Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 348 ｜ The Right's Riot & Where We Go from Here

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. Hope everyone is having a good day. So today is

00:00:06.920 once again going to be a long and full episode. No rest for the weary. There is a lot to talk

00:00:14.640 about, a lot of difficult things to talk about. I am going to spend the first half of the episode,

00:00:21.280 maybe the first quarter, I don't know how long it's going to take me, delivering a monologue.

00:00:25.980 So typically I don't, you know, write things out verbatim and then say them to you. I kind of

00:00:33.760 riff or I extemporaneously add commentary and analysis. But today I want to make sure

00:00:41.400 that I say exactly what I intend to say. So I'm going to do my best at giving you my perspective

00:00:52.140 on some of the events that have unfolded this week. But then the second half of this episode,

00:00:58.020 I am going to talk to fellow Blaze TV host, Steve Dace. Steve has a different perspective

00:01:03.260 than I do in some ways on this. We agree on a lot. We agree on a lot of fundamental issues.

00:01:09.260 I really respect Steve so much. And I think you are really going to, I know that you're really

00:01:14.320 going to enjoy his commentary and analysis because he's really on fire about everything

00:01:19.460 that has happened, but he and I are going to disagree on some things. He's going to give

00:01:24.040 a different perspective than the one I have on some issues. And I'll let you decide. I'll let you

00:01:28.320 listen and you decide where you fall on all of this. First, I am going to lay out as clearly and as

00:01:35.360 thoroughly as I can, what I see and what I now know in light of what happened yesterday.

00:01:54.820 Yesterday, Congress convened to confirm the results of the election. Each state sends their

00:02:00.580 electoral votes in both the House and the Senate read and either agree to these results or object.

00:02:06.720 This is normally nothing more than a formal, ceremonial, uncontroversial process. But this

00:02:13.680 year, several congressmen, as we talked about earlier this week, like Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley and others

00:02:19.640 vowed to object to the results of the election in several states due to voting irregularities and

00:02:26.940 allegations of voter fraud. Other senators and representatives like Tom Cotton of Arkansas and

00:02:33.160 Chip Roy of Texas were outspoken about their refusal to object to the results, arguing that it is not

00:02:39.260 their constitutional duty to do so. The states decide the election, they said. And even if the

00:02:45.540 allegations of fraud were true, they wouldn't represent enough of a change to switch the results

00:02:52.060 of the presidential election. So needless to say, this was going to be a very contentious day

00:02:58.280 yesterday. Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley and other Congress people were going to lay out their case

00:03:03.260 for objecting to the results in these states, lay out the accusations of fraud, try to convince other

00:03:09.980 members of their chamber to at least hold off on confirming the results until there was a more thorough

00:03:16.320 investigation. Donald Trump had also been trying to tell Mike Pence, who, as the vice president,

00:03:23.100 presides over this ceremony, over this convention, to also reject the results of the election.

00:03:30.300 But yesterday, Pence released a statement saying this. Here are some excerpts from the statement that

00:03:37.200 he published. Today, for the 59th time in our nation's history, Congress will convene in joint

00:03:42.580 session to count the electoral votes for president of the United States. Under our constitution,

00:03:47.920 it will be my duty as vice president and as president of the Senate to serve as the presiding

00:03:53.280 officer. Our founders created the Electoral College in 1787, and it first convened in 1789.

00:04:00.520 With the advent of political parties, the Electoral College was amended in 1804 to provide that electors

00:04:06.160 vote separately for the president and the vice president. Following a contentious election in 1876,

00:04:12.300 with widespread allegations of fraud and malfeasance, Congress spent a decade establishing

00:04:17.480 rules and procedures to govern the counting of electoral votes and the resolution of any

00:04:22.120 objections. During the 130 years since the Electoral Count Act was passed, Congress has,

00:04:27.800 without exception, used these formal procedures to count the electoral votes every four years.

00:04:33.200 Our founders were deeply skeptical of concentrations of power and created a republic based on separation of

00:04:39.140 powers and checks and balances under the Constitution of the United States. It is my considered judgment

00:04:45.260 that my oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to

00:04:52.120 determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not. He said he supports congressmen

00:04:59.480 bringing their case forward, but he would not be playing an active role in this. Meanwhile,

00:05:05.520 Trump held a rally in D.C. where he talked for over an hour, mostly about the unfairness of the election

00:05:12.840 in voter fraud. He has claimed repeatedly, as you guys know, that he actually won in a landslide

00:05:18.680 had it not been for pervasive fraud, especially in the swing states. From the testimonies of people who

00:05:26.080 were there, most who attended felt that it was an uplifting from their perspective and unifying

00:05:32.440 rally while Trump was speaking and before Trump was speaking. And they said that they didn't feel

00:05:37.500 any sense of tension or violence whatsoever. However, there were at least 250 demonstrators

00:05:43.980 who stormed the Capitol, some of whom broke through the windows and made their way

00:05:48.580 into the building. Here are some video clips of that.

00:05:53.520 There were people in the Senate chamber, in the House chamber, in Nancy Pelosi's office. Now,

00:06:18.700 some people were saying that these were not Trump supporters, but rather were members of Antifa

00:06:24.220 posing as MAGA supporters. This is actually very similar to the argument that was made by people

00:06:30.080 like Joy Reid on MSNBC, who claimed that the left-wing violence by Antifa and Black Lives Matter was

00:06:36.200 actually waged by Trump supporters disguised as leftists in cities across the country. We really don't have

00:06:42.480 much evidence of these things in either case. Yes, anything is possible. And there was a report by

00:06:49.100 the Washington Times that apparently there is a software that matched the faces of demonstrators

00:06:54.700 in the Capitol to people participating in Antifa riots in Philadelphia. But there is no indication that

00:07:02.020 there was this large swath of left-wing agitators posing as Trump supporters, just as there is no

00:07:08.220 evidence of right-wingers dressing up as Antifa and BLM protesters and burning down Minneapolis.

00:07:15.100 There is a tweet that if you're watching this on YouTube, I will put up on the screen that tries

00:07:20.800 to claim that this guy that you see with his headdress who broke into the Capitol is actually

00:07:25.860 some BLM supporter. The tweet is saying that here he was in the same outfit at a BLM rally in June in

00:07:33.120 Arizona. But thankfully, someone shared the entire picture. And if you look at the whole picture,

00:07:38.520 you will see that he is holding a QAnon sign, which, if you don't know, is a conspiracy theory

00:07:45.120 that some Trump supporters, not a large number, but some Trump supporters follow, which asserts,

00:07:50.320 among many other things, that Donald Trump is the chosen one to take down the global elites.

00:07:55.780 And here is this guy also in Phoenix holding a sign that says, hold the line, patriots,

00:08:01.240 God wins. His name is apparently Jake Angeli. Some people have pointed out that he may be an actor,

00:08:08.600 maybe so, but that doesn't mean that he is secretly a leftist poser. Then you've got this guy whom people

00:08:15.700 are saying, and again, this is up on the screen if you're watching on YouTube, whom people are saying

00:08:19.960 is Antifa, because there is a picture that looks like him on an Antifa website,

00:08:25.220 Philly, Antifa. Number one, I don't think that that is the same person. And number two,

00:08:31.660 even if it is, the picture on the Antifa website is not of an Antifa member, but rather a guy that

00:08:38.340 they tried to expose and call out as this loud and proud member of various neo-Nazi groups.

00:08:44.840 So we have to own this for what it seems to be, for what we know, Trump supporters who feel that

00:08:52.580 the election has been stolen from them and that their only recourse is to storm the Capitol and try

00:08:58.840 to show Congress that they mean business. As they were breaking into the Capitol, the Congress people

00:09:04.700 stopped convening. They were made safe. The Capitol went on lockdown. The National Guard was called in.

00:09:11.540 Tear gas was deployed. And tragically, tragically, a woman by the name of Ashley Babbitt,

00:09:18.660 Trump supporter, an Air Force veteran was shot. It looks like in the neck by allegedly, we're not

00:09:25.960 totally for sure, a police officer, Capitol Police. She later died from that injury. We don't know the

00:09:33.720 exact details of this, why she was shot, what exactly was going on, but she was. At least three other

00:09:40.440 people have reportedly died in all of this chaos as well. So lives were lost. Destruction and chaos were

00:09:48.580 wrought. And we witnessed for the first time in our modern history, a refusal to peacefully transfer

00:09:54.680 power that I believe was at least implicitly and in part encouraged by Trump's insistence that this

00:10:01.480 was a totally illegitimate election and that voters have been completely 100% disenfranchised. Now,

00:10:09.060 I know that that is going to make some people angry me saying that. So let me say there were seeming

00:10:16.340 voting irregularities. There were compelling testimonies by witnesses of fraud. There was a

00:10:22.540 failure to follow election law in places like Pennsylvania. That's a fact. There was more effort

00:10:28.180 that probably could have been made to ensure trust in the election process in places like Georgia. I say

00:10:34.820 the same thing about investigation into voter fraud that I said at the beginning of the investigation

00:10:41.900 into Russian, uh, into Russian, uh, Russian collusion, uh, with the Trump campaign. I want the truth.

00:10:48.720 I want the integrity of our elections. No matter the outcome, I would rather lose and be able to trust

00:10:56.160 that we have a free and fair process than to win in an unfair rigged system. I support the investigations.

00:11:04.180 I appreciate the legal fights that have been fought, the questions that have been raised, the criticism

00:11:10.940 that has been leveled against some state officials. But so far there hasn't been evidence of the kind of

00:11:18.900 fraud that would result, uh, in the change of the outcome of the presidential election. Remember in the

00:11:28.900 contested states like Arizona, like Nevada, like Georgia and others, other Republicans won their

00:11:35.340 statewide races on the same ballot that Trump was on. So the courts spoke, the states spoke, the electors

00:11:43.560 spoke. And if it hadn't been for the violent disruption at the Capitol yesterday, Congress members

00:11:49.460 on both sides of this issue would have been able to speak to, we would have been able to hear the case

00:11:55.060 and the rest of Congress would have been able to as well. Take a moment to realize just how many

00:12:01.100 barriers, protections, and systems are in place in this country to expose and oppose fraud when it

00:12:08.160 comes to our elections. It is not a perfect system. And there is no doubt in my mind that corruption

00:12:14.280 exists, but thankfully our founders and early Americans helped ensure accountability was in place

00:12:23.000 in many ways. Again, maybe not in all ways, but in many ways. But the president feels that he cannot

00:12:30.140 lose. And that is one thing that a lot of people love about him. That is why he won the primary in

00:12:35.660 2016, something I did not understand then. That is why he beat Hillary Clinton. That is why he got a lot

00:12:42.140 of good stuff done while he was president. But it is also why he won't let go now. And he doesn't want

00:12:48.060 his supporters to either. In 2016, Trump tapped into a real sincere sense of disenfranchisement that

00:12:55.340 millions of Americans felt and still feel today that they have been forgotten about by the people

00:13:00.680 in power. They have been sold out by the elites. Their jobs were outsourced to China by both the

00:13:05.660 Republicans and the Democrats. Their values have been demeaned by politicians as Bible thumping and gun

00:13:12.040 grabbing. The media, Hollywood, big tech, and even their own party in D.C. all want to silence them.

