Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 382 ｜ How Pro-Life Evangelicals for Biden Got Duped ｜ Guest： Rep. Chip Roy

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. As promised, we are going to talk about H.R.

00:00:16.340 1 today. That is the bill that has to do with our voting processes here in the United States and

00:00:22.840 why it is so troubling and so disastrous and what we actually need to know about it,

00:00:28.200 what we need to know about the state of it, where it is now. I'm going to talk to Congressman,

00:00:34.160 Congressman from Texas, Chip Roy, on what H.R. 1 is. We're also going to talk about the border

00:00:40.560 crisis. We'll talk a little bit about the growing debt as well. Then I want to talk about this

00:00:47.020 statement that was released by some evangelicals who voted for Biden, who now say that they are

00:00:53.600 feeling betrayed. As you may expect, I have some thoughts about that. But first,

00:01:01.480 my conversation with Congressman Chip Roy. Here he is.

00:01:09.880 Congressman, thank you so much for joining us. There's so much that I want to talk to you about

00:01:14.860 today. Let's start out by talking about H.R. 1, a bill that has been passed in the House under the

00:01:23.060 guise of protecting election integrity. Is that what this bill does?

00:01:27.860 Well, no, great to join you. Great to be on the show. And, you know, it's H.R. 1 for a reason,

00:01:32.000 right? These guys named their bills, you know, a certain number in order to get priority. And

00:01:35.520 this was their first out-of-the-box priority for the Democrats, the federal takeover of elections.

00:01:40.460 And that's what this is. This is a bill that would take all of the decisions we like to make in Texas,

00:01:46.200 where you and I live, or any state union, and they'd go put it in Washington for federal bureaucrats

00:01:51.440 to tell us how we vote. And importantly, they would be increasing the very problems that we

00:01:56.600 experienced in November, right? They would be taking, for example, ballot harvesting and putting

00:02:01.060 it on steroids. They would be increasing mail-in ballots, not decreasing it, even though there's

00:02:05.680 general bipartisan agreement that mail-in ballots are much more ripe for fraud.

00:02:09.840 They would be expanding mail-in ballots. They would be making it to where we're paying

00:02:14.520 for the campaigns of politicians who want to hold office for members of Congress. And they would be

00:02:21.420 collecting private information on people, which makes it a lot easier to use it for doxing and

00:02:26.380 going after people. And really, it's cutting down on the First Amendment and free speech. And it's

00:02:30.800 wrong. And you and I both know the elections have very strong problems in November. Democrats didn't

00:02:37.800 like the result in 16. We didn't like the result in 20. We should restore integrity. And that's why

00:02:42.560 it should be state-based reforms. And that's what I'm supporting.

00:02:45.680 And what do you think is the real motivation behind a bill like this to try to centralize

00:02:51.480 these processes in the name of, you know, honorable and honest elections?

00:02:58.220 Well, that's exactly right. You hit the nail on the head. They like to name these things so that it

00:03:02.080 sounds like they're doing something nice and wonderful. But in truth, what they're doing is rather

00:03:05.580 pernicious. And what I support is reform at the state level in Texas and across the nation.

00:03:10.440 And I'm working heavily with groups in D.C., as well as legislators in Texas, the Texas Public

00:03:15.260 Policy Foundation and think tanks to try to advance the kind of reforms we want to see.

00:03:19.700 What are those? Limited limits on mail-in ballots, getting people to vote on Election Day.

00:03:24.520 When you do have mail-in ballots, have signature matches, have barcodes between the envelopes and

00:03:29.320 the ballots so you can track them. Make sure that you can have voter identification to make sure you know

00:03:35.080 who's voting. Democrats don't want any of that. In fact, their bill in H.R.1 would limit the use of voter

00:03:40.340 ID. And you ask why. Why is very simple. Democrats only are concerned about power. They're not actually

00:03:46.460 concerned about figuring out how we can have true and fair elections where we have the rule of law

00:03:51.060 completely supported. They want to make it to where, for example, any of the hundreds of thousands

00:03:56.120 of people pouring across our border right now in southern Texas would be able to then come in and vote.

00:04:00.860 And you think I'm making that up. It's true. That's what the Democrats are saying. They want

00:04:05.140 anybody to be able to vote, regardless of their voter ID, any human being who happens to be present.

00:04:09.860 And these are people that don't have a stake in our elections by law, right? You're supposed to be

00:04:15.940 a citizen of the United States. It's purposeful. They want to do it for political gain. We want to

00:04:20.720 enforce the rule of law and protect the citizens and protect our elections. And that's what we're

00:04:24.340 working to try to do. This also lowers the voting age to 16, correct?

00:04:29.620 Well, there was an amendment to lower the voting age to 16, which, thank goodness, it failed. But

00:04:34.840 it allows them to register at 16 to get in queue. And so you can go around to high schools and try

00:04:39.740 to get everybody registered at 16 and 17 before they turn 18. They tried to actually pass voting

00:04:44.720 at 16. They would love to. They did try to. It does include increased voting rights for

00:04:49.760 felons. And for, unbelievably, they wanted people to be able to vote in jail as well. I think we 0.98

00:04:54.960 actually were able to kill that one. But there's no limit to where they want to go with this stuff.

