Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 356 ｜ Biden's Call for 'Unity' & the Future of the GOP ｜ Guest： Rep. Dan Crenshaw

00:00:00.000 hey guys happy thursday welcome to relatable yesterday was the inauguration and we are going

00:00:16.200 to dissect some parts of the inauguration on monday we'll talk about it more thoroughly i'm

00:00:21.820 also going to talk about i think depending on what happens in the next few days if there's some

00:00:25.740 breaking news that we have to cover on monday we might have to change things but right now i'm

00:00:29.280 planning on talking also about this accusation of christian nationalism it was talked a lot

00:00:33.860 about when there was christian symbolism mixed with confederate flags and other awful atrocious

00:00:40.460 blasphemous things at the capitol riot on january 6th but there have been some convoluted definitions

00:00:48.700 i think of what christian nationalism actually is we've talked about it on this podcast i want to

00:00:52.760 analyze it more thoroughly and compare what actual christian nationalism is to the accusations of it

00:00:58.820 and also to the integration of the christian faith with the inauguration of joe biden and what this

00:01:05.520 all means and how we should think about it so we'll get into all of that on monday today i'm talking to

00:01:10.620 congressman dan crenshaw we're talking about some of the promises and calls to unity that we heard

00:01:15.420 from joe biden and democrats uh at the same time that many democrats and cronies in the media are

00:01:21.800 calling everyone who disagrees with them you know white supremacists and all of these awful names and

00:01:26.980 if that unity is possible what we can expect from the next couple years in the next four years

00:01:32.180 as democrats control congress and the white house um we'll talk also a little bit about immigration

00:01:38.360 policy so i'm really interested or i'm excited for you guys to hear um some of this insight because i

00:01:45.040 know that you're interested in that um okay so without further ado here is congressman dan crenshaw

00:01:51.760 congressman thank you so much for joining me again i want to talk to you about a few things today

00:02:01.880 first on the heels of inauguration i'm sure that you watched the inauguration ceremony everyone

00:02:07.420 listening did a lot of calls to unity to faith to togetherness um and i you know i'm sure you want

00:02:14.800 that and i want that as well seems to contradict though some of the messages that we're seeing from

00:02:20.240 your democratic colleagues some people in the media who tend to castigate and chastise everyone

00:02:25.680 who disagrees with them even slightly so do you have hope or optimism for us being able to come

00:02:31.180 together and actually make some progress for the country look i i'm okay i'll always say that i'm

00:02:37.640 optimistic um and there's certain things that we can work on that i think would be beneficial um

00:02:43.020 but we're we're looking into an immediate reboot of the obama era when it comes to left-wing media

00:02:50.460 left-wing pundits um the just the way they describe the right you know long before trump ever showed up

00:02:55.800 to the stage um we would always kind of repeat this basic mantra which is the right thinks the left is 1.00

00:03:01.900 wrong but the left thinks the right is evil right they think we're we're a bunch of stupid rubes that 0.99

00:03:07.540 just if they only understood how much progress they wanted to make and how much advancement 1.00

00:03:11.520 is is in store for our society if we would just listen to these these enlightened progressives

00:03:16.940 um that's all that's back in full force okay the the media doing all of their journalisming

00:03:22.400 on um on what kind of shoes kamala harris is wearing and how cool and american it is and how how just

00:03:29.300 down to earth she is oh my god um you know what the president is uh what he has for his ice cream i mean

00:03:35.460 it's just what who's going to get the peloton first in the white house i mean oh my god you know the

00:03:40.920 really important stuff and meanwhile just like and and because obviously just obviously according to

00:03:46.480 the media all of the policies that they're going to put in place are just exactly what you'd want so

00:03:51.980 we don't even really need to cover them the pros and cons the cost the benefits we don't even need

00:03:56.060 to cover that stuff because it's just so obviously good we'll just talk about what they're wearing

00:04:01.500 today because they're basically our little progressive celebrities okay yeah so that's

00:04:05.920 that's what we're in store for and it just irks it just irks conservatives it just irks i mean to a

00:04:10.540 really deep level yeah it's funny like a friend of mine a democrat friend of mine was texting me today

00:04:15.960 um with what i believe is just the most condescending message about like hey this is you guys should be

00:04:22.440 happy about this because it's like an it's a it's an opportunity for you to just just really like

00:04:27.140 get rid of all the bad stuff for your party it's like your independence day and i'm just like oh god

00:04:31.960 like even if i agree with like the problems that you're noting in my own side right because i see

00:04:38.380 problems on my own side of course like i'm i freely talk about them but i don't want to hear your

00:04:44.340 condescending tone about it right because one i don't think you get it and two it's just it's just 0.96

00:04:50.540 annoying and if you to paint 75 million people as as these these dumb uh uh bitter greedy rubes that 0.95

00:05:01.460 just don't understand your enlightenment i mean it's i'm just so sick of it and you're just hearing 0.98

00:05:05.300 it constantly okay so that's my rant ali yeah well we're hearing people say i mean on that we've

00:05:11.120 literally heard people use the term i think it was katie couric to to um on some show she was talking

00:05:18.300 about uh deprogramming the people who voted for donald trump even though people haven't said

00:05:24.320 explicitly hey we need these re-education programs they're basically implying it they're saying okay

00:05:30.240 how do we organize in such a way that we get all the people who voted for donald trump tell them that

00:05:35.620 they've been lied to and deprogrammed them but i mean our values aren't going to change there's a

00:05:41.760 reason why we couldn't bring ourselves some of us to vote for joe biden our policy positions most of

00:05:47.920 the time we're not going to change is there going to be any kind of sincere efforts from the other

00:05:55.660 side from the liberal media to try to understand hey this is why we voted the way that we did even

00:06:01.080 those of us who maybe didn't love everything that donald trump did because that's the only way i think

00:06:05.680 that we're going to achieve any kind of so-called unity if it's even possible but i don't think they

00:06:11.640 want to understand me or us at all no no and they and the people who can make intellectual arguments

00:06:19.520 like myself and like you can and like and frankly you know conservatives just i like to say this

00:06:24.200 conservatives should feel a sense of optimism we have a great bench of people like you and i would

