Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 353 ｜ Our Kids Are Learning What？! ｜ Guest： Chris Rufo

00:00:00.000 hey guys welcome to relatable happy monday hope everyone had a wonderful weekend so this is a

00:00:15.420 big week it's inauguration week there's a lot going on there are a lot of rumors about what's

00:00:20.980 going to go on there are even some conspiracy theories out there uh we are going to talk about

00:00:26.360 something that is not a conspiracy theory today at first it sounded like one but it's been reported

00:00:32.120 by a variety of outlets um and that is the notion that the capital riot that happened a couple weeks

00:00:38.980 ago was actually pre-planned so we're going to go through some of the allegations and some of the

00:00:44.340 evidence that points to that and then i'm going to have a conversation with christopher ruffo i've had

00:00:50.380 him on this podcast before he has been investigating how critical race theory and critical theory has

00:00:55.560 been infiltrating uh our education system has been infiltrating mostly public schools across the

00:01:02.660 country and the story that we are going to talk about today is absolutely mind-blowing and heartbreaking

00:01:09.960 and gut-wrenching about what uh children i'm talking eight and nine years old are learning about who they

00:01:17.800 are their identity and their relationship with other people based on their skin color and their so-called

00:01:24.920 privilege and so this is a story that you really need to be aware of especially if you are a parent

00:01:31.100 and so we're going to get into all of that today and first we are going to start with these allegations

00:01:36.900 of the capital riot being planned so when i first heard about this when i first heard in particular the

00:01:43.600 democrats were talking about this it sounded a little bit like a conspiracy theory in the same way

00:01:48.480 that people saying busloads of antifa rioters were actually like imported into the capital

00:01:54.260 and infiltrated the mob i thought that sounded like a conspiracy theory too and it turns out it wasn't

00:01:59.960 actually true those were not antifa members that were uh being uh bust into the capital to storm the

00:02:07.600 capital now there were and we'll talk about this today there were left-wingers verified left-wingers

00:02:14.020 that were a part of the mob that attacked the capital um and i've talked about this before a lot

00:02:20.100 of you you send me articles because uh you are upset that i haven't confirmed the idea that this was

00:02:27.140 actually a left-wing insurrection rather than mostly trump supporters and that's because i don't see the

00:02:33.860 evidence for um all of the people who stormed the capital being left-wingers or even most of them

00:02:39.240 being left-wingers but i have acknowledged the fact that there are certainly people on the far right

00:02:44.880 and on the far left who have a common cause of wanting to see the world burn of wanting to see

00:02:50.820 the country burn they want to go scorched earth they want to see violence they want to see anarchy

00:02:55.440 uh they they don't like the people who are in power and so they want to destroy and they want to uh

00:03:04.600 they want to knock america down so they can rebuild the future country that they want there are people

00:03:11.500 on the far right and the far left that share that common cause so i have no doubt that there were

00:03:15.980 people across the political spectrum who stormed the capital but this idea that this was a mostly

00:03:21.940 left-wing riot i'm just not buying it because i don't see a lot of evidence but to y'all's points

00:03:27.280 who are frustrated that i haven't given more validity to that assertion there were some people even

00:03:34.240 according to cnn who were left-wingers who were black lives matter who were possibly antifa people 0.95

00:03:39.620 who were also there i have no problem believing that at all there are plenty of crazy people

00:03:45.920 on both sides of the aisle um but that is separate uh from this allegation and this assertion that the

00:03:54.080 capital riot was actually planned um it sounds like something that uh is not true it sounds like

00:04:02.160 something out of some like dystopian novel but apparently there is some validity to it so this

00:04:07.420 is according to usa today some members of congress including those who say they're trained to spot

00:04:13.520 suspicious activity from their time in the military said in the letter that they witnessed in uh in an

00:04:19.780 unusual a number of outside groups visiting the complex on january 5th the day before the riot they

00:04:25.840 allege some of those visitors may have been involved in the deadly insurrection the following day

00:04:31.620 the letter that they wrote also notes that these visitors appear to be associated with the trump

00:04:35.960 rally but they didn't offer any other details so we don't actually know if that's true uh some

00:04:41.360 members of congress the article goes on to say grew suspicious because the only people who could

00:04:46.220 have facilitated such tours they contend are fellow lawmakers and so these are some allegations

00:04:51.940 that are being made in particular by democrats in congress that possibly there were republican lawmakers

00:04:57.760 who were in on this who um kind of aided and abetted the violence and the chaos that we saw at the

00:05:04.640 capitol as of now i don't think that there's any evidence of that and i think partisan accusations

00:05:11.760 like that actually muddy the waters if this really was pre-planned saying without evidence that there

00:05:17.940 were republican lawmakers uh that aided and abetted this it it just it hurts your case at least right now

00:05:24.980 maybe there is evidence of that and hey i think nancy pelosi is right if there were lawmakers who