00:13:18.320 And many of these people truly see Trump as their only hope. They're not as concerned with

00:13:23.880 conservatism or the Republican Party nearly as much as they are concerned with maintaining Trump's

00:13:30.420 power because they really see him as some sort of savior. So you can imagine possibly the mentality of

00:13:38.540 some of the people who resorted to what I believe is an egregious act of storming the Capitol.

00:13:45.100 I'm not claiming to know everyone's motivation because I don't, but I have a good feeling that

00:13:50.900 was the case for a lot of people participating. And all of that can be true and understood,

00:13:56.640 and it should be understood, by the way, despite the media's absolute refusal to do so.

00:14:02.740 And we can still say no. Breaking into our nation's Capitol isn't the answer. Violence and rioting

00:14:09.840 aren't the answer. Assaulting law enforcement officers is not the answer. There was nothing

00:14:15.840 about what happened yesterday that will end in any sort of benefit for the country. In fact,

00:14:21.500 I think what we can expect to see from the now Democrat-controlled Congress and White House

00:14:27.840 is a crackdown on the First Amendment in the name of public safety. These are some of the same people

00:14:34.340 who condemned Black Lives Matter for looting and rioting last year. They condemned their mantras,

00:14:40.260 no justice, no peace, and riots are the voice of the unheard. And now they are basically echoing the

00:14:45.820 same sentiments by saying that violence is the only way to get their point across. It's the only way to

00:14:50.680 make the change that they want. No, I rejected that nonsense when BLM and Antifa were saying it.

00:14:56.260 I reject it now. There are legal means by which we can fight for election integrity. People have

00:15:02.800 been doing it for the past two months. There are ways to make your voice heard. There are ways to

00:15:09.020 make change that doesn't involve what we saw yesterday. I am one small person with one small

00:15:14.520 sphere of influence. And just by talking a few hours every week, I, by the grace of God, have been able

00:15:21.440 to change people's minds on certain important issues. Do not act like speaking up doesn't work.

00:15:27.580 I've seen it work. Don't act like changing the conversation in your home, at your school, your job,

00:15:34.000 in your church has no effect on where this country is headed. No, in fact, in fact, it is because

00:15:41.280 conservatives have ceded ground in all of those spheres that we are where we are today.

00:15:47.440 We have ceded ground culturally for years, if not decades, and now we're frustrated we don't have

00:15:53.920 as much influence. So people say violence is the only answer. No. Conservatives sat back as we heard

00:16:01.420 kooky professors sympathize with communism, pastors start preaching extra biblical social justice

00:16:07.140 theology, public schools indoctrinating our kids with postmodern nonsense, movies and TV shows,

00:16:12.320 glamorizing every kind of moral degeneracy, our language being completely ripped apart,

00:16:18.640 deconstructed by hyper-political correctness. And we said, oh, this is fine. That's just secularism

00:16:24.480 for you. That's the world for you. And now we want to be mad and say that our only option is rioting?

00:16:30.860 Sorry. No. Take back the culture by taking back the conversation. Start standing up where you see

00:16:38.220 progressivism taking root in your own life around you. Speak up to your school board. Speak up to

00:16:43.800 your friends. Have a conversation with your pastor and your elders. Call your representatives. Refuse to

00:16:49.600 bend your language. Stop giving money to colleges indoctrinating your kids. Let's not act like all of

00:16:55.520 us have exhausted every legal recourse to counteract what we see as the dangers of progressivism and that

00:17:04.300 now we are forced to resort to the same kind of violence that we have been condemning for the past

00:17:09.520 few months. I just refuse to get on board with that. And speaking of that, speaking of that,

00:17:16.880 now here's where I make some other people mad. Everyone should have been condemning the violence

00:17:24.220 that has gone on in this country since May in a way that we have not seen in a very long time.

00:17:28.780 Similar to the violence that occurred in 2015 in Ferguson. Let me be clear. The people who are

00:17:36.260 condemning and calling out people storming the Capitol this week, which is right for them to

00:17:41.580 call that out, but they had nothing to say when Black Lives Matter and Antifa were burning down

00:17:46.820 cities, were looting innocent people's businesses, making economic recovery in already poor communities

00:17:52.860 impossible in a pandemic, assaulting people, murdering people, including Black adults and

00:17:58.600 children like former police chief David Dorn, eight-year-old Sequoria Turner in Atlanta, and

00:18:03.040 16-year-old Antonio Mays in Seattle, all murdered by Black Lives Matter demonstrators, have no right to

00:18:09.520 talk now. Either be consistent in this or be quiet in this. In Portland, a guy who called himself

00:18:16.580 100% Antifa, murdered in cold-blooded Trump supporter. These people, along with radical portions

00:18:23.380 of BLM, not all of BLM, of course, but radical portions of BLM set fire to Kenosha, to Minneapolis,

00:18:30.280 rioted in New York City, set up an entire zone in Seattle where violence, murder, and sexual assault

00:18:35.380 occurred in Portland, even in parts of Denver, Austin, LA. And the media not only ignored it, but they

00:18:42.920 excused it. Here is Chris Cuomo a few months ago talking about some of these BLM Antifa protests.

00:18:51.620 And please, show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful.

00:18:56.500 He is right in that protesters don't have to be polite to have their speech be protected. That's

00:19:02.660 why the First Amendment exists. But yes, protesters are supposed to be peaceful on either side of the

00:19:09.040 aisle. The problem with the riots and looting across the country, the problem with yesterday

00:19:15.100 wasn't a lack of decorum. It was violence. Here are some clips as a reminder of what happened over

00:19:22.420 the past few months in several cities across the country. And here is a picture of DC, our nation's

00:19:44.720 Capitol literally up in flames back in May after the George Floyd riots. The same media who are now

00:19:53.460 rightfully freaking out over the storming of the Capitol, which I've already established is

00:19:59.900 inexcusable, thought that all of that that was happening that has been happening for months was

00:20:05.800 fine, at least not worth criticizing. And what we were told and what I'm still being told was that

00:20:11.940 that is fine because of systemic racism and police brutality. That is a sorry excuse. Because of

00:20:19.420 systemic racism and police brutality, it's okay to burn down a police station, to burn down a car repair

00:20:25.600 shop, burning an innocent person to death. It's okay to ruin people's lives and livelihoods. What awful

00:20:32.160 reasoning. Not just because the means are not justified, but also because the stated cause of these

00:20:37.940 riots is fraught with deceit manipulation and misinformation, as we have talked about in detail

00:20:43.660 many times on this show. You cannot say that you're okay with violence when it comes to causes that you

00:20:49.400 agree with and not okay with it when it comes to causes you don't agree with. You can't call that

00:20:54.760 fighting systemic racism and what happened yesterday, domestic terrorism. They are both acts of terrorizing

00:21:00.940 the country. Both sides think that they are fighting for liberation in some way. In reality,

00:21:06.780 both have waged destruction. If you cannot be consistent on this, again, be quiet on this.

00:21:14.140 People are going to tell you, and that's whataboutism to point that out, even that it's your

00:21:19.200 quote, white privilege talking. That is very typical and common nonsense to try to shut down your

00:21:25.040 argument without actually engaging with it. Whataboutism is ignoring or dismissing one problem by pointing

00:21:31.340 out another? That is certainly not what we're doing here. We are very clearly acknowledging the

00:21:36.620 gravity and the wrongness of one issue and pointing out the hypocrisy of condemning it while refusing

00:21:43.120 to condemn an equivalent problem, a similar problem on the other side. And those who are saying that this

00:21:49.180 is white privilege or just white supremacy are, again, ignoring the destruction that we have seen in

00:21:55.220 cities across the country waged by people who do not possess this so-called white privilege, damaging

00:22:00.940 both federal and private property, many who did so with impunity. It is also not a valid argument

00:22:08.220 to say that every conservative or everyone who voted for Trump or everyone who has had questions about

00:22:14.860 voter fraud brought the chaos to the Capitol or that they are complicit in it without applying that same

00:22:23.440 kind of logic to you and the left-wing riots that occurred in exclusively Democratic cities that were

00:22:29.880 never caught out by name by prominent Democrats and liberals the way that yesterday was condemned by

00:22:34.980 most prominent Republicans and conservatives. So do you, as a liberal, count yourself as complicit in

00:22:41.160 the burning of Kenosha and Minneapolis and the left-wing riots across the country? Do you share the blame

00:22:46.300 for the murder of Sequoia Turner in Atlanta or Antonio Mays in Seattle or the Trump supporter in Portland?

00:22:51.940 Or how about the Democrat who a few years ago shot and almost murdered Republican lawmakers

00:22:56.360 at a baseball field in D.C. based on something that he had heard Bernie Sanders say about Republicans

00:23:01.380 taking away health care? I didn't think so. And there are Democratic lawmakers who excused the

00:23:08.560 violence that has been happening by left-wing rioters over the past few weeks, members of the squad

00:23:14.480 who said there's going to be unrest in the streets as long as there is unrest in their lives.

00:23:18.800 They excused that. They condoned that. Many of them glorified that. Did you blame Obama for inciting

00:23:25.480 the violence in Ferguson? I didn't think so. I don't either, by the way. I'm just asking for consistency

00:23:32.400 here. Vox.com in September of 2016 wrote a piece on left-wing riots titled,

00:23:39.920 Riots are destructive, dangerous, and scary, but can lead to serious social reforms to prevent more violent

00:23:45.320 uprisings and protests. We need to take their causes seriously. Yesterday, Vox wrote,

00:23:51.580 every person who forced their way into the Capitol should be arrested. Lock them all up.

