Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 339 ｜ The Price of Losing Georgia & Christian Nationalism

00:00:00.000 hey guys welcome to relatable happy wednesday hope everyone has had a wonderful week so far

00:00:14.880 okay so today i'm going to try a little bit of a new format kind of kind it's like a rough draft

00:00:22.700 of a new format that i'm going to be trying in the new year we have a really exciting announcement

00:00:28.700 coming for the show for the new year that you guys are really going to like but i'm not going to

00:00:33.220 announce it quite yet but part of what i am going to practice for that announcement is kind of a new

00:00:39.200 format for the show so what i think that i am going to do in the future and you guys can give me

00:00:44.420 feedback over the next couple weeks and tell me what you think about this i think i'm going to go

00:00:48.520 with three segments of the show so i'm going to make it a little bit more structured every show

00:00:52.540 we'll have one segment that covers a political topic or story or set of stories that falls under

00:00:59.300 one political topic same thing with culture same thing with theological i might split them up like

00:01:05.640 10 minutes each or maybe i'll dedicate a little bit more time to one particular subject and less time to

00:01:10.820 another subject but i think i am going to try to cover those three subjects in every episode and

00:01:17.480 rather than dedicating every week an entire episode to a long interview which i know you guys

00:01:25.160 really like those always perform well and the guests are always really fascinating so we'll probably do

00:01:30.000 that every now and then i might actually use shorter interviews as segments to cover a particular topic

00:01:36.700 or a particular story that we're covering so a little bit more variety within the show but the same

00:01:41.760 structure every day and it's always it's going to be the same show i mean we're always going to try

00:01:47.160 to go back as vigilantly as we can to that biblical worldview and to discuss the why behind what

00:01:52.820 we're talking about so i'm interested to know what you guys think about that um and if you guys think

00:02:00.180 that you're going to look forward to that right now we what we've kind of done is we have started

00:02:04.940 with on monday we used to do like a theological topic on wednesday we'll talk about the news and then

00:02:10.320 on friday an interview that kind of changed when the election came around because uh we were doing

00:02:15.640 election topics on monday and then the news on wednesday and then the interviews on friday and

00:02:20.300 it's kind of just been um changing a little bit every week and so i'm going to try to stick with

00:02:26.660 that structure every time on the show and you guys can let me know what you think about it and we'll

00:02:32.660 probably start doing that in january and you guys can give me feedback i do listen to your feedback

00:02:37.520 when i see something or when someone emails me or messages me and say and says i really miss you doing

00:02:43.300 this on the show where i really miss this format i do take that into account now i can't listen to

00:02:48.160 every single i can't apply every single benefit feedback that i get because you know people are

00:02:53.900 different there's a lot of people thankfully in this audience and you all have different opinions but

00:02:58.340 you guys are my essentially my executive producers and i do want to make this show what is best for you

00:03:07.260 as best for as many people as i can anyway and so uh give me your constructive critiques and your

00:03:14.800 feedback about the format once we get started on that today i'm going to kind of play around like i

00:03:19.820 said do a rough draft version of that where i'm going to talk about three subjects if i if i have time

00:03:27.140 and typically i'm going to try to really keep our episodes 30 to 40 minutes i have had a hard time

00:03:32.820 doing that lately number one i'm just a verbose person i uh am an external processor and so as

00:03:40.360 i'm explaining something i am thinking through it and it's you know it's coming together for me and

00:03:46.140 i'm explaining that to you and i think that's really helpful to a lot of you because you're the

00:03:49.600 same way but i'm going to try to make some explanations a little bit more concise than i have

00:03:55.960 in the past to try to fit in everything that i want to talk about today i don't know if i'm going

00:04:00.160 to be able to accomplish that but in the future starting next year i do want to accomplish that so

00:04:05.320 today what i want to talk about the three subjects that i want to talk about that i'm going to try

00:04:10.280 to talk about all today is one the georgia election which is coming up on tuesday january 5th some of the

00:04:16.340 things that are on the line there we're going to get into the specifics of a particular bill that i

00:04:20.760 think that we should be really looking out for and a big reason why i think conservatives need to vote

00:04:25.120 in georgia to secure the majority in the senate um and then i want to talk about the death penalty

00:04:30.780 and so i really wanted to talk about this on monday but i had already recorded monday's episode

00:04:34.840 the week before and so and we didn't talk about the death penalty on instagram until the end of last

00:04:40.660 week and so i wasn't able to talk about that on monday but i want to talk about that today if i have

00:04:45.780 time if i don't have time to talk about that i promise i will talk about that thoroughly soon

00:04:50.160 because i have a lot a lot a lot to say about that but i definitely want to get to beth moore's

00:04:56.120 viral twitter thread about so-called christian nationalism and the dangers of trumpism and some

00:05:01.760 of my thoughts on that so i'll definitely talk about georgia and beth moore if i have time in

00:05:07.660 between those two things i'm going to talk about uh the theological implications of the death penalty

00:05:14.160 and the the biblical view of that and some of the disagreements that christians have uh but let's

00:05:20.220 start with politics let's start with the georgia election like i said this special election is

00:05:26.680 happening on january 5th early voting begins monday december 14th so that just started you can go ahead

00:05:34.280 and vote uh registration deadline for voters was december 7th and so if you didn't register to vote in

00:05:40.300 georgia you're not going to be able to register now same day registration in georgia for this is is

00:05:44.980 not available absentee mail-in voting ballots must be received by tuesday january 5th uh currently

00:05:53.420 democrats in the senate have 48 seats the gop has 50 seats so this means that republicans need at least

00:06:02.220 one of these georgia seats to maintain the majority in the senate you know that uh democrats have the

00:06:08.180 majority in the house a slimmer majority than they would like but they do have the majority in the

00:06:11.880 house it's looking like joe biden um as a democrat has the white house and so our really only balance

00:06:19.700 at least within these two branches of government is with the is with the senate so in the senate most

00:06:26.760 of you know but just in case you don't there are 100 senate seats if democrats win both georgia senate

00:06:32.660 seats it will be 50 50 but but the reason they really want these two seats is because even though

00:06:38.880 it looks like it'll be 50 50 they really have a majority because democrats are going to be it looks

00:06:44.560 like in the white house so that uh makes democrats the senate majority because the vice president

00:06:49.560 functions as the president of the senate and serves as the tie-breaking vote so that would be

00:06:55.080 kamala harris um so if democrats win both seats in georgia dems have the majority in the house

00:07:01.020 they've got the majority in the senate and if everything moves forward like it looks like

00:07:05.000 it's going to democrats will also control the white house which means virtually everything

00:07:09.360 that democrats have wanted to pass will get passed republicans only need one of these seats

00:07:17.480 only needs one of these seats in georgia uh to keep the majority uh in the senate and of course we

00:07:24.900 like to win both seats but they really just need uh just need one seat democrats need both of these

00:07:32.180 seats so we're going to talk about some of the consequences of democrats controlling these two

00:07:38.120 branches of government what this would look like what's on the line what are some of the bills that

00:07:42.140 they've promised to pass the biggest one i think and the one that i want to spend a lot of time on

00:07:47.060 is the equality act because joe biden said that's going to be his first order of business to ensure

00:07:53.020 the equality act gets passed which it will pass if democrats win these two seats in georgia and they

