Ep 438 ｜ Turns Out Joe Biden Isn't Much of a Moderate ｜ Guest： Dave Rubin
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In this episode of Relatable, I chat with Dave Rubin about the craziness of the Biden administration and what we can expect out of the next few years, looking back over the past decade, and how we ve really changed as a country for better and for worse.
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Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Today I am talking to a good friend of the show, Dave Rubin. I've
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had him on twice before. Always an interesting conversation and lots of insight to glean from
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him. So I'm so excited for you to listen to us chat about the craziness of the wokeness of the
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Biden administration and what we can expect probably out of the next few years looking back
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over the craziness of COVID restrictions and what it's all meant and how we've really changed
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as a country for better and for worse. Without further ado, here is Dave Rubin.
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Dave, thanks so much for joining me yet again. I am excited to be with you if for no other reason
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than just the incredible lighting that exists here. That's what everyone says. I'm very particular
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and they did a good job. Everyone looks good in this lighting. I told you we had to rejigger our
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entire operation after I was on your show last time. I was like, guys, that's the way I want to
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look. I know. Well, I want it to feel like it's outdoors. And as you can see, you know, we've got
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the natural light coming in right there. That's not real? No, it is real. I thought we were sitting on a
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my large piece of land. Yes. Okay. So tell us, tell us what's going on. Tell us your assessment
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of the world in this Biden administration, not the outcome that we wanted. We're recording this
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in January. This will come out later. So we're still kind of shell shocked a little bit. Yeah.
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Lots of executive orders, lots of wokeness. People told us he was the moderate. He was the normal guy.
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Well, I think you and I, yeah, I think you and I were amongst the short list of people that were
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telling people that he's going to be the vessel that brings in the wokeism, right? That there was
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a lot of people, my last few remaining good liberal friends who will still talk to me, you know, they
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kept saying, oh, don't worry. They didn't go with the crazy stuff. They didn't go with Bernie. They
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didn't go with Elizabeth Warren. They went with the old moderate, old Joe. He was the VP. He's been in
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government forever. He won't usher in all this craziness. And I think what's become very obvious
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in just a couple of weeks of this with all the executive actions and all the messaging
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about, you know, it's just nonstop about race, sex, gender, climate, and then the magic word equity
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instead of equality, which is the most dangerous word we have in America right now. I think what's
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surprising people is how quickly they're going after all of it. Like there's, there's nothing in the
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woke bag that they haven't just grabbed for right now. Like if there's a bag of woke tricks,
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man, they're pulling them all out right now. They're juggling all of them. They're showing
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them to all of us. There's no shame involved right now. Like they're just going for all of it.
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And I would say the unfortunate part is that I don't think that the Joe Biden that was in public
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life for, you know, four decades, almost five decades. I don't think this is the Joe Biden
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that we have now, you know, or that Joe Biden is not this Joe Biden in that. I do think he was a
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more moderate Democrat. I think he believed in the inherent goodness of America. And at 78 years old,
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I just don't think he knows what he believes anymore. I think they push him out there to sign
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these things. He often seems confused and not sure what he's signing. He can't find where he's putting
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his pen, et cetera, et cetera. And it's like, so at that level, at a human level, it's actually sort of
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sad what they're doing to him. And by the way, it'll all break one day. It'll all, the story will
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break that they've known something is not right here, but the, at the sort of macro level of what's
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happening to society, it's, it's not good. It ain't good. That's why I'm glad to be out on a
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pasture with you. Oh yeah, me too. Well, that's exactly why I moved out here just in the middle
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of nowhere. So talk to me about the difference between equity and equality and why all of these
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executive orders and some of the proposals that we're seeing are really under this umbrella
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of maybe what sounds like to some people, fairness, equality, things that people say that they want.
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Tell me the difference. Tell me why it's dangerous. Well, I would say equity is the most dangerous
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word, as I said, that we have going around right now that in terms of what's flying around in our
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lexicon, what's in the zeitgeist. Well, we hear equity all the time. This is not a word that we heard
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that often a couple of years ago, right? You'd hear about equality. What does America do? America
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gives you equality of opportunity. We have laws that do not discriminate in the cases over 250
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years where we had laws that did discriminate slavery, women couldn't vote, et cetera. We got
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rid of those things. We've always expanded rights to people. And yet now we have this idea of equity,
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which is very different than equality says, Hey, if you're here and you're legal, have at it. And it's
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going to take some hard work. It's going to take some luck. You might be born rich. You might be born
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poor, all of those things. But, but humans can't create a system that would perfect all that. What
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they want to do is create a system that will perfect all that. And that's deeply dangerous.
