Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 415 ｜ Europe's Migration & Misogyny Problem ｜ Guest： Ayaan Hirsi Ali

00:00:00.000 hello hello welcome to relatable today i am having a wonderful fascinating interview with a wonderful

00:00:16.080 fascinating person and that is ian hersey ali you've probably seen her before she's been on fox

00:00:21.500 news she has been an author and in the public arena for a very long time she is an author a

00:00:27.280 refugee and she is a former representative from the netherlands as well she is an immigrant from

00:00:34.340 somalia but she moved to various countries in europe and lived in the netherlands and she actually

00:00:40.660 fled to the netherlands to try to escape a forced marriage in 1992 she ended up earning her master's

00:00:49.160 there she got her citizenship she got her master's in political science she worked as a translator for

00:00:55.440 somali immigrants and uh from 2003 to 2006 she served as an elected member of the dutch parliament

00:01:03.060 in 2005 she was named one of time magazine's 100 most influential people at today she lives in the

00:01:08.840 united states she's a hoover institution research fellow she also has a foundation that raises

00:01:14.500 awareness about female genital mutilation that's happening is in islamic communities not just abroad

00:01:22.860 but also here in the united states and so today we're going to talk about her new book how

00:01:28.420 immigration in particular in europe is uh leading to a rise of assault on women these immigrants are 1.00

00:01:38.220 mostly from muslim majority countries just like and hersey ali and so this is a conversation that

00:01:45.620 honestly a lot of people don't want to have because uh in the west we are afraid that criticizing other

00:01:52.260 cultures or criticizing other countries is seen as bigoted or racist or wrong but as we will talk

00:01:58.520 about today that actually blinds us to reality and it makes us unable to see right from wrong good from

00:02:05.600 bad and it prevents us from being able to protect victims of violence and so i'm really excited for

00:02:13.380 you to hear the insight that she has to give today uh without further ado here is ayan hersey ali

00:02:19.160 miss ali thank you so much for joining us i think most people listening or watching have been following

00:02:30.960 you and probably have read your work for a while but just in case there are some people who haven't

00:02:35.520 can you tell us who you are and what you do well my name is ayan hersey ali um i was born in somalia

00:02:43.860 and i've been in the united states since 2006 um i lived in saul arabia in ethiopia in kenya

00:02:53.540 and in the netherlands and i have written the details of my autobiography in a book called infidel

00:03:01.180 and i think most of your viewers will know this and right now i work for the hoover institution at

00:03:07.700 stanford um i am a research fellow there and i work on the issues of islam immigration women's rights

00:03:16.600 and the council culture now so uh now taking part in the culture wars yes um i think i first heard

00:03:24.900 about you um it was after you had been writing and working in this field for a while but i remember

00:03:30.520 linda sarsour who is a left-wing muslim activist she tweeted something about wanting to and pardon my 0.99

00:03:38.600 french for everyone listening um take your vagina away and i think there was someone else that she 1.00

00:03:44.940 said that about too what was that reaction and why do you get that kind of vitriol from left-wing 0.99

00:03:50.740 activists well linda sarsour is uh right now yeah she mixes that far left conviction with also her

00:04:02.040 convictions that sharia as a system of law is superior and so if you have that kind of um

00:04:08.440 if that's your worldview then i i don't think you will like me because my worldview is the opposite

00:04:14.980 uh i've been campaigning against sharia law for as long as i can remember and campaigning right now

00:04:21.640 against far left excesses such as this woke uh or cancel culture it goes by many names uh it's called

00:04:29.600 critical theory critical race theory critical justice theory um but you know the general public

00:04:35.360 they know it as woke yeah and so i i campaign against that so obviously i'm not one of our favorite

00:04:40.520 people on the planet and there have been feminists who are kind of in her arena or in her realm who 1.00

00:04:47.400 also um they they don't like you or they push back against you and i guess it's for what you said

00:04:53.400 because you're you know you're against kind of the woke social justice mob you're against a lot of the

00:04:58.240 tactics of the left but you also consider yourself a feminist or a champion of women's rights correct

00:05:04.540 well i do but i mean when i i've just released a book pray that i think we might get to hopefully

00:05:11.800 yes um and that's the kind of feminism i believe in uh i'm talking about the safety of women 1.00

00:05:19.960 in the public space and that safety is threatened by um a phenomenon that these women can't do anything 1.00

