So when there's

00:02:27.660 questionable ballots, someone can look at, you know, from each side and say, yes, we agree that

00:02:32.920 was a vote for Trump. Yes, we agree that was a vote for Trump. And it goes through the process in

00:02:36.140 that way. A lot of it had to do with the way Republican poll watchers were treated. Observers were

00:02:41.880 treated poorly. They were mocked at times. Everything from mocking to not being, you know,

00:02:46.500 they're able to watch the process, but they're watching it from 20 feet away, where they can't

00:02:52.820 see any of the details of the ballots. And often the excuse was, well, COVID. I mean, you know.

00:02:57.760 And where was that happening?

00:02:59.640 It happened in Pennsylvania. It was one of the, again, this is what was accused of.

00:03:03.780 Right. Michigan was, it was, there was talked about a lot in those states, that particular

00:03:07.680 question. You know, there was questions about ballots that would be cured or not. So the idea

00:03:15.420 is like, if you, let's say you, you cast a ballot, there's a problem with it. Can the government call

00:03:20.200 you up and say, hey, you, you, you checked three boxes for president. This ballot's not going to count.

00:03:24.560 Do you want to fix this? That is a process that's pretty rare, but does happen. What did not happen

00:03:30.040 in every county in Pennsylvania though? So some people, if you lived in one county, you were not

00:03:34.100 able to do that. If you lived in another county, you were. And the counties where they were allowing

00:03:39.580 the curing of the ballots seem to be democratic counties. Again, small number of votes, but

00:03:43.880 something that should be looked at. And I think that's why you kind of have to look at all of

00:03:47.980 these accusations in sort of two different buckets. One is, if you could look back to that press

00:03:54.300 conference from a couple of weeks ago, Rudy Giuliani was making a lot of claims of that nature,

00:03:58.180 right? Where there would be people who said, this doesn't look right, or this rule may have been

00:04:02.820 bent. But it was smaller numbers of ballots. Wouldn't necessarily overturn the election, but still

00:04:08.640 really important to look at. On the other side, you had kind of the Sidney Powell approach, which was

00:04:12.600 to accuse, make accusations of widespread systemic fraud, multiple millions of votes switching sides

00:04:19.400 from one to another. And you saw kind of less evidence to those claims, but those would be the

00:04:25.500 types of claims that could potentially overturn the result, or at least from where we understand

00:04:28.980 it right now. And does it seem like the Trump team and Sidney Powell, who's not technically part of

00:04:33.340 the Trump team, but is fighting this battle in a different way? Do they seem confident that not

00:04:39.640 only there was fraud, obviously, they're pretty confident in that, but that it is enough to be

00:04:43.720 decisive in this election? Yeah, that's that's the big question, right? And what's been interesting

00:04:48.400 about it is a lot a lot of the focus on social media and talk shows and stuff has been like,

00:04:52.980 are you supporting the president? Or are you? Are you staying on board and questioning these

00:04:56.480 results? Right. And I keep saying to people, look, we can't social media this election into

00:05:01.060 existence. We can't we can't talk show a second term for Donald Trump. We're not gonna be able

00:05:05.920 to do it in those on those fronts. This has to happen in the courts. And so we've talked to

00:05:10.680 all of the main attorneys in these cases, many other people who have been used as witnesses,

00:05:15.700 other people who have been involved in this process. And very consistently throughout,

00:05:20.960 they've communicated to us two things. One, that they have enough evidence to be able to

00:05:26.740 overturn the election results. And two, they understand the time constraints and will be

00:05:31.000 able to prove it in court. And to me, if you are looking for this to be overturned, that should give

00:05:36.840 you the ultimate amount of confidence. They are telling us 100% they're going to do it. And they're

00:05:41.480 going to do it with the restrictions they know exist. Now, we are now several weeks later. And this is

00:05:47.080 a difficult thing. It's asking a lot of these attorneys to be able to do this. And, you know,

00:05:52.920 one of the things I think you can be a little worried about if you're if you're looking for

00:05:56.420 that result is this if you believe the sort of Sidney Powell approach, where you're talking about

00:06:04.460 multiple millions of votes in a system that is so impossibly corrupt, especially in somewhere like

00:06:09.420 Georgia, right? Like that's where she's focusing. She's saying the Dominion voting systems

00:06:14.140 are basically corrupt or they didn't work. And she argues that they turned over millions of votes,

00:06:19.220 correct? Millions of votes over multiple states. If you have a system like that, it's hard to imagine

00:06:24.320 that system is going to allow you to overturn the results when you question it, right? I mean,

00:06:29.780 you're talking about a system that's so ingrained with corruption in that circumstance, that it would

00:06:35.120 be a really heavy lift for these attorneys to do that. They have expressed confidence. But obviously,

00:06:39.480 time is running out. I think it's December 9, where these kind of the electoral votes sort of kind of

00:06:43.800 get locked. And then on the 14th, they become official. So you're talking about a little bit

00:06:47.360 over, you know, what a week in that circumstance. You know, it's tough. The Dominion thing is is a

00:06:54.200 very it's it's in some ways unfalsifiable. You can't really you're never going to know for sure

00:07:01.400 it didn't happen. I know we talked to Barry Loudermilk. He's a congressman from Georgia,

00:07:05.900 and he's worked very hard over the past few years on election law and trying to make sure that these

00:07:12.240 things there is some some level of security. So the Dominion machines they have in Georgia

00:07:17.180 have a couple of functions to them. You go in, you press your button for your your candidate.

