Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 372 ｜ Canadian Pastor Jailed & Lessons from Limbaugh

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. Hope everyone has had a wonderful week. The

00:00:15.700 weather is getting better down south in Texas and the states surrounding Texas. We talked

00:00:21.780 about yesterday why all of this craziness is happening, not just weather-wise, but I'm

00:00:26.540 also talking about the power outages. Some people are out of water. Apparently some people

00:00:31.160 are going to be out of power for several weeks. So please continue to pray for these areas

00:00:37.400 who unfortunately are just unprepared for a variety of reasons. In relation to that, I

00:00:43.600 did just want to mention this one story that just came out. Apparently Senator Ted Cruz

00:00:47.520 from Texas is on his way to Cancun. So there are some mixed reviews on this. Some people

00:00:55.220 are saying, who cares? No big deal. What's he going to do anyway? He's a senator. There's

00:01:00.540 really nothing that he can do. And part of that is true. I would say it's not necessarily

00:01:05.440 a good look in the same way that it's not a good look for Gavin Newsom to be eating at

00:01:09.840 the French Laundry when restaurants are supposed to be shut down or Lori Lightfoot or Chuck

00:01:15.400 Schumer to be out in crowds when they're telling everyone else to stay home or Mariel Browser

00:01:20.260 or I think that's her last name. Yeah, Browser, the mayor of D.C. going to celebrate Joe Biden

00:01:26.260 after he won the election while making sure that everyone stays home in D.C. So I don't think that

00:01:32.420 it's necessarily the greatest look. Surely there could be something that could be done. Surely there

00:01:37.980 is like some kind of service opportunity for families in Texas that possibly Senator Ted Cruz

00:01:44.580 could have taken. It's just, I don't know. I'm not trying to drag him through the mud or anything

00:01:52.180 like that. It's just when I look at all the suffering that's happening right now in Texas

00:01:57.160 and I think about all of the people who would love to be warm just by having heat. And then

00:02:03.380 I think about the senator from Texas flying to go on vacation in Cancun. It just doesn't necessarily

00:02:12.420 sit right with me. But I don't know. Maybe I'm just being overly sensitive. Maybe I'm wrong about

00:02:18.220 that. But continue to pray for Texas. Continue to pray for the surrounding areas. Today is my birthday.

00:02:25.040 It's the start. Yesterday I said it's my last year of being 29. No, it is my last year of being in my

00:02:31.180 20s. So I am 29 years old today. And I would love for you to donate to Thrive Women's Clinic.

00:02:38.880 It is a pregnancy center, a pro-life pregnancy center down in Dallas. And they've set up an

00:02:46.280 Amazon registry. And all you have to do is follow the link that I'll put in the description to this

00:02:51.900 podcast. And you go to the Amazon registry and you can donate an item. So you can donate just one

00:02:58.260 item that's $5. You can donate an expensive item or you can donate several items. There are a lot of

00:03:03.800 moms who are pregnant moms who are in crisis or moms of newborns who are in crisis. And they may be in

00:03:10.660 especially dire situations right now and unable to get all the resources and the tools, the formula,

00:03:17.620 the diapers, the wipes that they need because of the weather and because of stores being closed down.

00:03:23.400 And so if you can donate to Thrive Women's Clinic, then you can really help out a lot of pregnant moms

00:03:30.400 in need in Texas. I would love for you to do that in honor of my 29th birthday. All right. Today, we're going

00:03:37.100 to talk about a couple things. We are going to talk about Rush Limbaugh, the talk radio legend who died

00:03:44.020 yesterday. We're going to briefly talk about that. And then we're also going to talk about

00:03:50.040 discrimination, at least in rhetoric, against Christianity by, for example, the UN and then several

00:03:57.680 other influential media outlets and what that means for us. And I will end with some encouragement. I promise

00:04:04.340 you, I will end this. I will end this episode and end this week with some encouragement for you guys, because

00:04:10.220 I know it's been well, at least for those of us down south, it's been a crazy and somewhat heavy week for

00:04:16.960 us. And so I will try to end not just with some levity, but with some real encouragement and equipment for you

00:04:23.000 guys. All right. Let's first talk about Rush Limbaugh. So a lot of you have been listening to

00:04:27.740 Rush Limbaugh for, you know, the past, I think he, uh, hosted for 31 years. Some of you have been

00:04:34.760 listening to him that entire time, either from the time that you were kids or the time you were a young

00:04:39.400 adult, depending on how old you are. Um, I did not grow up listening to Rush Limbaugh. We were more,

00:04:44.820 um, you know, focused on the family, like Christian radio, country radio type people growing up. And so

00:04:51.140 I don't remember listening to Rush Limbaugh. Honestly, I, I listened to him maybe a couple

00:04:57.000 times when I lived in Georgia, um, like right before the Trump election. Um, but he's just not

00:05:04.440 someone I listened to because I haven't really listened to talk radio very much throughout my

00:05:08.520 life. And when I said that on Instagram, a lot of you reached out saying that I really missed out.

00:05:13.440 And I, um, I understand that because a lot of people truly feel like Rush Limbaugh was a

00:05:20.700 father-like figure in their life. And what I keep seeing from people is his generosity of spirit.

00:05:27.220 And now I know if there are liberals who are listening to this or liberals who are watching

00:05:30.880 this, I have seen the absolute vitriol, the hatred, the venom that is coming from people who

00:05:36.460 didn't like Rush Limbaugh and just cackling their heads off at the idea that he was any type of generous

00:05:42.360 or kind guy. But for those who loved him, for those who listened to him, it was his joy and it was

00:05:48.760 his generosity in a variety of ways, generosity of spirit and generosity monetarily, um, that made

00:05:57.020 people love him. And I think that whether you agreed with him or not, whether you liked his

00:06:01.240 commentary or not, it's still useful for us to take a step back and to ask ourselves what made him so

00:06:07.200 successful? Like, why was he such a pioneer? Why did he change talk radio for so many people?

00:06:13.260 Obviously, you know, I work with the talk radio legend, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity is another talk

00:06:19.380 radio extraordinaire, Laura Ingram. There are a lot of people in this space, Larry Elder, who have done

00:06:24.960 an excellent job and they all credit Rush Limbaugh for paving the way for them. And they kind of set

00:06:31.600 him up on a different pedestal than the other amazing talk radio hosts that conservatism can claim.