00:05:00.240 Can you talk a little bit more? You mentioned at the beginning of your first answer,

00:05:03.880 ballot harvesting. Can you explain a little bit more about what that is and why people should be

00:05:08.060 concerned about that? Sure. And I'm really glad you asked that question because people don't know,

00:05:12.940 right? I mean, there's a whole cottage industry, particularly in the Democrat circles,

00:05:17.500 where their goal is to go out and try to force people into registering a certain way or voting

00:05:22.940 for certain people. And so it's one thing if you are helping a loved one and you go pick up a ballot,

00:05:29.620 they fill it out, they put an envelope, you grab it and you go take it to the registrar. You go take

00:05:33.780 it to a drop off. That's fine. That's what you do for family or loved ones or friends. What the

00:05:38.400 Democrats have been doing is they have a whole concerted effort to go out and basically shove ballots in

00:05:43.380 front of people, get them to sign, register, or actually vote a certain way and kind of, you know,

00:05:49.660 encourage a certain voting pattern or direction, particularly among the elderly and the infirm who

00:05:54.160 can't get to go to vote in person. And that's the kind of harvesting they're doing. Putting a sign

00:05:59.420 that then that is right for additional fraud and abuse because you've got paper ballots and who's

00:06:03.940 voting and do you have an extra ballot that someone can fill in, all of that stuff is problematic. But

00:06:08.480 ballot harvesting is really the purposeful effort to use pressure to go around and try to gin up and

00:06:13.440 get votes rather than an individual exercising their voter conscience alone in the voter's booth.

00:06:19.920 The ACLU a couple of years ago actually came out against HR1 for the reason that you listed that it

00:06:27.200 is a threat to free speech, to political speech. Can you explain that a little bit more, how this is an

00:06:32.680 assault on the First Amendment? Sure. Well, what they're trying to do is go after and target,

00:06:37.480 particularly donors who are giving to organizations and try to then get that information and make it

00:06:43.760 public so that people can then be targeted. I mean, how often did you see, I mean, you guys see it on

00:06:48.660 social media, people will go after people if they make a certain statement or maybe someone will post

00:06:54.640 somebody's address or phone number and go after them simply because they're exercising their free

00:06:59.500 speech rights. Well, this would do that for dollars that you're giving to candidates or to organizations.

00:07:04.200 If you were a donor and you wrote a check, $100 or $10,000 to a 501C, you know, three or C4 or some

00:07:12.180 organization and they're, you know, out, you know, with some sort of message, then people can go target

00:07:18.140 them. And we think that's wrong. And, you know, I think social media has just amped that up so that

00:07:23.460 people can easily get doxxed and targeted. And for this reason, for the record, by the way, not to change

00:07:28.580 topics, I took a hiatus from social media back in mid-January. And my life has been eminently better

00:07:34.080 over the last eight weeks without getting on Twitter and seeing that cesspool every day. But

00:07:38.960 that's what they want to do. They want to use social media to target people.

00:07:42.760 Right. And like you said, people already feel, especially on the Republican side, intimidated

00:07:47.060 enough. They already self-censor their views, whether it's on social media or I saw a recent study that's

00:07:53.460 even among friends. They feel like they can't actually state their opinion if they voted for

00:07:57.600 President Trump or they're on a conservative side of the issue. So you're saying that this just amps

00:08:02.480 that up and potentially ratchets up the consequences for people's legitimate political stances, right?

00:08:11.500 No, that's exactly right. And that's what I'm most concerned about, right? We're seeing the targeting of

00:08:15.600 you, of me, of everybody that shares our values and beliefs. It's happening on the floor of the House

00:08:20.160 Representatives, right? We're getting canceled. Colleagues of mine for simply exercising their

00:08:24.960 rights in free speech and debate. They're being told that, you know, they can't either serve on

00:08:29.540 committees or they may not be able to co-sponsor a bill. We've got organizations that are now being

00:08:35.320 canceled. You know, we're seeing this every single day and students feel it in schools where they're

00:08:41.040 being targeted. And this is just amping that up. And you're basically having the federal government

00:08:45.420 say, we're going to centralize and federalize elections. We're going to make sure that if you

00:08:50.100 are putting your free speech at work and you're funding an organization you believe in or a

00:08:55.320 candidate you believe in, we're going to highlight that. And we're going to make sure that's publicly

00:08:58.980 known so you can be targeted. And we're going to basically step up all of the things that were

00:09:05.400 causing the concerns of fraud in the elections in November. And there's one last important point.

00:09:09.300 In 2005, former Democrat President Jimmy Carter joined with James Baker, the former Republican

00:09:15.820 Secretary of State, and they together issued a report on voter fraud. And what they found was,

00:09:22.640 was that mail-in ballots had a much higher degree of voter fraud. This year, we had 65 million ballots

00:09:29.380 cast nationwide by mail, which was a massive increase, so more than doubling, I believe,

00:09:34.300 of previous levels of mail-in ballots. And this is part of the reason why we had so many concerns

00:09:38.940 and so many late nights trying to figure out the results of our election. We're a modern democracy,

00:09:44.740 modern republic. We should not be waiting to figure out who won an election because we have

00:09:49.720 no idea and we can't trust our election. Right. And Republicans are rightly concerned about this.