00:05:30.200 helped make this happen who helped these people commit crimes and cause chaos in which people died

00:05:36.680 just private citizens died and also police officers died then they absolutely should be prosecuted to the

00:05:43.440 fullest extent of the law that's that's terrifying that we would have people in congress who would

00:05:48.620 actually facilitate that kind of law breaking and that kind of anarchy um now cnn like i said also said

00:05:56.700 that it wasn't just people on the right they said that there was a blm activist um who egged on capital

00:06:02.900 writers he was a left-winger who told cnn he was simply there to document the siege uh but he was arrested

00:06:08.940 after a video showed that he smashed a window he wore a gas a gas mask told writers he had a knife and

00:06:15.320 shouted uh we got to get this expletive burned um so that also kind of contributes to this idea that

00:06:23.280 this was that there was foreknowledge of this going on and there are also reports of this being organized

00:06:29.620 on social media on twitter and facebook which i think it's a fair question to ask if a lot of this

00:06:35.820 was organized in particular on facebook why is it parlor that's being taken off the apple app store and

00:06:41.600 the google app store someone asked this question and i thought it was uh a valid one if if that's

00:06:48.520 the case if it's really facebook that's to blame then why are these uh why are these big tech companies

00:06:55.800 like google and apple and amazon targeting parlor and that's because it doesn't actually have to do

00:07:01.900 with the the physical threat of danger that parlor poses but they just don't want the competition and

00:07:07.860 they certainly don't want a company with any kind of free speech values to compete against them it's

00:07:13.840 not because they really want to keep the public safe if amazon and google and apple who all kicked

00:07:20.020 parlor off really were doing so in the interest of public safety then they would also be cracking

00:07:27.280 down on facebook and twitter you know how much unmoderated content and how much propaganda false

00:07:33.360 information doxing abuse pornography is pervasive on those two sites and and they're never punished

00:07:40.980 for it at all they're never taken off their servers they're never kicked off the app store for that kind

00:07:47.580 of misbehavior that happens on those websites and so of course it was targeted discrimination against

00:07:53.500 parlor because of the values that the founders have it had nothing to do with public safety but it does

00:08:00.380 it raises some questions about these social media companies and what their responsibilities

00:08:05.420 actually are when it comes to the organization of violence um the daily wire also reports on the

00:08:15.120 allegation that the writers uh were pre-planning this um and the particular allegation that some

00:08:22.280 writers were planning to capture or kill elected officials they say this on the um the dailywire

00:08:30.200 dot com on friday federal prosecutors backed off their claim that the government had strong

00:08:35.240 evidence that showed the unruly mob that stormed the u.s capital last week intended to capture and

00:08:40.860 assassinate elected officials and so that is probably not the case we've heard that a lot that

00:08:46.520 they're uh that the writers were going to capture them that they were going to tie their hands behind

00:08:52.360 their back with zip ties and they were planning to assassinate them apparently that is hearsay and that's a

00:08:58.800 rumor and right now um officials do not have evidence that that was going to happen um cnn reports that

00:09:07.020 investigators are pursuing the signs that the u.s capital was planned uh according to the article

00:09:12.640 on cnn.com evidence uncovered so far including weapons and tactics seen on surveillance video

00:09:18.320 suggests a level of planning that has led investigators to believe the attack on the u.s capital

00:09:23.300 was not just a protest that spiraled out of control a federal law enforcement official says so here's my

00:09:30.260 question about these very very troubling allegations how things like this could go on uh apparently

00:09:37.640 missed by the fbi or undeterred by the fbi and actually it actually be accomplished i mean the fact

00:09:45.580 that this could have been very plausibly pre-planned and that violent rioters were able to get inside our

00:09:55.800 nation's capital i mean that is mind-blowing that that is mind-blowing and it is a reason for us to

00:10:01.920 question uh the the lack of security there now we did talk about last week there are some assertions

00:10:08.660 that oh the reason there was lack of security is because of white privilege white nationalism white

00:10:13.700 supremacy whatever it is well we can actually look at the measures that were passed in dc and on the

00:10:18.740 federal level that actually really did lead to at least uh some of the lack of security that we saw

00:10:25.620 on camera so i think that was uh last tuesday's episode so make sure that you go check that out there

00:10:33.740 were very real steps that were taken and very real steps that were not taken by both local officials in dc

00:10:40.180 and congress um that's possibly precipitated uh what happened at the capitol but here's my other

00:10:47.700 question this uh this assertion by uh by cnn that this wasn't just a riot that spiraled out of control

00:10:54.580 but it was actually pre-planned so does that mean that the president isn't responsible for it because

00:10:59.800 this whole time congress has been saying he needs to be impeached because he incited violence he incited

00:11:05.760 an insurrection that was the cause of the impeachment in the house and they referred to some of the

00:11:11.460 things that he said in the speech that i agree at the moment and considering the the tenseness of