00:06:37.640 And it's just because he had that thing, whatever it is, a lot of people have this, um, who are in

00:06:45.640 media or who are in different forms of entertainment. They have that intangible thing that makes you want

00:06:51.860 to watch them and makes you want to listen to them on paper. They might not necessarily have,

00:06:56.580 um, you know, more credentials or, um, any kind of tangible reasons why they should be more successful

00:07:04.460 than their competition or other people. But Rush just had that thing that made people want to listen

00:07:11.080 to him. He was good humor. He was funny. And what I've also heard from people continually is that he

00:07:16.080 always left you with a sense of optimism is that he never allowed you to panic that even when things

00:07:22.860 are going really bad, even when things were chaotic and confusing that he still left his listeners

00:07:28.520 feeling like there's a reason to hold on. Like we don't ever run away from the country. We don't ever

00:07:33.060 run away from our problems, but rather we run into our problems, um, with, with bravery and with

00:07:39.400 boldness and with a sense of purpose. And so whether you liked him or not understand that's why people

00:07:45.820 loved him. They fortify, he fortified their patriotism, their love of country, their care

00:07:53.320 for the country. He never just left them feeling desperate and hopeless. And people throughout the

00:08:00.720 years for the past three decades have been looking for that. And they found that in Rush Limbaugh's

00:08:06.560 radio show. Now, there were a lot of people celebrating yesterday because of his death.

00:08:12.680 And I have a list of tweets that I could read, not just from random trolls, by the way,

00:08:17.380 but from blue check marks, people with thousands, hundreds of thousands, in some cases, millions

00:08:22.860 of followers, a very grotesquely ghoulishly celebrating Rush Limbaugh's death, bringing

00:08:29.700 up everything that he ever said that has offended him, has offended them. And look, I've watched

00:08:35.920 some of the videos. I've read some of the stories. There are things that he has said that are offensive

00:08:41.740 that, that I wouldn't say, but there are a lot of people who say things that I find highly

00:08:48.420 offensive that I wouldn't say. And I still would not celebrate their death. Unfortunately,

00:08:54.120 this seems to be the rule among leftist Twitter, that when someone they disagree with dies,

00:09:00.200 they celebrate. And I don't want to list these specific tweets because I don't want to give

00:09:04.120 them any more of a platform than they have. And honestly, I don't want to depress you because

00:09:07.920 it will depress you and it will reaffirm your knowledge and your confidence in the total depravity

00:09:13.720 of man if I read some of these tweets. So just understand that I'm not making this up,

00:09:18.140 the absolute ghoulishness of some of the celebrations and some of the tweets surrounding

00:09:23.420 Rush Limbaugh's death by prominent leftists on Twitter. And it does make me sad too when I think

00:09:32.340 about it, when I think about the state of people's hearts, when I think about the state of the world.

00:09:37.480 And I think not in a self-righteous way, but just in an honest way that I would never

00:09:41.360 do that. I just wouldn't do that. If Cecile Richards, who was the head of Planned Parenthood,

00:09:48.340 who I believe to be one of the most evil and bloodthirsty and rabid organizations that has

00:09:55.860 ever existed, who has been responsible for the brutal murder of millions of babies.

00:10:01.280 If she died, with all the qualms I have with her, with all of the righteous indignation that I feel

00:10:08.060 against her, I still would not celebrate her death, either publicly or privately. What I would say

00:10:13.820 is, wow, I really hope that she repented and put her faith in Christ. I hope he called her to himself

00:10:20.220 before she died, or else it's not looking good for her. And that's my hope, by the way,

00:10:26.560 for all people, whether it's Rush Limbaugh, who says, he did say recently that he has a relationship

00:10:31.660 with Jesus Christ. So praise God for that. Or whether it's someone on the other side of the

00:10:37.620 aisle, whether it's someone like the head of Planned Parenthood that I adamantly disagree with,

00:10:41.280 my hope is that God would save their soul, that they would have been brought to repentance before

00:10:46.340 they died, and that they would spend eternity with Christ. That is my sincere hope for even my most

00:10:51.960 mortal enemy. I do not celebrate when someone I disagree with dies. And it seems to be that that

00:10:59.780 is the mentality of a lot of people on the right when someone on the left dies. For example, when

00:11:05.140 Ruth Bader Ginsburg died, there was an outpouring of respectful tributes coming from the right

00:11:13.020 towards her. I'm not saying there weren't any random trolls or weren't any people who said anything

00:11:17.380 bad, but the vast majority of prominent conservatives came out and respectfully paid tribute to RBG.

00:11:24.660 And now I know some people are saying, well, RBG is so different than Rush Limbaugh. Rush Limbaugh said

00:11:29.560 this. He used to have this terrible segment. He used to do all of these horrible things.

00:11:34.540 And RBG was a pioneer for women's rights, and she was a Supreme Court justice, so it's not the same.

00:11:40.300 No, no, no, no. That's not my argument. My argument is not necessarily to compare those two people.

00:11:46.480 My argument is that RBG is someone that I disagreed with on a profound level, on a very profound level.

00:11:53.700 Like, I could say that she is responsible in some ways for some of the most grotesque atrocities like

00:12:01.000 abortion in the United States because of some of the decisions and the arguments that she put forward.

00:12:06.100 I mean, on a profound level, I disagree with RBG on a variety of things. On a moral level, on issues that I think

00:12:12.960 have eternal significance, I disagree with RBG. And still, I would have never. And most people that I know,

00:12:20.220 most prominent conservatives that I know, would not ever have celebrated her death or would have

00:12:26.240 ever posted the kind of ghoulishness that we are seeing about Rush Limbaugh. And I know people are

00:12:32.660 still going to say, well, it's different. It's different. It's not different. That argument

00:12:35.720 that, well, my cruelty is justified because the object of my cruelty is worse than the object

00:12:41.340 of your hatred, or the object of my hatred is worse than the object of your hatred, and so my cruelty

00:12:47.980 is justified, it's not a good argument. Don't you see that that makes you a hypocrite? But, you know,

00:12:53.400 the interview that I had with James Lindsay a few weeks ago now, where he talked about, you know,

00:13:00.720 we were talking about, for example, how Democrats are, they're calling out the violence at the Capitol,

00:13:06.380 but they had no problem with the violence that have happened, that's happened in the streets over

00:13:11.720 the past, you know, six months by BLM and Antifa, how they even excuse and condone that they whitewash