00:06:30.920 like to say people like me who we just didn't have 10 to 15 years ago people who can really speak to

00:06:36.460 uh young americans and speak to a wide variety of americans not just hardcore conservatives

00:06:42.240 about why we believe what we believe we should be optimistic about our ability to make those

00:06:46.460 arguments but what does the left do i mean they they they try to destroy me i've got a bunch of

00:06:51.740 harvard students trying to revoke my degree which is just kind of hilarious but also just a sad marker

00:06:57.900 of our times right like you don't want if we don't agree with somebody cancel them cancel them and

00:07:02.480 destroy their character i mean this this is this is their only tactic because they really can't win

00:07:06.820 arguments the thing about my my fellow harvard students is that i know exactly what they're

00:07:12.040 going to say before they say it they're very predictable their their reasoning on policy issues

00:07:16.560 is about an inch deep and they're but the good ones like the real liberals the one who actually

00:07:22.180 want to understand you know how we think i love watching their faces as i explain to them why we might

00:07:27.740 fall on this section of a policy issue or fall on the side of a policy issue and it it's it's it's

00:07:34.480 disbelief right it's like huh and think about it that way now that's what a real liberal does okay and

00:07:40.420 there's few and farther there are fewer and further between unfortunately but that's what a real liberal

00:07:44.600 does the thing about the democrat party is they're not full of liberals anymore the thing about the

00:07:49.680 left-wing media is they're not full of liberals anymore they're full of leftist progressives

00:07:54.340 that believe in a post-modernist society and they believe in change for the sake of change and they

00:07:58.720 have no problem trampling on the first amendment or the second amendment or whatever amendment you

00:08:03.060 choose in order to get their way they don't they don't like the republic as its structure they prefer a

00:08:08.300 pure mob democracy and they want to structure different constituencies within that to get to

00:08:12.960 their 51 percent and this is the real goal that's why you won't see the kind of healing that they

00:08:19.140 sort of like to to give this um you know to give some um talking points to and that's all it is i

00:08:26.060 mean if they were going to do it they would be doing it now and then slowly revert back to their own

00:08:30.320 their old ways i mean that would be a that would be the best strategy that i could imagine if you're

00:08:34.640 them but they're i mean they're not even trying to hide their contempt for the country right and they

00:08:39.940 feel justified because of the events of a couple weeks ago which you and i both agree were egregious

00:08:47.040 and embarrassing and awful and criminal um but they're using that to then uh apply whatever

00:08:55.340 standards they're placing on those people or whatever descriptors are placed on those people

00:08:59.040 to apply them to everyone else who voted for donald trump but of course they don't hold themselves to

00:09:04.540 the same standard when people who voted for joe biden are burning down cities and uh destroying

00:09:10.220 people's businesses i think you talked about the media hypocrisy irking people that hypocrisy really

00:09:16.300 irks conservatives too even if we do have a desire to come together seeing that kind of

00:09:22.140 duplicitousness from politicians from the people who say that they want to reconcile and come together

00:09:28.820 it's just rubs us the wrong way it's it's not though it's not the way it's not the way that i that

00:09:34.800 we're going to be brought together i don't think do you no no i mean like i was very outspoken um

00:09:44.840 on on january 6th about what happened and uh i took a lot of heat from it from our side right

00:09:50.760 because because you know and i get it right i i i get the reaction the visceral reaction it's like

00:09:58.880 don't apologize for anything because look at them i understand that guys but but if i if i am to

00:10:04.280 maintain my intellectual consistency if i if i am to maintain the moral high ground and i think it's

00:10:09.880 pretty important that your leaders have these two things okay intellectual consistency and moral

00:10:15.100 high ground otherwise otherwise when i start making the argument that democrat politicians

00:10:19.360 and democrat leaders are indeed responsible for the blm riots because i do believe they are

00:10:24.240 because of their rhetoric because when you tell people that they're oppressed and they have no hope

00:10:28.160 in life and that cops are chasing them down in the streets don't be surprised if they burned a

00:10:31.780 bunch of buildings down okay so i think that's a pretty good way to put lay moral blame on somebody

00:10:36.720 so you've got to let me be intellectually consistent i mean that that's my message to

00:10:40.720 the right when you're so mad at me because because i dare to acknowledge some some truth here 0.94

00:10:44.660 um but i also acknowledge what frustrates everybody on the right which is that the left is full of liars 0.99

00:10:52.220 and hypocrites and that they pretended that antifa doesn't exist they pretend that it doesn't matter 0.96

00:10:57.480 or that it's even justified that that blocks and blocks of american cities are just being destroyed 0.97

00:11:03.260 by these left-wing mobs i mean over just the past couple of weeks too yeah by the way but there's

00:11:07.880 they're still smashing up businesses in portland and that's a whole other story i think it just blows

00:11:14.440 my mind that people in portland are still voting for this yeah um but they are so i mean fine i guess

00:11:20.160 that that's your thing guys yeah um but uh you know don't bring it here it's it's really sad and

00:11:26.080 it's listen it's not going to work this this fake unity message that we keep being uh told is going to

00:11:32.540 happen yeah um and i'd also like to point something else out to my my leftist friends you

00:11:37.460 know i i don't plan on going easy on biden but look how i look how i go at it all right i list

00:11:45.520 specific policy issues that i disagree with and i explain why they're wrong and why i want to fight

00:11:50.980 against them i don't just call you evil i don't just call him old or seen i don't insult him i just

00:11:57.140 i go after the ideas i go after the policy issues maybe the left could learn something a little bit

00:12:01.680 about that and acknowledge that there's there's there's fundamental policy disagreements and

00:12:06.160 ideological disagreements in our country and confront those where they're at confront me

00:12:11.040 confront my argument directly instead of always going always trying to flank me with some kind

00:12:15.980 insult to my character they certainly could learn something from that but i think that they see what

00:12:29.960 works and they see what's effective in some ways is that winning the culture war does make it does

00:12:35.960 mean in some cases making every issue a moral issue and holding ideas that you disagree with

00:12:42.500 the person has to be castigated as evil if you want to shame people into believing what you believe

00:12:49.580 or at least saying that they believe what you believe so unfortunately they've gained ground

00:12:54.460 doing that i think that there are too many conservatives and quite frankly probably too many

