Ep 419 ｜ How to Be an Anti-Communist ｜ Guest： Jesse Kelly
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Jesse Kelly is a conservative commentator, radio host, and TV host. He has dubbed himself an Anti-Communist, and we are going to talk about what that means. Rather than being necessarily aligning himself politically as a Republican, he has aligned himself with anti-communism, and he has a lot of advice to give us.
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Hey, guys, welcome to Relatable. Are you ready to be entertained? If you are, then you should
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be super excited for the conversation that I am about to have with Jesse Kelly. He is
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a conservative commentator, radio TV host, and he has dubbed himself an anti-communist.
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And we are going to talk about what that means rather than being necessarily totally aligning
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himself just as a Republican. He has aligned himself with anti-communism and he has a lot
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of advice to give us. He has a lot of insight to share with us. And you're going to leave this
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conversation feeling empowered and feeling like you actually have action items to do to push back
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against that, which is scaring you about our political and cultural future. And so I'm excited
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for you to hear this conversation. Without further ado, here is Jesse Kelly.
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Jesse, thank you so much for joining me. I'm sure that everyone listening to or watching this knows
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exactly who you are, but just in case, can you tell everyone who you are and what you do?
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Well, I'm a very famous, important person, Allie. No, I have a radio show. I have a nationally
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syndicated radio show, the Jesse Kelly show, and I have a TV show on the first called I'm Right. It's
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on every Monday through Friday. And so is my radio show. So that's who I am. I'm a blue collar
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guy that kind of fell backwards into a media career about three years ago. For some reason, it's working.
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Yes. And one thing that you have been hammering on a lot, especially over the past, I would say,
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a year or so, is your identification as an anti-communist. So obviously, most people see you
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as a conservative, which I think you would also identify as, but you've kind of put to the forefront
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of your identification politically as anti-communist. So can you tell us why and what that means?
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Well, people, for one, have to understand what a communist is. And it's not just all the Soviets
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or the Chinese or something like that. Communism is simply, it's simply a way you sell taking power
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for yourself. And how you sell it is you are oppressed, you give me power, and I promise
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I will hurt that guy who's been oppressing you on your behalf. That's all it is. That's all it is.
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That's all it ever was. It was that way in the Soviet Union. We have that here only because we're
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so wealthy. We are wealthy here. Our poor people have running water, clean drinking water, 20 feet away.
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At a faucet, most likely. We're so wealthy, you can't sell that here. You can sell that in 1917
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in the Soviet Union when people were standing in bread lines. Can't sell that here. So you had to
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find a new way to sell it to Americans that would appeal to American sensibilities. And American
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sensibilities are Christian sensibilities. Because look, even if you don't call yourself one, it's a
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Christian nation. It is. I don't care that people have a problem with that. That's what it is. It's what
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it was founded on. And Christian sensibilities are kindness, tolerance, equality. These are things
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you're taught, especially in this country. So in America, the way you sell communism is,
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don't you want black people to be equal? You don't want women to be equal? Are you being intolerant of
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gay people? You sell it through cultural means. You've been oppressed. Elect me. I'll hurt them for you.
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And now it's everywhere here. It's absolutely everywhere here. They make your movies. They
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educate your kids. They're in your church. I had to leave mine last year when my pastor got up and
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started talking about white privilege. They run the entire Democratic Party, half the Republican Party.
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And many people know this and many people don't, but they're all selling the same message.
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You, an American, are evil. If you're white and straight, you're evil. Elect me. I'll hurt those
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evil, straight white people and give power to you, which of course they won't. But in the end,
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it'll just be them holding all the power. But that's how it always works in communism.
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And tell us how this translates to communism. Is it the kind of communism that we have seen
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throughout history? Just that kind of economic oppression, political tyranny? Or can it happen
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happen on the cultural level before it even starts to dominate the halls of power?
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It happens on the cultural level with us, but it happened on an economic level with the Soviets.
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But the ending is always the same. What the ending is, is one or two or sometimes three or four people
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holding power, everyone else living in death and misery, unless you're part of the Communist Party,
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part of the Communist apparatus. And that's how it will end here. Don't get me wrong. It's not going to be
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Black Lives Matter holding any power at all. They'll use those idiots as long as they can to
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help win elections. It's not going to be the feminist movement holding any power. It's certainly
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not going to be the LGBTQ, however many letters there are, movement holding any power. But those
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are the foot soldiers on the front lines of the movement, selling things, selling oppression.
