Ep 334 ｜ Presidential Election Aftermath & the Importance of Georgia ｜ Guest： Stu Burguiere
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Stu Brageer of Blaze TV joins me to talk about the election fraud allegations and where we think this election is headed. We discuss the allegations of fraud in the election and how they impact the outcome of the election.
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Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Friday. Hope everyone has had a wonderful week. Today
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I'm going to be talking to Stu Brageer of Blaze TV about the fraud allegations and where
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we think this election is headed. If anywhere, we're going to be talking about Georgia and
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some of the lawsuits that are going on there. Before we get into the conversation, I would
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further ado, here is Stu Bergeer. Stu, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me.
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I appreciate it. So today we're going to talk about the allegations of fraud that have been going on in
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the election. You've been following this closely. You've been talking a lot about it on Glenn's show,
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on your own show. Can you give us the most up-to-date update that you have on the litigation,
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on the hearings that involve the accusations of fraud in different states?
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Yeah, sure. I mean, it's a very challenging proposition for the Trump campaign. And they've
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been trying to go after, because it's not just one state, right? They need to overturn multiple
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states to actually make a difference. I think we can look at all of this and say there definitely was
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fraud at some level. I mean, there definitely were things that were weird. There were things that
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were against the rules that were done. The question is- Like, what are some of those things?
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You know, a lot of it had to do with observers. So in some ways, it can be encouraging to look at it
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this way. And you see how many fail-safes there are in the election process. Like,
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there's supposed to be Republicans and Democrats there to watch all these votes. So when there's
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questionable ballots, someone can look at, you know, from each side and say, yes, we agree that
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was a vote for Trump. Yes, we agree that was a vote for Trump. And it goes through the process in
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that way. A lot of it had to do with the way Republican poll watchers were treated. Observers were
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treated poorly. They were mocked at times. Everything from mocking to not being, you know,
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they're able to watch the process, but they're watching it from 20 feet away, where they can't
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see any of the details of the ballots. And often the excuse was, well, COVID. I mean, you know.
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It happened in Pennsylvania. It was one of the, again, this is what was accused of.
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Right. Michigan was, it was, there was talked about a lot in those states, that particular
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question. You know, there was questions about ballots that would be cured or not. So the idea
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is like, if you, let's say you, you cast a ballot, there's a problem with it. Can the government call
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you up and say, hey, you, you, you checked three boxes for president. This ballot's not going to count.
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Do you want to fix this? That is a process that's pretty rare, but does happen. What did not happen
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in every county in Pennsylvania though? So some people, if you lived in one county, you were not
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able to do that. If you lived in another county, you were. And the counties where they were allowing
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the curing of the ballots seem to be democratic counties. Again, small number of votes, but
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something that should be looked at. And I think that's why you kind of have to look at all of
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these accusations in sort of two different buckets. One is, if you could look back to that press
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conference from a couple of weeks ago, Rudy Giuliani was making a lot of claims of that nature,
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right? Where there would be people who said, this doesn't look right, or this rule may have been
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bent. But it was smaller numbers of ballots. Wouldn't necessarily overturn the election, but still
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really important to look at. On the other side, you had kind of the Sidney Powell approach, which was
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to accuse, make accusations of widespread systemic fraud, multiple millions of votes switching sides
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from one to another. And you saw kind of less evidence to those claims, but those would be the
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types of claims that could potentially overturn the result, or at least from where we understand
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it right now. And does it seem like the Trump team and Sidney Powell, who's not technically part of
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the Trump team, but is fighting this battle in a different way? Do they seem confident that not
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only there was fraud, obviously, they're pretty confident in that, but that it is enough to be
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decisive in this election? Yeah, that's that's the big question, right? And what's been interesting
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about it is a lot a lot of the focus on social media and talk shows and stuff has been like,
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are you supporting the president? Or are you? Are you staying on board and questioning these
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results? Right. And I keep saying to people, look, we can't social media this election into
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existence. We can't we can't talk show a second term for Donald Trump. We're not gonna be able
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to do it in those on those fronts. This has to happen in the courts. And so we've talked to
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all of the main attorneys in these cases, many other people who have been used as witnesses,
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other people who have been involved in this process. And very consistently throughout,
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they've communicated to us two things. One, that they have enough evidence to be able to
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overturn the election results. And two, they understand the time constraints and will be
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able to prove it in court. And to me, if you are looking for this to be overturned, that should give
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you the ultimate amount of confidence. They are telling us 100% they're going to do it. And they're
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going to do it with the restrictions they know exist. Now, we are now several weeks later. And this is
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a difficult thing. It's asking a lot of these attorneys to be able to do this. And, you know,
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one of the things I think you can be a little worried about if you're if you're looking for
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that result is this if you believe the sort of Sidney Powell approach, where you're talking about
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multiple millions of votes in a system that is so impossibly corrupt, especially in somewhere like
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Georgia, right? Like that's where she's focusing. She's saying the Dominion voting systems
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are basically corrupt or they didn't work. And she argues that they turned over millions of votes,
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correct? Millions of votes over multiple states. If you have a system like that, it's hard to imagine
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that system is going to allow you to overturn the results when you question it, right? I mean,
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you're talking about a system that's so ingrained with corruption in that circumstance, that it would
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be a really heavy lift for these attorneys to do that. They have expressed confidence. But obviously,
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time is running out. I think it's December 9, where these kind of the electoral votes sort of kind of
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get locked. And then on the 14th, they become official. So you're talking about a little bit
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over, you know, what a week in that circumstance. You know, it's tough. The Dominion thing is is a
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very it's it's in some ways unfalsifiable. You can't really you're never going to know for sure
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it didn't happen. I know we talked to Barry Loudermilk. He's a congressman from Georgia,
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and he's worked very hard over the past few years on election law and trying to make sure that these
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things there is some some level of security. So the Dominion machines they have in Georgia
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have a couple of functions to them. You go in, you press your button for your your candidate.
