Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 376 ｜ How the Equality Act Opposes Science & Faith ｜ Guest： Lila Rose

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.

00:00:10.760 Happy Thursday.

00:00:12.300 Man, we have a really awesome episode for you today because I have a really wonderful

00:00:16.760 guest, Lila Rose of Live Action.

00:00:19.760 She is a pro-life activist.

00:00:21.140 She has been in the fight against abortion and for loving both babies in the womb and

00:00:27.100 their mothers for many years in a way that she has been a pioneer for this movement,

00:00:32.080 especially for young Christians.

00:00:34.280 And I'm just continually proud of her and impressed by her and thankful for the wisdom

00:00:39.240 and the insight and the leadership that she gives in this area.

00:00:42.080 Today, we are going to talk about the Equality Act.

00:00:45.660 We've talked about that multiple times on this podcast.

00:00:48.400 I'll link at least two past episodes that we've done on the Equality Act in the description

00:00:53.860 of this podcast.

00:00:54.960 But we're going to talk about how it relates to abortion, how it relates to pro-life, the

00:01:02.500 pro-life industry and the pro-life movement, pro-life organizations, charities, religious

00:01:08.360 doctors, and the implications, the very frightening implications that this has for abortion.

00:01:15.100 And then we're also going to talk about what this means in the way of protections for girls

00:01:21.240 and women. 0.98

00:01:21.980 I really want to get into a lot of different details about this, but I don't think that

00:01:28.020 we're going to have time to get into all of the nooks and crannies, the legal nooks and

00:01:32.680 crannies of the act today, because there's so much.

00:01:36.080 And actually, Lila sheds a lot of light into what this act means in a variety of areas, not

00:01:43.620 just for people of faith, but just for Americans in general.

00:01:46.580 So this is a crucial episode for you to know what's going on, to know why this piece of

00:01:52.180 legislation matters, to know why it's not going away, and to resolve right now to stand up

00:01:58.080 against the craziness that you are about to that you're about to hear about.

00:02:03.860 After I have this conversation with Lila, I am going to give you a monologue about evangelicals 1.00

00:02:14.800 who voted for Joe Biden, because looking at some of the organizations and the people who

00:02:21.120 for the past few months, for the past few years, have been talking about what an absolutely terrible

00:02:27.480 choice Donald Trump was, and how it is a vote for decency, a vote for moderation, a vote for

00:02:32.900 kindness and love to vote for Joe Biden, even from the Christian perspective.

00:02:37.120 To see some of these people now complain about or sound the alarm about the dangers of the

00:02:44.120 Equality Act really has me frustrated in a lot of ways, because we have been talking about this

00:02:50.620 for several years, Christian conservatives have.

00:02:53.200 We have talked about what a threat this is to not just religious liberty, but to vulnerable

00:02:57.580 communities and vulnerable people, especially women and babies in the womb for a very long time.

00:03:03.920 And the reaction that we got from Christians who decided that they were going to vote Democrat

00:03:09.640 in the past election was basically an eye roll, or basically, yeah, we know that's bad,

00:03:15.920 but look, Trump is even worse.

00:03:17.360 These tweets are even worse.

00:03:18.580 The things that he said, these headlines, his personality is even worse than this assault

00:03:26.440 on religious liberty.

00:03:27.780 It's even worse than taxpayer-funded abortion. 0.98

00:03:32.140 And so we're not going to talk about the Equality Act right now.

00:03:36.380 We're going to focus on how bad Trump is, and then we're just going to continue to push people

00:03:41.180 implicitly or explicitly to vote for Joe Biden.

00:03:44.100 And I've been watching that happen over the past few years, and only now those same people

00:03:49.460 are sounding the alarm about the Equality Act.

00:03:52.880 I have a lot of frustration surrounding that.

00:03:55.160 And so I'm going to kind of vent that frustration just a little bit.

00:04:00.480 But I'm going to end, of course, with love, because that's what it is.

00:04:06.520 It is tough love.

00:04:07.560 The monologue that I'm going to give is tough love towards my fellow Christians, who I believe

00:04:14.740 made a bad choice when it comes to voting for Democrats, not just when it comes to Joe

00:04:20.800 Biden, but also when it comes to the congressional votes as well.

00:04:25.260 And so that's what you can look forward to after my conversation with Lila Rose.

00:04:37.560 Lila, thank you so much for joining me.

00:04:42.960 Can you first talk about Xavier Becerra, this HHS secretary pick, who he is and what he represents

00:04:50.800 in the way of abortion? 0.98

00:04:55.060 Yes.

00:04:55.600 Great question.

00:04:56.460 So it's a big deal what's happened with recommending Xavier Becerra to be the Secretary of Health

00:05:03.300 and Human Services.

00:05:04.120 First of all, he's a lawyer, an attorney.

00:05:06.060 He has no medical background whatsoever.

00:05:07.800 So he's holding one of the highest positions for health in the country.

00:05:12.140 But most seriously, he has been one of the most extreme pro-abortion activist politicians

00:05:18.320 we've had in, I think, history, certainly in California.

00:05:22.200 When he was the attorney general here, he was the one who actually levied criminal charges

00:05:28.240 against David Delighted and Sandra Merritt, two friends of mine, because of their undercover

00:05:33.180 journalism of Planned Parenthood, exposing them willing to sell baby body parts.

00:05:38.680 And this is instead of going after Planned Parenthood and working to investigate what their misdeeds

00:05:44.840 are, he went after investigative reporters.

00:05:47.380 Now, this was especially serious because other journalists have never been prosecuted in the

00:05:52.900 state of California for undercover journalism.

00:05:54.620 So this happens regularly.

00:05:55.860 You know, you've had other news groups in California go undercover to expose, you know,

00:06:00.620 illegal marijuana or to expose factory farms.