00:11:18.340 the situation him saying that you need to go go to the capitol and show strength and fight and these

00:11:24.380 things i agree that that could have riled people up and maybe he he he definitely should have chosen his

00:11:30.500 words better and i agree that some of his tweets have been at the very least unhelpful and

00:11:36.740 counterproductive we've talked about all of that and covered all of that but if the reason for his

00:11:42.080 impeachment was that he incited violence in the speech that directly led to what we saw at the

00:11:47.040 capitol but now they're saying that it was pre-planned then does that exonerate president trump then why

00:11:54.000 are why are you impeaching him you can't have both like either it was a riot that spiraled out of

00:11:58.960 control because donald trump said all of these uh crazy things that riled people up and incited

00:12:04.640 people to violence that's what democrats and some republicans in congress are saying or it was pre-planned

00:12:10.660 and it didn't really have anything to do with what president trump said you can't just say uh well you

00:12:16.380 know this probably has to do with president trump even though it was planned before he had a speech this

00:12:21.800 probably still has to do with his tweets this probably still has to do with things that he said

00:12:25.660 i mean that violates every free speech principle that we have in this country unless president

00:12:31.920 trump actually said here's the violence that you need to execute here's what you need to do here's

00:12:38.420 the the physical fight and the physical threat that you need to pose here's how you need to infiltrate

00:12:43.920 the capitol then it's a very hard case to make that he directly and explicitly incited insurrection and

00:12:50.540 incited violence if this was planned especially if this was planned uh before his speech but even if

00:12:56.500 it hadn't been planned before his speech you still have to outline how in his speech he directly called

00:13:02.400 for that violence it becomes this slippery slope it becomes this very low standard that anything anyone

00:13:08.280 says could possibly be seen as inciting violence and we talked about this last week as well i think

00:13:13.560 last wednesday we talked about censorship and how there's a trend of people on the left saying that

00:13:20.120 everything that someone says on the right is inciting violence or is domestic terrorism lilo rose saying

00:13:25.640 that abortion is violence and abortion has said this is domestic terrorism me saying hey christians 0.99

00:13:30.540 like you should you should influence positively and kindly and boldly every sphere of influence in which

00:13:37.100 you occupy a leftist told me that was domestic terrorism and so we do see this trend on the left of

00:13:45.140 slapping anything any kind of disagreement as domestic terrorism or as violence or as inciting

00:13:51.720 violence and that's a real problem i think that we have to be able to say look if this represents

00:13:57.780 your view look i really disagree with what president trump said look i think that he shouldn't he shouldn't

00:14:01.920 have said that and that was wrong you can say he was reckless you can say he was irresponsible you can

00:14:06.360 say that he pushed conspiracy theories uh you can say whatever you want to say about what you think

00:14:13.380 may have indirectly influenced people to do crazy things but in order to be honest and to have any

00:14:20.560 level of integrity you have to hold people on the other side to that same standard as we've talked

00:14:25.660 about so many times like this is not the first or the only act of terrifying violence that we've seen

00:14:32.400 in the past year and i'm not trying to minimize what happened at the capital i'm not trying to say

00:14:37.820 what about or look away or distract or detract from that at all i'm just saying look like let's

00:14:43.040 consistently be against political violence and if you're gonna say that anything that someone on

00:14:48.600 the right incites violence and domestic terrorism um anything they say incites those things then you

00:14:54.960 have to wonder what people on the left said to incite the violence that we've seen across america cities

00:15:00.400 i would rather take a step back and say you know what unless someone directly calls for violence

00:15:07.000 uh unless someone is purposely ratcheting up uh the the aggression and purposely raising the temperature

00:15:16.040 provably in order to incite violence that we probably need to back off that kind of allegation

00:15:22.480 on the left and the right because remember there was a man who shot up a baseball field trying to

00:15:27.980 kill republican lawmakers and he said the reason why he did it was because bernie sanders said that

00:15:33.000 republicans were going to kick 24 million people off of their health insurance did we hold bernie 0.62

00:15:37.620 sanders liable for that no we didn't and i think it's good that we did it um and the same thing with

00:15:42.060 maxine waters telling people to get in people's faces nancy pelosi saying that there should be

00:15:46.460 uprisings across the country ayanna presley saying there will be unrest in the streets as long as there

00:15:52.060 is unrest in our lives aoc saying protesters are supposed to make or protests are supposed to make

00:15:57.360 people uh feel uncomfortable this is in the midst of cities burning to the ground this is in the midst

00:16:03.340 of of that arson and the looting and the rioting and the violence and the assault and the murder of

00:16:09.120 children that happened across cities in this country for the past six plus months these lawmakers

00:16:15.180 and these democrats and these left-wing commentators were saying things like riots are the voice of the

00:16:20.340 unheard justifying it so again if you are going to hold president trump's speech or people on the right

00:16:25.260 speech to that standard then be consistent and apply it to the other side or do what i think that