00:07:59.220 take the majority in the senate and i know some of you have a lot of intact uh election integrity

00:08:04.520 concerns and i will get to some of those because i do understand i do understand but first we're going

00:08:10.580 to talk about what's on the line and specifically zero in on this particular bill the equality act i did

00:08:16.440 an entire episode dedicated to this um a little over a year probably a year and a half ago now

00:08:22.760 when it was uh first being passed in the house and i just want to reiterate because a lot of you

00:08:28.560 didn't you maybe didn't you uh you probably didn't listen to that episode sorry i got tongue tied for a

00:08:34.200 second uh or you just don't remember so this will serve as a good refresher to those of you who need

00:08:39.640 your memory jogged on what this is so the equality act as i said biden said that this is a high priority

00:08:46.820 uh for him to get passed it passed the house last year as hb5 so if you want to look at the text of

00:08:54.820 the bill yourself you can type in on google or duck.go that's what i use hb5 equality act text it will

00:09:02.280 come up and at a dot gov address and uh under the the congress's website and you'll be able to read

00:09:11.200 uh the bill for yourself so fact check me like if at any point you're like no ali is exaggerating

00:09:16.780 that's not really true you should read the text of the bill yourself now i'll tell you that purposely

00:09:22.460 legislation oftentimes both on the right and the left they use language that is intentionally vague

00:09:27.820 to where a lot of times you actually have to get some kind of constitutional scholar or legal scholar

00:09:32.320 or some kind of insider in this legislation to tell you what this really means but please read

00:09:40.660 the text to yourself i want you to do your own research on this so according to national review

00:09:46.920 which is a conservative outlet but i think is extremely trustworthy especially when it comes to

00:09:51.660 breaking down legislation here is what the equality act does the sweeping legislation would amend the

00:09:58.220 civil rights act of 1964 to include sexual orientation and gender identity as protected

00:10:03.740 characteristics but it goes further than that under the guise of anti-discrimination protections the

00:10:09.320 bill redefines sex to include gender identity undermines religious freedom gives males who identify as

00:10:14.960 females the right to women's spaces and sets a dangerous political precedent for the medicalization of

00:10:20.520 gender confused youth so redefining the civil rights act of 1964 and redefining

00:10:28.080 biological sex is actually something that you identify as something that you declare rather than a

00:10:35.360 scientific reality this has really big implications so what this means and this is the exact purpose of the

00:10:43.880 bill is to ensure that no institution or organization private or public religious or secular can deny

00:10:52.220 biological boys uh into can deny their entrance into women's spaces if that boy or if that man identifies as a

00:11:01.740 girl and vice versa biological girl who says that she is a boy can use men's spaces under this law so this

00:11:09.060 includes but is not limited to bathrooms locker rooms sports teams women's shelters prisons and this obviously has

00:11:18.380 bigger consequences for girls and it does bigger consequences for girls and women for boys and men for the

00:11:23.800 simple reason that progressives want to deny that men and women are biologically different men in general uh are bigger

00:11:33.100 than women they're stronger than women they can overpower women so biological men and i hate that we even have to

00:11:39.500 specify with that adjective biological men in women's spaces and on the athletic field uh can pose a physical

00:11:47.420 threat especially in prisons or especially in women's shelters they can pose a physical threat to women that

00:11:52.740 biological women cannot pose and do not pose to men because of the very thing that um these progressives

00:12:01.820 want to assert does not exist which is science it also means uh that a religious institution so a religious

00:12:08.960 non-profit a private religious school probably could not refuse to hire or fire someone who for example

00:12:15.900 comes out as gay or transgender there may be legal recourse for something like this but this is what

00:12:23.440 this bill aims to do and i know that some of you might hear that and you might be thinking well that's a

00:12:28.500 good thing i don't think that you should be able to discriminate against people based on their sexual

00:12:32.320 orientation or their so-called gender identity but let me have you take a step back for a second

00:12:38.720 because the question when it comes to a law is not whether or not you agree with the thing that

00:12:46.580 it might be prohibiting or forcing you have to ask yourself what freedom it is restricting and how that

00:12:53.280 could be applied across the board so just because a law passes that i might agree with what it is trying

00:13:01.700 to get done or i might agree with the outcome that it says that it is trying to achieve doesn't mean

00:13:08.060 that it's necessarily a good law just because i think something is good and that people should do

00:13:12.760 something doesn't mean that i want it to be forced legally so i think that everyone should pray i think

00:13:18.920 praying is a great thing but i would not support a law that forces people to pray like if there was a law

00:13:25.360 that was written by a republican legislator that says you have to pray every morning when you wake up or

00:13:30.860 like you have to read your bible or you have to go to church i think all of these are wonderful

00:13:34.920 things i think people should pray should read their bible should go to church but i would not support a

00:13:40.340 law that forces people to do those things and so because that restricts people's religious freedom

00:13:45.840 that restricts freedom of conscious conscience that violates people's first amendment rights and so

00:13:52.940 in the same way i think actually progressives have a much harder time kind of understanding that you can

00:13:59.100 disagree with the principle of a law even if you agree with the outcome that it's trying to produce

00:14:04.240 um you have to understand that this law is restricting the freedom of religious schools to operate in a way

00:14:11.900 that is in line with their beliefs even if you believe that they shouldn't discriminate or that uh

00:14:17.700 they shouldn't refuse to hire someone based on their sexual orientation or their gender identity

00:14:22.100 the question is do you agree with limiting the religious freedom of private religious institutions

00:14:28.460 because this law would say for example that a muslim school has to is forced to legally uh go against

00:14:37.280 their beliefs in hiring a teacher who does not hold to the tenets of their faith one of which is

00:14:42.080 heterosexuality the same thing goes for a christian school or a catholic school or a conservative jewish

00:14:49.300 school who hold the same belief under this law so this is the government saying you cannot actually

00:14:54.500 practice your religious belief that god created the gender binary as male and female and that marriage

00:15:00.180 must be between a man and a woman beliefs that people around the world by the way have held for millennia

00:15:05.600 when it comes to operating your private organization you don't have the freedom to hire and fire who you want

00:15:12.440 to when it comes to this so that gives the power of the state uh to begin to regulate it gives the power

00:15:20.460 to the states to begin to regulate all religious activity to align with its own secular views this is

00:15:27.400 the starting point at least of that you could argue it's even beyond the starting point but that's

00:15:32.080 certainly what it is trying to do to make sure it has all-encompassing power to regulate these private

00:15:37.840 religious institutions uh all teachers would be forced uh if you look through the implications

00:15:43.920 of the legislation uh to use preferred gender pronouns which means according to a christian

00:15:49.980 doctrine that you would be forced to bear false witness to lie because you would be affirming an

00:15:56.020 identity this that does not conform to what we believe is a god-given biological reality in male and

00:16:03.420 female we talked about this a couple weeks ago uh the or maybe it was last monday the biblical telos

00:16:10.200 of gender we did an entire episode on why gender exists why god created it and what scripture tells us

00:16:17.400 to believe about it and what we should do with what scripture tells us to believe about it if you think

00:16:23.780 that all of this is not an intentional step towards regulating speech that comes from the pulpit or what's

00:16:31.620 taught in the classroom of private schools or what parents can teach their children like if you still

00:16:36.320 after learning about this bill think that people warning about the real tangible dangers of