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And Kamala Harris, I know, you know, this, what was it? Two days before the election, put out that
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cartoon video on Twitter where she basically said, I'm a socialist. I mean, in essence, she said, it's not
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where we all start. It's where we all end up. Right. And we all end up in the same spot.
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Well, first off, that just makes no sense because I'm not vice president. She is, but if everyone
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ended up in the same spot, we'd all be vice president. Right. But, but putting aside the
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silliness of it, the idea that we all end up the same, that somehow being the same is the goal,
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as opposed to being an individual is the goal. And that there is some end of the game that we all
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agree is the place we should all be at. What, in essence, what they're really saying, of course,
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is that the elites and the people with all the money and the power, they can do whatever they want,
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but they will somehow create a system for you peons so that you'll get, you'll all just get enough
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to be satiated. So you don't kill all of them. That, that really is what they're setting us up.
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So when people talk about equity, that we would end up in the same spot, it is anti-American. It's
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against the constitution. It's against the bill of rights. It's against the American ethos. And yet
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it's being packaged to us. Like if you're not for equity, you're not for tolerance. You're not for
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healing and all those other words that they don't mean either.
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It's also against human nature. Thomas Sowell talks about this a lot. He talks about it in
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Quest for Cosmic Justice, how the only way to ensure equal outcomes among all individuals and
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all groups is some kind of tyranny. It's some kind of social engineering. You got to kill a lot of people.
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You got to kill a lot of people. You got to continually punish people who are intent on
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moving ahead. And you've got to reward people who are not intent on moving ahead to make sure that
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people continually stay in the same spot. So it's just another form of totalitarianism. It's just
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another form of communism, but a much more palatable term, I guess, to introduce people to that
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kind of idea. And that's what I worry about, the war on human nature, that people are different.
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If two people from the same family end up in two different places in life with all the same
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opportunities and backgrounds, then of course, two random people from two different states will
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end up in different places in life. So I don't even, I guess I don't understand their plan to
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accomplish that kind of utopian or dystopian equality of outcome.
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Well, it's dystopian and it's now. I mean, we live in a dystopian future right now. That really is the
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truth. I mean, every dystopian movie, humans all dress the same. They walk in lines in the same
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way. They say the same thing, comrade, you know, or they don't have names, right? I'm FN 2187 or
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whatever it is. But I think what it is fundamentally is a, it's a dim view of what humans are. That really
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is what it is. They just, it's, it's a different view. And I would say it's a dim view in that
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as you just said. So if you have two brothers or two siblings in a family that are brought up
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with the exact same resources, the exact same love from the parents, all those things, we know that
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99.9% of the time, they're going to live different lives, do different things, not necessarily be as
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successful as each other. And in some cases they may have very different values at the end. That's
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what life is. That's what, that's what freedom is. Meaning some of one might make a lot of mistakes
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along the way. One might do it perfectly. One might have a really good run while the other
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one has a terrible run. And then all of, all of the stuff that, that, that is the free human
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experience. Now, if you were to say, well, okay, they've been given the exact same stuff at the
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start. So they have to finish at the same way. Or if you just took, just take your childhood
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friends. Okay. You got a whole bunch of friends. You all basically grew up in the same amount of
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thing. Should you all be forced to do the exact same thing? Some of you may want a lot of
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stuff. Some, one of you may want a really big house and a boat. And one of you may want to live
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in a cabin off the grid. Should we be forcing people to have the same amount of stuff? And I
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know it sounds sort of crazy. Like, oh, that's not really what they want. The government's going
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to force everybody. But, but it actually is. It actually is when you whittle it down. Yeah.
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And by the way, what you get at the end ain't that much. Yeah. And that's the problem with
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looking at outcome gaps as proof of discrimination against, again, this is another, um,
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Thomas soul subject that he talks about so much that disparities don't necessarily equal
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discrimination. That's something that Ibram X. Kendi talks about so much that you only have to look
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at outcomes, not processes, not intent. He would say that something is a racist policy if it's
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creating or if it allows for disparities and outcomes between two different groups. But if we're-
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That takes the human part out. Exactly. That takes hard work out. It takes what you care
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about. You, Ali, have a certain set of values and you care about a certain amount of things
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and put them in some sort of hierarchy to go ahead and succeed with your life. Well, if the system came
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in and said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We have a better way for you to live your life.
