Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 377 ｜ 'The Bachelor' Cancel Queen Gets Canceled

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. It

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00:01:40.960 Today, we're going to talk about a few things. We're going to talk about this controversy,

00:01:46.840 this Bachelor controversy. And as some of you, you might not be interested in what happens with

00:01:52.820 The Bachelor. I'm not necessarily interested with what happens with The Bachelor, but I think that it

00:01:58.560 is actually a good representation of the craziness and the constant contradictions of cancel culture

00:02:08.140 culture and of woke social justice, performative activism culture. And I think that we can learn

00:02:15.180 lots of lessons from it. We're also going to talk a little bit about Trump's speech that he delivered

00:02:22.160 at CPAC. This was the first time that people got to hear him on a public platform like that,

00:02:27.680 have gotten to hear him in a really long time. And so people were super excited about it. And so

00:02:31.960 we're going to talk about that. I was going to talk about the Golden Globes,

00:02:34.860 and we were going to talk just in general about kind of political and celebrity idolatry today,

00:02:40.200 but we're not going to talk about that. There's really not that much to talk about with the

00:02:43.500 Golden Globes. Maybe there's some controversies that I missed, but to be perfectly honest,

00:02:48.480 I haven't watched an award show in a very long time. And the last time I did watch an award show,

00:02:53.420 it was just to see whether or not there were going to be political statements made about Donald Trump,

00:02:58.080 which now that Donald Trump is in an office, they don't have any jokes to tell.

00:03:01.800 They don't have anything funny to say or interesting to say, because unfortunately for a lot of

00:03:06.940 those people, disliking Donald Trump has become their personality. It's become the most interesting

00:03:12.180 thing about them. It's become even their sign of virtue. And now that Donald Trump is gone,

00:03:16.400 they have nothing interesting to say. So Golden Globes, not quite as exciting. It's very interesting

00:03:23.380 how much Trump seems to affect so many spheres in our society without even trying to, but because

00:03:31.780 the people who hate him so much want him to be center stage so they can use him as a way to show

00:03:38.080 their virtue and morality and personality. He has become the star of a variety of these cultural

00:03:47.160 institutions like award shows. So nothing really to say about the Golden Globes. Y'all don't really care,

00:03:53.380 I'm sure, that much about the Golden Globes either. Does anyone really care about it? The only thing I

00:03:57.340 guess they care about is if Ricky Gervais says something funny at the expense of celebrities.

00:04:01.840 All right, let's talk about this Bachelor-Taylor Nolan controversy. Some of you might not know what

00:04:08.800 I'm talking about, but like I said, I think it's actually important to look into this because it speaks

00:04:13.440 to a larger moment in our culture. And as Christians in particular, I think there are lessons that we

00:04:18.760 can draw from everything that's going on. So first, let me back up a little bit. You can go to episode,

00:04:24.360 I think it's 369, and we will link it in the description of this episode. But there has been

00:04:30.720 controversy and drama surrounding The Bachelor. Contestants, old pictures of hers were uncovered

00:04:38.460 where she was at this Old South Kappa Alpha party at Georgia State University. And she was wearing like

00:04:45.420 this big, you know, antebellum hoop skirt thing. And apparently she had liked a picture with a 1.00

00:04:51.660 Confederate flag in it. And there were a couple other things that people were calling this contestant

00:04:57.020 a racist. Chris Harrison, who has been the host of The Bachelor since its inception, so I think like

00:05:02.080 20 years, did an interview on Extra with Rachel Lindsay, who also I think used to be a contestant of

00:05:09.640 The Bachelor and also is like this social justice activist person who is constantly talking about

00:05:16.200 all that kind of stuff. Interviewed him and Chris Harrison defended this contestant and said, look,

00:05:21.000 like we don't know that she's a racist. This was in 2018. We have different standards today. I think

00:05:25.740 that we just need to, we don't need to be harassing this girl. We don't need to be harassing this 0.81

00:05:31.300 contestant. Apparently people had doxxed her parents, had found out how her parents voted,

00:05:37.300 and were just trying to take her down. And Chris Harrison just said, look, we need a little

00:05:42.220 bit of grace. We need a little bit of understanding. Well, not only did Rachel Lindsay not like that,

00:05:47.880 but apparently a large swath of the internet didn't like that. And so Chris Harrison ended up

00:05:53.420 apologizing twice, using all of the anti-racist Ibram X Kendi, Robin DiAngelo language to say that he was

00:06:01.040 sorry that he shouldn't have, he shouldn't have said, I guess, to give this contestant grace and

00:06:08.740 that we, I guess, shouldn't have understanding because he said that he had harmed people by,

00:06:13.980 you know, giving an excuse to the pictures and that he is now on this anti-racist journey to do

00:06:19.040 better. He's taking a step back from The Bachelor and he is not hosting after the final rose, which is

00:06:26.140 like the culmination of each season where they kind of go back and they, they, they look at what

00:06:31.380 happened throughout the season. Now it's going to be Emmanuel Akko. I think that's how you, or Akko,

00:06:37.060 that's how you pronounce his last name. And he is a guy who has been hosting, um, I think it's

00:06:42.400 conversations with a black man, mostly on Instagram over the past few months since the George Floyd

00:06:47.760 incident happened. And so I think that they felt that, you know, he was a good pick for hosting after

00:06:54.340 the final rose. Emmanuel Akko is the same, I think, as most social justice activists. He perpetuates,

00:07:01.800 um, narratives that we've talked about on this show. I do not think are actually factual, but I'm sure