00:13:18.700 that and they call that okay. But they are up in arms about what happened at the Capitol. My argument

00:13:25.420 has always been, why can't it be both? Like, why can't we just be against political violence? And

00:13:30.700 James Lindsay talked about that this is actually part of a consistent philosophy, a guy named Marcuse

00:13:35.700 in the 1960s, he argued very prominently, and persuasively, unfortunately, for a lot of people

00:13:42.760 that left wing violence is always justified, because the cause is good. But right wing violence is never

00:13:47.960 justified, because the cause is bad. And so once you understand that that is the first principle of

00:13:52.700 leftism, and therefore, a lot of people who ascribe to leftism, not all, but a lot of prominent people, at

00:13:58.480 least people on, on Twitter, and activists that ascribe to leftism, that's how they see things, is that it is

00:14:04.660 actually consistent, because they believe that the cause is good, and everyone who is against their

00:14:09.260 cause is an enemy. So it's okay to celebrate the death of someone like Rush Limbaugh, it's not okay

00:14:14.120 to celebrate in their minds, the death of someone on their side, because they don't see any kind of

00:14:18.960 equivalence between their cause, and our cause, they see themselves as the right side of history, they see

00:14:23.920 us as the wrong side of history, they see themselves as storming the beaches of Normandy, they see everyone

00:14:29.640 else as the fascist Nazis. And so of course, you are allowed to celebrate when a Nazi dies,

00:14:34.660 but you're not allowed to celebrate when a hero dies, that's how they see things. So

00:14:39.080 once you understand that it's all part of a cohesive worldview, that it's not just a double

00:14:44.620 standard, that it's not just hypocrisy, that they actually, a lot of people who ascribe to this

00:14:49.580 mentality, they actually think that they're being consistent, and even worse than that, virtuous,

00:14:55.160 you realize that it's not even worth sometimes pointing out the hypocrisy, and the double standard,

00:15:00.620 because conservatives don't have the same mentality. Now, I'm not saying that conservatives didn't have

00:15:05.280 some grotesque reactions to RBG, or for example, John McCain, or when George H.W. Bush died, there

00:15:14.100 are a lot of people that I would categorize as, and I'm not saying that support of Donald Trump makes

00:15:19.760 you this way. Obviously, you guys know that they voted for Donald Trump, but it seems like people who

00:15:23.840 are die hard in the MAGA camp, they really didn't like John McCain, they really didn't like George

00:15:30.200 H.W. Bush, which I understand policy disagreements and all of that, but some of the posts that

00:15:35.880 conservatives, or I don't even know, just, I guess, Trump supporters or people on the right,

00:15:41.580 that they posted after those two politicians died, that was also grotesque. But again,

00:15:46.360 any mainstream voices, any people of influence saying that kind of stuff, it just doesn't really

00:15:55.480 happen on the right to be perfectly honest. And it's because we have a different philosophy,

00:16:01.180 we have a different way to view the world. We don't view things as simply, okay, we're on the

00:16:08.560 right side of history on all things, we're storming the beaches of Normandy, everyone else is Nazi,

00:16:13.040 we would rather say no, like, let's say no to political violence in general. Let's say no to

00:16:18.180 dancing on people's grave in general. And again, I can't speak for all conservatives,

00:16:22.500 I'm certainly not speaking for all leftists. But there is a stark contrast between the reactions

00:16:28.280 of the right and the left when someone on the other side of the aisle dies. And for the people

00:16:32.420 saying, Oh, no, Rush Limbaugh was just really bad. He was just really, really bad. No, I mean,

00:16:37.420 you had a lot of leftists also had the same reaction when George H.W. Bush died. They also had the

00:16:42.680 same reaction when Herman Cain died. And so really, it's anyone who is not a Democrat or

00:16:48.360 in the Lincoln Project, but I repeat myself, that they celebrate when they die. They have

00:16:54.140 tolerance for absolutely everyone except for those who disagree with them. And the other

00:16:58.180 piece of irony that I see is that progressives never believe in hell. Hell is so terrible to

00:17:04.120 believe in. The only people who believe in hell are bigots. The only people who believe in hell

00:17:07.900 are just these terrible, awful, exclusive, intolerant people. They don't believe in hell

00:17:13.480 until someone who disagrees with them dies. As soon as someone who disagrees with a progressive

00:17:18.540 dies, all of a sudden, hell exists and Satan exists. And it's this firing brimstone, absolute,

00:17:26.120 merciless, intolerant, puritanical, religious fervor that these live and let live moral relativist

00:17:37.500 progressives show. And it just shows that no one is actually a moral relativist. No one is actually,

00:17:44.180 oh, just live and let live. No one is actually your truth, my truth. Even the people who say that

00:17:48.980 obviously believe in an absolute truth. They obviously believe in a right and a wrong. They

00:17:53.340 obviously have some desire for what they view as evil to be avenged and the people that they don't

00:17:59.240 like to be punished. And we all have a desire for justice. The question is, what's your definition

00:18:05.800 of justice and where is it coming from? But the very people who claim to have my truth and your truth

00:18:12.860 and just to be tolerant and loving of everyone, and there is no hell and everyone's just going to end

00:18:17.320 up in the same place. They believe in hell real quick. They become a merciless, a merciless version

00:18:23.180 of Jonathan Edwards when someone that they don't like or someone that they disagree with dies.

00:18:29.440 And as Christians, we just don't have to play that game. I also don't like it when people say that

00:18:34.060 when people who they really like, like a fellow conservative that wasn't a Christian is in heaven.

00:18:40.280 Just because someone you like or someone that you agree with dies doesn't necessarily mean they're

00:18:45.660 in heaven. And just because someone you disagreed with or didn't like dies doesn't mean that they

00:18:49.140 are in hell. Obviously, as Christians, we have an even standard for that.

00:18:53.180 John 14, 6, Jesus says, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except

00:18:58.320 through me. That's the standard. No matter whether that person disagreed with you or not,

00:19:03.300 and that's my hope for all people. That's my prayer for all people. Whether I disagreed with

00:19:07.920 your politics here on earth or not, that is my hope for repentance and for people to know Christ and to

00:19:14.000 be forgiven of their sins, to be given that grace and that eternal salvation. And so as a Christian,

00:19:19.060 we just don't even have to, we don't even have to play that game. If you're a liberal,

00:19:23.620 my encouragement to you, even if you hated him, if you just hated Rush Limbaugh, and I know I've

00:19:29.840 heard some of the stuff that he said, I understand you can hate him. You can think that he is hateful.