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You're a victim. You're a victim of this. Just elect me. Elect me. And I promise I'll hurt those
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people who've been hurting you. It's always the same. You ask how it ends? It ends with a bunch of
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people dying and misery. That's how communism always ends. So if it's not all of those oppression
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groups that end up holding the power, who is it? Are they just politicians? Is it a cohesive group
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of people? Is it the most power-hungry individuals that just happen to know how to capitalize on this
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cultural moment? Like, who are the people that are pushing what you call communism through these
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groups? Well, in this country, it'll be the tech guys, most likely. I could see it being the
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politicians. But in this country, the real power's with the tech. It's with the big tech guys. And
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they may not even know they're full-blown communists, but they are. Because they hold,
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they control all the information. I mean, we complain about censorship here, censorship there,
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Facebook, Twitter, whatnot. These are, this is the public square of today. This is how people consume
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their news. This is how people share their news. This is how people interact with each other.
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There's a YouTube, Google, all these things. And when these people decide what you and I can see,
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what we consume, they hold all the power in the world. They can decide elections. They can decide
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what people believe about a virus. But with the snap of their fingers, they control all that. So
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it could be them. It could be a politician. It's not going to be a lot of people, I'll tell you that,
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because it's never worked out that way ever. It'll be one guy or maybe two or three, some central
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committee. But even then, once they take all the power, then they murder each other.
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When Pol Pot's communists finally took over Cambodia, there were 22 of them in the central
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committee. Very shortly, 18 of them were dead too. Then they just turn on each other until you
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eventually end up with one man. That's how it worked.
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Right. And the communism that you see here and coming down the pipeline continually here,
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is it that same kind of, does it share the same goal as Pol Pot and Mao of complete,
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what the elites today call equity? Everyone's ending up in the same place. Or is it something
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different than that? Like, are the goals of American communists different than the
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No, our communists are the same as communists have always been. But as far as goals go,
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I want people to understand, I'm not saying all those groups I named and even the big tech guys or
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the politicians, I'm not even saying they know they're communists. A lot of these people do mean
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well. You take some, I use Black Lives Matter, so I'll bring it up again. You take some random
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Black Lives Matter group of 100 out there. 99% of those people believe they're championing equality
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or equal rights or something like that. People are going to march in the direction and carry the
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water for the communists for a long time before they look around and realize, oh, wow, this was
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all a lie and I'm in a lot of trouble now. It's just, it's not that they all have the communist goal
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in mind. We're just always going to the same place. Bill Gates is a great example, a great example of this.
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I can, I tell people all the time, this man is a monster, an absolute monster. And I don't think
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he thinks he's a monster. That that man would, would happily wipe out millions of people with his
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policies and not lose a second of sleep over it because he believes he's doing moral good.
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Mao murdered 70 million of his own people and slept like a baby every night and thought he was the good
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guy. They asked Pol Pot when he was dying, what he thought about all the people dead. He killed 25%
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of his country. He said, I'm not an animal. I'm a good guy. These people, the most dangerous people
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are the people who feel like they're morally right. That's the person who will kill everyone.
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Yeah. And in the same way, when you're talking about, for example, like LGBTQ, you're not talking
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about LGBTQ people necessarily. You're talking about that activist class who is championing,
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you know, uh, certain policies in the name of representing LGBTQ people, whether or not they
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actually do it. Right. Oh, of course. Of course. It's not an individual thing. I don't care what your
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choices make. That's your life. That's your choices. I'm talking about the activist political groups.
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And like I was just saying, most of the people who participate in this don't see themselves as
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communists. And when I accuse them of that, they're horrified. What are you talking about?
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I'm out here for gay rights. And I try to explain, you don't understand. No, you're not.
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You're out here giving power to other people who tell you they're going to give you some rights or
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give you something you think you lack. But in the end, brother, we're going to the same gulag.
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We'll be bunkmates. We're sitting right side by side. You're not going to have any power.
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Yeah. Which group do you think wakes up first? I would like to hope it's kind of like the pastor
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that you were talking about who started talking about white privilege, I'm sure, with the most
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pure biblical intentions in the world. But I'm not so sure about that. It certainly seems like
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the evangelical church is falling asleep fast to this kind of stuff.