00:23:56.640 I happen to agree with the second headline, but media outlets like Vox and even Kamala Harris herself

00:24:02.400 have been encouraging people to fund the bail of rioters who set fires to buildings that killed people

00:24:09.240 across the country. Yesterday was a terrible day for our Republic. I cannot say that any more clearly

00:24:17.320 how strongly I condemn the violence that happened at our nation's Capitol and how thankful I am

00:24:22.880 for the good and responsible law enforcement officers that were there and acted in a way that was

00:24:28.980 courageous. But some of us have been talking about the evils of political violence a lot longer than

00:24:35.560 24 hours. We have also pointed out that, unfortunately, when you lock people inside

00:24:40.860 their homes for months, when you take away their livelihoods, their normalcy, their ability to

00:24:46.100 engage in corporate worship, to have community, to go to school, all things that people can with

00:24:51.120 precautions do safely right now. While you, the people placing these restrictions on people,

00:24:57.680 flout the rules and go to political rallies and vacation and eat at fancy restaurants,

00:25:03.200 you will drive people on the left and the right to the brink. And there is no doubt that that has

00:25:13.320 helped contribute to the unrest that we have been seeing. And when people feel that there is nowhere

00:25:19.820 that they can go for truth, that no one is telling them what's really going on, that no one is standing

00:25:24.460 up for them again on the left or the right, that everyone is out to get them and is hiding reality from

00:25:29.700 them. As so many in the mainstream media actually do, you're going to get a bunch of paranoid people

00:25:35.540 that do really stupid and moral things. We have seen it. It's not an excuse. People should make

00:25:42.160 better choices. But it is unfortunately exactly what happens. It is human nature. And this is tragically

00:25:48.880 not going to stop until, it's not going to stop when Trump leaves, even when he stops,

00:25:55.320 even when he stops kind of making these rants that he has been making that has riled people up.

00:26:01.660 It is only going to stop when people do some self-reflection, when the media stop ramping up

00:26:08.780 the resentment and the violence by always and unconditionally condemning one side and exonerating

00:26:15.200 the other, which drives people either to the offense or the defense. But instead, you have people

00:26:21.280 like Anderson Cooper yesterday saying that all the protesters are just going to need to go back to

00:26:27.120 Olive Garden and Holiday Inn. You don't see that that is the exact elitism that people are angry

00:26:34.460 about that drove people into the arms of Trump. He didn't just take, Anderson Cooper didn't just take

00:26:39.260 a shot at the violent thugs and rioters at the Capitol. He took a shot intentionally at the entire

00:26:44.040 middle class, Mr. Heir to the Vanderbilt fortune. Give me a break. It is also not going to stop until

00:26:51.820 people on both sides realize that the government is not going to save you. It can do a lot to hurt

00:26:58.140 you. It can't do a lot to help you. It's not your Messiah. Trump is not your Messiah. AOC and the

00:27:03.500 Democrats are not your Messiah. The government is not your savior. It does not make a worthy idol.

00:27:09.360 It is important to care about justice and freedom. It is important to speak up about the issues.

00:27:14.040 That you care about whether I agree with them or not. But man, it is not worth the chaos being

00:27:20.560 waged right now. It is accomplishing nothing. Both sides need to realize that no justice, no peace

00:27:27.100 is an awful slogan because everyone's definition of justice is different right now. So what that

00:27:32.720 translates to is constant violence and chaos. There are people on both ends of this political

00:27:39.580 spectrum that want war, that want anarchy, that want to go scorched earth so they can see who ends

00:27:46.840 up on top. My goodness, I do not want that. I guarantee you an evil foreign power will take

00:27:53.820 over before we actually ever get there. I am willing to come together on the things that we can come

00:27:58.880 together on. I'm not going to compromise on my values. I'm not going to pretend to not be strong on the

00:28:04.480 circumstances that I'm sure about. But I have always, I've always made clear that I have never

00:28:09.860 hated someone because we disagree. We have to detach disagreement from hate if we want to be able

00:28:16.680 to move forward in any way. Congress has now reconvened. They reconvened last night. Here is a short

00:28:23.640 excerpt of the opening speech from Mike Pence after all this chaos.

00:28:27.860 The elected representatives of the people of the United States have assembled again on the very same

00:28:37.300 day to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. So may God bless the lost,

00:28:46.800 the injured, and the heroes forged on this day. May God bless all who serve here

00:28:54.860 and those who protect this place and those who protect this place. And may God bless the United

00:29:00.660 States of America. And here's a bit from Mitch McConnell. We will not be kept out of this chamber

00:29:08.420 by thugs, mobs, or threats. We will not bow to lawlessness or intimidation.

00:29:19.840 We are back at our posts. We will discharge our duty under the Constitution

00:29:26.540 and for our nation. And we're going to do it tonight.

00:29:33.500 So now they have to get to work. They have to actually do the people's business,

00:29:37.640 which unfortunately a lot of people in Congress don't actually do. They do their own business and

00:29:42.200 the business of special interests. I would love to see a change there. Republicans have their work

00:29:47.900 cut out for them to try to oppose radical leftist legislation in Congress. Because guess what?

00:29:53.600 In case you forgot, Democrats have Congress and the White House and the legislation they want to

00:29:59.320 pass is going to have a real negative effect on your life and freedom. Pay attention. The midterms

00:30:04.820 will be here in two years before you know it. Now is not the time to be apathetic and ignorant.

00:30:08.800 And most of all, guys, what I said on Tuesday, without knowing what would unfold this week,

00:30:15.300 is true. 2021 does not guarantee better days just because 2020 was bad. Christ guarantees a better

00:30:23.420 way. As we repeat so often on this podcast, He is our peace. He is our hope. We are not going to

00:30:29.720 get our utopia in this life. Jesus promises to come back, to rule in perfect peace. There will be a new

00:30:37.680 heavens and a new earth. We won't have political violence anymore. We won't have elections anymore.

00:30:42.340 We won't have politics. We won't have disagreements. We won't have contention. We won't have sickness or

00:30:46.960 sorrow or sadness or despair or disappointment. We will be eternally in perfect peace and in joy.

00:30:53.000 There will be people that we disagreed with here on earth in heaven with us, and we won't care

00:30:58.200 because the love of Christ and the worship of Christ is going to so envelop our minds that that's all

00:31:04.080 that we will be deriving our feelings from, our happiness from, our peace from. And that is what

00:31:10.300 we have to look forward to. That doesn't mean that we don't care about what happens here on earth.

00:31:13.540 That doesn't mean that we don't fight for the things that are truly good and right and true

00:31:17.840 on earth and in this life. But we have to remember what is important and who we ultimately bow down to

00:31:25.060 and what our role is and where our true peace and joy and anticipation comes from.

00:31:31.840 All right. Now we are going to talk to my friend, Steve Dace. Like I said, he's got a different

00:31:38.720 perspective on some of this, and then I'll have a closer after our interview.

00:31:44.980 Steve, thank you so much for joining me. Can you first tell everyone about your show,

00:31:55.460 where you can watch it, listen to it, what you talk about, all that good stuff?

00:32:00.940 We are noon to two Eastern here on Blaze TV, right after Glenn Beck. If you're a Blaze TV subscriber,

00:32:06.840 you can subscribe using Allie or my last name, Dace, as a promo code to get a discounted

00:32:12.180 subscription at blazetv.com. You can also just subscribe to the podcast. We're on iTunes,

00:32:18.380 Stitcher, Amazon, Spotify. Just look for my name, D-E-A-C-E.

00:32:23.480 Awesome. I've been following all of your commentary, obviously for a very long time,

00:32:27.960 but specifically in relation to this election, election fraud, you and I did election night

00:32:33.500 commentary together. And you've been talking a lot also about what happened yesterday or what was

00:32:39.160 going to happen yesterday on January 6th with Congress either objecting to or confirming the

00:32:46.600 electoral votes in regards to the presidential election. Can you tell me a little bit about

00:32:51.900 your perspective on the back and forth between Republican senators and congressmen, some like

00:32:59.720 Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley, who said we're going to object to the electoral results because of fraud,

00:33:04.420 and then others like Chip Roy and Tom Cotton saying, no, we're not going to object because

00:33:09.800 it's not our constitutional duty to do so. Where do you land in all of that?

00:33:14.900 I think that I used this phrase when I talked about it on my show, Allie, quoting the scriptures,

00:33:21.300 the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, meaning that if we need to heal, if we're hungry,

00:33:27.240 if we thirst, it requires work. To make those things occur in order to meet real human needs,

00:33:33.060 that takes precedent over even one of the commandments, holy writ. Jesus made that clear

00:33:38.580 to see those commandments in their proper context and realize that they were made for us. The point

00:33:44.220 is to righteousness, to convict us of our sin. They were made for us. We were not created for them.

00:33:51.040 The same thing is true of our constitutionality. It begins with the words, we the people.

00:33:54.840 It is a social compact. It is not holy writ. And the men who carved it, I think it's a sacred

00:34:00.060 document, but it's not holy, because the men who carved it right after they got done with it

00:34:04.200 started amending. That's where we got the Bill of Rights. All right. So if you reach a point in time

00:34:09.800 where one side of the argument no longer abides by the social compact, then we're over here like

00:34:17.420 Frank Drebin in the naked gun. Nothing to see here, folks. Right. We're like that dude on MSNBC last

00:34:23.660 year. Now, these are mostly peaceful protests while Molotov cocktails are being launched over his head

00:34:28.340 live on screen. We're arguing over the in particulars of a 12th Amendment that is really a process

00:34:34.620 amendment for the purpose of how the electors are counted and carried out. And meanwhile, the people

00:34:40.140 were up against Ali. They've already shredded the 39th Amendment that we haven't even thought of that.

00:34:44.460 All right. And I think that we have to come to grips with the fact. And it's sad. And I and I wanted to

00:34:50.280 not admit this to myself for a long time because I knew what the consequences would be of admitting

00:34:54.340 this. But the left has turned in the last decade or two. They have turned politics into a zero sum

00:34:59.820 game. They have made it clear they do not plan on sharing a culture with people like us unless we're

00:35:05.200 willing to pay some form of jizya that they that you can lose accreditation in an industry, not get a

00:35:10.960 platform. Imagine if AT&T said 100 years ago, you know what? I don't like the things Ali Beth Stuckey says

00:35:16.700 over the phone. So we're not going to give you a line. You're not going to we're not going to connect you

00:35:20.040 to mob else. They're not going to connect you to the world when nobody would put up with that.

