Ep 435 | Is Virtual Church 'Loving Your Neighbor'? | Q&A
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In today's Q&A episode, I answer a listener's question about whether or not it's irresponsible to go to church during a crisis and how to respond to a christian who says it s irresponsible to attend church during one.
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hey guys welcome to relatable hope everyone is having a wonderful day a wonderful week today
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we're doing another q a episode and if you're new here i am currently on maternity leave and so
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we are doing these kind of evergreen episodes where we're not following the news cycle but
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i'm doing lots of amazing interviews every week and then i'm also doing these q a episodes i'm also
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doing some topical episodes as well and so in these q a episodes i just take questions that you
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guys sent me from instagram and i answer them and so i usually only get through a few because they
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make me think about other things that i want to explain but you guys sent me a lot of awesome
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questions and so i'm going to answer as many as i can over the next few weeks and if you didn't
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submit any questions that's okay every episode of these q a's i guarantee has something that maybe
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you were curious about or wanted to ask me about and so hopefully they will be productive and helpful
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to you as well the first question i want to answer today is how you respond to someone to a christian
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who says it's irresponsible to go to church during covid there's been a lot of uh there's been a lot
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of dialogue a lot of discussion and debate about that from the very beginning now i would say most
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churches at the beginning of this whole thing about a year ago said okay we're going to just do
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remote services because we don't know how bad this is going to be we didn't know like we were told that it
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could be a 20 fatality rate and we just didn't know how terrible it was going to be and of course
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we thought it was going to be 15 days to slow the spread lol and so we thought this whole thing was
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going to be very temporary and so i think a lot of churches just said you know not meeting in person
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for a few weeks is not that big of a deal people are going to be able to do this remotely we'll come
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back together when it's safer and then the longer this went on the longer we realized that
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oh this is not going to just be 15 days to slow the spread this is maybe even going to be more than
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15 months to allegedly slow the spread there were churches that said okay well at some point
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we've got to meet together because yes as the saying goes the church gathered is still the church
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scattered no god is not a building no you don't have to be sitting in a pew to experience god or to
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worship god but those are not the only functions of the church someone who says that a church is just
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you know about experiencing god or learning about god or worshiping about god singing to god doesn't
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really understand what the church is it's true that the church scattered or the church gathered and the
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church is also the church scattered so you can experience all of those things in your living room as well
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but there is a command to corporate worship and to gathering in person in scripture hebrews 10 tells us
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this very quickly or very clearly rather in verses uh 24 through 26 and let us consider how to stir up
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one another to love in good works not neglecting to meet together as is the habit of some but encouraging
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one another and all the more as you see the day drawing near and sorry that's 24 through 25 and so
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that's pretty clear and christians during this time certainly faced um threats they certainly faced
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danger that could possibly kill them that could possibly take their lives and god knew about
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coronavirus in 2020 when he gave this command this was not something that was just exclusive to this
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time in space i mean he was talking about the importance of meeting together there are things
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that cannot be done individually when it comes to worship and when it comes to church that must be done
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corporately like the edification um of believers in person encouragement having people bear your burdens there is also
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something about singing together that is different than singing individually um and church isn't just about what
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you're getting it's not just about these spiritual experiences it's also um it's also about what you can give
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like what kind of encouragement you can give the gift that your presence brings the comfort that your presence
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brings to someone else your ability to pray for someone in person all of these things are a part of church
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now for those of you who are vulnerable and or you live maybe with an elderly person and you just
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haven't been able to safely go out in public i do think that there's a lot of grace it's amazing actually
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that we live in this time where we are able to attend church remotely that we do have the
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technology to access the ability to be able to hear the gospel from you know anywhere that has
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internet internet access on earth that's amazing and god uses those tools to bring people to him
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but at some point we have to assess the risks versus the benefits we have to look at the commands that
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the bible gives us and says okay like what am i commanded to do
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and i think also as in all things we have to look at our hearts and we have to look at our
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motivations and we have to ask ourselves why am i not going to church is it because of this
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overriding fear of a virus that yes of course it has killed people but has an over 99 survival rate
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for most people for most people for most groups of people it is just as fatal as the flu
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now for older populations it is much more fatal than the flu and of course we care about