00:05:28.180 about which is immigration from countries that are failed states or failing states the people who are

00:05:34.460 fleeing civil war and economic turmoil who come to europe many of them happen to be young men

00:05:41.240 between the ages of what you call a military age 15 to 35 and some of those men behave very badly

00:05:49.900 towards women and i think if you are a serious feminist you would bring to the surface such issues

00:05:57.140 you know women's safety uh things that really affect women in their day-to-day lives um and i you

00:06:06.260 know some of the feminists who who have gone woke um i don't i don't even regard them as feminists 1.00

00:06:14.160 anymore and i'll give you an example um the author of harry potter jk rowling um had written about

00:06:23.400 the unintended consequences of four women of the transgender movement so she's not disparaging

00:06:31.060 the transgender people she wants them to live as i do with freedom and dignity but there there are some

00:06:38.520 unintended consequences for children and for women she raised that and all the feminists dropped her 1.00

00:06:45.320 i mean when i say all i mean the woke feminists dropped her right and so for the woke apparently 1.00

00:06:53.600 if you have to make a trade-off between women's rights and something else they will go with something 1.00

00:06:59.880 else right and in your book pray you talk about how illegal immigration in particular in europe has

00:07:06.360 kind of led to this rise of sexual assault of young women can you talk a little bit more about that

00:07:12.500 why you decided to write this book at this time and the problem that's going on there

00:07:16.580 so i think when we talk about immigration and talk about legal and illegal that is very much a very

00:07:23.420 american thing because that's what the conversation in america is about uh in europe uh the conversation is

00:07:30.880 about asylum and refugees because europe's neighbors in some parts of africa some parts of the middle east

00:07:38.100 and this is about proximity um they come from states like libya that's a failed state syria civil war

00:07:46.660 failed um many other countries in africa so the kind of immigration they get is very different from the

00:07:56.420 kind of immigration we get here in the united states now a consequence of that is when you just have

00:08:03.940 masses and masses and masses and masses of people who are displaced from their own countries

00:08:09.540 come in large numbers into europe what you get it's chaos it's mismanaged obviously all of it is illegal

00:08:17.900 uh but then the european countries are trying to talk okay about asylum who deserves to come in who doesn't

00:08:26.220 and they've messed up all of that some of those people come in anyway legally or illegally it really doesn't matter

00:08:34.120 that much anymore and they find themselves in streets and neighborhoods they look at women they have 1.00

00:08:42.080 attitudes toward women that are so radically different from the countries where they come from and then you have

00:08:48.660 this spike in sexual assaults against women in the public space and some of these countries are overwhelmed

00:08:55.040 they're shocked um they the leadership uh has been indulging in political correctness for decades

00:09:02.820 so they haven't anticipated the problem or the scale of the problem and they're failing their women and they're

00:09:08.320 failing the immigrants yes and can you tell us about kind of just tangibly what some of those um what some of

00:09:15.980 those consequences have actually looked like for for young women well it's not just young women it's all

00:09:23.480 women if you if you read my book you'll see i don't only collect uh the statistics that i'm i was able to

00:09:30.500 get from these various governments i actually also talked to some of the women who have been assaulted

00:09:37.340 who've been victims of sexual assault by immigrant men most of them from muslim countries and i've collected

00:09:45.280 stories court cases where testimonies of women are that have been subjected to this kind of

00:09:51.160 behavior and what you find is that the women can be as young children as young as 11 or 12 year old

00:09:57.540 but they can be also in their 70s so it seems like these perpetrators are not making a distinction

00:10:04.560 between age or whether the women are you know in their countries of origin sometimes they say well she 0.90

00:10:10.640 provoked it she was dressed this way or that she was a it's here it's just almost like all women 1.00

00:10:16.780 she could be an immigrant she could be black or white she could be old or young rich or poor 0.96

00:10:24.280 uh they it's very it's bizarre for young men to walk around in groups and just target any woman 0.96

00:10:35.900 they can find and hunt her down and try and rape her and sometimes they succeed and that is why i call the

00:10:42.700 book prey you have men who look at women and they don't see a fellow human being uh they think of 0.78

00:10:51.980 themselves as predators and they prey on these women and they start behaving like groups of hyenas or

00:10:58.880 other wild animals that hunt in groups and no one i mean very few people are saying

00:11:04.800 some of the the sexual assaults are noted but then they refuse to take data points such as