00:35:24.200 That's exactly what big tech is doing today. It's a zero sum game. You comport and comply or you are

00:35:29.960 a second class citizen. And and the and what's happening now is the right is learning this and

00:35:35.800 responding in kind. The right saw last summer saw, hey, I guess riots pay off when you riot for a

00:35:42.780 funeral, peaceful protest for a guy who once pointed a gun at a pregnant woman's stomach.

00:35:47.000 If you do that 14 times, you get those decals, you get the decals of your protest group,

00:35:52.000 the riot group on every NFL team in the fall. You get you get exalted. This is all learned behavior.

00:35:58.240 And if we don't come up with righteous resistance to channel the energy that we saw yesterday, even

00:36:04.520 even before things got ugly, even when it was peaceful, look at those masses of people,

00:36:08.640 look at all that energy. Where are they all going to go if we don't find a way to create

00:36:13.020 righteous resistance for them? Because right now they don't have it. Most of the people running

00:36:17.760 the Republican Party don't care about them, don't want to listen to them. If we don't come up with

00:36:21.860 that, then I would say this to my friend Chip. Chip is one of my best friends. I've been arguing

00:36:26.880 all of this privately with Chip for the last few weeks. Chip's one of the finest men I know,

00:36:32.120 and I won't tolerate any attacks on his honor because you don't agree with him here. Where I disagree

00:36:37.560 with Chip since you asked, is I think we are hanging by a very slim thread here. Last March 11th,

00:36:43.940 if I would have come on your show and said, by the end of this year, you think you're just going 15

00:36:48.360 days to flatten the curve? By the end of this year, you won't go Christmas shopping for your kids.

00:36:53.140 They won't get to see Santa. You won't be able to walk into a mall without a useless Chinese face

00:36:57.100 diaper. You're a second class citizen if you don't wear one. People would have laughed and said,

00:37:00.720 no way that'll happen. That's how fast that evolved. Yesterday is an omen of what the next six

00:37:06.420 months will look like, an increasing deceleration if we don't come up with something righteous that

00:37:11.880 can channel that angst so people think that they have a voice again. So you believe first that people

00:37:19.080 like Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz were speaking up for all of the people who feel and felt disenfranchised.

00:37:27.000 And even though it may not be their constitutional responsibility to do so, you think that they

00:37:33.620 were correct in stating those objections? There's a higher law. When Ted and Chip and Josh took the

00:37:42.160 oath of office, Ali, it didn't say, so help me, Constitution. It said, so help me, God. There's

00:37:46.760 a higher law than the Constitution. We have done all kinds of heinous things. We had to amend the

00:37:52.320 Constitution to get rid of slavery. People use that to justify, even though it says right in the Fifth

00:37:57.040 Amendment of the Bill of Rights, no person shall be denied life, liberty, or property without due process

00:38:01.860 of law. We just decided, well, if we wanted to deny those people those things, we just won't call them

00:38:06.240 people. We've done all forms of things in the name of a written word. We actually have to follow the

00:38:13.340 actual word, the word giver, the one who's the word incarnate. There's a higher law there. And that's

00:38:20.340 ultimately where the Constitution was, we made the Constitution for us as a people. We weren't made as a

00:38:27.120 people for the Constitution. It begins with the words, we the people. It's about limiting the scope

00:38:32.000 of government. It's a social contract. It's a compact. And what has happened now is one half

00:38:37.940 of this country, or at least its political leadership, has decided to render that compact

00:38:42.920 null and void. We can sit here and argue about the 17th sentence of the 12th Amendment all we want.

00:38:49.060 They are burning down your civilization. And if we don't find a righteous way where we can keep it

00:38:54.780 within the white lines, you know, football is a very violent game, right? And within the white

00:38:58.940 lines, you can be as violent as you want. We don't carry it out into the stands. We don't go out in

00:39:02.140 the parking lot. We don't assault fans. There's rules of engagement. We have to re-institute some

00:39:07.700 rules of engagement because right now they get away with whatever they want to do and then just use

00:39:12.980 their media to rewrite history and memory hole it. So what you're arguing, which I do think is true,

00:39:18.340 and I hadn't really thought about it like this, that we appeal to a higher authority than the

00:39:23.480 Constitution, not just because the Constitution was made for man, but also because man was made

00:39:27.460 by God, and he is the great moral lawgiver. The left also appeals to what they believe is a higher

00:39:34.140 power. They might not say the God of the Bible, but a higher power than the Constitution. They too

00:39:39.580 think that the Constitution is malleable, that it is flexible, that there are more important things

00:39:45.900 than abiding by the principles that we find in our founding documents. That's why, for example,

00:39:51.060 they justify something like abortion, like you said, that people did with slavery. They also do

00:39:58.080 with unborn babies by saying, well, these just aren't people, so we don't have to guarantee them

00:40:02.080 life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. So what you're arguing is, hey, we're not playing

00:40:07.320 by the same rules anymore because they appeal to some higher authority than the Constitution,

00:40:13.140 and so the right needs to appeal to a higher authority than the Constitution.

00:40:16.500 And so, but where does that end up? So basically our gods are competing, our higher authorities in

00:40:24.320 the Constitution are competing against one another, but you're also arguing that somehow we do that

00:40:30.340 peacefully, but how is that possible? Because that seems like a cosmic battle.

00:40:37.760 It is a cosmic battle. We're up against a spirit of the age. That's what we're up against.

00:40:43.400 We've heard a lot of language. You know, you're a millennial. I'm on the younger edge of Gen X.

00:40:49.200 I've heard all my life. You've heard all your life. This is the most important election. The

00:40:52.380 next one is. The last one is. It's the spirit of America. The soul of America was at stake for

00:40:56.720 Barack Obama versus John McCain, and then John McCain preferred Barack Obama to most of us,

00:41:01.340 we found out. So we've heard these cliches all along. This is now the moment when this is all

00:41:06.800 actually, we're in a Valley of Megiddo moment as a culture. We are not up against a political

00:41:12.260 ideology. That's why we're struggling to come up with political solutions. We're up against

00:41:17.220 progressivism, leftism. It is the Marcion Arius. It is the Heracelagius. It's the heresy of this era.

00:41:25.400 That's what we're up against. The Democratic Party, its political manifestations, that is the,

00:41:30.500 those are the manifestations of a spiritual philosophy. All these people yesterday, let's pray for peace,

00:41:36.360 peace for what? We need to pray for truth. There is no peace without the truth. We're unsettled

00:41:41.120 in our spirit. We're unsettled in our culture because we're unsettled in the truth. What is

00:41:46.340 the truth? And ultimately the constitution is an application of the truth. It is not the truth

00:41:52.420 itself. Like the scriptures are an application of the truth. The ultimate truth, the foundation of

00:41:58.120 Christianity is not the Bible. The foundation of Christianity is Christ. For if Christ be not

00:42:03.120 raised, our preaching is in vain, we're all still dead in our sins. If he's not risen from

00:42:07.660 the dead, no word of the New Testament matters. Maybe you get some life lessons, that's about it.

00:42:12.700 But it's not transcended in any way. We need to go back to first things. You know, I've used this

00:42:17.920 analogy before. When Vince Lombardi took over a once proud football franchise called the Green Bay

00:42:23.220 Packers, they were losers for decades. And when he took them over, there were players that would go on

00:42:27.460 to be Hall of Famers, Paul Harning, Bart Starr, Forrest Devoshevsky, people that are household names

00:42:32.660 to NFL circles. Now they were unknowns back then. They were losers. And the first day when he took

00:42:37.260 over, he said, man, I'm going to erase every tape. I'm not watching any film. We're going to start all

00:42:41.740 over. Here's your first practice. He held up the football and he said, man, this is a football.

00:42:46.720 And they started all over. They broke the whole thing down, established a foundation and built it back up.

00:42:51.980 We need to do the exact same thing. We need to get back and reestablish first things so we can

00:42:57.320 enforce the Constitution again. The Constitution doesn't make us righteous. The Constitution is

00:43:02.620 the result of a righteous people. How in the world do we do that? Because I do want to be careful not

00:43:09.200 to conflate what, you know, Ephesians 6 talks about light versus darkness, good versus evil with

00:43:15.520 right versus left, because there are plenty of people who identify themselves as on the right who

00:43:19.940 are not Christians, who are not believers, who do not appeal to the same higher authority, the God of the

00:43:24.040 Bible, that you and I do, who do not believe in Christ and the resurrection of the dead. And so

00:43:27.920 I don't want to conflate, okay, well, conservatives are all on God's side and all liberals are not on

00:43:35.140 God's side, because I don't think that's biblically accurate. But that almost sounds like that's what

00:43:40.620 you're saying. So can you make some distinctions there?

00:43:43.680 Sure. Look at the American Revolution. Thomas Paine would have been our version of an

00:43:48.420 Ayn Randian secular libertarian, probably. Benjamin Franklin thought that Christ was a good moral

00:43:55.280 teacher. We have no evidence, really, that he believed in the resurrection. Then you have men

00:43:58.940 like Patrick Henry, Benjamin Rush, sold out to the gospel. It's ironic to me that theologically,

00:44:05.020 I agree with John Adams a lot more than Thomas Jefferson and their ancient rivalry. But politically,

00:44:10.080 Thomas Jefferson is like speaking my love language, okay? Now, those are examples,

00:44:14.920 what everything I just cited, those are examples of natural law and common grace. The way our

00:44:19.900 founding generation got beyond, they had this debate too. They had to hang together or hang

00:44:24.780 separately. Those Quakers in Pennsylvania, they thought Romans 13 meant they could never rebel

00:44:29.560 against authority. So they didn't want to, they had to make an argument to get them to vote for the

00:44:34.600 Declaration of Independence. And so they had to come up with these dilemmas. We can learn from that

00:44:39.080 history, learn from that tradition. And the dilemma that you present is, it's embodied in this

00:44:44.480 sentence in the, or this reference in the Declaration of Independence, the laws of nature

00:44:49.500 and nature's God. Ayn Rand even believed in objectivism, that there had to be something

00:44:55.120 objectively true, something, something that brought order to the universe. Now, she hated Christianity.

