Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 394 ｜ Voter Suppression in Georgia？

00:00:00.000 hey guys welcome to relatable happy tuesday hope everyone's having a wonderful day so far

00:00:16.280 so yesterday you guys gave me such universally positive wonderful encouraging feedback

00:00:22.960 from yesterday's episode and i'm just so excited about that we did decide to take kind of like a

00:00:28.980 positive spin on the whole lil nas x i don't know if that's how you pronounce his name uh his satan

00:00:35.520 shoes that have like a drop of blood in them and his music video and you guys really enjoyed that

00:00:42.140 and so i appreciate that thank you so much for your comments thank you for your messages and for

00:00:46.120 your feedback and for and for sharing it i really do appreciate that and one thing that i pointed out

00:00:51.040 on instagram pertaining to what we talked about yesterday because remember the shoes have

00:00:56.920 luke 10 18 on them and we rejoiced over the fact that the word of god is not going to return

00:01:01.860 void also god is not going to be mocked also god is not going to allow anyone satan especially to

00:01:09.840 steal his glory so he works things out for his glory and all good and are good and we know that that's

00:01:17.140 what he is going to do through this as well as atrocious and disturbing as it is and the fact

00:01:23.960 that you guys were encouraged by uh the word of god yesterday in this podcast in the gospel reminders

00:01:32.480 that we actually got ironically uh through talking about this kind of uh dark trend of glorifying satan

00:01:41.500 that we're seeing means that the word of god is already not returning void like it means that god is

00:01:46.980 already getting glory for this if you guys were edified through us talking about this subject yesterday

00:01:52.500 that means that god is already accomplishing something good and positive and glorifying

00:01:59.160 through what was meant for harm and what was meant for satan's glory god is turning it around

00:02:05.840 redeeming it and using it for his own glory so already we are seeing god do that if you guys were

00:02:11.500 encouraged through scripture and the word of god yesterday through us talking about something

00:02:16.140 so dark and depraved so already praise god like we can already praise god for that and just to

00:02:24.360 reiterate what we do in response to something dark and depraved is not to be scared of the darkness

00:02:30.700 because the light isn't scared of the darkness darkness uh scatters when a lamp is turned on when a

00:02:37.200 light is turned on um we double down on the gospel we double down on loving god and loving our neighbor

00:02:43.600 and so we have every reason to be excited and to rejoice if you haven't listened to yesterday's

00:02:48.560 episode i encourage you to go do that if you're looking for something encouraging and the craziness

00:02:53.360 that characterizes our current culture just throughout an alliteration there because i love alliterations

00:02:59.080 all right today we we did theology yesterday we're doing some more politics today and we're going to

00:03:05.520 talk to georgia governor uh governor kemp um about the election law and what it means because you're

00:03:17.000 probably hearing that in georgia they are they just passed a bill that turned into a law that is

00:03:24.680 jim crow 2.0 it's all about voter suppression it's apparently trying to get minorities in georgia

00:03:32.220 not to vote and so i'm going to interview him talk through the facts and separate them from the

00:03:39.340 fiction and the sensationalized media coverage when it comes to this law and we're going to talk about

00:03:45.680 what it actually achieves what it actually accomplishes and i know a lot of you georgians are

00:03:50.940 just americans in general who were disappointed in the results of the presidential election in particular

00:03:57.620 in georgia i'm going to ask him about some of that i'm going to ask him uh the questions that you guys have

00:04:04.680 such as why did it take this long why are the reforms only happening now is it too little too late

00:04:11.300 and can georgians truly be confident in their voting process moving forward i know that's something

00:04:17.360 that a lot of you guys uh really care about before i actually get into the interview i'm going to set

00:04:23.540 us up and give us a little bit of context because the reason i wanted to talk to him for about 10 or

00:04:28.600 12 minutes um is because i wanted him to kind of address the direct criticism that he has gotten from

00:04:35.180 stacy abrams and other democratic activist groups but um i want to give you some context before we get

00:04:43.020 into that so you can be fully prepared to understand once i start talking to governor kemp so let me read

00:04:50.220 you uh some of the facts uh about this law that governor kemp just signed so this is according

00:04:57.180 to nbc news quote the 95 page bill adds a spate of changes to the state election process it will

00:05:04.440 dramatically shorten runoff elections from nine weeks to less than a month and cut the early voting

00:05:09.520 period required for runoff elections from three weeks to one week in january runoff elections sent

00:05:15.040 democratic senators rafael warnock and john ossoff to washington securing the party's

00:05:20.200 majority in the senate the law allows the legislature to appoint the chair of the state

00:05:26.420 election board previously the board was chaired by the secretary of state the current secretary of

00:05:31.560 state brad raffensperger republican sparred with trump over the accuracy of the state's election the bill

00:05:38.000 also allows uh that state election board to take over county election administration this is another

00:05:46.700 thing that's contentious the law will require mail-in voters to include their driver's license numbers

00:05:52.240 or other documentation to verify their identities instead of using signature verification drop boxes

00:05:58.620 can be located only inside election offices and early voting locations curbing their usefulness so you can

00:06:05.060 already tell that nbc is editorializing this and they are only trying to list the things that

00:06:12.200 the left sees as negative in this bill and again that's why i think it's so important to separate

00:06:17.760 fact from fiction but you can see that they're editorializing when they say something like curbing

00:06:22.320 their usefulness there's always another side to the story especially when you see a comment like that

00:06:27.120 it also shortens the window to request absentee ballots people will be prohibited this was the big

00:06:32.640 thing that you probably heard that this is cruel this is specifically trying to um trying to make it