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those populations absolutely but if we're just looking at the numbers that the cdc gives us
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um it is just it is comparably as deadly for most people under the age of 60 um as other viruses are
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and so we have to also be very honest with ourselves about why we're not going to church is it really
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because of this virus is it because you're trying to care for your neighbors or does it have to do more
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with the fact that you've just gotten used to sitting in your living room when it comes to church
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rather than gathering and i don't think that that's a good reason to look past hebrews 10 24
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through 25 and by the way it should also be stated that there are safe ways like if you really are
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worried about the virus or if you're worried about the people around you there are safe ways
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that you can gather in person like you can wear a mask if you want to you don't have to be within
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six feet of people we've been going to church since april last april and um honestly we just don't
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get within six feet of people and that's not necessarily purposely that's just kind of how it
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is a lot of people aren't hugging or shaking hands or things like that and so we're still seeing our
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sunday school class we're still seeing you know seated remotely close to people but most people are
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just kind of naturally spreading out and we haven't had close interaction with people and if the science is
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still the same which i haven't gotten any message that it's not that you are in risk of getting it
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if you are in if you are within six feet of someone then being spread out and being six feet away from
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everyone except for your family is not a scenario from what we know from the data for spreading the
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virus and so it is definitely possible it is definitely i think edifying and important to meet in person
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and still try to protect yourself as much as you can and protect the people around you as much
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as you can there are so many different ways that you can do that it's so important for the church to
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continue to be a refuge from what the world is doing like the world is promoting isolation the world is
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promoting hyper individualism the world is promoting you carrying your burdens or paying hundreds of
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dollars an hour for someone to carry your burdens and i'm not by the way speaking in general against
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counseling and therapy i think that those can be very good tools but the church can also and should
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also be a place for people to be able to unload their burdens it's not the same doing that over
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the internet it's just not um and so there's going to be people who don't understand that there's
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going to be people who say it's irresponsible there's going to be people who had nothing to say about
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the blm riots who had nothing to say about people celebrating joe biden's win in the streets but are
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very concerned about 50 people sitting six feet apart in a sanctuary and for those people like
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you don't take your moral cues from them you don't take your directions from them if they're not worried
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about the spread of covid when it comes to hundreds of thousands of migrants untested infiltrating the
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united states if they're not worried about the riots and the protests and the mass celebrations
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of people on the left side of the aisle when it comes to the spread of covid then you don't have
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any reason to take them seriously when it when it comes to their purported concern of believers
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gathering together in a safe way in church um so just want to say that
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all right the next question what do i have to say about someone like don
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lemon saying that we need a real depiction of jesus so don lemon recently said as i'm recording
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this i'm recording this at the end of march he recently said you know jesus was black and like
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this is so important and it always confuses me when people think that this is like a gotcha
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like people are shocked by this this has been a talking point for several years now that by the way
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jesus was black jesus wasn't white jesus didn't look like you and i it's almost like you're looking for
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some kind of reaction from white evangelicals and you're just not getting it it's just like a
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shrug of the shoulders like okay i understand yes there are depictions from jesus of jesus uh from the
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west that have depicted him as this blonde hair blue-eyed guy there's also depictions of jesus
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in china of him as a chinese person their depictions of jesus is all different kinds of ethnicities and it
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typically reflects the artist um and it is inaccurate to say that jesus looked like a blonde-haired blue-eyed
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guy it's inaccurate to say that he was chinese we know that he was middle eastern we know that he was
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galilean um we know in general probably what he looked like but the the reason why it's just not a
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good point like why i don't care when don lemon says something like this is a way to try to um i don't i
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don't even know what he's trying to do try to provoke some kind of shock and dismay from white
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evangelicals from conservative people is because i don't care i don't care if i am worshiping if i am
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worshiping jesus because of his skin and not because of who he is not because he's god then i'm an idolater
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i don't have any business calling myself a christian if jesus is if jesus's skin helps you worship
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him more or prevents you from worshiping him or inhibits your worship then you don't know your
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savior you're worshiping some kind of cultural idol of melanin um rather than jesus as god so
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if you are someone who says well i can only worship a brown or black jesus okay well you don't worship
