Ep 344 ｜ The Great Reset： Everything You Need to Know ｜ Guest： Justin Haskins
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Justin Haskins is the foremost expert on The Great Reset. He has written extensively about this, has done a variety of interviews on this, and knows the ins and outs of what the Great Reset is. He s going to help us separate conspiracy theory from what is actually going on and what we should be concerned about.
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This guy is the foremost expert that I know on The Great Reset.
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This guy really knows the ins and outs of what The Great Reset is.
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He's going to help us separate conspiracy theory from what's actually going on and what we
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And I'm so excited for you to listen to this conversation.
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Can you tell everyone who may not know who you are and what you do?
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I am the editorial director at the Heartland Institute, which is a national free market
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And part of what I do at the Heartland Institute is run our Stopping Socialism project, which
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We've done all sorts of different things, speaking engagements and articles and all kinds of great
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So my main focus, honestly, is usually socialism-related topics.
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I also write a column for Fox News, and I write a lot for Fox Business and a whole bunch
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I've worked for The Blaze before, so I'm a huge fan of The Blaze and Glenn Beck and all
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A lot of people have been asking me to talk about this, but it's kind of hard to separate
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fact from fiction, I've realized, because some of it seems like straight-up conspiracy
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And so I'm hoping that today, because you've been talking about this a lot recently, you
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are able to help us kind of wade through what is true and what is not.
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So the Great Reset, the modern Great Reset movement began, at least the term, the Great
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Reset, because it's really existed for a very long time in different forms.
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But the modern Great Reset movement began earlier this year, primarily at this event hosted by
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the World Economic Forum, which is this very large, very powerful, influential international
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organization, nonprofit organization based in Switzerland.
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They're the folks that hold that big annual Davos meeting full of celebrities and heads
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And they hosted this big meeting in June, at the very beginning of June, where they rolled
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And this Great Reset of the global economy using COVID-19 as sort of the initial justification
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for why we needed to have this Great Reset of the global economy.
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And at this event, they had all sorts of incredibly powerful, influential people there talking openly
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And some of the things that they were saying were just absolutely unbelievable.
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For example, the head of the World Economic Forum, this is probably one of the best quotes
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about the Great Reset, wrote this article right around the same time that they had this event
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And he said that the world must act jointly and swiftly to revamp all aspects of our societies
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and economies, from education and social contracts and working conditions.
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Every country from the United States to China must participate.
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And every industry from oil and gas to tech must be transformed.
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And from there, there were all sorts of other people, Prince Charles, heads of major corporations
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like Microsoft, Bank of America, other people who spoke about this, international nonprofits
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like Greenpeace International, for example, International Monetary Fund, United Nations.
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If you're a really powerful person, you have come out and spoken in favor of the Great Reset
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And a lot of them did it at this initial event held by the World Economic Forum in June.
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They talk, they love to talk in these sort of big, broad, grand language about ushering
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in this new economic era and, you know, like you just heard from Klaus Schwab, revamping
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Well, when you read through the massive amount of Great Reset literature, speeches, presentations
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that they've given, it essentially comes down to two main parts.
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The first part is they want these big, massive social programs, the sort of things that you
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would normally think of when you think of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or Bernie Sanders or people like
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that, like Green New Deal, federal jobs guarantee, single payer health care, all of that.
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The other part of it is completely changing the way that businesses are evaluated so that
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businesses aren't just evaluated based on profit or how good their services are or what their
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But they evaluate these businesses based on those things, plus a whole bunch of left-wing goals.
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And how good or how woke are you, essentially, is what they're looking to do so that the entire
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It's not just in Europe, but they want to do this all over the world.
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And together, these two main components are the Great Reset.
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The economy was destroyed deliberately by government.
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And that was their justification for needing to rebuild it, to take this golden opportunity,
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as Prince Charles called it, to usher in this Great Reset.
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And the long-term justification is the so-called climate crisis that we're facing.
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And that's the reason why we need to do this, even if COVID goes away.
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So I think that's a—I know there's a lot there that I threw out there, but I think that
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that gives you sort of a broad summary of what the Great Reset is.
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So I think part of—well, you can tell me if this is a conspiratorial conclusion that
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You know, there are some people who—I think that there was some kind of event, I forget
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what it was called last year, where—and Bill Gates was a part of it, which just adds to
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the conspiratorial nature of even saying this, because he's the center of a lot of conspiracy
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But there was an event last year where they pretended to have a pandemic, and it was a
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And they talked about, you know, what they would do in the government and how they would
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So some people are looking at something like that, and then they are looking at where this
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They are looking at these major organizations like the WHO, who seems to be in bed with
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China and actually helped China cover up part of the coronavirus in their reporting in the
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And then they're hearing politicians in America at the beginning of the year, like AOC, as
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you were saying, saying, not the words Great Reset, but this is an opportunity.
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This is an opportunity to push the programs that we want.
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And then we hear something like the Great Reset.
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And so in a lot of people's minds, and I think understandably, all of these things start coming
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together and people start to ask this question, was the coronavirus manufactured for this purpose
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Or are these major world economies or economists in powers using this very, you know, this
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organically begun virus to pass there and push their agenda?
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So what is your take on that, just for the people who find themselves kind of wondering
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The event that you're referring to occurred, I believe it was in October.
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And it was co-hosted not only by Bill Gates, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, but also
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Johns Hopkins, which has been one of the leading voices on handling the coronavirus and all of
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And of course, they're one of the biggest supporters of the Great Reset.