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Believe me, this pains me to say as much as as much as anything I'll say on your show today,
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the pastors will be the last one. In America's version of Christianity, the pastors will be the
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last one. We've been blessed to live in a country where if you're a Christian person, you've been
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able to you can practice your faith openly. And for us, that's Christianity. Of course, I'm going to
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church on Sunday. Of course, I can talk about God with anybody I want or not talk about it.
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And we it's it's made a soft. It's made a soft American Christians who think a turn the other
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cheek is a salute. It's the only passage half American Christians know. That's not how Christianity
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is around the world where you have to hide or bring a weapon to church because you might not
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live when you get home. Our pastors today are so pillow soft. It's pathetic. Not all of them,
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obviously. They should be leading. But I have I have more faith that Black Lives Matter will come
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around before the American church. Yeah, you've already kind of seen him complain about Joe Biden not
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actually heeding any of their agenda items. But it seems to be the same cycle over and over again is
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that these groups are disappointed by the people they put in power, which are Democrats who, like
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you said, they gain power by promising to take out the oppressor and they never do. They actually become
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the oppressor. And it's not just here in America. We've seen the same thing, like you said, of course,
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in China and Cambodia, but also more recently in places like Zimbabwe, someone like Robert Mugabe
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comes to power. He tells the indigenous people there, look, these white farmers are the ones that
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are harming you. I'm going to help you get your land back by confiscating this property. And then
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what happens? The only people who are able to commercially farm and hoist up the economy of
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Zimbabwe, they leave because they have to. There's no more commercial farming than everyone who supported
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Robert Mugabe in the name of liberation is poorer than they've ever been. It always ends that way.
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And I'm just wondering why it seems that so many people don't understand these cycles. And every
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few years, we are left trying to explain to people that this does not end in equality and liberation.
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Like, what is it that blinds people to that reality?
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Humans want a savior. That's how we're made. That's how we're good. Human beings want a savior.
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And if you don't choose the right one, you're going to choose a political one and you'll do
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whatever you have to do as long as that person's just going to save you. We saw that in this country
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very much so with coronavirus when that popped out. The panic in this nation that people may die.
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Yeah, we're all going to die. I promise you that every single person watching right now is going
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to die. I'm going to die. You're going to die. My kids are going to die. My parents are going to die.
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That's life. Just someone save me. Someone please tell me what I have to do. Should I go home?
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Should I hide under my bed? Should I wear 14 masks? Should I live in a bubble? Should I just I
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don't want to die? What happened to the American mentality? They always want a savior. It's the
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human. It's human nature to want one. You will seek one out somewhere. And if you don't seek out
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the right one, you're screwed. Yeah. Tell us more how you think that the lockdowns have played into
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this communistic agenda. Oh, it's been heaven for them. Well, one, they found out how compliant
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the American public is. I don't believe for a second that this was this was planned from the
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beginning. And I'm not not tinfoil on your head guy. What I do believe is very quickly,
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the politicians looked around and the big tech guys looked around and realized, oh, man, these
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people, they'll do whatever we say. They're going to do whatever we say. We convinced them they're all
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going to die. Grandma's going to die. Mom's going to die. Kids are going to die. They'll now do whatever
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we say. I now can tell them, shut down your business and they'll just do it and go home,
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wear a mask all day long, six feet socially distant. Think about this. We remade American
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society. Make sure it's social distancing six feet away. We're all standing there trying to buy some
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eggs in the grocery store. You have to stand on the feet six feet away with plexiglass, only a huge gap
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that big in there. We did all that. Based on what? Based on what? Because some doctors said that do
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people honestly believe standing six feet away from everyone else is a solution to a virus. That's our
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advanced thing. But we scared people enough that we control them. And now people will be controlled.
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We show that the American public is not somehow hungering for freedom. Obviously, a bunch of people
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are probably obviously a large percentage of your viewers are. But as a whole, the American public got
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fat and rich and bored as every powerful nation eventually does. And now we're compliant, very,
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very compliant. Just scare us bad enough and tell us little Johnny's going to die and we'll do whatever
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we have to do to stop that from happening. And it's also strange, but I guess it's incongruence
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with everything that you just said. When there is a little bit of freedom given, like for example,
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in Texas, the governor saying, OK, we're going to lift this mask mandate. We're going to allow
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businesses to operate at 100 percent capacity. You have people very angry about that as if the
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governor is telling them that they cannot wear masks and that they actually have to go into some
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kind of mosh pit and swap spit with people. It's very strange how people are clamoring to be told what
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to do as if they don't have the freedom to exercise their choice. And if they want to wear seven masks,
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they can. I mean, what do you think is behind that? I guess just kind of what you said, people
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want to be controlled. They want that savior, right? They do. They do. They want to be saved.