00:16:41.660 progressivism that it's just a slippery slope fallacy that it's just fear-mongering then i posit that

00:16:47.580 you might have your head in the sand and that you are avoiding facing a threat that is knocking on your

00:16:53.400 door because you don't want to recognize its dangers you don't want to realize that it exists because

00:16:59.020 maybe it causes some discomfort but the fact of the matter is is that it's coming for you like a

00:17:05.440 freight train that's what progressivism does it goes it goes i won't even say forward but it goes in a

00:17:10.460 particular direction without even knowing what the end point is and it doesn't matter who it takes out

00:17:16.840 in its wake this bill also regulates religious adoption agencies by threatening the removal of federal

00:17:23.220 federal funding if they operate under the traditional marriage ethic which means that if they lose this

00:17:29.140 federal funding they might shut down the kids uh they were taking care of would be you guessed it released

00:17:35.280 to the state um it forces foster parents to affirm a child's so-called a child's child uh their so-called

00:17:42.880 gender identity barring them from affirming the goodness of a child's biological reality so if you want to

00:17:49.300 foster a child you have to give in to the secular sexual revolution even in your words i don't see

00:17:55.660 how that's not a violation of the first amendment of the free speech clause of the first amendment but

00:18:01.900 they are making hard they are making it harder for christians to be a part of the adoption process in a

00:18:08.240 way that actually aligns with what we believe biblically schools are encouraged to circumvent parental

00:18:15.220 involvement if they are deemed not quote affirming of their child's newfound sexuality or identity i mean

00:18:21.580 we're talking about your children your children that the public schools which they're really invented to do

00:18:28.520 this uh and have been used for this cause to circumvent the authority and the influence of the of the parent to

00:18:36.840 impose the values of the state the bill denies a parent's right to be involved in their minor child's medical care

00:18:43.760 specifically when it comes to puberty blockers and chemical castration of gender confused minors

00:18:48.900 this already happens in a variety of states by the way that a minor can go to planned parenthood for

00:18:54.220 example uh a girl can go to planned parenthood at say 14 15 years old say you know i decided that i

00:19:00.460 actually identify as a boy and planned parenthood has to give them or another clinic has to give them

00:19:06.080 puberty blocking hormone treatment whether or not their parents know about it so this is already

00:19:11.360 happening in some states on the state level this is ensuring that it has to happen on a federal level

00:19:16.880 this equality act uh so it denies a parent's right to be involved in their minor child's medical care

00:19:23.140 specifically when it comes to so-called gender reassignment um and it makes it more difficult

00:19:29.220 for doctors regardless of conscientious or conscious or religious objections or medical judgment

00:19:36.700 to perform so-called gender reassignment surgery um so it makes it more difficult for them to deny

00:19:44.660 do or refuse to do gender reassignment surgery or prescribe cross-sex hormones for children even if

00:19:53.280 they have personal objections to it or professional objections to it this bill takes steps to eventually

00:19:59.940 ban any form of counseling that helps assuage uh the discomfort of gender dysphoria by helping children

00:20:07.320 and adults accept their bodies uh that's what counseling seeks to do sometimes you hear about

00:20:12.440 scary conversion therapy which is not something that actually goes on yes there's christian counseling

00:20:18.500 that does encourage young people and people in general uh many of whom do not want to feel this kind

00:20:25.180 of discomfort in their body i would say most of whom do not want to feel this kind of discomfort in

00:20:28.780 their body help them learn to accept their physical reality uh if you read love thy body with us you

00:20:35.300 might uh you might remember that uh the secular worldview says that we have to change our bodies

00:20:41.060 to to fit our feelings but the biblical worldview says that no we we conform our feelings and we conform

00:20:47.840 our minds to our biological reality and that actually creates a healthier and a more holistic view of the

00:20:56.020 body and the view of the whole person than secular gender ideology does and so when you hear these

00:21:02.940 fear-mongering terms like conversion therapy all they're saying is that they're against any kind of

00:21:08.300 counseling that affirms biological reality and what we learned from abigail schreier who wrote the book

00:21:15.100 uh who wrote the book irreversible damage about the social contagion of transgenderism among young girls

00:21:21.980 and how there are no obstacles no barriers whatsoever when it comes to psychology and when it comes

00:21:27.760 to medicine that are trying to that's trying to protect girls from making hasty decisions about their

00:21:33.300 bodies that are irreversible that are causing this title of her book irreversible damage because

00:21:40.700 medicine now when it comes to transgenderism is so politicized that no one can say hey is there

00:21:47.120 something else going going on here is there something psychological going on here other than gender

00:21:52.440 dysphoria that is causing you to make these decisions we're not allowed to ask any of those questions we're

00:21:57.560 just supposed to accept that a 13 year old child for example decides that she wants to be a boy and she

00:22:03.920 apparently according to this bill should be able to go to the doctor planned parenthood get hormone blockers

00:22:10.360 um potentially get uh surgery a double mastectomy uh to completely change her body that should be her

00:22:18.700 decision her decision alone parents shouldn't be able to say anything about it doctors shouldn't be able

00:22:23.560 to say anything about it i mean we are taking away all reasonable boundaries to these life-changing

00:22:32.220 decisions uh made by kids whose frontal lobes won't be developed for another 10 years and people

00:22:40.360 are saying this is good that this is good for our youth that this is moral this is right where

00:22:47.000 it's a violation of parental rights it's a violation of religious liberty it's a violation of free speech

00:22:52.720 in some ways um all public schools would be forced to incorporate probably through this incorporate new

00:23:00.940 sex ed curriculum which includes at the elementary school age you've seen some of this stuff that's

00:23:05.820 happening in california it's trying to be uh passed in texas uh a sex education that is endorsed by

00:23:11.800 planned parenthood and who and all these left-wing organizations uh discussion about gender fluidity

00:23:18.260 while they're in elementary school different forms of sexuality masturbation i mean graphic stuff in the

00:23:24.580 sex ed curriculum that is just uh completely inappropriate for kids to for kids to be learning about

00:23:31.820 from anyone but their parents by the way again this is not the state's role but this equality act is

00:23:37.860 seeking to transfer as much power as possible from families from the parent from churches to the state

00:23:44.060 in the name of the sexual revolution in the name of equality and of course you're going to be hearing

00:23:48.560 from every left-wing outlet that these are uh that this is a great bill for equality and for for love

00:23:56.520 and for inclusion no it's not no it's not it's very dangerous bill it's a dangerous bill to liberty

00:24:01.600 it's a dangerous bill for kids um it doesn't consider any kind any kind of actual science or morality

00:24:10.100 or reason uh douglas laycock is a liberal professor at the university of virginia he's a long-time advocate

00:24:18.100 of gay rights and he explained to national review why he does not support the equality act uh he said this

00:24:24.740 to national review it goes very far to stamp out religious exemptions laycock tells national review

00:24:29.680 in an email it regulates religious non-profits and then it says the religious freedom restoration act

00:24:34.680 does not apply to any claim under the equality act this would be the first time congress has limited

00:24:39.380 the reach of rfra this is not a good faith attempt to reconcile competing interests it is an attempt by

00:24:46.300 one side to grab all the disputed territory and to crush the other side this is a real bill that has

00:24:53.000 really passed the democratic controlled house that is approved by virtually every democrat in congress