00:45:01.460 She railed against it. In her later years, she'd go on the Phil Donahue show and call people like you

00:45:05.900 and I fools. But then she'd go out and actually advocate in the world for objective philosophy that

00:45:12.860 actually is a somewhat natural application of what you and I believe. That's what we can reinstall in

00:45:19.520 that we have to learn as Christians to walk and chew gum at the same time, that we're in the world and

00:45:24.140 not of it, that we can, we can form alliances without violating our principles. And then while

00:45:30.280 we're in those alliances, help lead people to what the source and origins of those principles happens

00:45:35.600 to be. You're talking though, about getting back to first things. And yet you've also said,

00:45:41.260 and I agree that there is some kind of cosmic battle going on that really people think that

00:45:47.040 our disagreements between the left and the right are more complex and intricate than they've ever

00:45:51.640 been, but really they're more fundamental and basic than they've ever been. The definition of truth,

00:45:55.940 the definition of what a man is, what a woman is, what's a law. When life begins, we're asking,

00:46:01.640 you know, very stupid questions that people for hundreds, if not thousands of years have already

00:46:06.300 been able to answer by what they might say is just common sense, or even like you and I believe

00:46:10.840 God's natural law. How are we supposed to get through all of the noise and get to those first

00:46:18.920 things and get to a place to where, okay, we can appeal to the constitution because we agree on the

00:46:24.400 premise of the constitution, which is that there is a great transcendent moral lawgiver who gave us

00:46:29.820 our rights and the government is to submit to God and his law. Like, how do we get back to that?

00:46:35.940 People listen to us. They think we're talking about some kind of theocratic autocracy or something like

00:46:41.500 that. How, how do we, how do we get there in a righteous way? Because what happened yesterday

00:46:46.480 ain't going to cut it. No, it's not. But it's the result of what happens when, if I vote,

00:46:53.320 you don't count my vote. And then if I do win, then you just go to the courts and some federal

00:46:57.320 judge in the 666 district of Babylon issues a universal objection, injunction that the people

00:47:02.700 I just voted for can't govern. So you definitely think that there was widespread fraud.

00:47:07.960 Oh, I absolutely believe it. Yeah. But I don't, I don't, I don't know the flow chart for dominion.

00:47:12.580 I've never looked at any of that. I don't follow Rudy Giuliani's work. Frankly, I don't trust Rudy

00:47:16.740 Giuliani. I just don't think he's, I think he's, I think he, that's a guy that's lost his fastball.

00:47:20.800 I just do math. The same math I did on election night, same math I did breaking down the polls,

00:47:26.340 same math and pointing out that those aren't mathematically sound, same math I did all last

00:47:30.800 year on COVID. The math simply just didn't add up in numerous places around the country. I just did

00:47:36.600 the math. The math doesn't add up. And so the, the excuse is, well, Donald Trump was uniquely

00:47:41.640 unpopular. And so that's where you got an election where for the first time in the history of the two

00:47:47.240 party era, except for 1992, when it was after a redistricting that favored Republicans, which we

00:47:52.480 didn't have this year. And yet Ross Pro siphoning off votes for Bush for the first time in the two

00:47:57.180 party era, an incumbent president lost reelection, but his party gained house seats. That had only

00:48:02.920 happened one other time ever. And so the explanation is, well, Trump's just that uniquely unpopular.

00:48:08.660 And so that's why it just so happens that in about a half dozen counties in the states that needed to

00:48:13.540 flip in order to flip the electoral college that are all controlled notoriously. So for decades by

00:48:19.260 Democrats, Wayne County, Michigan, Fulton County, Georgia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania, and on

00:48:23.980 and on it goes. It just so happens that in those places, they were able to produce miraculously the

00:48:29.900 votes that it took. And yet they, so for some reason, why couldn't they do it in St. Louis, Missouri

00:48:34.100 and Houston, Texas, and some of these other places? Why could they uniquely do it? Democrats control

00:48:39.320 those places too. Why were they able to uniquely do it in those places? And I think that I don't,

00:48:44.500 the math on that, we could do whole shows, but we're kind of beyond that.

00:48:48.020 But wouldn't you argue, but wouldn't you argue then that if they did do it in those Democratic

00:48:52.640 strongholds, that why wouldn't they do it in somewhere like Houston? So the fact that they

00:48:56.700 don't do it in other Democratic strongholds, doesn't that kind of hurt, hurt your case that

00:49:02.280 these other Democratic cities? That's a good question. I'm not, I don't think your governor is,

00:49:08.300 um, uh, the biggest advice, what I would necessarily categorize as some kind of a bad

00:49:13.700 but he's not terrible. Well, but, and we've seen him stand up to them in the past, maybe not as

00:49:19.760 often as somebody like me would like, but certainly more often than you see a lot of other governors

00:49:23.720 do. Houston, Texas, like just the other day when they tried to, uh, impose, I can't remember what

00:49:30.720 it was, some kind of a fine or sanctuary city or something in your state. And governor Abbott came up

00:49:35.320 and said, Hey, that's not the law in our state. You can't do that. We're not doing that.

00:49:38.300 What happens in Texas? If they just show up at 4am the next morning in Houston with vote dumps,

00:49:42.500 that's a lot different than Pennsylvania where the Democrats control the governor's mansion.

00:49:48.200 That's a lot different than Michigan where Democrats control the governor's mansion.

00:49:51.860 That's where the, see, that's where we have to, that's the other mistake we make politically.

00:49:56.100 We have to move people where power is. I say this, and I'm going to say this on my show later today.

00:50:01.940 I love Ted Cruz. He's a very good friend of mine. I worked on his last campaign,

00:50:06.340 but the time has come now. We cannot afford another day of brute and branch Mitch McConnell.

00:50:13.180 And I won't be bullied into giving you $2,000, but I don't have to be bullied into giving Pakistan

00:50:18.980 money for gender studies. That's the kind of stuff that's, that's raising this furor.

00:50:23.580 This guy stands in the way of representing our people. It's time for Ted Cruz to stop waiting

00:50:28.480 four years to find out if Trump runs again, or if he can be the nominee and run for Republican

00:50:33.720 leader tomorrow. I would say this to chip. If it's not you, then find out who it is and start

00:50:38.940 challenging the McCarthy's of the world for, for, cause you're all going to be, someone's going to

00:50:42.820 be the Republican speaker in 2022, probably after the midterms start thinking that up right now,

00:50:48.360 Ali, look around the country. I'd look at Ron DeSantis in Florida.

00:50:52.460 And I don't know where else I would look. My governor and I was actually been pretty good.

00:50:57.200 Tim Reynolds. I would look elsewhere all over the country, all these Republican legislatures,

00:51:02.000 all these Republican governors, where are, where are, where is the power that our people

00:51:07.280 desire being wielded by their elected representatives on their behalf? You don't see it in too many

00:51:14.020 places. And that's why the first name we come up with all the time is Ron DeSantis. We need to put

00:51:18.760 our PR people need to be, we need to run for positions of power. And then when we get power,

00:51:23.860 we need to use it. Let's take this exact circumstance and flip it around.

00:51:28.940 What would the Democrats have done? Would they have certified that election yesterday? Would there

00:51:34.260 be a democratic Mike Pence forlorn and desperate to know how do I uphold the 19th sentence of the 12th

00:51:41.200 amendment? If they saw Republican cities, suburbs, exurbs, rural areas, just dropping off thousands

00:51:48.460 of votes that are 99% for a Republican in, in those places, they'd never, ever, ever, ever do it.

00:51:55.120 They'd never certify it. They'd never tolerate it. In fact, yesterday was the 20th anniversary

00:52:00.640 of Democrats standing up in joint, in a joint session of Congress to challenge the certification

00:52:06.660 of the Florida recount election. They did it on January 6th, 2001. Okay. So they would never

00:52:14.020 tolerate any of this. Our people need to see that the folks that they vote for are going to wield

00:52:20.500 power. That when, when we, when, when we get people on the Supreme court, they're not going to just say

00:52:26.060 no to the, the new bad stuff Democrats are going to want to do, but they dismantled the bad stuff

00:52:30.440 they've already done because we all know the next time they get five justices, they're going to go

00:52:34.960 hell bent on all of that stuff. And as long as our people see there's a two-tier justice system,

00:52:39.940 you can riot if you're a leftist and it's fine. You can lie in the media and not get de-platformed.

00:52:44.760 If we tell the truth, we do. As long as they go on, Hey, we can just violate courts, the judges,

00:52:49.320 do whatever we want. Make up laws. Don't have to have any reason for why voting drop boxes took place

00:52:55.100 or show no evidence of mass work. None of this, just wear it anyway. Cause we told you to,

00:52:58.960 as long as our people continue to see that there's a two-tier justice system. And if nobody

00:53:04.660 righteous rises up alley to do something about it, eventually people will take the law into their

00:53:10.440 own hands. People didn't turn to a guy in a cape and cowl in Gotham city alley because everything

00:53:15.580 was going great. And the cops were doing their job. It's because they weren't.

00:53:18.860 Do you think, well, actually I have two questions, just going back quickly to the,

00:53:25.780 the subject of fraud. What do you think about Chip Roy's argument that, Hey, if fraud happened

00:53:32.500 in places like Georgia, which, you know, Donald Trump has alleged for the past two months,

00:53:36.880 if fraud is happening in places like Arizona, where also Republicans won on the same ballot

00:53:42.440 statewide, why weren't, why weren't those, why weren't those Republicans, you know, foiled

00:53:48.560 by fraud? How did they make it to DC? Um, well, I don't know that here's another question I would

00:53:55.720 respond with the very day, the Arizona state legislature itemized under in testimony,

00:54:00.520 several allegations of fraud, their governor, Doug Ducey turned right around, pardon, pardon me,

00:54:05.720 Freud, Freudian slip Ducey turned right around and certified the election that very day.

00:54:09.900 Why didn't we get any answers on this? See that's why I said, don't pray for peace,

00:54:15.220 pray for truth. Let's let the truth have its way. Why did we never have, do you know,

00:54:20.620 in these States that did drop boxes, Allie, like, like, do you know how many of them had

00:54:24.320 like a special session of the legislature to vote in whether to do these voting drop boxes around

00:54:29.360 the state? You know how many did zero, zero Wisconsin state legislature, all Republicans,

00:54:35.060 they didn't do a single vote on it. Just the Republican leadership decided we're going to do these

00:54:39.300 vote drop boxes all over the state. We're just going to do it. Why is Georgia, which opened up in the,

00:54:44.800 the first of May, was one of the first states to open, was criticized by Trump for opening too fast?