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They want to be controlled. They want to be taken care of. Look, we act like because we're Americans
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and because we're so blessed to live here, we act as if people hunger for freedom. That's not true.
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That's not the history says that is not true. People under oppression hunger for freedom. People who get
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stuck with a bad king, a bad form of government, a fascist, a communist, whatever the case may be,
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and life sucks, they cry out for freedom. You're an American who came here and all of a sudden there
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are too many taxes. Brits are housed in your home. You cry out for freedom. But when you're fat and rich
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and bored and life is good and I've got Netflix whenever I want it, every person watching me right
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now, every single person watching us right now is living in a climate controlled area of some kind.
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It's probably 73 degrees for every person watching it. You lose that hunger for it.
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Eventually, you just want that to keep going. Just don't turn off my next Netflix. Don't stop the
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Starbucks line. Allow me to turn the air conditioning on and I'll do whatever you want. Just don't stop
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any of that. Just let me keep going because comfort is a dangerous thing. The human it's it's a it's poison
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for human being. And you've talked about a backlash to everything that's going on in the left,
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the communism that is kind of being pushed down our throats. You've talked about that we're
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eventually going to actually have a dictator. If we thought that Trump you've talked about was bad,
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if we thought that he was Hitler, just wait until we actually get the person who represents the
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backlash to all of the communism. So do you see this kind of desire to be controlled something that
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the right can fall into as well? Oh, the right can fall into the desire to be controlled. But when
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I talk about that, what I'm talking about is there's going to be a counterbalance and there's
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going to be an answer because society always seeks a balance. And there are simply too many people
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on the right right now who oppose everything that's going on. The numbers are too big when you
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talk about 60, 70 million people, gun owners and things like that. We it's not a tiny percentage of
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the population. The left can just snuff out. So there's going to be a response. And it's I'm I'd
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look, I'm scared for it. I'll be honest with you. It's it's going to be a violent response. They're
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going to get, we are going to have a fascist dictator rise from the right. It's a fact history shows it is
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a fact. The left is radical and violent and radical and violent and radical and violent. And the right
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will only take that so much. They'll only take so much of that. Within 10 years, shoot, maybe now
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within 10 years, people on the right on the Republican side would openly vote for somebody
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who would advocate for jailing journalists. Now, that's obviously not what I want. That's a blatant
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violation of the First Amendment. But that's the mood of the public. They're so tired of being spit on and
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spit on and shot. We forget the leftists have been killing people for four years now and violence and
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all this stuff. The right will demand an answer. That's why the right got Trump, who was so not
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traditional and people can't figure this out. Oh, he's a womanized. He'd been divorced. He's
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crude. He cusses. This is not the normal GOP thing. People don't understand. There's no longer
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a checklist of issues or personal life that matters on the right at all. All that's gone. There's no
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stat taxes or spending or abortion or whatnot. That's gone now. You will either a protect people
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on the right from the leftist hordes or you're gone. You either sell the public on that first or you're
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not qualified anymore. That's the only qualification that matters on the right. And as the left gets
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worse, that will get worse and it'll manifest itself in something really, really ugly. It will.
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And the left sees themselves, though, as reacting to the radicalism of the right. They see the right
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as violent. They look at, you know, storming the Capitol is just further evidence of fascism on the
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right. And so they almost see themselves as like the tolerant response to what has been happening
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on the conservative side. And there may be people listening who say, well, what about all this that
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happens on the right? What about these people who have perpetuated this violence? What do you say to
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that? Well, of course, that's what they believe. That's what they've been sold. And that's honestly
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what makes it so dangerous, Ali, because like I talked about earlier, I call it the system. They own
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the entire culture. Now we talk about fighting the culture war. We lost the culture war. The culture war is
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over. There's no war left. We lost. We're now the out of power rebel force that has to try to start
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taking it back. They own it all. They own the whole education system, the media, the Democratic Party.
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They own the FBI. They own the entire federal bureaucracy. They own it all. It's all them now.