00:06:03.600 But that has never happened where they've never been actually prosecuted the way that pro-life

00:06:09.320 journalists have.

00:06:09.960 So the double standard is egregious.

00:06:11.360 It was clearly a political prosecution.

00:06:12.980 And it's still ongoing here in California.

00:06:15.460 He also, as attorney general, required or worked to demand that pregnancy care centers,

00:06:22.740 so pro-life pregnancy centers, had to list abortion notices in their facilities or undergo

00:06:28.780 tremendous fines.

00:06:30.580 So he was trying to force, in the name of a choice, of course, trying to force pregnancy 0.97

00:06:36.040 centers to actually list abortion notices in their centers to effectively make them advertisements

00:06:41.240 for, make them market abortion. 0.81

00:06:44.460 So he has been, on multiple counts, extremely pro-abortion.

00:06:48.340 And I think we can look at the current Biden administration.

00:06:51.860 I mean, Kamala Harris is our VP, as you know.

00:06:54.620 She was actually the one who, before Attorney General Becerra, you know, before Becerra became

00:06:59.320 Attorney General of California, she was Attorney General.

00:07:02.000 And she handed off her seat to Becerra. 0.99

00:07:04.400 And when she was Attorney General, she was the one who sent state agents to raid David DeLighton's

00:07:09.780 house as a pro-life journalist, his apartment.

00:07:12.040 And she was the one who actually started those proceedings.

00:07:14.300 And Becerra, when he became AG, he continued them.

00:07:17.260 So the combination of these California politicians, Kamala Harris as vice president, and now Xavier

00:07:23.760 Becerra being appointed to Secretary of Health and Human Services is really a potentially not

00:07:31.400 just lethal one for pre-born children and the policies that they would push, but it's trying

00:07:35.300 to, they actually are using the force of law to penalize pro-life activism and pro-life

00:07:41.140 reporting so that those who are even trying to protest or stand up against the abortion

00:07:46.840 industry at large in our country will now face prosecution and persecution.

00:07:51.960 It's a, it's a huge concern.

00:07:53.800 And, um, you know, we, we, this shows the extremism, of course, of the Biden administration on abortion.

00:07:59.560 And you can tell he's a very deft politician because when he has been questioned over the

00:08:03.960 past couple of days, trying to kind of pin him on where he actually lands on abortion restrictions

00:08:09.660 and abortion in general, he's very good at kind of avoiding those questions.

00:08:14.160 Senator Mitt Romney asked him why he voted against a ban on partial birth abortion.

00:08:19.400 And he kind of just said, you know, people have different convictions about that.

00:08:22.940 Uh, they have different beliefs about that.

00:08:24.820 And then you saw the pro-abortion lobby saying, well, you know, partial birth abortion, that's

00:08:29.760 not a real thing.

00:08:30.780 That's not something that happened.

00:08:32.180 So that question is irrelevant anyway.

00:08:34.960 Is that question irrelevant?

00:08:37.300 Well, of course it's not, you know, partial late, very late-term abortions happening in our

00:08:40.940 country by the, by the tens of thousands.

00:08:42.940 And, um, Becerra, you know, definitely was very, uh, squishy in his response.

00:08:50.160 He was not willing to actually respond to Romney's line of questioning.

00:08:53.960 Um, he didn't have a good response because he promotes and he supports partial birth abortion,

00:08:58.180 but he wouldn't admit it.

00:08:59.100 I mean, that's the part that's so, um, you know, deceptive.

00:09:02.300 He's, he's for these things.

00:09:03.700 It's clear his record as a legislator before becoming attorney general in California, when

00:09:08.080 he was in the legislature, um, when he was, uh, in, in the representative, his record is

00:09:14.480 clear on this, but at the same time, he's refusing to even acknowledge it.

00:09:19.040 Um, another line of questioning that was very powerful with Senator Ben Sasse, uh, interviewing

00:09:24.100 him, um, interrogating him really about his role in using, you know, his position to go

00:09:31.400 after the nuns, um, to try to go basically to fight a federal law that would protect nuns

00:09:37.440 from having to give out contraception.

00:09:39.800 And this is that famous case where the little sisters of the poor were being required to

00:09:43.640 potentially required to give out contraceptive, including a board of patients.

00:09:47.440 And he was the one who was leading the charge against them.

00:09:50.400 So when Senator Sasse was saying, why were you going after nuns repeatedly?

00:09:54.380 I'm in this line of questioning.

00:09:56.000 Um, the Sarah would respond by saying, oh, it's not about nuns.

00:09:59.700 It's about rule of law.

00:10:00.820 I mean, he would continuously try to avoid, uh, admitting and acknowledging his extreme bias,

00:10:07.000 not just for abortion, but as a bias against those that stand against abortion, whether

00:10:11.300 it's David the Lydon, Sandra Merritt, or nuns who have nothing to do with contraception

00:10:15.680 and oppose abortion.

00:10:16.500 So it's a, it's an all around terrible pick and it would be frightening to see what he would

00:10:22.980 do as our secretary of health and human services and what that would mean for not just pre-born

00:10:28.900 children who are already being killed by the thousands each day, but for the activists and

00:10:33.800 the advocates and even the business owners or the nonprofits who are standing up for them.

00:10:39.100 So tell me what you think the implications or consequences would be to have him as, as

00:10:44.560 the secretary of health and human services.

00:10:46.260 He doesn't have a background in health or healthcare at all.

00:10:49.540 Like you said, he was attorney general of California.

00:10:53.040 So the politician, yes.

00:10:55.020 So what would his role be?

00:10:56.280 And how do you think that would actually affect abortion and abortion policy and pro-life

00:11:01.300 centers and Catholic charities, Christian, you know, other kinds of Christian charities?