00:16:30.800 we should do take a step back and and stop holding people to that standard should we be careful with

00:16:36.900 our speech yes i do i think we should be uh exact and specific and try to avoid hyperbole when we can

00:16:44.100 i think we should be kind and we should be gentle and truthful in everything that we say um but we also

00:16:50.780 have to be gracious and understanding and fair towards other people and the standards that we

00:16:56.100 hold them to and accusations that we level against them so again if this was all pre-planned which it's

00:17:03.800 looking like there are there's pretty good evidence that at least it partly was then you at least somewhat

00:17:11.260 have to take president trump off the hook for inciting this insurrection you can't have both it's either

00:17:17.540 one or the other i think in my opinion all right um that's all i've got on that now i want to get to

00:17:25.640 this conversation with christopher rufo about the craziness that is going on in our public schools

00:17:31.800 chris thank you so much for joining me had you on the podcast before and it was a super popular episode

00:17:43.160 everyone loved hearing your insight about how critical theory and critical race theory are

00:17:47.840 infiltrating um our education system and even our federal government frighteningly enough uh this

00:17:54.560 time i want to talk to you specifically about how it's infiltrating um some levels of our public

00:18:00.220 education system and specifically about this uh tweet thread that you put out i think a week or two ago

00:18:06.980 about a cupertino elementary school that forced third graders to quote deconstruct their racial and

00:18:14.440 sexual identities and then rank themselves according to power and privilege can you explain a little bit

00:18:21.160 more about what this was yeah this was a third grade class in cupertino california you know cupertino is

00:18:27.960 famously home to apple and other tech companies uh the median home price is 2.4 million i think it's safe to

00:18:34.560 say that uh very few or possibly no people in cupertino are oppressed and yet they're perpetuating

00:18:41.220 the ideology of kind of culture and race-based marxism and in this class uh during a math class the teacher

00:18:48.280 uh taught a lesson where uh they read a book about intersectionality theory um to eight and nine-year-olds

00:18:55.040 and then asked them to create an identity map to break down their race class gender sexual orientation

00:19:01.560 um religion uh language and then create essentially a self-hierarchy of their power and privilege

00:19:09.740 the teacher said that certain parts of your identity and certain people in this class

00:19:14.560 hold power and privilege over others and certain of you are oppressed so essentially dividing eight

00:19:21.220 and nine-year-olds who i think would have a very hard time even conceptualizing this into oppressors

00:19:27.220 and oppressed along racial and sexual lines and the parents were frankly outraged and luckily a number 0.84

00:19:33.720 of asian american parents uh pushed back and were able to shut it down um but i think it's really just

00:19:39.760 the tip of the iceberg on these kind of programs within public schools and what were the complaints

00:19:44.980 that these parents leveled against the school it's quite interesting a number of these uh parents were

00:19:51.860 chinese american immigrants and uh they told me anonymously for fear of you know yeah people

00:19:58.080 lashing out at them they said you know we lived through the cultural revolution in china and these

00:20:04.840 kind of training sessions dividing people turning student against student turning um you know children

00:20:11.140 against parents was a core tactic of kind of mao's cultural revolution and it started with these kind of

00:20:17.920 word games and intellectual games and ended up with millions of people being butchered so they took it

00:20:23.780 very seriously and you know they told me we've seen this play we've seen this story before uh we came to

00:20:30.120 this country to get away from it and we're not going to let it happen here do you think the purpose that's

00:20:36.180 driving these kinds of sessions in school is division or do you think the people perpetuating it and even the

00:20:43.020 people who kind of came up with it truly think that they this is a vehicle for progress and a vehicle

00:20:49.040 for reconciliation and unity yeah i you know i i take people you know at their word in general i think

00:20:57.140 that's a pretty safe default you actually have to just listen to people and i think they're genuinely

00:21:02.480 kind of true believers they're committed to this idea that the united states is an inherently

00:21:07.260 an irredeemably racist society and that's what critical race theory that's the cornerstone really

00:21:14.300 of critical race theory right that's is that's the foundation it all kind of emanates from that

00:21:19.280 and they are you know i think in many cases a lot of people especially working in the public sector are

00:21:25.860 are genuinely interested in kind of advancing uh you know african americans advancing uh other kind of

00:21:34.280 marginalized peoples but i think what's happened is that they've bought into an ideology that

00:21:39.580 starts there right it starts with the idea that let's kind of help people let's uh advance people

00:21:45.480 who have been historically marginalized but they do it in such a way and their analysis is based on

00:21:50.520 these presuppositions that make it extremely divisive extremely toxic and i think that the theoreticians

00:21:57.520 the people who originated a lot of these concepts they're well aware of this and they're well aware that

00:22:03.560 the implications of their theories they're well aware that um they fundamentally oppose uh america

00:22:09.300 as an idea as an institution and their their philosophies operate on the principle of negation

00:22:15.300 so the principle of of of denying of tearing down of destroying there's very little that is optimistic