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So it's very easy to see how having a big event just a few months before the pandemic
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breaks out, talking about how we would handle a big pandemic would lead to all these conspiracy
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In my experience, and there's probably nobody on the face of the planet who's read more
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literature about the Great Reset than I have and has been more immersed in this than I
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My take on it is that I don't believe that there was any sort of deliberate creation of
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a pandemic in order to create this Great Reset.
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What I think was going on is that they were and have been for many years, the same group
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of people, similar people, preparing for any kind of an opportunity that they could get
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You could probably find things in 2018, 2017, 2016, where they were doing very similar things
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because they've been waiting for this opportunity for a long time.
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So when the pandemic came along, it was for them the perfect excuse to do the things that
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They've been waiting for that moment for a long time.
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Other times they've been trying to sort of manufacture this existential climate change crisis.
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That's been something they've been trying to do for a long, long time to usher in many
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So I don't think that that there was any sort of a conspiracy to create the pandemic.
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They were eager to use the pandemic as a justification for beginning this whole Great Reset process.
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I think another question that people have, OK, well, are some of the lockdowns, which seem
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to be, in a lot of cases, very arbitrary and they kind of spontaneously pop up.
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Do these kind of shutdowns of small businesses, of restaurants, of schools, of people who are
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just trying to get by, does that have anything to do with the hope of precipitating the Great
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Reset or is that just, again, a part of a conspiracy theory and really the lockdowns that are being
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pressed by these Democratic politicians and this whole big Great Reset agenda, they just
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happen to coincide, but they're not actually cooperating.
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So I think initially the primary reason that you had so many lockdowns was because, remember,
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you had a lot of conservative governments or so-called conservative governments locking
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everything down, too, these people would not support a Great Reset, right?
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I think initially politicians are just trying to cover their butts, right?
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That's one of the first things that politicians do.
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And so I think what they were trying to do is they didn't want to be the first, they didn't
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want to be a politician that allows things to stay open and then thousands or even hundreds
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of thousands of people in their state die as a result of keeping everything open.
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And at the time, there were public health experts saying that no matter what we do, you were
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going to have maybe over a million people die from coronavirus, no matter what happens.
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So I think initially it was more of just an overreaction in certain cases.
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The lockdowns, the way they rolled them out, never made any sense.
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Over time, though, when we started getting more data and more evidence and it became very clear
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that these lockdowns weren't working, we could see that in other countries around the world
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And it still wasn't stopping the pandemic from happening.
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When we started realizing that most of the people who were dying were older people.
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They were people with pre-existing health conditions.
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They were people who were living in nursing homes.
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It didn't make any sense to lock down people who are in their 30s in Iowa.
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That's not where people are getting sick and dying.
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And so I think over time, what the left realized was two things.
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Number one, it would help them accomplish their goals to keep things locked down.
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OK, I don't think there's any doubt about that whatsoever.
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Number two, and probably most importantly, it was going to hurt Donald Trump.
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And everything comes back to politics eventually when it comes to understanding the motivation
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And I think that it was just too good of an opportunity for them to really stick it to
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Donald Trump, whose main talking point going into 2020 was, look at how great the economy
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They're not going to allow that thing to come back to life right before the election happens.
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So I think a lot of it was politics, not a conspiracy theory.
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And I think that we're seeing some of that revealed by Nancy Pelosi when she rejected
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Donald Trump's offer of a $1.8 trillion relief package that was really a good compromise,
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at least for Democrats, between Republicans and Democrats.
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And now it looks like she is going to accept a smaller package, $900 billion.
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And when she was asked about this, of course, as she does, she got very agitated.
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Uh, but she said, she said, well, look, we've got, we've got a democratic president now.
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And so it does seem like, okay, she and other politicians who really hated Trump were willing
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to let Americans suffer for the sake of winning the election.
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I also wonder with, with these big major powers, um, kind of wanting the bureaucratic status quo,
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especially in the United States, how much influence those powers, even the World Economic Forum
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I mean, it was very clear that, you know, China, for example, that, and even the WHO, the UN,
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these kind of just swampy international organizations, that Donald Trump really got in their way,
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especially when it came to their, uh, their, they're trying to push the climate crisis as
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this existential threat, him, you know, pulling out of the Paris climate accord.
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Do you think the international powers that be helped influence or drive the outcome of the election at all?
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Uh, I think, I think to some extent, perhaps, um,
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not, not, I'm not like, uh, uh, alleging cheating or anything, but just, you know, with funds, with
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I mean, I don't think there's any doubt about it at all that one of the main talking points
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for Joe Biden going, you know, throughout his campaign was that, you know, the world hates
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us because of Donald Trump, uh, very similar to what we heard about George W. Bush toward the
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end of his presidency as well. Uh, the world hates us. America first is not good for the world.
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We need to be working more. We need more multilateralism, all of those sorts of things.