00:12:58.280 republicans who are afraid to argue with democrats at least publicly about antifa or about the radical

00:13:04.900 parts of black lives matter because they don't want to i think there are too many republicans in 0.72

00:13:09.600 washington who don't want to fight the culture war democrats in washington want to fight the culture

00:13:14.160 war and they're not scared to fight the culture war but i think a lot of conservatives feel like

00:13:18.360 yeah you know there are some people in dc like you who care about cultural things who care about the

00:13:23.700 values that we care about but there are a lot of republicans who do not who don't really care about

00:13:30.200 conservative values and will not fight the culture war with the same ferocity the democrats do do you

00:13:36.680 think that's a fair assessment or do you think i'm being too cynical a little too cynical i think i

00:13:42.320 think that's been true for a while i think it's um changing quite a lot look i i know a lot of my

00:13:48.300 colleagues it's not that they don't want to a lot of times they just don't know how or they don't have

00:13:53.220 the platform um and they're not skilled at making these arguments it's very easy for a leftist to make

00:13:59.680 the moral arguments on blm right because racism like that's it that's their argument like like i said

00:14:04.500 before their arguments are about an inch deep okay it's a little bit harder for the conservative you

00:14:09.920 need where they need two seconds to make their argument we need about 25 okay and you've got to

00:14:15.160 do it and you've got to understand the the issue really well you've got to kind of test it against

00:14:20.920 your peers a little bit test it against moderates how does this is what i'm saying getting through

00:14:25.860 um because oftentimes if we do fight the battles it's usually our more you know the kind of members

00:14:32.720 that live in an r30 district and they just say stuff and it actually and it's not good stuff

00:14:38.620 and it usually puts us backwards instead of forward so there's there's there's delicate ways to make

00:14:43.520 these arguments that are that that that that indicate that you're both fighting but also that

00:14:47.360 you're winning you see i'm going to be saying this a lot lately um because i want to get the

00:14:53.180 conservative movement on this track of redefining what it means to fight fighting is not just yelling

00:14:59.040 back at them okay it's not just getting into our own rallies and our own safe spaces and just being

00:15:04.700 like oh yeah blm and democrats and like raising my all of raising my taxes all of everything they're

00:15:11.020 doing it's so bad everybody's like yes it's bad we're fighting it's like no you're not fighting

00:15:15.500 you're rallying like rallying is good um you do need to do that sometimes but fighting is a little bit

00:15:21.680 different in politics it's it's not what i did in the seal teams okay uh but there is but there is a

00:15:27.540 common thread which is winning so we we always go into a fight with the with the intention to win

00:15:33.300 and the only way to win in politics is to get more people on your side and the only way to get more

00:15:38.780 people on your side is to speak to those independent voters and those moderates who

00:15:42.640 i think instinctively agree with us on just about all policy issues um but don't want to hear the red

00:15:48.920 meat rhetoric so so that's why i kind of disagree i think too many republicans just throw out red meat

00:15:55.740 and they speak to only our base where you can actually tailor that message to to be more

00:16:01.620 applicable to a wider a wider audience that's fighting that's what it means to fight now that's

00:16:07.380 more difficult you got to go on the shows where that audience watches sometimes you got to go on

00:16:12.040 the view at msnbc and cnn you got to choose your battles carefully like like i do um you know you've got

00:16:18.880 to go to high school you've got to take those hard questions and and you've got to have a tone that

00:16:23.300 works with that high school student so that's fighting and that's what actually works i mean

00:16:28.380 and i think we did it in my district rather well i'm not going to pat myself on the back but

00:16:32.740 but i i guess i am um you know we won a purple district by 14 points donald trump won this district

00:16:39.420 by one point there's 40 000 votes that 40 000 vote difference so there's a way to success here like we

00:16:47.280 can do this we don't we don't have to believe that our election system is is we shouldn't trust it

00:16:52.080 anymore that there's no point in voting these are the wrong ideas that's kind of a take your ball and

00:16:56.900 go home quitter quitter attitude and um i don't think we're quitters i think we're freedom loving

00:17:01.960 red-blooded americans who love this country and we're going to keep fighting for it yeah i think

00:17:06.560 there's certainly a time for offense and and defense i mean obviously i think this goes to your

00:17:12.540 point is like the right doesn't have all of the mainstream megaphones that people on the left

00:17:18.120 have we don't have as much of the mainstream media on our side certainly big tech is not

00:17:22.100 necessarily on our side and so it does take a little bit more effort to get your message out

00:17:27.160 there and we shouldn't always be on the defense but i think there is a there is a place for defense

00:17:33.200 and i just wonder you know how many republicans are standing up and saying actually you know i mean

00:17:38.600 there are there are some republicans saying this but actually you know the 1619 project shouldn't be in

00:17:43.780 our curriculum and in this this charge of systemic racism let's look at the facts and see if this is

00:17:49.480 actually true black lives matter it it seeks to tear apart the nuclear family that's not actually 0.93

00:17:54.740 that's not actually good for society some of these cultural issues that a lot of people are thinking

00:17:59.560 about and want to say but they don't feel like they have any cover democrats liberals in the country

00:18:06.700 feel like they have cover because aoc is always going to say something more radical than they believe

00:18:11.060 or bernie sanders or elizabeth warren or all these people they're going to be fighting the culture

00:18:15.380 war they're on the front lines whereas i think conservatives feel like okay people like it's

00:18:20.520 not the republicans in washington that are at the front lines it's people like me it's random people

00:18:24.280 who have decided to start a podcast i think a lot of conservatives feel like they don't have any cover

00:18:28.700 on the conservative issues because you know mitch mcconnell and and other republicans probably aren't

00:18:35.160 going to be fighting the same battles that they feel like they're fighting so do you think there's any

00:18:39.620 credence to that yeah sure you know we don't just want to throw red meat out but the base 0.98

00:18:43.400 matters conservatives do matter we can't just always be appealing to the moderates right

00:18:48.220 yeah yeah i mean i guess i'll answer your question more directly i i mean i still kind of disagree but

00:18:54.160 just because i'm with these people all the time and they do talk about you and they and they they just