00:24:58.960 that is explicitly supported by joe biden and kamala harris and that will pass the senate and be signed

00:25:04.920 into law if democrats bit a win both seats in georgia we're talking about the forced laying down

00:25:11.660 of free speech religious liberty and parental rights on the altar of the progressive sexual revolution

00:25:16.680 you can read it all it's in the bill uh so for people who are saying uh the crowd that just maddens me

00:25:25.820 the evangelical christians in particular who say that oh progressivism isn't a threat what are you

00:25:31.480 talking about it's just a mirage joe biden presidency will be fine it's not that big of a deal the real

00:25:36.820 threat um is conservatism that's that's the real that's the real threat progressive it's not you know

00:25:43.740 communism it's it's not it's not coming i mean it has really no effect these people who act like

00:25:50.160 we're just all blowing it out of proportion the dangers of leftism and progressivism pastor it's

00:25:55.580 here it's here it's knocking on the door of your church about to tell you what you can and can't say

00:26:00.020 who you can and can't hire parent it's here it's at your kid's school it's coming into your home

00:26:05.400 adoption agency it's here church it's here christian it's here counselor it's here

00:26:11.020 like it's not far off in the distance it's not on the horizon anymore it's here in this

00:26:16.180 legislation that will pass that will pass it'll probably pass eventually no matter what but it'll

00:26:22.300 definitely pass now if democrats take this in it read the bill yourself fact check me i invite you

00:26:29.280 to and through this we also see how important the supreme court and the federal judges are

00:26:33.860 because a lot of this stuff is going to be litigated a lot of this stuff is going to cause

00:26:38.200 lawsuits the fact that constitutionalists thanks to trump hold a 5-4 majority on the supreme court

00:26:43.900 not 6-3 roberts is not a conservative a 5-4 majority on the supreme court is a great comfort

00:26:49.940 when we consider the lawsuits that are coming because of this and that would not have happened

00:26:55.640 these federal uh these federal judges being appointed and confirmed including the supreme court

00:27:01.380 justices would not have happened without a senate majority without mitch mcconnell um so the other

00:27:07.020 thing that we'll see with dims controlling congress in the white house is the nomination and the

00:27:12.020 confirmation of left-wing activist judges that will make decisions that are always no matter what the

00:27:17.880 constitution says right in line with the latest democratic dogma democrats are never disappointed in

00:27:23.320 their judges decisions unlike republicans because the the judicial the judicial perspective of left-wing

00:27:31.820 judges is activism so they always line up with whatever the latest line of the democratic party

00:27:36.880 is whereas conservative judges look at the text and they try to uh interpret the law according to the

00:27:44.000 original meaning of the constitution which means there's there's going to be disagreements between

00:27:48.500 republicans and the judges and justices that are nominated by uh republicans dem nominated judges or

00:27:55.080 ideologues and so they always agree that is not necessarily true of those conservative justices

00:28:00.780 uh the only check that we have got on this is the supreme court but democrats have also said that

00:28:07.060 they will pack the supreme court so that doesn't just mean nominating justices or judges that you

00:28:12.500 uh like that's not what packing means packing means expanding the court adding seats to the court and then

00:28:18.280 filling those seats with judges that you like and so they would like to add four seats to the supreme

00:28:23.380 court to make 13 justices and then fill those vacant seats uh with left-wing justices so they have a

00:28:30.700 majority they could accomplish this by doing the other thing that they've promised to do if they

00:28:34.720 take the senate which is in the filibuster the filibuster prevents extreme legislation like packing

00:28:40.640 the court from being passed with a simple uh with a simple majority so that would mean if they are

00:28:47.680 able to accomplish that so if they take the senate if they are then able to pack the court that would

00:28:51.640 mean the democrats control all three branches of government and everything that they want to get passed

00:28:57.260 they will get passed without compromise it doesn't matter what you want or even what the majority of

00:29:01.640 america wants the constitution at that point will be moot they've made clear the constitution is a

00:29:05.900 hindrance to their agenda to progressivism so they'd be able to ignore it and no one would really be able

00:29:11.220 to stop them hyde amendment overturned which most of you guys know uh the hyde amendment protects your

00:29:17.840 federal tax dollars from directly funding abortion they want to overturn the hyde amendment so your

00:29:22.620 federal tax dollars would be directly uh funding paying for abortion procedures the green new deal

00:29:29.180 would probably get passed gun confiscation programs passed that's a promise of joe biden's

00:29:34.460 administration you can read that on his website the mandatory gun buyback programs equality act

00:29:39.260 passed single-payer health care which we did a whole episode on probably passed that means that you

00:29:44.640 don't get uh your private health care coverage anymore religious liberty done taxes skyrocket

00:29:51.140 i wish i were exaggerating this i wish i were making this up but i'm just looking at the policies

00:29:55.920 that that they're proposing i'm just looking at the legislation that's coming down the pipeline i'm

00:30:00.100 just looking at the the the promises that they made in their campaigns yes there's always a chance

00:30:05.960 that these bills don't go through but nothing's stopping them except for maybe some moderate democrats

00:30:10.660 maybe and you may be thinking well they're not going to go full-on radical for the next couple

00:30:15.780 years they're not going to try to pass all of their pet issues and pet bills because they'll just

00:30:20.800 get voted out in the midterms if they do that well i guarantee you they have already thought of that

00:30:26.700 and they are promising according to the atlantic to quote fundamentally change how voting works in

00:30:31.800 the united states that is one of the first things they plan to do they're going to say that it's

00:30:36.100 expanding voting rights they're going to say that they're making it more equitable and fair the reality

00:30:40.460 is is that they are going to make it harder for them to lose they have also touted the idea of

00:30:45.500 abolishing the electoral college which would mean that the red states the less populate states get

00:30:50.740 no say whatsoever in presidential elections there's a reason for the electoral college anyone who says

00:30:56.240 that there's not that it's racist that it's wrong doesn't understand why the electoral college

00:31:00.400 was founded by the founders so all of this is resting on georgia we've got rafael warnock who is a

00:31:09.160 far left pro-abortion self-professing pastor in august he argued that abortion intentionally killing

00:31:16.440 defenseless babies in the womb is consistent with biblical values he's endorsed by planned parenthood

00:31:23.000 something he's very proud of who donated 220 000 to his campaign he is a supporter of pastor jeremiah

00:31:29.420 rights just like obama was and is who made that infamous uh sermon that said not god bless america but god

00:31:38.820 uh bleep america he argued uh warnock that you can't serve in the military and follow god his

00:31:45.880 opponent kelly loffler responded to that particular line of reasoning in a debate a couple weeks ago

00:31:51.580 she said i'm not going to be lectured by someone that uses the bible to justify abortion or to attack

00:31:57.580 our men and women in the military you know what's happening here is someone who will not uh who will not

00:32:03.100 own up to their own record of division he has called on americans to repent for their worship of

00:32:08.100 whiteness that's divisive that's hurtful he didn't do that he celebrated jeremiah right an anti-semite

00:32:13.740 jeremiah right is an anti-semite uh he's actually called israel in an apartheid state that is wrong

00:32:19.580 for america and i'm going to continue to make sure georgians understand that this that that is him in

00:32:24.760 his own words she's right she's absolutely right uh so you've got a pro-abortion far-left democrat who

