Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 358 ｜ Biden Erases Women & Jobs with Executive Orders

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so

00:00:15.420 far. Thanks for all of the positive feedback. On yesterday's episode, we talked about taking

00:00:20.980 care of babies and cancel culture, what it is, what it isn't, why real cancel culture

00:00:27.120 is completely unsustainable, why it's not just holding someone accountable, but it truly is

00:00:34.340 this kind of totalitarian tyranny and bullying that we should want no part in and we should be

00:00:41.720 pushing back against. We also talked about Christian nationalism. I was a little bit

00:00:46.880 rushed in the last half of yesterday's episode, and I didn't get to talk about everything that

00:00:51.840 I wanted to in regards to Christian nationalism and distinguishing between some of the dangerous

00:00:59.060 aspects of nationalism and real good patriotism. That's also a fear that I have, that people will

00:01:06.180 be kind of slinging these vague terms and vague accusations like Christian nationalism to make

00:01:12.740 people think that they shouldn't be thankful for their country or they shouldn't be proud of their

00:01:16.620 country and to accuse people of idolatry who love their country. That's also a dangerous precedent to

00:01:24.300 set. And so I will talk more about that. I'm also going to bring on a guest who has a very different

00:01:29.400 perspective on Christian nationalism than most people do. But if you're interested in that, go listen to

00:01:35.240 yesterday's episode. Today, we are going to answer some questions that you guys have had in regards to

00:01:41.420 the executive orders that the Biden administration has signed in the last few days, in the first few

00:01:47.260 days of his presidency. And then I have a guest on who describes herself as a feminist and an advocate

00:01:56.340 for women's rights, who is very concerned about this executive order that Joe Biden signed that has to do

00:02:04.320 with so-called gender equality and gender identity, what it means for women's sports, what it means for

00:02:11.160 women's privacy and protection in what is supposed to be exclusively female spaces. And we're going to

00:02:18.680 talk about, in general, this transgender movement, transgender activism, and why from a feminist

00:02:25.780 perspective she believes this is so damaging. Obviously, we disagree on aspects of feminism, and we talk

00:02:32.300 about that just a little bit. But I think it's really important to get a different perspective on it.

00:02:37.580 And I did an episode called The Biblical Telos of Gender, talking about the biblical perspective on

00:02:42.880 gender and so-called gender identity and what sex looks like, how Genesis 1, the first chapter of

00:02:48.640 the Bible, is so clarifying and is such a good foundation for all of us about that. And so I'll link to that

00:02:54.420 episode as well in this description. But today, I wanted to get a different perspective from a feminist on

00:03:00.480 all of this. So definitely, definitely excited to let you guys hear that conversation. But first,

00:03:07.760 let us go through some of these executive orders. They were, I think, at this point, as I'm recording

00:03:12.460 this, 34 or 35 executive orders that Joe Biden has signed in just the first few days of his presidency.

00:03:19.480 And most of these executive orders indicate what a lot of us knew, what a lot of conservatives

00:03:25.340 knew about him going into the election was that he's not a moderate. He's not a middle of the road

00:03:31.160 guy. He is just as progressive, I would say, as Bernie Sanders would be at this point. Now,

00:03:38.940 personally, that's probably not true. He probably does not identify as a democratic socialist. I think

00:03:44.540 he's a capitalist, at least personally. He probably is a moderate personally in a lot of ways. But we told

00:03:51.780 you guys that him choosing Kamala Harris as his vice president signaled who he was trying to reach and

00:04:03.320 signaled what kind of presidency this would be. Kamala Harris was the most liberal senator based on her

00:04:11.580 votes when she was in the Senate. We knew that he was going to be a far left progressive, at least in

00:04:18.420 how he leads to the country. And we have seen through his many executive orders over the past

00:04:26.180 few days that that is already shaping up to be true. We're not going to go through all 34 of them,

00:04:32.560 but I want to go through four or five of what I think are some of the most controversial. I'll also

00:04:38.060 talk about one, at least briefly, that I'm encouraged by, that I actually think, at least on the surface,

00:04:43.960 is a very good thing. And I'm also going to talk about how last week he stated very proudly and

00:04:51.740 publicly that he wants to codify, codify Roe v. Wade and what that actually means. But first,

00:04:58.380 let's go through some of these executive orders. And so I want to talk about the Keystone Pipeline

00:05:05.740 because a lot of you guys have asked me about that. He stopped construction of the Keystone Pipeline.

00:05:11.220 It's a 1,200-mile structure carrying oil from Canada to the U.S. Now, Canada, being the leftist

00:05:19.140 socialist place that it is, you would think would be in line with anything that Democrat President

00:05:23.780 Joe Biden would do. But they're actually very upset about this. There was a representative

00:05:27.800 from Canada who was on Fox News the other day saying, this is a terrible decision. Like,

00:05:34.080 this is not good for Canada. This is not good for jobs. It's not good for the economy. It's not even

00:05:39.340 good for the environment, a lot of people are saying. So Canada is also not happy about this

00:05:45.260 decision, especially that the United States did not consult Canada before making this decision.

00:05:50.180 Now, if President Trump had done something like this, there would be chyrons and headlines

00:05:54.260 everywhere about how he has already rocked democratic norms and he has already torn apart

00:06:04.180 our alliance with one of our strongest and geographically closest allies, Canada, by making

00:06:12.100 a decision without any regard to the Canadian people. This just shows his bigotry, the bigotry

00:06:17.260 of America first. That's what we would be hearing about if he had made a decision without consulting

00:06:23.740 Canada that Canada is saying hurts them. But of course, we're not going to hear that about

00:06:29.260 the Biden administration because the media, as we have seen over the past few days, is

00:06:34.700 just so excited to have an ally again in the White House. And so climate activists and therefore

00:06:42.560 a lot of leftists are excited about this. They have been trying to stop the construction of the

00:06:47.200 Keystone pipeline. They say that, you know, you're carrying this over indigenous lands. That's

00:06:54.240 that's not fair. That we are endangering animals and birds. This is all arguable, by the way. And if

00:07:02.980 you'll remember, a couple years ago, there were protests, I think mostly held by environmental

00:07:08.800 activists and some indigenous people, protests against the construction of the pipeline. And the

00:07:15.620 pictures that we saw after these people camped out in protest of the construction was just trash

00:07:23.140 everywhere. There was trash everywhere. I mean, it was rancid. It was terrible. And so these people