00:07:21.660 It spits out a paper ballot. You as the voter look at that paper ballot, and you are able to

00:07:26.720 confirm that it actually cast the vote the way that you believe it did. You then put it through

00:07:31.860 the system. And there's a hand there's a paper ballot record of all of this. So that's when they did

00:07:36.680 this paper ballot recount. And so there is a layer there that it that that hopefully, you know,

00:07:43.460 gets you some sort of certainty when they went through and cast collected those votes. They found

00:07:48.360 some votes for Donald Trump. I mean, it was eight or 900 or maybe 1000 votes. There's over a few

00:07:54.660 thousand that were not counted. Really glad they found them. It wasn't quite enough in a closed state

00:07:59.620 like Georgia to overturn the number. But at least they had that paper ballot record. In Pennsylvania,

00:08:05.700 there are some Dominion machines as well. But they were not in Philadelphia or Pittsburgh,

00:08:11.160 which were the two main areas. They were talking about this fraud occurring. And actually, Trump did

00:08:16.520 better than expected in Philadelphia. In this in the counties where Donald where they use Dominion

00:08:22.960 voting machines in Pennsylvania, Trump won 52% of the vote. So he actually won those counties. Yeah,

00:08:29.560 it's tough because, you know, there's a lot of layers to this. But it's like Republicans overall did

00:08:34.320 actually pretty well in the election. So there's there's those two sort of buckets where like

00:08:40.060 the Sidney Powell stuff and you've seen the Trump administration and the campaign distance themselves

00:08:44.280 from Powell and some of the claims that they're making because they're sort of widespread. And

00:08:48.420 some of them, I mean, some of them are provably not true. Some of them are just unfalsifiable.

00:08:52.940 So you never will know. Yeah. Where Giuliani has tried to focus more on these things where you have

00:08:58.040 actual witnesses and depositions. It's just a question. Is that going to be enough to turn over

00:09:01.960 anything? Yeah. Which I support the pursuit of of truth and election integrity, even if it's if it's

00:09:08.780 not decisive. But I have been surprised just at the amount of confidence that it seems like a lot of

00:09:14.760 people have that it will be decisive that what Sidney Powell is doing in Georgia, for example,

00:09:19.780 is going to change the results of the election, at least at least there and that this is going to

00:09:25.640 be proven a systemic widespread problem and that Donald Trump really will become the president.

00:09:30.860 I said a few weeks ago, my husband and I went to Georgia to visit family. I said, you know,

00:09:35.960 this seems different. I used to live in Georgia. My husband grew up in Georgia. Obviously,

00:09:40.360 it's been a pretty red state. But we drove from the northwest to the northeast. We were in Atlanta.

00:09:47.400 And I thought this feels blue. This looks blue. And rural places in Georgia where you don't expect

00:09:54.320 to see Biden signs, there were Biden Kamala signs. Where we were was a blue area. And we knew that.

00:09:59.900 And so that was expected. But it was even even more than typical. I mean, there were BLM signs. There

00:10:06.660 were, you know, defund the police movements there. And even in the rural areas around that, there were a

00:10:12.320 lot of Biden signs. And that was just a feeling. But I said that on election night that I wouldn't

00:10:16.900 be surprised if Georgia went blue. And I got all this hate on Twitter saying, you know, where did

00:10:24.220 you go? That's so crazy. And so when it looked like Georgia, you know, was going blue, I wasn't

00:10:30.540 surprised. Now, I'm not saying that my anecdote is definitive proof that there wasn't fraud in Georgia,

00:10:36.240 but I'm not so surprised that I'm going to say this has to be cheating in order for Georgia to go 0.99

00:10:42.600 blue. Because it seemed likely to me just for my own personal experience. Yeah. And look, I'm totally

00:10:47.300 with you that the fraud stuff needs to be looked into. You need to know, like, even if we find out

00:10:51.820 that millions of votes switched hands, we probably don't really have a country anymore. Like our election

00:10:56.040 system is so out of whack. And it's going to be difficult to maintain a republic in that scenario.

00:11:03.280 But I still want to know the truth, right? I want to know the truth either way. But I mean,

00:11:06.960 what actually wound up happening in the recorded vote is not all that far out of line as to what

00:11:14.500 we kind of expected to happen when looking at polling. You know, you point out Georgia,

00:11:18.880 and I remember you saying that on election night. And it's true. I mean, it's been like,

00:11:23.220 this has been a purple state for the last couple of elections. Kemp barely won. You know,

00:11:28.220 Stacey Abrams almost won that election. Yeah, she was kind of radical for a Democrat. She wasn't 1.00

00:11:33.120 like just a moderate Democrat. Yeah, that's true. And we've seen that. We've seen Georgia

00:11:37.980 moving in a big way. Yeah. And this has been predicted for a long time. Now, I think we

00:11:41.960 get resistant to those things because they say it about Texas, too. Right. And Texas was

00:11:45.680 a relatively comfortable margin, a bigger margin than Cruz over Beto. So a lot of these times,

00:11:51.400 these things, the media likes to hype that narrative. Right. It seems to be pretty real

00:11:55.640 in Georgia. You know, you look at Pennsylvania again, and I used to live in Pennsylvania in Bucks

00:12:01.300 County, which is a suburb of Philadelphia. And a lot of people talked about sort of the potential

00:12:05.660 fraud about Philadelphia, where actually Trump did better than he did in 2016 in Philadelphia.

