Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 438 ｜ Turns Out Joe Biden Isn't Much of a Moderate ｜ Guest： Dave Rubin

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Today I am talking to a good friend of the show, Dave Rubin. I've

00:00:15.340 had him on twice before. Always an interesting conversation and lots of insight to glean from

00:00:21.140 him. So I'm so excited for you to listen to us chat about the craziness of the wokeness of the

00:00:29.780 Biden administration and what we can expect probably out of the next few years looking back

00:00:35.660 over the craziness of COVID restrictions and what it's all meant and how we've really changed

00:00:40.860 as a country for better and for worse. Without further ado, here is Dave Rubin.

00:00:50.940 Dave, thanks so much for joining me yet again. I am excited to be with you if for no other reason

00:00:56.700 than just the incredible lighting that exists here. That's what everyone says. I'm very particular

00:01:02.600 and they did a good job. Everyone looks good in this lighting. I told you we had to rejigger our

00:01:07.660 entire operation after I was on your show last time. I was like, guys, that's the way I want to

00:01:12.320 look. I know. Well, I want it to feel like it's outdoors. And as you can see, you know, we've got

00:01:16.420 the natural light coming in right there. That's not real? No, it is real. I thought we were sitting on a

00:01:20.400 my large piece of land. Yes. Okay. So tell us, tell us what's going on. Tell us your assessment

00:01:27.540 of the world in this Biden administration, not the outcome that we wanted. We're recording this

00:01:33.720 in January. This will come out later. So we're still kind of shell shocked a little bit. Yeah.

00:01:37.980 Lots of executive orders, lots of wokeness. People told us he was the moderate. He was the normal guy.

00:01:43.880 Well, I think you and I, yeah, I think you and I were amongst the short list of people that were

00:01:49.980 telling people that he's going to be the vessel that brings in the wokeism, right? That there was

00:01:56.420 a lot of people, my last few remaining good liberal friends who will still talk to me, you know, they

00:02:01.420 kept saying, oh, don't worry. They didn't go with the crazy stuff. They didn't go with Bernie. They

00:02:05.080 didn't go with Elizabeth Warren. They went with the old moderate, old Joe. He was the VP. He's been in

00:02:10.960 government forever. He won't usher in all this craziness. And I think what's become very obvious

00:02:15.400 in just a couple of weeks of this with all the executive actions and all the messaging

00:02:18.980 about, you know, it's just nonstop about race, sex, gender, climate, and then the magic word equity

00:02:27.920 instead of equality, which is the most dangerous word we have in America right now. I think what's

00:02:33.020 surprising people is how quickly they're going after all of it. Like there's, there's nothing in the

00:02:39.560 woke bag that they haven't just grabbed for right now. Like if there's a bag of woke tricks,

00:02:44.960 man, they're pulling them all out right now. They're juggling all of them. They're showing

00:02:48.760 them to all of us. There's no shame involved right now. Like they're just going for all of it.

00:02:52.580 And I would say the unfortunate part is that I don't think that the Joe Biden that was in public

00:02:58.780 life for, you know, four decades, almost five decades. I don't think this is the Joe Biden

00:03:04.060 that we have now, you know, or that Joe Biden is not this Joe Biden in that. I do think he was a

00:03:10.720 more moderate Democrat. I think he believed in the inherent goodness of America. And at 78 years old,

00:03:16.360 I just don't think he knows what he believes anymore. I think they push him out there to sign

00:03:20.220 these things. He often seems confused and not sure what he's signing. He can't find where he's putting

00:03:24.800 his pen, et cetera, et cetera. And it's like, so at that level, at a human level, it's actually sort of

00:03:30.500 sad what they're doing to him. And by the way, it'll all break one day. It'll all, the story will

00:03:34.580 break that they've known something is not right here, but the, at the sort of macro level of what's

00:03:40.040 happening to society, it's, it's not good. It ain't good. That's why I'm glad to be out on a

00:03:45.140 pasture with you. Oh yeah, me too. Well, that's exactly why I moved out here just in the middle

00:03:48.740 of nowhere. So talk to me about the difference between equity and equality and why all of these

00:03:55.220 executive orders and some of the proposals that we're seeing are really under this umbrella

00:03:59.260 of maybe what sounds like to some people, fairness, equality, things that people say that they want.

00:04:07.960 Tell me the difference. Tell me why it's dangerous. Well, I would say equity is the most dangerous

00:04:13.080 word, as I said, that we have going around right now that in terms of what's flying around in our

00:04:18.040 lexicon, what's in the zeitgeist. Well, we hear equity all the time. This is not a word that we heard

00:04:22.260 that often a couple of years ago, right? You'd hear about equality. What does America do? America

00:04:26.300 gives you equality of opportunity. We have laws that do not discriminate in the cases over 250

00:04:32.720 years where we had laws that did discriminate slavery, women couldn't vote, et cetera. We got 0.99

00:04:37.440 rid of those things. We've always expanded rights to people. And yet now we have this idea of equity,

00:04:42.360 which is very different than equality says, Hey, if you're here and you're legal, have at it. And it's

00:04:48.260 going to take some hard work. It's going to take some luck. You might be born rich. You might be born

00:04:51.880 poor, all of those things. But, but humans can't create a system that would perfect all that. What

00:04:57.480 they want to do is create a system that will perfect all that. And that's deeply dangerous.