00:19:35.020 Understand two things. Number one, speech is not oppression. Like there are things as such things as

00:19:41.680 dangerous ideas that can lead to bad consequences that can be oppressive. But speech itself is not

00:19:47.400 oppressive. When I see people say that Rush Limbaugh harmed them or oppressed people,

00:19:51.880 speech is not oppressive. You know, we've reached peak privilege in society when we are saying that

00:19:57.480 we are harmed by someone's speech. Yes, you can have hurt feelings. Absolutely. And I'm not negating

00:20:02.160 that. You might be justifiably offended by what someone said. What someone said could be wrong.

00:20:07.020 It could be bad. It could be slander. It could be highly offensive and it could be hateful and you can

00:20:11.680 call it out and you can disagree with it and all of that stuff. But to say that it's actually

00:20:15.840 oppressive is to belittle the actual oppression that's going on in the world. A talk radio host,

00:20:23.900 like having an opinion that you are not forced to listen to, that you have never been forced to

00:20:28.960 listen to, is not oppressing you. It's not oppressing any group. Let's look at the oppression

00:20:35.480 throughout the world that is actually happening where human rights, not just privileges, but human

00:20:40.480 rights are being stripped from people on the basis of their religion, on the basis of their gender,

00:20:45.420 on the basis of whether they're in the womb or out of the womb before we say that someone's speech

00:20:52.380 is oppressing us. Okay. That's, that's number one. Number two, if you disagree with someone and you

00:21:00.800 want to bring up all the terrible things that they did, you have every right to do that. And you can do

00:21:06.580 that any day of the week. I would just suggest that maybe like the one day that you don't do that

00:21:12.560 is the day that he dies, like, or that someone dies. Maybe, maybe if you could just take a break

00:21:18.740 for one second, for one second and think about whether you like this person or not, they're a

00:21:24.180 human being. They have family. Like they have, they probably have a spouse, not in Russia's case,

00:21:29.060 but people have kids. They have grandkids. They have brothers and sisters. They have people who

00:21:34.820 love them and you might hate them. And it's so hard for you to imagine them being loved by anyone

00:21:41.440 else. But just for one second, put yourself in their shoes and understand there are people who

00:21:45.720 hate your views too. There are people who really, really don't like you and think you're dangerous

00:21:50.560 and think you're a bigot and think you're on the wrong side of history. Would you want your family

00:21:55.700 seeing other people celebrate your death and saying terrible things about you on the internet

00:22:01.300 in your death? I don't think so. So treat other people how you want to be treated. And I know it's

00:22:06.680 so hard for that to get through to people, to people who believe that everyone who disagrees with

00:22:13.380 them or every conservative or everyone on the right is a Nazi. That is so hard for you to just kind

00:22:18.400 of like grasp in your head. But I'm hoping to be able to break through that. Treat other people how

00:22:23.300 you want to be treated. Loving your neighbor as yourself includes Rush Limbaugh. By the way,

00:22:28.840 if you consider yourself, for example, a progressive Christian, that's still a command that applies

00:22:34.260 to everyone. And so don't celebrate people's death. Number three, I really don't want to take,

00:22:44.660 it's hard for me to take seriously the complaining about Rush Limbaugh's morality

00:22:50.820 from people who excuse every kind of moral atrocity in the book from people who they

00:22:58.860 politically agree with. So if you look at the New York Times, for example, and their various headlines

00:23:04.760 that they have released at the top of obituaries over the years when it comes to brutal dictators,

00:23:13.360 and you compare that to Rush Limbaugh, it's just really hard to take the moral printing seriously.

00:23:18.360 I'll read you some. For example, Fidel Castro, Cuban revolutionary who defied US dies at 90. So

00:23:26.460 that is a hero's goodbye from the New York Times from the guy who jailed and murdered all political

00:23:33.240 dissidents when he was the communist dictator of Cuba and ran Cuba into the ground where they haven't

00:23:39.840 even recovered. Ayatollah Khomeini, 89, the unwavering Iranian spiritual leader, another terrorist that

00:23:49.080 they seem to be glorifying. Hugo Chavez, a polarizing figure who led a movement, again, ran Venezuela into

00:23:56.560 the ground. They still have not recovered, not just thanks to Chavez, but also thanks to Maduro,

00:24:02.200 a brutal communist dictator. Yasser Arafat, father and leader of Palestinian nationalism,

00:24:09.120 dies at 75. Yet again, another terrorist. And yet, when they are talking about Rush Limbaugh and

00:24:19.940 they're paying him tribute for his obituary, here's what they say. Rush Limbaugh, who built talk radio

00:24:28.760 into right-wing attack machine, dies. Mr. Limbaugh, 70, who helped transform the GOP, pushed talk radio

00:24:35.300 to the right with misogynistic and racist language and conspiracy theories. Of course, they also paid

00:24:41.980 tribute to Mao Zedong several years ago or several decades ago, saying that he was the father of the

00:24:48.560 Chinese revolution. Mao Zedong's revolution was responsible for the brutal murder of tens of

00:24:54.280 millions of Chinese people during his reign of terror. It wasn't the actual reign of terror, but it was a

00:24:59.740 reign of terror. And because these people are on the left, because these people are communists, or because

00:25:06.140 these people are non-Western in some cases, they are given these kind of glowing reviews and headlines by the

00:25:13.200 New York Times, and unfortunately by some people on the left, but someone who's said things that they don't like

00:25:18.920 and said things that they deem offensive, well, he is dragged through the mud even on the day of his

00:25:24.280 death. So it's hard for me to listen to this kind of like moral preaching and this self-righteous

00:25:31.160 indignation from people who glorify dictators who are literally, not metaphorically, literally

00:25:38.560 responsible for the murder and the torture of millions of people. So please, just spare me,

00:25:45.700 spare me, these few days surrounding his death, and think about your level of consistency and

00:25:52.960 integrity when it comes to whose death you celebrate and whose death you mourn or whose death you at least

00:25:58.980 gloss over because you agree with their politics. It's really gross. It's really, really gross.