00:06:40.840 harder for minorities to vote uh people will be prohibited from taking food and water to voters

00:06:46.020 waiting in line which has become common in past georgia elections in which voters have waited extremely

00:06:50.620 long hours to cast ballots in the past of course this report does not talk about where specifically

00:06:56.960 uh it has taken longer for georgians to vote they're typically counties that are run by democrats

00:07:04.480 governor brian kemp uh signed the bill into law immediately mark elias an election lawyer with

00:07:12.020 prominent democratic clients announced a lawsuit he says that these new measures in this law violate the

00:07:19.600 14th amendment and the voting rights act georgia democrat stacy abrams founder of the voting rights

00:07:25.240 group fair fight said in a statement that the law was blatantly unconstitutional and nothing less

00:07:31.440 than jim crow 2.0 uh democrats obviously opposed uh the passage of the bill and then also uh this was a

00:07:42.220 crazy thing that you guys probably saw and i didn't get the chance to ask governor kemp about this

00:07:47.420 um so democratic state rep park cannon was arrested as she knocked on the door uh to the news conference

00:07:54.620 or uh knocked on the door to the news conference when governor kemp was signing this bill she was

00:08:00.400 dragged through the capitol in handcuffs it's a little dramatic but president joe biden appeared

00:08:05.660 to refer to some of george's proposals earlier in the day when asked about the voting restrictions in

00:08:11.280 his news conference he said that it's sick that you can't bring people water and so even the president

00:08:16.680 of the united states is weighing in on this according to the ap like i said it's not just drawing

00:08:22.700 criticism but it's also drawing uh lawsuits quote in a letter to more than 90 000 parishioners bishop

00:08:28.720 reginald jackson who presides over more than 400 african methodist episcopal churches in georgia

00:08:34.760 said the law is quote racist and seeks to return us to the days of jim crow jackson is calling for

00:08:41.180 corporate leaders at companies like coca-cola and delta to speak out in opposition and so he's also

00:08:45.980 saying that if these companies that are based in atlanta don't speak out in opposition to what he is

00:08:50.960 calling this racist law they're going to organize boycotts um against these businesses but here's

00:08:58.660 the question and this is obviously what we're going to get into with governor kemp as well but i just want

00:09:04.480 to speak to some of the accusations um that are being made georgia radio host eric erickson he has

00:09:11.940 talked a lot about this bill you might know that he is he's anti-trump and he also did not believe

00:09:17.060 that there was fraud in the presidential election at all um in particular in georgia but he talks

00:09:24.520 about uh this law and how the left has it wrong when it comes to this narrative that this is jim crow

00:09:30.940 2.0 that it's not uh right for you to not allow people who are standing in line to get food or water

00:09:41.040 he kind of debunks some of this stuff and he does it in a different way than governor kemp is about

00:09:46.480 too so this is not going to be um this is not going to be repetitive information i think it's

00:09:53.260 important to point out eric erickson's uh perspective on this as well so according to an article that he

00:09:59.040 wrote he says under georgia law electioneering at polling locations is prohibited but in progressive

00:10:05.300 enclaves local democrats in charge of polling locations have allowed democrat activists to pass

00:10:10.800 out food and water while urging votes for democrats and so this is why this was a part of this law

00:10:18.520 because uh passing out food and water while people are in line has been used by democratic

00:10:25.040 activist groups to electioneer electioneering is supposed to be something that's against the law

00:10:31.780 within a certain amount of like within 150 feet of a polling location democrats have claimed in the past

00:10:40.020 this is not electioneering um it's just taking care of those in long lines but he points out in

00:10:46.040 2018 left-wing activists in planned parenthood t-shirts passed out water in itunes gift cards

00:10:51.000 in the sixth congressional district of georgia last year left-wing activists passed out water with left-wing

00:10:57.560 group logos affixed to it it was electioneering that local officials denied was electioneering that

00:11:03.900 loophole has now been closed and so that's what this is about it's not about oh we don't want people

00:11:10.300 to have food and water actually eric erickson points out um that this law also allows there to be food

00:11:17.420 trucks and there are lots of ways that people can get rejuvenated and get refreshed if they want to

00:11:24.720 according to this law but it tries to close this loophole uh that a lot of left left-wing in particular

00:11:32.540 activist groups were using in order to electioneer which like i said is supposed to be against the

00:11:39.480 law um water and food eric erickson said will be permitted within 150 feet of a polling location

00:11:45.360 provided it is set up by poll workers and is unattended by non-voters outside the 150 feet you

00:11:51.220 can have food trucks bans whatever else you want so long as they stay 25 feet from the actual voter

00:11:56.520 line that's very normal by the way this is not just the state of georgia

00:12:00.520 that has this kind of 150 feet boundary voters will be allowed to leave the line and come back

00:12:06.540 into line without penalty so they can get food and drink and so this whole idea that people are

00:12:11.060 going to be starving that they're going to be parched when they're standing in line it's just

00:12:15.120 not true it's a completely false narrative the legislation now adds eric says mandatory early

00:12:21.040 voting on two saturdays which adds a saturday from what is now happening and also allows populous

00:12:26.760 areas to pick a sunday for early voting too yes it reduces the number of overall days for early

00:12:33.000 voting which is the only thing nbc pointed out but it expands weekend voting the legislation requires

00:12:40.320 that absentee ballot requests be submitted at least 11 days before an election as a standalone

00:12:45.800 measure this idea passed with bipartisan support then he talks about the requirement for voter id