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christ that that's not what you're worshiping we don't worship his his skin color we don't worship
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his melanin count i mean that's part of why we really don't hear a lot of physical descriptions
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about jesus in the bible we've got isaiah 53 2 who says for he grew up before him like a young plant
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and like a root out of dry ground he had no form or majesty that we should look at him and no beauty
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that we should desire him so it's almost like god is making the point like look his outward appearance
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is not what this is all about it's about the redemption that he's going to offer you it's about the
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reconciliation about the propitiation about the sacrifice about um uh him becoming emmanuel him
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becoming um the the covering and the forgiveness of your sins um also if you are someone on the
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other side of this who is like well i can't worship a brown or black jesus i can only worship a white
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jesus which by the way i've never met that person i've met a lot more people who are much more
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emphatic about jesus's skin color being brown than people who are emphatic about jesus's skin color
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being white but hey if you are that person that's also idolatry like that's also a sin that that is
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also worshiping something that jesus is not and that the bible is very clear it doesn't matter when it
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comes to our love of jesus and our fidelity to jesus and again like i know that we use this term so much
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but it has well it has to do with liberation theology which sees in the world in the words
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of ibramax kindy is not is not something that views jesus as um the sacrificial lamb something
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that saves our souls but sees christianity as a means to revolutionize society and how it wants to
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revolutionize society um is always through top-down government intervention it's always through marxism
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liberation theology perpetuated primarily by james cone in the 20th century has its roots in the
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frankfurt school has its roots in marxism those aren't just boogeyman's that's just true you can
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study liberation theology that's what it is critical race theory and liberation theology for people who
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profess to be christians like ibramax kindy are inextricably intertwined you guys know critical
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race theory views the world through the lens of race through the lens primarily of black and white
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categorizes white categorizes white people as forms of oppressors categorizes black people non-white
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people usually just black people as uh as on the side of the oppressed and views every american system
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every institution every even interpersonal interaction um through that particular lens and then liberation
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theology comes along and says that christianity is supposed to um is meant to liberate the people who
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are on the side of the oppressed in particular black and brown people from the oppression that has
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weighed them down not spiritual oppression but physical economic oppression that's what christianity to
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the liberation theologian um is to christians who profess critical race theory it's wrong i mean it's
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not based on the bible jesus is not the social revolutionary you see a lot of these people also saying that
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jesus was a palestinian um that he was a palestinian refugee um socialist revolutionary and he wasn't any of
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those things palestine didn't exist that he was jewish that's actually by the way people don't realize
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when people say that jesus was a palestinian like that is a trope that's perpetuated by a lot of muslims
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in that region to try to claim jesus as their own to try to claim jesus as um as their own prophet and
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try to strip jesus of his jewishness it's an anti-semitic trope actually in an anti-christian
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trope this idea that jesus was a palestinian when the region of palestine was not established when jesus
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was around jesus was jewish he was a galilean he hailed originally from he was born in bethlehem and so
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um it's just inaccurate it's all an effort to try to make jesus into this marxist political figure and
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he just wasn't that and he also wasn't you know this american flag carrying a capitalist either and
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i'm certainly not saying that when we try to make god into our image no matter what it is whether it's
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a political image or a racial image whether you're on the right or the left the prosperity gospel is
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typically associated with the right sees jesus as some sort of genie then you've got this narcissistic
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gospel which says jesus is just a cheerleader who comes along for the right of my life and tells me
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how pretty i am and then you've got the liberation theology critical race theory jesus that sees him
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as this black palestinian freedom fighter marxist all of it is wrong like all of that is idolatry jesus is
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who he says that he is jesus is who he says that he is in john one jesus is what scripture tells us
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that he is he is god made flesh he's emmanuel god with us he is the word that was with god in the
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beginning who is god himself who laid down his life for his sheep so that we could be a sinful people
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reconciled to a holy god be forgiven and spend forever with him he is lord he is king he is coming
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back and he is going to avenge all evil that has ever been done in the history of the world he will
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establish a new heaven and a new earth and he will rule in perfect peace and we won't be having these
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disagreements anymore and we certainly won't be quibbling over what jesus looked like now i want to read
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you this interesting passage from j.i packer's classic work which is knowing god now he has a
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very interesting perspective on this on images of jesus this would include a crucifix by the way
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but he asserts that it's idolatry to have any depictions of jesus at all and i think he makes