00:12:10.860 But the entire margin of that election, as recorded today, is more than compensated for in the switch

00:12:17.800 in votes in these suburban counties. White suburban counties moved not intensely, but enough against

00:12:26.040 Trump in these counties to change the actual result. I mean, you know, I think 38 states have been

00:12:32.980 certified so far. And you look at that 38 states, and you see a really consistent pattern, about a three

00:12:39.480 and a half point move from 2016 to 2020, from Trump to, you know, Trump versus Clinton to Trump versus

00:12:48.340 Biden to go to the Democrats. That Trump actually did better in swing states than the average in

00:12:54.820 most cases. Georgia was an exception to that. But in Pennsylvania, in fact, his best state in the

00:13:00.220 entire union outside of Utah, which was kind of weird because of third party situation in 2016,

00:13:04.500 was Florida, which is, you know, one of the most important swing states. He did really well in

00:13:09.300 Florida and actually improved on his margins from 2016 there. So you look at it, you don't see anything

00:13:14.440 that at the end of the day would look that abnormal as to what was expected. Trump outperformed his

00:13:21.320 polls a little bit in most places. But at the end of the day, you're talking about an election that

00:13:26.300 was really freaking close. And Trump almost won as recorded vote. Again, we'll talk about that other

00:13:31.640 fraud stuff as we go. But it's like, he came really close in an impossible situation in the middle of

00:13:36.780 a pandemic in the middle of a, you know, a very, very visceral media against him for four years.

00:13:44.440 He was able to do really well and kept it very close. It's a very close election.

00:13:48.120 And he did really well among minority voters, which, of course, Democrats would have said,

00:13:52.520 well, we have those in the bag. And I actually watched Joe Biden's campaign. I felt like,

00:13:58.160 you know, if I if I weren't a conservative, I would have been the target of a lot of Joe Biden's

00:14:03.440 campaign because they were really working hard to reach out to that white suburban mom, 1.00

00:14:09.080 to reach out to the evangelical Christian and to say, this is the normal candidate,

00:14:13.420 the faith filled candidate, the candidate that is going to bring decency back into your life and

00:14:19.100 back into the White House, which I think appealed to people like me, if you're maybe politically

00:14:23.720 apathetic or in the middle, or even maybe if you're a little bit politically conservative,

00:14:27.420 but you're just tired of Trump being bombastic. And we actually saw Trump actually gained among

00:14:33.980 white women, but he lost among white men. He lost a few percentage points among evangelicals,

00:14:39.560 certainly among mainline Protestants, which are liberal in general. And so when you look at where

00:14:44.880 Trump lost and where Trump gained, you see a pretty clear parallel between that and the focus

00:14:53.480 of Joe Biden's campaign. Joe Biden won the demographics that they worked really hard to get,

00:14:58.200 which were white Christians. They didn't win those completely. Trump still had most evangelicals in

00:15:03.940 the bag. So that's another reason to me why it's not that it's not unbelievable to me that Joe Biden

00:15:10.940 won by the margin that he did. Yeah, I think I look, I think that's really reasonable, right? And I think

00:15:17.540 you look, a lot of people hammer the polls, that polls get beatings no matter what happens. I think,

00:15:23.660 you know, I like looking at polls, it does not give you an exact result, but it gives you a general

00:15:27.480 sense. And, you know, I looked through the, you know, we did a prediction on my show,

00:15:31.120 it does America on, you know, a couple of days before election night. And we came up with 306

00:15:36.420 electoral votes for Joe Biden, which is what he's, what he has right now, unless something changes.

00:15:42.320 It's not, it was not out of the realm of possibilities of what could happen there.

00:15:46.960 I think, you know, part of the reason, and I talked to my wife, Lisa, about this, and she's a

00:15:51.260 really big Trump supporter and was really surprised by that it could even be close, right? Because,

00:15:57.220 you know, we live in Texas, and, you know, it's a pretty red area. I think, though, to the average

00:16:02.300 person, you know, the country as a whole was never meant to be this focused on the president,

00:16:07.560 right? Like, this is America. We don't have a king. We left the whole British thing because we didn't

00:16:12.700 like the king situation. And that's not to say that Trump, you know, ruled as a king at all,

00:16:18.020 but he was in, he's been more involved in our daily lives than any other political figure,

00:16:23.320 probably in our memory, right? And part of that is because the media is totally unfair to him.

00:16:29.480 So commonly, everything he says turns into a massive news story. And that is not Donald Trump's

00:16:35.440 fault. On the other hand, he also really likes being the center of attention. And he likes inserting

00:16:40.000 himself into a lot of these things. So there's a, there's a, there's a, just like we're tired of,

00:16:44.680 like, COVID restrictions, and we're tired of these things that invade our lives all the time.

00:16:48.780 Donald Trump is a huge part of our life. He creates a lot of, a lot of anger from the left,

00:16:57.180 a lot of passion on the right. You know, I, my, you know, my wife has broken off long-term

00:17:02.260 friendships over this. You know, this is, this has been, we've become a very political society where

00:17:08.380 it's, it's become a real part of our lives. And I think a lot of times, and I know you talk about

00:17:12.620 this on the show, it overwhelms even things that are supposed to be more important, like faith,

00:17:17.620 like principles. So I think there was a pushback on that. And if you think about Donald Trump's

00:17:23.080 coalition from 2016, it included a lot of Democrats, right? He was able to win over a lot

00:17:29.680 of Democrats in 2016 that were not inherently Republican voters. He won people who would not

00:17:35.100 normally vote for Republicans. So when Hillary went away and, you know, Trump had four years of,

00:17:41.700 of some things he did, I think really well, but there was a lot of chaos in that period.

00:17:45.660 A lot of those Democrats who last time were like, you know what, I'm going to, I'm going to,

00:17:50.440 this one time in my life, I'm going to vote for a Republican.

00:17:52.600 And plus they didn't like Hillary. 0.99

00:17:53.900 And they hated Hillary. 0.95

00:17:54.740 Yeah.