00:07:08.600 he's a nice person. I'm sure he will be a good host, but it hasn't been enough for some people that

00:07:14.120 Chris Harrison said, I'm going to take a step back and I'm going to go on this anti-racist journey,

00:07:18.320 blah, blah, blah. Um, it is not enough because they want him to be fired. They want him to be

00:07:25.740 taken down. They don't think that he should be the host of the bachelor anymore. Again, not because he

00:07:29.740 said or did anything racist, but because, uh, he said that people should give grace and understanding

00:07:37.500 to the contestant that had been doxxed and harassed, um, and, uh, insulted because of past pictures that

00:07:47.320 people deemed racist. That is why people are calling for Chris Harrison to be fired from the

00:07:52.980 bachelor. And one of the loudest voices in, uh, being, uh, in this whole thing to, for Chris Harrison

00:08:00.380 to be fired from the bachelor is a previous contestant, Taylor Nolan. So she was on this,

00:08:07.880 the bachelor in 2017. She was on season four of bachelor in paradise. And since then she has been able

00:08:14.640 to build a platform with hundreds of thousands of followers, she has a podcast where she talks about

00:08:19.860 all of these woke subjects and racism, especially how terrible, uh, white people and whiteness and

00:08:27.340 whiteness is. And, um, how, you know, we have to be anti-racist activists. She talks about body

00:08:35.000 positivity and self-love in every single woke social justice activism thing that you can think of.

00:08:45.720 She is talking about, and she purports to be an expert on, and she has been extremely loud in

00:08:53.660 calling for the firing of Chris Harrison. She has said, just because you don't think something was

00:08:58.780 racist in the past doesn't mean that it's not racist. So we have to quote, hold people accountable

00:09:03.320 for that. We have to call people out for that. She has just been vicious against this past contestant. 1.00

00:09:08.300 She has been vicious against Chris Harrison, just relentless in calling for his firing and calling

00:09:13.600 for his taking down. Well, it was found out that 10 years ago, she tweeted a variety of very

00:09:20.240 objectively offensive tweets about Asian people, um, about Indian people, about Jewish people. Um,

00:09:28.540 there were some, uh, slurs against gay people that she used against fat people. Uh, and so she had a 0.80

00:09:36.580 lot of very, just nasty tweets, like very cruel, very mean tweets about, uh, different kinds of groups

00:09:45.200 of people. And so people are calling her out for this and saying, look, you can't pretend to be this

00:09:52.220 expert on love and inclusion and tolerance and anti-racism. When obviously you were kind of

00:09:59.800 harboring these feelings and these kinds of perspectives in your heart and mind, even though

00:10:06.160 they were 10 years ago, people are calling her out and people are insulting her and all of that kind

00:10:11.320 of stuff. And so she came out and she apologized kind of, she said, look, these tweets were bad. I

00:10:17.760 shouldn't have done it, but listen to this. She said, the reason that she did it is because of

00:10:24.020 whiteness, because she is half black, half white, and she was centering her whiteness. She says, look, 0.66

00:10:29.960 I'm just a product of my environment. I live in this, you know, capital, capitalist, racist society too.

00:10:36.560 And so I just had basically, she, I'm summarizing, internalized all of these toxic kind of mindsets

00:10:44.200 from the pervasively white capitalistic society in which we live. So basically I'm a victim of all 0.96

00:10:53.440 of this stuff. And I was speaking as a victim of white supremacy and whiteness and capitalism and

00:10:59.040 the patriarchy and, and fat phobia, she said, and all of these things. And that's why I said that. 0.63

00:11:04.380 And I, I shouldn't have said it, but look, other people have said racist stuff too. And she basically 1.00

00:11:10.020 said, just because I did something bad, doesn't mean that I can't call out other people for doing

00:11:14.200 things bad. And this is why I'm doing this work because I used to have these bad, terrible thoughts

00:11:19.320 too. And so I am working to push against this kind of stuff, blah, blah, blah. She never took full

00:11:25.880 responsibility for it. She kept on shifting the blame to quote society, which I've noticed a lot of 0.57

00:11:32.760 people on the left like to do. I often say that leftism gets human nature wrong. It views humans as

00:11:40.000 just products of our environment, as these malleable objects that can be formed and reformed based on

00:11:48.080 the, you know, on the dominant powers in society. And that's just not true. We have nature as well

00:11:55.640 that is not malleable, that is not changeable based on what the people in power want or based on what

00:12:01.500 society says things should be. And so it's a very convenient excuse for someone like Taylor Nolan to

00:12:09.740 just say, look, I'm a victim too, as a woman of color. And I was speaking as a victim and it's

00:12:16.080 still, uh, they're white people are still to blame here. It's a very convenient excuse. And it actually 0.90

00:12:22.280 fits perfectly into the worldview of critical race theory, which we've talked about so much, which

00:12:27.500 views the world as white versus black white corresponds with bad and the oppressor, uh, nonwhite 1.00

00:12:34.180 corresponds with the oppressed and good. Therefore anyone on the side of the oppressed is never going

00:12:42.040 to be held responsible in the same way that someone on the white slash oppressor side is going to.