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It spits out a paper ballot. You as the voter look at that paper ballot, and you are able to
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confirm that it actually cast the vote the way that you believe it did. You then put it through
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the system. And there's a hand there's a paper ballot record of all of this. So that's when they did
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this paper ballot recount. And so there is a layer there that it that that hopefully, you know,
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gets you some sort of certainty when they went through and cast collected those votes. They found
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some votes for Donald Trump. I mean, it was eight or 900 or maybe 1000 votes. There's over a few
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thousand that were not counted. Really glad they found them. It wasn't quite enough in a closed state
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like Georgia to overturn the number. But at least they had that paper ballot record. In Pennsylvania,
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there are some Dominion machines as well. But they were not in Philadelphia or Pittsburgh,
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which were the two main areas. They were talking about this fraud occurring. And actually, Trump did
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better than expected in Philadelphia. In this in the counties where Donald where they use Dominion
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voting machines in Pennsylvania, Trump won 52% of the vote. So he actually won those counties. Yeah,
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it's tough because, you know, there's a lot of layers to this. But it's like Republicans overall did
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actually pretty well in the election. So there's there's those two sort of buckets where like
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the Sidney Powell stuff and you've seen the Trump administration and the campaign distance themselves
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from Powell and some of the claims that they're making because they're sort of widespread. And
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some of them, I mean, some of them are provably not true. Some of them are just unfalsifiable.
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So you never will know. Yeah. Where Giuliani has tried to focus more on these things where you have
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actual witnesses and depositions. It's just a question. Is that going to be enough to turn over
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anything? Yeah. Which I support the pursuit of of truth and election integrity, even if it's if it's
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not decisive. But I have been surprised just at the amount of confidence that it seems like a lot of
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people have that it will be decisive that what Sidney Powell is doing in Georgia, for example,
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is going to change the results of the election, at least at least there and that this is going to
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be proven a systemic widespread problem and that Donald Trump really will become the president.
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I said a few weeks ago, my husband and I went to Georgia to visit family. I said, you know,
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this seems different. I used to live in Georgia. My husband grew up in Georgia. Obviously,
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it's been a pretty red state. But we drove from the northwest to the northeast. We were in Atlanta.
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And I thought this feels blue. This looks blue. And rural places in Georgia where you don't expect
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to see Biden signs, there were Biden Kamala signs. Where we were was a blue area. And we knew that.
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And so that was expected. But it was even even more than typical. I mean, there were BLM signs. There
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were, you know, defund the police movements there. And even in the rural areas around that, there were a
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lot of Biden signs. And that was just a feeling. But I said that on election night that I wouldn't
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be surprised if Georgia went blue. And I got all this hate on Twitter saying, you know, where did
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you go? That's so crazy. And so when it looked like Georgia, you know, was going blue, I wasn't
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surprised. Now, I'm not saying that my anecdote is definitive proof that there wasn't fraud in Georgia,
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but I'm not so surprised that I'm going to say this has to be cheating in order for Georgia to go
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blue. Because it seemed likely to me just for my own personal experience. Yeah. And look, I'm totally
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with you that the fraud stuff needs to be looked into. You need to know, like, even if we find out
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that millions of votes switched hands, we probably don't really have a country anymore. Like our election
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system is so out of whack. And it's going to be difficult to maintain a republic in that scenario.
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But I still want to know the truth, right? I want to know the truth either way. But I mean,
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what actually wound up happening in the recorded vote is not all that far out of line as to what
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we kind of expected to happen when looking at polling. You know, you point out Georgia,
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and I remember you saying that on election night. And it's true. I mean, it's been like,
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this has been a purple state for the last couple of elections. Kemp barely won. You know,
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Stacey Abrams almost won that election. Yeah, she was kind of radical for a Democrat. She wasn't
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like just a moderate Democrat. Yeah, that's true. And we've seen that. We've seen Georgia
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moving in a big way. Yeah. And this has been predicted for a long time. Now, I think we
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get resistant to those things because they say it about Texas, too. Right. And Texas was
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a relatively comfortable margin, a bigger margin than Cruz over Beto. So a lot of these times,
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these things, the media likes to hype that narrative. Right. It seems to be pretty real
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in Georgia. You know, you look at Pennsylvania again, and I used to live in Pennsylvania in Bucks
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County, which is a suburb of Philadelphia. And a lot of people talked about sort of the potential
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fraud about Philadelphia, where actually Trump did better than he did in 2016 in Philadelphia.