00:22:22.800 or unifying or kind of uplifting in these philosophies and i think a lot of the people who are in the

00:22:28.440 field whether they're diversity trainers or teachers or corporate people um they don't have the

00:22:34.680 understanding and the kind of uh analysis to see where these things can go wrong and you end up in a

00:22:40.920 third grade classroom you know deconstructing the the sexual identities of elementary school students

00:22:46.600 yeah which is also just on top of everything you just said very creepy to kind of force young kids

00:22:54.840 into this mindset that they don't naturally go into to have an adult guide them into deconstructing

00:23:00.740 their sexuality something that like you said at the beginning they can probably not even conceptualize

00:23:05.580 because their emotional and and mental and physical maturity just isn't there yet do you think that there

00:23:12.760 are consequences to placing what are very i don't even know if you call them adult ideas but academic

00:23:20.700 academic ideas and um these kind of racial and sexual ideas into children at such a young age what do you

00:23:29.560 think the consequences of that could be yeah i mean it could be devastating and we're frankly seeing the

00:23:35.500 consequences in a in a city like portland oregon where uh the education system from kind of pre-k all the

00:23:41.940 way through high school has bought into critical race theory they teach explicitly critical race theory as part of

00:23:46.980 the curriculum and what you see in portland is that once you pump these ideas into young people

00:23:52.980 year after year after year when you train them uh not for education but for activism uh you get kind of

00:24:00.300 200 days of of of riots and and civil disorder um you know i think at least 18 minors were arrested

00:24:08.040 in the antifa riots in portland at least five public school teachers were arrested as antifa

00:24:13.940 in portland so you're gonna get essentially you're gonna get what you're aiming for you're gonna get

00:24:19.640 a group of young people who are who are convinced that the system is out to oppress them that the

00:24:27.140 institutions that they grow up in are evil and they only know kind of violence negation uh and resistance

00:24:34.680 and have built up very little a sense of of history a sense of continuity a sense of the good

00:24:41.680 and that only goes one way and i think you're seeing you're starting to see that happen in a

00:24:46.540 number of cities around the united states so they're teaching hatred of your country they're teaching

00:24:52.140 hatred of yourself possibly depending on what your identity is and the more unoppressed you are according

00:24:59.480 to the intersectionality scale you might be taught to resent your family especially if you hear that

00:25:04.940 heteronormativity for example is something that is oppressive or the patriarchy is oppressive

00:25:10.380 you as a child might start to view your family as something that is part of oppression and you

00:25:16.220 might start resenting the way that you were raised if your parents are christians or you know a religion

00:25:23.220 that intersectionality says has been traditionally oppressive you start hating the values that in what

00:25:29.380 your parents have um have placed uh in you and uh you know i i heard a woman the other day say

00:25:36.440 i didn't know that my daughter had been radicalized by what she had been learning this kind of stuff in

00:25:42.320 public school until she was a junior in high school you know we're a christian family we're a normal

00:25:46.540 family we're a stable family all of a sudden i start talking to her about politics and values and she

00:25:52.140 comes back at me with stuff that i've never heard before so unfortunately some of this can be very um

00:25:58.440 it can i think that it can infiltrate curriculum and our kids education especially in the public school

00:26:05.480 system without parents even being aware that it's happening do you think that's true yeah it's

00:26:11.540 absolutely true it's kind of like you know that game i think it's called three card monty where they

00:26:15.680 hide the they hide the the little ball under the cards or the cups it's really like that and what they do

00:26:20.920 is a language game they change the kind of labels and euphemisms that they use to hide

00:26:26.120 a critical race theory to hide kind of marxist analysis um and they call it culturally responsive

00:26:33.960 culturally competent um they call it ethnic studies they call it all of these things that

00:26:39.300 uh if you're a parent kind of glancing at the curriculum and say yeah culturally competent that

00:26:43.220 sounds great empowerment um you know i saw a great curriculum coming in the other day into my email

00:26:49.380 box that it was saying oh this is our curriculum of empowerment it sounds great it's about developing

00:26:54.240 skills developing mastery except they define empowerment as overthrowing the existing uh

00:27:00.540 oppressive power structures and uh you have to really dig into what kids are learning i think that

00:27:06.740 uh state legislators should have uh a requirement that teachers and school districts post the curriculum

00:27:12.360 publicly in its entirety so parents can easily browse what their children are learning um because they play

00:27:19.080 this really duplicitous game they take radical ideas they take extremely destructive ideas and then they

00:27:25.580 mask them in this kind of anodyne language in the language of kind of personal development or empowerment

00:27:32.080 or cultural competence um but what's inside is exactly what uh your friend saw um it's it's you know

00:27:40.060 and five years ago ten years ago i would even hesitate to use the words but it really is a kind of

00:27:45.580 1960s marxism style concept uh that is being repackaged for education yeah and you know i saw someone say