00:11:06.420 How do you think that would, that would influence what's going on in the abortion industry and

00:11:11.560 in the pro-life industry?

00:11:13.500 Well, first of all, we know that anything that was done in the last four years under president

00:11:17.860 Trump will be undone.

00:11:19.140 Some of it already is undone.

00:11:20.500 So there was a ban on title 10 funding to go to abortion providers.

00:11:25.240 So that, that is going to be undone.

00:11:27.820 Um, obviously there's things like the Mexico city policy that was already undone by executive

00:11:31.600 order, reversed by executive order.

00:11:33.460 So now taxpayer funding goes towards abortion overseas.

00:11:36.260 But what I think he could do is, I mean, really the, the bureaucracy or the, the, the legal

00:11:43.500 lease that, um, runs a lot of federal programs and the money that runs through those federal

00:11:49.200 programs, I can see him, uh, tremendous, really favoring abortion chains and especially abortion

00:11:56.220 chain, Planned Parenthood and using his department to fund them even more.

00:12:02.040 So right now, Planned Parenthood receives over half of a billion in taxpayer dollars from the

00:12:06.700 federal government.

00:12:08.060 I think under Becerra, he will not only remove any restrictions to them, but he's going to use

00:12:13.640 whatever he can on the administration side to allow taxpayer funding for abortion.

00:12:19.760 Now, technically the Hyde amendment prevents that.

00:12:22.060 Um, that's something that president Biden has said he wanted, wants to undo.

00:12:25.320 He flip-flopped on that.

00:12:26.260 He wants to basically make it so that federal money can directly reimburse for abortion,

00:12:30.540 but there's a lot of other ways you can help fund abortion besides directly reimbursing.

00:12:35.140 Um, you can fund Planned Parenthood, other services.

00:12:38.320 You can promote Planned Parenthood's other services.

00:12:40.860 You can favor them and in forms of Medicaid distribution, the, the, the distribution of

00:12:46.560 Medicaid money.

00:12:47.140 So I think we can anticipate that a lot of the favoritism for federal money for who gets

00:12:53.740 it will be, will go to Planned Parenthood.

00:12:56.220 He's demonstrated favoritism to them already, um, by going after pro-life reporters.

00:13:01.600 And I think we can expect to see more of that.

00:13:03.880 Here's the problem, Allie.

00:13:04.800 It's very difficult to track some of this stuff, um, because there is so much, uh, regulation

00:13:10.700 around different elements of, you know, federal funding of healthcare.

00:13:14.800 And because of Obamacare, there's so much leeway right now for health and human services.

00:13:20.240 That's the problem with big government.

00:13:21.360 There's so much space for him to sort of play, um, with existing laws that have been passed.

00:13:26.360 And his job is to, of course, administer them.

00:13:29.100 So anything to do with healthcare.

00:13:30.600 So I, I, you know, the sky's the limit for him in his role.

00:13:34.740 And the problem is we don't have a Congress that can check his power right now.

00:13:38.240 It's certainly not a president.

00:13:39.320 So it's, it's a, it's a, it, it, it, it's a very serious problem.

00:13:45.080 From a faith perspective, I think, I think Xavier Becerra identifies as a Catholic.

00:13:50.560 He said something about his mother praying the rosary.

00:13:53.140 We know Joe Biden identifies as a Catholic, Kamala Harris identifies as a Baptist.

00:13:58.700 So these are all people who profess to be Christians and yet are very adamantly pro-abortion.

00:14:05.280 Does that trouble you in particular as a Catholic woman of faith?

00:14:11.780 Um, I mean, it's like, yeah, yeah, it absolutely does.

00:14:15.600 It's, it's, um, a really, uh, in, in, in many ways, the worst kind of lie to use the faith

00:14:22.540 of Jesus Christ, the religion of Jesus Christ, um, to justify the killing, your promotion of 0.90

00:14:29.220 the killing of pre-born children.

00:14:31.240 And that's what the president is doing, President Biden.

00:14:34.400 That's what, um, Pelosi has done for decades.

00:14:37.360 And that's what now Becerra, I think is doing by referencing his faith in a political context.

00:14:42.720 He's saying that his so-called faith, I should say.

00:14:45.300 I mean, I, I think that there is a crisis in the church, in the Western church of catechesis.

00:14:51.500 So there's a lot of, uh, a challenge with properly educating people on what Christianity

00:14:56.980 even teaches, but they should know better.

00:14:59.880 I mean, it's pretty clear that God says thou shalt not kill, um, abortion kills and Jesus 1.00

00:15:05.500 Christ gave his life for us instead of taking lives.

00:15:08.720 I mean, that was the example he, he said, and he said that no, any man, no man has any

00:15:13.060 greater love than this, that he'd lay down his life for a friend.

00:15:15.780 Um, abortion is the antithesis of the example that Christ set.

00:15:19.760 So there's no excuse.

00:15:21.600 And I think it needs to be called out.

00:15:23.700 And the, one of the greatest shames is when it's not called out by leaders in the church.

00:15:27.300 Um, so that's why I think people like, I'm grateful for you, Allie, and your voice.

00:15:30.840 I think we need to continue to call this out because they're trying to normalize, uh, this idea 0.66

00:15:35.940 that you can be Christian and support killing children. 1.00

00:15:38.920 And if you repeat a lie enough times, it's easy to accept it and just move on with your 0.98

00:15:43.740 life because continually fighting the battle, um, just takes grit and it can be tiring, but

00:15:49.000 we have to keep fighting the battle and say, this is a lie.

00:15:51.860 And it's a lie that costs the lives of millions of people.

00:15:55.760 Yes.

00:15:55.820 And you do that so well, pushing back on those lies.

00:15:58.520 Uh, can we talk about something else that is, uh, very confusing for a lot of people

00:16:03.540 and that is the Equality Act and what it actually, uh, has to do with abortion.