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But the entire margin of that election, as recorded today, is more than compensated for in the switch
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in votes in these suburban counties. White suburban counties moved not intensely, but enough against
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Trump in these counties to change the actual result. I mean, you know, I think 38 states have been
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certified so far. And you look at that 38 states, and you see a really consistent pattern, about a three
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and a half point move from 2016 to 2020, from Trump to, you know, Trump versus Clinton to Trump versus
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Biden to go to the Democrats. That Trump actually did better in swing states than the average in
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most cases. Georgia was an exception to that. But in Pennsylvania, in fact, his best state in the
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entire union outside of Utah, which was kind of weird because of third party situation in 2016,
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was Florida, which is, you know, one of the most important swing states. He did really well in
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Florida and actually improved on his margins from 2016 there. So you look at it, you don't see anything
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that at the end of the day would look that abnormal as to what was expected. Trump outperformed his
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polls a little bit in most places. But at the end of the day, you're talking about an election that
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was really freaking close. And Trump almost won as recorded vote. Again, we'll talk about that other
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fraud stuff as we go. But it's like, he came really close in an impossible situation in the middle of
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a pandemic in the middle of a, you know, a very, very visceral media against him for four years.
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He was able to do really well and kept it very close. It's a very close election.
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And he did really well among minority voters, which, of course, Democrats would have said,
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well, we have those in the bag. And I actually watched Joe Biden's campaign. I felt like,
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you know, if I if I weren't a conservative, I would have been the target of a lot of Joe Biden's
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campaign because they were really working hard to reach out to that white suburban mom,
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to reach out to the evangelical Christian and to say, this is the normal candidate,
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the faith filled candidate, the candidate that is going to bring decency back into your life and
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back into the White House, which I think appealed to people like me, if you're maybe politically
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apathetic or in the middle, or even maybe if you're a little bit politically conservative,
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but you're just tired of Trump being bombastic. And we actually saw Trump actually gained among
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white women, but he lost among white men. He lost a few percentage points among evangelicals,
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certainly among mainline Protestants, which are liberal in general. And so when you look at where
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Trump lost and where Trump gained, you see a pretty clear parallel between that and the focus
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of Joe Biden's campaign. Joe Biden won the demographics that they worked really hard to get,
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which were white Christians. They didn't win those completely. Trump still had most evangelicals in
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the bag. So that's another reason to me why it's not that it's not unbelievable to me that Joe Biden
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won by the margin that he did. Yeah, I think I look, I think that's really reasonable, right? And I think
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you look, a lot of people hammer the polls, that polls get beatings no matter what happens. I think,
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you know, I like looking at polls, it does not give you an exact result, but it gives you a general
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sense. And, you know, I looked through the, you know, we did a prediction on my show,
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it does America on, you know, a couple of days before election night. And we came up with 306
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electoral votes for Joe Biden, which is what he's, what he has right now, unless something changes.
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It's not, it was not out of the realm of possibilities of what could happen there.
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I think, you know, part of the reason, and I talked to my wife, Lisa, about this, and she's a
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really big Trump supporter and was really surprised by that it could even be close, right? Because,
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you know, we live in Texas, and, you know, it's a pretty red area. I think, though, to the average
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person, you know, the country as a whole was never meant to be this focused on the president,
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right? Like, this is America. We don't have a king. We left the whole British thing because we didn't
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like the king situation. And that's not to say that Trump, you know, ruled as a king at all,
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but he was in, he's been more involved in our daily lives than any other political figure,
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probably in our memory, right? And part of that is because the media is totally unfair to him.
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So commonly, everything he says turns into a massive news story. And that is not Donald Trump's
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fault. On the other hand, he also really likes being the center of attention. And he likes inserting
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himself into a lot of these things. So there's a, there's a, there's a, just like we're tired of,
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like, COVID restrictions, and we're tired of these things that invade our lives all the time.
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Donald Trump is a huge part of our life. He creates a lot of, a lot of anger from the left,
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a lot of passion on the right. You know, I, my, you know, my wife has broken off long-term
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friendships over this. You know, this is, this has been, we've become a very political society where
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it's, it's become a real part of our lives. And I think a lot of times, and I know you talk about
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this on the show, it overwhelms even things that are supposed to be more important, like faith,
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like principles. So I think there was a pushback on that. And if you think about Donald Trump's
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coalition from 2016, it included a lot of Democrats, right? He was able to win over a lot
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of Democrats in 2016 that were not inherently Republican voters. He won people who would not
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normally vote for Republicans. So when Hillary went away and, you know, Trump had four years of,
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of some things he did, I think really well, but there was a lot of chaos in that period.
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A lot of those Democrats who last time were like, you know what, I'm going to, I'm going to,
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this one time in my life, I'm going to vote for a Republican.
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You know, they didn't feel that way about Biden.
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Like people are like, I can't believe 80 million people could have voted for Joe Biden.
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Nobody voted for Joe Biden. They all just voted against Trump.