00:09:54.620 Of course, we want the outcomes that we want. But I think more than anything, people just want a

00:09:59.140 transparent process that they can trust. And of course, we understand that all processes are fallible

00:10:05.640 because they're made up of fallible human beings that can be prone to mistakes and unfortunately,

00:10:11.040 you know, could commit some kind of fraud. But for the most part, we want to trust the integrity of

00:10:17.040 our institutions, that our vote is going to count the way that it's going to count. So I know you

00:10:21.640 already mentioned a few reforms that you're pushing for, but can you give any encouragement to

00:10:26.860 conservatives, Republicans that are already worried about the midterms, they're already worried about

00:10:30.960 2024. And they're wondering, does it even does it even matter? Like, should I even vote? Should I even

00:10:35.900 care about this stuff? If basically we live in a country where the process is completely muddled?

00:10:42.540 Well, the good news is where you have states with governors and legislatures who believe in the rule

00:10:46.780 of law and believe in what we believe in, good things are happening. Florida, Texas, other states

00:10:51.920 where we had actual sensible elections, we were able to know the results of our elections pretty quickly.

00:10:57.740 We were able to have pretty strong faith in those elections. Now, let me be clear. There's still

00:11:02.360 work to be done. Let's make sure that we improve our voter rolls. Let's know who's on them. Let's

00:11:06.980 make sure, as I'm going to do by introducing legislation soon, to require the Department of

00:11:11.800 Homeland Security to work with states to ensure that we only have American citizens on voter rolls.

00:11:16.940 We're going to keep working to do that. But go work at your state legislatures. If you're listening to

00:11:20.900 this, go down to your state capitals. Make sure that this year, this year, they pass the kind of

00:11:27.180 reforms that we need to pass to make sure we have belief in our systems. If you're in Pennsylvania,

00:11:31.800 don't just sit back and be frustrated. Go in and require your Republican legislature—it's a

00:11:36.820 Republican, by the way—to pass the laws that you want them to pass to require, for example,

00:11:41.840 signature matches. They failed to do that last time. That allowed a secretary of state to exploit

00:11:47.020 that. Go fix it. Do that in Georgia. You have a Republican governor, secretary of state, 0.78

00:11:52.240 Republican legislature. Go down. Force them to change the laws. Georgia is working on that now. 0.96

00:11:57.980 Other states are, too. So take it to your own hands. Don't sit back and complain. We can fix this.

00:12:03.220 And what is the state, just for the most recent update that we can get, what is the state of H.R.1

00:12:09.620 right now?

00:12:10.120 So the H.R.1 has passed out of the House, unfortunately. We don't have the majority.

00:12:16.000 The Republicans were unanimous against it, I believe. But it's gone over to the Senate. And so

00:12:20.620 now the question is, what's going to happen there? Our hope is that senators like Joe Manchin,

00:12:27.100 maybe a couple of others, recognize how important it is not to blow up the filibuster. That is,

00:12:32.080 not to get rid of the 60-vote threshold and make sure that they aren't able to jam this through

00:12:37.640 with simply 50 votes plus Kamala Harris. So if you live in West Virginia, make sure that Joe Manchin

00:12:43.700 knows that you believe in election integrity and you don't want this farce of a bill to be jammed

00:12:48.840 through the Senate. If you're in Arizona, call Kristen Sumner. If you are somewhere else, make

00:12:53.760 sure that you're making sure your senators know that because that's where it sits. And we don't

00:12:58.600 want to have this passed through on a 50-vote deal with Kamala Harris breaking the tie as the 0.86

00:13:03.680 vice president. So make sure that's known and that they feel the heat.

00:13:09.560 And one last thing I hope that you can give people advice on when people are talking about

00:13:14.300 this on social media or maybe they're discussing with politically inclined family members or

00:13:19.780 friends who say that this is a bill that is just trying to root out voter suppression, that voter

00:13:25.600 suppression is such a big issue in this country. And Democrats are just trying to make sure that

00:13:29.740 everyone who wants to vote can vote fairly. That's the kind of line, the PR that we're hearing

00:13:34.760 from the left. And of course, it's a tactic used to say that, you know, Republicans, conservatives,

00:13:39.820 they want voter suppression. They only want certain kinds of people to vote. How can people kind of

00:13:44.880 push back on that line in a factual and a concise way?

00:13:51.500 Well, first of all, it has never been easier to vote than it is right now today, anywhere in the

00:13:57.900 history of mankind than it is in the United States of America, the ability for anyone to get to the

00:14:01.780 polls. We have large numbers of polls. We have early voting. We have mail-in ballot and absentee

00:14:07.940 procedures. Frankly, we probably need to tighten those down a little bit and make it easier to vote

00:14:12.100 in person on Election Day for people who work and so forth rather than having these extended times.

00:14:18.180 But you can push back to talk about how easy it is for people to get access to the polls,

00:14:22.660 where we have voter ID requirements. People can get free IDs in any state if they need it to vote.

00:14:28.560 But importantly, don't be afraid to stand up on your belief that the rule of law matters,

00:14:33.780 that voter ID matters, that being able to say the integrity of our election should be dependent on

00:14:37.860 knowing that a citizen with a voter identification that can prove that they're a citizen, that they vote.