00:16:09.280 Most people don't know that the Equality Act has anything to do with abortion, but it actually

00:16:13.160 does, right?

00:16:14.880 Yes.

00:16:15.440 Well, first of all, it's, it's so, again, the lie using lies to cover what they're doing.

00:16:21.260 It's the Equality Act.

00:16:22.740 It's the farthest thing from equality.

00:16:24.520 It's actually enshrining discrimination, um, in our law and forcing discrimination in our

00:16:31.380 law.

00:16:31.660 And, and the two biggest victims of that discrimination, the biggest one is pre-born

00:16:35.140 children.

00:16:35.660 I'll explain that in a minute.

00:16:36.580 But the second biggest one are women because now women have been erased. 1.00

00:16:41.040 Basically the law says that, um, you're, you're, you're a female or you're, you're basically 0.98

00:16:45.780 the gender that you decide or that you identify with the stereotypes of it and your biological,

00:16:51.640 your body doesn't matter anymore.

00:16:54.400 So if you're a woman and you're, you know, on a sports team or you're a woman and you're

00:16:57.580 in locker room and you're a man who says, I identify as a woman, all of a sudden you

00:17:01.520 have, you get to be in all those places.

00:17:03.580 And the fact that you can never get pregnant, you don't menstruate, you actually aren't a 1.00

00:17:07.540 woman.

00:17:07.720 Those facts don't matter anymore.

00:17:09.680 Um, but pre-born children are also at huge risk with this piece of legislation.

00:17:13.780 And that's because again, the devil's in the details, the way that they, uh, include.

00:17:18.740 And so, you know, the idea of making, um, sexual orientation or gender identity, the same

00:17:23.500 as sex, which is the same as, um, race, which is an immutable characteristic.

00:17:28.420 So now people's opinions about themselves, um, are now an immutable characteristic that gets

00:17:34.020 federal protection, um, which means you get to decide, you know, again, you can go in a

00:17:38.460 woman's locker room when you're a man, but it also talks about pregnancy and it talks 1.00

00:17:42.420 about, um, pregnancy as a medical condition, which is actually a kind of a code word for

00:17:47.780 to include abortion because in, in laws passed, it has included, um, abortion covering abortion,

00:17:53.120 because if you are pregnant and you have a medical condition, abortion would be a medical 0.99

00:17:57.320 treatment for that quote unquote condition.

00:17:59.940 And so what this means is that now if a woman is seeking an abortion, if she's, or if she's

00:18:04.800 being pressured into abortion, whatever the case is, and you are a doctor or a nurse,

00:18:08.460 it is now like being a racist to refuse to, uh, commit her abortion.

00:18:15.120 So now it's the same for a doctor.

00:18:17.480 If a person of color came into their waiting room and they said, I'm not going to serve 1.00

00:18:21.000 you. 0.66

00:18:21.220 I'm a racist. 0.99

00:18:21.800 I'm not going to serve you.

00:18:22.560 That would be discrimination.

00:18:23.480 It would be unlawful.

00:18:24.560 It would be just as unlawful in the same category as racism for someone to come into your

00:18:29.720 Christian doctor's office and say, I want an abortion from you. 1.00

00:18:32.400 And for him to say, I do not, I cannot do an abortion for you.

00:18:35.600 So this is a severe attack on not just religious liberty, because obviously people of faith

00:18:41.820 should be pro-life, but on anybody.

00:18:44.380 You're now saying that if you are a medical provider, you are required to commit an abortion

00:18:48.860 or to help someone have an abortion. 0.92

00:18:51.360 Otherwise you're as bad as a racist under law.

00:18:53.780 And this is where this is a huge Trojan horse, um, in the legislation, it's very deceptively

00:19:00.200 written.

00:19:00.480 So it's difficult to see this on face value.

00:19:02.440 You read the 30 pages and you're like, okay, don't see, you know, don't be talking about

00:19:05.560 abortion, but because of how the they're categorizing pregnancy as a medical condition and making

00:19:11.620 it up to par with your immutable characteristic, like your race, all of a sudden the treatment

00:19:16.840 of that medical condition can be considered, um, you know, your right to the degree that

00:19:21.340 you're being discriminated against if your doctor won't give you an abortion.

00:19:24.920 So this doesn't just affect, um, doctors and nurses, this could affect nonprofits,

00:19:29.340 um, and businesses who are going to be told they have to pay for abortions. 0.77

00:19:34.280 This removes the, the legislation also, Ali specifically says that religious, um, exemptions

00:19:40.860 don't apply and that's really scary.

00:19:43.520 So that means the existing case law that says, or law that says that, you know, if you're

00:19:48.120 a non-for-profit, like, you know, um, Hobby Lobby, you don't have to provide contraception,

00:19:52.420 whatever it might be, um, not just contraception, but abortion that is no longer going to apply.

00:19:57.300 So it is a earthquake to existing conscious exemptions, um, in law today, and it could increase

00:20:05.620 the numbers of abortion because it can also be used for federal funding for abortion because

00:20:10.440 now for the government to not pay for an abortion when it's your right, it's like discriminating

00:20:15.140 against you because of the color of your skin that can be applied to the government to, and

00:20:19.320 to taxpayer funding.

00:20:20.520 So this is, um, a dramatically, uh, uh, harmful legislation that again, because it's deceptively

00:20:28.500 written, very few people are even talking about this and it's about to pass the house

00:20:32.540 of representatives today.

00:20:33.540 And then we'll go to the Senate.

00:20:35.260 Right.