00:12:53.200 he talks about a university of georgia poll in which a majority of voters regardless of race

00:12:58.600 political affiliation gender or ideology actually supported having to have a voter id in order to

00:13:05.560 vote and again if you don't have a if you don't or not a voter id but just an id in general if you do

00:13:11.720 not have an id in the state of georgia the state will give you one for free right there so this is not

00:13:18.320 in any way in in uh in inhibition for someone who is actually a citizen to be able to vote it doesn't

00:13:25.680 matter what your socioeconomic status is it is extremely easy to get an id so you can vote that

00:13:31.780 whole narrative that it's easier to buy a gun in the united states than it is to vote is just not true

00:13:37.560 that's not true on any factual basis whatsoever it is extremely easy to vote and actually this bill in a

00:13:43.980 lot of ways this law now actually makes it easier in some ways for people to vote while still trying

00:13:50.200 to tie some of the loose ends that led to vulnerabilities that could make the process

00:13:56.100 vulnerable for fraud eric erickson says democrats are right that the election reform bill was done

00:14:02.440 in response to democrats winning in november that's at least eric's perspective but they are wrong that

00:14:08.980 it is a way to steal or suppress votes what republicans had to do was get republican voters to be

00:14:13.960 convinced that fixes have been deployed to stop democrats from stealing the election now so we've

00:14:20.620 heard kind of both sides of this now i want to hear what governor kemp has to say because he's gotten a

00:14:25.160 lot of criticism from both the left and the right but in particular in response to this bill of course

00:14:31.520 there have been accusations of racism and jim crow leveled against him and so um i just wanted to see

00:14:37.520 what his response was to those things and i know a lot of you are looking forward to that insight as well

00:14:42.160 so without further ado here is governor kemp

00:14:46.260 governor kemp thank you so much for joining us we've got a lot of good questions to ask you so

00:14:57.180 uh pertaining to this law which you just signed critics as you know are calling this a law uh

00:15:02.820 in effort toward voter suppression stacy abrams said that this is jim crow 2.0 rafael warnock the

00:15:10.420 senator from georgia said that this is like a 9-1-1 emergency for uh for democracy the naacp black

00:15:18.800 lives matter activist groups we've got the president of the united states democratic party saying that this

00:15:23.520 is all an atrocious law just trying to suppress the vote specifically of the minority population

00:15:29.260 in georgia can you speak to those critiques um if there's any validity to them i'm guessing you don't

00:15:37.180 think that there are and what does this bill actually do if not those things yeah well thanks for

00:15:44.300 having me on i think probably the best thing i could say is that unbelievably even the washington

00:15:50.340 post has given president biden four pinocchios uh on his statements the other day about this bill

00:15:57.280 look this bill makes it easy to vote and hard to cheat it replaces a arbitrary signature match

00:16:03.400 process with a voter id requirement which is free in georgia it secures ballot drop boxes that never

00:16:10.760 existed in the law before i signed this bill it requires our county elections officials to tabulate

00:16:17.960 ballots until every vote is counted not starting and stopping like we saw in the last election

00:16:23.940 and then believe it or not this bill actually gives people more opportunity to vote early

00:16:29.840 especially on the weekends here in georgia and president biden i want to talk about this specific

00:16:35.100 claim because this is kind of the talking point that i have seen circulating even in some parts

00:16:40.560 of conservative media that was reiterated by president biden that this is um part of the law

00:16:47.160 is cruel it's sick he said deciding in some states i guess he means georgia that you cannot bring

00:16:53.180 water to people standing in line waiting to vote deciding that you're going to end voting at five

00:16:59.240 when working people are just getting off work critics are saying this is going to disproportionately

00:17:03.960 affect minority voters who sometimes have to wait in line longer so what's this about is it true that

00:17:11.080 these people can't get food and water brought to them in line well it's just factually not true uh it's

00:17:18.040 also a little bit concerning that even some conservative media got this point wrong um and i

00:17:23.800 think it's really you know just like the president a lot of people just really haven't taken the time

00:17:29.020 to know what's in the bill um for whatever reason they're just believing all the activists on the whole

00:17:35.300 jim crow 2.0 which that domain name was reserved weeks ago even before people knew what was going to

00:17:42.700 be in the final version of the bill which shows you how ridiculous but also how orchestrated

00:17:48.300 this whole thing is it has nothing to do ali with what the nuts and bolts are of the bill it has

00:17:54.640 everything to do with an agenda and a narrative for people to profit off of this and also to push through

00:18:01.640 hr1 at the federal level which is an unconstitutional takeover that joe biden and senator warnock and

00:18:09.520 everybody else up there is trying to do um and and this whole thing about water is ridiculous the

00:18:15.560 county elections officials can provide a water station for the voters the voters can bring

00:18:20.320 food water drinks whatever they want to when they're standing in line to vote but with your when

00:18:26.980 you're within that 150 foot buffer uh within 150 feet of a polling location we're not going to allow

00:18:34.500 people to electioneer you and provide you water or drinks or hand out pamphlets or you know get you

00:18:41.620 food if you want to order food yourself you can if you want to bring it you can but the other question

00:18:47.080 i've told people is why are people standing in line in some of these counties that are run by democrats

00:18:52.700 where they would even be in line long enough to need water or drinks it shouldn't take that long

00:18:58.940 and if the democrats and the activists and the president would take time to actually read this

00:19:03.940 bill they would realize that the general assembly has put in um you know mandates on the amount of

00:19:12.220 equipment that have to be at every precinct based on population counts and time counts during the

00:19:19.160 election that will speed up the process so people don't have to stand out there for three or four hours