00:14:42.900 Don't be bowed in the corner because the other side says that we're a bigot,

00:14:46.660 because we simply believe in the rule of law. That's what's happening. That's when you hear

00:14:51.220 people throw around fancy terms like voter suppression. What they're telling you is you're

00:14:56.020 a bigot. You don't want certain people to vote. That's a lie. You know it's not true. You know your

00:15:01.620 heart. I know that as a Christian, I want all people to have access to be able to go forth and

00:15:06.660 prosper in the Lord's kingdom that we're taught to love everybody and to help everybody. We all believe

00:15:12.980 that. And we want everybody to have access to the polls. We also believe the rule of law matters,

00:15:17.460 that the rule of law makes people's lives better. The reason people flock to the United States is

00:15:22.100 because of the prosperity the Lord has blessed us with when we give credit to him and also enforce

00:15:26.660 the rule of law. So don't be afraid of it. Don't be shy from it.

00:15:29.540 And that's a perfect transition into what I want to talk about next. Something that gets

00:15:34.980 just so muddied in conversation, especially among Christians, is what's happening at the border. As

00:15:40.740 a representative from Texas, I'm interested to hear your take on this. Of course, as someone who,

00:15:47.860 you know, we obviously believe in compassion and helping the least of these. We also, like you said,

00:15:54.600 believe in the rule of law, which means we believe in the sovereignty of our country,

00:15:58.840 that that is the best and most effective way to protect the lives and the livelihoods of the

00:16:04.580 citizens inside this country, which means protecting and guarding the borders. But unfortunately,

00:16:10.520 there seems to be a catastrophe happening down there right now. There are illegal immigrants trying 1.00

00:16:16.520 to get in wearing Biden t-shirts. Can you just tell us a little bit about what's going on,

00:16:21.380 separate fact from fiction? Sure. Well, we can talk for an hour about this,

00:16:25.940 but I'll try to do my part to keep it concise, which is this. The status at the border is tragic.

00:16:31.140 It is a crisis. It's a real problem. American citizens are endangered and immigrants are 1.00

00:16:36.180 endangered. Look, the fact is that the Biden border crisis, which that's what this is,

00:16:40.980 the Biden border crisis, is a direct result of his decisions and the decisions of his administration

00:16:46.660 not to enforce our laws, to turn away from the policies that were working from

00:16:50.420 the previous administration, to stop building infrastructure to help our border patrol secure

00:16:56.020 the border. And as a result, it's now currently a lot easier for illegal to come across our border

00:17:02.740 and into the United States and into facilities and then potentially have COVID and go out in our

00:17:07.460 communities than it is for an American citizen to get access to the capital of the United States.

00:17:12.020 This Democrat regime in Washington running Fort Pelosi in the capital has a fence with razor wire

00:17:18.020 around the capital and American citizens can't get access to the people's house.

00:17:22.100 But meanwhile, we literally have hundreds of thousands of people pouring across our border.

00:17:26.100 And here's the thing. You mentioned compassion. As a Christian, I've gone down and spent the night

00:17:31.940 at the border talking to kids, talking to families, literally spent the night as they're coming through

00:17:36.420 the middle of the night and they're seeking border patrol and going to a facility so they can get

00:17:40.260 caught and released into the country. If I were them, I would be doing the same thing. I'd be trying

00:17:46.020 to find opportunity in the United States. I do not begrudge that. But go then talk about the danger to

00:17:52.020 immigrants and the danger to American citizens as a result. Because when our border patrol are distracted 1.00

00:17:57.780 having to deal with the humanitarian crisis, they're not stopping the cartels. They're not stopping

00:18:02.660 fentanyl. They're not stopping dangerous actors. Where we have people coming in from Haiti, from Iran,

00:18:08.340 from Indonesia, from all over the world, we find people coming across the border. And meanwhile,

00:18:13.380 children are getting sold into the sex trafficking trade. They're being held in stash houses under

00:18:18.660 the thumb of the cartels. They then end up being essentially modern day human slavery. That's the

00:18:23.940 result of an administration that in the false name of compassion is saying open borders is somehow good

00:18:29.780 for immigrants. It's a lie. Again, don't let them get away with that. That is not compassionate. It is not 1.00

00:18:35.460 Christian. That's not something we should teach at the pulpits. We should love people. We should

00:18:39.700 help them. When you have a baby at your doorstep, you figure out what to do with that baby. But you

00:18:43.940 don't perpetuate a system that attracts people to break the law and then encourages cartels to use

00:18:49.860 them for profit that ends up endangering them and the lives of American citizens in the process.

00:18:54.900 That is incompetence and the Biden administration should be ashamed.

00:18:58.100 Exactly. It's a superficial and duplicitous form of compassion that actually

00:19:04.340 ends up hurting the very people that are supposed to be the beneficiaries of that empathy as well as

00:19:10.260 everyone else. The final thing that I want to discuss with you is your no debt resolution. That's

00:19:16.180 K-N-O-W. But I'm guessing there's a little bit of a play on words there. Could you tell us what that is?

00:19:25.220 Yeah, well, you know, I served on the budget committee in the last Congress. This Congress,

00:19:28.340 I moved over to the Judiciary Committee. But it's one of those things that I notice up here is that

00:19:32.420 nobody actually focuses on that number that just keeps ticking up. And, you know, we've now surpassed

00:19:37.380 $28 trillion of debt. And, you know, if you set out to count to $28 trillion, one Mississippi, 0.54

00:19:44.420 you know, one per second, it would take you 875,000 years. I mean, think about that. That's how much debt

00:19:51.060 we are saddling our kids and our grandkids with it. And here's the most important part.