00:54:50.720 Why are they still doing drop box mail-in voting eight months after they reopened,

00:54:55.680 like some lockdown forever blue state? Why are they voting like they vote in Oregon and Georgia?

00:55:00.280 Why are they doing that? These are, I don't, those chip asked valid questions. I don't have the

00:55:05.380 answers to them. I asked him the questions I just responded to you with because him and I have

00:55:09.600 been having this conversation privately for a month. I can't answer his questions. He can't

00:55:14.160 answer mine. So I don't know. Do we have like any entities like a justice department, a Congress,

00:55:21.080 an oversight committee where we can have hearings and we can put this all out in the open for everyone

00:55:25.940 to see, to finally get to some answers. There's something about the truth in this culture. We don't

00:55:32.300 want it. We don't want to know what the motive of the worst shooting ever in Las Vegas three years

00:55:36.480 ago was apparently. It's just puff the magic dragon. It's gone. We don't, we don't want to

00:55:41.180 know why we had another lone wolf terrorist attack that the FBI warrant was warned about

00:55:46.200 in Nashville last week. And we don't want to know why they didn't do anything about it for a year.

00:55:50.260 We don't, why, why don't we want to know last year, last year, Allie, the government said UFOs were

00:55:56.880 real and people were like, dude, 5,000 four went out. When I was a kid, people would have lost their

00:56:02.720 minds. There'd have been like floods of people in the streets. It's the end of the world.

00:56:06.980 If the government announced UFOs were real, it's like, we just can't be bothered with the truth.

00:56:12.700 Let's let the truth have its way. I'm not afraid of the truth. Maybe the truth will prove my math

00:56:18.700 is wrong. And Donald Trump's just that uniquely popular. I'm okay with that. I don't need the truth

00:56:23.840 to verify my feelings. My feelings are to line up with what the truth is. Let's just find out

00:56:30.360 what's the truth. One time in this country, you know, we went through Pete tapes and Russian

00:56:35.520 collusion and Julie Swetnick and Brett Kavanaugh's a marauding rapist. No one was held accountable

00:56:40.740 for any of that. Can we just one time ever? What's the truth? Yeah. Do you think that yesterday

00:56:49.180 and what we saw at the Capitol actually kind of gets in the way of people seeing both sides of the

00:56:56.920 issue? I mean, we knew that Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz were going to make their case. And then at

00:57:02.580 least yesterday, we didn't, we didn't get to hear that. And, but it also seems like you think that

00:57:07.300 it was, I don't know, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you think if not a justified

00:57:12.600 reaction, people storming the Capitol, you do think it was an expected reaction, but don't you think that

00:57:18.380 what happened at the Capitol and what could have happened in the chambers of Congress are at odds?

00:57:23.200 I've used this analogy before the answer, the answer to your question is yes. I don't think

00:57:32.240 it's justified. I'm just doing math. All right. Um, it's expected. And I've used this analogy before.

00:57:39.500 I'll share it with your audience. I'm a big hockey fan. And a lot of people think there's fighting in

00:57:44.100 hockey because people like to watch it on TV. Well, the game was much older than television. The reason

00:57:50.420 why they started allowing hockey or fighting in hockey from the beginning, these are high

00:57:55.600 testosterone level men. They're playing in a violent sport at a fast pace, um, high energy,

00:58:01.720 and they're carrying with them a felonious weapon, a sharpened stick. You go up for the puck in the

00:58:08.260 corner. Some guy comes in broadside, you fractures a rib, breaks your nose into the glass. The natural

00:58:13.780 human reaction, particularly when masculinity gets involved is screw you. I'm waving this. I'm not even

00:58:19.140 thinking. I'm going to act on my passions and I'm going to wave this stick and get back at you for

00:58:23.760 it. Except I could make a mistake. I never recover from the rest of my life. I could slit somebody's

00:58:27.900 throat. I could, I could knock an eye out. I could, I could do, I could maim them. I could kill them.

00:58:33.140 And then I, then that one moment of mistake that I made undermines all the credibility and character

00:58:39.760 I've built into my life up until that point. So we have to acknowledge though, at the same time

00:58:44.340 that human nature reacts this way. So what do we do? We allow fighting as a pressure valve.

00:58:50.300 All right. You think you've been wrong, drop the gloves and let's go. And then, but then what

00:58:54.300 happens, the refs stand back and let it happen. And then when they see blood or they see one guy is

00:58:59.080 clearly dominating the other, they come in and break it up. The pressure in the room has been,

00:59:04.260 the valve has relieved the pressure back to the game. That's what elections used to be for us.

00:59:09.680 That's what social media was a few years ago. They're taking away all of our pressure valves,

00:59:15.140 Ali. Don't think men can have a period. You're deplatformed. You're gone.

00:59:19.780 You think that you want to know, Hey, I just want to know how we counted. Can we at least get a

00:59:24.920 signature audit? Forget the state of Georgia's rural areas. I just want to know that the signatures

00:59:29.940 in Fulton County, where we saw the late drop-offs where the Democrats have total control and they

00:59:35.060 kicked up, kicked observers out. One of my best friends was one of the observers for the white house

00:59:39.100 got kicked out. So I just want to know. All right. I just want to know, can we at least match the

00:59:44.580 signature since we don't have voter ID, obviously with all these mail-in ballots. Can we do an audit

00:59:49.300 of the signatures just so we know it was on the up and up? Nope, nope, nope. Can't do any of that.

00:59:53.140 All the pressure valves in our culture are being removed. The left, the spirit of the age propelling

00:59:59.100 it has got the boot to the throat right now, and it's squeezing down hard. If we on the right do not

01:00:05.480 come up with some legitimate pressure valves. So what is that? Then there's going to be a civil

01:00:11.600 war, I fear. What is that? Because you've talked about a righteous way to channel the anger that we

01:00:17.480 saw yesterday. You've talked about, you know, the pressure valves. What does that look like? Because

01:00:24.580 I don't want to see something like yesterday happen again in the same way that I don't want to see what

01:00:29.660 has been happening in several cities across the country for six months happen anymore. Some people,

01:00:35.320 of course, on the left, as you've probably talked about, as I've talked about, are pretending like

01:00:39.340 this is the first time they've seen violence when people that they've defended for the past six months

01:00:43.920 have been perpetuating egregious things across the nation's cities since the summer. Some of us have

01:00:51.600 been calling out violence, you know, since it's been happening, not just the past 24 hours.

01:00:55.820 I don't, I don't want this anymore. And I don't personally know. So tell me as a worried person

01:01:02.460 who agrees that there are some deep problems that both sides feel in different ways for different

01:01:07.660 reasons. What is the answer? I don't want a civil war. I don't want the violence that I saw.

01:01:13.600 What is the righteous way to do this? If we are in what you have described as this great cosmic

01:01:19.480 fundamental battle? I'm going to reintroduce to my audience today, a word, meekness. What does it

01:01:27.040 mean? And a former pastor of mine walked me through what that word really means is power under control,

01:01:35.000 power under control. The Boston Tea Party, no casualties. They coordinated it. They plotted it

01:01:40.340 out, made a statement, power under control. That's Samuel Adams and the Sons of Liberty.

01:01:44.800 What went on yesterday was a, was a, was a vent frustration, a tantrum. That's not power under

01:01:51.380 control. We need power under control. We need our people to run for leadership positions in this

01:01:57.720 party or form a new party if they can't, if they can't get there. So there's a vehicle for people's

01:02:02.920 voices to be heard. We need our Republican States. How many, I think, what is it? 23, 24 States,

01:02:09.380 Republicans have total control of the state. We're going to pass a law. The governor's going to sign

01:02:13.940 it. We don't kill babies in this state. When the Supreme Court or the federal court in San Francisco

01:02:19.340 says you can't, we ignore it. We're following the highest law. We're doing the righteous thing. We're

01:02:24.060 not angry. We're not rioting. We're just, we're under control, but we are going to exercise our power

01:02:31.220 under control. In our community, we take over the county government. In our community, we're not

01:02:37.820 wearing these stupid Chinese face diapers. We're not doing it, right? Open your businesses.

01:02:42.800 Open your churches. We need to affirmatively disobey tyrannical orders, all right? When the Romans

01:02:52.480 hung a sign over Jesus, what did it say? King of the Jews. Now we know, we know that Christ was

01:02:59.880 crucified for our sins. In the pagan Roman mind, though, what convinced Pontius Pilate is when the

01:03:06.500 Sanhedrin went to him and said, if you don't execute this guy who's raising up,

01:03:12.800 a sedition, you're no friend of Caesar. He claims he's a king rivaling Caesar. In the Roman pagan

01:03:19.800 mind, the reason they put over the sign over Jesus' head, King of the Jews, is because in his mind,

01:03:25.380 he was being executed for sedition. He represented a challenge to their government, to their authority.

01:03:32.300 That's what we need to be, a challenge to their authority. Power under control. We will do what is

01:03:38.340 right. We will not do what is wrong. We will not comply with orders. There was a famous case in

01:03:44.860 Vietnam where a guy was ordered to burn the village in order to save, and then he disobeyed the order.

01:03:52.500 They still court-martialed him, but he disobeyed the order. That's what we need to do. We're not

01:03:57.980 going to do that which God says is wrong, period. And I don't care how many justices at the U.S.

01:04:03.780 Supreme Court say differently. I don't care how many justices at a federal court say differently.

01:04:08.380 We're going to actually uphold the law. You are not the law. The Constitution is the law,

01:04:14.180 and we're going to enforce it and abide by it. When we get power, it is in order to execute this law,

01:04:20.340 and we're going to execute it, and you will not stop us, period. That's what we need to do.

01:04:26.780 Do you think part of the problem with what happened yesterday, you described it as a temper

01:04:31.620 tantrum, I would agree, not a good way to express frustration, and I would say the same thing for

01:04:40.320 anything else. Do you not feel that it's probably because Donald Trump is not power under control?