00:11:15.820 ethnicity right you know nationality religion and so and if you refuse to take those data points

00:11:22.540 you wouldn't be able to develop you know tailor-made uh programs that can help these young men

00:11:30.320 assimilate into the societies that they've come to and that have accepted them

00:11:34.800 yes and obviously we know that men of all different ethnicities and cultures can be predators and

00:11:41.440 rape but your argument is that this is um this is happening in particular uh in groups of young

00:11:50.920 muslim men that this is part of the culture of islam especially in that area of the world what is it

00:11:58.800 about um islam and kind of their upbringing in their countries of origin that has encouraged them to act

00:12:09.500 like in your words like a pack of hyenas hunting prey

00:12:13.660 so i insist in the book over and over again that this isn't really about muslims in general

00:12:22.560 uh in fact i talked to muslim men who are fully assimilated in uh countries like sweden and denmark and germany

00:12:31.360 and uh they agree with me that not all muslim men uh perpetrators of sexual violence against women

00:12:43.200 but there is uh a clash of values when it comes to european values and muslim majority country you know

00:12:56.340 islamic values let's just put it let's just say the way it is and when that last question where you say

00:13:04.660 what is it about islam well in islam women are seen as chattel they should submit to their male 0.99

00:13:15.620 guardians your male guardian is your father and when you get married it is your husband and there is

00:13:20.860 a a code of conduct for women the modesty code or the chastity code or the virtue code whatever you want

00:13:27.840 to call it but that means that you cover your body parts you stay at home and you adhere to that code of

00:13:35.860 um doing as what your husband or what your father gives you permission to do

00:13:42.480 now the men in those countries are also taught that they they too have to adhere to this modesty

00:13:51.960 doctrine which divides women into good women and bad women good women are those who 1.00

00:13:57.820 who behave according to the code of conduct that is called the modesty i call it the modesty doctrine

00:14:03.560 if women don't adhere to that code then they are fair game women in muslim majority countries 1.00

00:14:11.140 have learned how to cope with that when they don't have or can't afford a guardian they cover themselves

00:14:18.040 they walk in groups and they don't go out at night if they do they go in again in groups or in ways

00:14:24.980 that makes them feel safe um the men in those countries when they find women without guardians who are not

00:14:36.820 protected by their male bloodline clan family tribe they hunt down those women when those women when those men 0.63

00:14:48.980 come come to europe and they find that the modesty doctrine does not apply because in europe women

00:14:56.720 they they don't take permission from male guardians they are considered to be fully equal to men and so they

00:15:05.800 they go about their business like every man would do they wear what they want and the public space at least for some time it was taken for granted that women are safe there and

00:15:16.980 and and that's what we are now seeing we're just seeing that clash of values on the streets of some neighborhoods in europe

00:15:24.420 and it's women who are especially women in working class neighborhoods they're the ones who have to bear the consequences 1.00

00:15:33.140 of the unintended uh i would say the unintended consequences of immigration and it's an immigration

00:15:41.040 system that is totally mismanaged and do you think that part of the reason that it's

00:15:48.920 mismanaged you mentioned that when these assaults happen very often ethnicity or immigration status is not noted

00:15:56.720 do you think the reason for that is what you kind of mentioned earlier this kind of critical

00:16:01.960 race theory view of west and white bad anything not west not white is good 1.00

00:16:09.660 anyone who is an immigrant or anyone who is not a you know a white cisgender western christian is on the

00:16:17.540 side of the oppressed do you think that that kind of erroneous worldview is part of why these european

00:16:27.200 governments won't take specific action or take specific precautions or make specific programs for

00:16:34.440 uh these uh majority uh majority muslim young men i think it's a combination of factors and yes that

00:16:42.880 narrative of all things west and all things that have to do with western civilization is bad

00:16:48.840 that narrative is in europe and has been there for a long time among the elites and it's very strong

00:16:54.560 so it's part of the explanation but it is not the whole story i think part of the story is

00:17:01.560 they do have uh so if you look at the united states of america it's been one nation for at least

00:17:07.900 230 something almost 40 years in europe uh these various nation states um have joined

00:17:20.100 a club called the eu so some of their policies are made on the eu level including immigration and some of

00:17:28.660 them are made on the national level and so right there you have a policy mismatch you have a good

00:17:36.780 reason for policies to go wrong so some countries anticipate uh after an event like the arab spring