00:12:48.120 And you can see how that kind of mentality is so unbiblical because we will all stand before God as

00:12:54.560 individuals. And we're not going to be based on our skin color. We're not going to be based on whether

00:12:58.780 or not we were categorized as the oppressed or the oppressor based on our race or based on our sexuality

00:13:04.720 or based on our gender. We are going to be held to account for the things that we say and the things

00:13:10.400 that we do now for us who are in Christ, those of us who are believers, like our slate has been wiped

00:13:17.200 clean. We have been eternally forgiven forever. Uh, we do not get into heaven based on what we've done

00:13:25.360 or based on what we've said. Um, but rather because of Jesus's righteousness, which by grace through

00:13:32.840 faith, he has given to us through his death and resurrection, all of those who, uh, believe in

00:13:38.900 him. So, uh, the fact of the matter is, is that this kind of mentality, this kind of critical race

00:13:46.000 mentality, which Nolan is so perfectly exemplifying here, it not only does not correspond with reality or

00:13:54.520 any kind of morality, but it also doesn't correspond with any kind of biblical truth. Like you don't

00:14:00.260 get off the hook just because of your skin color, just because you are a product of your environment,

00:14:05.740 or just because you want to blame this kind of intangible, non-quantifiable idea of whiteness

00:14:13.700 that you say has affected you and has caused you to be a mean person. Unfortunately, I think that so

00:14:19.240 many people in this world have lost the art of apology because they don't think that they actually need

00:14:24.080 to apologize. And so rather than taking responsibility, they put their responsibility

00:14:29.260 on other people. The lesson that I think that we can draw from all of this, because apparently she's

00:14:36.320 still getting insulted. She's still getting dragged. People are still swarming her comments. They're still 0.97

00:14:41.640 trying to cancel her. Of course, they're rightfully calling her a hypocrite for all of this. I think the 0.99

00:14:47.740 lesson that we can learn is that no amount of wokeness is going to save you. No amount of wokeness

00:14:54.060 is going to insulate you from cancellation. It's never going to be enough. You can listen and learn

00:15:00.560 all you want to. You can say that you're reading the right things. You can say the right things. You

00:15:04.480 can repeat the right rhetoric. You can be on the front lines of social justice activism. You can post

00:15:10.480 the black square, post the right things on social media. No matter what you do, you are still going to

00:15:18.520 end up with the pitchforks in your face. Because the very same mob that you have worked into a frenzy

00:15:25.720 in the past to rage towards other people, they're going to redirect their frenzy and their rage

00:15:33.400 towards you. That's just what happens. You've created this monster, and you can't be surprised

00:15:38.520 when the monster turns around and attacks you. That's what cancel culture is. Cancel culture is

00:15:44.720 a bunch of people hoping that joining the cancel mob is going to protect them from being canceled or

00:15:52.500 condemned or criticized. And it's just not. She is as mainstream and as left-wing as it comes

00:16:01.780 on every single issue. And the rage mob still turned their backs on her. And she asked for it in some

00:16:11.500 ways, like if you play with fire, you're going to get burned. If you point out the log or the speck

00:16:16.900 in someone else's eye, you can't be surprised when someone turns around and points out the log in

00:16:22.640 your eye. And so she certainly in some ways has helped add to the chaos that is now surrounding her

00:16:34.500 and that has now made a victim of her and she doesn't like it. And look, I don't think that she

00:16:40.420 should be canceled for her past tweets. I don't think that she should be harassed. I don't think

00:16:44.880 that she should be taken down. I don't think that her advertisers on her podcast should be targeted

00:16:49.280 because I think cancelers should be taught their lesson through kindness rather than cruelty. 0.99

00:16:54.500 And I know it's very tempting to get satisfaction out of seeing someone like that, a hypocrite like 0.99

00:17:00.380 that, get a taste of their own medicine. But at the end of the day, I still don't want her to be 0.99

00:17:06.780 canceled because I don't like the idea of this mutually assured destruction when it comes to

00:17:12.940 cancel culture. There are two kind of paths that I think conservatives take when it comes to what

00:17:18.840 we're seeing in cancel culture. So like a conservative like Gina Carano, if you can consider 0.94

00:17:23.180 her a conservative, getting fired for saying something that really wasn't very controversial,

00:17:28.120 especially in comparison to what some of her co-stars had said on The Mandalorian on their social

00:17:35.260 media and they're perfectly fine. So when conservatives look at that, there are two

00:17:39.680 paths that we can take. Or when conservatives look at something like this whole Taylor Nolan

00:17:44.200 situation, either you can say, OK, mutually assured destruction. If you people on the left,

00:17:49.820 if you're going to cancel us, if you're going to cancel people for past mistakes or things that

00:17:54.720 they have said or done that you don't like 10 years ago, whenever it was, then we're going to do

00:17:59.020 the same to you and we're going to take you down too. If these are the rules of the game that you

00:18:04.400 have set, then we'll play by the rules. But understand, we know how to play this game too.

00:18:08.980 And you are not going to like it. You're not going to like it when we apply your ruthless,

00:18:14.960 vicious standards that you have set to you. You're not going to like the consequences of it. So

00:18:20.640 that is that's that's one option that people say, OK, you're going to take us down. We're going to take

00:18:27.740 you down. You're going to dig up our past tweets. We're going to dig up your past tweets.

00:18:31.720 And all these people that you on the left have worked into a rage and worked into a frenzy.

00:18:37.800 We're going to stick them back on you if you do that to us. And so you can either stop or we can

00:18:44.660 keep going and everyone is just destroyed. Now, that's one option. I don't like that option because

00:18:52.240 I don't think it creates a good society. Maybe eventually people would learn their lesson,

00:18:58.020 but I think it creates a lot of vengeance, a lot of resentment, a lot of hate, a lot of bitterness

00:19:04.120 that could lead potentially to violence, even more violence in our country. And that's not

00:19:10.040 something that I want. And I also don't think that that's Christlike. I think that the Christian 1.00

00:19:14.460 response, which is the response that is so unsatisfying to our flesh, and I very much understand 0.94

00:19:21.120 because I don't like bullies. And of course, my propensity is to want bullies to be bullied.