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And when it's all them now, they're going to do what communists, in this case, cultural Marxists,
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have always done. They're going to try to finish off their political opponents. And how are they going to
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do that? They're going to find a way to demonize people like you and I. When we, when they say
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things like Nazi and white supremacists and Nazi and white supremacists, we laugh it off because
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we're not. Of course, they believe that these people, it is important for people to understand
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these individuals are not bad people. I'm not saying that, but they do believe you're a Nazi.
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And now let me ask everybody watching, what would your conscience allow you to do to a Nazi?
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What couldn't you do to a Nazi that would, that would be considered, but you can do anything to
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a Nazi. You want to line him up against the ditch and shoot him in the back of the head. You could,
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you'd turn to everybody and say, well, yeah, he's a Nazi. They think that they pull after pull after
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pull after pull shows the Democratic Party, the majority of Democratic voters do think people on
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the right are Nazis. That's why this situation is getting so dangerous because that's what they
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think. It's not true, but they believe it. And so what do we do as anti-communists,
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as what you described as a rebel force? Because you also talk about on Twitter, how military is
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being taken over by things like critical race theory, which is a form of communism.
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Are, is it, is it just, I mean, are we totally powerless? Is it going to be some future generation
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that finally sees the tide turn? Should we just bury our, our heads in the sand and hope for the
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best? I mean, what's the plan of action? No, no, no, no. Of course not. What we have to do is
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first, the reason I talk about this stuff so much is not because I want people to get down and out.
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I want people to understand our current situation. And so many on the right, this is our problem.
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They don't understand it. They're, they're already here to hear them talking about all the time.
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Well, let's just win some midterms and maybe we'll get a good president in 2024. That doesn't
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solve our cultural problems. Our cultural problems are so much deeper than who's president
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or who controls the house, but you don't give up. What you have to do now is identify the people who
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think like you, who believe what you believe. And there are millions of them. You're not alone on the
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right and go there. I understand it's easy for me to say, and not everyone can move. And people
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are in different situations. It is critical if at all possible for you to get to a red area
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and make it redder, move to a conservative state, move to a conservative town and filtrate your school
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board. And don't stop the leftists. You push your agenda, your cultural agenda and filtrate your city
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council, your mayor, your state, go make red areas, redder, balkanize and separate. So you can live
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around people who share your values. I'm in Texas, but I think it came out yesterday. The Alabama
00:23:00.500
legislature just passed. Oh shoot. When was this? It wasn't yesterday. Either way, the Alabama
00:23:05.520
legislature just passed legislation that said it is a felony to give transgender hormones to an
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underage person, to a child, to force a child into something like that. It is a felony. That's the kind
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of place I want to live. If you're the type of person who believes it's okay to do that to a child,
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go live somewhere else. Just find a community, find a neighborhood, find a town, find a state and go
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there. Because the federal government as it stands now is lost. People talk about great governors.
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Ron DeSantis is a great one. I call him heavy D. I want him to run for president. I want him to run
00:23:40.200
for president. Why? Why do we want to take him in an area and throw him into an area that's lost when
00:23:47.000
he's doing great for Florida? I don't know that I want him to run for president. Maybe I want to move
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to Florida instead. Yeah. What do you think about people who want Trump to run for president again
00:23:56.560
in 2024? Oh, I totally get the sentiment. He's by far the most popular Republican in America. And I
00:24:03.460
thought he did an outstanding job as president. I was a fan. His spending levels were absolutely
00:24:08.560
unacceptably bad. And his hiring and firing was so bad it was borderline embarrassing. I do not want
00:24:14.640
him to run again simply because I think it's time for fresh blood. But look, he's going to win if he
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runs. And I'll be behind him all the way. He's the best foreign policy president by a mile.
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And to his credit, even though his background was different than others, he did as much for
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pro-life and stuff like that, which I'm passionate about, as any Republican I've ever known. He was
00:24:33.940
dynamite on those issues. I don't give a crap. He got divorced a bunch.
00:24:38.120
A lot of people, it seems like, at least in my circles, the vast majority of people listening to
00:24:44.100
and watching this podcast are Christian conservative women. And a lot of them who consider themselves
00:24:48.920
more moderate would say, OK, you know, I'd vote for someone like Nikki Haley or I'd vote for someone
00:24:55.020
like Tim Scott or, you know, someone like that. I just don't think that that is necessarily the
00:25:00.960
direction that the Republican Party is going in 2024. Do you? It's not the direction it's going.