00:17:54.960 They didn't hate Biden.

00:17:56.140 Yeah.

00:17:56.480 You know, they didn't feel that way about Biden.

00:17:57.900 Maybe they didn't love Biden.

00:17:59.120 Right.

00:17:59.520 But they also didn't hate Biden.

00:18:00.840 Like people are like, I can't believe 80 million people could have voted for Joe Biden.

00:18:04.100 Nobody voted for Joe Biden. They all just voted against Trump.

00:18:07.420 Yeah.

00:18:07.600 This was a one person election and there was a lot of passion against Trump. I mean,

00:18:11.900 they were lighting cities on fire. We remember this about this type of thing. So it's, it is,

00:18:17.760 it's, it's tough to kind of settle with here because I think it's, it's, it's hard to imagine

00:18:24.020 that people want that sort of AOC, Ilhan Omar world. I don't think they do, you know, but they

00:18:30.140 also kind of push back against some of these chaotic elements. And I think that's how we kind

00:18:34.840 of got to where we are.

00:18:35.700 And I think they don't realize, and Joe Biden's campaign did a good job of making sure of this,

00:18:41.640 that they don't realize that even with a Biden presidency, that is probably what they're going

00:18:46.720 to get in a lot of ways, probably not going to be as quick or as radical or as quickly radical

00:18:52.800 as say a Bernie Sanders presidency would be. But you're going to have a lot of far left

00:18:57.740 progressives making moves within the Biden administration and not to be a conspiracy

00:19:03.820 theorist, but it seems to me that the DNC knew exactly what you just said, that this is going

00:19:09.720 to be a one person election. And all we have to do is put up basically a cardboard cutout of a person

00:19:15.380 as boring as possible to, cause we got to get some of those moderate people. We got to get some of

00:19:20.600 those moderate Democrats back. We got to get, we, we got to get those people who might be conservative,

00:19:26.480 but just want normalcy. So they knew they could not put Bernie Sanders up against him.

00:19:31.600 And isn't it rare for someone, I think Joe Biden came fourth in the Iowa caucus. Is that correct?

00:19:38.960 Yeah, I kept trying to remember.

00:19:40.160 He didn't do well in the primaries for a long time. And everyone was like, wow.

00:19:43.800 He didn't win until South Carolina.

00:19:44.560 Yeah. Joe Biden's, he's not going to win. And then all of a sudden he was the nominee and amidst

00:19:49.020 COVID confusion, it was like, there wasn't even like a DNC. It was just like, oh, okay.

00:19:53.900 No more elections. No more elections.

00:19:55.380 We thought that, we thought that Bernie Sanders was doing well. So I don't want to say that the

00:19:59.700 primaries were rigged against Bernie Sanders, but it certainly seems like there was an intention by

00:20:04.880 the democratic party to do exactly what you just said to say, look, we just need as boring of a guy

00:20:11.820 as possible. And Joe Biden, Joe Biden is that, don't you think?

00:20:16.680 Yes. I mean, they, like they got Joe Biden as the nominee. I mean, and there was, I think a bunch

00:20:22.520 of reasons for that. I think there is enough awareness among Democrats that Bernie Sanders

00:20:28.140 is not what America wants right now. They want that eventually, but I just don't think they think

00:20:35.240 America is ready to elect Bernie Sanders as president. So they got Joe Biden and their treatment

00:20:41.700 after that point was exactly what they should have done. If you are a strategist for the Democrats,

00:20:47.960 what you want to say is make people forget anyone is running for president right now other than

00:20:52.960 Donald Trump. Make this into a situation where people walk in and say, do you want Donald Trump

00:20:57.340 or not? That's what they wanted. And the way they achieved that was by hiding Joe Biden for six

00:21:02.680 months. And they, look, they had the perfect excuse with COVID. He can't go outside. I'm sorry. I can't

00:21:09.360 do any rallies. Can't go on television. And why can't he go on television from his house? I don't

00:21:12.540 understand. But you realize every time he was making speeches, he was messing up and he was

00:21:16.340 hurting himself. They just did what they could. They called a lid every day at 11 o'clock and didn't

00:21:21.340 let anyone see Joe. And it's like the best Joe Biden is the one you forget exists is really their

00:21:26.840 pattern. And it was a probably a smart strategy in the end. You know, Trump, we saw that in the first

00:21:33.080 debate with Trump where he was trying to be aggressive, aggressive, aggressive, aggressive.

00:21:36.680 And what America needed to see was, hey, there's this other guy that you should not be sure about,

00:21:40.880 you know? And I think you saw him improve that strategy in the second debate, but it may have

00:21:45.080 been a little too late. And Democrats capitalized on the chaos that is already going on, the instability

00:21:52.020 that we all feel from COVID, whether you're someone who takes it seriously or not, your life has been

00:21:58.460 upended probably in one way or another, at least been interfered with by the bureaucrats making the

00:22:04.720 regulations, allegedly due to COVID. And people really longed and still long for normalcy and

00:22:13.940 stability. And I think that Joe Biden, even though you and I know that he isn't really the representation

00:22:20.480 of that, he presented himself as that. And Donald Trump, I think, in that first debate, thought that

00:22:27.840 people wanted the opposite of Joe Biden in the sense that they wanted someone who's going to be

00:22:32.400 aggressive and loud and boisterous. And I think most Americans were like, dude, I'm tired. I'm tired.