00:32:32.200 will do everything he can to bring those far-left bills across the finish line or pro-life

00:32:36.760 conservative in kelly loffler uh then you've got john ossoff and you've got david purdue with the

00:32:42.400 same story ossoff will be a vehicle for progressive policies and purdue will be a vote for conservative

00:32:47.540 ones you don't have to like every single thing about either one of these candidates you know i i have

00:32:54.040 my own i have my own issues with a variety of republicans that i would love to change about them

00:32:59.300 um you don't have to agree with every single thing that they think say or do to understand

00:33:05.040 the consequence of this election and that voting for them is what protects conservative values now

00:33:10.300 if you're a liberal i don't expect some people hate listen to my podcast or some people you might be

00:33:15.920 really open-minded you want to hear the conservative perspective if you're a liberal i don't expect you to

00:33:19.740 want to vote for them and i'm not necessarily trying to convince you to but if you're a conservative

00:33:23.540 who cares about the constitution and your liberties then absolutely you want to go out and vote for

00:33:29.720 these two republican candidates and you know at least uh part of what is on the line here there's

00:33:35.720 also the the possibility of dc statehood that they want to make dc a state um democrats do and of course

00:33:44.420 because it is so heavily blue and they want to be able to give they want to be able to take those two

00:33:50.200 senators from dc so it's all a power grab but the fact of the matter is is the capital is not supposed

00:33:56.060 to be its own state it's supposed to belong to everyone um that is the the point of our capital

00:34:02.740 but of course they're trying to make it a partisan power grab by giving dc to senators that is uh that's

00:34:09.920 the what what everything is about is more power and ensuring that republicans don't have any power

00:34:15.980 that conservatives don't have any real voice in their government um now i know that there are very

00:34:22.860 real concerns among georgia republicans about the voting process and a lot of those concerns are

00:34:28.620 justified i get it i am very close to a lot of people that are working um in this election to ensure

00:34:36.520 election uh integrity and i'm not talking about the activists that are holding these rallies and the

00:34:42.560 stop this deal so i'm not talking about those people i'm talking about real georgians who are

00:34:47.000 conservative who are republicans who just want to make sure that the signatures are verified um and

00:34:52.780 make sure that this election process is is honorable and honest as it possibly can be i i can't guarantee

00:34:59.320 you uh what's going to happen or what the other side is going to do i'm not even getting into all of

00:35:05.540 that i'm just telling you that i know for a fact that there are conservatives that are working hard

00:35:10.460 to make sure that this is a free and fair election um so understand that your concerns are not just

00:35:17.440 being ignored they're not just being brushed to the side it might seem like no one is doing anything

00:35:21.080 there are people behind the scenes uh working really hard to make sure that this is a fair election

00:35:27.340 uh you aren't teaching establishment republicans a lesson in not voting if that's if you're thinking

00:35:35.020 oh well i'm just not going to vote because i'm going to teach them uh i'm going to teach them a lesson

00:35:39.060 they don't i mean mitch mcconnell he's still got a job like you're not teaching anyone a lesson

00:35:44.200 you're just willingly giving up the constitutional rights of people who are depending on you to vote

00:35:50.820 in a way that protects those now there's only so much you can do i understand you might feel like

00:35:56.040 it's you're out of control and that uh the the leaders there in georgia aren't listening to your

00:36:01.820 concerns but you've got to at least fight like you've got to at least show up you've got to at least

00:36:07.500 vote don't just hand it to them like i don't know what the process is going to look like but you

00:36:12.120 can't just hand it to them uh doug collins and kelly and um and leffler they uh got 600 000 more

00:36:20.280 votes than warnock in the original uh in the original election purdue got more votes than ossoff

00:36:26.980 but never reached the 50 necessary to actually claim victory so that means if every republican that

00:36:32.840 showed up in november votes in january and maybe some more we will win both seats but you can't

00:36:39.600 stay home you can't stay home i understand your concerns i do and i promise you they're not being

00:36:45.060 ignored i am i'm checking in on this stuff this is being checked out there are people who are vigilant

00:36:51.140 about this and who are pushing for election integrity for a free and fair and equal uh election

00:36:58.900 okay so just understand that people are fighting for that but you've got to do your part by voting

00:37:04.140 there's a lot on the line okay i've got one other subject that i think i have time for as i suspected

00:37:12.980 i talked a lot about that um and so i'm already like almost 40 minutes in so i don't have time to

00:37:19.400 talk about the death penalty and beth morin if you were all here in front of me as a studio audience i

00:37:23.640 would ask you to please raise your hands and ask you what i what you want me to talk about so i'm

00:37:29.680 gonna talk but i'm gonna talk about beth morin so i'm gonna pretend like you all raised your hands for

00:37:33.420 the beth morin tweet i'm going to talk about the death penalty but i feel like that's also a little

00:37:39.020 bit of an evergreen topic and so i could talk about it at any point it's really important i shared a lot

00:37:44.400 of my thoughts on it on um on instagram and i really do want to get into it because i've also just

00:37:51.040 been reading so much about it like my husband can tell you that i stayed up um until like 1 a.m the

00:37:57.680 day that all of this was happening and people were talking so much on social media about the death

00:38:02.100 penalty reading an ethics book and reading both sides i i understand fully understand as well as i

00:38:09.640 can anyway i'm not saying that i know everything as well as i can the arguments for and against the

00:38:14.380 death penalty both the biblical arguments for and against the death penalty and uh also the the

00:38:20.820 secular just the pragmatic arguments for and against the death penalty and so i will give you

00:38:28.160 that perspective but first i want to talk about this viral beth morin twitter thread before i get

00:38:34.060 into that however i have to take a quick ad break

00:38:37.040 okay so we'll talk about the death penalty at some point i promise that's probably the thing i get asked

00:38:51.120 about the most and i did talk about on instagram but i'll do a podcast episode on it or at least a

00:38:56.180 segment um i can assure you that but first i want to talk about this viral beth morin twitter threat now

00:39:02.920 for now some people get really upset when i talk about beth morin which is not often at all i like

00:39:09.020 really maybe i've talked about her once before but i don't i i don't follow her and so i don't

00:39:15.940 just like randomly talk about people when i talk about something that someone said it is because it made

00:39:22.680 the news or it went viral i should say i'll call it a newsmaker it didn't necessarily like i don't know

00:39:28.620 if it was like on cnn maybe it was but um it's it's because it went viral and so a lot of people

00:39:35.080 were talking about it so it's basically a news story um i'm not talking about her personally i

00:39:41.800 always make sure as i'm critiquing people's arguments or as i'm giving pushback to people's

00:39:46.580 arguments i'm not attacking her personally and you know what i found really interesting if i ever do

00:39:50.900 disagree publicly with beth morin which i'm disagreeing publicly because she is making an argument

00:39:56.220 publicly um and so this is all happening on a public forum she i get when people when people

00:40:03.720 see that i disagree they get really mad and sometimes and they get super defensive and the

00:40:09.580 funny thing is is they tell me that i'm disagreeing with her because she is calling out one of my

00:40:16.680 idols and that is why i'm disagreeing with her and that is why i'm upset but in reality i'm like i'm

00:40:22.700 not upset at all i'm just very reasonably and calmly explaining why i disagree and it's the people who

00:40:27.640 are yelling at me who are upset and so shouldn't that indicate that maybe it might be you that is