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Would that be a great way of you flourishing? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't. Yeah. But that's what he's
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saying. So, and again, that's why they have to, that's why socialism kills people because on the
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quest for the perfect system, you got to remove the imperfections. And guess what? That's us.
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And some people say, you know, I would say people on the left, especially right now,
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if we talk about tech censorship or the concerns that we have with totalitarianism, leftism,
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communism, all of those things coming down the pipeline, they say, look, you still got the
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first amendment. You're still free to do what you want to do. You still live in a democracy.
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But I think what they don't understand is that, for example, the Chinese revolution,
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the communist revolution of the 20th century, it was a cultural revolution. It started on that
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interpersonal level in some ways. Of course, it was also political and economic, but people having,
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you know, struggle sessions where they shame someone in public for having the wrong views,
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trying to do exactly what you're saying, change public opinion and get rid of the people that are
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standing in the way of communism or whatever it is. Does that sound a little bit like something
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that might be happening in America the last couple of years? And that's what I want to get your
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insight on. What do you say to the people who are like, oh, whatever, you're just kind of making
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too big of a deal out of this. We're just trying to make the world better for every different kind
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of person. Well, I do believe that that is what they believe. Yeah. The road to hell is paved with
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good intentions. I don't sit there thinking that most of these people are evil. I think that most of
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the people have good intentions and they're confused by bad ideas. I think there are some genuinely bad
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actors within that. I would say that AOC, for example, strikes me as a genuinely bad actor.
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Not that she doesn't necessarily believe the stuff, although I'm not quite sure that she really
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believes it, but her behavior within that and her desire to burn everything down and pretend that,
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you know, somehow if she just had enough power, if her crew had enough power, that we'd all be
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perfect. I think that that makes her, I would say, a bad actor. Yeah. As a government official.
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Um, but in essence, most of them, I don't think are bad people. I think they're just
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really confused. Yeah. And it's our job as people that communicate ideas. It's our job to say,
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well, you know, there are some other ways and that's why they want to cancel us so badly. That's
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why five years ago when I was talking about big tech censorship and everyone was like, what are you
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talking about? Twitter's not going to get rid of anybody. Or I would talk about the college campus
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stuff or I'd go to college campuses and people would be protesting me, calling me a Nazi. And everyone
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would say to me, Dave, don't worry. It's, it's on college campuses. The line always was just wait
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till they get to the real world. Just wait till they get to the real world. And now we're seeing
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well, they're in the real world and the real world folded like a, like a paper bag. Yeah.
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Yeah. That's so true. Do you think the tactics that the right typically employ that basically the
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left wants the corporations to be ideologically aligned with them? They're totally fine with censorship
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of voices that they don't like. They want the social justice agenda pushed by big tech, pushed
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by these big corporations. Whereas conservatives, we don't want Target and Amazon to necessarily be
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conservative. We're not looking for them to stand up for the NRA or whatever. We just want them to
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be neutral. We want people to be treated fairly. Okay. Is that like bringing, you know, a knife to
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a gunfight? Is our tactic of just being kind and refusing to cancel people, which is what I would like
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to do. Right. And just wanting kind of neutrality and peace and being able to tolerate people of
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different viewpoints. I mean, are we just going to be crushed under the tyrants? Right. Well,
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it's the paradox of tolerance, right? And I think a lot of liberals suffer from this and now
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conservatives are starting to suffer from it. So first off, when I say liberals, of course,
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I mean actual liberals, not lefties, meaning that if you so believe in the idea of tolerance and
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openness that you will welcome in the very forces that will destroy you and what you've created,
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well, then thus you have the paradox of tolerance. I would say the challenge for us
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is how do we deal with this? I think this is like, in many ways, this is where my head's at
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more than anything right now, is how do we, people that just want to live our lives,
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just want to have families, have jobs, have community, whatever it is, how do we go ahead
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and do that in the face of a system that is ever encroaching on us? So it's like, yes,
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would I prefer that they just leave people on Twitter and say bad things? And by the way,
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if you break the laws of the United States, then the government will come for you. So it shouldn't
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be up to Twitter at that point. Right. But if they're going to keep moving on us, so, okay,
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now you guys can't be on Twitter. You can't be on Facebook. You can't be on YouTube. By the way,
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you can't be on, you can't bank at Chase. Right. And you know, you probably can't have an AT&T
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cell phone. I mean, this all sounds crazy, but we see the way the line is moving. So then at what
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point do we have to re rethink our tactics? This is also where I would say that at some level
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you get the limits of libertarianism. Why I'm not, why I rarely say I'm purely a libertarian,
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because I do think you need the unfortunate muscle of government every now and again.