00:19:27.420 I really, I hate bullies. I think I can say that. I think I can say I hate bullies because I really

00:19:33.080 do hate bullies. And so I'm with you. If you are someone who sees this situation and you're like,

00:19:37.540 oh, you just want her to get what she has dealt out to other people, I get it. But I think that so

00:19:43.700 often the response that Christ calls us to is the response that is so difficult and so

00:19:49.340 unsatisfying to our flesh, and yet he tells us is good and right. And I think that that is the

00:19:55.460 response that says, look, I can't cancel you, Taylor Nolan, or whoever is involved here, because God

00:20:04.440 in Christ chose not to cancel me. God could have canceled me eternally, but he chose not to in Jesus

00:20:11.480 Christ. And therefore, I do not have the ability, I do not have the place to be able to cancel

00:20:19.340 cancel you. Because God could have canceled me. He had every right to cancel me as the God of the

00:20:25.500 universe is this perfect holy being. But he chose not to in Christ, not because I'm good, not because

00:20:31.100 I earned it, but because he is gracious and through his love and through his mercy, offered a propitiation

00:20:37.660 and a way of forgiveness for my sins. And so in the same way that God showed me love and mercy,

00:20:43.120 I'm going to show you love and mercy. And I am not going to join in on the mob. I am not going

00:20:49.320 to call for your doxing or harassing or people insulting you or trying to hurt you or target

00:20:56.460 your advertisers or get you fired. I'm not going to play that game. I think that is the right

00:21:03.000 response. I think it is a turning the other cheek kind of response that we are called to have as

00:21:09.160 Christians. Now, here's what I want to say. I want to clarify and caveat. I don't think that means 0.63

00:21:15.520 that you can't publicly disagree with someone because I publicly disagree with people all the

00:21:20.000 time. That's not the same as cancellation. That's not the same as the cancel culture mob.

00:21:24.780 I think that you can publicly disagree with someone. I think that you can even call someone out.

00:21:29.320 I think that you can say, look, what this person said is wrong. This person's a hypocrite or I don't 0.98

00:21:34.420 like what this person does. You can choose not to support someone. You can choose not to follow 0.99

00:21:38.340 someone. You can choose not to shop somewhere or fund something if they do or say something that

00:21:43.800 doesn't align with your values. You can talk to other people about it. I think that's all well and

00:21:48.600 good. I think what we have to avoid as Christians is the kind of vengeance that God warns us against

00:21:54.660 in the Bible. God says, vengeance is mine. I will repay. Vengeance is not ours. We are not to take

00:22:01.400 vengeance on other people. And plus, it's not even our responsibility to do so for random people on the

00:22:06.420 internet. Remember, accountability, this idea of accountability, as we've talked about before,

00:22:10.860 comes from a place of authority. And so you can only hold someone accountable if you have

00:22:15.740 authority in your life. You and I don't have the authority over random people's lives on the

00:22:20.320 internet to, quote, hold them accountable. And random people on the internet don't have the

00:22:23.960 authority in your life to, quote, hold you accountable either. It's a fascist tactic to try to ruin

00:22:28.840 someone's life because they said something that you don't like, or they said something

00:22:32.520 imperfectly or just because they made a mistake. Now, I'm not talking about actual criminal behavior

00:22:38.600 here. Obviously, there is a civil process for that, and I think that's important. And that

00:22:44.920 actually is a form of accountability because the people in charge do have the authority to hold

00:22:49.640 someone legally accountable for a crime that they committed. I'm not talking about abuse and

00:22:55.280 predation and that kind of stuff, which absolutely has to be held accountable both in the private

00:23:01.020 and the public sphere. I'm talking about this kind of stuff. I'm talking about past tweets.

00:23:06.460 I'm talking about taking a picture that maybe was politically incorrect. I'm talking about making

00:23:11.660 a mistake or not being quite social justice-y enough or people being held to impossible standards

00:23:19.700 when it comes to this kind of newfangled, culturally defined righteousness. That's what I'm talking about.

00:23:30.080 I'm talking about canceling people, sticking the mob after people because in the name of holding

00:23:36.320 people accountable, it's a totalitarian fascist tactic that is reminiscent of Maoist struggle

00:23:43.000 sessions in communist China in the 20th century. We should have nothing to do with it. And as 0.95

00:23:48.580 Christians, I do think that it's our responsibility to say, look, you know what? I'm not going to join in 1.00

00:23:56.360 on this. I'm not going to join in with the rage mob. I am not going to try to take this person down.

00:24:02.220 I am not going to return their cruelty and kind. And you just hope when you pray that that person,

00:24:07.300 this person like Taylor Nolan, who seems extremely arrogant and like she hasn't learned her lesson

00:24:12.500 at all, you just pray that God would soften her heart. You pray that she knows the gospel.

00:24:18.380 You pray that God's kindness would lead her to repentance, as Romans 2 says. Isn't that amazing?