00:07:27.500 who claim to care about the environment, some of them are protesting and actually are polluting

00:07:32.480 the land through their protests. And so there's just a little bit of irony there. So obviously,

00:07:38.240 the the ending of the construction of this pipeline, one of the immediate consequences

00:07:43.020 is job layoffs in a time where our economy is really struggling, where people need jobs

00:07:48.280 more than ever. This is from MSN.com. A general manager working on the Keystone XL pipeline said

00:07:55.800 that hundreds of guys employed to build the controversial pipeline have already been laid

00:08:00.160 off from their jobs after President Biden signed an executive order to halt construction. Senator Ted

00:08:04.900 Cruz has already spoken out about it, saying during Pete Buttigieg's confirmation, quote, and with the

00:08:11.880 stroke of a pen, President Biden has told those 11,000 workers, these union workers, which the unions

00:08:18.020 were very pro Biden for the most part, has told these union workers, your jobs are gone. Canadian

00:08:25.400 prime minister, like we alluded to just a few minutes ago, Justin Trudeau has also stated he is

00:08:30.140 disappointed in this in this decision. So the U.S. won't use Alberta oil from tar sands. That just

00:08:39.260 reinforces America's dependence on Middle East oil producers. And so that's why people say this doesn't

00:08:45.280 actually help the environment. Like we're still going to be getting oil. We're still going to

00:08:49.420 be spending money on oil production. But now rather than bolstering our own economy and the economy of

00:08:57.160 Canada to produce and to transfer our oil, we're just going to be relying on the Middle East. We're

00:09:03.400 going to be relying on these anti-humanitarian regimes like Saudi Arabia for oil. We're just going

00:09:09.860 to be getting more oil from them. So if we're actually worried about the environment and if

00:09:15.900 we're worried about the humanitarian costs to building this pipeline on what they're calling

00:09:22.200 indigenous lands, then shouldn't we also care about being overly or even more dependent on the

00:09:28.620 Middle East for our oil production? So that is that's one of the executive orders that people are

00:09:35.220 having a very hard time with right now, not just because it lessens our own dependence,

00:09:40.140 our own independence and dependence on one of our allies for oil, but also because of the loss of

00:09:45.240 jobs. A lot of these people are working class people who may have voted for Joe Biden because their

00:09:51.000 union told them to vote for Joe Biden because Joe Biden said that he was pro-union. Joe Biden also put

00:09:57.220 a moratorium on fracking. We're talking about the loss of even more jobs. He said in a debate,

00:10:02.860 Kamala Harris said that he was not going to ban fracking. Well, that's pretty much what he's

00:10:07.460 already done. We told you guys he's a radical. I mean, he is going to pander to the far left.

00:10:12.500 You thought Obama was liberal. This is going to be a more liberal presidency. He also issued an

00:10:18.900 executive order reversing Trump's ban on transgender people serving in the U.S. military. Now, this might

00:10:24.500 sound good, but there needs to be some clarification. Now, here's what Fox 13 Memphis says in reporting

00:10:31.560 this. The order will apply to more than 15,000 transgender people currently estimated to be

00:10:36.940 serving in the military. According to numbers from the National Center for Transgender Equality,

00:10:41.380 the order immediately bars people from being discharged or denied re-enlistment based on

00:10:45.500 their gender identities and orders the correction of previously affected military records. So,

00:10:51.280 really, the reason for the ban was not just people who have a different gender identity,

00:10:57.220 um, but one of the problems was is that people were, uh, these people were transitioning while

00:11:04.240 they were serving in the military and they were being discharged because of that, um, under Trump's

00:11:10.160 so-called ban and activists are saying, well, that's not fair. Their transition should not only be paid

00:11:16.360 for, but it shouldn't have anything to do with whether or not they're able to serve in the military.

00:11:21.540 LifeSite News, um, it talks about, uh, talks about the problems with Joe Biden's decision to

00:11:28.080 reverse this. The order calls for establishing a process by which transgender service members

00:11:33.480 may transition gender while serving and immediately prohibits involuntary separations,

00:11:39.600 discharges, and denials of re-enlistment or continuation of service on the basis of gender

00:11:44.060 identity or under circumstances relating to gender identity. Um, it does not specifically address

00:11:50.220 whether reassignment surgeries, uh, will once more be offered to gender confused soldiers at

00:11:56.580 taxpayer expense, but, uh, conservative critics expect that announcement to soon follow in light

00:12:02.700 of the Biden administration's overall support for the transgender lobby from preferred pronouns to

00:12:07.700 forcing biological males into girls sports. And so the problem with this is that the military

00:12:15.260 is not supposed to be a social experiment. The military is supposed to be about effectiveness.

00:12:21.860 It's supposed to be about lethality. I mean, there's, that's why a lot of people are against

00:12:26.460 women on the front lines and women in combat. That's why they're against, uh, for example,

00:12:31.600 I don't even, I don't even know the proper terminology, but, um, in certain combat situations,

00:12:37.680 I'm mixing men and women because men and women are fundamentally different. Women just can't do the

00:12:42.820 same things men can. And the surgeries and the cross sex hormones that are often used in surgery

00:12:48.580 can hinder someone's ability to be as lethal as possible to be able to carry out their duty. So

00:12:53.600 anything, whether it is, um, whether it's, um, a surgery or transition or any other kind of physical

00:13:02.320 hindrance that could possibly cause someone from being less lethal or to, to be less lethal in combat

00:13:09.660 should absolutely be looked at. I mean, we're not, we shouldn't be talking about, uh, creating some

00:13:15.360 kind of social experiment within the military. The most important thing for the military to be is

00:13:21.080 lethal, to be effective. So anything that could possibly potentially negative effect someone's

00:13:27.660 lethality, someone's effectiveness, whether that is, uh, distracting the men in the military with

00:13:34.300 having, uh, with, uh, with being intermixed with females, which we've actually seen studies of that,

00:13:41.320 how that can hinder lethality and hinder effectiveness, not just because they're distracted

00:13:46.260 by each other, but women in general, aren't able to fulfill the same physical duties that men are.