00:20:35.500 And it's that same line of reasoning, as you were saying at the beginning of your answer

00:20:39.160 about expanding the definition of sex and sex discrimination to not just cover pregnancy,

00:20:44.020 but also to discover, uh, cover so-called gender identity, which means a variety of things

00:20:49.960 like allowing men into women's spaces, like you were saying, but also in the same way that

00:20:54.060 a healthcare provider would be forced to perform an abortion, um, if requested of him or her,

00:21:01.980 uh, uh, a similar situation would also be the case in, um, um, for example, if a teenage woman said, 1.00

00:21:11.000 you know, now I identify as a man and I want a double mastectomy to be able to have a body that more

00:21:16.920 aligns with my so-called gender identity, um, a healthcare service provider in that industry

00:21:22.440 would then be required to perform that service, whether or not he actually agrees with it,

00:21:28.840 conscience wise, faith wise, or he just in his own medical judgment, doesn't think that it's

00:21:34.840 a good thing to do.

00:21:36.020 This law is also saying, no, that would be discrimination, like discriminating against

00:21:39.820 someone because of their race.

00:21:41.820 So it completely wipes out conscience protections, religious liberty protections in particular for

00:21:47.560 doctors.

00:21:48.000 But like you said, also for businesses, for organizations, for Christian business owners

00:21:51.980 and Christians, uh, in general.

00:21:54.540 Um, so this is a very, it's a frightening law.

00:21:56.960 Go ahead.

00:21:57.280 And, and also schools.

00:21:59.160 I mean, this, I'm a parent, I know you're a parent and my, our children are very young,

00:22:03.560 but, um, schools, not just public schools, but potentially private schools and charter

00:22:08.740 schools and maybe even homeschool, maybe even what you teach your children in your home, because

00:22:13.040 now, um, teaching your children that your biology, your immutable characteristics was written

00:22:19.220 into the DNA of every single one of your cells with your sex chromosome, that that is actually

00:22:23.580 not your gender, that your gender is what you decide.

00:22:26.560 And you know, that, that is now going to be bigotry.

00:22:29.860 That is by law considered discrimination, not just to make choices around that, like having

00:22:35.780 a women's only bathroom or a women's only sports team, but to teach that. 1.00

00:22:41.200 Yeah.

00:22:41.320 And it's, it's like teaching racism, um, you know, specifically like proactively teaching

00:22:46.240 racism.

00:22:46.580 They're equating it to that.

00:22:47.880 So this can affect, you know, school curricula.

00:22:51.220 It will affect school curricula because now children are going to be taught this as, they

00:22:56.340 already are taught this in many public schools, but now if a private school isn't teaching

00:22:59.660 this, I think there could be definitely, um, you know, with the right federal, uh, uh, you

00:23:05.740 know, person with the right, um, lawsuit, this could actually, I mean, I can see Xavier Becerra

00:23:11.560 going after a Catholic school to say, why aren't you teaching?

00:23:14.560 Um, why aren't you teaching non-discrimination when it comes to sex?

00:23:18.820 You know, I can see that happening.

00:23:20.540 Um, and, and that is going to be catastrophic.

00:23:24.180 That means we can no longer teach our children about their God-given biology.

00:23:28.500 We have to tell our children, you get to, we don't know if you're a boy or a girl yet.

00:23:32.440 You get to decide that, um, which is, I think, devastating to a child's psychology and sense

00:23:37.680 of self.

00:23:38.120 And it certainly goes against, um, nature.

00:23:40.440 So that is another area which we have only begun to see the potential fallout from it

00:23:46.120 and it could get really, really bad.

00:23:49.040 Oh man, there's so many implications to that, that we could explore.

00:23:52.420 I think that you did such a good job and, um, an important job in pointing out that they

00:23:59.900 are trying to equate race with sexuality and gender identity.

00:24:04.260 And therefore they are saying that there is, um, there's nothing morally contentious about

00:24:11.640 disagreeing with this idea of gender identity as separate from biological sex.

00:24:16.600 And I feel that if I were someone who cared, you know, if, if I were someone who had experienced

00:24:23.180 racism myself, or if I were, uh, you know, um, looking for protections based on race, I think

00:24:31.140 I would be highly offended by this idea that race is the same thing as a man declaring himself

00:24:36.460 a woman that seems to kind of, um, de-emphasize the importance of not discriminating against 1.00

00:24:43.320 someone based on race.

00:24:45.300 The waters get very, very muddy.

00:24:47.740 I agree.

00:24:49.040 And it's, it's much more than that though.

00:24:50.940 It's not just saying, um, a man can declare himself a woman and everybody has to play along

00:24:55.500 with that, including doctors and schools and everything, you know, women's sports teams. 0.96

00:24:59.380 But it's also saying that if you teach otherwise, you are a bigot, right?

00:25:03.900 If you teach otherwise, if you say otherwise, you are as bad as a racist.

00:25:09.560 And we also, you know, we haven't even talked about the, uh, consequences for churches and

00:25:15.740 for, um, for marriage, because already, as you know, marriage is under attack.

00:25:20.540 Marriage has sort of lost its, um, its reality in our public square as between a man and a woman 0.86

00:25:25.800 lifelong, but it means now that if you're a Catholic church, you're a Baptist church and

00:25:31.140 you won't do a same sex wedding, that is as bad as not willing, being willing to do a 1.00

00:25:37.180 wedding of people because of the color of their skin.

00:25:39.980 That is what this law does.

00:25:41.920 So now we're talking, you know, schools, we're talking, you know, this is much bigger than

00:25:46.480 bathrooms.

00:25:47.200 This is much bigger than bathrooms.

00:25:48.580 We're talking the way that children are taught to see their own, their own selves and what we're

00:25:52.640 allowed to teach.

00:25:53.840 We're talking how our churches are allowed to marry and churches potentially being shut

00:25:58.620 down if they were completely shut down because now they are refusing to comply with anti-discrimination

00:26:03.120 laws.