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an interesting argument in his book he quotes charles hodge first he says idolatry consists not only in
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the worship of false gods but also in the worship of the true god by images in its christian application
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this means that we are not to make use of visual or pictorial representations of the triune god
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or of any person of the trinity for the purposes of christian worship the commandment thus deals not
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with the object of our worship but with the manner of it what it tells us is that statues and pictures
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of the one whom we worship are not to be based as an aid to worshiping him images dishonor god for
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they obscure his glory the likeness of things in heaven sun moon stars and in earth people animals
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birds insects and in the sea fish mammals crustaceans is precisely not a likeness of their creator a true
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image of god wrote calvin is not to be found in all the world and hence his glory is defiled and his
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truth corrupted by the lie whenever he is set before our eyes in a visible form therefore to devise any
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image of god is itself impious because by this corruption his majesty is adulterated and he is
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figured to be other than he is of course they are talking about violating the second commandment we are
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not to make idols we are not to image or we're not to fashion anything um in the likeness of god for
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the purposes of worship i think that part is important and so this whole conversation about what
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jesus looked like and how he must be brown or he must be white or he must be palestinian or he must
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be whatever he is jesus is who he is and he is to be worshiped as he is and again uh trying to say that
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he has to be one way for us to um worship him or for him to solicit our adoration or our following
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you're an idolater you're an idolater if that is your mindset you're not a believer
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i'm just going to be harsh there that's not me that's not me saying that that is scripture saying
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that you are an idolater if that is your fixation on skin rather than your own sin and the salvation
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that jesus gives you by his death and resurrection um and so we have to worship him for who he is not
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who we want him to be not even an accurate depiction of what he might look like that's not
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important to our worship because again isaiah 53 2 tells us everything we need to know about jesus's
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next question someone asked me what my favorite food is a little change of tune here um you know
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it's very difficult it's very difficult to say i would say tax max i would say like give me some good
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queso chips um uh some tacos fajitas i really like fajitas really like queso really like good guacamole
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if i do say so myself i make really good guacamole it's very it's not hard to do so i don't feel bad
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about bragging about that the key is i don't do i don't do parsley i think some people put parsley in there
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i put garlic salts and lime and sometimes feta sometimes peppers and onions sometimes um and a
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lot of lime juice the key is a lot of salt and a lot of lime juice not too much but a lot um you got
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to get the ratio right um it's really not hard to make a guacamole though get yourself some soft
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avocados but you know right before they turn brown which is very difficult to do that might be the
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hardest part about making guacamole um but that is uh that's one of my i would say few winning recipes
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good recipes is my guacamole recipe but yeah i would say tax mix is probably my favorite it's probably my
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favorite food i love fried chicken too love some biscuits i just love bread i love carbs
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and um i would say though i would say that tax mix has all of those has a lot of carbs i like some good
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fajitas so you need to think about this you need to ask your spouse this you need to ask your loved one
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you need to think like if you could only have one kind of meal like one kind of food for the rest of your
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life what would it be like would it be italian food would it be american food like hamburgers and
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and fries i know that technically both of those come from different countries but they're very
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american would it be like and think about everything that comes with that like if you're if you've got
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italian food you've got a wide range you've got like caprese that you could eat you've also got pizza
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you've also got pasta you've also got lots of different kinds of bread so you really have a wide
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range if italian food is what you pick same thing with greek food like you could eat unhealthy i love greek
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food you could eat super healthy with greek food you could also have a lot of like pita and things
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like that which is not necessarily that healthy so would you choose that would you use tax-mex you
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could also you can make tax-mex healthy for sure if you cut out some of the bread that's used um would
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you do some kind of asian food in my pregnancy i was really craving um i was really craving uh japanese
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food we have a japanese place close to us that we really like i don't know why but like miso soup
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just sounded really good it's just sounded really good in my pregnancy and so we've had that probably
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like every other week which is kind of a lot but you know supporting small business and so you need to
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think about this it's a very important question what kind of food like what genre of food if you could
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only eat that for the rest of your life would you would you pick um there's a lot to think about
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there there's a lot of complexities there's a lot of nuance and so i would just encourage you to
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consider that um all right the next question is another big question how is intersectionality