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And, and I don't think there's any doubt about it that those, that that was definitely part of the
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campaign. I also think that John Kerry, who was a big part of, of Joe Biden's campaign and a lot of
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people who are surrounding, uh, Joe Biden as well. Uh, they're deeply in bed with the world economic
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forum. Um, they're deeply in bed with all these big international organizations. They work together
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all the time and there was coordination. I mean, you can, it, that is not a theory. I mean, it's a
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fact there was coordination. The, the, the most obvious example of it is the build back better
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slogan that Joe Biden was using everywhere. He was talking about build back better. Everything was
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the build back better plan, which is a stupid name by the way, but everyone was talking about build
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back better, right? Well, build back better is, is a term. Those exact words have been used for
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years and years and years by people at the world economic forum, by people at the world bank and
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other organizations talking about very similar policies. Joe Biden literally copied and pasted
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the slogan that had been used by these international organizations for many, many years. And then other
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people like Justin Trudeau, for example, in Canada, um, Boris Johnson in the United kingdom,
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they all started echoing these same talking points, build back better world economic forum
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started publishing articles right around the same time. Joe Biden started really promoting
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this build back better mantra. They started releasing articles with build back better all
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over the place. I mean, dozens of them. And so there's no doubt about it. There was coordination
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between these groups. However, with all that said, I think at the end of the day, uh, the reason
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why, uh, Joe Biden won the election, if he won the election fairly, and I know there's a lot of people
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who don't believe that that happened, but if he won the election fairly, the reason he won,
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I think has more to do with, with Donald Trump's personality and his communication skills than it did
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anything else. I think that was the primary issue. Um, I think, I think Donald Trump would have been
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maybe one of the most popular presidents ever. If he had just been a little bit better at communicating,
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stayed off of Twitter a little bit more and had a different approach to people. I think that's
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what it came down to for a lot of, of middle of the road voters and even some Republicans. Um,
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I don't know that the world economic forum or any of those people really swayed many voters
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by working with Joe Biden. I think it, it was more, it was all about Trump. This election was all
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about Trump for better or worse. But they certainly were, even if only privately, they were certainly
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in favor of a Joe Biden presidency in the same way that, that China and a lot of corrupt powers
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are, uh, were in favor of Joe Biden because he does bring us back to a place of quote, normalcy.
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If normalcy is, you know, a lifelong politician who is as swampy as they come, who is going to fill his
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administration with people who are as swampy as they come, who are going to advance this kind of
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agenda, who have no qualms whatsoever with, uh, a great reset that the world economic forum is
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talking about. What is the, what is the ultimate goal? I know you talked about this in your first
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answer, but is, is the goal communism is the goal, you know, one world government. That's a lot of times
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what people talk about is the goal world domination by, by China, or are there people at the top who
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truly have, at least in their own minds, generous motivations for making what they think will make
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the world a better place for human beings? Right. So I think anytime you have a, a movement that involves
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so many different interests with so many different ideas, you're going to have, uh, different motivations
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within those, within that group, right? This is a massive group. And so some people, so China, for example,
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you brought up China. I think China absolutely is focused on world domination. I think they've been
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focused on world domination for a very, very long time. I think they see that as their destiny and
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they are somewhat involved in all of this great reset stuff as well. And so I think their motivation
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is they will do anything they possibly can to knock the United States off the pedestal. They don't want
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them to be the top dog. They want to be the top dog in the world. They want to set the world policy.
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And so they'll do anything they can to help undermine that. I think Russia, you know, similar sort of thing.
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Right. But when you're talking about people, um, like Klaus Schwab at the world economic forum, or you're
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talking about, uh, John Kerry or Joe Biden or other people who have connections to the great reset, I think
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that for them, they believe that the world is a much, much better place when the elites of society are
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controlling society. And over time, what they've learned is what the, what the progressive left has learned.
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And so the socialist left to some extent as well too, is that you can't just have these progressive
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policies in the United States and only in the United States, because what happens is people leave the
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United States, corporations leave, they go someplace else. And Europe has realized this too. Right. And
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that's why Asia has grown so much over the past 30 or 40 years. Cause the labor was so cheap there.
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It was so easy to move overseas. And, and why would I produce my products in the United States with all these
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regulations and taxes and everything when I can go to China and do it for a lot less money? And so what they
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realized was we need to do this on a global scale. That's the only way we're going to be able to, to enact these
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progressive policies and socialist policies in some cases on a global scale. That's the only way we'll be able to
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control and manipulate everything that's going on. Uh, if we don't have international, if we don't have an
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international body, international rules, uh, that are enforceable to have some teeth, then there really
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is no way that we can make all of this work. And so Barack Obama especially started moving us heavily
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in that direction of, of, of, you know, working with the United nations, working with all these big
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international institutions to come up with these gigantic international agreements that everyone was
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supposedly going to go along with the Paris climate agreement being one of the most notable examples
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of that. Uh, and Donald Trump came in and was essentially a hand grenade in the room and
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essentially said, no, we're not doing this. We're doing America first. And I don't care what any of
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you people think. And he became a massive roadblock for this whole effort. And he had to be taken out of
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the equation. And now that they think that they've got them out of the equation, I think, yeah, it's right
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back to business as usual. Let's expand these things out. Let's put the elites in charge.
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Do the, I do believe they think that by putting all these elites in charge and giving massive, uh,
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power to the United nations and people who go to the world economic forum meetings and Davos and all
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of that, that the world will be a better place. I think they genuinely believe that they believe that
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they should be the ones with the power. Um, and that, you know, the rest of us are all just too
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stupid to know what's good for us. And so there's a little, there's, there's a little bit of everything
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there, right? They get to be super powerful, which is something that humanity has always
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strived for. There's always been people in society that want to be very powerful. They get to satisfy
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that urge while at the same time they get to say, I'm saving the world on top of it. Um, and so I, I think
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there's a, is a little bit of everything in your answer. The only thing I would say this really doesn't
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have anything to do with of the things that you mentioned was communism. Uh, I don't believe
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that this is communism. I think that, um, that the AOCs of the world, for example, and the Bernie
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Sanders of the world would actually not necessarily be in favor of a lot of this stuff because they
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don't want corporations to have more power. They don't want, um, elites to have more power
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necessarily. What they want to do is just destroy the entire system, not use it to accomplish
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leftist goals. They want to break the whole thing down and start all over again and have a true sort
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of communist revolution. And that's not really what these people want. They want many of the same
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social programs and stuff, and, and they do want to control society, but they want to do it from the
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perspective of, of a person who's an elitist, who believes that they're the intelligentsia, that they
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are the well-educated people of the world, that they should be in control of society. And it's a,
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it's a more top-down approach than someone like Bernie Sanders would normally be in favor of.