00:18:59.880 don't have a platform like what i because i i see this criticism a lot and i and the question i asked

00:19:05.040 back is well do you follow any of my colleagues on social media and everybody's like no i'm like

00:19:09.620 i think i do are you on the team well not all but but most you don't follow most of them you might

00:19:14.040 follow a couple yeah um and and so and then the other excuse that i'll give people is like okay like

00:19:20.260 mitch mcconnell like when did the 60 when does the 1619 project even come up in the senate you know

00:19:26.000 it doesn't come up in legislation so you know we ought we have different roles and i i appreciate that

00:19:32.760 a lot of the base does think it's up to the representatives to speak on every single topic

00:19:37.500 um but there's only so much time in the day this stuff is important it's it's why it's why i do it

00:19:43.340 and i and i do it pretty often but that took a lot of time to kind of to make myself not only a

00:19:50.640 legislative office but also a media office yeah like i we're we're not media offices and you know

00:19:56.780 and so so i asked for some grace for my colleagues who who got in who ran for office to cut you know

00:20:03.280 to work on tax reform and like that's okay yeah you know we we have we have culture warriors and we

00:20:09.840 have tax reform warriors and i you know and i'm not making excuses for people like you should be able

00:20:16.340 to do both to a certain extent but not everybody can so i mean i i guess it kind of sounds like i'm

00:20:21.820 making excuses um for a lot of my colleagues but i'm also just not going to do what i see some of my

00:20:26.380 newer colleagues doing and just and claim that they're the greatest messengers on earth and come

00:20:31.260 to and i know what you're talking about yeah yeah and they're like well i don't i'm not going to be

00:20:35.540 like those other loser republicans they never fight they never fight but like you know i agree

00:20:40.380 you know i agree with that that there is a difference between some of the conspiracy uh focused 0.95

00:20:47.620 people and people who i think that actually represent the cultural issue as well and there has to be

00:20:54.640 a difference between those two things um and i do think i mean there are republicans who do it well

00:21:00.540 like i wish there were more and maybe it is a lack of a platform thing i think sometimes you know we

00:21:07.200 just kind of give up we just kind of give up on the cultural and social issues because we figure it's

00:21:12.180 going to polarize people but the left never gives up on their cultural and social issues so we just give

00:21:17.400 a little bit of ground each time um i do want to talk to you about impeachment we talked about how

00:21:22.860 terrible january 6th was uh you decided though that you were not going to vote for impeachment can you

00:21:29.300 talk about your reasoning behind that and kind of explain to us what's going on with the impeachment

00:21:34.140 process now that president trump is no longer the president yeah well maybe i'll answer that second

00:21:41.700 question first because i just don't know the answer to that one so that was an easy answer i i don't know

00:21:46.780 what the senate's going to do there um it would be nice if they honestly just forgot about it i it's

00:21:52.320 it's so unnecessary at this point i i'm so sick of hearing the left claim that look guys this is time

00:21:58.400 to heal and the best way for us to heal is for all of you to agree with us that your that your current

00:22:03.960 leader of the party is just evil and should be impeached and then we can heal right and then you guys

00:22:08.420 can go on to maybe agreeing with more of our crazy policies that we love so much and that would be 0.94

00:22:12.280 more better for healing so that's that's their message and i say um screw it uh now okay but why

00:22:19.360 why not vote for an impeachment um because look a lot happened on january 6th and uh this was this was

00:22:27.040 you could find a way to i think lay some moral responsibility on the president's and many others

00:22:33.000 who i think hyped up that day poured gasoline all over the the house um and then and then told

00:22:38.320 everybody to trample around in it until there was a spark okay that's that's basically what happened

00:22:42.500 the question is is it really impeachable and and especially using the articles of impeachment that

00:22:47.900 the democrats did write out and i would say no absolutely not um for a few reasons one if you're

00:22:54.140 going to say that somebody incited uh the riots or incited the insurrection well i mean words matter

00:23:01.860 so incitement is a legal term and it's very specific you have to have intent behind it and you have to

00:23:07.760 have some kind of specificity behind it so he would have had to say no i really want you to break into

00:23:13.280 the capital and go storm it and maybe hunt down mike pence like that's so i'm telling you i want you to

00:23:18.560 do that so you'd have to be very specific and you'd have to intend for it to happen and none of none of

00:23:23.420 that is none of that did happen um the second part of it why i vote against it like there was a week

00:23:30.820 left there was a week left in his term this this feels this feels vindictive more so than than

00:23:36.740 even um punitive justice it just feels it felt felt vindictive um and third you know i was just

00:23:45.100 what i said was i just want to lower the temperature um the temperatures around the country is just too

00:23:50.940 high this is the wrong way to do it um i think i think the president got that message uh wow i guess

00:23:57.720 now former president trump got that message uh because i think his statements over the last week

00:24:02.260 have been exactly what we've been needing to hear from him for say the last six months i mean

00:24:07.220 yeah the message from him uh yesterday and today if that was just his demeanor and the way he was

00:24:13.860 addressing american people on a daily basis uh over the summer i mean i he would still be president

00:24:19.340 right now guaranteed yeah because i don't think people voted for joe biden's policies i think they

00:24:25.460 were just angry with trump uh just just as their leader and his daily tweets and but um but you and

00:24:31.960 you could i'm not just making this up i mean you could see this in the polling as well where as far

00:24:36.460 as as far as who you agree with on the issues trump would consistently win that um but as far as who

00:24:41.020 they prefer as a leader trump would consistently lose that so that's but we do have a recipe for uh

00:24:46.620 success in the future um if we uh if we learn these lessons yeah which is which is a real shame because

00:24:52.520 i think that the biden policies will do real damage especially with the democratic controlled

00:24:58.960 congress but i think trump you know he got in his own way and there are people listening to and

00:25:04.300 watching this who will not agree with me who think that you know the tweets actually helped him but

00:25:10.060 people were really seeking some kind of stability and so-called normalcy and even though i i disagree with

00:25:16.340 voting for joe biden you could kind of see on a superficial level how you would just look at the two

00:25:22.100 candidates and say okay that guy kind of throws me off or makes me feel like things aren't stable and

00:25:27.840 this honest old good old uncle joe seems like he's going to bring some level of stability unfortunately