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This was a one person election and there was a lot of passion against Trump. I mean,
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they were lighting cities on fire. We remember this about this type of thing. So it's, it is,
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it's, it's tough to kind of settle with here because I think it's, it's, it's hard to imagine
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that people want that sort of AOC, Ilhan Omar world. I don't think they do, you know, but they
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also kind of push back against some of these chaotic elements. And I think that's how we kind
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And I think they don't realize, and Joe Biden's campaign did a good job of making sure of this,
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that they don't realize that even with a Biden presidency, that is probably what they're going
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to get in a lot of ways, probably not going to be as quick or as radical or as quickly radical
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as say a Bernie Sanders presidency would be. But you're going to have a lot of far left
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progressives making moves within the Biden administration and not to be a conspiracy
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theorist, but it seems to me that the DNC knew exactly what you just said, that this is going
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to be a one person election. And all we have to do is put up basically a cardboard cutout of a person
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as boring as possible to, cause we got to get some of those moderate people. We got to get some of
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those moderate Democrats back. We got to get, we, we got to get those people who might be conservative,
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but just want normalcy. So they knew they could not put Bernie Sanders up against him.
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And isn't it rare for someone, I think Joe Biden came fourth in the Iowa caucus. Is that correct?
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He didn't do well in the primaries for a long time. And everyone was like, wow.
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Yeah. Joe Biden's, he's not going to win. And then all of a sudden he was the nominee and amidst
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COVID confusion, it was like, there wasn't even like a DNC. It was just like, oh, okay.
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We thought that, we thought that Bernie Sanders was doing well. So I don't want to say that the
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primaries were rigged against Bernie Sanders, but it certainly seems like there was an intention by
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the democratic party to do exactly what you just said to say, look, we just need as boring of a guy
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as possible. And Joe Biden, Joe Biden is that, don't you think?
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Yes. I mean, they, like they got Joe Biden as the nominee. I mean, and there was, I think a bunch
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of reasons for that. I think there is enough awareness among Democrats that Bernie Sanders
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is not what America wants right now. They want that eventually, but I just don't think they think
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America is ready to elect Bernie Sanders as president. So they got Joe Biden and their treatment
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after that point was exactly what they should have done. If you are a strategist for the Democrats,
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what you want to say is make people forget anyone is running for president right now other than
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Donald Trump. Make this into a situation where people walk in and say, do you want Donald Trump
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or not? That's what they wanted. And the way they achieved that was by hiding Joe Biden for six
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months. And they, look, they had the perfect excuse with COVID. He can't go outside. I'm sorry. I can't
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do any rallies. Can't go on television. And why can't he go on television from his house? I don't
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understand. But you realize every time he was making speeches, he was messing up and he was
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hurting himself. They just did what they could. They called a lid every day at 11 o'clock and didn't
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let anyone see Joe. And it's like the best Joe Biden is the one you forget exists is really their
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pattern. And it was a probably a smart strategy in the end. You know, Trump, we saw that in the first
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debate with Trump where he was trying to be aggressive, aggressive, aggressive, aggressive.
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And what America needed to see was, hey, there's this other guy that you should not be sure about,
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you know? And I think you saw him improve that strategy in the second debate, but it may have
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been a little too late. And Democrats capitalized on the chaos that is already going on, the instability
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that we all feel from COVID, whether you're someone who takes it seriously or not, your life has been
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upended probably in one way or another, at least been interfered with by the bureaucrats making the
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regulations, allegedly due to COVID. And people really longed and still long for normalcy and
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stability. And I think that Joe Biden, even though you and I know that he isn't really the representation
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of that, he presented himself as that. And Donald Trump, I think, in that first debate, thought that
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people wanted the opposite of Joe Biden in the sense that they wanted someone who's going to be
00:22:32.400
aggressive and loud and boisterous. And I think most Americans were like, dude, I'm tired. I'm tired.
00:22:39.280
Like, a lot of people felt like Joe Biden did. Like, I feel like I can't even put, you know,
00:22:43.900
sentences together either. And so, yeah, I think that maybe Trump miscalculated that. But to your wife's
00:22:54.000
point, to Lisa's point about being surprised that this happened, I mean, to be fair, there is reason for
00:23:01.160
people to be skeptical about the election, even if it's just a feeling that they have based on things
00:23:07.800
that Democrats have done and said. I mean, you alluded to this. They have done absolutely everything
00:23:12.680
possible to try to discredit Donald Trump, even when he does something well. He has laid, or the
00:23:18.680
media has laid every single COVID death at his feet and hasn't, you know, criticized Governor Cuomo or
00:23:25.300
anyone else like that. Everything that he says becomes a scandal. The Pennsylvania AG before the
00:23:30.960
election said, if every vote is counted, Donald Trump is going to lose our state. I mean, we saw
00:23:36.800
that they would do a Russian collusion. They would do impeachment. We saw what they did with Kavanaugh.
00:23:42.240
They are willing to go to any length whatsoever to win. And so, for some people, they're like, well,
00:23:47.820
why, like, what exactly is the moral standard that would stop Democrats from cheating?