00:26:06.980 All right, that's all I've got on Rush Limbaugh. Now I want to talk about a couple more things while we

00:26:15.200 still have time. I want to talk about this really alarming story that I saw about this pastor in

00:26:23.260 Alberta, Canada named James Coates. He's the pastor of Grace Life Church. He was arrested for holding a

00:26:29.860 church service and for not following COVID rules and is remaining in custody right now. So I'm going to

00:26:36.180 talk to you about that story and analyze what I think about it, especially in light of, for example,

00:26:41.840 Romans 13, because a lot of you have been asking me about it. All right, before we get into this

00:26:50.940 pastor story, there's one, there's actually one more thing I want to say. And this is what I meant

00:26:55.520 to say a few minutes ago, and then I lost my kind of thought about Rush Limbaugh and the whole thing.

00:27:00.420 So it used to make me really sad to think about, wow, that when a conservative dies,

00:27:06.980 there are people who celebrate on the internet about their death. And that makes me really sad.

00:27:13.700 And Rush Limbaugh had actually talked about that, that the hardest part of his job is being hated by

00:27:18.400 the people that he once wanted to like him. And I don't care about people liking me, but thinking

00:27:24.260 about people celebrating something bad happening to me or celebrating something bad happening to people

00:27:30.320 that I really respect, that does really make me sad. And sometimes that really does weigh on me.

00:27:36.980 But I've had to realize that that's going to happen. That's going to happen to people. It's

00:27:41.700 going to continue to happen to people on the right. Because again, it comes from a philosophy.

00:27:47.660 It comes from a belief system. It's not just random hypocrisy or immorality or depravity. It

00:27:53.360 is depravity. It is hypocrisy. It's all of those things. But it comes from that deep-seated belief

00:27:59.540 system that we were talking about. And so unfortunately, we are going to see that probably

00:28:03.320 more and more. And the people whose death is celebrated, it's probably going to move further

00:28:09.320 and further to the center. It's going to end up being people who are just to the right of AOC.

00:28:16.180 Their deaths are going to be celebrated in some way by these terrible left-wing activists. And

00:28:22.120 I think that rather than trying to, I saw someone say, live your life in such a way to where

00:28:27.340 people aren't reminding the world of the hateful things that you said after you die.

00:28:32.860 Well, the only way to do that is to not talk or to be a leftist in every sense of the word. You can

00:28:40.680 say all the hateful things that you want to about unborn babies or about any group that the left

00:28:47.700 doesn't see as worthy, and you'll be perfectly fine. But if you say something that they disagree

00:28:54.180 with, they'll deem that as hateful no matter what. And so they're going to bring it up after

00:28:58.440 something bad happens to you or after you die, and they're going to say, see, this is karma.

00:29:03.340 Do not live your life in such a way as to avoid that. Rather, think about who you want to hate you

00:29:10.100 and who you want to celebrate when that happens. Because the fact of the matter is, is that you're

00:29:16.640 going to have enemies. As Winston Churchill said it, paraphrasing, if you don't have enemies,

00:29:21.080 then you probably haven't done anything. I think it's you have enemies. Good. That means you've done

00:29:26.260 something at some point in your life. You've stood for something at some point in your life.

00:29:31.920 If you stand for something, if you say things that are controversial, if you preach the gospel,

00:29:38.940 if you stand up for the word of God, if you are a Christian and you are outspoken about your faith,

00:29:44.580 there are going to be people who deem you as hateful no matter how many good things that you've done,

00:29:49.060 no matter how many positive, wonderful things that you've said, no matter how much they might agree

00:29:53.200 with you on some things, I guarantee you if you stand for the gospel, I guarantee you if you're just

00:29:57.440 a conservative, people are going to say that you are a hateful person. They are going to celebrate

00:30:03.300 harm and death befalling you. And so do not live your life in such a way that you are scared about

00:30:12.640 that or that you're trying to avoid that because that is a perfect way for Satan to push you into

00:30:18.560 paralysis and to push you into silence. These people, these trolls who celebrate the deaths of

00:30:24.060 those that they disagree with, they don't matter. They don't, they don't matter. They, they just

00:30:28.940 don't like they are revealing more about themselves and their character than anyone that they are

00:30:34.160 condemning than anyone whose death that they are celebrating. Um, and it is, it is evidence of

00:30:41.340 their hard heart and their callousness. And it's going to be a rude awakening. If tragically there

00:30:47.800 is not repentance before their death, you are beholden to God. And remember Romans eight,

00:30:52.760 if God is for us, who can be against us? It is God who justifies who is to condemn Christ. Jesus is

00:30:59.120 the one who died more than that, who was raised to a seated at the right hand of God, who is indeed

00:31:03.380 interceding for us. And so that is our confidence. And that is our hope. And that is why we

00:31:10.300 persevere. And that is why we say the things we do. That's why we believe the things we do. That's

00:31:15.700 why we do the things that we do, knowing that there will be people who call you hateful, no matter

00:31:20.680 what, do not live your life in such a way as to avoid criticism or avoid celebration. When you die

00:31:26.420 from people who hate you, just make sure it's the right people celebrating. Um, and, uh, you can't,

00:31:34.140 you can't worry about that. Please do not, uh, do not avoid saying what is true for the sake of that,

00:31:40.580 because you're not going to be able to avoid it. They will be celebrating. They will come after you.

00:31:45.360 They will cancel you. If you continue to say anything outside of what they don't like,

00:31:50.980 and you can't avoid it. You just can't. Um, so please don't live in fear of that. That's another

00:31:57.060 lesson that I wanted us to learn. And speaking of not living in fear, I want to talk about

00:32:01.020 this particular pastor, James coat, uh, James coats in Alberta, Canada. Um, so he was, like I

00:32:09.900 said, arrested for holding the church service. And I want to give you the full context of everything

00:32:15.400 that happened. So the church did initially this grace life church in Alberta, Canada,

00:32:19.900 they did initially, uh, initially suspend in person gatherings, according to the Alberta government

00:32:26.500 restrictions in March of 2020, but quote, this is from JCC F dot C a, but even in the summer of 2020,

00:32:35.400 it had become apparent congregants of grace life that the government lockdowns cause far more

00:32:40.900 self-imposed harm than the natural harm of COVID stated James kitchen staff lawyer with the justice

00:32:47.240 center who is representing pastor James, uh, coats the congregants of grace life, fear sickness and

00:32:53.460 death less than they fear, uh, government oppression, being isolated from their fellow congregants and

00:32:58.400 disobeying, bane, the God they love and worship. And so they started to open up their church, um,

00:33:05.800 about last summer, I think last spring, summer, and, uh, the government came after them saying,

00:33:12.180 look, you've got to follow all of these restrictions. You can only have 15% of your building capacity.