00:25:33.380 i don't think that's going to be um what happens what about the people who say okay i hear you

00:25:40.580 congressman but we gotta hold we gotta hold donald trump accountable this is not about you know

00:25:46.920 vindictiveness this is about showing people that you can't incite violence or whatever it is

00:25:52.520 we just gotta hold him accountable do you buy that argument at all

00:25:56.720 well i think morally accountable is different from legally accountable or impeachment accountable

00:26:05.080 you know there's different levels of accountability and i don't mean to like be cute or like split hairs

00:26:09.560 but but that's the my job when i'm making such an important decision so um i i think the fact that

00:26:17.620 he wasn't re-elected is a pretty big form of accountability um and this is extremely damaging

00:26:23.540 to his legacy which which arguably is what most presidents care for um it's i think it's just a

00:26:30.740 fallacy to suggest that again this this form of accountability is somehow making our country safer or

00:26:38.300 better or more unified or preventing this from happening in the future that that's nonsense

00:26:44.040 anybody making that argument i think it knows it's it's not really true um and so yeah i just

00:26:51.080 stand by the explanations i had yeah yeah um you did talk about how trump isn't necessarily legally

00:27:00.000 culpable for what happened but he might hold some moral responsibility and you would say that's the same

00:27:05.400 argument that you would make for people who are kind of ratcheting up or raising the temperature

00:27:11.360 when it came to antifa and blm violence that they shouldn't be legally culpable for that but that they

00:27:18.040 do contribute to raising the temperature correct yeah exactly i mean look i'll never forget this i'm just

00:27:25.180 randomly watching some i don't even know what news channel because it wasn't a mainstream one

00:27:29.480 but i'll never forget and it wasn't the chicago city mayor it was some chicago city official

00:27:34.860 and she was speaking to the public right right after these uh massive riots had burned down multiple

00:27:41.960 businesses and she says to them i know that you're oppressed i know how much systemic oppression you face

00:27:48.740 but don't burn down your communities i was like how do you not see the contradiction there

00:27:53.800 if you if you're telling people to believe that there's no hope that they're systemically oppressed

00:27:58.880 then how can you not expect them to lash out in the way that they have okay because you're lying to them

00:28:05.780 and so i mean i i and i see a parallel to january 6th i mean i put out a whole long podcast on this on

00:28:11.840 my podcast um you know the truth about january 6th and i lay out an excruciating legal detail

00:28:17.680 and and and i reasoned through it for everybody on on why on why this hyping up of january 6th was

00:28:24.800 always just a lie fundamental lie not not not even i don't even touch the allegations about election

00:28:32.080 fraud or that trump actually won i didn't even touch that i'm just talking about the legal or what i

00:28:37.440 would call an illegal process taking place on january 6th and lying to people about about how this was

00:28:42.880 going to fix all of their problems and that otherwise if it didn't get fixed that there that there

00:28:47.460 would lose their country that they would be hopeless that they would just be that they would

00:28:51.820 they would never have any hope again i mean if you tell people that if you amp up the the rhetoric to

00:28:56.920 such a huge extent yeah i think i think that we can rightfully say there's some moral responsibility but

00:29:03.320 like you know moral responsibility does not mean legal responsibility it doesn't mean stepping down from

00:29:09.200 your office responsibility yeah it means that we we simply acknowledge it just just just to be truthful

00:29:15.900 and i think we do have to be careful too because i have seen this trend in particular on the left

00:29:30.060 with saying anything that they disagree with is inciting violence or anything even if they're just

00:29:36.880 talking about being morally culpable for violence i think that's also very dangerous that

00:29:41.040 we also have to be careful that not every bit of passionate speech not every discussion about

00:29:48.420 injustice or unfairness can immediately and automatically be tied to violence that ensues i

00:29:55.340 think sometimes it can be certainly when it's misinformation but we also have to be free and

00:30:00.840 gracious enough to say that okay we and people on the other side of the aisle that they can't always be

00:30:06.820 held morally liable just because they gave a passionate speech that some people took the

00:30:11.540 wrong way and took to violent extremes right like i get worried about holding people's speech to the

00:30:17.400 standard of oh if it's too passionate it might incite violence or if i disagree with it it might incite

00:30:22.680 violence i don't think that's a good place to be either no i think we accuse them of raising the

00:30:28.000 temperature too high and and that they they don't they don't get to act surprised when when people act out

00:30:32.960 i mean you know again there's there's i'm not calling for some action against somebody because

00:30:37.040 in the end this is protected political speech whether trump did it or whether a chicago city

00:30:41.300 official did it um but it doesn't mean that we can't again there's a difference between rhetorical

00:30:47.340 blame and and legal blame and taking action against people and we have to draw that line in the sand very

00:30:53.820 clearly so i mean i i think we're agreeing but look i i mean i i've seen too much from the left i mean i

00:31:00.540 there if it went for when cops are being assassinated and murdered because of blm rhetoric

00:31:06.760 like you you cannot tell me that there's no connection yeah okay and again it doesn't mean

00:31:14.000 that i'm searching for somebody to be to be legit you know you know in a co in a very concrete way

00:31:20.780 culpable yeah um but from a but there is let's call it rhetorical blame if you don't want to call it

00:31:27.120 moral blame but i you know yeah we might be splitting hairs there no i think that right

00:31:32.400 and i think that we have to acknowledge it yeah well we have to also be discerning enough which

00:31:36.660 discernment is not really characteristic of a lot of political dialogue right now we have to be

00:31:40.820 discerning enough to take it on a case-by-case basis the guy who shot up a baseball field and shot

00:31:46.520 republicans he said that he did it because bernie sanders said that you know republicans were kicking

00:31:51.500 people off their health care even if we disagree with bernie sanders like we're not going to lay 1.00

00:31:55.840 that blame on bernie sanders's feet someone i saw you know lila rose pro-life advocate said 1.00

00:32:01.260 something very obvious the other day abortion is violence while an abortionist came back at her 0.99

00:32:06.900 with a blue check mark saying this is domestic terrorism obviously that's stupid and so we also 0.98

00:32:13.340 have to take things by a case-by-case basis that okay sometimes yes this did intentionally raise the 0.98