00:23:56.160
And so, I think a lot of people are thinking of it that way. And then also, they see the Biden rallies
00:24:00.300
that had, like, two people in their cars, like, waving their flag from a distance. And they see
00:24:05.960
Donald Trump with thousands and thousands of people. And so, you know, there is a reason for
00:24:12.080
people to be skeptical about this stuff. Oh, it feels weird. I mean, you know, one of the things
00:24:16.240
I think that's interesting about this election, and I don't think I can ever remember seeing it in my
00:24:21.540
lifetime, is there's always been a situation where the enthusiasm meant something, right? Enthusiasm
00:24:31.560
was always a meaningful thing. You'd look at Barack Obama in 2008, right? Barack Obama in 2008 is out
00:24:36.300
there. He's got these huge crowds. They're absolutely going crazy. And it meant something. It meant
00:24:41.280
something towards the result. 2016, Donald Trump, his polls, he was a little bit behind in the polls,
00:24:46.540
right? But people felt it. You watched the rallies. You saw people going crazy. And so,
00:24:53.580
we apply that sort of previous knowledge to this current situation. I think the thing that's a
00:24:58.780
little different here, and I think what we kind of forget is, one, there was part of that that was
00:25:06.100
a strategy by Democrats, right? Like, they could go pay a bunch of people to come and act
00:25:11.180
excited at the rallies that they really wanted a lot of people. They were trying to be the adults
00:25:15.500
in the room about COVID, right? So they were, and that was their excuse. The real thing was they
00:25:21.180
didn't want Joe Biden in front of people. But the bottom line is, they intentionally kind of avoided
00:25:25.040
the rallies. That's not to say that they would have been anything like Trump rallies. They wouldn't
00:25:29.240
have been. They would have been snore fests. And when they tried to do it, they weren't particularly
00:25:35.480
successful. But the passion, the enthusiasm here, the gap in enthusiasm was not between,
00:25:41.520
you can't compare Trump's enthusiasm to Biden. There is no comparison. But you can compare Trump's,
00:25:47.160
the enthusiasm for Trump against the enthusiasm against Trump. And they really hate this guy,
00:25:53.800
right? They will do anything. They sat there and lied on television about him for four straight years.
00:26:00.960
Uh, they did everything they could to unseat him. They gave away all journalistic standards to try
00:26:08.100
to sink this guy for four consecutive years. Um, and I think there were a lot of people who saw him as
00:26:15.140
Satan himself, right? And they really did come out. I mean, you saw like the, these, I made the joke
00:26:21.020
about they were burning cities to the ground over the sky. They really were. I mean, they were out there
00:26:25.860
rioting and, and, and so much of the George Floyd stuff and all of those riots. And at the time
00:26:31.680
was brought back to not even police, but Donald Trump himself, everything was Trump's fault.
00:26:37.380
So, so many in our society, and we know we see them all the time on Twitter and everything else
00:26:42.560
are, were maniacally crazy against this guy. They wanted him out. And so you really go back to,
00:26:49.800
there were tons of people who really supported him and saw what he was trying to do as something
00:26:54.720
good for the country. But you know, look, you, you face four straight years of constant media
00:27:00.200
pressure. Everyone kind of saying the same thing on television. You know, not everybody's here
00:27:04.840
listening to a podcast, a long form discussion, like we're doing here. A lot of people are watching,
00:27:09.280
you know, the Kardashians or whatever the, whatever the more updated reference is. I don't even know
00:27:13.960
if that show's on anymore, but like people don't live this, like maybe the people in your audience do.
00:27:18.780
Yeah. And, you know, they, they make, a lot of them make decisions based on kind of what their
00:27:23.560
friends think and who they're, what their peer group is thinking. And the pop culture thing,
00:27:29.000
all celebrities and all that stuff, we're all saying the same thing, that Donald Trump was the
00:27:32.180
worst person on earth. So I think when you, it doesn't feel that way. And I, and I, and people
00:27:37.340
kind of go, well, should I have questions about this election? I think that's totally understandable
00:27:44.020
And you should, like, you should ask questions. And like we were both saying, I think we support
00:27:49.880
the pursuit of the truth, even if it's not decisive. I want that kind of thing to be
00:27:54.180
uncovered. I want us to have the highest integrity in our elections, whether Democrats win or whether
00:28:00.540
Republicans win, just because I think that's important. And I thought at the very beginning
00:28:04.880
of the Russia investigation, when we didn't know very much, I thought the same thing. I said,
00:28:09.260
let's investigate. Of course, then as it went on, it was like, oh my gosh,
00:28:13.140
this is a lot of taxpayer dollars for a lot of nothing. But I thought the same thing. Okay,
00:28:18.560
my guy is getting investigated. I want to know if it's true. I want to know if the president of
00:28:22.720
the United States colluded with Russia to become the president. And I want to know this too.
00:28:30.180
It doesn't seem though that that kind of curiosity and desire for integrity is nonpartisan among a lot
00:28:38.420
Yeah. I don't think you're going to see any of the same questions being asked about Biden.
00:28:41.420
And then there are legitimate questions to be asked about Biden. And I'm kind of of the mindset
00:28:47.920
of like, let's look at the worst case scenario here. I'm kind of a very negative person. But
00:28:53.440
like I look at this and I say, if let's say Sidney Powell's lawsuits all come through and Trump goes
00:28:58.540
back into office, that's easy for us to adjust to. That's cake, right? Like, okay, Trump's in there
00:29:03.800
again. We've already had four years of that, four more years. Hey, our taxes are low for four more years.