01:04:47.600 He doesn't probably appeal to the same higher authority that you and I do, so he's been pitching

01:04:52.740 a tantrum for the past couple of months, or do you not see it that way at all? I think I saw that

01:04:57.820 you said on Twitter that this is not Donald Trump's fault, and I agree. It's certainly not completely

01:05:02.720 Donald Trump's fault. There are a lot of factors at play, but to me, it didn't help. He didn't help

01:05:10.240 the situation. He threw gasoline on it. Do you disagree with me? I think Donald Trump is neither

01:05:15.820 Orange Man Bad or Cheeto Jesus Saves. I think he's largely irrelevant in this cosmic battle,

01:05:20.700 and we have obsessed about him on both sides way too often. Donald Trump, it's what Ben Shapiro says,

01:05:26.780 Donald Trump isn't the murderer. He is the coroner. Donald Trump is the result, and I had to accept

01:05:31.880 this. I was angry and upset coming off the cruise campaign, the way that we were mistreated by Fox

01:05:37.280 News and dissed, the way they took our win in Iowa and Roger Ailes ordered that let's just promote

01:05:43.060 Marco Rubio's third place finish, all the various allegations of adultery and tabloid magazines that

01:05:49.260 Trump planted. It took me quite a while to get over that, but I had to do it in order to listen

01:05:54.620 to our people. Otherwise, I was just going to become one of these conservatives who goes on CNN

01:05:58.780 and loses his mind and heart and soul in the process. Here's what I learned when I took a step

01:06:03.740 back and removed Trump from the equation. Trump is the lead singer of the band. Yes, he's the face of

01:06:09.960 the band, but there's that point in the concert where the crowd takes over and the lead singer leaps

01:06:16.380 into the crowd, right? And crowd surfs. That's who Trump is. It's about Trump is not the vehicle

01:06:22.820 for this frustration. He has actually been keeping the Republican Party together, removing him from

01:06:28.280 the equation right now. All those people forget about what happened after one o'clock Eastern before

01:06:34.460 noon Eastern yesterday. Without Donald Trump, Ali, where do all of those people go on January 7th

01:06:41.480 today? They don't have anywhere to go. Where do they go on January 21st? They don't have anywhere

01:06:46.500 to go. You and I talk a lot of theology on our shows. Many of their churches are closed. We can't

01:06:51.600 direct them to a church in many places. Where's all that energy going to go? Trump capitalized on that

01:06:58.000 energy. He did not engineer it. Trump was shocked that when he touched on the immigration issue that it

01:07:03.880 was that much of a bellwether and he could ride it all the way to the White House. This is the energy

01:07:10.020 was already there. And we're not putting it back in the bottle again. Why? Because this is different

01:07:15.480 than when the Tea Party failed. When the Tea Party failed, you could still say on social media,

01:07:20.620 my daughter is not running in a race against guys, but thank you. We're not doing that.

01:07:24.680 You can't do that anymore. You can't. They have so squeezed us now that there's nowhere for that

01:07:30.540 energy to go. And so Trump is irrelevant. This notion that, and I know you've talked about it. I live

01:07:36.640 in a suburb. I hear this too. Let's just make him go away and we'll be nice again. And the media won't

01:07:41.060 be as bad. You don't understand. There is a, there's a cold civil war happening. They're trying

01:07:46.700 to hijack and take over your culture. This isn't going to go away. If that Trump going away, it's

01:07:52.240 going to make it worse because right now our people have nowhere else to channel their energy. And

01:07:57.140 these leftists have nowhere else to direct their fire. So without him there as a fulcrum between us

01:08:02.840 and them, without him there, they're going to channel their fire at us. Like yesterday,

01:08:07.280 when I just posted a link to my Parler account on Facebook and Facebook tagged it as fake news,

01:08:12.880 according to their independent fact checkers, because they don't like the people that Parler

01:08:16.320 puts on its platform. They haven't banned the right people. See Trump with Trump gone,

01:08:20.860 they'll come after us instead. And now our people don't have anybody, even if it's just a tweet to

01:08:25.400 own the libs, our people don't have anybody by which to place their, their energy into.

01:08:30.620 That's a dangerous place to be. Yeah, I agree with you. I guess I just don't know what the tangible,

01:08:38.060 what the tangible next steps are. I agree with you. Well, it seems to come down to also

01:08:44.600 somebody in this audience needs to run for state legislature tomorrow. Somebody in this audience

01:08:49.100 who's in the state legislature needs to run for leadership tomorrow. But what do you also do about

01:08:54.060 about the freaking crazy people that are on that side to who there are some people I'm not saying

01:09:01.020 this is indicative of everyone who was there yesterday, but you and I both know, there are

01:09:06.660 people who stormed the Capitol that say that they're on the right. But really, they are, they're not people

01:09:14.700 that hold our values at all that they're not real conservatives that they should the only value that

01:09:19.440 they really have is that they want to see things just be destroyed. They want scorched earth to

01:09:24.540 whether they want some form of ethno nationalism, whether they just like anarchy and they get

01:09:30.160 something out of that. I don't want those kinds of people. I don't, I don't want conspiracy, some

01:09:36.200 conspiracy theorists, they exist on the right and the left. I don't want those people running for office.

01:09:40.400 Well, we're all conspiracy. Everybody, every time we don't want to comport to whatever the

01:09:43.720 narrative is of big tech and big media, we're all going to be conspiracists now or we're all going

01:09:48.140 to be Alex Jones now. I know, but you and I know that there is not an equivalent between you and I

01:09:53.440 saying, Hey, there's censorship and big tech and people saying, Hey, you know, people who follow Q

01:09:59.960 know that Donald Trump is the Messiah for an evil, you know, global pedophile.

01:10:05.420 I didn't know what a Q drop was. I just found this out last night. I didn't even know what it was.

01:10:09.520 Okay. But you and I know that there's a distinction. We don't want people. I mean,

01:10:12.840 that's, that's why people don't know. You know why people don't know Allie? Because what are our

01:10:16.820 people doing? Hiding in their homes, uh, biding their time for the next presidential run, not

01:10:21.920 challenging Senate leadership, game planning out following the 19th sentence of the 12th amendment,

01:10:28.460 you know, deal Moody, the great evangelist, uh, could at times be a little cantankerous.

01:10:33.240 And he was confronted once by a woman who thought he should have been nicer.

01:10:36.080 And he looked at her and he said, I like my way of doing something better than your way of not

01:10:40.480 doing anything. What's happening right now is we're not doing anything. And so, and that's why,

01:10:47.600 and here's what we are doing by doing nothing. We're getting our movement conflated with what

01:10:51.740 you just talked about. And, and, and if they look like they will, they're doing stuff and we'll draw a

01:10:56.760 crowd that they will gain even more in steam. Why did we lose a bunch of young white kids to this

01:11:02.700 alt-right anti-Semitism? Why did we lose these white kids, smart white kids, a lot of them college

01:11:07.400 educated. Why did we lose them to this? Because they didn't, they saw the Republican party wasn't

01:11:11.740 going to fight for them on any level, on any cultural level. So they went for the counterfeit

01:11:15.340 addition. Instead, we have to offer the real thing. Open our businesses, defy injustice, defy tyranny.

01:11:22.900 If your church won't open, open a church in your home. What, what, what seminary did Peter go to?

01:11:27.940 What seminary did any of the apostles go to? Then open your home for a Bible study. We have to start

01:11:33.680 living out what we believe. Instead, as long as we comply with what they're doing to us,

01:11:39.560 then a counterfeit version, which the enemy would love, loves every bit as much. Because now he owns,

01:11:44.780 it's a little bit like he's a casino and he owns, he gets, he wins no matter who wins the football game

01:11:49.240 because he's got the line perfectly situated right in the middle. So he doesn't care which side wins.

01:11:54.100 He gets his vig. That's where the spirit of the age is right now. It has the Democratic party to do

01:12:00.360 whatever it wants to us whenever it wants. And then it has the Republican party to do not a

01:12:04.480 thing about it until that. And then because of that, running right at the middle is going to be

01:12:10.540 what you just talked about. The mom, the Judas Iscariots, the zealots. That's what's going to happen

01:12:16.540 next. If we don't show righteousness in action, if we don't say, if we don't have some Rosa Parks

01:12:23.240 who get on the, get on a bus and say, you know what? My answer is no. No, I'm not sitting in the

01:12:27.360 back. No, my answer is no, I'm not doing this. And I'm tired of seeing one lone woman up against

01:12:33.540 a guy in a shopping mall for not wearing a mask. Why aren't 15 guys walking into that mall without

01:12:38.900 a mask and say, come at me. You can't arrest us all open up. No, I don't want to see one salon

01:12:43.180 owner in Dallas defying the system. Why aren't all 15 people opening their businesses and say,

01:12:48.900 arrest us all. You can't arrest us all. These laws aren't enforceable. We are enforcing them.

01:12:55.760 We're helping them enforce them on us. As long as we continue to comply with unjust edicts,

01:13:01.640 we will continue to get in justice. I think it also depends on your eschatological views. I'm

01:13:09.660 realizing is that, you know, there are some people, I mean, I'm a premillennialist and I feel like

01:13:17.320 sometimes I function as a postmillennialist in that I do believe in changing people's minds and

01:13:22.060 changing the culture. And I think that can be done and things can actually get better. But I am a

01:13:27.520 premillennialist in that I do believe that the world will devolve into more chaos and corruption until

01:13:33.500 Christ's return. And I think a lot of people who share that same eschatological view are thinking,

01:13:39.960 look, I got to focus on my family. I got babies. I got kids. I don't want to be in civil war. All I can

01:13:46.980 do is, you know, a lot of people, they're homeschooling their kids. They're focusing on

01:13:50.780 their kids. I'm going to love my neighbor. I'm going to go to church. I'm going to be obedient

01:13:55.180 in the things that I can be obedient in. And that's what I encourage a lot of people on this

01:13:59.180 show to do. Do you not think that that is enough? Being an obedient Christian, being hospitable in a

01:14:07.320 time where we're told that we need to isolate ourselves, loving our neighbor in a time that we're

01:14:11.300 told to distrust our neighbor, smiling at our neighbor when we're told that we should just avert our

01:14:15.460 eyes, like going to church and obeying God and sharing the gospel in a time that we're told that

01:14:20.140 that's dangerous and bigoted. Like to me, that is the subtle resistance of obeying God and taking up

01:14:26.180 our cross is resistance to tyranny without going out there and killing people and not killing people

01:14:33.740 because that's not what happened yesterday, but being violent like that to me is rebellion. But it

01:14:39.540 sounds like you're asking for something more than that. Yeah, that won't do it. And that maybe I'm

01:14:49.540 wrong. Maybe we're all Anabaptists now, because that's what you're describing. This was the debate

01:14:55.080 after the Reformation, whether to engage this amongst Protestant reformers, whether to infuse this into

01:15:01.880 a cultural ministry as well, or keep it completely separate from the culture. And so what you're

01:15:07.320 I don't think that's my argument. No, I was about to say that's not the Benedict option. That's not

01:15:12.900 actually what I'm saying, because obviously I wouldn't be hosting the show if I believed that

01:15:16.340 I would be. I wouldn't be talking about this kind of stuff. I do believe in people understanding what's

01:15:22.660 going on, understanding the policies. But I also I refuse to believe that we have exhausted all of

01:15:30.300 our peaceful resources and that our only option is the kind of thing that we've seen yesterday,

01:15:35.460 because, you know, we heard the same thing. When have I made that case in this entire?