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Well, at least, at least in theory, I would argue that even though Bernie Sanders and AOC and Ilhan
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Omar, those people talk like they want to tear it down and they truly just want this equal, you know,
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socialist, uh, utopian society, they are the elites. They dress like the elites. They spend money like
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the elites. They live like the elites. Uh, they, you know, uh, their, their, their friends are the
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elites, especially Ilhan Omar with some of the stuff that's come out about how she's been paying her
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husband's firm. I mean, these people function like elites while also talking about the importance of
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equality and everyone having equal outcomes. Same thing with Kamala Harris. She came out with that video
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that really was a communistic idea saying that equity means that everyone ends up in the same
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place. Well, not everyone has ended up in the place of being potentially the vice president elect.
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So, um, I would argue that even if the world economic forum and this whole great reset doesn't
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have a goal of communism, I would think that AOC and Bernie Sanders will still go along with it because
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they might say that they're against elites and this kind of hierarchy, but every socialist since,
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I mean, you know better than me, but every socialist since the beginning of time has maintained that
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elite status, even while the plebeians are suffering under their destructive ideas. Wouldn't you agree with
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that? Oh, for, oh, for sure. I mean, look, there, there is a, there's a certain set, there's a,
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there's a little bit of schizophrenia when it comes to the left in general, but especially the
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socialist left, uh, they are, they are massive hypocrites. And we've seen this over and over
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and over again, people who say that they live their whole lives. In some cases they, they fight
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revolutions. They kill people over this idea that they want absolute equality, but then when they
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actually take over, they don't provide absolute equality. They take what's theirs. They stay in power.
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And ultimately, um, the rest, there is a class system. There's the people who are in charge of the
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society and then there's everybody else. So I don't think there's any doubt about that at all.
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Um, I don't know that it's conscious always. And I think they like to believe that they,
00:26:32.280
if they actually had the power, they would do it differently. But you're right when they actually
00:26:36.380
get it, they don't, they don't ever behave that way, which is why Bernie Sanders has three houses.
00:26:41.280
Why does Bernie Sanders have three houses and give no money to charity? It doesn't make any sense.
00:26:45.300
Right. So yeah, I, I totally agree with you on that front. And I would add one more thing too,
00:26:49.940
about that. I mean, there's another motivation here too, even if you were a AOC or Bernie Sanders,
00:26:56.020
and you don't like the idea of, of these big international corporations working with these
00:27:00.460
big international elites and controlling society from a top down way, instead of a grassroots Marxist
00:27:06.100
revolution, uh, strategy, even if you didn't like that, there's, there's a lot in it for you to go
00:27:11.760
along with it because these people are promising all sorts of big socialist government programs on top of
00:27:19.300
the things that AOC and Bernie want, like single payer healthcare, federal jobs guarantee, green new
00:27:24.900
deal. And that's deliberate. The, the elites are doing this on purpose. They want to create this
00:27:30.420
alliance with the hard left. And, uh, even though they're not necessarily in that same camp,
00:27:36.600
they know that if they promise these things, it will help them get the job done. So there is a
00:27:40.860
little bit of an alliance here, even though I think they have, there's some conflicting interests.
00:27:44.640
Right. I think that probably most Democrats and maybe some Republicans too, who are more, um, you
00:27:51.120
know, there are Republicans that are in favor of big business and big government in, in some ways,
00:27:56.640
but I think that probably the Democrats primarily and the Republicans that kind of go along with some
00:28:03.300
of these left-wing policies, they probably don't know that they are a part of this greater, great reset
00:28:11.740
agenda. But when you think about, if you were to break down a lot of what you've said, that people
00:28:17.180
at the top at the world economic forum, these kind of quote global elites to, to borrow a term, um,
00:28:24.200
they want to use chaos to take control. And maybe in, in their minds, they think that control is going
00:28:31.880
to be for the benefit of the entire world. But you can see how there are politicians here in America
00:28:37.940
who create chaos, not just physical chaos, not just chaos that, or economic chaos that comes from
00:28:44.080
lockdowns or physical chaos that comes from these riots and arson and looting, the stuff that has
00:28:50.500
certainly been fanned into flame by some democratic politicians, uh, but also moral chaos. Like there
00:28:57.300
is, um, there is a lot of moral and I would say intellectual chaos that's coming from, for example,
00:29:04.040
academia and even our public school system about, you know, what is a woman, what is a man? Post
00:29:09.020
modernism has really turned America's youth, uh, their brains to mush in a lot of ways. And so you
00:29:15.880
can kind of see how even maybe unbeknownst to some of the people pushing these chaotic policies,
00:29:21.760
how it is advancing, uh, the agenda of, you know, bureaucrats taking control of all of these
00:29:30.360
different aspects of our lives to push this, you know, left wing social program, big business,
00:29:37.680
big government agenda. Would you agree with that? Or am I putting pieces together that don't really
00:29:42.520
go together? No, I think that's, I think that's exactly right. Uh, going back to what I said before
00:29:48.460
about the schizophrenia of the left, uh, you know, the left is, is really bizarre when you actually
00:29:53.980
start breaking down some of the factions that exist in the left. You've got radical Islamists
00:29:58.780
in the left with radical feminists. How does that make any sense? Right. Right. How does it make any
00:30:04.220
sense that you've got people who are deathly afraid of climate change, but then other people
00:30:08.300
who want open borders that are going to allow lots of people to come from all over the world where
00:30:12.900
they're not exerting, they're not part of a societies that are producing lots of CO2 emissions
00:30:17.760
come to the United States where they're going to produce on average more CO2 emissions. How is that
00:30:21.900
good for society? Why do you want open borders, but also gun control? How can you have those two
00:30:27.840
things? They don't even make sense. So there's all sorts of police and also gun control or defunding
00:30:33.640
the police gun control and a reconfiguration of the suburbs. Exactly. I mean, even you, I mean,
00:30:40.160
even, and I know you've talked about this before, but I mean, look at feminism and the transgender
00:30:45.360
movement. I mean, these two things are totally in conflict too, depending on what kind of transgender
00:30:50.940
situation you're talking about. So there's all sorts of problems when you actually start looking at the
00:30:56.620
pieces of it. But what they all have in common is one thing. And I think that that's what you're
00:31:00.520
touching on here. What they all have in common is they know that the existing system will not allow
00:31:06.680
for them to accomplish whatever it is they're trying to accomplish. And that it has to be torn down.