00:26:03.800 And so now they are, um, you know, either forced to do same sex weddings or, you know, entered

00:26:09.240 sex weddings or whatever kind of wedding that anybody wants, um, or they're shut down because

00:26:13.720 again, the equality act specifically says religious exemptions don't apply.

00:26:17.820 And these aren't just religious, this shouldn't just be about religion because it's also

00:26:21.280 just science and biology, but it is basically saying, if you disagree, you're going to be

00:26:26.360 in trouble and you're a bigot. 0.94

00:26:28.580 Yeah.

00:26:29.340 And I also think that you do a good job of making the argument on its merits.

00:26:33.360 Obviously, religious liberty is important, but so often conservatives are afraid to just

00:26:38.740 argue for, for example, that, okay, no, we shouldn't even be having this conversation

00:26:43.860 because men aren't women and women aren't men. 1.00

00:26:46.180 We can't just push this conversation into the realm of constitutionality and religious liberty,

00:26:50.600 even though that is so important, we have to, we have to have this conversation in the

00:26:56.420 moral sphere because that's what the left is doing.

00:26:59.020 The left really doesn't care whether or not this infringes upon religious liberty or what

00:27:03.180 the first amendment says, or what the constitution says about protections for churches and Christian

00:27:08.220 schools and things like that.

00:27:09.420 They are concerned with what they see as the morality of not being able to quote discriminate

00:27:15.400 against someone based on gender identity.

00:27:17.360 And so we have to meet them in the moral conversation and have that discussion first of what is good,

00:27:24.800 what is not, what is right, what is wrong, what is true, what is false.

00:27:28.220 We have to be willing to have that foundational conversation.

00:27:31.380 I think before we move into the realm of talking about religious liberty and constitutionality,

00:27:35.960 conservatives so often kind of like push the conversation into that realm.

00:27:40.280 The left isn't having that conversation.

00:27:41.800 They're having a moral, ideological conversation about gender identity and abortion.

00:27:47.260 They're really not concerned with the constitutionality of that.

00:27:50.880 Yes, I think that's an excellent point, Allie.

00:27:53.020 I totally agree.

00:27:54.440 We can't just, you know, try to build a little ghetto around ourselves and say, okay, we are

00:27:58.820 the religious people over here and this is what we believe.

00:28:01.460 What we believe is not such even a matter of belief.

00:28:04.240 A lot of it has to do with scientific realities.

00:28:06.920 Biology is not bigotry.

00:28:09.120 The fact that I am a woman, I have female sex chromosomes does not mean that I am, you 0.80

00:28:17.560 know, I can change and all of a sudden become a man because I whim it or because I, you know,

00:28:21.400 change my physical external characteristics or because I, you know, have a personal preference,

00:28:27.980 you know, some other way.

00:28:29.140 We need to engage that debate directly because that's the source of the confusion.

00:28:33.320 And the religious liberty argument, I think ultimately will be a losing argument if it's

00:28:37.960 steamrolled by this higher moral ground that they're claiming.

00:28:42.460 The good news is we have the truth on our side, not just the truth, like in a, you know,

00:28:47.240 in a moral sense, but in a scientific sense, the science around gender ideology, most of 0.87

00:28:52.160 it is, and a lot of the studies I've read, it's a lot of junk science.

00:28:54.920 It's not built on, you know, the realities of our bodies.

00:28:58.800 It's built on a lot of focus group, case study type stuff that has to do with people

00:29:04.680 who have serious challenges.

00:29:07.240 You know, a lot of them are struggling with gender identity themselves, but that doesn't

00:29:11.780 mean that that struggle isn't something that should be treated and cared for instead of

00:29:15.540 lifted up as actually a form of freedom or empowerment, which is what the left is trying

00:29:20.480 to do.

00:29:21.020 So the more we get into the debate directly and debate on the merits of the argument, instead

00:29:27.500 of just saying, leave us alone, I'm religious, the more effective we're going to be in actually

00:29:32.020 helping people.

00:29:33.540 And, you know, it's really about helping people and serving people.

00:29:36.200 Yeah.

00:29:36.440 And going on the offense to not only just saying, hey, it's not it's not bigotry to believe

00:29:41.580 these things, but actually saying in the positive sense that it's actually love to believe these

00:29:46.420 things that we are calling for love of the most vulnerable people, babies inside the womb.

00:29:51.960 We are calling for love of the body that God has given you.

00:29:55.780 We're talking about loving God's creation, protecting God's creation and having a culture

00:30:02.000 that reflects that goodness and reflects that love that we have of the bodies God gave us

00:30:07.500 and babies in the womb and all kinds of vulnerable people.

00:30:11.400 So it's actually a message of love that we have, certainly not a message of bigotry.

00:30:15.760 And I think conservatives, in particular Christians, have to do better at pushing for that positive 0.82

00:30:21.120 message rather than only, you know, being on on the defense.

00:30:26.340 Yeah.

00:30:26.780 And if you have I mean, if you have same sex attraction or you have gender dysphoria and

00:30:32.460 you're struggling with your your sexual identity, that doesn't mean you should be discriminated

00:30:38.220 against.

00:30:38.560 I think we can all agree that we should not mistreat or discriminate against someone because

00:30:44.400 of their desires or because of their own struggles or because of their own attraction, that what

00:30:50.360 matters is what people choose to do with those things.

00:30:52.740 And then, of course, that we treat everybody with equal dignity and respect.

00:30:56.700 So I think that that should be the message, that we're not wanting to discriminate against

00:31:01.520 anyone.

00:31:01.960 In fact, we want to help others and see their God-given dignity equal.

00:31:05.900 All of us have this equal God-given dignity.

00:31:07.840 But it is to recognize a struggle and call it a struggle.