00:24:25.420 That it's God's kindness that leads people to repentance. It's that that leaves us with that

00:24:32.880 gut feeling, that gut-wrenching feeling that, wow, we did something wrong and we need to make it right

00:24:38.300 and we need to take responsibility and we actually need to repent of our wrong. It's God's kindness that

00:24:44.120 does that. And I think that we reflect that by showing God's kindness to other people, sharing the

00:24:51.320 gospel with other people. So our hope is that someone like Taylor Nolan or any leader of these

00:24:58.020 vicious, vicious mobs that we see online, that they would know the gospel, that Jesus would change their

00:25:03.880 hearts, that they would, that he would soften their hearts going from a heart of stone to a heart of

00:25:09.280 flesh. And so that's our reaction to all of this. It's unfortunate that this is the society that we live

00:25:15.760 and that we are so graceless, so merciless, but that also gives us so much hope and such a reminder

00:25:21.860 that what we have in Christ, the gospel that Christians have, is so much better than what 0.99

00:25:27.520 the world offers in the form of a very legalistic secular religion, like social justice and critical

00:25:36.300 race theory, intersectionality, leftism, progressivism. It makes up this very merciless religion.

00:25:43.760 Like you have the tiniest sin. You commit the tiniest infraction and you are out. You're excommunicated.

00:25:51.980 Like there's no grace or love or acceptance or help for you at all. You're just out and people are out

00:26:00.480 for blood. And so thankfully we have a better, we have an alternative. We have an alternative. People are

00:26:08.680 trying and failing to find satisfaction, find hope in this kind of woke religion. And it's always going

00:26:16.340 to turn up empty and it's always going to turn on them as well. But as Christians, the only thing that

00:26:22.960 we have to focus on is not following the rules of the world or the rules of culture, but to love God

00:26:28.700 with all of our heart, mind, soul, and strength, and to love our neighbor as ourself. Do not let anyone

00:26:33.760 tell you that that's not enough. Do not let anyone tell you that, no, you have to read these books.

00:26:38.220 You have to use this language or you have to, um, you have to post this on social media or engage in

00:26:46.240 this kind of performative activism. It's not true. Do not let anyone tell you that it's not enough

00:26:51.160 for you to love your neighbor as yourself and to love God with everything you have, because it is

00:26:56.480 enough. And there's so much peace that comes from that, that knowing that because of that, because of

00:27:01.280 Christ, you are ultimately uncancelable. And you also don't have to be on the exhausting track of

00:27:09.600 trying to constantly cancel other people for the things that they do. Remember, cancel culture,

00:27:14.080 predominantly spearheaded by women and the victims are predominantly women. And this doesn't surprise me 1.00

00:27:21.140 at all. It's the same kind of tactic that we've seen from Satan since the garden. Did God really say,

00:27:26.600 like, did God really say that you're not supposed to condemn other people? Did God really say that

00:27:32.400 you're not supposed to seek revenge? Did God really say to put away all malice and slander and wrath and

00:27:39.220 anger and bitterness and to forgive other people? Did God really say that? Did God really say that

00:27:44.840 you're not in the place of God? Or are you really supposed to be in the place of God? And are you supposed

00:27:50.440 to have the power to try to condemn or redeem people, which is exactly what the leaders of

00:27:55.620 cancel culture try to do? So all of this, again, it's just Satan specifically going after women to

00:28:01.320 turn us against each other in a very simple and a very divisive way. And as Christian women, we need

00:28:06.420 to model a better way. All right, now we're going to switch into talking just a little bit about Trump's

00:28:11.620 CPAC speech and what I think about that. So I wanted to make sure that we talked a little bit about

00:28:21.600 Trump's CPAC speech, because this is a this was a big thing that happened over the weekend. People

00:28:25.980 were very excited to see Donald Trump. And I got to say, it was kind of weird seeing him and listening

00:28:31.860 to him. I didn't watch the entire speech, but I did catch some highlights that we're going to play for

00:28:35.520 you on Twitter. And it was it was just strange. It almost felt like we were back in a different era.

00:28:44.960 Like he just sounded exactly like he always does. And like he always did when he was president,

00:28:51.900 which honestly is what I think so many people love about him is that he doesn't change. Like he is a

00:28:57.500 performer. He is someone who gets energy from the crowd and energy from people's support. And you could

00:29:03.300 tell during the speech that he loved it. Like he had probably missed this big time. A lot of people

00:29:10.140 get energy from being in front of people. I feel like I get energy from giving speeches. Like I always

00:29:15.720 feel really energized and really excited when I have given a speech and when I've talked to a bunch of

00:29:21.340 people at an event. Donald Trump is like that, except I think times like 1000. I mean, the guy is

00:29:27.840 he's like a standup comedian and he just loves to entertain. But in all of that, he said some stuff

00:29:34.260 that I think is really important. Like he knows what people want to hear. He knows what people are

00:29:39.380 concerned about, even though he's not on Twitter. Actually, he probably has some like anonymous

00:29:43.120 Twitter account that he doesn't tweet from, which would be really funny. And I think he just realizes

00:29:50.220 what conservatives care about, the things that we're concerned about. And now he definitely has,

00:29:55.320 you know, now he's seen as kind of, well, I guess he's always been seen as this, even when he was

00:30:00.420 president, as kind of this underdog who has to have this punching bag in order to, in order to kind of

00:30:09.980 make his points and be as entertaining as possible. And he did this in regards to Joe Biden and Joe

00:30:15.360 Biden's policies. I'll play you this short clip first. There's two clips I want to play you. The first

00:30:21.340 one was about kids going back to school. There's no reason whatsoever why the vast majority of young

00:30:26.320 Americans should not be back in school immediately. The only reason that most parents do not have that 1.00

00:30:34.040 choice is because Joe Biden sold out America's children to the teachers unions. I mean, he's

00:30:41.220 absolutely right. And he has been saying this since last summer. And the data that we've talked about on