00:40:34.380 that is waiting in idolatry and not and not me because if like you are that angry and that emotional

00:40:41.220 and that defensive about this person not even just about their argument but about them personally and

00:40:46.720 you're accusing someone else who disagrees with them of idolatry maybe maybe the finger points

00:40:52.400 back at you as as well maybe not but i just think that that is some good food for thought people get

00:40:58.820 really really mad when you disagree with someone like beth more which i understand like she has

00:41:04.800 helped or a lot of people feel like like she has really had a big influence on them like she you

00:41:10.780 know her bible studies i think most women that i know have done her bible studies i used to do her

00:41:15.900 bible studies i remember hearing her speak at passion she was my favorite speaker when i went to

00:41:19.580 passion in college because she is such an amazing and compelling and dynamic speaker and like she's

00:41:26.620 just so she's so uh charismatic and she's so appealing and attractive in that way and so i

00:41:32.940 completely understand i completely understand why people follow her and she has come out over the

00:41:38.840 past few years saying that she doesn't like trump that's fine i know that i voted for trump i talk about

00:41:44.260 voting for trump but i've also said many times and i sincerely believe this that i don't believe

00:41:50.240 and have never asserted that supporting donald trump is an indication of your righteousness as a christian

00:41:55.160 or is makes you more holy or even more patriotic i know a lot of conservative christ followers who love

00:42:03.600 this country and share a lot of the same values that i do that didn't vote for donald trump that don't

00:42:09.140 like donald trump that couldn't bring themselves to vote for donald trump and i do not in any way

00:42:13.400 think that i am more righteous than them that i am holier than them that i'm a better american than they

00:42:18.540 are i don't believe that at all so i really don't care that beth moore doesn't like donald trump

00:42:22.900 the problem that i've had or the where i take issue with a lot of her stances over the past few years

00:42:29.020 um is that she has a disproportionate i believe focus on the threat that she believes that donald

00:42:36.140 trump and his supporters uh pose to evangelicalism and she would probably say that i disproportionately

00:42:43.520 focus on the dangers of progressive christianity christianity except that i think that i see a lot

00:42:48.260 more evidence and i think it's quantifiable a lot more evidence of the pervasiveness and insidious of

00:42:55.280 this insidiousness of progressivism and progressive christianity in our culture than i do um of trumpism

00:43:02.920 is that's what she calls it in this in this thread but i will add some let me say one of my least

00:43:09.540 favorite words but something that is sometimes necessary nuance to this conversation after i read

00:43:15.480 her viral tweet thread uh she said i do not believe these are days for mincing words i'm 63 and a half

00:43:22.400 years old and i have never seen anything in these united states of america i found more astonishingly

00:43:28.240 seductive and dangerous to the saints of god than trumpism this christian nationalism is not of god

00:43:34.260 move back from it fellow leaders we'll be held responsible for remaining passive in this day of

00:43:38.860 seduction to save our own skin while the saints we've been entrusted to serve are being seduced

00:43:43.180 manipulated used and stirred up into a lather of zeal devoid of the holy spirit for political gain

00:43:48.300 and god help us we don't turn from trumpism to bidenism we do not worship flesh and blood we do

00:43:54.400 not place our faith in mortals we are the church of the living god we can't sanctify idolatry by

00:44:00.340 labeling a leader our cyrus we need no cyrus we have no king his name is jesus so some of that i want to

00:44:07.260 say yes and amen to like the last part that we don't worship flesh and blood that we don't place our

00:44:13.620 faith in mortals that we are the church of the living god we have a king his name of jesus yes and

00:44:17.980 amen i completely agree with that and therefore i agree that any kind of political idolatry is wrong

00:44:24.620 that placing too much hope or resting our peace upon earthly kingdoms and earthly governments and

00:44:30.380 even earthly policies is wrong as i've argued many times in this podcast should we care about those

00:44:35.520 things should we vote in a way uh that we believe is is for the well-being and the welfare of our

00:44:41.120 nation absolutely um but uh we shouldn't idolize the government or believe that our peace comes from

00:44:48.960 what's happening politically or else we'll be tossed to and fro um on on the waves of partisanship and

00:44:56.140 it's not a good it's not a good foundation for our faith where i disagree is well where i have some

00:45:03.460 some real questions and where i think that her words are very incomplete and misleading is when

00:45:10.320 she talks about the most the most seductive and dangerous uh ideology to the saints of god being

00:45:20.500 trumpism like what i want her to describe what i what i want some specificity from and i've asked her on

00:45:28.240 on twitter it's the only way that i have to get in touch with her that i know of what i've asked her is to

00:45:33.320 define her terms like she uses social justice terms a lot when she talks about equality when she talks

00:45:38.800 about justice when she talks about racial justice i always want to know what she means so i've asked

00:45:44.140 her to define her terms she never defines her terms and interestingly enough a couple weeks ago

00:45:49.800 she did um she did a twitter thread that was uh slamming the southern baptist convention i believe it

00:45:57.660 was or southern baptist who called out the dangers of critical race theory and she said

00:46:03.080 i've never been able to uh for i've never been able to get from anyone a real definition of critical

00:46:08.680 race theory can anyone give me a definition of critical race theory it's almost like these people

00:46:13.600 have just you know i'm paraphrasing she thinks that people have basically created this boogeyman

00:46:17.900 that's not really real and so i gave her a definition of critical race theory you guys know i've talked

00:46:22.900 about the definitions of critical race theory have experts on here that are much smarter than me and much

00:46:27.680 more well read than me on the subject talk about the definitions of critical race theory i have been very

00:46:31.800 specific about what critical race theory is what it looks like how it manifests itself because i don't

00:46:38.600 want it to be this fake boogeyman i don't want it to be something that i just bring up and slap on

00:46:44.740 people who disagree with me in order to shut down conversation no i want people to know what it is

00:46:49.120 i want people to know what the definition is i want them to know specifically what it looks like

00:46:53.360 and specifically how to listen for it i don't want it to be this thing that i just use as a rhetorical

00:46:58.300 device to shut down my opponents that's not helpful to anyone because i actually think it's

00:47:02.560 a real threat so if you want to know more about what critical race theory is you or bethmore go

00:47:08.080 listen to my various podcasts on it it all they all have it in the in the title you can look it up on

00:47:13.780 apple podcast or google it or whatever i have lots of conversations and lots of podcasts on specifically

00:47:19.800 what critical race theory is what it believes what it posits how it has specifically infiltrated the

00:47:26.160 church and um how it weaves itself into biblical doctrine and uh biblical theology in order to

00:47:35.160 leaven the whole lump in a very poisonous way and so she laughed kind of or she made the the the point

00:47:42.540 that no one has been able to define crt to her i defined it i didn't get a reply um and then she

00:47:49.080 uses these terms like trumpism and christian nationalism without giving any definition and i don't know what

00:47:55.920 she means like i don't know what a lot of people mean when they talk about christian nationalism so i

00:48:02.180 asked someone someone uh messaged me about this saying that you know they agree with bethmore they

00:48:06.960 disagree with me that christian nationalism you know is something that we really need to watch out for

00:48:11.580 so i asked this person to define it for me and i actually really appreciated that while this person

00:48:15.680 disagrees with my take that she did take the time to give me a definition and but i'm still i'm still