00:22:39.280 Like, a lot of people felt like Joe Biden did. Like, I feel like I can't even put, you know,

00:22:43.900 sentences together either. And so, yeah, I think that maybe Trump miscalculated that. But to your wife's

00:22:54.000 point, to Lisa's point about being surprised that this happened, I mean, to be fair, there is reason for

00:23:01.160 people to be skeptical about the election, even if it's just a feeling that they have based on things

00:23:07.800 that Democrats have done and said. I mean, you alluded to this. They have done absolutely everything

00:23:12.680 possible to try to discredit Donald Trump, even when he does something well. He has laid, or the

00:23:18.680 media has laid every single COVID death at his feet and hasn't, you know, criticized Governor Cuomo or

00:23:25.300 anyone else like that. Everything that he says becomes a scandal. The Pennsylvania AG before the

00:23:30.960 election said, if every vote is counted, Donald Trump is going to lose our state. I mean, we saw

00:23:36.800 that they would do a Russian collusion. They would do impeachment. We saw what they did with Kavanaugh.

00:23:42.240 They are willing to go to any length whatsoever to win. And so, for some people, they're like, well,

00:23:47.820 why, like, what exactly is the moral standard that would stop Democrats from cheating?

00:23:55.360 Absolutely none.

00:23:56.160 And so, I think a lot of people are thinking of it that way. And then also, they see the Biden rallies

00:24:00.300 that had, like, two people in their cars, like, waving their flag from a distance. And they see

00:24:05.960 Donald Trump with thousands and thousands of people. And so, you know, there is a reason for

00:24:12.080 people to be skeptical about this stuff. Oh, it feels weird. I mean, you know, one of the things

00:24:16.240 I think that's interesting about this election, and I don't think I can ever remember seeing it in my

00:24:21.540 lifetime, is there's always been a situation where the enthusiasm meant something, right? Enthusiasm

00:24:31.560 was always a meaningful thing. You'd look at Barack Obama in 2008, right? Barack Obama in 2008 is out

00:24:36.300 there. He's got these huge crowds. They're absolutely going crazy. And it meant something. It meant

00:24:41.280 something towards the result. 2016, Donald Trump, his polls, he was a little bit behind in the polls,

00:24:46.540 right? But people felt it. You watched the rallies. You saw people going crazy. And so,

00:24:53.580 we apply that sort of previous knowledge to this current situation. I think the thing that's a

00:24:58.780 little different here, and I think what we kind of forget is, one, there was part of that that was

00:25:06.100 a strategy by Democrats, right? Like, they could go pay a bunch of people to come and act

00:25:11.180 excited at the rallies that they really wanted a lot of people. They were trying to be the adults

00:25:15.500 in the room about COVID, right? So they were, and that was their excuse. The real thing was they

00:25:21.180 didn't want Joe Biden in front of people. But the bottom line is, they intentionally kind of avoided

00:25:25.040 the rallies. That's not to say that they would have been anything like Trump rallies. They wouldn't

00:25:29.240 have been. They would have been snore fests. And when they tried to do it, they weren't particularly

00:25:35.480 successful. But the passion, the enthusiasm here, the gap in enthusiasm was not between,

00:25:41.520 you can't compare Trump's enthusiasm to Biden. There is no comparison. But you can compare Trump's,

00:25:47.160 the enthusiasm for Trump against the enthusiasm against Trump. And they really hate this guy,

00:25:53.800 right? They will do anything. They sat there and lied on television about him for four straight years.

00:26:00.960 Uh, they did everything they could to unseat him. They gave away all journalistic standards to try

00:26:08.100 to sink this guy for four consecutive years. Um, and I think there were a lot of people who saw him as

00:26:15.140 Satan himself, right? And they really did come out. I mean, you saw like the, these, I made the joke

00:26:21.020 about they were burning cities to the ground over the sky. They really were. I mean, they were out there

00:26:25.860 rioting and, and, and so much of the George Floyd stuff and all of those riots. And at the time

00:26:31.680 was brought back to not even police, but Donald Trump himself, everything was Trump's fault.

00:26:37.380 So, so many in our society, and we know we see them all the time on Twitter and everything else

00:26:42.560 are, were maniacally crazy against this guy. They wanted him out. And so you really go back to,

00:26:49.800 there were tons of people who really supported him and saw what he was trying to do as something

00:26:54.720 good for the country. But you know, look, you, you face four straight years of constant media

00:27:00.200 pressure. Everyone kind of saying the same thing on television. You know, not everybody's here

00:27:04.840 listening to a podcast, a long form discussion, like we're doing here. A lot of people are watching,

00:27:09.280 you know, the Kardashians or whatever the, whatever the more updated reference is. I don't even know

00:27:13.960 if that show's on anymore, but like people don't live this, like maybe the people in your audience do.

00:27:18.780 Yeah. And, you know, they, they make, a lot of them make decisions based on kind of what their

00:27:23.560 friends think and who they're, what their peer group is thinking. And the pop culture thing,

00:27:29.000 all celebrities and all that stuff, we're all saying the same thing, that Donald Trump was the

00:27:32.180 worst person on earth. So I think when you, it doesn't feel that way. And I, and I, and people

00:27:37.340 kind of go, well, should I have questions about this election? I think that's totally understandable

00:27:42.200 and reasonable to have those questions.

00:27:44.020 And you should, like, you should ask questions. And like we were both saying, I think we support

00:27:49.880 the pursuit of the truth, even if it's not decisive. I want that kind of thing to be

00:27:54.180 uncovered. I want us to have the highest integrity in our elections, whether Democrats win or whether

00:28:00.540 Republicans win, just because I think that's important. And I thought at the very beginning

00:28:04.880 of the Russia investigation, when we didn't know very much, I thought the same thing. I said,

00:28:09.260 let's investigate. Of course, then as it went on, it was like, oh my gosh,

00:28:13.140 this is a lot of taxpayer dollars for a lot of nothing. But I thought the same thing. Okay,

00:28:18.560 my guy is getting investigated. I want to know if it's true. I want to know if the president of

00:28:22.720 the United States colluded with Russia to become the president. And I want to know this too.