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Now, ironically, we have a pretty terrible, I would say tyrannical government in office right
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now. So the idea that I would want to give it more power, which as you know, I was warning people
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against when, when everybody was saying Trump's got to regulate, break up big tech, Trump's got
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to do all this stuff. Well, guys, if Trump lost, which he did, whether you want it or not, well,
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congratulations, you were just going to hand over an awful lot of power of big tech combined with
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big government and that, so you have to be careful what you wish for. And I think you have to make
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small steps instead of these giant leaps, which is what we see the left does with everything.
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They make giant leaps. We're going to fix, can you believe it? They're going to fix the
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environment because in 12 years, the earth is going to blow up. Right. And crush COVID
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without crushing the economy, which is not actually what's happening.
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Incredible. These people, they're going to solve racism. I know he signed something that
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said no more racism. So I think we wrap that one up.
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Can't talk about that anymore. No more 25K speaking gigs for Robin DiAngelo. Racism is done.
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Thanks for her. Okay. I want to quickly talk to you about, um, how we balance something that is
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typically seen as like a left-wing priority, which is LGBTQ rights and something that is typically
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only seen as a right-wing priority, which is religious liberty. But I would say that you
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represent someone who cares obviously about both of those things. Um, but you know, someone who's
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coming from a traditional conservative perspective, I see something like the Equality Act or Biden's,
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uh, you know, gender inclusive executive order. And I get, and I get really worried that, okay,
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the sexual revolution or whatever you want to call it is just going to completely trump our first
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amendment right to a religious liberty. How do we balance those two things in your view?
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Well, our founders did it properly and we've done it actually pretty decently as a society for a
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long time. Our founders said we had God given rights and also said you should be free from being
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forced into any religion, obviously, and free from government coercion. That that's a pretty
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good setup there. What's happening now is, uh, Douglas Murray, who you probably know the, the, uh,
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British conservative author, he writes a lot about this. And one of the things he talks about is how
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the trans thing has so sort of grabbed on to the gay rights thing that it's really confused things
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because there's a difference between sexuality and then having a biological and psychological issue.
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Now, my personal belief is that if somebody is, is born a man or born a woman and wishes to live,
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they, for whatever reason, they wish to live as the other person and they're an adult and they go ahead
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and they do the transitioning, then they should be treated with the same exact respect and rights as
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everybody else. And by the way, if they give me respect, I'll give them respect, but nobody's just,
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nobody's just given respect just by the nature of their existence, which I think in many ways
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is what they want. I mean, I've gotten into it with trans advocates who, you know, will be calling
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me a Nazi and I'll be literally saying, well, I just want you to be treated equally. And I hope,
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I mean, there's a very famous video of me at university of New Hampshire going through this with this
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woman. Um, I just want you to be treated fairly and in exchange, I'm a Nazi. I mean,
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it's sort of crazy, but I think what you're talking about, and that's also the difference
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between, you know, equity and equality, they're prioritizing equity. You're thinking about
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equality. And if you don't agree with their definition of equity, then of course, you're
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a Nazi. Then of course you're a Nazi, no matter how many times you tell them, Hey, I just want
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you to be treated equally. I hope you're happy. I hope you're fulfilled. I hope you have all of the
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opportunities that America has given to anyone. Um, but I would say in terms of the, the stuff that
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Biden is doing now, where we're, we're going to have racial, you know, these ideas of racial equity
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of gender equity, all of these things. We talked about this last time I was here, but men and women
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want to do different things. Men care more about physical things. Women care more usually about
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relationships. Like this is just a reality. There's a reason that more women become nurses
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and more men become engineers. And that reason is not sexism. It's wiring America. It's also in
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these very progressive gender neutral places like Sweden. Sweden. Sweden has the most amazing
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example of this where they've had a completely egalitarian society for decades. And then more
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women became, uh, nurses, more men became engineers. And then the social justice warriors said, this
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isn't good because they, because of the outcome that you mentioned earlier. Right. So then they go