00:30:46.920 this show that we have combed through a variety of times, we've talked to several guests about,

00:30:53.460 is that it is safe for kids to return back to school. It is safe for kids. It is safe for

00:30:59.520 teachers. It is safe for parents. Unless you have a child who is very vulnerable health-wise, or if you

00:31:08.960 live with maybe a grandparent who's very vulnerable health-wise, it is safe for your child to go back to

00:31:14.540 school. And actually, the risks are much higher for kids to be out of school than for kids to be in

00:31:20.420 school. Now, there are parents and families who thankfully have the opportunity to homeschool their

00:31:25.640 kids. One parent can afford to stay home. I think that's wonderful. I think that's preferable than

00:31:30.460 sending your kids to public school. There are parents who are able to switch their kids to private

00:31:33.880 school. I say praise God, especially if it's a Christian private school. There are parents who have

00:31:38.380 been able to form these kind of teaching pods with other kids, which I'm sure, again, is better than going to

00:31:43.160 public school. I think all of those alternatives are absolutely wonderful for people who can do it.

00:31:48.420 But there are a lot of families who can't afford to do those things. And there are a lot of families

00:31:53.400 and a lot of children who rely on going to public school for their meals, for welfare checks, for just

00:32:00.040 normalcy. A lot of times, unfortunately, public schools are the only institutions that provide the

00:32:05.920 kind of resources that kids with special needs need in order to thrive and in order to stay on track and

00:32:15.340 just remain mentally and emotionally stable and healthy. And that's really true for all students

00:32:21.180 and all kids is that you need that kind of schedule, routine, that socialization to stay stable and

00:32:28.160 healthy and developing the way that young kids are supposed to. But unfortunately, a lot of kids

00:32:36.120 have been placed in front of a screen nonstop in isolation in a dark room for the past year of

00:32:44.160 their lives. And of course, they're struggling. Of course, they're suffering. That's true of all human

00:32:51.380 beings. Again, like I said, human beings are not just malleable products of society. Like we still

00:32:59.920 have a nature that has to be met. As I've said from the beginning of this whole thing is that

00:33:04.260 we are whole people. Yes, of course, we care for the body and we try to prevent deadly sicknesses as

00:33:10.000 much as we possibly can. But we can't neglect people's souls and their hearts and their minds

00:33:15.020 indefinitely. It is not any more compassionate to say, well, I'm just going to keep people inside and

00:33:20.880 keep people locked down in the hopes that they don't catch a virus with a 99% survival rate.

00:33:26.880 But I'm going to encourage policies and restrictions that precipitate mental health deterioration

00:33:37.900 and emotional instability. That is not the more compassionate stance. The more compassionate

00:33:43.740 stance is the balanced stance. And part of being balanced in all of this and actually following the

00:33:49.400 real science is saying kids should be back in school in person. And Donald Trump is absolutely

00:33:56.680 right. That Joe Biden kowtows to the to the teachers unions, the teachers unions still want to get paid

00:34:05.580 with your tax dollars without having to go back to work without having any risk whatsoever. You have a

00:34:11.780 risk, by the way, every year of getting some kind of illness as a teacher. That's kind of just part of

00:34:19.620 the deal. And I know that there are a ton of public school teachers out there, by the way, who want to

00:34:23.400 teach in person. But a lot of these teachers unions and some of these public educators, they don't want to

00:34:29.960 teach in person. They want to get paid and they just want to do the remote learning or they don't want to

00:34:36.360 work the same hours as they were before. And teachers unions are holding kids hostage in order to get

00:34:41.920 political their political agenda accomplished, whether that is like in L.A., whether, you know,

00:34:48.100 they want to defund the police or they want Medicare for all. They're holding kids hostage to try to get

00:34:54.700 their political goals met by the local Democratic officials. And unfortunately, a lot of Democratic

00:35:01.160 officials are kowtowing to these teachers unions who have way too much power. I've told you guys

00:35:07.360 before, I don't believe in public unions. I think they're immoral for our taxpayer dollars to go

00:35:12.580 towards a public union that then turns around and uses our dollars to fund politicians that we don't

00:35:18.880 like, who enact policies that we don't agree with. That's true. Whether you're a Republican or a

00:35:24.000 Democrat, by the way, if we're funding police unions, we're funding firefighters unions, we're funding

00:35:28.840 especially teachers unions. You're probably also funding politicians, again, whether you're on one

00:35:34.920 side of the aisle or another, that you don't like and whose policies you actually think are very

00:35:39.740 detrimental to your community. That's why I think the public unions are completely immoral, unethical,

00:35:44.640 and that we shouldn't have them. And if we didn't have teachers unions, I guarantee you the public

00:35:48.420 education system would greatly improve because we'd have a better chance at school choice. That means

00:35:54.720 that schools would actually be competing in quality and in the services that they provide,

00:36:03.060 and they would be therefore incentivized to spend the money that they have more efficiently. Remember

00:36:08.680 Barack Obama, it was reported by the Washington Post in 2017, his administration had poured billions

00:36:14.880 and billions of dollars into the schools in America that were in the poorest communities and that

00:36:20.600 were seen as the worst performing schools in the United States. After seven years, no positive

00:36:27.060 results, billions of dollars in funds to these schools, no positive results from that. It's not

00:36:32.860 a matter of a lack of money. It is a lack of efficiency and effectiveness in spending. It's also corruption

00:36:39.760 of public school bureaucracy, in part due to the teachers unions. And they're absolutely what is behind

00:36:46.780 the prevention of opening up schools in a variety of areas. Children are always the victims of progressive

00:36:55.520 social experiments. Unfortunately, not just when it comes to school shutdowns that are affecting them

00:37:04.140 so negatively, but also when it comes to this whole gender identity madness. And Donald Trump also talks

00:37:13.220 about that in particular pertaining to women's sports and how unfair it is for males to be competing

00:37:20.760 against girls just because they say that they are girls too. So here's a clip of Donald Trump talking

00:37:27.780 about that. Joe Biden and the Democrats are even pushing policies that would destroy women's sports.