00:48:25.240 a little confused about it it's basically conflating patriotism with christianity i think is what people

00:48:33.180 mean now everyone means different things i think because i think some people use this term because

00:48:37.280 they've heard it and they have no idea what they mean by it so conflating patriotism and christianity

00:48:43.720 thinking that in order to be a good christian you have to have a certain brand of patriotism

00:48:47.320 or in order to be a good christian you have to like donald trump or you have to um fight for this

00:48:53.440 election now i will say that i've seen some of that like here's what i think that i have seen that is

00:48:59.960 actually probably christian nationalism and that is um the idea that america is modern day israel that

00:49:07.840 who the prophets were talking about uh in the old testament is actually was talking about america

00:49:14.940 that we are really the city on the hill like we are really god's chosen people um that we are

00:49:21.280 basically like the culmination of god's kingdom i do think that's dangerous and to be perfectly honest

00:49:27.480 i have seen that from people who support donald trump who think that this like battle this litigation

00:49:34.660 battle for the election is armageddon that's what it comes across as now they probably wouldn't say

00:49:40.040 that but that's what it comes across as in some of the interviews and speeches i've heard from

00:49:44.140 evangelical christians thinking that this is like the spiritual battle of our lives and i think it's

00:49:49.700 also conflating support for donald trump with the light and um and opposing donald trump as the

00:49:58.380 darkness like reading ephesians 6 that says that we don't battle against flesh and blood but we're

00:50:04.340 battling against the the spiritual powers over this present darkness that they liken those

00:50:10.700 spiritual dark powers to anyone who opposes donald trump now i would agree that there are

00:50:16.660 certainly spiritual implications to our ideologies like i obviously believe as a conservative that the

00:50:24.480 leftist ideology is a secular it starts with an anti-god premise whether or not people who hold to

00:50:30.420 leftism realize that it started as an anti-god anti-religious anti-christianity philosophy even

00:50:38.400 going back as far to as to to marx and the people who started the collectivism that defines the left

00:50:45.020 today it is it's a secular anti-god purposely started as an anti-religious anti-christian ideology and

00:50:55.040 it's still what it is today um so i understand that there are definitely spiritual implications to what we

00:51:01.040 believe but to say that the republican party or the people who voted for trump are basically the saints

00:51:06.560 and the members of the household of god as ephesians describes christians and anyone who opposes trump

00:51:11.040 is not that that is obviously wrong that is a form of idolatry and it is a form of um it's just a skewed

00:51:19.660 worldview it's an idolatrous worldview and it's not correct yes i believe people who were christians

00:51:27.180 who said that they voted for joe biden that they were wrong that they're operating from a wrong

00:51:32.360 perspective i don't know i can't say that they have a wrong worldview but they i think that that was

00:51:35.920 wrong i don't think that they had to have voted for donald trump though i don't think that they had

00:51:40.080 to have loved donald trump i think they were wrong in their decision making in voting for joe biden i think

00:51:45.920 that was absolutely a mistake just like they think it was a mistake for me to vote for donald trump but

00:51:51.060 i go to head head to head with them on that any day of the week but i do not believe that you have to

00:51:57.800 like donald trump in order to be a good christian or that that indicates your righteousness at all so

00:52:03.040 anyone who ties righteousness holiness sanctification chosenness to supporting donald trump or being a

00:52:09.380 republican um maybe that is what trumpism trumpism is um and i certainly make no qualms about which

00:52:19.800 ideology i think actually aligns better with scripture i mean there's a reason why i'm a

00:52:25.680 conservative but those aren't political issues for me like me believing in traditional marriage

00:52:29.760 me believing in the biological gender binary me believing in smaller governments and personal uh

00:52:37.540 personal generosity voluntary generosity those actually are political issues for me those are

00:52:42.620 theological issues that have political implications and that's what i want to be careful about because

00:52:48.000 i was reading the definition of what some people think christian nationalism christian nationalism is

00:52:53.200 on wikipedia which like i said beth moore didn't define her term so i have no idea what she believes

00:52:58.240 but according to trustworthy wikipedia the christian nationalism promotes religious christian

00:53:05.980 discourses in various fields of social life from politics and history to culture and science with

00:53:10.380 respect to legislation with respect to legis okay so let me start with that first clause so discourses

00:53:16.680 in various fields of social life from politics and history to culture in science so that's christian

00:53:22.500 nationalism is christians wanting to view culture and science and politics from a christian perspective

00:53:28.760 that's christian nationalism and so is beth moore and other people that are lambasting christian

00:53:33.940 nationalism saying that we shouldn't try to approach these areas of life through the lens of biblical

00:53:38.520 faith why like you understand that if we don't look at policies and we don't look at justice and we don't

00:53:47.740 look at cultural issues through the lens of biblical christianity that we're going to be looking through

00:53:52.840 another lens there's no such thing as neutrality like christians understand that that if the christian

00:53:59.400 worldview is not what we are operating from when we are looking at these public square issues then we

00:54:04.200 will be operating from a secular worldview which is not neutral like secularism is its own belief system

00:54:10.840 it has its own dogmas it it has its own directives it has its own rules and restrictions and so as much

00:54:19.200 as secularism is pushing itself on society why shouldn't we as christians say no we're going to approach

00:54:25.320 this from a biblical perspective certainly the founders did like is the constitution a christian

00:54:29.860 nationalist document or is the declaration of independence a christian nationalist document

00:54:34.280 because it says we were endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights among them being life

00:54:39.240 liberty and the pursuit of happiness is it christian nationalism to believe that our rights come from

00:54:43.460 god see i'm afraid people are saying people are starting to believe that christian nationalism just means

00:54:49.520 christians viewing the world through a christian perspective are viewing policies or cultural or social

00:54:55.020 issues through a christian perspective and i think that's going to convince people because they're

00:54:58.840 so scared of being a called a christian nationalist of saying well i'm just going to not allow my faith

00:55:05.600 to let me view the world in these public issues um i'm not going to allow my faith to to color my views

00:55:14.180 of those things and so you're going to be thinking like the world you're going to have a secular perspective

00:55:19.040 which again is not a neutral perspective of the world you're going to take on a different worldview

00:55:23.480 a different faith that is opposed to your faith you're not just going to be able to strike this

00:55:28.520 balance of oh i'm a christian privately but i don't let it affect what i think publicly like you

00:55:33.960 can allow christianity to dictate what you think about policies that have to do with human dignity

00:55:40.820 that have to do with freedom that have to do with religious exercise without advocating for a theocracy

00:55:46.860 like i was saying earlier just because i believe everyone should pray doesn't mean that i believe that the

00:55:52.340 government should dictate that people pray but am i a christian nationalist because i actually believe

00:55:58.300 that people should have the the people that my faith informs me that people should have the freedom

00:56:04.740 to be able to worship how they want to worship like am i a christian nationalist because i believe in

00:56:11.360 religious liberty that i actually think that my faith informs that am i a christian nationalist

00:56:16.860 because i believe that uh i believe in smaller government and that the responsibility of charity

00:56:22.880 and caring for the poor should be predominantly on individuals and private organizations rather

00:56:28.340 than uh on government on the government and government programs like i want to know specifically

00:56:35.280 what is christian nationalism according to the people who call people christian nationalists

00:56:40.500 because i can get on board with the definition that says okay it's conflating patriotism with