00:17:45.660 that okay watch out we're going to get a lot of immigrants coming from these countries because 1.00

00:17:53.680 those states are going to fall apart but on the national level there's very little they can do to

00:18:00.920 prepare for that eventuality which started to happen in 2015 in a big way it started in 2011 2012 13

00:18:09.420 but in 15 you had that big influx so part of it is practical also then within each country there is

00:18:20.380 a disagreement on why immigration why do we need people to come in so that people there who are

00:18:27.380 arguing we need immigration we need immigrants because our populations are shrinking we need them 1.00

00:18:32.660 for the economy while others are saying well actually this particular type of immigrant 0.67

00:18:39.560 costs us brings us more cost than benefits and then of course there is the history of europe

00:18:46.300 there is a history of colonialism and there's the history of the holocaust and part of that history of

00:18:53.200 the second world war was a lot of jews were sent to their death because they were registered not only with

00:19:04.380 their names and other personal identity details but also their religion and if if that were not the case many of

00:19:15.220 them would have been saved and so there is a huge reluctance in some of these countries

00:19:21.820 to take down such details as religion ethnicity skin color because it's it's informed i mean it's

00:19:31.680 understandable of course right but you're trying to bring in you're trying to correct history

00:19:38.480 and that went wrong uh by doing things wrong right now so i yes yeah i'm trying to be compassionate

00:19:48.900 and empathetic and i'm trying to understand but right now i think uh the refusal to note down these

00:19:57.340 details of skin color and ethnicity and nationality are actually going to cause more problems than the 1.00

00:20:03.660 other way around this is different context it's a different problem and in this case we really do

00:20:09.740 need the physical details of the perpetrators even if it is only to develop programs of assimilation

00:20:17.480 that will fit that but if you come from afghanistan you come from a different environment than somalia

00:20:23.340 or eritrea or egypt or wherever so it's important to have these details to be able to develop assimilation

00:20:31.660 programs because that's really the only way for europe to go is to assimilate to the people that

00:20:36.660 they've allowed in right and i think that's um part of that kind of anti-west world view that a lot of

00:20:44.480 westerners have and believe is sophisticated and edgy and educated and academic and all of that

00:20:51.020 um it resists this idea of assimilation because we view assimilation or wanting assimilation as bigotry

00:20:57.680 um but as you're pointing out there can be at times very tangible and dastardly consequences for

00:21:05.980 vulnerable people when we don't promote assimilation um with western values i also think it has to do with

00:21:14.260 this kind of morally relativistic post-modern world view that a lot of elites and people in charge have

00:21:20.520 that oh you know they're just cultural differences you know joe biden said this the other day in

00:21:27.300 reference to you know chinese uh concentration camps of uighur muslims is that there are just

00:21:32.720 culturally kind of relative differences i think that mentality also can inhibit a government official

00:21:40.180 from saying okay you know this cultural norm is not okay this cultural norm is actually better or this

00:21:46.840 law is better and that's not bigotry that's just to say okay we abide by this moral framework we

00:21:53.480 believe that this is best for everyone no matter their background but i think a lot of westerners are

00:21:58.460 hesitant to say that because they don't want to be called bigots or islamophobes

00:22:02.320 absolutely right in everything you say and i don't think we should hesitate to describe what exactly

00:22:09.960 it is that china is doing china is interning putting about 10 million people in concentration camps 0.80

00:22:17.960 because they're different because of their religion which happens to be islam and they are forcing 1.00

00:22:25.060 women to be forced to be sterilized they are raping these women they are committing gross acts and 0.99

00:22:34.420 violations against humanity and you should just say it as it is that's exactly what president biden

00:22:39.580 should do now in terms of europe for a long time they tried to avoid the clash of values the clash of

00:22:50.140 civilizations between islam and the west between islam and europe but when you get to a place where

00:22:56.620 there are beheadings and now we have this spike in sexual violence against women

00:23:02.780 where the jewish minorities of europe feel so unsafe that they're fleeing to israel in america 0.93

00:23:11.960 where homosexuals in many european streets either refuse to go to these places or pretend not to be 0.89

00:23:20.640 homosexual so they won't hold hands or show each other affection in public because they're afraid 1.00

00:23:25.880 of being attacked when we get to that place all these politically correct nonsense multiculturalism 0.95

00:23:35.100 moral relativist stories that is not going to cut it and so what you're seeing now is in many of these