00:13:51.440 That's just the biological reality. Um, or whether it's something like this, someone's, uh, transition

00:13:58.700 hindering their ability to be able to do their job effectively in the military. We have to be able to

00:14:03.420 think logically about this. Like we have to be able to think scientifically about this. This again,

00:14:08.340 is not just about a social issue. It's about the protection of our country and physically what

00:14:13.700 someone is actually capable to, uh, capable of doing, but the Biden administration is always going

00:14:19.020 to prioritize leftist activism over what actually biologically scientifically makes sense. Um, he also

00:14:26.200 issued an executive order reversing the Mexico city policy, uh, the Mexico city policy. This has been

00:14:32.340 gone back and forth between democratic and Republican presidents for as long as it has existed.

00:14:37.580 The Mexico city policy, uh, prevents us aid money from funding groups that perform or promote

00:14:43.200 abortion around the globe. National review notes that this particular executive order does seem to be

00:14:49.340 out of step with most Democrats. Uh, 70% of Democrats said in 2017 that they oppose taxpayer funded

00:14:55.080 abortion around the globe. Now Biden has also said, uh, that he is going to work to

00:15:02.240 reverse the Hyde amendment. The Hyde amendment, um, was instated in the 1970s and it protects our

00:15:09.740 taxpayer dollars, our federal tax dollars from directly funding most abortions. Well, uh, the

00:15:17.540 abortion lobby has said this discriminates against poor women who want abortions. They should be able

00:15:22.240 to get abortions for free. The taxpayer, you know, like you and me should be forced to pay for

00:15:28.440 people's abortions, um, with unrestricted access. And so Joe Biden has also said that he supports that.

00:15:35.720 Like I said, he also believes in codifying Roe v. Wade, uh, the codification of, uh, Roe v. Wade

00:15:42.580 would basically make it very difficult for States to put restrictions on abortion. It would enshrine and,

00:15:51.080 um, make official the rights to have an abortion pretty much at any time in the pregnancy for,

00:15:58.440 any reason. And with the reversal of the Hyde amendment would also mean that you and I are

00:16:02.940 paying for it. So again, like I'm not trying to be rude or anything, or I'm not trying to be prideful

00:16:11.740 in saying this, but when I look at some of these things, um, I just wonder what the evangelical

00:16:18.060 pro-life people for Biden who described themselves as evangelical pro-lifers when they said they were

00:16:24.960 voting for Biden, like what, what, what, what, like, what were you voting for? Were you voting for

00:16:32.440 this kind of superficial promise of, of normalcy and decency? Like, what were you voting for? I

00:16:39.260 understand why you didn't vote for Donald Trump. That's totally fine. But like, we told you guys,

00:16:44.320 this was coming down the pipeline. Like we told you guys, this is what was coming. We told you guys

00:16:48.780 there was going to be a subversion, an official legal subversion of, of gender and what that

00:16:54.660 actually looks like. Like we told you guys that this was going to happen. We told you guys that he

00:16:58.840 was going to be the most pro-abortion president. And this was going to be the most pro-abortion

00:17:03.460 administration that we've seen. We told you guys that like every purported value that evangelicals,

00:17:09.400 that Christians have, I mean, his executive orders over the past few days have already bucked

00:17:14.980 up against. And we told you guys this was going to happen. This is not a surprise. And so now I

00:17:19.540 think we're going to see a lot of evangelicals possibly either you're just not, they're not

00:17:24.100 going to care or they're going to say, wow, I'm, you know, I'm really worried about the equality

00:17:28.120 actor. I'm really worried about this executive order on gender identity, or I'm really worried

00:17:32.900 about this reversal of the Mexico city policy or the codification of Roe v. Wade. I'm really

00:17:39.120 worried about this when you've spent the past four years directing all of your ire at Donald

00:17:44.820 Trump and telling people that they're not good Christians if they do vote for Donald

00:17:48.460 Trump. And even implicitly or explicitly saying that Joe Biden is the adult in the room and

00:17:55.320 he is the candidate of decency. And it would be better to vote for a Democrat who is rabidly

00:18:00.240 pro-abortion and who denies biological reality that God created than it would be to vote for

00:18:06.860 a Twitter bully. I mean, and I'm just, it's going to be very hard for me to watch. That's

00:18:12.260 what I'll say. There was another executive order to pause construction of the border wall.

00:18:19.660 There are various executive orders as well that have to do with immigration. He has signaled

00:18:25.200 that he does not believe in strong borders and he does not believe that we need greater

00:18:32.140 or more effective border security. And that the pathway to getting citizenship as an illegal

00:18:39.360 immigrant really should just be as easy as possible. And citizenship basically becomes

00:18:45.600 this arbitrary thing. So all of you legal immigrants who you came here legally and you worked very

00:18:52.060 hard and you went through the very, very long process of becoming a legal citizen. It really

00:18:58.000 doesn't matter. You know, you didn't have to do that. You could have just come here illegally

00:19:01.520 and you could have broken the law and you could have had the same end result probably a lot more

00:19:05.940 quickly. But because you decided to go through the process with integrity and through hard work

00:19:14.000 and with honesty, you had to wait a very long time and possibly pay a lot of money. You could have

00:19:21.040 just broken laws and done it without integrity and gotten it all for free. That is the message that

00:19:25.580 Biden is going to send on immigration. All right. Now I want to talk about, well, I want to talk about

00:19:34.040 the executive order on gender and in particular what this means to women's sports. And that's what

00:19:40.460 we're going to talk about in the upcoming conversation. But I also do want to say that

00:19:44.460 there is one executive order that I actually appreciated. So there's an executive order aimed

00:19:54.960 at boosting Biden's buy American efforts. It increases how much of a product must be made in the U.S.

00:20:01.500 for it to qualify is made in America. It will also create a website for Americans to see what

00:20:06.640 contracts are being awarded to foreign vendors in a position with the Office of Management and Budget

00:20:11.980 to implement federal procurement efforts. And so I don't know necessarily what this is going to

00:20:19.520 accomplish, but anything that promotes or encourages buying American products, I think, is good.