00:32:18.140 temperature that may have led to that sometimes someone was just telling the truth or someone just said

00:32:23.240 something and someone took it the wrong way and took it too far we have to be discerning as well

00:32:28.980 when it comes to judging people's speech we do and the reason why the january 6 issue was a little bit

00:32:36.140 worse than usual was because yeah it was centered on taking taking action now he didn't nobody defined

00:32:42.700 what that action was except to say you got to go fight and you got to be strong and you got to make

00:32:47.380 those cowards in congress do what do what we want them to do referring to people like me who refuse 0.98

00:32:52.900 to object because it's a stupid illegal process okay so when you tell people to go somewhere at a very 1.00

00:32:59.080 specific time on a specific day and and yell at specific people uh that's you you're you're you're 0.98

00:33:06.280 getting pretty specific is my point yeah uh and so again doesn't reach the levels of incitement that

00:33:12.920 would be necessary to to call for some kind of legal action still doesn't 0.55

00:33:17.380 but um let's at least acknowledge that that's a really stupid thing to do and i think that's all

00:33:23.040 we're asking for yeah okay last thing i want to quickly talk to you about you talk a lot about

00:33:28.220 uh immigration immigration legislation this has been a big priority of joe biden going into his

00:33:34.180 presidency saying that he is going to um i think ensure citizenship for 11 million uh for 11 million

00:33:42.340 illegal immigrants he's going to stop funding for the border wall there's also apparently a

00:33:47.320 migrant caravan in honduras uh on the move towards the united states um what can we anticipate what

00:33:54.320 should we be concerned about when it comes to immigration policy in a democratic white house

00:33:59.260 and a democratic congress they've radicalized their immigration policy it is it is not even

00:34:07.400 close to what it was under obama um you know i remember the left being mad at obama for they called

00:34:12.720 the the the deporter in chief because he deported so many people um but they didn't take uh they

00:34:19.600 didn't take border security all that seriously and some things happened in the courts with the

00:34:24.740 flores settlement that actually perpetuated the the massive influx the illegal immigrants under obama it

00:34:30.820 wasn't necessarily obama policy um it was just it was more like their lack of action like they just

00:34:36.360 they just didn't really care to fix some of the things that happened under their watch

00:34:40.280 um but now we have an administration that actually wants to take actual action to make it easier for

00:34:46.180 people to cross the border um and and then reward them for doing so i mean this is what's so infuriating

00:34:53.800 um people feel like there's a there's a there's a real sense of injustice here especially if you're a

00:34:59.820 legal immigrant yeah i think all of us i mean i have family who is legal immigrant my stepmother is a

00:35:05.320 legal immigrant um which means i have a lot of family that are legal immigrants um we i think we

00:35:11.260 all know somebody who's a legal immigrant and has gone through that process and thinks it's really

00:35:15.960 cool and i think it's really they're really proud to have gone through that process and become an

00:35:20.840 american citizen and this is such a slap in the face to them because this then this really angers them

00:35:26.360 i mean go talk to some legal immigrants and this is such they get really mad about this because they 1.00

00:35:31.380 work so hard and they did it the right way and there's a sense of pride with that and so now

00:35:35.500 you're telling them that well these people did the wrong way they get to cut in line and just have

00:35:38.840 their citizenship because you know because we just feel like it but mostly because let's be honest

00:35:42.780 democrats want their votes um because and don't go talk to those illegal immigrants they don't 0.99

00:35:48.620 care about becoming citizens they want to work okay so they want work visas they're already here 0.99

00:35:54.760 most of them have not committed any other crime except being here illegally they just want to work or 1.00

00:35:59.180 there's an interesting conversation to be had about that but there is no conversation to be had

00:36:03.620 about about a path to citizenship for for people who cut the line that that is off the table um i would

00:36:09.620 say the good news is the if you want to get specifics and you know maybe talk political strategy here

00:36:14.920 you know you're going to start out with um with uh work visas basically permanent residency and i think in

00:36:22.900 like many many years from now it would be eligible for a path to citizenship well many years from now

00:36:29.160 hopefully we take back uh congress and the presidency and we can reverse those laws and you know we

00:36:34.940 won't have any issues here with with what i'm talking about um but the other thing i'm really worried

00:36:40.420 about biden doing it's actually not so much defunding the wall that's a more symbolic than it is

00:36:45.360 substantive the real issue i'll have with the biden administration is if they stop the remain in

00:36:50.720 mexico policy program otherwise called the migrant protection protocols to put simply this means

00:36:56.680 when when illegal immigrants are just turning themselves into border patrol across the border

00:37:01.840 in the past one of the reasons we had such a problem was because we didn't know what to do

00:37:05.580 with them and we just kind of let them go right and hope that they show up for a court date well

00:37:09.240 that's a pretty big incentive to just come across and just turn yourself in you don't even need you

00:37:13.060 don't even need to escape border patrol just turn yourself in they're just going to let you go

00:37:16.080 um well the trump administration did a pretty good job reversing that um process but also

00:37:21.940 working with mexico to put at least a portion of the daily uh crossers back to mexico city and so 1.00

00:37:29.100 now you have a huge disincentive because if you're if you're illegally crossing you're like ah well

00:37:33.260 there's a chance i might actually just be put right back in mexico city and that would kind of suck

00:37:37.760 so i'm just not going to try um that's what happened then it had huge effects uh biden reverses that

00:37:45.380 and reverses some of the protocols that we've worked so hard to put in place to stop the catch and

00:37:49.420 release program that is what's attracting this honduran caravan because they're like hey doors 1.00

00:37:55.220 are open and free health care what a what a deal yeah ultimately i mean you know this but i think

00:38:00.760 some people who feel caught in the middle of this because what they hear is republicans you know kids

00:38:06.460 in cages splitting families apart inhumane treatment of illegal immigrants at the border or democrats and

00:38:13.340 compassion and love and acceptance and things like that ultimately a country has to have a border in

00:38:20.280 order to retain its sovereignty and therefore in order to execute its laws to execute justice and

00:38:25.940 protect its citizens that's why it is compassionate to compassionately but strongly enforce your borders

00:38:32.080 and that doesn't mean should not mean inhumane treatment of people who are trying to cross people