00:19:23.700 when they're trying to vote in georgia and the whole idea that you're taking something away

00:19:28.140 from people having the ability to vote i mean the washington post fact check clearly stated today that

00:19:34.780 what president biden was saying about the ability of working people to be able to vote is ridiculous

00:19:40.060 we're going to have two mandatory saturdays for all 159 counties in georgia to have early voting open

00:19:47.000 they can if they want to choose two additional sundays for people to be able to vote and as you

00:19:53.720 know uh the polling hours are very generous during the early voting period that lasts three weeks in

00:19:59.400 georgia as well as what we have on election day and i want to go back to something that you said at

00:20:05.220 the beginning of that answer which was very informative you talked about the domain name

00:20:09.620 jim crow 2 was actually bought before this bill was finalized before it was signed and i just

00:20:16.400 went to it jim crow 2 and it gives all of this information i guess this is stacy abrams and her

00:20:22.120 kind of activist groups and so the pr push against this bill was it started long before the bill was

00:20:31.320 finalized which i think is really important for people to know that that people are acting like

00:20:37.260 rafael warnock for example he flew in from dc he's acting like oh my gosh this is an emergency

00:20:42.400 the reality is a lot of this reaction was pre-planned and there are even some lawsuits

00:20:49.220 that are now being filed can you talk about some of that opposition and what you think is

00:20:55.080 actually behind it because the changes that you're describing i i have a hard time seeing how they're

00:21:02.380 truly that controversial well i don't think they are and and it doesn't matter you know their playbook

00:21:08.900 was written before they even knew what was going to be in the bill i think they must have thought

00:21:14.060 it was going to be a lot worse than it ended up being uh at the end of the day there's even

00:21:18.400 provisions in this bill alley that the democrats recommended in other pieces of legislation that got

00:21:24.980 you know combined in into this piece of course you're not hearing that either but i think for

00:21:30.560 people you know even you know people of color other minorities in our state when they really

00:21:36.440 figure out what's in the bill what the facts are they're going to realize that a lot of these people

00:21:41.240 that are supposed to be representing them or being advocating for them you know for them are actually

00:21:47.020 advocating to line their pockets or have an agenda that they're trying to push in washington dc

00:21:52.460 like the unconstitutional takeover of elections with hr1 and they're going to figure out that what these

00:21:59.700 people are against is expanding voting access on the weekends particularly an additional sunday to

00:22:06.580 mandatory saturdays and they're also against having a simple voter id requirement on absentee ballots by

00:22:13.860 mail that will speed the process up make it non-arbitrary like it is now and secure the ballot i think most

00:22:22.600 people in georgia and across the united states are for those things and that's what all of these people

00:22:27.200 are now against including every democrat in the general assembly voted against that right one thing

00:22:33.700 that i found interesting was that uh this law allows the legislature to appoint the chair of

00:22:39.520 the state election board rather than the board being chaired by the secretary of state someone that

00:22:45.500 georgians actually elected so if this bill is about transparency and integrity can you talk about

00:22:50.540 why that change was made yeah that was really a legislative push there but i will point out that that

00:22:56.540 this person has got to be a non-partisan type person so i think it'll be fine uh the other thing is the

00:23:02.620 the state election board you know i chaired it for a long time as secretary of state it's a bipartisan

00:23:07.740 board the republicans get an appointee the democrats get an appointee the house and the senate gets an

00:23:14.280 appointee and it's been that way for a long time it was that way when the democrats were in control they

00:23:19.540 controlled the board when republicans took over in 2002 when governor sonny perdue was elected

00:23:25.680 uh and shortly after took the house to to claim all three branches of government you know obviously

00:23:31.900 it went under republican control um so the secretary of state will still be an ex-officio member of this

00:23:38.900 i know he doesn't you know probably like that provision but i know he's supportive of the bill

00:23:43.540 and um actually one of his folks made some great points on cnn last night about what the bill

00:23:49.800 actually does and what the truth is versus what the narrative is that they're pushing out there

00:23:55.000 that's not the truth right a lot of republicans are excited to see these kinds of reforms but you've

00:24:01.480 got some republicans that are saying look this is too little too late why weren't these kinds of

00:24:06.180 changes made before the 2020 election obviously there were a lot of georgians disappointed

00:24:10.420 not just in the results of the election but also in the entire process what do you say to those people

00:24:16.860 well i mean look nobody knew we were going to be dealing with a worldwide pandemic and we would

00:24:22.640 have a 350 percent increase in absentee ballots by mail a lot of those decisions were made and

00:24:29.500 encouraged by uh the secretary of state the state election board which is a you know constitutionally

00:24:35.940 uh set up here in georgia so it's not like the secretary of state's an appointee of the governor

00:24:41.760 you know like they are of the president or even the state of florida you know they appoint their

00:24:46.860 secretary of state in tennessee the legislature elects the secretary of state in georgia the secretary

00:24:52.180 of state is a statewide elected official they have constitutional duties and authorities and

00:24:56.960 i think that was where a lot of the confusion were uh from people pointing bangers at me

00:25:01.900 uh i you know he doesn't work for me he's elected by the people just like i am and they will hold him

00:25:07.440 accountable with a lot of those decisions that were made and things that were done uh were decisions

00:25:12.500 that were done under the public health state of emergency so legislative fix fix would not have

00:25:18.280 necessarily uh addressed those issues i mean normally in georgia you have 95 to 97 percent of the people

00:25:25.900 that vote in person showing their photo id um this last election that was not the case because of covid