00:23:41.800 european countries voters are going to populist parties to far-right parties if you look at france

00:23:49.500 national front is they seem to be either very close or leading the polls and so i think there's a lot of

00:23:59.320 waking up going on in europe right now as opposed to america where for some reason we seem to be attracted

00:24:06.700 to this critical justice theory uh rubbish yeah and i was going to ask you if you see some of the same

00:24:15.960 problems that europe is seeing happening here obviously it's different because of a point that you

00:24:20.260 mentioned earlier because of proximity and so we don't necessarily have um the exact same issues but you

00:24:27.100 have been an outspoken critic of um of sharia and of some parts of islam and do you see those things as

00:24:35.740 having um a dangerous amount of influence here and in american politics uh i see so i always make this

00:24:44.700 distinction between dawah and jihad and i don't know if your viewers or listeners know what i'm

00:24:50.580 talking about probably probably not if you could if you could explain that that would be awesome

00:24:54.860 um so i think most people are familiar with jihad because that is when violence is used it's holy war

00:25:01.780 so a terrorist act by a radical muslim uh trying to make his point or achieve his objective is called

00:25:10.660 jihad right most americans understand that but before you get to jihad there is the propagation

00:25:18.540 the teaching the proselytization the brainwashing of young people to get them to a place where they

00:25:25.660 think jihad is okay so that whole process is called dawah and i think that when it comes to the

00:25:34.500 establishment of dawah and institutions that engage in dawah in the united states yes we have a problem

00:25:41.520 we have a lot of mosques and islamic centers and they do undertake these activities of

00:25:48.960 trying to persuade muslims who are not very observant to become really observant and extreme in their 0.98

00:25:58.760 beliefs but they also convert or try to convert non-muslims into radical islam so the dawah 0.89

00:26:05.600 activities are something we need to watch out for but thank goodness in the last few years we have seen

00:26:12.520 a deep decline in the terrorist attacks now that's not to say they are gone forever

00:26:18.140 but it's to say it's just to note that we haven't had uh islamist driven terrorist attacks in america

00:26:28.900 for some time yes i would say that that's a good thing it does seem like anti-american and anti-western

00:26:38.020 anti-democracy anti-freedom curriculum in schools even if it's obviously it's not explicitly pro-islam

00:26:45.420 it does seem like it would have um a similar goal though to the kind of indoctrination that you're

00:26:52.640 talking about where it would at least help this kind of anti-american sentiment obviously it's

00:26:58.860 prevalent in a lot of different places in the united states but it's especially prevalent a prevalent

00:27:02.860 in muslim majority countries and so it seems like if you can kind of um have that resentment against

00:27:09.940 the united states here in america by american children that that would kind of help the extremist

00:27:16.820 cause to and not just muslim countries but also you know china and the countries that really want

00:27:23.120 to see the demise of the united states it seems like all of those anti-american forces would kind of

00:27:28.080 work together that's a very good point and i think that is one of the most important reasons why we

00:27:35.160 should resist the critical race theory and uh this you know movement that calls itself woke uh because

00:27:45.660 if what the woke are telling us is that america is systemically racist that white people are the

00:27:55.740 oppressors of all people of color that the only way to achieve justice is to break down 0.56

00:28:04.840 the so-called racist structures which is to destroy america and the only way to achieve justice

00:28:12.740 is to take away from the oppressor and then give it to the various factions of victims that they have

00:28:18.740 constructed now any adversary of america islamist chinese russian any adversary of america would

00:28:29.340 obviously exploit that kind of thing and so in a few years ago we all thought that this whole critical

00:28:38.980 race theory justice theory wokeism was a fringe ideology it was somewhere you know in some corner of the

00:28:48.760 universities and we thought people who went there would simply outgrow it and now it's become this

00:28:54.860 mainstream thing people are being afraid of people are terrified of being cancelled

00:29:01.400 in universities in newsrooms in corporations it's everywhere so yes you're absolutely right this

00:29:10.980 homegrown ideology that is anti-american to its core uh is really right now what we need to focus on

00:29:19.300 and and and reject the idea that we are systematically racist systemically racist uh and and all this it's 1.00

00:29:27.720 it's pure garbage but it's dangerous garbage 0.98

00:29:30.340 i'm interested to know just as an immigrant from somalia yourself and you have also been in european 0.99

00:29:47.520 countries i think you're in uh the netherlands before you came to america is that correct uh yes i was