00:38:36.920 who are filing for asylum and so there needs to be some understanding there that yes we have to

00:38:44.060 enforce our borders we have to and we have citizenship has to mean something in order for a country and its

00:38:50.060 laws to actually mean something and it's for the protection of both uh people who were born here and

00:38:56.640 people who were not born here who are now citizens it is the compassionate thing to do while also

00:39:01.540 treating the people who are trying to get here as humanely as possible do you think that balance is

00:39:07.040 possible is that argument effective at all i do think that argument's effective and kind of going back to

00:39:13.780 what we were talking about um you know semi-arguing over whether republicans even try to make these

00:39:20.540 arguments on the on the same grounds that democrats do mainly the moral grounds the compassionate

00:39:25.600 argument and you're absolutely right you need to you need to you need to directly confront

00:39:30.680 confront their accusations right and their accusation in this case being that you're you're not compassionate

00:39:36.120 because you don't want to just give stuff to people who want it and i think frankly just reframing

00:39:42.640 what they just said is is the best way to debate them and it kind of like what kind of like i just said it

00:39:47.560 let me get this straight i'm not compassionate because when somebody like comes across illegally into my 1.00

00:39:53.080 country i don't want them to just just get stuff from my taxpayer dollars that's why i'm not

00:39:59.440 compassionate well if you're so compassionate then okay are you paying for their hotel room

00:40:03.200 while they wait their asylum you know what the weather asylum process i mean do you i mean what's

00:40:08.580 your limiting principle do you want to just allow because because is a hundred thousand a month okay

00:40:13.660 well why not five hundred thousand i mean arguably there's millions of them who who have a worse

00:40:19.200 life than here so do we just let them cross illegally or i guess let them cross indefinitely 0.96

00:40:25.400 until there's a there's a there's a complete balancing of everybody like is that the goal

00:40:30.300 and again where's the limiting principle how is this sustainable you know the best way to debate

00:40:34.600 this stuff is is to really just go through it from a very logical perspective and address this idea

00:40:39.660 of compassion directly and debunk it it's really not that hard to debunk and um and as you put it we

00:40:47.100 can win this argument by simply saying look we have a sovereign right as a country to control our borders

00:40:52.400 the vast majority of americans fundamentally agree with this okay so we don't have to actually make

00:40:57.400 the argument much further than that um but we have to stop using silly arguments if we're going to go

00:41:03.500 back to the border crisis and wow it's like it's like like two years ago all over again then you know

00:41:09.160 we what we what was the wrong way to make the argument was was demonizing those immigrants coming

00:41:14.580 across because because that's where we actually lose people um and that did happen too often in right-wing

00:41:20.440 rhetoric you've got to use the arguments that we just laid out and the family and the family

00:41:24.400 separation thing which i always disagreed with you know under jeff sessions i think really hurt as well

00:41:31.640 because like you said um what people saw is just inhumane treatment whether or not you believe people

00:41:37.660 should be flooding the border illegally which i obviously don't believe that um i mean that's that's

00:41:43.600 a problem so that when the waters get muddy it's hard for people i think to think clearly about okay

00:41:48.820 what's the importance of borders and i think what you said about a limiting principle is really effective

00:41:53.740 asking people before you even start engaging in the argument well do you think that we have any right

00:41:59.620 to stop anyone from coming in the country or does everyone get to come in like you said is there a

00:42:05.420 number limit is there a past crime committed that we should look at is there ever a reason why we

00:42:10.340 shouldn't let someone in the country and most people don't think that we should let every single 1.00

00:42:14.820 person who wants to come in the country come in they actually do believe in a limiting principle 0.99

00:42:19.060 maybe they just haven't thought about what that is so that gives us a lot of food for thought and i

00:42:23.840 appreciate that okay can you give us any optimism and hope there's a lot of scared people there's a lot

00:42:29.420 of worried people about a democratic controlled congress democrat in the white house who just feel

00:42:35.000 this wave of hostility coming towards conservatives conservative christians they're scared of the

00:42:39.740 legislation they're scared for their protection of their first and second amendment rights um i don't

00:42:45.260 know if you have any optimism but can you can you give us some a little bit of hope

00:42:50.220 it's gonna be hard um but look these the majorities they have are razor thin um you know the senate's

00:42:59.480 50 50 it's just that kamal is the tiebreaker it's a razor thin majority that there's there's there are 1.00

00:43:04.840 still some moderate democrats that are pretty nervous about about voting for some of these

00:43:09.440 really radical policies uh so maybe that's a bulwark against some of their more radical intentions

00:43:16.220 um uh more optimism than that let me just repeat what i said before um you know the we we're not losing

00:43:28.300 as bad in many ways as many people think we are again compare this to like when obama took over in

00:43:35.940 2008 where first of all they had much larger majorities okay they could really do whatever

00:43:41.040 they wanted um i don't remember ali stuckey's podcast back in 2008 i don't remember ben shapiro's

00:43:49.660 podcast back in 2008 i don't remember dennis prager i'm sure i mean obviously he was around but like

00:43:54.460 it was not they were not big influencers that are really making an impact and really persuading

00:44:00.340 people back then um we we truly were lost and we were just getting angrier and angrier and um we

00:44:09.040 that can be effective maybe um like i'm not because it gets people involved but again fighting needs to

00:44:17.120 means needs to mean persuading people and we've got a lot more interesting people smart people persuading

00:44:24.020 new voters every single day than we ever used to yeah uh we can win if we if we learn the right

00:44:31.160 lessons from the last four years we can easily win back the house in two years maybe even the the senate

00:44:36.360 um i'd have to analyze the the politics of that but i think we can definitely win back the house

00:44:41.580 and then boom we've got a pretty serious bulwark against the biden presidency and i i still think we

00:44:47.500 could probably win in four years too because they're they're already proving that they want to really

00:44:51.840 overstep the will of the american people they really want to trample all over it biden doesn't

00:44:56.520 understand why he was elected he was elected because people didn't like the president's tweets

00:45:00.320 and comments and general demeanor not because they didn't like the president's uh policy platform

00:45:05.260 okay and um now we're gonna and i told i told voters over and over again you've got to vote for