00:31:12.180
It has to be torn down in order to rebuild it the way they want it. And that rebuilding part is the
00:31:17.900
part where they kind of disagree that what a feminist would say is very different from someone who
00:31:23.020
is aligned with radical Islamicism. I mean, they're very different ideas for how they want
00:31:27.200
to rebuild society. But the point is they need to destroy the existing society. That's the only way
00:31:33.040
they need to tear down the constitution, tear down this concept of individual liberty. They need to
00:31:38.120
tear down capitalism in order to, in private property rights, in order to accomplish whatever
00:31:43.140
it is their goal is. So really the modern left, at least in the United States and throughout much of
00:31:48.660
Europe, I think this is true too, is an alliance of sorts of people who don't like traditionalism.
00:31:55.440
Yeah, they don't like the system and how they want to rebuild the system is different,
00:31:58.980
but they don't like the system. So creating that chaos is part of that alliance. They can all at
00:32:04.520
least agree on that. And there it's not even necessarily just people who identify themselves on
00:32:10.240
the left. Like, I think this is a very small group of people, but there are, you know, ethno
00:32:15.960
nationalists. They're white nationalists who actually find, they find common cause with a lot
00:32:21.620
of the identity groups on the left. They find common cause with, for example, you know, Antifa
00:32:28.220
or those more radical groups on the left, because they too think that the American system is bad,
00:32:35.060
that it's done a disservice to people, that, you know, they reject conservatism because they say,
00:32:40.080
what is conservatism actually conserved? And so there are, that's that group of people too.
00:32:46.460
It really kind of does span the traditional spectrum of people who just want chaos. And
00:32:54.140
they're, like you said, not all of their goals are shared necessarily their end goals and their end
00:32:59.200
vision, but they all want to destruction. And it's almost like they want to duke it out
00:33:03.600
to see who wins. Whereas people like you and me, I don't know how, you know, big of a share we are
00:33:10.820
of the American populace, probably a pretty big share if you were to get down to it, that are like,
00:33:15.800
no, no, no, no, no. There are really good institutions in place that work that we need to preserve,
00:33:21.240
like the constitution, like, you know, our bill of rights, property rights, even the idea of the rule
00:33:28.700
of law being based on some general idea of biblical law, God being our moral lawgiver and our giver
00:33:35.880
of rights that cannot be arbitrarily taken away by the government. This idea of self-governance,
00:33:42.240
the church is good, religion is good, faith is good, the nuclear family is good. All of these things
00:33:49.880
have acted as bulwarks, as defenses against totalitarianism. And so you can actually see why
00:33:56.800
the people who hate these traditional systems and want chaos and want control and want something new
00:34:01.840
have to tear down things like the family, have to tear down things like the church,
00:34:05.580
have to tear down the things like individual rights and property rights. All of those things
00:34:09.740
are and have been for hundreds of years standing in the way of people who want all the power. Do you
00:34:16.700
agree? Yeah. Yeah. There's no doubt about it. And the way you know that what you're saying is true,
00:34:22.100
the way that we can prove it, is that the left never comes out or they rarely come out and say
00:34:28.180
what they actually want to do. It's always coded in all of this other language that really isn't
00:34:33.860
the truth. It isn't really what they're after. And then they run politicians like Joe Biden who
00:34:39.560
positioned themselves as being so-called moderates when they're not really moderate. Why do they do
00:34:44.480
that? Why doesn't the left just come out and say what they really want? Because they know that's not
00:34:49.280
what most people really want. I think there's even a sizable chunk, maybe even most Democrats
00:34:55.420
don't even want a lot of the things that they're calling for. And so we did a poll a year ago or so
00:35:02.460
where we asked people, likely voters, what they thought of socialism, for example, and a whole
00:35:06.860
bunch of other sort of authoritarian things related to socialism. And the majority of Democrats didn't
00:35:11.940
even support the vast majority of these things. Not even the majority of young Democrats in some cases
00:35:17.120
supported them. So this really is a fringe group within the Democratic Party that's driving the
00:35:22.880
agenda and the narrative. And they're able to do it because they control all these institutions in
00:35:27.900
society like the media, which is super dishonest and not telling people the truth about what this
00:35:33.140
fringe group really wants. Hollywood, the music industry, all of that stuff, their academia,
00:35:39.520
they're all in bed with each other. They're all pushing a much more radical agenda than they're
00:35:43.780
presenting to the public. And then you get people who just watch ABC News every night and all they
00:35:49.100
see are these little snippets of Donald Trump saying something that, you know, is oftentimes taken out
00:35:55.060
of context. It isn't said the best way that he possibly could or he's fighting with people or
00:35:59.760
whatever. And that's what they think politics is. And they're not even paying attention to what
00:36:04.240
many people on the left are trying to do. And we saw this with the Black Lives Matter movement.