00:29:54.580 a number of countries so i do have uh the fortune to be able to compare america to different countries

00:30:01.900 yeah and that's what i'm interested in in hearing from you what has been your experience in the way of

00:30:08.000 just opportunity equality your assessment of civil rights when it comes to not just from where you came

00:30:14.340 from somalia but also european countries versus the united states is there any credence whatsoever in

00:30:20.560 in your experience from your perspective of people who say you know america is this white supremacist

00:30:26.700 uh supremacist endemically racist place where only white people um can can get ahead i mean

00:30:34.580 in your just honest assessment is there any kind of accuracy to those assertions

00:30:39.940 i find it bizarre uh when i read some of the works of ibram x kendi and de angelo and all these other

00:30:50.300 people who are pushing the narrative that we are hopelessly racist and uh you know people are only

00:30:58.360 oppressed here we do have an inequality between black people who are the descendants of slaves

00:31:05.840 and the general public and the general public and i think that that inequality should be addressed

00:31:11.300 and the appropriate way of doing that is by improving public schools providing more charter schools

00:31:18.600 setting aside resources time and effort and tough love tough love to bring those people who are left

00:31:31.560 behind into the system not to declare that the system is racist or that the system is structurally

00:31:39.060 against them i think that is absolutely wrong uh it's wrong and it's proven that that narrative is wrong

00:31:47.140 over and over again because look at the immigrants from other african countries who are doing fantastic

00:31:52.740 here what about the immigrants from india where they have a caste system and the indians who come into the

00:31:59.020 united states they flourish because nobody cares about their skin color they're not outcasts here

00:32:04.340 they're americans here look at the asians the chinese who are not able to flourish in their own

00:32:11.360 country because it's authoritarian and they come here and they love it they work hard and they live the

00:32:16.480 american dream look at all the hispanic people who uh same thing uh come for the american dream 0.93

00:32:23.440 and live the american dream but also look at the white folks who are poor and many broken families so many of

00:32:35.280 them dying of drug overdose um what who who if those are white heterosexual men who are addicted to 0.93

00:32:45.780 opioids and who are in many ways poor or just as poor as the black americans who's who's oppressing those ones 0.92

00:32:57.120 you know it is you can simplify it and say the the source of all our problems is race and have yourself

00:33:07.080 talking about race all day long but that's just a distraction i'm being charitable right it's a distraction

00:33:15.160 because it distracts us from some of the real problems that are going on that are not racial

00:33:21.360 issues in most cases they might be class issues they might be geographical issues they could be

00:33:26.120 local government issues and when we refuse to look at some of those problems then we then we are unable

00:33:32.820 to reach actual solutions that could help these groups but you know i don't necessarily think that that

00:33:39.860 is the point of critical race theorists i i'm not sure that they're actually trying to make life better

00:33:45.880 for particular groups i think it's more of an academic theory and ideology that they're hoping

00:33:50.980 they'll be able to kind of just project onto the world to create i don't know some kind of socialist

00:33:56.420 dystopia one day it's kind of hard to know ever where progressives want to land on things

00:34:02.960 well these people the ones who are pushing for critical race theory it's very clear what they want

00:34:09.160 they want power and they're exploiting these vulnerable groups that they have uh set you know 0.92

00:34:16.300 black people women homosexuals or lgbtq they are using um these vulnerable minorities 0.98

00:34:26.540 exploiting their situations to get themselves into power and stay with that power they're not 1.00

00:34:34.540 interested if you look at that website of black lives matter they are not interested in black people 0.78

00:34:39.280 they have they want to redistribute wealth they are getting by the minute wealth here because people

00:34:46.800 are throwing money at them out of guilt but they're not taking that money to inner city chicago or

00:34:52.980 inner city atlanta uh and if you ask them where are you taking that money they'll just call you a

00:34:59.740 racist right so it is they do have an agenda and their agenda is to get rich and it's to get powerful

00:35:06.580 and uh it's very absolutely clear that they do not care about the vulnerable groups that they say

00:35:13.640 they care about it's very cynical yes and um you know this kind of has to do with with what we're

00:35:20.540 talking about but it was something that i meant to mention earlier and ask you about and now i

00:35:24.780 want to bring up and that is this issue this terrible ongoing problem of female genital 1.00

00:35:33.620 mutilation that is happening i think more prevalently than most people um that most people know about and