00:25:33.520 and because of you know absentee ballot request forms being sent out to every voter and a lot of other

00:25:40.640 things that were going on and different narratives that were out there and this is my last question do you

00:25:46.280 anticipate when it comes to this bill the lawsuits being filed um or against this law uh do you think that

00:25:52.940 they'll be successful do you think parts of this law do you foresee them being struck down or can

00:25:57.500 georgians who want election integrity be pretty confident that this is going to hold up well i can

00:26:03.340 assure you you you know we'll be fighting in the courtroom just like we've fought through the

00:26:07.440 legislative process and i've been doing that for a decade now with all these third party groups it

00:26:13.020 doesn't matter what the policy is their agenda is to be against it and to sue regardless of what's in

00:26:19.500 the bill and this is a great example of that you know i've been fighting lawsuits and other things

00:26:25.760 since you know 2010 and 11 and up through 13 and 14 and um it's just that's also part of their

00:26:34.740 playbook unfortunately uh so we'll go to the courtroom but we're gonna hire the best legal team that we can

00:26:40.920 to defend the laws of the state which is what we're supposed to do and i think we'll be very successful

00:26:47.240 you know a lot of these things and and ali i think it's important for for your listeners and other

00:26:52.040 people to know these aren't things that were done in the last day or two of the session uh speaker

00:26:57.660 raulston had a committee that's been working on addressing these issues ever since the aftermath of

00:27:03.540 the election that started back in 2000 at the end of 2020 and then the legislative process this year

00:27:11.660 our session started in the middle of january and these ideas and issues have been worked on and

00:27:17.500 vetted by both chambers they were different um and then there was consensus that was built on the final

00:27:23.400 bill that was passed just a few days ago so this issue's been worked on for months now not just a

00:27:28.840 few days like the left wants people to make you think so they've been well thought out there's been a

00:27:34.300 lot of good attorneys that look to make sure they make constitutional muster and i believe that they will

00:27:39.900 right well thank you so much i really appreciate you taking the time to answer these questions i know

00:27:46.180 the georgians that listen to this podcast there's a lot of them are going to really appreciate your

00:27:50.020 insight and your clarity on this so thank you so much thank you very much thanks for having me on

00:27:54.460 all right so i hope that answered some questions for you you've probably seen a lot of

00:28:09.860 people living outside of georgia talking about this law and this is a way like governor kemp said of

00:28:15.380 trying to push hr1 which we've talked about and which i'm going to talk about in just a second and

00:28:21.500 we talked about with representative chip roy a couple weeks ago go back and listen to that if you

00:28:25.820 haven't already but it's really important for us to look beyond the headlines if we want any hope of

00:28:33.640 being able to function cohesively as a country which i understand many of us have given up hope

00:28:41.800 on then we have to be committed to the truth that doesn't mean that i feel like i have a monopoly on

00:28:47.360 truth as i've told you guys a million times i know that i'm coming from a conservative christian

00:28:51.400 perspective that is my worldview that's going to color my conclusions that doesn't mean that i am

00:28:56.520 trying to approach things with confirmation bias like i'm trying to only see that which aligns with me

00:29:02.740 i that's not my desire at all i truly try to see the truth as it is and i never intend to lie to you

00:29:10.340 guys but that doesn't mean that i don't get it wrong that doesn't mean that i'm not human infallible

00:29:14.300 and finite and that um i have perfect access and knowledge of everything that is true that's why i

00:29:21.200 always tell you guys go read the bill go read the law for yourself go do your own research try to look

00:29:27.820 both sides of the issue people ask me all the time how do you try to kind of navigate through all the

00:29:34.940 different pieces of information that are out there that come from the left and the right and the truth

00:29:39.140 is and it's the unfortunate truth is that you can't really just read one outlet that describes a

00:29:45.060 particular story or particular event and think that you are going to get a comprehensive understanding

00:29:51.140 of a particular issue because there's going to be slight editorializing um and a slight bias that

00:29:59.080 you might not even notice like we talked about with the nbc article that was describing what is

00:30:03.800 in this bill nbc is left wing and so even though they want this article to come across as news to come

00:30:10.220 across as objective because that's what they purport to be you can actually see a little bit of

00:30:14.980 editorializing in it that they're only talking about what they perceive to be the negative parts of the

00:30:19.840 bill they don't talk about adding days for early voting they only talk about the shortening um

00:30:25.400 they don't talk about the fact that the law also allows there to be food trucks and that it's uh you

00:30:32.420 have ample opportunity to be able to eat and drink and all of that if you're standing in line

00:30:37.480 it only talks about uh what it sees as the bad parts of the bill because it's a law that was signed by

00:30:45.520 uh republican and the narrative is that this is racist and that we don't need to be talking about

00:30:51.420 voting integrity at all that we actually need to just be talking about voting expansion even if it

00:30:57.360 is at the expense of voting integrity um and so i have to read the nbc article which i actually think

00:31:05.560 nbc online typically does an okay job of telling me what's going on but i can't just rely on nbc

00:31:13.200 obviously like i need to go to another outlet so i looked at what eric erickson said i think that he

00:31:18.520 is pretty trustworthy um and he is a voice on the right so he's gonna have his perspective but i have

00:31:24.580 to look at both sides so i read you know uh blaze or the blaze.com i read their editorials i read

00:31:32.780 their takes on things and sometimes they'll cover things that a left wing outlet wouldn't i will look

00:31:40.040 across the spectrum i'll read the new york times i read the wall street journal i read the washington

00:31:44.760 post i read the daily wire i read national review i honestly do have to look at a wide range of outlets