01:15:39.800 No, I didn't. No, I didn't say that you did. But you are saying that I am making the Anabaptist

01:15:46.220 argument to where I am saying that we should separate ourselves from culture and we should

01:15:50.120 just build our own institutions. And I'm just trying to say that. No, I'm not saying that. I do think

01:15:55.920 that there are democratic and peaceful means still that we can pursue. And I'm not arguing against some

01:16:02.120 of the suggestions that you have said, but it seems to me, and I think you would totally agree

01:16:06.080 with this, that conservatives for so long have ceded ground in the church that, you know, when

01:16:11.960 our pastor started preaching about white privilege a few years ago, we just said, eh, I'm not really

01:16:15.840 going to say anything about it. We have ceded ground in entertainment. We've ceded ground in our

01:16:20.440 public school. We've said, oh, okay, well, that's a public institution. I don't have a right to say

01:16:24.560 anything about what my teacher is teaching my child. That's fine. We've ceded ground in academia.

01:16:28.820 Christians used to be the ones who were making these Ivy League institutions, creating them and

01:16:35.000 founding them. Then we kind of said, you know what? That's academia. We don't really have a

01:16:38.160 role in that. We were founding the hospitals. Now we've said, oh, science is different than

01:16:42.300 Christianity. We don't really need to have any say in science either. So we've ceded ground in all of

01:16:48.100 these areas, especially for the past 20 years. And now we're saying, oh, my only option is to storm

01:16:54.520 the Capitol. I'm like, hang on. Is it not possible for us to backtrack and for us to say, okay, we've

01:17:01.020 ceded ground, whether we knew that we were doing it or not. We need to gain some of that ground back

01:17:06.300 in the same way that we are in the opposite way that we gave it up by surrendering the language,

01:17:12.600 by surrendering the conversation, by not speaking up to our school board or whatever it is. So what I

01:17:19.700 encourage people to do is, yes, obey the Lord, but also take back the conversation and speak up in

01:17:25.980 your local area for your family where you still can, because I have seen it change people's minds.

01:17:31.660 I have seen school boards backtrack. I have seen curriculums taken out of school, curriculum taken

01:17:36.140 out of school. I have seen elders and pastors say, I'm so sorry that we decided that you were going to

01:17:41.620 read this book about white fragility or Iber Max Kendi. I didn't realize what critical race theory was.

01:17:48.320 I have seen things change because of that. So do you not think that that is a proper and effective

01:17:53.980 means by which we actually can make change that doesn't include the craziness we saw yesterday?

01:17:59.540 That's the same. You just quantified the argument I would make in our entire conversation. And if we,

01:18:04.220 if we don't do that, nature abhors a vacuum. If we don't step in, what you just described were

01:18:10.300 several examples of quantifying what I mean by righteous resistance. If, if we don't do that,

01:18:15.580 then something else will arise to fill that vacuum that will be unholy and will just, you know,

01:18:23.340 what's zero times zero. I say this to my audience all the time. Zero times zero is zero. Okay. What

01:18:28.900 you saw yesterday, uh, for a brief moment that ruined an otherwise beautiful statement was zero

01:18:34.760 times zero, zero times zero. And an innocent woman gets gunned down. Who's a, a military veteran,

01:18:40.240 um, for doing nothing other than just standing there and believe and standing up for what she

01:18:44.300 believes in chooses in the wrong place at the wrong time. You get those kinds of casualties,

01:18:48.200 that kind of collateral damage. When we multiply zero times zero, we need to provide a righteous

01:18:54.840 alternative to channel that frustration and anger. And if we don't, and it's got to come from people

01:19:00.540 in the audiences like which are watching us right now, if we don't, then what we saw yesterday,

01:19:06.140 we're going to see more of, and then we're eventually going to see the day when the Mensheviks

01:19:10.660 and the Bolsheviks clash together. When those two forces, the ones we saw this summer, and then what

01:19:15.900 we saw yesterday, decide to take on, take it on amongst themselves. And hey, we haven't even brought

01:19:21.940 the guns in yet. Okay. Keep that in mind. So it's time now we have been passive for too long.

01:19:28.280 We've, we've been barred to be the scrivener, uh, when confrontation comes at a, at a, I would prefer

01:19:33.560 not to. I, we've been passive for too long. We need some more Martin Luther's now here.

01:19:38.480 I stand. I can do no more. May God have mercy on my soul.

01:19:42.980 Hmm. Well, thank you so much. That was, I was thinking, I was like, Oh, we're going to have 15

01:19:48.000 minute conversation. But I also told, I also told, uh, told my team that, okay, if this is a really

01:19:54.320 good conversation, I'm not going to cut it off. And I could keep talking to you about all this.

01:19:58.140 You were on fire and I really do appreciate your perspective. And I hope that everyone listening

01:20:02.920 gets a lot out of this because you do, I mean, I think we agree on the essentials you brought in

01:20:08.780 different perspectives than I have shared and maybe that I hold, but you've also given me a

01:20:13.600 lot to think about and listeners a lot to think about too. So I appreciate that. Uh, can you tell

01:20:17.740 everyone again where they can find you? Uh, just go to blaze tv.com slash Dace, D E A C E. Uh,

01:20:25.220 follow me on Twitter for now, I guess at Steve Dace show over on parlor at Steve Dace. And we have a,

01:20:30.840 a brand new book out and the heroine is a young woman. It's, it's a perfect story for your audience.

01:20:36.660 And she faces off one-on-one one night against the devil who tries to woo her to her side or to his

01:20:42.520 side. Uh, it's called a nefarious Carol, uh, like the Christmas Carol, a nefarious Carol. You can get

01:20:47.560 an amazon.com right now. It's perfect for your audience. And it touches on a lot of the things we

01:20:53.380 discussed here today, Allie. Thanks. I appreciate it. So I got to go do my show now.

01:20:57.700 Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Well, hopefully I warmed you up, uh, for the show.

01:21:03.120 Um, I appreciate it. I'm sure we'll talk soon. All right. Take care. God bless. Bye.

01:21:11.600 All right, guys. I hope that, um, that's jam packed. And once again, a long episode

01:21:17.800 was, uh, helpful for you. I know that you are not going to agree with everything that was said on

01:21:24.320 this podcast. I don't even agree with everything that was said on this podcast. You're going to

01:21:27.840 disagree with me or you're going to disagree with Steve, but I hope that that gave you kind

01:21:31.420 of a, a thorough perspective of what's going on. And I don't want you to despair. I don't want you

01:21:39.480 to think, Oh my gosh, what am I going to do? Do I have to anticipate war? Do I have to be caught up

01:21:44.300 in worry? Do I have to, um, you know, stage some kind of big rebellion? I want to reiterate what I

01:21:52.260 said to Steve and what I truly believe. And I don't know, I don't think he fully, uh, agrees with it.

01:21:57.980 And some of you might not either, but I stand by what I've said. The quiet resistance of daily

01:22:04.260 obedience to Christ is where the quote rebellion lies. And I know that there is disagreement on what

01:22:11.820 that actually looks like in your daily life and what civil obedience looks like. John Knox,

01:22:17.500 the Scottish reformer said resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. But what does that look like

01:22:22.940 in a godly way? That can be a really big question. What I encourage you to do is to remember that you

01:22:28.480 are not omnipotent, that you're not omniscient, that God didn't create you to know everything

01:22:32.500 that's going on everywhere, to be able to control everything, to have power over everything. You can't

01:22:37.380 control what others do and you might not be called to make some big movement, but what you are called

01:22:43.380 to is daily moment by moment submission to Christ. And I promise you, and it, well, that might look

01:22:50.260 like, by the way, uh, some kind of movement or some kind of organization that you start or speaking

01:22:56.960 publicly about certain issues. It might include that. It might not. It might not. It might simply look

01:23:03.880 like you living your life in accordance to scripture. And no, I'm not talking about, um,

01:23:10.040 being a recluse. I'm not talking about sticking your head in the sand and pretending like you don't

01:23:13.880 know what's going on, but taking life moment by moment, being a faithful wife and mom or employee

01:23:20.480 or daughter or sister or friend, church member, worship leader, whatever it is, do it all for the glory

01:23:28.260 of God. And I promise you that's enough. I promise you that is what God calls you to. I don't know

01:23:33.900 what that looks like in your daily life, but thankfully, graciously, we do have scripture as our

01:23:40.200 guide. Um, daily obedience is the subtle, it's not really subtle, but the world thinks it's subtle,

01:23:47.120 the subtle resistance to evil and to tyranny. I guarantee you living and sharing the gospel

01:23:53.740 is as radical in a secular world as it gets. Do that, do that. That is what you are responsible

01:24:02.660 for. You are only responsible for what is right in front of you, not everything and everyone.

01:24:08.080 Trusting God who puts the government on his shoulders, who has made enemies, his enemies,

01:24:13.680 his footstool, who is King of Kings, who is Lord of Lords, who is in complete control,

01:24:18.720 who is totally sovereign overall, whose authority hasn't slipped or diminished for one second.

01:24:25.020 Trust in him, hope in him. All right. That's all I've got for today. I am praying for this country.

01:24:31.380 I'm praying for you all. I'm praying for my family. I'm praying for yours. We will be back here on Monday.

01:24:36.120 We will be back here on Monday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - January 07, 2021

Ep 348 ｜ The Right's Riot & Where We Go from Here

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