00:36:09.300
Maybe this was the best example of it is how often were people on our side of the issue talking about
00:36:16.760
what the Black Lives Matters organizations were calling for and how radical it was? I mean,
00:36:22.120
really radical, extreme ideas. Right. But the media never talked about those things. They kept it to
00:36:29.060
whatever the most basic, simplistic thing it like we want racial equality. Well, yeah, I want racial
00:36:34.700
equality too. I want equal rights under the law. Who's opposed to that? But you don't want to abolish
00:36:40.880
prisons and abolish the police, which is what they were calling for. But you're right. I would say
00:36:49.000
a lot of outlets, a lot of outlets didn't want to say that because they know that criticizing an
00:36:54.980
organization like Black Lives Matter, you're going to be characterized as a racist, which is the worst
00:36:59.560
thing that you can be called. No one wants to be considered a racist. And so it's very clever,
00:37:05.880
these tactics of if you speak out against any part of this chaotic agenda, then it's actually
00:37:11.160
because you're a bigot and you're on the wrong side of history. And it's also interesting how they
00:37:15.920
point to the bombastic nature of Donald Trump, which he is bombastic in a lot of ways. You and I agree on
00:37:20.720
that. And they say this is what an authoritarian looks like. He has an authoritarian personality.
00:37:25.480
Meanwhile, the authoritarian policies are not coming from Donald Trump. The policies that are
00:37:31.300
really going to affect our lives that are more authoritarian in nature are coming mostly from
00:37:37.420
the other side of the aisle. Yeah. I mean, Donald Trump was called a fascist more times by people
00:37:44.820
who actually support fascism than anyone probably in history. It was unbelievable how often he would be
00:37:51.560
labeled a fascist. And then you say, well, what is it exactly that Donald Trump did that,
00:37:56.700
you know, was fascistic? I mean, what did he do that was evident of fascism? And people couldn't
00:38:02.520
even answer the question because the truth is they didn't have any clue why they even believe that he
00:38:07.580
was a fascist. Or they don't know. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead.
00:38:10.760
No, no, no. Then you had people actually calling for fascism to varying degrees without making those
00:38:16.380
same accusations. Right. We're not even realizing that they're they're actually fascist. It's
00:38:21.300
unbelievable. Well, there's certainly been a bait and switch. I realized, you know, when I ask people
00:38:25.840
who like message me on Instagram saying, oh, Donald Trump's a fascist. And I ask them why they
00:38:30.740
typically send me some kind of unsourced meme or like one sheet or that, I don't know, went around
00:38:36.600
on social media and they found or someone emailed to them or sent to them that, again, doesn't actually
00:38:40.580
have any basis in primary sources. But one of the things that is always sad is like putting your
00:38:47.280
country first, that nationalism is a form of fascism, I guess, because, you know, they see
00:38:55.640
Hitler as being a nationalist. But he wasn't. Hitler was an ethno nationalist. Obviously, he had other
00:39:02.700
very racist tendencies as well. But I think that that is also a product of American education and a
00:39:09.900
product of Barack Obama's presidency, that the idea of loving your country and putting the interests of
00:39:15.120
your country first is nationalistic, which in turn is evil and fascistic. And obviously, it's not like
00:39:25.080
if you put it on a smaller scale, someone who is the mayor of St. Louis saying, look, I think St.
00:39:32.120
Louis is the best city in the world. And I'm going to put the interest of St. Louis before I'm going to
00:39:38.620
care about the interest of Tulsa because that's not my job. I'm going to take care of the people
00:39:43.740
here. You wouldn't fault that mayor for being a fascist. You wouldn't say that they're crazy. No,
00:39:48.540
you would say, oh, they love their constituents. They love the people in their city. And yet,
00:39:53.780
because Donald Trump talked about America first and putting America first, I think people have
00:39:58.740
just been conditioned to believe that that is some like Nazi like idea. And that could not be further
00:40:05.780
from the truth. It's pretty crazy. Yeah, it is pretty crazy. And I think you're exactly right.
00:40:10.900
They equate that they create they equate nationalism or a love of your country with racism, with fascism,
00:40:19.660
with all of these things. Now, obviously, fascism, historically speaking, in the 20th century was
00:40:24.940
closely correlated with with nationalism, with ethno nationalism specifically. You're right.