00:29:08.460
That's going to be something I'm going to have no problem adjusting to. I don't want to let Joe
00:29:13.220
Biden walk into office in January if he winds up, if this stuff doesn't pan out with no criticism,
00:29:20.800
with no one looking at, he's just naming people to cabinet posts left and right. And, you know,
00:29:26.280
the conservative media largely is kind of just shrugging their shoulders and letting him do whatever
00:29:30.620
he wants as, you know, he marches towards Washington. And like, I feel like we have to guard
00:29:38.360
those things or there will be no scrutiny from the mainstream media. So I don't know. That's the
00:29:44.000
way I'm trying to look at it. It's like I would love, everyone would love the best case scenario,
00:29:48.540
but you got to plan for the worst. And we have to look at this and say, you know, they've got a week
00:29:52.900
left to try to prove this. And, you know, if it's true, I want it to be out there. But we have to look
00:29:58.460
at it and say, okay, well, let's focus on, let's look at that. We're not going to be able to change
00:30:03.580
that on social media. Let them do their jobs in court. They should have their right to do that.
00:30:07.560
And then we'll look at the other stuff as well. And that's how I feel. And a lot of people have
00:30:12.200
accused me and accused a lot of other people of giving up the fight, of not being a true patriot,
00:30:17.120
of not supporting Donald Trump. But I kind of feel like there's nothing I can do. I support them
00:30:22.720
in their pursuit of the truth. And I want the truth to come out. And if it's decisive,
00:30:26.840
that will come as a shock to me. That'll be amazing. I want Donald Trump to be president
00:30:30.760
for four more years. Of course I do. I think policy-wise, he has done a lot of good things.
00:30:35.360
And when I look at the threat of China, when I look at the people that Joe Biden has named
00:30:39.340
to cabinet positions, the swampiest of swampy people in the entire world, I'm like, oh my gosh,
00:30:44.680
do we really want John Kerry in charge of anything? So I want that. When I look at the threats
00:30:53.480
that we are facing, I think that Donald Trump is the man for the job. But I am not going to delude
00:31:01.080
myself into thinking that that has a high probability. And that doesn't mean that I don't
00:31:10.820
Well, I know that you don't. I know that you don't think I'm a patriot, but I want to make sure
00:31:14.820
everyone else knows that I am. Let's talk quickly about Georgia. We talked about Sidney Powell and the
00:31:21.300
Dominion Voting System and the accusations of widespread fraud. Now we are hearing both her
00:31:25.440
and Lin Wood. There was a rally earlier this week in Georgia saying, do not vote for Republicans in
00:31:32.020
these two special election Senate races until they guarantee, I guess, the Secretary of State in
00:31:39.260
Georgia and Governor Kemp, until they guarantee that we have integrity in our voting system, you need
00:31:45.440
to withhold your vote. And I've talked to people online that say, yeah, I'm going to teach Mitch McConnell
00:31:50.940
and the establishment a lesson. And it blows my mind. It blows my mind. What do you think about
00:31:56.320
that? Yeah, because I mean, I think the lesson that will be taught will be to us. Because if we,
00:32:01.660
if these, you know, even if it's completely because of corruption, right? If, you know,
00:32:08.900
Joe Biden is president, and these two seats go to the Democrats, they will have complete control
00:32:14.500
of the government, and they will be able to do all the extreme things that we worried about from the
00:32:17.980
very beginning. I think a lot of Republicans have come to this idea, oh, well, the election went
00:32:22.280
better than we thought in the House and in the Senate. Not necessarily the presidential race,
00:32:27.080
but at least there's going to be some way of stopping all the crazy, all the AOC from popping
00:32:32.040
out in everybody's mind. And the Democrats have gone to great lengths to try to convince Republicans
00:32:37.760
of this. For example, Joe Manchin has been on television every two days, who's probably the most
00:32:43.320
moderate of the Democrats from West Virginia saying, I won't let any of this happen. I'll tell
00:32:48.860
you right now, I'll vote against it. I will say, if they try to get in the filibuster or pack the
00:32:53.860
court or any of these things, I'm going to be the standing up against it. I, these darn Democrats,
00:32:57.800
and then AOC posts a picture of her frowning at Manchin. This is theater. It is theater designed
00:33:04.260
to convince people in Georgia that could go either way, that it's okay if you give Democrats control of
00:33:09.360
the entire Senate, because they won't do all these crazy things. Joe Manchin will be there for you.
00:33:13.600
Here's the truth. Joe Manchin will not be there for you. When they need his vote, he will vote with
00:33:18.860
the Democrats. When there's plenty of clearance, and it doesn't really matter how he votes, he'll
00:33:23.580
throw some votes to Republicans so he can seem like he's moderate. But we've seen this with all sorts
00:33:28.860
of different votes over the years. When they've needed his vote, he's always there for them.