00:27:54.740 someone with a lot of followers has a big influence um someone asked them do you think that we are right

00:28:01.680 to be worried about marxism not just in relation to our children but also legislation and this person said

00:28:07.720 well you know there's no legislation that is trying to take away uh take away private property so you don't

00:28:13.260 need to be worried about marxism not understanding that marxism shows up in a variety of different

00:28:18.460 ways before congress says or before a president says yeah we're going to take away your private

00:28:23.140 property and a lot of people i think hear the term marxism today and they say oh that's just a

00:28:27.540 right-wing buzzword we don't even need to listen to that but the fact of the matter is is that things

00:28:32.800 like critical race theory intersectionality pitting class against class race against race it does go back

00:28:40.040 to marx and the and the frankfurt school and this idea of pitting people against each other based on

00:28:46.340 either perceived or actual privilege and it is something we should be concerned about yeah i think

00:28:51.880 i think you know both are true and i think that the right has to update uh its language you know we used

00:28:56.820 to in the kind of cold war times we were really fighting socialism was it which was government control

00:29:01.900 of the means of production centralized economic planning um that obviously collapsed in the late 1980s

00:29:07.820 early 1990s and yet you find a lot of mainstream conservative institutions still kind of worrying

00:29:12.600 about socialism and those debates are frankly very easily won by the left um what we really need to

00:29:19.540 worry about is is kind of you know capital m marxism and the marxists in the 1960s when they saw that

00:29:27.260 everything really had collapsed in the communist states yeah they said we need to update our our approach

00:29:32.760 and we think that we can achieve uh the outcomes of kind of revolutionary marxism the outcomes of

00:29:38.320 overthrowing capitalist society not through the direct kind of means of production control but by

00:29:45.300 dismantling the culture that upholds those systems and institutions and that's what we're seeing right

00:29:51.740 now and frankly it's i think it's a worse threat because yeah you know people can take your property

00:29:57.100 you can move you can buy new property you can kind of uh you can you can you can re reconstitute your

00:30:04.660 wealth right um it's much harder to do when someone destroys your culture when someone destroys your

00:30:10.920 uh family structure when someone destroys your community uh to me it's actually a deeper threat and

00:30:17.140 and again at to your point it also includes at some point the kind of seizure of property if you look at

00:30:24.020 a kind of foundational text in critical race theory by a law professor named cheryl harris it's called

00:30:28.720 whiteness as property her argument was that our right to property and other constitutional rights um 0.68

00:30:34.540 are are essentially uh part of the white supremacist system and what we need to do is break down those

00:30:41.160 conceptions in the law and eventually reorder society through a large-scale wealth seizures and

00:30:47.540 redistribution along the kind of african decolonial model so all of these things go together we need to be 0.99

00:30:53.240 very smart in how we fight it and what we prioritize and i think you know you already touched on one of

00:30:58.760 the reasons why this is so difficult for a lot of people is because of the language the in cupertino

00:31:04.340 for example they were going through the book this book is anti-racist well i've seen very well-meaning

00:31:09.140 people who would not call themselves marxist say i want to be anti-racist because of course you do

00:31:14.320 of course you do that sounds good if you don't want to be a racist and you're hearing from people it's

00:31:18.420 not enough to not be racist but you need to be anti-racist well you know if you're a well-meaning

00:31:23.800 person who truly does love the people around you you're not a racist you might just think sure i

00:31:29.740 need to embrace that language i'm going to embrace the teachings of ibram x kindy i am going to listen

00:31:35.520 to marginalized voices and i want my child to be oriented around this kind of um language and

00:31:42.020 perspective as well what would you say to people who are just now kind of waking up and realizing oh

00:31:48.420 okay this is not as innocent as i thought it was and uh but i still you know i still want to do good

00:31:54.640 i still want to prove that i'm i'm not racist how do i walk that line what do i throw out what do i

00:32:01.120 keep well you know i mean first of all to to the people who are perpetuating the kind of ideology of

00:32:07.840 anti-racism you can never prove that you're not racist because that's the key kind of psychological

00:32:13.780 and social control they have over you and they're not going to let it go i mean even people you know

00:32:18.700 uh even people who are very well intentioned and very bought into this ideology they'll tell you well

00:32:24.020 you can never truly be not racist you know you're always going to be racist that's what defines you

00:32:29.480 and and you have to kind of submit to our program in totality in order to atone for your kind of inner

00:32:36.260 uh essence of evil and this is really destructive and i would tell people uh think of it as a kind

00:32:43.120 of cult um i saw a document that i'm going to be reporting uh later where they were going through

00:32:49.020 the kind of eight stages of white identity development and what they're trying to do and

00:32:54.080 this is from a school district um and again you know in in a public school funded by public dollars

00:32:59.580 they're saying essentially we need to break down our white students we need to uh disorient them 0.98

00:33:04.960 we need to disintegrate their existing personalities and implant into them this ideology of anti-racism