00:40:30.160
There's no doubt about that at all. But they were also socialists, too. Yeah,
00:40:33.780
they were they weren't free market capitalists. They weren't libertarians. I mean, these people
00:40:38.720
were socialists. That's what made the fascism so dangerous is that they were using the power of
00:40:44.380
government to impose their will on everybody's life. That's what made them fascist. And Donald
00:40:49.760
Trump is not has never done that. I mean, the vast majority of his policies, not every policy has been
00:40:55.640
perfect, obviously, but the vast majority of his policies have reduced the size of government,
00:41:00.720
reduced the number of regulations, reduced the control of government in our lives, reduced tax
00:41:06.180
rates, etc. These are not fascistic in any sense of that word. But you're 100 percent right. What
00:41:14.240
the left has done is it's become predominantly a globalist movement. And anyone who is not globalist,
00:41:21.500
anyone who believes that America is a unique place, America is a special place, it's an exceptional
00:41:27.580
place. Or anyone who believes that Canada is a unique place and a special place and an exceptional
00:41:33.400
place or whatever is bad for the world. But the only way that we're ever going to solve all these big
00:41:39.400
challenges we have, especially climate change, that's the big one that they talk about all the time,
00:41:43.640
is if we're all working together. And by working together, they don't mean I freely as you know,
00:41:49.840
America freely decides what we're going to do, or me as an individual freely chooses what to do.
00:41:54.300
They mean work together by imposing their will on everyone who disagrees with them. That's what
00:41:59.980
they mean by that. And there's no doubt about it that that has been a key part of leftist thinking
00:42:05.900
for for a while now. But it's become it's ramped up ever since Barack Obama's become or became
00:42:11.220
president. Right. And I think a lot of us have felt that without actually being able to articulate
00:42:15.360
what's changed, what changed while Barack Obama was president, our country feels really different.
00:42:21.140
It felt really different when Barack Obama left than when he entered with race relations,
00:42:27.320
culturally, socially, politically, how people view America, patriotism dipped. Why is that? And it's,
00:42:34.740
you know, it's kind of come together and come into focus for me just in the last year, looking at this
00:42:41.380
election, a lot of things that were bubbling under the surface, while Barack Obama was president,
00:42:46.640
or the media didn't report on kind of came to blows over the past four years and really over
00:42:52.140
over the past year. I would love for you to talk really quickly about Agenda 2030 and what that has
00:42:59.200
to do with all of this. Right. So so Agenda 2030 is sustained. It's also referred to as sustainable
00:43:06.540
development goals. And what they are essentially are the United Nations produced these goals for what the
00:43:14.140
world should accomplish by XYZ date. They've done this in the past in this particular iteration.
00:43:20.400
It's by 2030. They'll have other agendas in the future where they'll talk about 2040 or 2050 or
00:43:26.300
whatever. And essentially what it is, is it's predominantly leftist goals. It's a lot of wealth
00:43:32.640
equality. It's some of it is stuff that most of us would agree with. Like we want women to be paid
00:43:38.440
fairly and, you know, stuff that's that's not controversial. We want people to have free speech.
00:43:43.000
We don't want religious suppression. But then there's all sorts of leftist goals built into
00:43:47.740
it as well. The way that Agenda 2030 and the sustainable development goals fit into all of
00:43:53.800
this stuff that we're seeing with the Great Reset is that the primary part of the Great Reset that
00:43:59.380
deals specifically with how we're going to change businesses, this thing called ESG standards,
00:44:04.780
environmental, social governance standards. They want to create this whole new system for
00:44:09.700
reevaluating businesses. And that system would give a score, an actual numerical score to businesses
00:44:16.500
based on how good they are at achieving left wing goals, along with how good they are at making money
00:44:22.300
and doing all sorts of other things. Right. That's how they would evaluate these businesses.
00:44:25.100
And a lot of those ESG standards are built around the sustainable development goals. So what they're
00:44:31.080
trying to do is find a way to get businesses on board with sustainable development and sort of coerce
00:44:38.820
them in some cases, force them outright in other cases to become leftist institutions essentially so
00:44:46.300
that all international corporations all over the world are required to become part of the leftist
00:44:53.320
movement through this ESG system that they want to build. And again, there's some disagreement about
00:44:58.900
how they would go about doing it. Right now, there's all sorts of global corporations that have
00:45:03.540
already started using ESG standards. Right. Right. And you can really see the desire to crush small
00:45:12.380
businesses and to kind of transfer that business to, you know, companies like Amazon to big tech to
00:45:20.180
these other major corporations, because if you are betting on or you're depending on compliance for this
00:45:30.840
agenda 2030 to work, then it's much easier to do if you've got a few big major corporations
00:45:36.600
that are aligned in your social and political goals than trying to manage all of these small
00:45:41.480
businesses. And you can see how really they can kind of circumvent the government in this. Like it
00:45:48.380
really it doesn't really matter if you have if we technically have a First Amendment, if we've got
00:45:54.720
these companies that are all in charge that are limiting what we can read, what we can buy,
00:45:59.660
what we can say, who are saying that, you know, we're not going to process gun sales, for example,
00:46:05.360
or like banks, certain banks are doing that. Or if they're saying, you know, we're not going to
00:46:10.560
distribute this kind of book or we're not going to publish this kind of science. We already see some
00:46:15.640
of that happening or you're not going to be able to shop with us if you espouse these kinds of views
00:46:20.540
publicly. It really doesn't matter if you have a First and Second Amendment, if you are not even able to
00:46:25.220
engage in the public sector or in in polite society or you're not able to engage economically,
00:46:30.920
you're basically, you know, economically forced into compliance in the name of the common good.
00:46:38.820
There's a lot of evil done in the name of the common good. And this a lot of this seems seems like
00:46:44.700
seems like that. OK, is there is there anything that you can leave us with? Is there any optimism,
00:46:51.440
any hope in this? Like, can we push back at all and also tell people, you know, where they can find
00:46:58.440
you and follow you and all of that good stuff? Sure. So I think that if we're going to take
00:47:03.400
anything positive away from this at all, it's that the fact that we're having this conversation
00:47:08.680
is a very, very good thing. And then that's the thing that's going to stop this great reset from
00:47:13.680
happening. Every piece of evidence that I've seen polling results, et cetera, show very clearly that
00:47:19.060
most people don't want this, not at least in America. It's just they don't know what it is.