00:33:34.500
And Republicans should legitimately be terrified of what happens if they don't get both of these
00:33:41.160
seats. And to an extent as well, even if they do get these seats, who are you, who are you
00:33:46.820
depending on? Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, Mitt Romney. These are not people who you could depend
00:33:53.640
on voting for conservative policies here. 52. And it's a very jello like 52. Yeah. If you win both
00:34:01.040
of them. Lin Wood, who was the guy making this case at the rally you're talking about, is a guy who has
00:34:07.160
voted for, campaigned for, and donated to Democrats his entire life.
00:34:13.680
Specifically the candidate that ran against Purdue last time.
00:34:16.540
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And when Obama could have had a super majority, he was there to donate to
00:34:24.140
Democrats. Purdue's opponent, he voted in the Stacey Abrams primary. Well, you know, people who support
00:34:30.660
Donald Trump generally didn't vote in the Stacey Abrams primary in Georgia. You know, it's awfully
00:34:36.220
convenient that Joe Manchin can come out and say, oh, I'm on the Republican side this one time. It's
00:34:41.700
awfully convenient that this lifelong Democrat is out there advising Republicans not to vote for
00:34:46.780
Republicans. Yeah. You know, we have to, again, I'm a worst case scenario guy here. We have to have
00:34:52.220
some way of stopping the worst impulses of the Democratic Party. Yeah. If Joe Biden is president,
00:35:00.300
if there's a Democratic Senate and a Democratic House, they're going to be able to do whatever they want.
00:35:05.320
And it's not Mitch McConnell who's going to learn a lesson there. He's going to have his nice job
00:35:10.520
and he's going to make all this money. He's going to have plenty of influence at all of his dinner
00:35:14.040
parties anyway. Right. It's us. We're the ones that are going to feel better. We're the ones that
00:35:17.480
are having our First and Second Amendment rights threatened, parental rights threatened when you're
00:35:21.820
looking at something like the Equality Act, that stuff. I mean, AOC has already said, look, I don't want
00:35:26.280
to lose because I don't want to compromise. I get it. From as a Republican, I feel the same way.
00:35:31.300
I don't want to compromise with you guys, with the radicals at least, either. And so I want to win.
00:35:37.780
But you're hearing the farthest left wing of the party saying, look, I'm not looking to compromise.
00:35:41.900
She's posting things about Joe Manchin like, you know, you better you better watch out. And so
00:35:47.220
they're not looking to compromise. They're not interested in in moderating to the, you know,
00:35:52.640
70 plus million people that voted for Donald Trump. And when you look at the Georgia Senate races,
00:35:59.540
it's Republicans' fault, by the way, that a Republican didn't beat Warnock. If you look at
00:36:04.640
Doug Collins plus Loeffler, they got 600,000 more votes than Warnock did. But because they
00:36:11.200
had the election the way that they did, you know, there wasn't obviously enough. We knew that was
00:36:17.620
going to go to a special election. But right now, Loeffler is down, you said before we started this
00:36:23.880
episode, seven points. Yeah, a new poll has Loeffler down seven points and has Perdue down two points.
00:36:28.780
Now, look, it's a poll. We all know the polls are not always it's one poll and they're not always
00:36:33.460
accurate. We know that. But there is real reason to be scared. I keep coming back to this imagery
00:36:38.180
where, like, you're standing on the edge of a cliff and you're balancing yourself on one foot
00:36:42.960
and Republicans are just convincing themselves, ah, the wind will probably come and blow us back onto
00:36:46.900
land. But what if it blows the other way? Yeah. I mean, this is a close election either way. We've seen
00:36:52.440
multiple close elections here. This is a national election. They're pouring a quarter of a billion
00:36:57.200
dollars into these races. Democrats want them. And there's a reason they want them. It's not
00:37:02.380
because they want to get some moderate changes through. They want them because they see an
00:37:06.400
opportunity to do real damage to the things that Republicans, conservatives hold dear.
00:37:13.020
And look, I mean, I'm not in Georgia. I'm not going to be voting in Georgia. But if I were,
00:37:17.300
I would not let a lifelong Democrat or another lifelong Democrat talk me out of voting for
00:37:24.840
Republicans here. Right. And I do actually think that Kemp and the Secretary of State
00:37:28.980
and the two Republican Senate candidates have supported the fight there and have said,
00:37:37.320
yeah, we want election integrity. We're going to do everything we can to make sure that this election
00:37:41.440
is conducted in a way that is honorable and honest. So a lot of people are saying, well,
00:37:48.520
the Georgia officials aren't doing anything. I actually think that they are doing something.
00:37:53.040
And to the people who are saying, well, what's the point of voting if we cheat? We're just going
00:37:57.100
to lose anyway. Well, one way to guarantee that you lose is not voting. That's a really good way to
00:38:01.760
guarantee that you lose. Yes, it is very. That will definitely be. I promise you, you will lose if no
00:38:08.560
one votes. You got to do it. And it is sometimes I think you get down these roads where you want to
00:38:15.240
send messages. You want to punish these officials. I mean, the Secretary of State has taken a beating
00:38:18.920
in Georgia as well as the governor. I mean, Loeffler and and Perdue have called for him to step down
00:38:26.100
the Secretary of State over all of this. I don't know what else they're they're they're going to
00:38:30.840
honestly do here. But the truth is, this is it's like when you're when your outcome aligns exactly
00:38:39.920
with Nancy Pelosi and what she wants and what AOC and what she wants, you're probably on the wrong
00:38:45.340
side as a conservative. Yeah. You know, and I think I think this we got to we can't let people
00:38:51.360
who have God only knows what their actual intent is. I will say, like, there's a lot of money flowing
00:38:56.400
around to some of these attorneys from outside groups. I would not be surprised if we find a lot
00:39:00.880
of the funding from this coming from left wing groups, not right wing groups in some of these
00:39:05.080
lawsuits, because, you know, right now we're at a situation where, you know, when the outcome is
00:39:11.020
that when you have thousands of Trump fans cheering for a democratic control of government, which is
00:39:17.380
what was being encouraged there, you have to their question marks have to pop up in your mind.