00:33:12.080 uh and then create these series of kind of guilt traps of shaming uh kind of shaming rituals in order

00:33:19.920 for them to fully break themselves down and adopt this new revolutionary personality um and you know i think

00:33:28.320 we just have to show parents what's happening and i think all kind of right-thinking people once they

00:33:32.900 actually see the details of what's happening uh will rightly kind of recoil and ask what they can do

00:33:39.680 to push back yep absolutely and speaking of that my last question you talked about how some of these

00:33:46.440 uh chinese american parents of students in this cupertino elementary school how they did push back i think

00:33:53.540 you said that this particular program or curriculum um was taken out it was removed because of how they

00:34:00.040 stood up there are other parents across the country that are suing school districts or suing their

00:34:04.600 schools for things like compelled speech for compelling young students to say you know i'm

00:34:09.880 privileged i'm an oppressor or whatever it is can you talk about some of those tactics and encourage

00:34:16.140 any parents out there who are like okay i'm ready i i want to i want to do something to try to

00:34:20.820 push back on this in a way that's effective yeah i think there's two things you can do you can join a

00:34:26.200 kind of growing grassroots movement against critical race theory in schools uh and you can push back

00:34:31.400 directly against teachers principals school boards school districts um but you know second uh kind of

00:34:38.920 above that and kind of abstraction is uh these are going to be kind of i think pivotal lawsuits in the

00:34:45.260 coming years and i i can't share a lot i can't share details right now but um you know the the president

00:34:51.720 trump passed an executive order banning critical race theory from federal uh institute federal

00:34:56.000 government agencies uh and joe biden i think without a shadow of a doubt in the coming weeks will

00:35:01.540 actually get rid of that executive order and um i'll be making a major announcement on the heels of

00:35:08.300 joe biden getting rid of it um you know there are some very smart people uh very smart attorneys that

00:35:13.960 are now mobilizing um and we're going to be making a major announcement on that because

00:35:18.460 these programs are clearly uh illegal under the civil rights act of 1964 they traffic in racial 0.77

00:35:25.200 stereotypes they create a hostile work environment they compel speech uh there's a number of avenues

00:35:30.660 that they're falling afoul and i think that'd be a good avenue for change yeah they create some of

00:35:35.800 that implicit bias training um i've heard in uh some workplaces actually creates implicit bias that

00:35:44.040 people didn't actually have before because it kind of you know it divides people by their

00:35:48.840 various superficial identities and so i'm very glad for the work you do and for the encouragement

00:35:54.100 and equipment that you give people please tell people how they can support you yeah you know i think

00:35:59.440 one of the best things i'm going to be doing a series a 10-part investigative series on critical

00:36:04.220 race theory in schools um and you can sign up for my newsletter for free it's at christopherrufo.com

00:36:09.820 uh slash newsletter just christopherrufo.com slash newsletter um i'll be doing this series and

00:36:15.380 you'll get a taste of exactly what's happening within the classroom within the schools and then

00:36:20.660 some kind of best practices on how to fight back awesome well we will include that link in the

00:36:25.140 description for this podcast youtube wherever people listen thank you so much for taking the time

00:36:30.360 to talk to us i really appreciate your insight and again all of the work that you're doing thank you

00:36:36.160 okay guys i want to end with uh a tribute uh to martin luther king jr this is mlk day and what he

00:36:49.960 represented and the words that he taught and what he preached uh came from a place of love and positive

00:36:57.880 progress and actual reconciliation and unity that i think has been lost on so many people today and so

00:37:04.540 much of what he said uh was founded in the truth that we find in god's word and is really the

00:37:11.800 antithesis of what we see in something like critical race theory that unfortunately is infiltrating so

00:37:17.820 many sectors of society and is doing the exact opposite of what we want as a country it's not

00:37:23.580 bringing people together because it's very nature it's very purpose is to divide is to split people up

00:37:30.080 to pit one class against another class to pit one race against another race if we believe that racism

00:37:36.740 is a sin which we do because first john is very clear you cannot love god and hate your brother

00:37:42.020 so you cannot hate your brother for any reason whether it's skin color ethnicity nationality whether

00:37:49.120 it's because of their age or ability or disability whatever it is the people of god are called to love

00:37:55.960 first the lord with all of our heart mind soul and strength and to love our neighbor all of our

00:38:00.280 neighbors as ourselves and that love that we are called to is not defined by the world we hear a lot

00:38:05.560 of people saying oh you know you're just you're supposed to love your neighbor that means that uh you're not

00:38:10.620 supposed to say anything uncomfortable you're not allowed to disagree with them or you're not allowed

00:38:15.780 to talk about sin and repentance and things like that we reject that worldly idea and definition of what

00:38:21.740 love is because first john also says that god is love and if god is love and he says what's right

00:38:27.680 and what's wrong and what's good and what's bad then we are also being loving by saying and living those