00:31:13.340 You know, if someone's saying, you know, even though a biological male, like I'm a female

00:31:16.540 and to say this is a struggle, we want to serve you in this struggle instead of we want

00:31:20.920 to make the struggle your entire identity and basically doom you to your struggle.

00:31:28.700 You know, the suicide rate for transgender kids and adults is sky high.

00:31:34.200 I mean, it's dramatically higher than for other young people or for other adults.

00:31:39.640 That's not helping people to push them towards that identity.

00:31:43.760 So I think that needs to be part of our message, too.

00:31:46.580 Yeah, absolutely.

00:31:48.060 Can you tell people how they can support you?

00:31:50.160 You have a book that's coming out.

00:31:51.360 So please tell people what it is, where they can buy it or pre-order it, and then how they

00:31:55.940 can support you in live action.

00:31:58.180 Thanks, Allie.

00:31:59.080 So thank you so much.

00:32:00.300 Yes, I'm coming out.

00:32:01.220 I know you've been through the author thing.

00:32:02.700 Congratulations on your book last year.

00:32:04.780 I am coming out with my first book in May.

00:32:07.060 It's called Fighting for Life.

00:32:08.220 And it's really a guidebook for everyone who wants to stand up and do something about what's

00:32:12.800 happening in our culture, whether it's on abortion or really any cause that we think

00:32:16.800 is important.

00:32:17.580 It's the lessons I've learned over the last 15 years about standing up when you're feeling

00:32:22.020 unsure of yourself, overcoming mistakes, knowing what to say when you're not sure what to

00:32:27.500 say, having courage to stand alone when other people are against you and opposing you.

00:32:32.560 So it is, I hope, encouragement and inspiration for people.

00:32:35.660 And that comes out on May.

00:32:36.960 It's available for pre-order now.

00:32:38.940 And then liveaction.org is our website for our pro-life work.

00:32:44.120 We're the digital leader in education.

00:32:46.000 So we are daily putting out content to change hearts and minds, and we hope it's helpful

00:32:50.300 to you, especially if you're talking to friends about abortion or you're wanting to learn more

00:32:53.780 yourself.

00:32:54.500 There's a lot of resources for you there to learn more about this issue and how to be a

00:32:58.980 very persuasive pro-life advocate yourself.

00:33:00.800 So check that out.

00:33:01.540 And we're also all of our social media.

00:33:02.780 You can look at that too.

00:33:03.940 Awesome.

00:33:04.860 And we will put the pre-order link to your book in the description of this podcast,

00:33:08.000 just so everyone knows exactly where to get it.

00:33:11.140 Lila, thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us.

00:33:13.720 You informed us a lot on these two areas, not just in relation to abortion, but in relation

00:33:19.560 to the so-called culture wars in general.

00:33:22.140 So thank you so much.

00:33:24.340 Thanks for having me, Ali.

00:33:25.260 So as promised, I want to speak for a second to the evangelicals who have spent the past

00:33:41.980 few years and especially the past few months leading up to the election, either explicitly

00:33:48.240 or implicitly condemning a vote for Donald Trump as a vote for hate and hailing a vote for Joe

00:33:55.180 Biden as a vote for love and decency and respect and dignity and normalcy and moderation and

00:34:00.520 all of that.

00:34:01.360 These are Christians who say that they care very much about obeying God, both publicly and

00:34:08.000 privately.

00:34:09.160 Many of them claim to even care about religious liberty.

00:34:12.060 And yet they outright insisted or at least just implied that voting for Trump was worse

00:34:20.280 than anything that Biden and Democrats could ever do, could ever usher in.

00:34:25.180 There are organizations who claim to be bipartisan, who say that they care about religious freedom

00:34:30.560 and protections for LGBTQ people who are only now sounding the alarms on what the Equality

00:34:37.540 Act actually means when they had ample opportunity to do so ahead of time.

00:34:41.800 These are Christians saying that this is the greatest legislative threat to religious liberty 0.95

00:34:46.440 that we've seen.

00:34:47.420 And to them, I just have one question.

00:34:51.480 Where have you been?

00:34:52.360 We have been saying this about this bill for years now.

00:34:56.460 We have raised the flags about this for a very long time.

00:35:00.560 We tried to warn people that if you vote for Democrats, this is just one thing that you will

00:35:05.860 be getting.

00:35:06.620 They haven't tried to hide this.

00:35:08.380 We tried to tell people, look, Biden isn't keeping a secret about who he is.

00:35:12.680 He is not a moderate.

00:35:14.200 He is for taxpayer funded abortion through nine months.

00:35:17.920 He is against religious liberty.

00:35:19.360 He is against school choice for predominantly poor students.

00:35:22.660 He is for men having access to women's spaces.

00:35:25.060 He is for haphazard immigration policy.

00:35:27.560 He is for the toxic lie that is critical race theory pervading government agencies and the

00:35:32.780 military.

00:35:34.100 And a lot of you just rolled your eyes and said, yeah, but Trump, look at what Trump said.

00:35:38.840 Look at look at this headline.

00:35:40.340 Look at how bad he is. 0.99

00:35:41.480 Anyone who votes for him is a racist. 0.92

00:35:43.240 And that's the worst thing that you could do.

00:35:44.540 Voting for Joe Biden, we were told, is a vote for kindness and for love.

00:35:48.780 That's what a lot of you said.

00:35:50.640 And I agree.

00:35:51.580 Trump has some very serious flaws and failures, obviously.

00:35:55.600 But I do not want to hear your concerns about this legislation that you basically have had

00:36:00.820 nothing to say about for the year leading up to the election that Joe Biden said that

00:36:05.480 he supported.

00:36:06.440 If you are really concerned about it, you should have talked about it just as much as you talked

00:36:11.720 about how mean Trump was.