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different than critical theory so intersectionality is a part of critical theory and i kind of already
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explained critical race theory but there are different forms of critical theories that are not just
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critical race theory there's queer theory and there's um like uh there's feminist theory
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gender theory and things like that and they all kind of fall under this on umbrella of the oppressed
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versus the oppressor it just depends on who you see as those playing those primary characters whereas
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critical race theory sees it as black versus white and it's really actually not that easy because in
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critical race theory they would say even someone who is black but who says for example that they're
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not oppressed that they're you know they haven't been oppressed by white supremacy or that if they
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don't believe in systemic racism which is the central claim of critical race theory then critical race
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theory would say that that person is not necessarily truly black like they would say that that person has
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internalized whiteness and has internalized white supremacy they don't critical race theory doesn't
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necessarily put for example like jewish people and asian people on their side of non-white sometimes
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those categories according to crt are white adjacent they would say and so you can see the
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constant contradictions and just the exhaustion that comes with critical theory all forms of critical
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theory queer theory is kind of the same way you've got different forms of feminist theory part of that
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is standpoint epistemology which is also used by all different forms of critical theory including critical race
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theory standpoint epistemology you know epistemology has to do with knowledge knowing knowledge the
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pursuit of knowledge understanding knowledge and a standpoint epistemology says that you find knowledge
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you can search for truth from your standpoint not from objective reality not from the scientific method it
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actually rejects those forms of objectivity as as um as holding up hegemony i know i'm using a lot of
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annoying terms right now but holding up hegemony is like power structure so holding up whiteness it
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standpoint epistemology in the world of critical theory it gets rid of that idea of objectivity and says no
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true truth real truth can only be known from someone's standpoint real truth is actually subjective
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um and that is how you get this idea of if you're white you can't speak to this or if you're straight
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or if you're cisgendered or if you're all of these terms because of your privilege and because you're on
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the side of the oppressed you can't speak to all of these issues you have to have someone who or because
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you're on the side of the oppressor sorry um but you have to have someone explain this to you who is black
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who is gay who is trans or whatever because your privilege your skin color your cisgenderedness your
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uh heterosexuality actually blind you from real truth so standpoint epistemology would say
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from the standpoint of the so-called oppressed that is how you get the truth about the world and you see
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how problematic that is when we see all truth as subjective when we see it all as arbitrary then it
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just becomes a bludgeon with which to beat the masses into submission i mean that's what we see in
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every dystopian novel that's what we see in something like um 1984 where there exists no objective reality
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outside of what the party outside of what big brother in 1984 tells you and so if big brother if the
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leading of the ruling party in 1984 told uh tells them hey two plus two equals five then you have
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no way to actually refute that because there doesn't exist a transcendent reality that is bigger than the
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people that are in charge that's what standpoint epistemology does that's why someone like iber max
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kindy will not debate someone like john mcwarder won't have a conversation with someone like coleman hughes
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won't talk to glenn lowry won't actually have his ideas tested because he he believes in this
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kind of subjective truth like he believes in the standpoint epistemology that actually can't be
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argued and the whole thing is is a kafka trap and the whole and the whole thing is a way to make sure
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that it can't actually be argued against it's non-falsifiable that's where you get this kind of
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assertion that um well you're either you are either racist or anti-racist according to iber mexicante
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you can't actually be not racist and if you deny that you're racist that's actually just proof that
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you're racist so that's a kafka trap that's like you know salem witch trials kind of thing if you
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deny that you're a witch that's actually evidence that you are a witch and so i mean you're for lack
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of a better word screwed either way and according to whom according to the people whose standpoint
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has decided what is authoritative truth on this particular subject um and that's why it's better
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just to get rid of all of it it's not possible to take parts of these critical theories um and
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apply it to your own worldview they are in themselves a worldview they redefine what truth is they redefine
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what oppression is they redefine what right and wrong is they have their own idea of a salvation even
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they have their own idea of eschatology the end times like what the world should look like they have
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their own idea of what liberation looks like that is contrary to the christian worldview
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iber mexicante actually said um he was speaking at a speaking at a church and he actually said
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on video that he rejects the kind of orthodox christian belief that jesus died for our sins
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and he believes that christianity is actually a form of a revolution like we were talking about to