00:35:40.860 the reason why i think it connects to what we were just talking about is because it interferes with

00:35:46.300 this critical race idea of the only people who do the oppressing are these white western people and

00:35:51.800 everyone else are just oppressed but unfortunately in many areas of the world and in in some cultures

00:35:57.900 young girls are being subjected to this kind of mutilation and many so-called feminists here western 1.00

00:36:04.900 feminists certainly don't talk about it so for people who don't know can you just talk about what this 1.00

00:36:10.720 is what's going on and if it's something that's happening here in the united states that we should know about

00:36:15.400 so fgm stands for female genital mutilation so little girls between the ages of anywhere from 0.53

00:36:24.880 four years five years six years they have their genitals removed and uh the vaginas sun shuts 1.00

00:36:32.140 i've started a foundation here the aha foundation which is an acronym of my name i am hersey ali

00:36:39.840 um and they have been very active our foundation has been very active in trying to bring awareness

00:36:46.920 uh to americans about the fact that this takes place here in america um and the reason why it does is

00:36:56.040 look if a hundred percent in some countries ninety percent ninety seven percent uh if populations come

00:37:02.560 from countries like that where it's the norm and you come to america you don't stop doing it just

00:37:08.040 because you got off the airplane um and we've we've there was we succeeded in trying to bring

00:37:17.640 one case to court didn't go anywhere there's another one that's ongoing i think i'm not allowed to talk

00:37:23.720 about it yet because i don't want to frustrate um prosecution but yeah it's going on in america

00:37:31.680 and feminists why are they silent on it if you're a woke feminist you believe that only white men 1.00

00:37:39.440 engage in oppression so you're not going to talk about other cultures and you censor other people

00:37:45.680 from talking about it so we are now in a place where our society is divided into groups depending on

00:37:53.900 their skin color and their religion and their gender and other immutable traits

00:37:58.400 and only individuals within those groups are allowed to talk about their problems

00:38:04.780 and that's terrible that's tribalism it's actually reverse racism so yes it's it's all very crazy but

00:38:13.700 yeah if you are woke you won't talk about female genital mutilation you're not going to talk about

00:38:19.000 honor killings which is uh another in europe they've now started calling it femicide

00:38:24.560 killing women who violate your honor as a family you are not going to talk about any kind of

00:38:33.340 misogyny or cruelty that is perpetrated in the name of islam or in the name of an indian culture 0.99

00:38:41.580 or the name of a chinese culture or in the name of any anything that is non-white if women are 1.00

00:38:47.440 badly treated when those other cultures are invoked our feminists if they're woke they're 1.00

00:38:54.500 not going to talk about it because that was against their narrative yep uh moral relativism cultural

00:39:01.880 relativism post-modernism all these ideas have consequences they have very serious consequences

00:39:07.320 which is why it's so important for you to be this clear voice of morality and this clear voice of

00:39:14.380 right and wrong and truth in a time when a lot of people don't want to hear it so i'm very thankful

00:39:19.160 for you i'm thankful for the books that you write for the work that you do can you tell people one

00:39:24.440 where they can buy your book and two how they can support you and the foundation um that you just

00:39:31.800 talked about well the foundation please go on the website it is called uh the ayaanhirsi

00:39:38.680 alifoundation.org or the aha foundation aha.org there it is the aha foundation aha foundation.org

00:39:49.220 um and the book is pray i don't know if i'm holding it um yep so a bit is that that is that better yes

00:40:03.500 that's in the frame so for people who are for people who are watching this on youtube the book is called pray

00:40:08.440 immigration islam and the erosion of women's rights um and so we'll make sure to put the link 0.99

00:40:14.080 to that book in the description of this podcast episode so people can just click on it and um go

00:40:19.940 ahead and order it thank you so much and i think you can find it on amazon and uh any of you know

00:40:26.500 your closest bookseller it's now out and out and about well perfect well thank you so much i really

00:40:32.880 appreciate you taking the time and thank you for all of the work that you do thank you so much and

00:40:38.040 thank you very much for having me on and thank you for taking on the woke culture yes thank you thank 1.00

00:40:43.140 you have a great day you too bye bye thanks

00:40:46.300 all right so i hope you guys enjoyed that conversation and i just wanted to i just wanted

00:40:56.700 to note at the end of this something that i was thinking about when she was talking about the way

00:41:01.660 that um islam treats women and regards women if you read love thy body with us um as a part of