00:19:55.300 We are funding the tyranny against our freedoms. That's what we're doing. Every time we do this,

00:20:00.740 we're borrowing money, racking up debt, and we're spending trillions of dollars more than we're

00:20:05.780 taking in in order to fund the very bureaucrats that are not teaching our kids. And we're funding

00:20:11.220 the teachers unions while they shut our schools down. Or if they do teach our kids, they teach our 0.68

00:20:15.460 kids that America is evil, or that God doesn't exist, or that you're crazy for believing in God.

00:20:20.420 We're funding the very DHS that is now, instead of securing our border, is a welcoming map for,

00:20:26.340 essentially, the cartels to endanger immigrants and American citizens. We're funding China. We're 0.97

00:20:31.700 funding Iran. We're funding endless wars. We're funding Planned Parenthood. These are the things 0.89

00:20:36.980 we continue to do by borrowing money and risking the physical health of our country. So I put the

00:20:42.900 No Debt Act out there. Last Congress was bipartisan. I hope it will be this Congress,

00:20:47.700 where we have a clock running in every committee room so that you know what the debt is,

00:20:53.380 and you have to look at it when you're making the decisions that affect the American people.

00:20:56.900 So it's the No Debt Act, and it would put a clock in each committee, a debt clock.

00:21:01.220 And hopefully would accomplish some kind of accountability. It does seem like the bigger

00:21:06.420 the number gets, the more people forget about it and just kind of feel like it's

00:21:10.580 something that doesn't really matter, something that's not real. I think that we can't really

00:21:15.940 comprehend a number that big. So we almost just kind of think of it as a figment of our imagination

00:21:21.620 and something that doesn't have real consequences. But it does, not just for our generations,

00:21:26.340 but for the generations to come. So I hope this passes. I hope this works. I hope it accomplishes

00:21:33.860 some kind of accountability in those who are, you know, kind of, they're just willy-nilly about,

00:21:42.660 to use a non-formal term, about the debt. So thank you so much for pushing for this. Thank you so much

00:21:51.060 for pushing for accountability in a lot of areas. Can you just end with some encouragement for people

00:21:57.060 who feel like, oh my gosh, things are just kind of spiraling out of control, and I don't know if the

00:22:01.700 country can get better. Can you end us on a positive note? Well, sure, of course. I mean,

00:22:07.220 look, this is the greatest country in the history of the world. It still is. We're all very frustrated.

00:22:11.380 But, you know, people of faith, we know that the Lord is sovereign and that he's got a plan. And

00:22:17.380 there's a lot of people up here working really hard. It may not seem like it. We're working hard to push

00:22:21.700 back. I believe the momentum is with us. I believe that Democrats are overreaching. I believe that this is

00:22:26.980 going to be very clear. I think that the virus, as bad as it was, has lifted the veil on a kind of

00:22:32.820 dark education system that the American people now have a pretty good view of what it's been doing to

00:22:37.860 our kids over these years. I think people are starting to get a real glimpse into the underbelly

00:22:43.060 of the beast of what the radical left wants to do in remaking this country. And I don't think the

00:22:46.980 American people are buying it. And we're supposed to be happy warriors and march forward knowing that

00:22:50.980 that we're only on this planet for a brief blip. And our job is to try to preserve liberty so we can

00:22:56.740 advance the mission of Christ. That's why we're here. And so I hope that people keep moving forward

00:23:01.780 and hold your elected officials. Me too. Hold us accountable to represent what you believe.

00:23:08.100 Yes, sir. Well, thank you so much, Congressman, for your time.

00:23:11.780 Thank you. God bless.

00:23:20.980 All right. So let's talk about let's talk about this statement that was released. The blaze dot com

00:23:29.300 reports it this way. Pro-life evangelical group that backed Biden shocked to find out they have been,

00:23:35.460 quote, used and betrayed by a pro-abortion president. So obviously there's some tongue in cheek

00:23:40.260 in that reporting by the blaze. But it's very hard at this point not to kind of have that attitude. I

00:23:47.700 mean, we talked about a couple of weeks ago or actually it was last week. It was last Thursday

00:23:52.420 when I did the whole rant on evangelicals for Biden. And, you know, I got a lot of feedback about

00:23:59.420 that. Most of it positive. Obviously, there are plenty of people who identify as Christians who

00:24:05.240 voted for Biden who are very happy with their vote. They are still very proud and confident in

00:24:10.780 the decision they made. But I did get some messages and some comments from people saying,

00:24:15.500 you know, I'm not quite sure that I regret my vote, but I do understand what you're saying.

00:24:19.960 And I understand how there may have been some policies that I didn't think through

00:24:24.740 before the election. And to people like that, I think that we should be completely and totally

00:24:29.980 gracious because there are things that they disagree with us about of for why we voted for

00:24:35.380 Donald Trump. And obviously, I believe that they made the wrong decision. I think that I've made

00:24:39.540 that abundantly clear. But at the end of the day, if Christians are going to join hands,

00:24:44.480 if true followers of Christ are going to join hands and to stand up against, for example,

00:24:48.560 pro-abortion policy or the Equality Act, then we have to be willing to be humble and to be

00:24:55.380 gracious towards people on the other side of the aisle or people who voted in a different way

00:25:00.460 according to their conscience. Now, this particular group that released a statement,

00:25:07.920 it's a little bit harder. It's a little bit harder to come from a place of understanding towards

00:25:12.800 them because these are people who should have known better. So let me tell you some context

00:25:17.920 about this statement and then I'll read some of the statement and then we'll get into a little

00:25:21.180 bit more analysis. So according to The Blaze, quote, a group of pro-life evangelical leaders

00:25:26.340 who banded together to support the election of President Joe Biden in the 2020 election

00:25:30.420 are now expressing shock and dismay that the Democratic politician who has towed his party's line

00:25:36.000 on abortion is somehow betraying their movement and using taxpayer money to pay for abortions.