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back in and they, they're literally now trying to force more women to become engineers and more men to
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become nurses. Once again, human nature doesn't fit the vision of the anointed, the vision
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of the elites. And so they're constantly trying to change human nature to fit their vision rather
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than change their vision to fit human nature. Absolutely. So, so to bring this to your question
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about religious liberty, I want anyone that has a religious belief to be able to practice that
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belief. However, however they see fit the issue comes in when your religious beliefs potentially
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infringe on other people's ability to live equally. So I had long argued that gay marriage to me was,
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was a no brainer from a, uh, from a sort of secular legal perspective in that if two consenting adults
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wish to engage in a relationship the same way, regardless of whether they're gay or straight or
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whatever, then we have equality of opportunity in the United States. And that was a just cause. Now
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it's actually okay with me. If some religious people don't believe that I'm, I'm actually quite fine
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with that. And by the way, most religious people at this point, regardless of the denomination or
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religion, um, they're not really screaming about it right now. They're not really screaming about
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it right now, which shows you that the conservative mind is somewhat flexible. Um, it doesn't mean
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that they've all given up their beliefs, you know, like even we've talked about this many times,
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but I, if, if in your heart of heart, you felt that, that gay marriage was a sin or something like
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that, would it, would it impair our friendship at some level? I suppose it would, right? Like I
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wouldn't be like, I wouldn't be like, Oh, David, you want to have Ali over all the time. Like it
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just would, it would do something, but I understand that people think different things than me in
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America. And that is more important than that. So as long as you weren't doing something actively
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to come for my rights, that's what America is all about. Yeah. So I want to defend people's
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ability to, to live freely and have the religious thoughts that they have. And I also want to,
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uh, help people or no, not help people. I want to, um, I want to do everything possible to allow
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people to live equally under the law. Yeah. And you and I have had a very, you know, open and honest
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conversation of where I come from as a, as a biblical conservative. And you have talked to
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a lot of people who believe the same thing. And I do think conservatives have changed, not maybe not
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on the values, like you said, but on the sense of, okay, maybe the government doesn't have a role to
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play in this. And, you know, there's certainly a debate, a debate to be had about the Supreme Court's
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role in all of that. But I, I think the shift has also kind of gone to the transgender movement
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because there, there's something different there. I am compelled to deny biology, um, in some cases,
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or I'm compelled to infringe upon what I think might be my daughter's right to be able to compete
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against people of her gender, go to the bathroom with people of her gender. That presents a whole
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other issue. You being married doesn't infringe upon any of my rights or protections or safety or
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anything. Actually, I think you could even, you could even make a more forceful argument, which
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would we, that by me being married and then having the ability to have a family and have all of the
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things that you can have, that that actually strengthens America, that the family is the core.
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It doesn't mean that it's the exact family that maybe you wanted to see as the perfect family. And
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maybe a perfect family doesn't even exist. But if you allow people to build something that,
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that is stronger than just whatever their whims of the day are, then you can really,
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you can actually strengthen society, which is why, you know, 10 years ago when all,
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all the lefties all the time were saying, oh, the Republicans are attacking, or the people on
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the right would say the, the people on the left are attacking the family. And it sort of sounded
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crazy, but it's like, oh, it is kind of right. They've wanted to attack the family because once
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you can break the family unit, that's, that's the first building block. And then the rest of it's
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And it was throughout the 20th century. That was the first thing to separate the relationship between
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the parent and child. There's a lot we could talk about with the structure of the family and all
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that stuff. But we have to wrap up this conversation. Can you just remind people where
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they can find you and anything you want to promote?
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I'm only sending people to rubenreport.locals.com. It's my little foray into trying to save you.
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All the push notifications. Ruben Report just published something.
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Oh yeah. All the fancy steaks. Well, sometimes you post them on Twitter too.
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I do sometimes tweet them, but the real steaks go on Locals.
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Yeah. To get people to, yeah, to go behind the paywall. So repeat it again. Where is it?