00:20:29.140 I was also encouraged that the nominee for the Secretary of State, who is probably going to be,

00:20:37.700 I think his hearings are going to end today. He will probably be confirmed that he reaffirmed

00:20:44.020 what Trump's Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, said about the Uyghur Muslims in China. He declared it

00:20:52.400 a genocide and accused China of crimes against humanity, which is obviously a very serious charge to

00:20:58.780 level. The nominee for Biden Secretary of State agreed with that characterization. So I think

00:21:05.960 that's good. Like, I am not scared at all to cheer on this administration if they put America first

00:21:12.900 when it comes to job creation, which obviously we know that they're not doing that because they're

00:21:20.220 talking about raising the minimum wage to $15, which is going to crush small businesses. And they're

00:21:24.580 also talking about raising taxes, which will crush the middle class. They're also getting rid of the

00:21:29.220 Keystone Pipeline, which is taking away jobs. But where they do try to focus on American jobs,

00:21:35.540 I will applaud them. Where they do condemn China, our greatest economic and in some ways safety threat,

00:21:44.080 it's hard to say military threat because we're still the strongest military power in the world,

00:21:47.760 but our biggest threat in many different categories, as long as they're strong on those things,

00:21:53.680 I will applaud them on the things that they're doing well. So this particular executive order,

00:21:57.900 at least superficially, I actually do appreciate. So lots of other executive orders. This is,

00:22:05.480 you know, we've talked about this, how this phrase is so overused, or this word is so overused,

00:22:10.160 unprecedented. It really is an unprecedented number of executive orders that are being signed right now,

00:22:16.740 not just to reverse everything that Donald Trump has done, but to enact new orders and new measures

00:22:23.580 as well. They also reversed Donald Trump's executive order banning critical race theory

00:22:30.820 at the federal level. So now critical race theory will take its place back in training sessions in the

00:22:38.940 federal government. You guys know how I feel about that. We've talked about critical race theory and how

00:22:44.240 damaging it is many, many times, but of course, that's what they're going to do. They got rid of

00:22:50.660 the 1776 project, which was a counter to the fallacious and false 1619 project, the mythical 1619

00:22:59.260 project. Of course, they are going to be pushing critical race theory and identity politics and

00:23:05.040 things like the 1619 project and all of this craziness that is very damaging and divisive

00:23:10.860 for society. Meanwhile, they will be saying that they are the unifying force, bringing people

00:23:16.700 together. There's a lot more to talk about, about the first few days of the Biden presidency. But now

00:23:22.040 we're going to talk about the executive order that has to do with so-called gender identity

00:23:27.240 and how it affects women and girls. And I'm going to speak to Kara Dansky. She is an attorney

00:23:35.240 and a member of the steering committee of the women's rights campaign, the U.S. chapter.

00:23:46.740 Kara, thank you so much for joining me. I am really excited to get your perspective

00:23:51.240 on this executive order. First, I kind of want to back up and just start with the basics,

00:23:56.920 the fundamentals of what to a lot of people is a crazy and confusing conversation.

00:24:02.860 Uh, when this executive order talks about, um, not being able to discriminate on gender identity,

00:24:10.280 what does that phrase even mean?

00:24:14.040 It's a great question. And thank you so much for having me, you know,

00:24:18.520 unfortunately our society seems to have adopted the notion that there is such a thing as gender

00:24:25.740 identity and that it merits protection in the law. So I would say two things. One,

00:24:31.700 I would say that really gender identity doesn't mean much of anything. When you really dig down

00:24:38.340 into the particulars, it's a made up ideology that has no grounding in material reality whatsoever.

00:24:46.100 It is fundamentally anti-science and it really doesn't merit being protected in civil rights law.

00:24:53.500 Now, to the extent that so-called gender identity means anything, what it means from a feminist

00:25:00.200 perspective, which is where I come from, gender, as far as we're concerned, is a caste system.

00:25:06.680 Gender is a set of sex-based stereotypes, which we're all really familiar with. It's the notion

00:25:14.520 that girls are supposed to like pink and boys are supposed to like blue, that men are innately

00:25:20.520 aggressive and women are innately nurturing. And these are sex-based stereotypes that feminists have

00:25:27.960 been fighting for centuries to destroy. And to the extent that gender identity means anything at

00:25:34.840 all, it means a person chooses to adopt or identify with the sex-based stereotypes of the opposite sex.

00:25:44.840 And from a feminist perspective, that's extremely harmful because we don't want those sex-based

00:25:49.880 stereotypes to exist at all. From our perspective, if a man wants to wear a pink outfit,

00:25:56.360 he ought to be able to do that. If a woman wants to wear pants and become an attorney or a CEO,

00:26:04.520 she ought to be able to do that. We want to get rid of sex-based stereotypes. And to the extent that

00:26:10.520 so-called gender identity ideology exists, it would enshrine those sex-based stereotypes in society. And what

00:26:19.800 President Biden's order does is enshrine them in the law. And we think that that is horrible for women

00:26:25.960 and girls. But even going back, really at its core, when you really examine it, gender identity doesn't

00:26:33.880 mean anything. It is not grounded in material reality and is anti-science.

00:26:38.680 Right. And we would acknowledge that something, an anomaly like intersex obviously exists.

00:26:46.600 Something like gender dysphoria actually exists. I mean, these are diagnoses that really exist,

00:26:52.920 people feeling uncomfortable in their bodies. But what you are saying is that this idea that we are

00:26:59.720 just able to declare what gender we are independent of our sex has no basis in reality and therefore

00:27:09.800 should have no holding in our law, correct?

00:27:13.960 Yeah. And it's important to bring up the real topic of intersex. It is true that there are people

00:27:22.120 with what is commonly referred to as intersex is sometimes referred to as disorders of sexual

00:27:28.360 development or differences of sexual development. And what that means is that there are some people,

00:27:34.040 a very small minority of people who have chromosomal anomalies, right? Women have XX chromosomes,

00:27:40.280 men have XY chromosomes, and there are some people who have different chromosomal makeups. It's a very

00:27:46.360 tiny minority of the population. And from what I understand of the science, I'm not a scientist,

00:27:52.760 but I have read a lot about this and spoken with scientists and doctors. If anybody has a

00:27:58.200 Y chromosome, that person is still male, because the Y chromosome triggers a certain gene that develops

00:28:05.720 into a male body, right? So what you're referring to as intersex is real, certainly. And yes,

00:28:16.280 my understanding is that there are people who are uncomfortable in their bodies. But I also just want

00:28:21.160 to say there's nothing unusual about being uncomfortable in our bodies. Most people

00:28:28.920 struggle a bit with puberty, especially girls. And there's nothing unusual or strange about one

00:28:37.480 being uncomfortable in one's body. But that doesn't make a person actually the opposite sex.

00:28:43.320 Which is one of the dangers, and especially when it comes to this movement,

00:28:48.440 as it pertains to children. Is that a child who expresses any discomfort in their body or

00:28:53.560 any discomfort with, like you said, gender stereotypes? Maybe a girl who wants to

00:28:59.560 only wear pants and not wear dresses. That was me when I was younger. I never wanted to wear a dress.