00:47:23.820
They don't they don't even know how to identify it. And if so, if we can talk to each other about
00:47:28.580
it and if your audience can talk to the people that they know about it, then we can stop it
00:47:32.920
because politicians at the end of the day want to win elections more than they want anything else,
00:47:37.520
including the great reset. So if we can just get people to realize that that's the situation and
00:47:42.460
talk to their neighbors and their friends and the old lady on the bus about it, then we can actually
00:47:46.960
stop this just through a public education campaign. And and of course, we're going to have to win
00:47:51.320
some elections in the future, too. But I think that's a big part of it. People who are interested
00:47:55.560
in learning more about my work can find me on social media on basically every platform you can
00:48:00.400
imagine at Justin T. Haskins. And of course, they can go to stopping socialism dot com and the
00:48:05.240
heartland dot org and find all sorts of my material and work from people who are closely
00:48:10.180
alive with me as well. Justin, thank you so much. This has been so enlightening. I would love to have
00:48:15.540
you back on soon because there are a lot more questions that I have for you. And this has been
00:48:21.020
very, very helpful. So thank you so much. Anytime, Allie. Great.
00:48:29.680
Guys, I hope that you enjoyed that conversation. So I didn't have time to to say this in the interview,
00:48:36.120
but I was thinking towards the end there just how important when we're talking about pushing back
00:48:41.300
against a global agenda that a lot of us disagree with, that is talking about threatening and tearing
00:48:48.280
down not just the institutions that we hold dear, but also our individual rights. Things like
00:48:54.320
individual liberty, like the Second Amendment, like the First Amendment really get in the way of this kind
00:49:00.400
of top down control. It gets in the way of this kind of agenda. The family gets in the way of this
00:49:06.640
kind of agenda because if you are receiving your values and your protection and your provision from
00:49:12.920
a small family unit, then you are less likely to depend on the state. And the more state dependents
00:49:18.920
they have, the more government dependents they have, the easier it is for them to get governments and for
00:49:24.520
them to get people to comply, for them to kind of conglomerate all of their power to be able to advance the
00:49:32.160
agendas that they want to advance. That's why conservatism and conserving the family and conserving
00:49:37.900
individual liberty and conserving our constitutional values and the rule of law, faith, religious liberty
00:49:46.420
that allows us to practice our faith freely. That is why we stand as an obstacle to rampant leftism.
00:49:56.040
And Christianity in particular has been a thorn in the side of tyrants since the beginning of our
00:50:04.140
founding, not because we're always political revolutionaries, because we reject the idea that
00:50:10.020
we belong to the state. We reject this idea that a government, either a state government, a national
00:50:15.960
government, or a global government gives us our rights and therefore can arbitrarily take away our
00:50:21.760
rights. That we are ultimately and consistently, moment by moment, beholden to the King of Kings.
00:50:28.400
That doesn't mean that we flout all laws. That doesn't mean that we ignore earthly authorities,
00:50:32.740
knowing that according to Romans 13, they were instituted by God. And we have an obligation,
00:50:37.520
according to God, to submit to them insofar as that doesn't cause us to sin. But whether or not we
00:50:43.720
have a First Amendment, Christians are going to share the gospel. Whether or not we have a First Amendment,
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we are still going to worship the Lord. Whether or not we have sanctioned familial and parental rights,
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according to the government, we are still going to form families in accordance to how the Bible tells us
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to form families. It doesn't matter whether or not we are allowed to be hospitable or whether or not we
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are allowed to be generous. According to the government, we are going to be hospitable and we are going to be
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generous to our neighbor because the Lord calls us to do those things. And as long as there are people
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that are appealing to an authority that is higher than the government, it's going to make these
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authoritarians very mad. It's going to make the agenda a lot harder. And so our resistance to things
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like this doesn't necessarily look like protests. It doesn't always necessarily look like calling your
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senator or your representative, although I think that's very good. We live in a country where we are free
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to do that still, right now at least, and that's wonderful. But it also just means living your life
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in what is now considered or what will soon be considered, I think, a radical way. Loving God,
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loving your neighbor, and loving family. Submitting to God as the ruler and as the authority of the
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universe, realizing that you are beholden to Him, that you are going to stand before Him one day,
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that He will one day rule in totality. And that at the end of the day, that is who we must fear and
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that is who we must follow. And so that looks like living your life moment by moment, even in what seems
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like the dreary seasons of life or the monotonous moments of your day in submission to Christ and
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obeying Him in everything you do. As a mom, as a wife, as a friend, as a church member, as an employee,
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glorifying Christ in everything that we do and submitting to His authority in everything we think,
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say, and do is the best resistance to tyranny that we can possibly do. That's what Christians have been
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doing since our founding. And that is how we have been so annoying and agitating to tyrants and dictators
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for thousands and thousands of years. And may we press on for the glory of Christ. Okay, that's all
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I've got today. I hope that that at least gave you a little bit of knowledge of what the Great Reset is.
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I know it's, you know, there's a lot of craziness out there and a lot of confusion out there, and we
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really just scratched the surface, but I hope it enlightened you a little bit. And I hope to have
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left you with some equipment and encouragement as we are waiting in this chaotic and crazy world.