00:56:45.780 righteousness or it is saying that you have to be a trump supporter in order to be a christian

00:56:51.940 or it conflates people who voted for donald trump with all christians okay i can get on board with that

00:56:57.840 like that is wrong that is a threat that is idolatry but i can't get on board with this idea that christian

00:57:03.000 nationalism is just being a christian in society that is just like viewing the world of public issues

00:57:07.880 through a christian perspective and you'll notice that these people who say that uh you know who call

00:57:14.360 all conservatives christian nationalists who just see the world from a christian perspective they

00:57:18.760 don't care when aoc uses jesus as her political mascot to push socialism it's very interesting they

00:57:25.780 don't care when someone who supports blm says that jesus was a palestinian free freedom fighter

00:57:31.020 they don't care when jesus is used as a mascot for social justice um left-wing political issues it's

00:57:39.060 just wrong when conservatives say that my christian worldview informs me for example that we need to

00:57:45.440 protect uh all life and that includes life inside the womb uh that apparently is christian nationalism to

00:57:53.020 some people and i just can't get on board with that and so the segment of so-called christian nationalism

00:57:58.000 that might actually be idolatry and something that i disagree with um you know as i've already

00:58:04.560 described i just don't see its popularity i see it in a segment of the republican party i do i see it

00:58:11.660 in a segment of evangelicalism i do but like show me the books being published on that like show me the

00:58:18.340 number of influencers of like influential christian people show me the number of of real pastors uh who

00:58:25.560 are pushing this kind of idea i know that some of them exist but present to me those and then let's look

00:58:32.800 at the number of progressive christians who are pushing secular ideas about gender identity and

00:58:38.800 sexuality and the inerrancy of god's word in heaven and hell and sin and sanctification uh worldly

00:58:45.680 definitions of justice worldly definitions of uh right and wrong like let's compare the influence that these

00:58:53.340 two groups have i promise you the latter has more influence that it is widely popular to don

00:59:00.040 progressivism and secular ideas of social justice and identity and sin and redemption that is far more

00:59:07.200 popular far more pervasive and therefore far more threatening than so-called christian nationalism

00:59:13.120 something that i think most people can't even define or put their finger on i'm not saying it's not a

00:59:17.020 threat i'm not saying it's not wrong i mean both things in my opinion lead you straight to hell

00:59:21.680 all kinds of idolatry too um but i do not think that it's an accurate assessment to say

00:59:28.440 that that that trumpism is the biggest threat to evangelicalism and i understand that's because

00:59:35.060 beth has become more progressive and her friends are progressive the people who have patted her on

00:59:39.420 the back for speaking out against donald trump are the progressive people who deny biblical marriage

00:59:43.860 who deny the the biblical gender binary who deny uh the traditional biblical teachings on heaven and

00:59:52.260 hell and sin and sanctification and repentance and holiness and so she's not going to offend them

00:59:57.960 uh she gets big points and a lot of likes and a lot of retweets uh for saying the uh you know

01:00:05.320 the traditional democratic quasi-christian dogma of the time and so she at the end says you know we

01:00:14.840 shouldn't turn trumpism into bidenism bidenism is not a thing we all know that like trumpism is a thing

01:00:19.340 i agree people there are some people who idolize trump absolutely like he is a people have like a cult

01:00:24.640 around donald trump there won't ever be a cult around joe biden because he's not magnet like he's

01:00:29.200 not interesting enough he's not compelling enough no one cares about joe biden no one voted for joe

01:00:33.480 biden people who voted for him actually voted for against donald trump but it's not bidenism that's a

01:00:39.280 threat it's progressivism and it's on the march like you just already you heard what i read uh about

01:00:45.900 uh about the equality act that is something that's really happening that is actually a tangible threat

01:00:51.800 of progressivism show me the legislation show me the legislation the christian nationalist legislation

01:00:57.640 that's being pushed but show me show me that show me how that tangibly is encroaching upon

01:01:04.940 our our freedoms like show me the legislation that's representing um that that's representing

01:01:11.460 that kind of worldview because i can show you bill after bill that is representing progressivism

01:01:17.360 um and the threat that it poses i was i got a message from someone talking about how in victoria

01:01:23.580 australia they have a bill that is currently being passed um that is trying to on its face it says it's

01:01:31.360 banning some kind of you know dangerous suppression conversion therapy for lgbtq youth what it actually

01:01:37.460 does is it bans parents and people from praying uh praying out loud for their children they're not even

01:01:44.360 allowed to have frank conversations with their children their child comes home and says you know

01:01:48.560 i'm actually you know i'm eight years old i was raised a girl but i actually think that i'm a boy

01:01:53.600 that parent according to this bill is not legally allowed to say you know what i don't actually think

01:01:59.240 this is true about you is something else going on let's have a conversation about this i love you

01:02:04.600 and i want to talk to you about this they're not allowed to do this according to this bill in victoria

01:02:09.760 you can read the text of the bill yourself they're not allowed to travel somewhere else for christian

01:02:13.820 counseling services that affirms their biological reality i mean this is something that's happening

01:02:18.360 worldwide like show me the institutions the the influential institutions that are spreading

01:02:24.200 christian nationalism show me how pervasive that is i'm not saying it's not a threat but let's compare

01:02:29.600 let's compare the two bethmore doesn't want to talk about that of course because again it's her

01:02:36.040 allies are there like i just want to know like was william wilberforce a christian nationalist

01:02:40.220 because his christianity compelled him to lead the cause of abolishing slavery like was was he

01:02:48.480 was he a christian nationalist for that were the founders christian nationalists because they believed

01:02:54.180 that we have inherent rights given to us by god that therefore can't be arbitrarily taken away

01:02:58.760 by the government it was imperfectly implemented at the time of the founding but the closer and

01:03:04.220 closer we have gotten to our founding ideals the the more free and equal our country has become like

01:03:11.280 are are there christian national is it christian nationalist to say you know my christianity

01:03:16.320 informs me to pass a piece of legislation that you know advances the dignity of human beings like is that

01:03:24.000 christian nationalism is that the threat you're talking about i think we need to be very specific i've

01:03:29.260 been very specific about the threat of uh theological progressivism i believe of political progressivism

01:03:36.140 of critical race theory of intersectionality i've taken pains to define those things to give you

01:03:41.840 resources to read about those things to talk to people that know about those things let's get some

01:03:46.560 specificity about christian nationalism and trumpism because like i said i probably agree with you i probably

01:03:54.220 agree with you that it's idolatry but i think it's important that we're clear and that we do a very

01:03:59.040 a very realistic assessment of what is actually the bigger threat here that's that's my take on all

01:04:07.540 that i know i'm gonna get some angry some angry comments from it but i hope it's clarifying um for

01:04:13.720 some of you i know another long episode i completely failed at making this short i'm verbose what can i

01:04:19.740 say i've just got a lot to say okay um we will be back here on friday with a very interesting conversation

01:04:26.060 and then we're gonna have a series of interviews after that because i already pre-recorded them for

01:04:31.740 the christmas and the new year um weeks and then we will be back with a new and improved show that

01:04:38.560 you're really gonna like and there's an announcement coming along with it that i'm excited to tell you

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - December 16, 2020

Ep 339 ｜ The Price of Losing Georgia & Christian Nationalism

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