00:25:07.040
It's not the direction it should go. And look, I don't really care for either of those politicians
00:25:11.540
for different reasons, and I'm happy to go into those. But the truth is, we're all built
00:25:16.620
for certain things, for a certain time. I'm 6'8". I'm never going to pilot your plane for you. I
00:25:22.040
don't fit in the cockpit. That whole, you can be anything you want to be is such a lie. We've
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sold America's kids forever. You're built for certain things. God made you for certain things.
00:25:31.340
Not every politician is made for the time they're put in. Trump was perfect for this time. And the
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next politician, it's going to be someone similar to that. It doesn't have to be quite as bombastic
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and someone who makes especially suburban women cringe the way Trump did. But that's the kind of
00:25:47.860
person you're going to get. It's going to be some kind of fighter who makes people who are kind of
00:25:52.720
sensitive, uncomfortable. But it is going to be an uncomfortable political environment now,
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and there's nothing that's going to change that.
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Do you have any hope that Republicans can win elections when there seems to be a lot of
00:26:03.420
concern about the integrity of the elections? And some people are just saying, well, I'm not
00:26:07.900
going to vote until that's taken care of. Is that something that you're worried about?
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Of course I'm worried about it. And anyone who says they're not is either an idiot or they're
00:26:15.280
lying to you. However, what's the other option? Quit and go home? We can't do that. I mean,
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I do feel an obligation as someone who won life's lottery to be born in the United States of America.
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I do feel an obligation to fight as hard as I can to try to keep the place. And I've got kids.
00:26:32.220
I've got two sons. Mine are 10 and 12. I'd like them to not grow up in some communist sinkhole.
00:26:37.900
So no, I'm not going to stay home because it's stolen. What kind of teenager attitude is that?
00:26:42.120
We still have to fight as hard as we can and let the chips fall where they may.
00:26:46.500
So do you think it's possible if we apply your wisdom to balkanize and to surround ourselves with
00:26:53.200
people who are like-minded and push back against this stuff, do you think it is possible for us to
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push back enough against communism and these communist forces for us not to be taken over
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in that way before we get to the gulags? Yes. Oh, of course it's possible. But we have to have an
00:27:14.520
entire wholesale mentality change on the right. And that'll be most difficult actually for the
00:27:20.700
Christian conservative women in our movement. And I know because my wife's one of them,
00:27:25.340
the ones you talked about, because a woman's, a woman's nature is different than a man's nature.
00:27:30.240
We're going to have to do things that are more aggressive in the future. You cannot defend,
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you cannot say no, your way out of communism. You can't live and let live your way out of communism.
00:27:40.720
It has never been done. It never will be done. The future is going to involve us doing things that
00:27:45.720
make us a little uncomfortable, make our skin crawl a little in order to defeat them because
00:27:50.400
they're never going to get tired. It is not a political ideology. It is a religion of domination.
00:27:56.140
Then they are in it all the way. They eat, sleep and breathe it. And so you had better do something
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to beat those hordes back off the wall or they're never going to quit. So we have to make them quit.
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And that, I don't love that either. I hate that, but that's the truth.
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Yeah. I think for a lot of women and maybe just for a lot of Christians in general,
00:28:15.020
it is in particular the racial issues that are kind of a sticking point for them.
00:28:20.700
They don't want to say that Black Lives Matter is a Marxist organization. They don't want to say
00:28:25.660
that America is not systemically racist. They don't want to push back against critical race theory or
00:28:31.000
their kids reading Ibram X. Kendi in school because the last thing that they want to be seen as is racist
00:28:36.900
and hateful. I see a lot of Christians being like, you know, I'm going to stand strong on the gender
00:28:41.380
stuff. God made the male and female all stand strong on the definition of marriage. That's
00:28:45.720
pretty clear in the Bible, but it is the stuff that's coming in the form of so-called racial justice
00:28:51.980
that they don't know how to push back against and they don't want to push back against.
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Can you just talk about why that's another form of the kind of communism that you've been talking
00:29:03.120
about? Well, that's the Americanized version of Christianity I was talking about earlier because
00:29:08.840
you're right. And that's why that's what you hear from the pulpit. Look, you honestly, like you just
00:29:13.520
pointed out, you don't hear much of, well, you can marry anyone you want. It's fine from the pulpit.