00:31:52.200 in order to get anything close to an accurate picture of what's going on and that's why i always

00:31:59.180 encourage you guys like obviously i want you to come to me and to be able to trust me and to listen

00:32:04.140 to this podcast for your information and that's why i have all different kinds of people on too to give

00:32:08.580 you a different perspective but i i also want you to listen to the other side i want you to come to

00:32:14.020 your own conclusions i don't want you to only believe what i believe or just say what i say

00:32:18.460 like i want you to go as close to the primary source as you possibly can and learn for yourself what's

00:32:24.580 really going on and if you find a discrepancy between something that i've told you and reality

00:32:31.040 not just a difference in opinion because i understand those exist but something that i said an actual

00:32:36.160 factual reality then i want you to come to me and i always appreciate you guys know that i've had

00:32:40.880 conversations with me um when that happens and when i get something wrong i do my best to correct

00:32:46.460 the record on the podcast as well and i honestly think like that's the best i think that's the best

00:32:53.020 that we can do because i got a review the other day maybe i already talked about this because it just

00:32:58.880 made me laugh i told my husband about it was like this this podcast host is unabashedly right wing

00:33:06.020 and i was like yes like i am a conservative podcaster and she like lists or i don't know he or she

00:33:12.000 in their review like listed things that i believe like yes i am very open about that i'm very open about

00:33:18.780 my perspective i have no problem with people having opinions i have no problem with people having a bias

00:33:24.200 as long as we own our biases and we do our best to look past our biases um in order to get to truth

00:33:30.520 and we are willing to report on things that uh rub up against our preconceived notions or our foregone

00:33:38.580 conclusions um and that's and that's what i that's what i try to do that's what i encourage you to do

00:33:44.720 as well what bothers me is when people say that they're unbiased or people say that they're only

00:33:50.300 sticking to facts and they're not putting their opinions or perspectives in there and then you

00:33:55.380 read what they're saying and you realize that well actually that actually is tinged with your

00:34:00.720 opinion just a little bit i think that is really the deceitful thing it's okay to have your worldview

00:34:06.760 and your perspective and your opinions and your bias but i think we just have to be um honest about

00:34:11.900 that and so if we're talking about being able to come together as a society um especially when we

00:34:18.120 just look at the political and cultural ideological polarization in this country i don't think that

00:34:23.960 it's necessary for us to pretend that we don't have opinions or i don't think it's necessary for

00:34:29.020 someone who is a conservative like me to be like actually you know i'm a moderate and i'm going to

00:34:33.800 pretend to be liberal on some things or for a liberal to pretend to be conservative on some things

00:34:39.060 to be able to come to the middle you have your convictions own your convictions i think that the

00:34:45.700 way that we can function as a cohesive society if it's even possible which i'm i'm with a lot of

00:34:51.520 you guys i don't even know at this point if it's possible is for us to simply be committed to the

00:34:58.060 truth even when we disagree i don't think that we have to agree to be able to function together to

00:35:03.340 function peacefully i think that we just have to be able to disagree in good faith and to not put

00:35:09.460 um not put nefarious uh characterizations um on someone simply because they disagree so for example

00:35:20.020 when it comes to this georgia law i don't think that it's healthy or productive and i certainly

00:35:26.260 don't think it's truthful for people who disagree with the law to say that this is a jim crow law

00:35:31.960 that targets black people that anyone who supports it is racist we've also heard that when it comes to

00:35:37.120 voter id laws that somehow even though it's unbelievably easy and it's free to get an id

00:35:43.140 that it's bigoted and so everyone who supports that is bigoted how is that possible that people

00:35:49.720 that simply care about the integrity of our elections are necessarily racist and bigoted we cannot get

00:35:55.620 along if that is how the conversations go down and i'm not saying that i'm not guilty of that at times

00:36:01.460 um certainly certainly certainly i have probably mischaracterized someone who disagrees with me

00:36:08.820 and i think that's wrong and i think that we've all got to do better about not saying if you disagree

00:36:14.380 with me you're a racist or if you disagree with me you're a fascist or you're a communist or you're

00:36:18.760 a marxist maybe they are those things maybe your opposition is those things but not always like i think

00:36:24.280 if we can just disagree on things on the merits like if we can just say here's the part of the law that i

00:36:30.520 disagree with or what i don't like here's what i don't like and we can kind of hash it out and we

00:36:35.260 can say okay but here's where you're wrong or here's where you're not thinking about this and vice versa

00:36:39.880 even if we never agree i think that's a really healthy place to be what's dangerous and i think

00:36:46.680 where we are is that we are unwilling well i would say the left more than the right is unwilling to have

00:36:53.800 those debates because you've already characterized anyone who opposes you as a nazi and what are you

00:36:57.940 gonna what are you gonna do you're not gonna argue with the nazi you're just going to disqualify them

00:37:03.900 from any kind of conversation that's an unhealthy place to be the left talks about democracy a lot

00:37:09.940 and yet they shut down any kind of in good faith debate or conversation with the right by comforting

00:37:17.800 themselves by saying well i'm on the right side of history they're on the wrong side of history i don't

00:37:23.000 want anything to do with people who are on the wrong side of history so i don't even have to have

00:37:27.100 these conversations which is why i think in particular on the left they get caught up in

00:37:31.220 their insulated bubbles and their versions of reality that's something that we're going to

00:37:35.920 talk about tomorrow these two studies that came out that show that when it comes to there are two

00:37:41.440 stories when it comes to how many for example black unarmed men are killed by the police every year