00:38:32.780 things but we love our neighbor not just by speaking truth but by serving them by wanting what's best for

00:38:38.280 them by putting uh their interests uh above our own and don't let anyone tell you that that is not enough

00:38:46.700 all of these books about how to be an anti-racist are packaged in a way that sounds good it might even

00:38:53.920 sound biblical but will ultimately tear you apart from the inside out it will tear your family apart

00:38:59.860 it will tear your community apart it will tear your school apart it will tear your church apart because

00:39:04.900 these are worldly ideas that say that they bring reconciliation and unity and only bring division and resentment

00:39:11.980 and hate and further bias that's not what we want in from what mlk said in his own speeches it doesn't

00:39:21.040 sound like that was his goal either from his 1964 nobel peace prize acceptance speech he said this

00:39:28.320 violence is immoral because it thrives on hatred rather than love violence ends up defeating itself it

00:39:34.960 creates bitterness in the survivors and brutality in the destroyers i believed that unarmed truth

00:39:41.300 an unconditional love will have the final word in reality this is why right temporarily defeated

00:39:48.320 is stronger than evil triumphant i think this is true and look we can acknowledge that parts of the church

00:39:54.680 failed on this in the civil rights era of the 1960s that they did not

00:40:00.240 uphold uh the banner of unconditional love and unarmed truth

00:40:05.660 but that doesn't mean that in order to rectify the mistakes that the church may have made then

00:40:11.740 that we have to adopt worldly definitions of justice and reconciliation when the gospel is still the answer

00:40:18.220 unarmed truth in unconditional love is still the answer

00:40:22.620 god still says what love is he still says what right is he still says what our responsibility is

00:40:28.480 which is to love him with all of our heart mind soul and strength and to love our neighbor as ourself

00:40:33.300 don't let anyone tell you that that the two greatest commandments according to jesus is not enough it is

00:40:39.800 enough so whenever you feel like you're not doing enough like you're not um enough of an activist or

00:40:46.580 you're not adopting all of the new woke language or you're not reading all the right books god tells you

00:40:52.080 what to do love god and love your neighbor um james 3 13 through 18 says this and i think that it's very

00:41:00.660 pertinent for what we're talking about who is wise and understanding among you by his good conduct let

00:41:06.540 him show his works in the meekness of wisdom but if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in

00:41:11.680 your hearts do not boast and be false to the truth this is not the wisdom that comes down from above

00:41:18.240 but it is earthly unspiritual demonic for where jealousy and selfish ambition exist there will be

00:41:25.420 disorder in every vile practice but the wisdom from above is first pure then peaceable gentle open

00:41:34.000 to reason full of mercy and good fruits impartial and sincere and a harvest of righteousness is sown in

00:41:40.940 peace by those who make peace critical race theory and the tenets that it purports causes disorder

00:41:47.980 it causes dismay it causes division the people who purport it you've probably experienced in your own

00:41:54.600 life are not gentle they're not peaceable they're not open to reason they're not full of mercy they're

00:42:01.560 actually very eager uh to execute cancellation it's it does not bear good fruits the tree of crt bears

00:42:09.440 bad fruits because it's a bad tree it's bad at its roots it is never going to bear anything that's good

00:42:15.560 when i hear people say that there are some good things to crt there are some things that we should take

00:42:21.140 from it and there are some things that we shouldn't take from it you can't do that jesus says that a tree

00:42:27.320 is known by its fruit it's a bad tree and this is not just a leftist problem there are plenty of bad

00:42:34.080 trees on the so-called right as well and so we have to reject what causes what causes people to not be open

00:42:43.880 to reason to refuse to refuse to be full of mercy and to not bear good fruits crt it encourages the

00:42:53.240 jealousy and selfish ambition as we saw in this curriculum uh in this curriculum taught in these

00:42:59.420 elementary schools that is earthly unspiritual and demonic and where it exists just like every other 0.58

00:43:06.340 worldly ideology no matter which side of the eye aisle that it's on there will be disorder and every

00:43:12.300 vile practice um and so we have to remember where the truth exists uh where our inspiration for love

00:43:23.100 exists where our order um our instruction for reconciliation and unity exists how we're going

00:43:30.620 to come together it's not by teaching kids to hate themselves and to resent one another and to hate

00:43:36.680 their family and to hate their values and to hate their country love is not going to come from hate

00:43:42.000 i think martin luther king jr was very effective and very clear about that throughout his life and

00:43:50.000 throughout his ministry and so um let us remember that today let us remember that the word of god is

00:43:55.840 enough that the commandments that god gives us is enough it is enough for obedience it is enough for

00:44:01.600 holiness it is enough for righteousness it is enough for justice all right that's all i got for today

00:44:07.360 i will see you guys back here tomorrow

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - January 18, 2021

Ep 353 ｜ Our Kids Are Learning What？! ｜ Guest： Chris Rufo

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