00:37:34.380 A lot of new records are being broken in women's sports. Hate to say that, ladies, but 1.00

00:37:39.820 got a lot of new records. They're being shattered. Young girls and women are incensed that they are

00:37:46.160 now being forced to compete against those who are biological males. It's not good for women. It's not 0.90

00:37:53.880 good for women's sports. So once again, Donald Trump is correct. This is something that most

00:37:58.820 politicians won't talk about. Even Republican politicians won't talk about, at least not on its

00:38:04.060 merits. They might talk about the importance of religious liberty, or they might talk about the

00:38:08.980 importance of a right of privacy, but they won't just talk about the fact that boys shouldn't be

00:38:14.440 competing against girls. Men should not be entering women's spaces, no matter what they identify as, 1.00

00:38:19.520 no matter what they declare themselves to be. It doesn't change biology. And biologically, men and women

00:38:24.100 are very different. And biologically, men in general are much stronger and faster than women. And in many

00:38:31.300 cases, especially in vulnerable cases like in prisons or in women's shelters, they can pose a physical

00:38:37.080 threat to women. And if we care about the rights of women and girls, they have to be sex-based 1.00

00:38:41.180 rights because sexually, biologically, men and women are different. It's crazy. It's beyond me that 0.71

00:38:48.720 we're even having this conversation. And this is why people like Donald Trump, because he's not afraid

00:38:53.160 to wade into the culture wars. He's not afraid to talk about this kind of stuff. Now, there were some

00:38:58.420 things, of course, in the speech that he's not going to let go of. He's not going to let go

00:39:03.700 of the 2020 election. He is going to always talk about how it was stolen and how he really won.

00:39:09.720 And he's talking to him about running in 2024. And apparently, there was a poll that I saw going

00:39:14.780 around on Twitter. The majority of CPAC attendees said that they would vote for Donald Trump or they

00:39:20.920 would support Donald Trump if he was running in 2024. I think coming in second was Ron DeSantis,

00:39:27.240 the Republican governor of Florida. I'm just going to be perfectly honest, guys. I don't want,

00:39:33.380 like, an 80-something-year-old Trump as president in 2024. I just don't. Like, yes,

00:39:40.020 I think that he accomplished a lot. He did a lot of good things. But I don't want him to be

00:39:45.460 president again. I think that he served his time and he did what he was supposed to do.

00:39:49.880 But I think that we need to be looking a different direction. I really like Ron DeSantis. I think he's

00:39:55.220 done an excellent job in Florida. And people who are saying he's just a Trump 2.0, I think that

00:40:01.480 you're wrong. I don't think that he is entirely like Trump, actually. And I don't know. I'm not

00:40:06.080 saying that's good or bad. He's just a little bit more of a politician. I met him several years ago,

00:40:11.540 I think, when he was a state rep or a U.S. representative at some event that I was speaking

00:40:18.400 at. And I think that he, I don't know, maybe he was speaking at, too. But so I don't know him

00:40:23.920 personally. But from what I've seen, he has led Florida very well. I mean, people are flocking to

00:40:30.200 Florida because of the freedom and because their numbers, as we talked about last week,

00:40:35.300 in comparison to New York and California and even Texas, they're good. They're good. And his vaccine

00:40:40.980 rollout plan has been much better than the vast majority, if not all blue states. And so I think

00:40:48.300 that he is showing himself to be a really good executive leader. I am partial towards people

00:40:55.160 when it comes to presidential primaries who have executive experience. That's part of why in 2016,

00:41:02.440 I didn't support President Trump. Actually, who I voted for in the Republican primary did not have

00:41:08.820 executive experience either. But I did not support President Trump in the 2016 primary. I voted for

00:41:15.140 someone else. But I actually do typically prefer someone who has experience as a governor. I do

00:41:22.020 think that it helps. Not always. But in DeSantis' case, I think he is making a very good case for

00:41:29.080 himself that he would be a good leader of the country. And so I like Ron DeSantis, and I would

00:41:34.740 prefer him over Donald Trump in 2024. For people who are saying that, oh, you know, he'd be a great

00:41:41.800 vice president like Trump 2024, DeSantis on the ticket. No, why would we waste that? Like, we

00:41:48.360 want him if he's not going to be president, we want him to stay governor of Florida. Like, we want

00:41:52.920 Florida to stay free. He's being a good leader there. And Florida would probably vote for Trump

00:41:58.860 anyway, no matter who was on the ticket. And so we don't need to take someone from Florida, put them

00:42:04.780 on the ticket. It's just a waste. It's a waste of talent. In my opinion, it's a waste of votes.

00:42:09.420 And so I don't want Ron DeSantis to be a vice president. You know, the vice president doesn't

00:42:13.520 really do all that much. I like Mike Pence. I think he did a good job. But the vice president

00:42:19.240 doesn't do all that much. And I think Ron DeSantis is in a position to have a different kind of

00:42:25.540 leadership role than that. And so am I troubled by the potential of Donald Trump being the nominee

00:42:33.240 in 2024? I'll just say we've got a long way to go, people. We've got a long way to go.