00:29:04.040 I wanted to wear a white t-shirt and jeans. I liked bugs and snakes. And I just wasn't into the frilly

00:29:12.200 stuff nowadays that is almost seen as well. Is that young girl confused about her gender? Is she

00:29:19.240 confused about her identity? Should we talk to a psychologist? Should we perhaps use cross-sex

00:29:25.320 hormones in order to suppress puberty or to delay puberty so we can talk about who she really is?

00:29:31.640 I mean, it's kind of scary to think about that there are a lot of kids, there are a lot of girls and boys

00:29:36.680 who have different interests and don't fit maybe the typical gender stereotype that has been constructed

00:29:43.640 that you talked about in the beginning, who now are being told, even sometimes by pediatricians

00:29:49.720 and psychologists and parents, well, that must mean that your body is wrong. That must mean that your

00:29:55.320 biology is wrong. And to me, that just seems like it would be so damaging for adolescents who don't

00:30:02.760 really have gender dysphoria but are almost being pressured into changing their bodies just because

00:30:07.880 they don't fit this narrow definition of what it means to be a boy or a girl, right?

00:30:12.920 Yes. And you're right to say it's very scary. It is extremely scary. And I think that a lot of

00:30:19.320 people are really under-informed about what is really going on here. And what is going on here is that

00:30:24.920 you're absolutely right. Children in schools are being told that if they're uncomfortable in their

00:30:29.960 body, then perhaps they are the opposite sex. And parents are not getting the information

00:30:35.240 that they need to really navigate this very difficult situation. It is scarier than most

00:30:41.240 people understand. We are dealing with a situation in which children, as you say, are getting puberty

00:30:46.840 blockers at alarmingly young ages. And we do not know the long-term effects of puberty blockers on

00:30:54.040 otherwise healthy children. It's worth understanding that puberty blockers were created and first

00:30:59.960 administered for people who have what is referred to as precocious puberty. These are kids who just

00:31:05.080 start puberty early and their medical professionals feel like they're starting puberty at an age where

00:31:11.320 they're not psychologically prepared to handle those kinds of changes. So doctors will halt the process

00:31:17.960 of puberty until the kids are at an age and at a psychological level of development where they're

00:31:24.200 in line with their peers and they're psychologically prepared to handle it. Nobody's disputing the

00:31:29.240 validity of that. The problem here is that we're talking about children who are otherwise

00:31:35.480 normal, we would say, sort of developmentally, and they're being given puberty blockers. And we do not

00:31:41.480 know the long-term effects of this. One thing that we do know is that the overwhelming majority of

00:31:46.520 children who are given puberty blockers go on to take cross-sex hormones. And, you know, this results

00:31:54.120 in some serious health effects. We know that this is more likely to cause cancer in children and young

00:32:02.280 adults. And we know that it causes permanent sterility. And this is happening in children who are not prepared

00:32:09.160 to make the kinds of decisions that our society is pressuring them, as you said, to make.

00:32:16.040 And some of your viewers may not know, there's been a really helpful development in the UK in a case

00:32:24.040 involving a young woman named Kira Bell. She's in the UK and she was given puberty blockers at a very

00:32:31.960 young age, went on to take cross-sex hormones, then turned out to regret all of that and sued the gender

00:32:38.920 identity clinic that she was sent to. And she won her case. And a court in the UK has now ruled that

00:32:45.560 children under 16 cannot legally consent to these kinds of medical interventions. And that case is now on

00:32:53.560 appeal. But it's a very positive development for kids in the UK.

00:32:56.920 Right. Absolutely. I mean, we understand it's just kind of common sense that there are a lot of things

00:33:03.160 that children can't consent to, that they're just not able to kind of make those long-term

00:33:10.200 decisions. That's why the family is important. That's why parents are important. That's why the

00:33:14.600 strength of families is important, because parents are instilled with that responsibility

00:33:21.240 of good stewardship of their kids to help them and guide them to navigate these very confusing

00:33:28.040 questions. And when you kind of surrender that responsibility that you have as a parent to this

00:33:34.840 social experiment that says, well, let's try to change my child's biology because she doesn't want

00:33:40.440 to wear a dress or something like that, or because she learned about this at school and is now confused.

00:33:46.760 Like you said, it becomes very frightening. I'm encouraged by what we saw in the UK.

00:33:52.360 I hope and I could see this kind of snowballing where people are at least able to say,

00:33:59.240 okay, let's not make our kids a social experiment. I want to talk about how this order in particular,

00:34:08.440 and this movement in general has an effect, um, not just on the kids who are getting these puberty

00:34:15.960 blockers at say eight to 11 years old, but also, um, female athletes, uh, young girls in female only

00:34:24.680 spaces, locker rooms, bathrooms. This executive order basically says, if you get federal funding,

00:34:31.160 you're not able to say that boys who identify as girls can't go in the girls' bathroom or

00:34:36.280 run and track against girls. Correct. What's the implication of all of that?

00:34:42.040 Yeah. I, so I want to talk about the order, but just going back to the, to the question of parents

00:34:46.440 and how frightening this is, I'm aware of cases in which parents have lost custody of their children.

00:34:52.600 Children have been removed from their parents' homes in cases where the parents do not go along with the

00:34:58.280 so-called affirming approach. Um, it is impossible to state how alarming this is and how much danger

00:35:06.360 we are all in because, um, the ideology of so-called gender identity has taken over throughout all of

00:35:14.680 our social institutions, including the law, including government, including journalism,

00:35:19.400 including academia. Every single institution has been completely captured by this.

00:35:24.040 And it trumps other rights too. It trumps parental rights. And obviously it's not in the best interest

00:35:29.960 of the child when you think about our foster care system. And unfortunately, in a lot of cases,

00:35:34.520 the abuses and the neglect that goes on there to think that taking a child from the loving home and

00:35:41.000 the caring home and the attentive home of their parents, even parents who think that, okay, you know,

00:35:46.760 I'm not going to go along with this newfound gender identity to think that that could be good

00:35:52.360 for that child. I mean, it's, it just shows you that this is ideologically driven. This is not about

00:35:58.920 the wellbeing of these kids. Absolutely. And, you know, as, as you said earlier, I, you know,

00:36:04.840 I, it's just worth emphasizing. I come at this from a feminist perspective and I agree with you a hundred

00:36:09.280 percent on what you just said. Um, so maybe turning to the order, it might be helpful to go back

00:36:15.400 to last June with the Supreme court's ruling in the Bostock decision. Is that okay to maybe ground

00:36:20.500 this? Okay. Let's definitely do that. Cause this is what the executive order is based on.