00:28:30.180 It doesn't seem though that that kind of curiosity and desire for integrity is nonpartisan among a lot

00:28:37.400 of people though.

00:28:38.420 Yeah. I don't think you're going to see any of the same questions being asked about Biden.

00:28:41.420 And then there are legitimate questions to be asked about Biden. And I'm kind of of the mindset

00:28:47.920 of like, let's look at the worst case scenario here. I'm kind of a very negative person. But

00:28:53.440 like I look at this and I say, if let's say Sidney Powell's lawsuits all come through and Trump goes

00:28:58.540 back into office, that's easy for us to adjust to. That's cake, right? Like, okay, Trump's in there

00:29:03.800 again. We've already had four years of that, four more years. Hey, our taxes are low for four more years.

00:29:08.460 That's going to be something I'm going to have no problem adjusting to. I don't want to let Joe

00:29:13.220 Biden walk into office in January if he winds up, if this stuff doesn't pan out with no criticism,

00:29:20.800 with no one looking at, he's just naming people to cabinet posts left and right. And, you know,

00:29:26.280 the conservative media largely is kind of just shrugging their shoulders and letting him do whatever

00:29:30.620 he wants as, you know, he marches towards Washington. And like, I feel like we have to guard

00:29:38.360 those things or there will be no scrutiny from the mainstream media. So I don't know. That's the

00:29:44.000 way I'm trying to look at it. It's like I would love, everyone would love the best case scenario,

00:29:48.540 but you got to plan for the worst. And we have to look at this and say, you know, they've got a week

00:29:52.900 left to try to prove this. And, you know, if it's true, I want it to be out there. But we have to look

00:29:58.460 at it and say, okay, well, let's focus on, let's look at that. We're not going to be able to change

00:30:03.580 that on social media. Let them do their jobs in court. They should have their right to do that. 1.00

00:30:07.560 And then we'll look at the other stuff as well. And that's how I feel. And a lot of people have

00:30:12.200 accused me and accused a lot of other people of giving up the fight, of not being a true patriot,

00:30:17.120 of not supporting Donald Trump. But I kind of feel like there's nothing I can do. I support them

00:30:22.720 in their pursuit of the truth. And I want the truth to come out. And if it's decisive,

00:30:26.840 that will come as a shock to me. That'll be amazing. I want Donald Trump to be president

00:30:30.760 for four more years. Of course I do. I think policy-wise, he has done a lot of good things.

00:30:35.360 And when I look at the threat of China, when I look at the people that Joe Biden has named

00:30:39.340 to cabinet positions, the swampiest of swampy people in the entire world, I'm like, oh my gosh,

00:30:44.680 do we really want John Kerry in charge of anything? So I want that. When I look at the threats

00:30:53.480 that we are facing, I think that Donald Trump is the man for the job. But I am not going to delude

00:31:01.080 myself into thinking that that has a high probability. And that doesn't mean that I don't

00:31:06.460 support that or that I'm not a patriot.

00:31:09.280 I don't think you're a patriot.

00:31:10.820 Well, I know that you don't. I know that you don't think I'm a patriot, but I want to make sure

00:31:14.820 everyone else knows that I am. Let's talk quickly about Georgia. We talked about Sidney Powell and the

00:31:21.300 Dominion Voting System and the accusations of widespread fraud. Now we are hearing both her

00:31:25.440 and Lin Wood. There was a rally earlier this week in Georgia saying, do not vote for Republicans in

00:31:32.020 these two special election Senate races until they guarantee, I guess, the Secretary of State in 0.95

00:31:39.260 Georgia and Governor Kemp, until they guarantee that we have integrity in our voting system, you need

00:31:45.440 to withhold your vote. And I've talked to people online that say, yeah, I'm going to teach Mitch McConnell

00:31:50.940 and the establishment a lesson. And it blows my mind. It blows my mind. What do you think about

00:31:56.320 that? Yeah, because I mean, I think the lesson that will be taught will be to us. Because if we,

00:32:01.660 if these, you know, even if it's completely because of corruption, right? If, you know,

00:32:08.900 Joe Biden is president, and these two seats go to the Democrats, they will have complete control

00:32:14.500 of the government, and they will be able to do all the extreme things that we worried about from the

00:32:17.980 very beginning. I think a lot of Republicans have come to this idea, oh, well, the election went

00:32:22.280 better than we thought in the House and in the Senate. Not necessarily the presidential race,

00:32:27.080 but at least there's going to be some way of stopping all the crazy, all the AOC from popping

00:32:32.040 out in everybody's mind. And the Democrats have gone to great lengths to try to convince Republicans

00:32:37.760 of this. For example, Joe Manchin has been on television every two days, who's probably the most

00:32:43.320 moderate of the Democrats from West Virginia saying, I won't let any of this happen. I'll tell

00:32:48.860 you right now, I'll vote against it. I will say, if they try to get in the filibuster or pack the

00:32:53.860 court or any of these things, I'm going to be the standing up against it. I, these darn Democrats,

00:32:57.800 and then AOC posts a picture of her frowning at Manchin. This is theater. It is theater designed

00:33:04.260 to convince people in Georgia that could go either way, that it's okay if you give Democrats control of

00:33:09.360 the entire Senate, because they won't do all these crazy things. Joe Manchin will be there for you.