00:42:39.180 He would not be my first pick. I'll just be perfectly honest with that.

00:42:44.620 But I know for a lot of people, like a lot of people just like love Donald Trump. And there was

00:42:50.220 this this like golden statue of Donald Trump that was being wheeled around CPAC and that people were

00:42:57.700 making fun of. And it was a little I'll be honest, like it was a little disconcerting to see.

00:43:04.920 It did look like an idol. Now, Tommy Ziegen is the statue sculptor. And he said he told the

00:43:11.540 Washington Times, this is not an idol. And it was just, you know, no one's worshiping this.

00:43:17.600 Nobody is making sacrifices to it. This is a sculpture. And liberals don't know the difference

00:43:20.820 between a sculpture and an idol. That's all I can say. And of course, I don't think that he meant to

00:43:25.160 make this an idol in any way. I think he was just making a golden statue because he likes Donald

00:43:30.740 Trump. Did it look kind of weird? Yes. Do I think that some people do worship Donald Trump?

00:43:36.880 I do. Whether or not they would say it. But I do think that there are some people who idolize

00:43:41.360 Donald Trump, who see him as some kind of messiah that's going to save America from destruction

00:43:46.620 and see him as some kind of like demigod almost. And I do think that that is problematic and dangerous

00:43:53.680 when we elevate anyone, whether it's a bachelor contestant or a social media influencer or a

00:44:00.480 podcaster or a politician, when we elevate anyone to the place of like being our savior or messiah,

00:44:04.880 I think that's problematic. Now, this particular statue, I don't think is necessarily emblematic of

00:44:09.920 that. I think it just happened to look kind of sketchy. And I think that if there were a golden 0.94

00:44:16.800 statue of like Kamala Harris or Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden at a liberal conference, I think

00:44:21.780 conservatives would all be saying the same thing that, oh, my gosh, liberals are constantly idolizing

00:44:26.580 politicians like you put politicians in the government in the place of God. And we do say

00:44:31.140 that, by the way, because there are these like votive candles that you see for sale with like Dr.

00:44:36.980 Fauci looking like some kind of patron saint on there or Kamala Harris or Joe Biden kind of, you know,

00:44:44.560 on these votive candles that are supposed to, I don't know, show them as the saints of democracy

00:44:52.800 or something like that. And conservatives have made fun of those things. And I'm sure that no one is

00:44:57.640 actually worshiping and bowing down to those politicians and Dr. Fauci. But I don't think it's

00:45:04.400 good. I think it's sacrilegious. And so I think that we should be fair, like both sides make fun of the

00:45:09.580 other side for doing things like this. And of course, as Christians, we refuse any idolatry,

00:45:13.920 whether it's of a politician or certainly Dr. Fauci or a celebrity or anything like that. We can

00:45:19.540 appreciate someone without bowing down to them. And of course, I think that we need to be sure to

00:45:24.760 draw that line. There's one other thing that I was going to note about CPAC. People were freaking out

00:45:29.320 because the shape of the stage at CPAC, and we'll put a picture up, it's apparently the same as like

00:45:37.840 some kind of Nazi symbol, not a swastika, but some kind of

00:45:43.920 Nazi symbol. And people are saying, of course, this is a dog whistle. And they're just flaunting

00:45:50.820 their Nazi-ness, whatever. And Alyssa Milano was calling for people to boycott Hyatt. Hyatt came out and

00:45:58.560 said, look, what? Basically, just stop. And so good for Hyatt for not latching on to the social media

00:46:07.920 madness. I'm sorry. I promise you I would be saying this if this were a Democratic conference

00:46:13.880 and people were accusing Democrats of this. I promise you I would also be saying, come on,

00:46:20.320 come on. You really think? You really think that someone did this intentionally? You really think

00:46:26.460 that someone was like, oh, this is a really good idea to design the stage in a Nazi symbol because we

00:46:32.720 secretly love Nazis? That doesn't even make any sense. You understand that conservatives are

00:46:38.920 constantly calling the left and their kind of cancellation tactics fascists that conservatives

00:46:46.560 don't see any affiliation or association between themselves and the Nazi regime. It just doesn't

00:46:54.920 even make any sense. I mean, I think the people on the left have this weird fetish and fixation

00:47:01.140 on Nazi symbolism and look for it everywhere. And it's really unhealthy. And I promise you,

00:47:08.080 if someone were leveling this kind of accusation towards someone on the left, that the stage design

00:47:13.500 was supposed to be incongruent with Hitler or something like that, or some Hitler-type symbolism,

00:47:20.560 I promise you that I would also be saying, are you serious? So let's take a step back from

00:47:27.160 silliness, you guys. Maybe that's the theme of this episode. Let's take a step back from silliness

00:47:32.540 and from constantly being outraged by things by which we should not be outraged. And let's remember

00:47:42.340 what's important. Give a little bit more grace, a little bit more forgiveness, a little bit more

00:47:47.640 understanding, and treat people how we want to be treated, even when we disagree, because I disagree

00:47:52.820 with a lot of people a lot. And there's a lot of people whose ideas I think are bad and dangerous,

00:47:57.440 and I think that's all well and good, and we can talk about that, and we should talk about that.

00:48:01.200 But let's not try to get whipped up into a frenzy about everything. All right,

00:48:07.220 that's all I got to say today. I'll be back here tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 01, 2021

Ep 377 ｜ 'The Bachelor' Cancel Queen Gets Canceled

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