00:33:17.540 Everyone in attendance must wear a mask. Everyone has to be socially distanced, uh, no matter what.

00:33:24.980 And grace life basically said, look, that makes us almost inoperable to only be able to have 15%

00:33:32.040 of our congregation, be able to meet for every service. That means that we're going to have to

00:33:36.920 turn people away. That means that there are people who want to hear the gospel, who need the encouragement

00:33:41.900 that comes from in-person fellowship, who I actually have to deny and say, no, you can't have that. And

00:33:48.280 he believes that that is against, um, against the call that God has placed on his life of, uh, being

00:33:55.820 an ambassador for Christ by pastoring a church and preaching the gospel from the pulpit. The church

00:34:02.920 leadership released a public statement saying this, we believe people should responsibly return to their

00:34:07.940 lives. Churches should churches should open businesses should open. Families and friends

00:34:11.860 should come together around meals and people should begin to exercise their civil liberties again.

00:34:16.840 Otherwise we may not get them back. In fact, some say we are on the cusp of reaching the point of no

00:34:21.960 return, protect the vulnerable exercise, reasonable precautions, but begin to live your lives. Again,

00:34:27.280 living life comes with risks. Every time we get behind the wheel of a car, we are assuming a degree of

00:34:31.940 risk. We accept that risk due to the benefits of driving. Yes. Though vastly overblown,

00:34:36.160 there are associated risks with COVID as there are with other infections, human life, though

00:34:41.120 precious is fragile as such death looms over all of us. That is why we need a message of hope. So a

00:34:46.720 lot of people obviously are very angry about that. The truth is, is that in Alberta and in Canada in

00:34:54.340 general, but especially in this area of Canada, the COVID infection rate is very low. Hospitalization

00:34:59.220 rate is very low. The ICU rate is very, very low. And so it did seem like the risk in general of

00:35:06.080 congregating was low. And this church just didn't want to have to turn people away who wanted to

00:35:11.660 hear the gospel and who wanted to obey the command of Hebrews 10, which is to meet together and to

00:35:19.140 not neglect meeting together. It says, as is the habit of some, as we see the day drawing near,

00:35:25.280 more restrictions were imposed in November and December in Alberta through the orders of the chief

00:35:30.080 medical officer of health, Dr. Dina Hinshaw, saying that churches could only gather again, like,

00:35:36.080 I said, at 15% of their building capacity and that everyone in attendance must wear masks

00:35:40.060 and be socially, um, uh, being socially distanced. The justice center who represents, uh, James

00:35:49.080 Coates reports that quote, each Sunday morning during the worship service and Alberta health

00:35:53.100 services inspector, often accompanied by law enforcement demanded to enter the building. Um,

00:35:59.780 December 17th of 2020, an AHS inspector issued an order against the church. January 21st in 2021,

00:36:08.640 AHS filed a court application to enforce the December 17th order and to be given the power to

00:36:14.560 throw Pastor Coates in jail if he continued to lead Grace Life in normal worship services.

00:36:19.500 The church and Pastor Coates continue to exercise their constitutional freedoms to gather normally

00:36:24.000 for in-person worship services. Um, January 29th, 2021, AHS issued a closure order to close the church

00:36:32.720 down to prevent any attendees from gathering for in-person services at all. So that was at the end

00:36:37.560 of January. They decided they wanted to punish the church by closing them down completely.

00:36:41.920 February 7th, 2021, Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers met with Pastor Coates telling him he was

00:36:48.320 under arrest and to stop breaching orders. Pastor Coates refused to stop. The officers left without

00:36:53.100 arresting him February 14th, 2021. An AHS inspector was present at the worship service. They reported

00:37:01.940 the activities and the RCMP told Pastor Coates he would be arrested on Tuesday, February 16th. And Pastor

00:37:09.600 Coates did turn himself in to the police and now he is in prison. His wife has been, uh, posting updates

00:37:17.720 and apparently he is able to get out of prison, but he has to agree to not pastor and to not preach

00:37:25.020 anymore. And he's not going to do that. At this point, I don't even think it's an option for him

00:37:30.260 to just be able to comply. I'm pretty sure that they want to shut his church down, um, unless he is,

00:37:35.840 uh, willing to no longer preach and he's just not going to do that. And so people who are bringing up

00:37:41.180 Romans 13, which says that we are supposed to submit to, um, institutions and the government

00:37:48.000 was set up by God. I was just reading in first Peter, how, uh, we are supposed to submit to

00:37:55.740 authorities, even the imperfect authorities, even the authorities that we may not like. But of course,

00:38:01.840 we understand in context of all of scripture that that means in so far as we do not have to disobey

00:38:09.300 God. Um, so Romans 13, let every person be subject to the governing authorities for there is no

00:38:15.080 authority except from God. And those that exist have been instituted by God. So I think that verse

00:38:20.080 alone kind of tells us what, what we need to know in all of this is that, yes, we are supposed to

00:38:26.680 submit to governing authorities, but the authority that they have comes from God. And so if they break

00:38:32.360 God's law or they call God's law, then we appeal to a higher authority than them where their authority

00:38:38.240 is derived from, which is God himself. And, um, if God tells us, for example,

00:38:47.500 one another in Hebrews 10, um, and he tells us that we are supposed to gather together and we know

00:38:56.400 that there is something special about in-person fellowship and congregation. And, uh, you could

00:39:02.360 see how a pastor and a church would say, look, I I've got, I've got to meet together. I've got to

00:39:09.080 obey the Lord rather than man. And he, they're not violent. They're not forcing people to go to their

00:39:15.500 church. They're not saying that, Hey, we're not going to take any precautions whatsoever, or we

00:39:20.420 believe that this is a fake virus. They're not saying that they're not saying that they don't care for

00:39:24.480 the elderly or the vulnerable. They were saying actually, okay, if the hospitals get overwhelmed,

00:39:29.440 if something happens and you know, this sickness blows up even more than it has, then we will make

00:39:35.140 sure to help out. And we will make sure that you have all the volunteer services that you could

00:39:39.920 possibly need. If that happened in the government, of course, um, of course said no. So let me read

00:39:48.040 you Hebrews 10, 24, and let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting

00:39:53.520 to meet together as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another. And all the more as you see the day,

00:39:59.360 drawing near. So people who don't understand the importance of meeting together in person, people who

00:40:04.680 don't, um, understand that there's a difference between watching a sermon online and actually meeting

00:40:10.000 bodily with the body of believers. I just wonder, I wonder if you understand what church is. Like, I wonder

00:40:18.480 if you really understand what corporate worship actually does and how it actually works. Yes, it's true. You can

00:40:26.660 worship anywhere. Yes, you can pray to God anywhere. That is true. You don't have to be in a pew to

00:40:32.060 worship God. You don't have to be in a pew to hear the gospel and to be refreshed by the word of God.