00:25:40.800 They were also concerned about racism, poverty, health care, child care, and minimum wage,

00:25:45.920 but they were not going to give up on the life issue. That's what they said. That's why they said

00:25:51.440 they voted for Joe Biden because they wanted, I guess, subsidized health care for everyone.

00:25:57.020 They cared about alleviating poverty. They cared about racism. They cared about,

00:26:01.180 I don't know, subsidized child care and raising the minimum wage. Now, I think that voting for a Democrat

00:26:06.900 based on these issues is completely misinformed, completely misinformed, partly because some of

00:26:14.040 these issues are not issues the Democrats have provided any kind of good or solid or effective,

00:26:22.860 efficient solution for. And partly because some of these issues aren't the issues that Democrats paint

00:26:29.960 them to be. And so I think that there's a lot of misinformation if those are the reasons why

00:26:36.360 someone voted for Democrats. I understand there's just differences of opinion, and I am more than

00:26:41.240 happy to talk about, to discuss, to debate policy differences. I think that's if we can stay there,

00:26:47.160 if we can just talk about policy differences when it comes to presidents, when it comes to political

00:26:51.180 candidates, I think we're in a good place. The fact of the matter is, is that I don't think a lot of

00:26:56.680 people who voted for Joe Biden really thought through those policy issues. It was more from

00:27:01.140 what I have gleaned is that Trump is really bad, that he is supremely racist and divisive 0.99

00:27:07.460 with Joe Biden. We're going to get some level of moderation and normalcy and kindness and integrity, 0.60

00:27:13.380 and we'll be able to influence him in the way of, you know, being pro-life. And I think that these

00:27:20.040 people who thought that are realizing that that is a lost cause, that that's never going to happen.

00:27:27.180 The article goes on, in an open letter posted over the weekend, the pro-lifers who invested in the

00:27:32.020 Biden campaign now say they feel, quote, used and betrayed by the Biden administration and decry the

00:27:37.220 fact that the COVID relief package the Senate passed over the weekend excludes the Hyde Amendment,

00:27:42.980 which prevents tax money from being used to fund abortion. So the COVID relief package, that's

00:27:48.900 something that we also haven't talked about quite yet on this podcast. There's so much in the news

00:27:53.780 that we could talk about and in culture and going on in the church, that it's impossible to cover

00:28:00.320 everything. But this huge COVID relief package over a trillion dollars, just adding to the debt that we

00:28:07.140 just talked about with Congressman Roy, only a tiny sliver of this COVID relief package had anything to do

00:28:13.760 with actual COVID relief. Hardly any of it is going to alleviate the suffering that so many people who

00:28:21.340 found themselves unemployed and found themselves in isolation and in difficult positions over the

00:28:26.580 past year because of government restrictions and the shutting down of the economy. Hardly any of this

00:28:32.880 so-called relief is actually going to relieve those people. But instead, it pushed forward a planned

00:28:41.260 parenthood priority, which was to make sure that taxpayer money funds abortion. Now, we've talked about on this

00:28:48.880 podcast, the Hyde Amendment. The Hyde Amendment has protected traditionally for decades since the 1970s,

00:28:57.740 the late 1970s, I believe, after Roe v. Wade. It's protected taxpayer dollars from funding, federal

00:29:05.460 taxpayer dollars from funding most abortions. And this is mostly been bipartisan. So while Democrats have

00:29:13.140 been traditionally pro-choice and saying that it should be a woman's choice when she wants to get

00:29:18.100 an abortion in most cases, the left has moved far to the left on this issue, not only moving the

00:29:25.380 moving the the week of gestation when abortion should be allowed, but also getting rid of this

00:29:33.340 bipartisan support of the Hyde Amendment. It is very obvious now that the pro-abortion lobby has taken

00:29:39.880 over the Democratic Party, and they now believe that it should not be safe, legal and rare, which is what

00:29:46.160 the mantra was 20 years ago. It's what Hillary Clinton even said that it was a few years ago.

00:29:52.500 Now it is through nine months for any reason funded by the taxpayer without apology. The National

00:29:59.700 Catholic Register explains it this way. On Saturday, the Senate passed the $1.9 trillion American Rescue

00:30:06.240 Plan of 2021 by a vote of 50 to 49, sending the legislation back to the House to be reconciled and

00:30:12.400 passed again. The relief bill, which includes funding to vaccine distribution, economic relief

00:30:17.180 and stimulus checks, does not include abortion funding restrictions that previous relief bills

00:30:23.260 were subject to. Thus, pro-life leaders have warned that the billions of dollars in health care spending

00:30:28.020 under the legislation could be used to fund abortion providers such as Planned Parenthood or subsidize

00:30:34.320 abortion coverage in health care plans. Senator James Linkford, a Republican from Oklahoma,

00:30:39.820 attempted to insert a Hyde provision into the legislation specifying that the funds could

00:30:44.700 not be used for elective abortions. The measure failed to receive the necessary 60 votes for inclusion