00:33:13.600 Here's the truth. Joe Manchin will not be there for you. When they need his vote, he will vote with

00:33:18.860 the Democrats. When there's plenty of clearance, and it doesn't really matter how he votes, he'll

00:33:23.580 throw some votes to Republicans so he can seem like he's moderate. But we've seen this with all sorts

00:33:28.860 of different votes over the years. When they've needed his vote, he's always there for them.

00:33:34.500 And Republicans should legitimately be terrified of what happens if they don't get both of these

00:33:41.160 seats. And to an extent as well, even if they do get these seats, who are you, who are you

00:33:46.820 depending on? Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, Mitt Romney. These are not people who you could depend

00:33:53.640 on voting for conservative policies here. 52. And it's a very jello like 52. Yeah. If you win both

00:34:01.040 of them. Lin Wood, who was the guy making this case at the rally you're talking about, is a guy who has

00:34:07.160 voted for, campaigned for, and donated to Democrats his entire life.

00:34:13.680 Specifically the candidate that ran against Purdue last time.

00:34:16.540 Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And when Obama could have had a super majority, he was there to donate to

00:34:24.140 Democrats. Purdue's opponent, he voted in the Stacey Abrams primary. Well, you know, people who support

00:34:30.660 Donald Trump generally didn't vote in the Stacey Abrams primary in Georgia. You know, it's awfully

00:34:36.220 convenient that Joe Manchin can come out and say, oh, I'm on the Republican side this one time. It's

00:34:41.700 awfully convenient that this lifelong Democrat is out there advising Republicans not to vote for

00:34:46.780 Republicans. Yeah. You know, we have to, again, I'm a worst case scenario guy here. We have to have

00:34:52.220 some way of stopping the worst impulses of the Democratic Party. Yeah. If Joe Biden is president,

00:35:00.300 if there's a Democratic Senate and a Democratic House, they're going to be able to do whatever they want.

00:35:05.320 And it's not Mitch McConnell who's going to learn a lesson there. He's going to have his nice job

00:35:10.520 and he's going to make all this money. He's going to have plenty of influence at all of his dinner

00:35:14.040 parties anyway. Right. It's us. We're the ones that are going to feel better. We're the ones that

00:35:17.480 are having our First and Second Amendment rights threatened, parental rights threatened when you're

00:35:21.820 looking at something like the Equality Act, that stuff. I mean, AOC has already said, look, I don't want

00:35:26.280 to lose because I don't want to compromise. I get it. From as a Republican, I feel the same way.

00:35:31.300 I don't want to compromise with you guys, with the radicals at least, either. And so I want to win.

00:35:37.780 But you're hearing the farthest left wing of the party saying, look, I'm not looking to compromise.

00:35:41.900 She's posting things about Joe Manchin like, you know, you better you better watch out. And so

00:35:47.220 they're not looking to compromise. They're not interested in in moderating to the, you know,

00:35:52.640 70 plus million people that voted for Donald Trump. And when you look at the Georgia Senate races,

00:35:59.540 it's Republicans' fault, by the way, that a Republican didn't beat Warnock. If you look at

00:36:04.640 Doug Collins plus Loeffler, they got 600,000 more votes than Warnock did. But because they

00:36:11.200 had the election the way that they did, you know, there wasn't obviously enough. We knew that was

00:36:17.620 going to go to a special election. But right now, Loeffler is down, you said before we started this

00:36:23.880 episode, seven points. Yeah, a new poll has Loeffler down seven points and has Perdue down two points.

00:36:28.780 Now, look, it's a poll. We all know the polls are not always it's one poll and they're not always

00:36:33.460 accurate. We know that. But there is real reason to be scared. I keep coming back to this imagery

00:36:38.180 where, like, you're standing on the edge of a cliff and you're balancing yourself on one foot

00:36:42.960 and Republicans are just convincing themselves, ah, the wind will probably come and blow us back onto

00:36:46.900 land. But what if it blows the other way? Yeah. I mean, this is a close election either way. We've seen

00:36:52.440 multiple close elections here. This is a national election. They're pouring a quarter of a billion

00:36:57.200 dollars into these races. Democrats want them. And there's a reason they want them. It's not

00:37:02.380 because they want to get some moderate changes through. They want them because they see an

00:37:06.400 opportunity to do real damage to the things that Republicans, conservatives hold dear.

00:37:13.020 And look, I mean, I'm not in Georgia. I'm not going to be voting in Georgia. But if I were,

00:37:17.300 I would not let a lifelong Democrat or another lifelong Democrat talk me out of voting for

00:37:24.840 Republicans here. Right. And I do actually think that Kemp and the Secretary of State

00:37:28.980 and the two Republican Senate candidates have supported the fight there and have said,

00:37:37.320 yeah, we want election integrity. We're going to do everything we can to make sure that this election

00:37:41.440 is conducted in a way that is honorable and honest. So a lot of people are saying, well,

00:37:48.520 the Georgia officials aren't doing anything. I actually think that they are doing something.