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revolutionize society and then he goes on to say that anti-racism is salvation anti-racism of course
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his definition of anti-racism um is uh is a way to save humanity and so he doesn't deny that humanity
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needs a savior he just denies that it's jesus and it's actually his own program it's actually his form
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anti-racism which i'm sure can sell a whole lot of books which is very um which is very convenient
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that was all a precursor you asked about intersectionality what is intersectionality
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intersectionality like standpoint epistemology is part of critical theory and it's just a way to try to
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describe the different identities and the cultural capital that is assigned to each identity that is
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like a conservative way to explain it someone who is a progressive would not explain it that way they
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would say it's a way to just understand people and like their different backgrounds and their different
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um you know the different things they identify as like you've probably seen people say if your
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feminism is it intersectional i don't want anything to do with it and what they mean by that is that
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you know they would say that white feminism has been problematic and so you need to make sure that
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you're including like black trans women in your in your feminism um so intersectionality it takes stock
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of all of your different identities and it assigns oppression points to those identities and so i have like
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one oppression point because i'm a woman but i don't i'm you know i don't have anything else other than
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that according to this worldview of critical theory and intersectionality i am you know of what they
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would say a straight cisgendered christian white privileged female and therefore again according to
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a standpoint epistemology i can't really know truth i just need to quote listen and learn to other people
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tell me what truth is and if i try to deny that or push back on it it's just a sign of my white supremacy
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so you see how this is why you say that just like you know rushland ball used to say that politics
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is um politics is uh show business for ugly people crt is intellectualism for dumb people now when i say
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that i'm not saying that everyone who believes in crt is dumb because i don't believe that just like
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not everyone in politics is ugly but it is a way for people who are not very intellectually savvy
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and who don't have a whole lot of ability to actually reason it is a way for them to feel
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intellectual because the whole thing is non-falsifiable because it's all based on subjective
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interpretations of what reality is um and intersectionality is just a way to categorize
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people your intersectionality has to do with your sexual orientation with your so-called gender identity
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with your religion and in the world of leftism and intersectionality it is the the white cisgendered
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straight christian male that has all of the privilege and therefore must kind of be taken down in some way
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um and you know the more transgender and queer and non-christian and non-western and non-white you are
00:33:48.260
the more intersectional you are and they use these kinds of intersectional identities as the basis
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on which they decide like who to listen to on certain subjects again if their politics and their
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ideology that they are purporting are correct that's why they hate people who have intersectional
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intersectional identities who don't agree with them on everything so that's why for example they would
00:34:11.620
say that someone who is black who doesn't hold to their the idea that they're an oppressor they would
00:34:15.520
call them an uncle tom they would call them a sellout they would say that you're not really black or
00:34:19.680
whatever same thing with someone who is gay who might be a conservative they would say that that
00:34:24.680
person is an embarrassment um to uh to lgbtq people how they're selling out how they're self-hating they
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would say the same thing about me as a woman who is pro-life they would say that oh that's just
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internalized misogyny and so they will dismiss anyone who has any sort of intersectional identity who
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doesn't agree with the politics of most people who have that intersectional identity or don't agree
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with the politics of leftism and try to justify their disagreement by invalidating them again that's
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the problem with the idea that it's um that's our our study of knowledge and truth comes from a
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standpoint rather than objective reality it's all a product of post-modernism which questions absolute
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truth and as you can see that bucks up against christianity john 14 6 jesus says i am the way
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the truth and the life no one comes to the father except through me we do believe in absolute truth
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both revealed rev or both general revelation that we see in science that we see in nature and special
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revelation that we see in scripture that believers have access to and have been given the faith to
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understand and believe in um and so these two lines of thinking are totally they're totally
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incongruent not to mention that god doesn't see us by those different identities he doesn't categorize
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people as oppressed versus oppressor but based on those identities and he doesn't judge us based on
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those identities you are we are going to be judged for what we say for what we do here on earth and if our
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name by the by the blood of the lamb is not written in the book of life if we are not in christ then
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we will suffer eternal wrath but in christ we get forgiveness for all of those things as individuals
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um and we get to spend forever with him and so no one's let off the hook because of their
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intersectional identity and eternity just fyi all right that's all we have time for today thank you
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guys so much for listening i will be back here soon