00:30:50.760 in the bill, but it was supported by three Democrats. All three Democrats that did support that ultimately

00:30:58.100 supported the bill on its final passages. All Republicans voted against it, except for Dan Sullivan

00:31:04.480 and independent Bernie Sanders and then another senator as well. A group of House Democrats last week asked

00:31:15.180 President Joe Biden, who now opposes the Hyde Amendment after being a longtime supporter, to not

00:31:20.500 include the policy in the 2022 fiscal year budget. COVID relief bills in 2020 did keep the policy intact,

00:31:28.820 including the CARES Act, which passed Congress in March 2020. That bill had provisions prohibiting

00:31:34.200 funding of abortions and was also tailored to exclude Planned Parenthood from emergency small business

00:31:39.200 loans. Planned Parenthood affiliates, however, did ultimately apply for and unlawfully receive $80 million

00:31:44.960 in emergency loans from the Small Business Administration. And obviously, we understand that

00:31:53.060 Planned Parenthood is not a small business. They also already received $500 million in taxpayer funding per

00:31:59.640 year. But the Hyde Amendment is supposed to protect that money from funding directly abortions. Of

00:32:06.100 course, we understand that they are able to move that taxpayer funding around. And so they were very

00:32:14.100 likely already using our taxpayer funds to fund abortion. But now there's not even a pretense of

00:32:21.040 protection. Now, Rand Paul was apparently successful in preventing the Senate, the Senate coronavirus

00:32:29.500 relief bill from including a provision that would provide PPP assistance to Planned Parenthood across

00:32:35.800 America. But there are still concerns that our taxpayer dollars are going to be funding abortion through

00:32:44.500 other means. So the version is going back through the House. This is the Joe Biden approved

00:32:50.440 version and was also constructed by Democratic Senator, the Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer. And that is

00:33:00.120 why the pro-life evangelicals for Biden are so frustrated by this whole thing, because Joe Biden is

00:33:07.180 approving of taking away Hyde Amendment protections to make sure that our taxpayer dollars don't fund

00:33:13.360 abortion. So here's part of what the letter says. As pro-life leaders in the evangelical community,

00:33:18.640 we publicly supported President Biden's candidacy with the understanding that there would be

00:33:23.000 engagement with us on the issue of abortion and particularly the Hyde Amendment. The group's letter

00:33:27.500 said the Biden team wanted to talk to us during the campaign to gain our support, and we gave it on the

00:33:33.700 condition there would be active dialogue and common ground solutions on the issue of abortion. There has

00:33:39.700 been no dialogue since the campaign. Now, why in the world would they believe that there would be any

00:33:49.180 dialogue from the candidate who said openly and plainly that he did not support the Hyde Amendment?

00:33:57.140 Like, why would they think that this president, as progressive as they come when it comes to these

00:34:03.800 types of issues, would care at all after he got their votes? I mean, there's been a lot of things

00:34:10.300 that Joe Biden has decided that he's not going to do. He said that those $2,000 relief checks were going

00:34:16.740 to leave the door immediately. That obviously didn't happen. They're $1,400 relief checks, and people still

00:34:22.860 have not seen them. He said he was going to cease deportations. Apparently, that hasn't happened. Not

00:34:29.200 that I think that that's a bad thing, but that's something that he promised. Progressives, he

00:34:33.600 promised, I guess, to compromise on abortion with the evangelical, pro-life evangelicals for Biden.

00:34:39.740 That's not going to happen. I think a lot of people voted for him, like we said, in the hopes of

00:34:45.100 moderation and normalcy and kindness and togetherness, and we tried to warn you. We tried to tell you that's

00:34:51.000 not going to happen, that Kamala Harris is the most rabidly pro-abortion vice president that we've ever 1.00

00:34:57.020 seen. She was the most rabidly pro-abortion attorney general of California when she served in that 1.00

00:35:03.560 position. She was the most rabidly pro-abortion senator when she was a senator. That is in close 1.00

00:35:11.480 competition with the nominee for the HHS secretary, Xavier Becerra, the competition meaning between who

00:35:20.520 was the most rabidly pro-abortion attorney general of California. They both targeted pro-life centers.

00:35:29.620 They both targeted any kinds of protections for unborn children when they served in that position.

00:35:35.380 And so Joe Biden has showed his hand on this issue, OK? He's not just pro-choice. He's not

00:35:41.080 personally pro-choice, but in policy, or he's not personally pro-life, but in policy, pro-choice.

00:35:46.620 He is pro-abortion. It is a pro-abortion position to say that taxpayers must be forced to fund

00:35:56.260 elective abortions. That is a pro-abortion position, not a pro-choice position. If it was really about

00:36:02.940 pro-choice, then they would allow us the choice of whether or not we want to fund abortions, but rather

00:36:08.100 they are forcing us to pay for the killing of unborn children. That is a pro-abortion position that the

00:36:15.240 pro-life evangelicals for Biden, I guess, thought just wasn't going to happen. I have no idea why.

00:36:21.700 Like, it at least developed some kind of healthy cynicism about the promises that most politicians

00:36:26.860 make to try to get your support. Black Lives Matter also came out and said, hey, we supported

00:36:32.180 Joe Biden, and now we're not getting anything in return. We haven't even had a conversation with him.