00:40:37.280 But there is something valuable about gathering with the body of believers and the government should

00:40:43.160 not be infringing upon that right. They don't have the same rights in Canada as they do in the United

00:40:49.240 States. Yes, that is true. But unfortunately, like we don't even have, we haven't even been able to

00:40:56.200 exercise that full freedom everywhere in the United States, even having the guarantee of the first

00:41:00.700 amendment. And the fact that there are liberals here who don't understand that that's a fundamental

00:41:04.540 right for a reason that doesn't take a break during a virus, which I have told you guys, I take

00:41:10.640 seriously and have exercised every precaution possible and encourage other people to as well.

00:41:16.160 The fact of the matter is, even in the seriousness of a virus that kills people, because this does

00:41:22.420 kill people, the Constitution here in the United States doesn't take a break. And I do believe that

00:41:29.440 this pastor in saying, look, I'm not going to turn people away from my church to try to meet these

00:41:34.580 arbitrary restrictions. I'm not going to stop preaching the gospel. I do believe that he is standing

00:41:40.160 firm on what God has called him to do. And I understand there's going to be people who disagree with me.

00:41:46.040 I tried to give you all the context possible in all of that. And it just confuses me to see Christians

00:41:52.780 to see Christians saying, oh, this is just embarrassing. Like he doesn't, he's trying to

00:41:58.460 make himself a martyr. Really? Like, and you think that you're going to stand firm when real persecution

00:42:04.120 comes here? Like you're rolling your eyes and you're laughing at this pastor who refuses to stop

00:42:10.560 preaching the gospel under threat of imprisonment. And you think that you're going to be the one to

00:42:16.460 stand firm when they come knocking at your door? You think that you're going to stand firm in the

00:42:21.460 gospel when persecution comes your way? Are you just going to keep laughing at people who are actually

00:42:26.940 enduring it? There's no way. I'm sorry. There's no way. You need to take a really good assessment of

00:42:33.060 your faith and where you actually stand. If you look at a situation like this and you roll your eyes,

00:42:38.500 or you just ignore it, or you think it's not that big of a deal. And you think that when

00:42:42.760 temptation, the flea comes your way, that you'll actually stand firm. I'm not so sure about that.

00:42:48.240 Let us all humble ourselves and ask ourselves, honestly, what we would do in that kind of

00:42:53.020 situation and ask for the Holy Spirit to reveal that to us and to bring us to a place of humility and

00:42:58.640 a place of total dependence on God and wisdom and discernment to know what to do

00:43:02.940 in these kinds of situations and to trust Him with all of our heart, mind, soul, and strength.

00:43:18.020 All right, so I just wanted to leave you with a little bit of encouragement because I know that

00:43:21.860 you hear that story of the pastor in Alberta. And we've been seeing in the news a lot recently

00:43:27.600 a connection between evangelical Christianity and the perpetuation of violence. Bill Maher did this

00:43:34.800 whole segment on his show about how Christianity is to blame for the riots at the Capitol. And I've

00:43:42.520 seen various progressive Unitarians that I think still identify as Christians saying that the belief

00:43:50.060 that the Bible is God's word or the Bible is inerrant or belief in John 14, 6, or belief that we are

00:43:56.960 sinners in need of a Savior, that that actually leads to terrorism, that leads to violence, that

00:44:01.900 Christians are violent people perpetuating violence. I told you guys about Lila Rose, the pro-life

00:44:08.220 activist who said that, you know, abortion is violence. And then there was an abortionist who

00:44:12.960 quote tweeted her and said that her statement was violence or her statement incited domestic terrorism.

00:44:20.640 So just saying things that are true, representing things that are true, they are now being

00:44:25.120 categorized as inciting violence or even acts of violence. Someone told me that I am inciting

00:44:32.760 violence and that I have blood on my hands because of the show. And that kind of rhetoric is very

00:44:38.600 frightening. First, I think it shows, like I said, the peak of privilege that we have reached in a

00:44:43.320 society where people think that someone having a different opinion than you is not just hateful,

00:44:47.760 but actually oppressive and is actually inciting violence. Look, it's not inciting violence unless

00:44:54.220 it is actually asking for violence. And if you want to keep on changing that standard, I promise you

00:45:00.040 that you are going to eventually not meet that standard. There is there's a hate speech law in

00:45:05.080 Germany, for example, that prohibits hate speech can be prosecuted for saying something that

00:45:10.440 someone considers hateful. And there was this anti-Semitic cartoon that was going around.

00:45:16.220 And there was a politician, someone of influence in Germany who shared the cartoon in dismay,

00:45:22.540 in disapproval, saying, you know, this is a cartoon. This anti-Semitic cartoon is being

00:45:27.280 shared around. This is so awful, so terrible. That person who shared it in disapproval was actually

00:45:32.640 prosecuted under Germany's hate speech law. So just understand if you are someone who is against

00:45:39.720 free speech because you believe that certain speech shouldn't be allowed, you're going to be on the

00:45:45.420 wrong side of that eventually. I mean, Americans used to be smart enough to understand that kind of

00:45:51.220 thing. We used to be able to kind of put the shoe on the other foot and to be able to say, OK, just

00:45:56.400 because I don't like something doesn't mean it should be illegal. But unfortunately, it seems like

00:46:00.920 we've gotten past that. We have so dumbed down the American populace and so created a loathing

00:46:07.680 and resentment for American values like free speech that unfortunately people aren't able

00:46:12.300 to aren't able to realize that anymore. And so I know that can be discouraging. That could be very

00:46:19.420 scary for a lot of people. And like we were saying earlier, that can even encourage you not to share