00:29:18.260
That is something they'll hold fairly strong. And I realize there are outliers there, but the race
00:29:23.340
stuff gets to you because there's enough truth to the fact we have slavery in our history in this
00:29:29.940
country. We did have a pretty racist nation at one point in time. There's enough truth there that it
00:29:36.940
was the ultimate avenue for the communists to get involved in the church. But look, if your pastor
00:29:42.520
is up there saying you owe something to somebody or you're owed something by somebody because of the
00:29:50.880
color of your skin, that is the most unbiblical thing I have ever heard in my entire life. And I'm
00:29:57.500
not saying your pastor is a bad guy. I am saying he's too weak and stupid to lead you and your family
00:30:04.260
and you should pack up and run for the door. Don't walk, sprint for the door and never walk
00:30:09.260
back in. We are all equal in the eyes of God. You don't owe anybody a daggone thing, nothing. And
00:30:17.340
nobody's owed a daggone thing and you won't be given it in this life. This is all just an avenue for you
00:30:22.880
to be dominated by someone and you don't have to accept that. What does it say? Not a spirit of
00:30:28.220
timidity, but of power. That's exactly what we have.
00:30:33.220
Yes. And I think it's so important for us to be critical thinkers as Christians, because obviously
00:30:37.720
we care about real injustice when it happens, whether it's perpetrated towards someone who
00:30:42.360
is black or white or Asian, wherever it is. And of course, we care about that. We speak up when we
00:30:47.680
believe, for example, a police officer, I know you've done this, uses his authority in a way that is
00:30:52.820
abusive, no matter who it is against. Like we care about that stuff. We speak up against this stuff.
00:30:57.740
But what you are speaking against and what I've spoken against is this kind of collectivist
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justice that categorizes people in oppressed versus oppressor based on their skin color.
00:31:09.280
That's not biblical. That is a form of communism. And like you said at the beginning of this,
00:31:14.040
it doesn't matter that you're out there raising a fist for Black Lives Matter. We're going to the same
00:31:18.960
gulag. Like that's not going to insulate you from the attacks of the communists. Could you end with
00:31:26.580
some advice and some wisdom you've given us a lot already and some encouragement for people
00:31:31.260
who are just, they're just worried about the future that you have described? Give us a little
00:31:37.340
bit more that we can take home and not despair. I will. All right. Well, first of all, you asked about
00:31:43.160
what I would say to Christians and stuff like that. I would say this, just understand God did not make
00:31:47.820
white people. God made you. God made you an individual, whether you're white or black or
00:31:52.600
whatever. You are an individual. You're not responsible for anything anyone else did. You
00:31:56.640
don't have, you don't, you're not owed anything. You are an individual sacred. That's how he made
00:32:02.080
you. Every hair on your head, he designed it. You don't have to feel some burden that you have to
00:32:07.140
take on some burden that's not yours. So you need to let all that crap go. Two, you do have to take
00:32:12.440
some practical steps if possible. I understand everyone has different situations to get to an
00:32:18.360
area, a physical area where people live, work and worship the same way you do. I've done it.
00:32:24.020
I'm not telling you to do anything I haven't done. I've moved across the country several times.
00:32:27.680
I'm in a place now where they think like me. They talk like me. They believe what I believe.
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It is a better life. It is a better life. Go there. And that's where your protection is. All is not lost.
00:32:39.460
You just have to completely reframe how you think about where we are. It's not,
00:32:44.600
ah, we have the midterms coming up. We have lost, but that's fine. It could be a blast being a rebel
00:32:49.680
too. We just have to change our mentality. You are now the counterculture and that's going to be a
00:32:54.040
blast. And one last thing. What if their kids are still going to public school? Get your kids out of
00:32:59.880
government schools. And again, I understand everybody, everyone has their own situation and
00:33:04.800
I'm not telling you everybody just can snap their fingers tomorrow and do it. I don't care if you
00:33:08.540
have to homeschool it. I don't care if you have to identify a private school, maybe a religious one
00:33:13.660
of your choice, do a charter school, whatever you have to do, get your kids out of government
00:33:20.100
schools. They are teaching your children to hate themselves and hate America. That's why half the
00:33:24.740
country does now because they've all been filtered through that system. Get them out.
00:33:29.620
Yes. And amen. Okay. Thank you so much, Jesse. And remind everyone where they can find you,
00:33:34.600
how they can follow and support you. I have a nationally syndicated radio show,
00:33:39.040
the Jesse Kelly show on Monday through Friday. And my TV show I'm right is on every single night
00:33:43.980
on the first 9 p.m. Eastern. Awesome. Thank you so much, Jesse. Be good, Ali.