00:41:09.460 women's book club with ali's ducky on facebook then uh you read how nancy piercy describes how the

00:41:15.960 christian church has been a refuge for women throughout history you know some people especially

00:41:22.680 progressive see christianity as this oppressive force against women as this oppressive patriarchy

00:41:27.920 that basically is the same thing as sharia law and basically regards women is the same as islam does 0.60

00:41:33.660 and nothing could be further from the truth remember we're not morally relative we're not culturally

00:41:38.220 relative we don't believe that all religions are the same we don't believe that all morality is the same

00:41:44.100 all values are the same as christians we do believe that christianity um is as jesus says jesus is the

00:41:52.360 way the truth and life and no one comes to the father except through him we believe that jesus is god and

00:41:57.640 we base our foundation for our faith on jesus christ and the inspired inerrant word that he has given us

00:42:04.440 through scripture and while there have been people who have perverted the faith or have exploited the

00:42:11.020 faith in order to oppress women in order to oppress vulnerable groups that is not what the gospel says

00:42:17.360 it's not what the gospel offers women that's not what christianity and scripture offers women what we see

00:42:22.840 throughout the bible from the creation account to the very end is that women are honored by god

00:42:28.500 as people who are made with equal dignity made in the image of god in jesus and how he took the time

00:42:35.980 to befriend women to look women in the eye the woman who was caught in adultery to help the bleeding

00:42:42.160 woman who had been bleeding for 11 years and touched his cloak and he said i've you know i've he said the

00:42:48.360 bible says that he felt power go out of him and he turned around and he paid attention to this woman

00:42:53.360 and he looked her in the eye and said that she was healed the way that jesus honored women paid

00:43:00.700 attention to women women who were rejected by society that is what christianity is that's what

00:43:07.420 christianity has been and people look at something like ephesians 5 that says wives submit to your

00:43:12.840 husbands as to the lord and people see that as oppressive people see that

00:43:18.360 as archaic and wrong and something that has led to abuse of women no sin has led to abuse of women

00:43:25.240 but that passage actually speaks to how much god and how much husbands are to cherish their women

00:43:30.920 because or to cherish their wives uh because husbands are also called in that same passage to

00:43:37.020 lay down their lives for their wives in the same way that christ laid his life down for the church

00:43:42.300 and so no other religion gives this kind of um deference and this kind of respect and dignity

00:43:50.900 to women that christianity does as people who are made in god's image people who are given

00:43:56.140 gifts spiritual gifts gifts of the holy spirit uh women who are equal in the sight of god that

00:44:02.880 doesn't mean that we have all the same roles it doesn't mean that we have all the same responsibilities

00:44:06.740 within the church and within marriage it doesn't mean that we are the same there are obviously very

00:44:12.320 foundational differences between men and women and always have been since the beginning of time

00:44:17.380 but as far as equality of worth equality of dignity and the husband's responsibility to treat his wife

00:44:25.060 with love and respect with sacrificial love and respect christianity stands out and that is why women

00:44:31.340 have sought refuge in the christian church for all of its history and will continue to as we see this

00:44:39.780 sexual revolution and we see this moral relativism and this cultural relativism make its primary prey

00:44:47.680 women in women's spaces vulnerable women women will still be looking to the church as a refuge of grace

00:44:55.840 and of truth and of protection and of care and we have to continue to be that we have to continue to

00:45:02.040 be that we have to reject this postmodern relativism which says all value systems are the same all morality

00:45:08.420 is the same it's not the same our god the god of the heavens and the earth the god that we read about

00:45:14.660 in scripture the truth that has been revealed to us uh he tells us what is good and right and true he

00:45:21.040 tells us what is right and wrong he tells us what is true and what is false and so if we love women

00:45:25.320 if we love vulnerable communities uh then we will share with them the love of christ and the goodness

00:45:31.340 of the christian life and the refuge that has been and can be should be um should be the christian

00:45:40.360 church unfortunately there has been victimization within the christian church there has been abuse

00:45:45.960 there has been manipulation and that is sin that is satan and as christians we should do everything we

00:45:51.620 can to use the gospel and use scripture to push back against that sin and to protect women as much as we

00:45:58.780 can all right that's all i wanted to say i'll see you back here soon

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - May 05, 2021

Ep 415 ｜ Europe's Migration & Misogyny Problem ｜ Guest： Ayaan Hirsi Ali

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