00:36:25.240 So the Supreme court last year first combined a couple of cases. It combined two cases in which

00:36:34.240 gay men had been fired from their jobs because they were gay. And it combined those two cases with

00:36:40.560 the case called Amy Stevens, in which a man named Amy Stevens demanded recognition by his employer to

00:36:47.440 be considered to be a woman. And so the court conflated these three cases. It's ruling that the

00:36:54.820 gay men should not have been fired for being gay. We would argue is great from the perspective that it

00:37:01.260 is wrong to fire someone for being gay. We are all in favor of protection of sexual orientation

00:37:08.600 in employment law. But then what it did is it also ruled that it is, it constitutes sex discrimination

00:37:16.360 in the employment context to fire someone based on so-called transgender status. The Supreme court

00:37:24.080 never defined what transgender status might mean. So we don't know. The other thing that's important

00:37:31.320 to note about the Bostock decision from last June is that the court was very clear that it's ruling

00:37:38.580 was limited to employment discrimination. Now, there were many of us at that time that said, well,

00:37:45.980 that's not going to work because for practical purposes, a lot of people are going to interpret this

00:37:52.060 as applying outside of the employment context. And that is exactly what this executive order does. It says

00:38:00.060 inaccurately that Bostock ruled that gender identity is protected. Bostock didn't actually rule that.

00:38:07.720 The language that the Bostock decision used is that people are protected in employment based on

00:38:13.100 transgender status, again, without defining it. And the Bostock decision limited its ruling to the

00:38:20.420 employment context. One thing that this executive order does is state inaccurately that gender identity

00:38:27.660 is now protected in all sorts of other contexts. It uses some tricky language. It says under the reasoning

00:38:35.040 of Bostock, the gender identity protection applies in Title IX and in other contexts. And that's just

00:38:43.980 inaccurate. It's a complete misrepresentation of the Bostock decision. So Bostock happened. And

00:38:52.520 our view is that Bostock was terrible for women and girls. Notwithstanding that, as bad as that was for

00:39:00.900 women and girls, the order takes it even further. And I just want to, sorry, I just want to know for

00:39:06.800 my audience to remember that when Bostock was decided, Justice Gorsuch, a conservative constitutionalist

00:39:14.760 justice, is what swayed the decision in this direction, which a lot of conservatives were

00:39:22.040 very disappointed in. So I just want to remind people that this is not just a matter of liberal

00:39:27.780 versus conservative, that there was a conservative judge that was appointed by President Trump,

00:39:32.840 our justice, that decided that went with the concurrence for the Bostock decision. So I just

00:39:41.800 wanted to note that for everyone. That's right. Thanks for that clarification. So I just think it's

00:39:48.720 really important to understand. We talked about what gender identity is. We didn't really talk about

00:39:54.700 what it isn't. One thing that gender identity, whatever it is, it is not sexual orientation.

00:40:01.780 And I think it's important that everybody really understand that all of the lesbians and gay men

00:40:08.560 that I know do not want to have anything to do with this so-called gender identity movement.

00:40:15.200 They just don't want to be affiliated with it because same-sex attracted people are attracted to

00:40:21.140 other people on the basis of sex. Opposite-sex people are attracted to people on the basis of

00:40:26.660 sex. This is all grounded in material reality. It has nothing to do with so-called gender identity,

00:40:32.960 whatever that means. And we need to understand that it is simply not possible to protect women and girls

00:40:41.860 in the law, in sports, in same-sex or in sex-segregated spaces, in prisons, in domestic violence shelters,

00:40:53.320 rape crisis centers, homeless shelters. We cannot protect women and girls and also say that gender

00:41:01.800 identity is a category of people worthy of civil rights protection. They are just not compatible.

00:41:10.240 So we just need to understand that if we're going to have laws and policies that protect so-called

00:41:17.760 gender identity, what we are doing is obliterating women and girls as a sex-based class of people in

00:41:25.840 the law. And obviously the reason why that's important is because it's something that I think a lot of

00:41:32.220 transgender activists deny, and that is that there are fundamental biological differences between men and

00:41:38.600 women. The reason why we raise so many concerns about biological men entering women's spaces, and

00:41:44.080 we don't so much, quite as much, talk about biological women entering men's spaces, and the danger of that

00:41:50.300 is because there is potentially a physical threat, especially when you're talking about physical

00:41:55.600 competition and track or something like that. There is a physical advantage that biological men

00:42:02.360 have over the average woman that poses a threat to her, that can be a danger to her. And I actually

00:42:10.700 talked about that once, and the response that I got from someone, which I just think is so detached

00:42:17.860 from reality, but is indicative of how a lot of activists apparently think. And this person told me

00:42:24.020 that that was internalized misogyny, that there's no reason why a woman wouldn't be able to beat a man

00:42:30.440 and track. There's no reason why a woman wouldn't be able to defend herself in a situation in which a man

00:42:35.860 entered what is supposed to be a private, exclusively female space. That's just me affirming gender

00:42:42.360 stereotypes about women being the weaker sex. It's almost like we're not even allowed to talk about the

00:42:48.160 biological advantages that men, even those who identify as women and, you know, maybe taking cross-sex

00:42:56.000 hormones have over women. Why, why this detachment from reality?

00:43:01.700 It's not even almost as though we're not allowed to talk about it. It is, it is exactly that we are

00:43:07.360 not allowed to talk about it, but feminists will keep talking about this. And you're absolutely right.

00:43:13.000 Men do retain physical advantages over women in sports. And I also just think, even if that weren't

00:43:19.760 true, and it is men retain physical advantages over women in sports, even if they're taking

00:43:25.020 puberty blockers or cross-sex hormones, they do, they retain physical advantages just in terms of size

00:43:31.040 alone. And, um, other things like bone density, lung capacity, hormones don't change any of that.

00:43:38.500 Right.

00:43:38.720 But even if that weren't true, women need to have the right to say no to men under any circumstances

00:43:46.880 for any reason or no reason at all, including in the bedroom, in our bathrooms and on the playing

00:43:53.440 field. We have to be absolutely relentless about this. Women have the right to say no to men.