00:45:10.960 donald trump because trust me the democrats mean what they say and i encourage you to listen to

00:45:15.380 everything the democrats are saying um and i don't think enough people believe me or my message

00:45:19.900 didn't get to enough people because they still voted the way they voted yeah um well in texas

00:45:24.860 trump did win so maybe i did my part here in texas but yeah the uh um but you know i i think now people

00:45:32.740 are going to see that policy agenda right in front of their face um and uh they're going to realize that

00:45:38.240 uh you know democrats mean what they say and i think we can win again yeah and um i hope that's

00:45:44.680 enough optimism i mean i could try harder if you want no i i encourage people to based on what you

00:45:52.060 said to continue to pay attention because i think even people who voted for trump are like the media

00:45:58.340 i don't know if it was intentional or not but wore us out with trump drama and political drama most of us

00:46:04.860 most people didn't pay nearly as much attention to the news and to politics as they have for the past

00:46:10.460 four years and a lot of people are just tired of it i think that's one reason why biden won

00:46:14.620 is because people are tired of paying attention and they feel like if biden's in the office this

00:46:19.180 great moderate which we know that policy-wise he's not then they don't have to pay attention anymore

00:46:23.660 and that's what they're betting on that's what they're betting on apathy and ignorance by people

00:46:28.680 who they know disagree with these policies and so my encouragement to people is don't be you don't

00:46:33.800 have to be obsessed with politics you don't have to spend all day on twitter i certainly don't

00:46:37.680 um you don't have to be constantly inundated with this stuff but pay attention pay attention to the

00:46:42.620 executive orders pay attention to the bills that are getting passed pay attention to the court cases

00:46:47.560 this is not the time for conservatives to look away make sure you understand what's going on not

00:46:52.460 just in your country but also in your state and in your area um because if we don't pay attention then

00:46:58.980 um it's very easy to believe their rhetoric just like obama did that everything is going great even

00:47:04.880 when it wasn't do you agree yeah yeah absolutely you know pay attention and and um and and let's

00:47:14.780 absorb the right information you know and and take take these arguments that you know i i try to always

00:47:21.820 present people with the facts and the arguments so they can use those arguments to uh to win over

00:47:27.360 their peers you know that that's that's my goal um and i think if uh the more we see it that way that

00:47:34.160 the better off we'll be in a couple years but uh not not all is lost like america will survive it's it's

00:47:40.220 very hard luckily because of our constitution and because the nature of our checks and balances in our

00:47:45.060 republic uh it's it's it is hard to seriously infringe on the rights of americans um and uh that should

00:47:54.360 give us some i think comfort some some comfort but not enough comfort to get too comfortable

00:48:00.480 and to be complacent and stop paying attention uh thank you so much you told me to be optimistic

00:48:05.120 yeah you did you did okay i'll give you i'll give you a b on optimism but thank you thank you so much

00:48:12.680 for taking the time to talk to me i know a lot of people will appreciate your insight uh thanks for what

00:48:18.280 you do okay guys just a quick outro after that conversation i always want to leave you with a

00:48:34.520 reminder especially at the end of the week that the reason that we have hope is because jesus is king

00:48:40.260 no matter who is in the white house no matter who is in congress yes these things matter but

00:48:45.780 ultimately the government is on jesus's shoulders and he is the one who is in charge he is sovereign

00:48:51.700 over all the bible says that he changes times and seasons daniel 2 says and he raises up kings and he

00:48:58.780 brings them down so he's in charge of all of it he's not surprised he's not thrown back he know he knows

00:49:04.480 what every single day of our life holds he knows what this next year holds and he's got us like he's got

00:49:10.160 his people he's got his flock he's got his church and our responsibility is to make the best

00:49:15.520 use of our time as the bible also said because uh says because the days are evil the days are

00:49:21.420 always evil in comparison to the future glory that we are going towards and so uh focus on the

00:49:27.420 obedience that's right in front of you god might call you to bigger spheres of influence as we talked

00:49:31.880 about yesterday we went through five very practical tips of what we can do when you're facing any kind of

00:49:38.940 spiritual or political opposition uh the the tangible steps that we can take and the words that

00:49:44.900 we can speak in the midst of that and the peace that we can have in the midst of that but always

00:49:49.840 without a doubt he's calling us to immediate obedience and the things that we think and the

00:49:54.780 things that we say and in the things that we do and one thing we always know that we can do is we

00:50:00.260 can love god with all of our hearts mind souls and strength and love our neighbor as ourselves and

00:50:05.080 remember this is something i have to remember which is really hard for me is that we are called time

00:50:09.700 and again in the bible not to worry and not to be anxious do not fear but instead to be courageous

00:50:14.880 knowing that it is the god of the universe fighting our battles for us um and i'm not talking about just

00:50:21.560 the you know i'm not talking about the united states i'm talking about the people of god i'm talking

00:50:25.940 about the universal church um that we can rest assured that he's got us that he's going to keep us

00:50:32.340 that his gospel is going to be advanced and his will is going to be done job 42 says that his will

00:50:38.700 cannot be thwarted so we can trust in that we can rejoice in that christians have gone through a lot

00:50:44.820 of hard things throughout church history and yet the bible tells us time and again rejoice in the lord

00:50:49.500 again i will say rejoice let your reasonableness be made known to everyone as philippians 4 says so let us

00:50:58.120 rejoice let us be glad let us be hopeful let us look toward heaven let us stir one another up toward

00:51:03.980 love and good works as hebrews 10 says uh let us hold fast to truth and let us encourage one another

00:51:11.580 um and let us be joyful we have every reason to be glad because we've got the gospel and we've got

00:51:17.680 the lord of the universe who promises to care for us and promises to claim victory over all darkness

00:51:24.800 one day and we look forward to that day just as much as we ever do so i want to end with that we

00:51:30.240 will be back here on monday have a great weekend spend time with your family go to church if you can

00:51:35.680 go to church uh love the lord love your neighbor and uh be glad this is our father's world and uh there

00:51:44.160 is always reason for us to be happy and rejoice over that all right see you guys on monday

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - January 21, 2021

Ep 356 ｜ Biden's Call for 'Unity' & the Future of the GOP ｜ Guest： Rep. Dan Crenshaw

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