00:46:25.320 the gospel or not to say things that you know are true, like men or men and women or women in life

00:46:29.660 starts in the womb and is valuable. And babies in the womb are humans and therefore

00:46:35.160 are deserving of human rights. It can be very scary to say those things because you don't want

00:46:41.060 to be canceled. You don't want people to wish bad things on you. You don't want to get mean

00:46:45.460 messages. You don't want to be categorized as someone who is inciting violence, even though you're not

00:46:49.680 inciting violence. And so you start to self-censor. You start to not share things or not say that you

00:46:56.400 agree with someone that you really agree with. You start to say things that you don't even really

00:47:00.380 believe, or you start to soften your stance or caveat your beliefs, or you start to go along

00:47:06.860 with people who don't believe in the Bible and their definitions of what justice is or morality

00:47:11.560 is, right and wrong is, true and false is, because you're just hoping to insulate yourself from

00:47:18.140 criticism and cancellation. Number one, let me tell you that it's not going to work. You're not going

00:47:22.720 to be able to hide for long. The only way that you may be able to avoid cancellation is if you renounce

00:47:28.380 your faith completely. If you just say, if you become the type of so-called Christian, which is

00:47:34.540 not a Christian at all, that says, sure, I'm a Christian, I believe in God, but I believe all

00:47:38.220 religions are fine, and I actually believe that Christianity has caused a lot of harm, and there

00:47:44.460 is nothing morally distinguishable between me and any atheist if you agree with them on everything

00:47:51.600 politically, agree with them on everything sexually, agree with progressives on everything

00:47:56.660 ideologically, but you still say, yeah, sure, I believe in some vague notion of God, then you

00:48:01.920 might be okay for a little bit. If you become a moral relativist, if you harden your heart and make

00:48:06.840 your brain a bowl of oatmeal, then yes, you may be able to avoid cancellation for a little bit, but at

00:48:13.480 what cost? At the cost to your soul, at the cost to your legacy, at the cost to your kids' remembrance

00:48:22.000 of you, at the cost to your country, it's not worth it. It's not worth avoiding individual

00:48:29.440 cancellation or criticism or pushback or persecution at the expense of the gospel, at the expense of the

00:48:42.280 country. It's just, it's not worth it. And actually, it's much more difficult to cancel a whole group of

00:48:48.720 people who says, yep, this is what I believe, who says, yep, I agree with that now controversial

00:48:54.340 statement. Yep, I do believe that the Bible is the Word of God. Yes, I do believe that Jesus is the way,

00:48:59.360 the truth, and the life, and that no one comes to the Father except through Him. Yes, I do believe that

00:49:03.860 we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and that we, by grace through faith, can have

00:49:09.600 salvation in Him and live with Him forever. Yes, I do believe those things. Yes, it is the love of

00:49:15.420 Christ that compels me to do good for my neighbor. And no, love doesn't mean that I agree with everyone's

00:49:20.700 lifestyle. I agree with God's definition of male and female. I agree with God's definition of holy

00:49:27.840 sexuality. Yes, it's controversial to say those things. It's controversial to say, you know what,

00:49:35.000 I actually don't agree with this worldly definition of social justice. I actually don't agree with the

00:49:40.440 categories of critical race theory of oppressor versus oppression based on race. I actually think

00:49:47.940 that that's ungodly and that it's untruthful and that it doesn't take into account real history and

00:49:54.600 real facts. All of those things are very controversial. Of course, of course, you're going to be castigated.

00:50:00.240 Of course, you're going to be pushed to the margins. But listen to this. Truth tellers are always pushed

00:50:05.280 to the margins. They always are. The church in particular is always pushed to the margins and

00:50:10.840 the church does not die there. The church thrives there. So it's actually a joyous and wonderful thing

00:50:17.560 that the church is being pushed to the mainstream, that the vine is being pruned, that the chaff is being

00:50:26.180 thrown out, that nominal Christians are realizing that it's no longer beneficial for them to pretend

00:50:33.300 to be Christians anymore, that people who don't really believe that Jesus is Lord are now realizing

00:50:41.160 that it serves them much better to just be agnostics or just be atheists. All of this eternally in the long

00:50:48.440 run is a very good thing. Nominal Christians aren't going to be able to hide anymore because it's no longer

00:50:54.160 going to be convenient or safe or comfortable to be a Christian. And so the only people that will be

00:50:59.120 Christians are the people who have actually counted the cost. And that is how it should be. The church

00:51:03.360 has gone through cycles like this for our entire human existence. And we're still here and we're still

00:51:08.480 standing. And so praise God that he sees our generation as a generation to be able to push back against this

00:51:14.920 craziness. Like praise God that he didn't put our generation at any other time in history except for this one.

00:51:20.980 In his providence, he has raised up the exact people that he wants to raise up to be able to

00:51:26.780 continue to preach the gospel amidst the chaos and the confusion that we're seeing in the world today.

00:51:32.420 He did that purposefully. You're not placed here arbitrarily. You're not placed here accidentally.

00:51:37.620 He didn't get your birthday wrong. You're not here by happenstance. You're here with purpose. If you

00:51:42.660 are a Christian who believes in the gospel and who has a biblical worldview of all of these crazy

00:51:47.860 issues that we're now being told are up in the air and up for debate now, then you were called here

00:51:56.080 for such a time as this. And it's not to back down and to fit in. It is to kindly and lovingly and

00:52:03.520 compassionately be an ambassador for Christ by preaching the gospel, by believing the gospel,

00:52:07.980 by refusing to believe or tell lies, by serving and loving your neighbor, continuing the Christian

00:52:13.040 tradition of making the lives of those around us better. They can say all you want to, that the

00:52:20.460 gospel has compelled people to violence. The fact of the matter is the violence has compelled people,

00:52:25.140 Christians, to do more good than any other group or any kind of person around the world by far.

00:52:32.520 And we don't take credit for that, but Christ certainly does. The Holy Spirit certainly does.

00:52:37.400 All right. So leave here feeling motivated, go into your weekend, feeling encouraged and know that

00:52:43.660 you have been called for such a time as this to influence the small or large spheres of influence

00:52:51.560 in which God has providentially and purposely placed you. All right. I will see you back here on Monday.

00:53:07.400 I will see you back here on Monday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - February 18, 2021

Ep 372 ｜ Canadian Pastor Jailed & Lessons from Limbaugh

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