00:37:47.020 liberals think that the number is way higher than it actually is also when it comes to your likelihood

00:37:53.280 of being hospitalized for covid liberals think that the likelihood is way higher than it is and i think

00:37:59.880 part of that is because well both sides have a problem with not wanting to listen to the other

00:38:06.120 side at all but in particular on the left i think that is the product of convincing yourself that anything

00:38:11.980 that is moderate anything that is on the right is misinformation is conspiratorial

00:38:17.060 and then you actually end up being on the side of the conspiracy theories like you end up being on

00:38:23.980 the wrong side and it's actually when we look at at least those two studies people on the right are

00:38:29.660 much more likely to be able to repeat accurate information when it comes to things like covid when

00:38:35.240 it comes to things like police brutality because we have to go outside of the mainstream outside of

00:38:41.700 trending headlines in order to understand what's really going on i do think in general in general

00:38:48.280 okay on the right there is and i know there are crazy people on the right there are q anon people

00:38:55.840 on the right i totally understand that we've talked about the dangers of conspiracy theory the dangers of

00:39:02.080 q anon some of you have reached out to me and said that you're like your parents or your grandparents

00:39:07.180 or your aunt or your uncle their life has basically been ruined by q anon because they're so obsessed

00:39:11.620 with the prophecies and the predictions and president trump becoming president again even

00:39:15.780 after even though biden is president right now like i understand the dangers of that i understand that

00:39:20.440 things like that exist on the right but i do think in general and i think the studies that we'll talk

00:39:24.640 about tomorrow show this at least in part that on the right there is a greater commitment to

00:39:30.620 understanding what's really going on what's really going on beneath the headlines beneath what we're being

00:39:37.400 told beneath bureaucratic promises than there is on the left and i think that that is uh that's the

00:39:44.440 nature of conservatism it should be the nature of conservatism to question institutions to question

00:39:49.620 big business to question bureaucracy to question headlines to question narratives and i think that

00:39:56.720 skepticism towards institutions even what is being um said is science that's really scientism i think it's

00:40:06.160 healthy and then it ends up when you look at the studies that a conservative is more likely to be able to

00:40:12.480 tell you accurate information about for example covid or uh police brutality than someone on the left is

00:40:20.160 because the leftism doesn't have as much healthy skepticism at least the leftism that we see predominantly

00:40:27.780 in the united states doesn't have as much healthy skepticism about headlines about narratives um about

00:40:36.000 institutions and bureaucracies now i do think that there are like true leftists or even like populist

00:40:42.880 leftists that do have that skepticism and i think that that's really good again even if we don't

00:40:49.520 disagree but i think that we would all be better off all of us again even if we don't come to the same

00:40:54.560 conclusions if we were a little bit more skeptical about the things that we are being told from the powers

00:41:01.120 uh that be we would probably all be doing a better job of being able to separate fact from fiction

00:41:08.060 um in particular when it comes to laws like this that we're being told are jim crow 2.0 but when you

00:41:13.640 actually look at the law um it's nothing close to that and the unfortunate thing is the product of this

00:41:20.700 is going to be like if they if democrats push hr1 and if they're successful in trying to take down this law

00:41:28.160 the process of voting is going to have less integrity it's going to have less transparency

00:41:33.500 and you do have to wonder and again we can be as charitable as possible about you know different

00:41:40.820 motivations that democrats might have i have no doubt that there are some democrats who simply want to

00:41:45.660 make sure that minorities in georgia are not getting disenfranchised that they're not being

00:41:49.860 marginalized that they are able to vote but you do have to wonder when they buck against something like

00:41:54.960 a voter id law or when they say inaccurately that people aren't allowed to have food or drink in

00:41:59.960 line um you have to wonder like what is actually behind that is there actually a desire for there

00:42:07.260 not to be uh honesty and transparency when it comes to voting laws and when it comes to the voting

00:42:15.880 process and it's a very easy rhetorical game that they have been playing for themselves they say

00:42:22.920 we want access to voting and that sounds really good and then it seems like anyone who is against

00:42:28.400 them doesn't want access to voting and is therefore for voter suppression which was a product of jim crow

00:42:36.180 and you know the mid 20th century and so it's really easy for them to kind of make that racist

00:42:42.480 accusation but the fact is in a democracy which democrats are constantly saying that they care about

00:42:48.960 and want to uphold in particular a democratic republic like ours uh it is you have to protect

00:42:56.180 the voting uh process and if the voting process is not protected uh then you have anarchy then you

00:43:03.180 uh then you don't have people that can actually trust in the institutions that democrats are constantly

00:43:08.620 saying they're trying to uphold um as we've talked about for example when we discussed the border like

00:43:15.060 if citizenship means nothing we cease to be a sovereign nation if there are no special protections

00:43:20.780 and rights and privileges that come with citizenship then we are no longer a legitimate country our laws

00:43:26.780 mean nothing we lose our ability to exact justice to protect and provide for our citizens we we become

00:43:33.220 uh weak we become vulnerable to all kinds of destruction and manipulation by enemies foreign and domestic

00:43:40.600 and democrats said that they care very much about voter integrity uh when it came to the 2016 election

00:43:49.240 they said that that's why they're pushing this whole idea that trump was a russian agent and that

00:43:55.700 putin helped trump get elected they were willing to spend millions of taxpayer dollars on an investigation

00:44:02.400 to supposedly protect election integrity but they're not willing to say simply that a voter uh that a voter

00:44:10.040 has to get a free id in order to vote to protect election integrity so they're okay with foreign