00:36:13.760 The truth is, the fact of the matter is, the evangelicals for Biden crowd decided not

00:36:19.460 to heavily highlight the things like the Equality Act or Biden's pro-abortion agenda before the

00:36:24.380 general election or before the Georgia special election, because at the end of the day, they

00:36:29.200 still wanted people to vote Democrat.

00:36:31.680 They decided that getting the the mean orange man out of the White House was more important

00:36:38.020 than conscience protections for doctors who don't want to perform abortions on a kicking, 0.98

00:36:42.700 moving, feeling, unborn baby or who don't want to surgically castrate a teenage boy who

00:36:47.300 now identifies as a girl.

00:36:48.880 They decided that beating Trump was more important than ensuring girls could go to the bathroom 0.98

00:36:54.180 or change in the locker room or compete in sports with only girls.

00:36:58.460 They decided it was more important than ensuring that women in prisons or or in abuse shelters 0.52

00:37:03.920 would be protected in women only spaces. 1.00

00:37:07.580 They decided that making sure Trump lost was more important than ensuring taxpayers aren't

00:37:12.580 forced to fund abortions.

00:37:14.340 And in exchange for what?

00:37:16.960 Like, what did they get for their vote for Biden?

00:37:20.420 They got a guy who has said and continues to say as many allegedly racist things as Trump

00:37:25.580 has, who said that poor kids are just as smart as white kids.

00:37:29.420 He said that he doesn't want his kids to go to school in a so-called racial jungle.

00:37:34.520 He said that he can't even go into a 7-Eleven without hearing a person with an Indian accent.

00:37:39.700 He authored a crime bill which has disproportionately affected black and brown communities and who

00:37:45.240 is now going to do what for so-called racial justice, support more funding to Planned Parenthood

00:37:51.400 and oppose school choice?

00:37:53.080 What will Biden and Democrats accomplish in this area that Trump did not?

00:37:57.000 You didn't get better facilities at the border.

00:37:59.820 All you got is Washington Post changing their language from, quote, kids in cages, which

00:38:04.480 is what they call the border shelters under Trump, to, quote, influx facilities, which

00:38:09.400 is what they're calling them now.

00:38:10.640 Either way, by the way, they were built by the Obama administration.

00:38:14.300 I will note what should tell you how utterly affected so many people were by the media hatred

00:38:20.560 of Trump and the glossing over of Biden, including the Christians who voted for Biden, who thought

00:38:26.660 that they were making a good exchange.

00:38:29.540 One day, the long tentacles of the Equality Act and progressive totalitarianism will come 0.60

00:38:36.100 for your church.

00:38:37.300 It will come for your pastor.

00:38:38.760 It will come for your kid's school.

00:38:40.860 It will come for your daughter's sports team.

00:38:43.140 It will come for your local women's shelter, your florist, the pro-life pregnancy center that

00:38:48.280 you sponsor, your business, your speech, your beliefs.

00:38:51.420 And I do wonder if then you will realize that your vote in the name of supposed decency was

00:38:57.440 not worth it, that you linked arms with people who hate you and everything that you believe

00:39:03.160 in.

00:39:04.080 I have many qualms with the Republican Party, but understand, Christian, that the Democratic 0.53

00:39:09.720 Party hates you. 0.97

00:39:11.320 And they dupe so many people every few years into thinking that they care about religious

00:39:17.300 people's rights and beliefs and that they are the party of compassion.

00:39:20.480 And the fact that they can convince people of that, even while openly celebrating abortion

00:39:24.980 and gender confusion and kids and having absolutely nothing to show in the way of compassion is 0.99

00:39:29.880 honestly so remarkable.

00:39:31.960 They're amazing at PR and advertising, marketing, messaging.

00:39:35.980 And look, I believe that if you voted Democrat, you did so because you thought it was the best

00:39:42.060 thing to do.

00:39:42.560 I don't think that you're some bad person.

00:39:44.240 I certainly don't hate you. 0.99

00:39:45.620 I don't think that you're stupid or anything close to that. 0.99

00:39:49.000 I just think that you were wrong, that you were very wrong. 0.94

00:39:52.320 And I just want to be candid in saying that it's hard for me to hear and see some of you

00:39:56.940 complaining about this legislation and policies and nominees that so many people warned you

00:40:03.340 about for months on end.

00:40:05.220 And I'm not saying that Trump was the perfect candidate or that you had to have voted for

00:40:10.120 him to be on the right side.

00:40:11.260 I think faithful people decided to vote for neither candidate.

00:40:14.760 But even so, you could have at least expressed some concern over Biden's radicalism before

00:40:20.640 the election.

00:40:21.180 But you didn't because, again, at the end of the day, you felt that defeating Trump was

00:40:25.300 more important than protecting taxpayers from funding abortions or Christian doctors from 0.59

00:40:30.260 being forced to perform sex change surgery.

00:40:32.280 And I simply believe from my perspective that you made a bad trade and maybe you're realizing

00:40:38.660 that.

00:40:39.120 And if that's the case, I'm not angry.

00:40:40.920 I'm not shunning you.

00:40:41.800 I'm not canceling you.

00:40:43.080 I'm not in any way gloating.

00:40:45.220 Certainly not because I'm not happy about it.

00:40:47.100 But as the saying goes, elections have consequences.

00:40:49.420 And now we are going to continue to live with these.

00:40:53.160 But it's not too late to speak up.

00:40:55.120 It's not too late to push back.

00:40:56.680 And I would argue as a Christian who cares about these future generations, who cares about

00:41:01.460 these vulnerable populations, that it is your obligation to do so.

00:41:06.580 All right.

00:41:07.000 That's all I've got to say about that.

00:41:09.280 I will see you guys back here on Monday.

00:41:19.420 I will see you guys back here on Monday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - February 25, 2021

Ep 376 ｜ How the Equality Act Opposes Science & Faith ｜ Guest： Lila Rose

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