00:39:22.620
You got to vote your conscience and what you believe is right. If you think these people are really
00:39:26.120
that terrible, you got to vote the way you want to vote. But don't don't let the Democrats talk
00:39:30.800
you into doing it. Yeah. And I don't have time to play the clips that I wanted to play. But there
00:39:36.820
are a lot of hearings that are going on hearings in Pennsylvania and Arizona, in Michigan, where
00:39:41.880
people are they're purporting, you know, various evidences of of fraud, like a spike in Biden votes
00:39:50.140
in Pennsylvania. Mathematician Robert Pinion says that he wouldn't certify the Arizona election,
00:39:55.960
based on what he has seen. That's what he said in an Arizona hearing and a Michigan hearing. A poll
00:40:00.540
watcher claims that she couldn't see any ballots and wasn't allowed to get closer. And I think seeing
00:40:05.800
some of these hearings come out, a lot of people are hopeful that, OK, maybe maybe change is a
00:40:11.700
comment. Donald Trump, he released a 45 minute video saying, look, I need your support. So I guess my
00:40:20.640
question is, what's your prediction in in all of this? What's your message to people that are still
00:40:27.240
clinging to hope that things could turn around for Trump? Hope for the best, but prepare for the
00:40:32.680
worst. I think the the it's the percentage chance of this succeeding is low. The reason is because,
00:40:39.800
look, you're in a system that if the fraud is true, is likely to rule against you, right? It's hard to
00:40:48.760
imagine it goes another way than that. So I mean, I think, you know, I think preparing for the worst
00:40:54.220
is is a rational thing to do. You know, I think there's a lot of stuff. You remember, there's two
00:40:59.180
roads here. There's a lot of stuff that goes on social media. There's a lot of videos, a lot of like,
00:41:02.840
I don't understand why this line goes up this way. You know, I've been watching election results come
00:41:06.420
in for years. It's my it's a big part of my job. That happens every single election like that giant
00:41:12.020
chunks of votes come from cities that are 95 to 5 or 90 to 10 Democrat. It's not it's it's not
00:41:19.360
unnatural that that sort of stuff happens. That might be different than what they're talking about.
00:41:23.360
What you can, I think, sit back and take solace in a little bit is that these attorneys say they have
00:41:28.900
the evidence and they have promised us multiple times on the air they will be able to prove it in court by
00:41:34.240
the deadline. So there's very little for us to do here. We can sit back and watch it all happen,
00:41:39.780
try to understand it. But it's really going to be something that takes place in the courts.
00:41:44.720
And these attorneys, the ones that are on Donald Trump's payroll, the ones that are fighting in
00:41:49.820
Georgia, are people who know the legal system probably better than all of us. And they say they
00:41:55.800
can do it. We all we have to do is sit back and watch and see if they can. But we can do something
00:42:00.900
about the Georgia election that will at least alleviate the worst things that the outcome
00:42:05.820
could present. Yeah. And guys, if we lose Georgia, you can't say that it was rigged.
00:42:11.340
It's because people didn't go out and vote. And so, yeah, please vote. It's literally the the rights
00:42:18.560
of the entire nation are arresting on Georgia right now. And I think it's very short sighted to
00:42:23.480
listen to someone who has been a historic Democratic donor and not voting for the candidates,
00:42:31.200
one of whom he has donated to the opponent of a few years ago. And so please vote in Georgia.
00:42:39.540
There's a lot on the line. I'll be talking a lot more about that in the next month or so. As you said,
00:42:44.480
really, all we can do right now is see things unfold. If something by some miracle, by some
00:42:50.360
some unexpected turn of events, things did go in the way of Donald Trump. We are looking at
00:42:55.820
the greatest meltdown from the left and the media that we have ever, ever seen. I don't anticipate
00:43:02.940
that, but I think I'm just gonna I would hide in a bunker for at least a year. Oh, yeah. If that
00:43:08.320
happened. Yes. I just can't imagine. Preparation supplies will be flying off the shelves. Yes. My
00:43:13.120
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00:43:18.920
everyone where they can find you? Yeah, please. Stu Does America. It airs here on Blaze TV. I get
00:43:24.320
it on podcast as well. There's on YouTube. If you just search for Stu, I'll be the first channel
00:43:29.120
there. And yeah, not a lot of people searching for Stu. I don't know if that's true. And on Twitter
00:43:34.920
at Stu Does America. OK, awesome. Thank you so much for taking the time. Thank you.