00:37:53.040 And to the people who are saying, well, what's the point of voting if we cheat? We're just going

00:37:57.100 to lose anyway. Well, one way to guarantee that you lose is not voting. That's a really good way to

00:38:01.760 guarantee that you lose. Yes, it is very. That will definitely be. I promise you, you will lose if no

00:38:08.560 one votes. You got to do it. And it is sometimes I think you get down these roads where you want to

00:38:15.240 send messages. You want to punish these officials. I mean, the Secretary of State has taken a beating

00:38:18.920 in Georgia as well as the governor. I mean, Loeffler and and Perdue have called for him to step down

00:38:26.100 the Secretary of State over all of this. I don't know what else they're they're they're going to

00:38:30.840 honestly do here. But the truth is, this is it's like when you're when your outcome aligns exactly

00:38:39.920 with Nancy Pelosi and what she wants and what AOC and what she wants, you're probably on the wrong

00:38:45.340 side as a conservative. Yeah. You know, and I think I think this we got to we can't let people

00:38:51.360 who have God only knows what their actual intent is. I will say, like, there's a lot of money flowing

00:38:56.400 around to some of these attorneys from outside groups. I would not be surprised if we find a lot

00:39:00.880 of the funding from this coming from left wing groups, not right wing groups in some of these

00:39:05.080 lawsuits, because, you know, right now we're at a situation where, you know, when the outcome is

00:39:11.020 that when you have thousands of Trump fans cheering for a democratic control of government, which is

00:39:17.380 what was being encouraged there, you have to their question marks have to pop up in your mind.

00:39:22.620 You got to vote your conscience and what you believe is right. If you think these people are really

00:39:26.120 that terrible, you got to vote the way you want to vote. But don't don't let the Democrats talk

00:39:30.800 you into doing it. Yeah. And I don't have time to play the clips that I wanted to play. But there

00:39:36.820 are a lot of hearings that are going on hearings in Pennsylvania and Arizona, in Michigan, where

00:39:41.880 people are they're purporting, you know, various evidences of of fraud, like a spike in Biden votes

00:39:50.140 in Pennsylvania. Mathematician Robert Pinion says that he wouldn't certify the Arizona election,

00:39:55.960 based on what he has seen. That's what he said in an Arizona hearing and a Michigan hearing. A poll

00:40:00.540 watcher claims that she couldn't see any ballots and wasn't allowed to get closer. And I think seeing

00:40:05.800 some of these hearings come out, a lot of people are hopeful that, OK, maybe maybe change is a

00:40:11.700 comment. Donald Trump, he released a 45 minute video saying, look, I need your support. So I guess my

00:40:20.640 question is, what's your prediction in in all of this? What's your message to people that are still

00:40:27.240 clinging to hope that things could turn around for Trump? Hope for the best, but prepare for the

00:40:32.680 worst. I think the the it's the percentage chance of this succeeding is low. The reason is because,

00:40:39.800 look, you're in a system that if the fraud is true, is likely to rule against you, right? It's hard to

00:40:48.760 imagine it goes another way than that. So I mean, I think, you know, I think preparing for the worst

00:40:54.220 is is a rational thing to do. You know, I think there's a lot of stuff. You remember, there's two

00:40:59.180 roads here. There's a lot of stuff that goes on social media. There's a lot of videos, a lot of like,

00:41:02.840 I don't understand why this line goes up this way. You know, I've been watching election results come

00:41:06.420 in for years. It's my it's a big part of my job. That happens every single election like that giant

00:41:12.020 chunks of votes come from cities that are 95 to 5 or 90 to 10 Democrat. It's not it's it's not

00:41:19.360 unnatural that that sort of stuff happens. That might be different than what they're talking about.

00:41:23.360 What you can, I think, sit back and take solace in a little bit is that these attorneys say they have

00:41:28.900 the evidence and they have promised us multiple times on the air they will be able to prove it in court by

00:41:34.240 the deadline. So there's very little for us to do here. We can sit back and watch it all happen,

00:41:39.780 try to understand it. But it's really going to be something that takes place in the courts.

00:41:44.720 And these attorneys, the ones that are on Donald Trump's payroll, the ones that are fighting in

00:41:49.820 Georgia, are people who know the legal system probably better than all of us. And they say they

00:41:55.800 can do it. We all we have to do is sit back and watch and see if they can. But we can do something

00:42:00.900 about the Georgia election that will at least alleviate the worst things that the outcome

00:42:05.820 could present. Yeah. And guys, if we lose Georgia, you can't say that it was rigged.

00:42:11.340 It's because people didn't go out and vote. And so, yeah, please vote. It's literally the the rights

00:42:18.560 of the entire nation are arresting on Georgia right now. And I think it's very short sighted to

00:42:23.480 listen to someone who has been a historic Democratic donor and not voting for the candidates,

00:42:31.200 one of whom he has donated to the opponent of a few years ago. And so please vote in Georgia.

00:42:39.540 There's a lot on the line. I'll be talking a lot more about that in the next month or so. As you said,

00:42:44.480 really, all we can do right now is see things unfold. If something by some miracle, by some

00:42:50.360 some unexpected turn of events, things did go in the way of Donald Trump. We are looking at

00:42:55.820 the greatest meltdown from the left and the media that we have ever, ever seen. I don't anticipate

00:43:02.940 that, but I think I'm just gonna I would hide in a bunker for at least a year. Oh, yeah. If that

00:43:08.320 happened. Yes. I just can't imagine. Preparation supplies will be flying off the shelves. Yes. My

00:43:13.120 Patriot supply. They're not a sponsor, but you should check them out just in case. OK, so can you tell

00:43:18.920 everyone where they can find you? Yeah, please. Stu Does America. It airs here on Blaze TV. I get

00:43:24.320 it on podcast as well. There's on YouTube. If you just search for Stu, I'll be the first channel

00:43:29.120 there. And yeah, not a lot of people searching for Stu. I don't know if that's true. And on Twitter

00:43:34.920 at Stu Does America. OK, awesome. Thank you so much for taking the time. Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - December 04, 2020

Ep 334 ｜ Presidential Election Aftermath & the Importance of Georgia ｜ Guest： Stu Burguiere

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