00:36:36.580 Of course, you guys. Of course. He's a Democratic establishment politician who has his agenda,

00:36:44.300 who is going to do what his handlers tell him to do. And one of the things that his handlers are

00:36:49.700 telling him to do is to make sure that abortion is funded by the taxpayer through all nine months

00:36:56.200 without restriction or apology. That is the road that he is on. And evangelicals for Biden,

00:37:02.300 especially the so-called pro-life evangelicals for Biden, you were duped. And I don't feel bad.

00:37:08.580 I mean, I don't feel bad that you were tricked into this because all of the warning signs were

00:37:13.340 there. It's not like he told you guys that he actually did support the Hyde Amendment. He said it.

00:37:19.160 He said it. I mean, this is not even like a wolf in sheep's clothing. This is the wolf coming out and

00:37:24.020 be like, hey, I'm a wolf. And then pro-life evangelicals for Biden writing an open letter saying,

00:37:29.840 I'm very disappointed and betrayed that this wolf who told us that he was a wolf is actually a wolf.

00:37:35.860 We thought that he was going to be a sheep. You put the sheep's clothing on him and you tried to

00:37:40.360 manipulate other people into thinking that he was a sheep. He's not. He told you he's a wolf and he is

00:37:44.880 a wolf and he's coming out as that. Rapidly pro-abortion, the Democrats are, including Joe Biden,

00:37:50.380 and you had no business supporting him. Now, I don't think that you had to have voted for President

00:37:56.860 Trump to be on the right side of history. That's something that people like to say or to be right

00:38:01.980 or to be sufficiently Christian. I know a lot of solid Christians who did not vote for either

00:38:06.780 candidate, but to vote for the guy who is this pro-abortion, who is now taking your money to fund

00:38:13.340 the slaughter of unborn children when he told you he was going to do that. And now you're saying that

00:38:18.220 you feel betrayed and shocked and dismayed. I don't know what to tell you. We told you guys,

00:38:25.440 we pointed to it. We told you guys this was a wolf. We told you over and over and over again.

00:38:32.860 And what did you vote for? You voted for some vague idea of kindness and decency. Is it kind? Is it

00:38:40.200 decent to take your money to fund the killing of unborn children? I mean, what have you gotten in

00:38:45.560 exchange for your vote? What, boys being able to compete with girls sports? Poor migrants flooding in 1.00

00:38:53.760 at the southern border with Biden let us in t-shirts on? Like, what have you gotten in exchange for your

00:39:00.380 vote? Nothing good. Nothing good. I guess that you don't hear President Trump anymore, that you don't

00:39:06.860 have to deal with his antics, that you don't have to deal with his tweets. Was it a worthy exchange?

00:39:12.620 Was it not having to be annoyed by the rhetoric of President Trump in exchange for funding

00:39:19.420 the slaughtering of babies? I don't think it was a good trade, guys. I don't. And hey, if you are now

00:39:26.900 coming out and saying, you know, I really regret this decision and I'm willing to, you know, go on

00:39:35.280 the pro-life side and fight for pro-life legislation and for pro-life policies, then I will link arms with

00:39:41.680 you. Of course, I would love to fight that fight with you. I would love to push back against darkness

00:39:47.480 with you. I'm not going to hold your vote against you for the rest of your life. I have no place,

00:39:51.460 no responsibility, no role, no right, no desire to do that. Of course, I am not in any way saying that

00:39:59.120 I am better than you or superior to you, but I will say that we warned you. We warned you. And so now

00:40:06.400 it's time for you to don some humility and to don some repentance and to say that you just made a

00:40:13.700 mistake. You don't feel betrayed. You don't feel betrayed. Don't come at me with that. You

00:40:17.400 don't feel betrayed. You were duped somehow, even though the wolf told you that he was a wolf and

00:40:24.420 you need to take responsibility for that. And then we can come together and we can push back against

00:40:28.740 the darkness that we're seeing. But I also want you to remember this, okay? Remember this in the

00:40:32.760 midterms. Remember this in four years when Democrats are once again telling you that,

00:40:37.820 hey, religious people, hey, Christians, we care about your issues. We care about moderation when it

00:40:41.840 comes to abortion. Sure. We believe that girls are girls and boys are boys. Sure. Yeah. We believe in

00:40:47.200 protecting women's rights. Sure. Yeah, definitely. We believe in. I want you to remember. I want you

00:40:53.100 to remember this, okay? You're going to be betrayed over and over again. What did I say last week?

00:40:57.480 That you have linked arms with a party and with people who hate you. They hate you. And that doesn't

00:41:03.720 mean that the Republican Party is perfect by any stretch of the imagination, because I certainly

00:41:07.780 don't think so. I just don't. I think there are so many problems with Republicans. There are so many

00:41:12.860 Republican politicians that I don't like or agree with that I think are just feckless and futile and

00:41:18.340 completely just not at all in line with the things that I believe. But the Democratic Party is driven

00:41:27.540 by now a left-wing ideology that hates you, that hates your values, that hates everything that you

00:41:34.920 believe in. And they will continue to use you over and over again, only for you to feel, quote,

00:41:40.880 betrayed and shocked and dismayed. And I'm trying to help you get off of that hamster wheel. It's

00:41:48.020 exhausting and it's going to continue to disappoint you. All right. That's all I've got for today.

00:41:54.320 I will be back here tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 09, 2021

Ep 382 ｜ How Pro-Life Evangelicals for Biden Got Duped ｜ Guest： Rep. Chip Roy

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