00:44:00.200 Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's probably a point that is lost in all of this. And it also seems like

00:44:06.500 there are many people who are comfortable with living in this cognitive dissonance that for example,

00:44:11.400 we can say that Kamala Harris is the first female vice president. And so we obviously

00:44:18.540 acknowledge that sex is significant, that it actually means something, that it's not just

00:44:24.160 her gender identity that makes this a special event or a special accomplishment. We still call

00:44:32.320 people, I would say normal, most people in society still refer to people by gendered pronouns and the

00:44:39.300 gender binary of he and she and her and him. And yet when it comes to something like this executive

00:44:45.400 order, when it comes to activism, we push all of that common sense away and we start embracing this

00:44:52.480 dissonance, detached from reality language of, well, gender identity is this very fluid thing that has

00:44:59.520 nothing to do with sex. And like you said, it also confuses things like homosexuality. I saw someone the

00:45:05.600 other day, call out Miley Cyrus. Miley Cyrus said, you know, I'm attracted to women because of this

00:45:11.300 part of their anatomy and it's better than this part of guy's anatomy. And, you know,

00:45:16.220 And she used fairly cruise language, characteristically of Miley Cyrus.

00:45:20.540 She did. She did. And people were upset about that. Not because I guess of her attraction,

00:45:25.800 but because she associated certain anatomy with women and certain anatomy with men. And this person who

00:45:32.360 was trying to refute her said, no, no, no, no, no. Homosexuality is really about being attracted to

00:45:36.840 gender identity, not, not about being attracted to anatomy. And I just, like you were saying, I just

00:45:44.020 don't think that's true. This all seems very unsustainable to me. Like it's just going to come

00:45:49.480 to a head at some point. One can only hope. The dissonance that you talk about is absolutely

00:45:58.080 astonishing. I have been following this issue for years and because of my feminist activism and my

00:46:04.420 feminist background, I have known how devastating this all is to the rights, privacy and safety of

00:46:10.560 women and girls. What I did not see coming and what most of us did not see coming is the speed and force

00:46:17.060 with which this ideology has completely captured all of our institutions. And you're absolutely right

00:46:22.700 about the dissonance. So just another example, uh, also yesterday, Keira Knightley, the actress from

00:46:29.320 the UK announced that she will no longer, uh, she will no longer be filmed doing sex scenes that are

00:46:35.860 directed by men. And the thing of it is, this has nothing to do with so-called gender identity. This is

00:46:40.800 just her making a statement about what she is and is, and is not willing to do on, on camera.

00:46:46.180 And every single person who read that story knows exactly what she means. She knows, we all know

00:46:54.460 that she is a woman and we all know what she means by a sex scene. And we all know what she means by

00:47:02.160 sex scenes directed by men. When we have conversations like this, normally when we're not talking about so

00:47:09.420 called gender identity, everybody knows what a woman is and everybody knows what a man is. But all of a

00:47:15.400 sudden when the phrase gender identity comes onto the scene, people act like they're all of a sudden

00:47:20.700 confused, but in reality, no one's really confused. It's just the dissonance. It's the dissonance that

00:47:27.020 you're talking about, which is just astonishing. It's, it's forced confusion, which I think, um,

00:47:34.300 a good portion of the sexual revolution, at least from my conservative perspective is a lot of forced

00:47:41.360 confusion. Um, and it's damaging, like you said, not just to individuals, not just to people's safety

00:47:47.660 and privacy, but also to families, um, to children, to people's minds. Um, something that has really

00:47:54.880 been settled science for as long as humans have been around is now being called into question.

00:48:00.500 And we're already seeing the damaging societal ramifications for that. And what I hope is that,

00:48:07.680 you know, I always say that truth is like a beach ball. You can try to push it under the water,

00:48:12.260 but eventually it's going to pop back up to me. This is such an irrefutable reality. The reality

00:48:18.880 of male and female that the beach ball is going to pop back up one way or another. It's just a matter

00:48:23.980 of how much damage is going to be caused in the process. Do you agree? I completely agree. I think

00:48:30.100 that you and I could probably have a very interesting conversation about what is meant by the sexual

00:48:34.780 revolution. And I'm sure that you and I probably disagree about a lot of things that, that that's,

00:48:40.100 that's entailed in that. And that's fine. I'm, I'm happy to talk with people who disagree with me on

00:48:44.760 a lot of things. Um, but I guess I just want to say that what feminists were doing during the second

00:48:51.460 wave of feminism in the 1960s and 1970s was not about denying the category of women. You know,

00:48:59.740 you and I might disagree about a lot of things about second wave feminism and that's okay.

00:49:03.660 But one thing we have to be very clear on is that feminists never tried to suggest that women don't

00:49:09.220 exist. It's the exact opposite of that. And now it's all just been perverted.

00:49:14.220 Yeah. I think my argument would be when it would be around like what women were purportedly

00:49:25.140 liberated from. And I think that trying to minimize gender harmful gender stereotypes is good. And

00:49:35.140 obviously affirming people's sex, even if they don't fit into narrow categories is really good.

00:49:40.380 I think I take issue with the parts of feminism that say, well, women need to be able to be exactly

00:49:46.920 like men. And we need to get away with this idea that women are more nurturing or, uh, women tend to

00:49:52.400 like these things when in general, a lot of those descriptors are true. And when we try to tell women,

00:49:58.780 no, you can be like this and you can be exactly like a man to me, it's almost inevitable that it

00:50:04.640 leads to kind of the confusion that we're seeing right now that, okay, if we get rid of all unique

00:50:10.640 descriptors of men and women, then there's going to be a whole lot of confusion. So I'm not saying I have

00:50:17.080 the answer to the balance of that, but I can also see how the logic of feminism has led to where we

00:50:21.960 are right now. I mean, I can understand the argument that you're making and I would disagree

00:50:27.720 with it because I don't think that feminism was saying that it also becomes a little bit difficult

00:50:31.800 because there are different kinds of feminism and we have to get into like, you know, labels of

00:50:37.440 this type versus that type and all sorts of things that I don't think we have time for. Um,

00:50:42.040 so I, I think, I think that what we're talking about right now actually leads to a really interesting

00:50:48.100 conversation about how in our society today, people can talk with one another, right? Like

00:50:54.000 I heard what you just said and I can understand your argument and disagree with it. And I don't hate

00:51:00.920 you, you know, I don't, I definitely don't hate you either. Yes. I feel like there are a lot of ways

00:51:07.340 in which our society has lost the ability to have decent conversations with people with whom we

00:51:13.340 might disagree. And, you know, we might change each other's minds. You know, I don't know. I'm

00:51:19.160 open to that possibility. I would welcome more conversations like this, but when it comes to the

00:51:24.260 topic of gender identity, people who push back against it are generally shut down. Um, I, you know,

00:51:30.200 I think you mentioned my Tucker Carlson appearance. I related a story to him about how, uh, about a year

00:51:35.980 ago, I, and a couple other women wanted to have a conversation, a public conversation in a public

00:51:41.120 library about how so-called gender identity is destroying the rights of women and girls.