00:44:16.520 interference when it comes to the possibility of non-citizens voting but they're very angry about

00:44:21.660 foreign interference when their guy loses and they claim they claim it's because of foreign interference

00:44:28.120 and by the way that investigation into russian collusion was not fruitful uh it did not come up it did not

00:44:36.360 verify their hypothesis their original theory but they still have the audacity to call republicans the

00:44:44.240 conspiracy theorists and the peddlers of misinformation and this is what i was just saying just a second ago

00:44:49.100 it's impossible for us to come together if we are not willing to say okay we're going to disagree but

00:44:56.720 we're going to pursue the truth you probably uh you might have heard of like blue anon we were just

00:45:01.820 talking about q anon the dangerous conspiracy theory that was predominantly on the right a very small

00:45:08.000 fraction of republicans and conservatives even know what q anon is but blue anon which is kind of a joke

00:45:14.420 that people have been making on twitter um is much more mainstream and that refers to like the conspiracy

00:45:21.860 theories that democrats uh that democrats believe in um that is hyped by the media that is supported by

00:45:30.380 democratic lawmakers in a way that q anon never was leftist conspiracy theories are a lot more

00:45:36.620 mainstream trump being a russian agent with literally no proof that is blue anon uh white supremacy killing

00:45:44.280 the asian population even though the vast majority of these perpetrators of violence uh against asians

00:45:51.440 are are not white that that's blue anon the idea that every racial disparity is evidence of racial

00:45:57.920 discrimination despite evidence to the contrary that's blue anon like keeping kids out of school

00:46:04.520 indefinitely for covid despite all of the evidence saying that they should be in school

00:46:09.200 that's blue anon and so while we've got some q anon type people on the rights we have a ton of blue anon

00:46:17.680 people on the left and until we both decide that we are going to abandon our conspiracy theories

00:46:25.980 and at least just pursue the truth together again even if we have totally disparate conclusions

00:46:34.400 we're not going to be able to have productive dialogue about things like election integrity

00:46:38.880 we're not going to be able to we're not going to be able to talk about what's really going on

00:46:44.200 at the border for example or we're not going to be able to talk about uh voting law we're not going

00:46:49.520 to be able to talk about the potential pitfalls of hr1 we're not going to be able to talk about

00:46:53.640 something like the pro act which is extremely consequential for a large portion of the economy

00:47:00.340 for a large portion of the country and it's completely bipartisan but we can't have those

00:47:04.380 conversations um if we are so committed to our false narratives um again difference in opinion is okay

00:47:15.220 difference in politics is okay but we both have to have the same fair commitment to what's

00:47:22.400 really going on and i'm just afraid that the coverage that has characterized uh this law in

00:47:28.520 georgia is is not fair and it's not accurate you can have criticisms of it without saying that anyone

00:47:34.780 supports it is a jim crow racist i mean that doesn't benefit anyone like you're not benefiting the minority

00:47:41.280 community by lying like that you're just fear-mongering you're again like governor kemp said you're trying

00:47:46.340 to raise money you're trying to make people angry you're trying to uh you know stir up your activist

00:47:53.280 base whatever it is but it's not based on accurate information and i don't think anyone on the left or

00:47:58.900 the right benefits from that so that's all we've got time for today i really want to talk about the

00:48:04.300 border um and what's going on there and the media hypocrisy when it comes to that i want to talk also

00:48:09.820 about these vaccine passports i've been listening to a lot of information on the left and the right

00:48:15.400 about that um i said something on twitter that it is it's crazy speaking of like vaccine passports

00:48:22.080 and the border bringing those two things together it's crazy to think that apparently american citizens

00:48:26.880 are going to be forced to have this vaccine passport in order to just live their everyday life and go out

00:48:32.780 in public but illegal immigrants we know from reports many of them thousands of them are not even

00:48:39.280 getting tested for the coronavirus before they are being transported in large groups by the thousands

00:48:45.560 to different cities and convention centers and hotels on the taxpayer dime throughout the country

00:48:51.100 um and so and that along with talking about uh voter integrity and democrats pushing against

00:48:59.260 uh voter id laws i mean that's just that's just all crazy and i have a lot to say about all of that but

00:49:05.660 i don't have time to get into it all today because we just ended up talking about this one subject so

00:49:10.780 i'm going to talk about some of it tomorrow i'm going to talk about the derrick chauvin trial tomorrow

00:49:14.900 again we're going to talk about what justice actually looks like and uh what biblical justice really

00:49:21.860 looks like and why this is important some of the racialized narratives that we've been hearing

00:49:26.600 recently also i think that if we have time we're going to talk about the filibuster tomorrow

00:49:31.920 because we're also being told that the filibuster has to do with uh has to do with jim crow like it's

00:49:39.660 a relic of jim crow even though both biden and barack obama have defended it fiercely for many years

00:49:46.700 um and then on thursday i think that we are going to focus uh we're going to focus entirely on

00:49:54.120 easter and it's going to be another just strictly theological episode if that's something that you guys

00:49:58.660 want but gosh i've got a lot of news to get to too like about the border and all of that and so

00:50:03.860 you guys let me know you let me know what you want what you're interested in hearing for the next

00:50:08.960 couple of days you guys are my executive producers i take my cues ultimately content wise from you guys

00:50:15.400 so you just reach out to me you let me know what you want to hear in the next couple days and in the

00:50:19.320 next week or so all right i'll see you guys back here tomorrow

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 30, 2021

Ep 394 ｜ Voter Suppression in Georgia？｜ Guest： Governor Brian Kemp

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