00:51:46.500 And I'm not kidding when I say that as we left, literally hundreds of people ran after us and

00:51:51.940 threatened us. And you know, it's just astonishing. I know women who have, I literally know women who

00:51:58.560 have lost their jobs because they speak up for the rights, privacy, and safety of women and girls.

00:52:03.300 And the, um, the tyranny of this is just, is, is really destructive to civil society and to humanity.

00:52:15.720 And I think it speaks to how bad the idea is. Bad ideas have to be forced. Bad ideas have to come

00:52:23.040 tyrannically. Bad ideas have to be bullied into the populace and have to, um, the, I mean, I think

00:52:30.380 this executive order goes against popular opinion. I think it goes against what most people know is

00:52:35.480 good and right and true, uh, for society. And yet, uh, because of the tyrannical nature that you just

00:52:42.480 described because of the bullying, sometimes with these lobbying groups, I think a lot of politicians

00:52:47.240 and, um, just private citizens are forced to conform. And like I said, it's not a good idea if it doesn't

00:52:55.800 allow for the, um, for the airing out of other ideas too. Um, so thank you for what you do. Thank

00:53:03.660 you for being willing to speak out, even when it's unpopular, even when it can feel dangerous at times,

00:53:08.960 can you tell people where they can find you and how they can support what you do?

00:53:13.980 Sure. Please visit womensdeclaration.com. Check it out. See if you like it. If you like it,

00:53:19.520 sign onto it. You also might want to check out the 11th hour blog. That's the number 11 11th hour

00:53:25.940 blog. Uh, this goes into extraordinary detail about the funding that is fueling this movement.

00:53:32.480 And, um, yeah, just check us out. There's, there's actually a lot of information out there. It's just

00:53:37.960 very difficult to find, but you can find it, but go to womensdeclaration.com as a starting point.

00:53:43.560 Awesome. Well, thank you so much. I really appreciate you taking the time to talk to us.

00:53:47.240 Thank you. I appreciate it.

00:53:49.520 All right, guys, thank you so much for listening to this episode and, uh, that conversation.

00:53:59.540 Obviously there's a lot more to be said about, um, all of this. I think the thing that we worry

00:54:05.980 about as Christians is obviously parental rights, obviously what this means for our kids and the

00:54:11.360 subversion of reality, not just biblical truth, which, like I said, at the beginning of this episode,

00:54:16.180 as we've talked about before is so fundamental to our worldview that God created the male and

00:54:20.980 female. Um, really that God is just in charge, that he created the universe, that he says what

00:54:25.600 is and what is it, what's right. And what's wrong, what's male and what's female. And he made them male

00:54:30.020 and female and he made them very good. And so it is a fundamental tenet of Christianity that we affirm

00:54:35.720 that which God says is very good, that we therefore affirm God's authority over the world,

00:54:42.060 over our bodies, over our so-called identities, that the world is his. That's why my favorite hymn is

00:54:47.780 this is my father's world. When chaos and confusion are waging, when we have gotten so far into

00:54:55.180 postmodernism and the denial of absolute truth that we can't even say what a woman is, something that

00:55:00.640 has been established since the beginning of human existence that hasn't been arguable in any sense of

00:55:07.760 the word. Now we've decided with all the human hubris in the world that this is up for debate

00:55:13.780 at the expense of the protection of children, uh, the cohesion of the family and the preservation and

00:55:20.920 the privacy of women. And so we've got to stay grounded in the truth, biblical truth, moral truth,

00:55:27.160 natural truth that we can observe with our eyes and ears. And this also matters politically as well,

00:55:33.220 because, uh, the more we look to the state or the more we look to the popular party or the mainstream

00:55:38.860 dogma about what is true and what is not, what is scientific reality and what is not, the more

00:55:45.340 vulnerable we become to being overtaken by totalitarianism. We talked about yesterday that

00:55:52.080 totalitarianism, it doesn't start with the state. It doesn't start with politics. It's a cultural

00:55:58.140 revolution that happens. It starts on the private level. It starts on the interpersonal level.

00:56:02.520 It starts in the pulpit. It starts in all of our interactions, um, in daily life. And it starts

00:56:10.040 with the subversion of truth. Hannah Arendt, who is an author who, uh, wrote about the origins of

00:56:15.960 totalitarianism in the mid 20th century. Uh, she says this quote, which I think is just very profound.

00:56:22.260 The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced communist,

00:56:28.240 but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, i.e. the reality of experience and the

00:56:35.060 distinction between true and false, i.e. the standards of thought no longer exist. We see that

00:56:40.720 this is true. And George Orwell's 1984, that if the party says two plus two equals five, then it has to

00:56:47.840 equal five. And you, as just a mere agent of the state, have no ability, have no existential right

00:56:57.060 to be able to say, no authority to be able to say that two plus two actually objectively equals four.

00:57:03.020 That's a dangerous place to be. I think that we see bits of this actually on the right and the left.

00:57:07.920 This doesn't just have to do with gender. It has to do with truth in general. Um, and so we have a

00:57:13.280 blessed privilege as Christians to know truth, to know the source of truth, to know where it comes

00:57:17.020 from, to appeal to the authority of all things when we are confused and when the world is confused.

00:57:22.540 And that is what our comfort is, that this is our father's world. He created it. He says what is and

00:57:28.200 what isn't. He says what's right and what's wrong. He says what is male and what is female. Um, and even

00:57:33.920 in the craziness of all these executive orders and maybe in leadership and decisions we don't like,

00:57:38.560 we can trust that he is still as much on his throne and as much in control as he has ever been.

00:57:43.520 And I'm thankful for that. All right. We will be back here tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - January 26, 2021

Ep 358 ｜ Biden Erases Women & Jobs with Executive Orders ｜ Guest： Kara Dansky

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