00:05:01.100 And Kamala Harris, I know, you know, this, what was it? Two days before the election, put out that

00:05:05.720 cartoon video on Twitter where she basically said, I'm a socialist. I mean, in essence, she said, it's not

00:05:12.180 where we all start. It's where we all end up. Right. And we all end up in the same spot.

00:05:18.660 Well, first off, that just makes no sense because I'm not vice president. She is, but if everyone

00:05:22.800 ended up in the same spot, we'd all be vice president. Right. But, but putting aside the

00:05:26.180 silliness of it, the idea that we all end up the same, that somehow being the same is the goal,

00:05:32.520 as opposed to being an individual is the goal. And that there is some end of the game that we all

00:05:38.520 agree is the place we should all be at. What, in essence, what they're really saying, of course,

00:05:42.420 is that the elites and the people with all the money and the power, they can do whatever they want,

00:05:47.160 but they will somehow create a system for you peons so that you'll get, you'll all just get enough

00:05:53.360 to be satiated. So you don't kill all of them. That, that really is what they're setting us up.

00:05:58.640 So when people talk about equity, that we would end up in the same spot, it is anti-American. It's

00:06:04.760 against the constitution. It's against the bill of rights. It's against the American ethos. And yet

00:06:09.360 it's being packaged to us. Like if you're not for equity, you're not for tolerance. You're not for

00:06:15.480 healing and all those other words that they don't mean either.

00:06:27.260 It's also against human nature. Thomas Sowell talks about this a lot. He talks about it in

00:06:31.680 Quest for Cosmic Justice, how the only way to ensure equal outcomes among all individuals and

00:06:37.020 all groups is some kind of tyranny. It's some kind of social engineering. You got to kill a lot of people.

00:06:42.420 You got to kill a lot of people. You got to continually punish people who are intent on 1.00

00:06:47.920 moving ahead. And you've got to reward people who are not intent on moving ahead to make sure that

00:06:52.040 people continually stay in the same spot. So it's just another form of totalitarianism. It's just

00:06:57.220 another form of communism, but a much more palatable term, I guess, to introduce people to that

00:07:03.080 kind of idea. And that's what I worry about, the war on human nature, that people are different. 0.94

00:07:10.180 If two people from the same family end up in two different places in life with all the same

00:07:14.400 opportunities and backgrounds, then of course, two random people from two different states will

00:07:18.520 end up in different places in life. So I don't even, I guess I don't understand their plan to

00:07:24.720 accomplish that kind of utopian or dystopian equality of outcome.

00:07:30.540 Well, it's dystopian and it's now. I mean, we live in a dystopian future right now. That really is the

00:07:36.020 truth. I mean, every dystopian movie, humans all dress the same. They walk in lines in the same

00:07:41.240 way. They say the same thing, comrade, you know, or they don't have names, right? I'm FN 2187 or

00:07:47.160 whatever it is. But I think what it is fundamentally is a, it's a dim view of what humans are. That really

00:07:55.840 is what it is. They just, it's, it's a different view. And I would say it's a dim view in that

00:07:59.740 as you just said. So if you have two brothers or two siblings in a family that are brought up

00:08:05.100 with the exact same resources, the exact same love from the parents, all those things, we know that

00:08:09.920 99.9% of the time, they're going to live different lives, do different things, not necessarily be as

00:08:15.780 successful as each other. And in some cases they may have very different values at the end. That's

00:08:20.740 what life is. That's what, that's what freedom is. Meaning some of one might make a lot of mistakes

00:08:26.120 along the way. One might do it perfectly. One might have a really good run while the other

00:08:30.580 one has a terrible run. And then all of, all of the stuff that, that, that is the free human

00:08:36.220 experience. Now, if you were to say, well, okay, they've been given the exact same stuff at the

00:08:41.660 start. So they have to finish at the same way. Or if you just took, just take your childhood

00:08:45.700 friends. Okay. You got a whole bunch of friends. You all basically grew up in the same amount of

00:08:49.860 thing. Should you all be forced to do the exact same thing? Some of you may want a lot of

00:08:56.060 stuff. Some, one of you may want a really big house and a boat. And one of you may want to live

00:09:00.280 in a cabin off the grid. Should we be forcing people to have the same amount of stuff? And I

00:09:04.800 know it sounds sort of crazy. Like, oh, that's not really what they want. The government's going

00:09:08.300 to force everybody. But, but it actually is. It actually is when you whittle it down. Yeah.

00:09:14.320 And by the way, what you get at the end ain't that much. Yeah. And that's the problem with

00:09:18.900 looking at outcome gaps as proof of discrimination against, again, this is another, um,

00:09:24.720 Thomas soul subject that he talks about so much that disparities don't necessarily equal

00:09:29.300 discrimination. That's something that Ibram X. Kendi talks about so much that you only have to look

00:09:34.540 at outcomes, not processes, not intent. He would say that something is a racist policy if it's

00:09:41.140 creating or if it allows for disparities and outcomes between two different groups. But if we're-

00:09:47.860 That takes the human part out. Exactly. That takes hard work out. It takes what you care

00:09:53.560 about. You, Ali, have a certain set of values and you care about a certain amount of things

00:09:57.700 and put them in some sort of hierarchy to go ahead and succeed with your life. Well, if the system came

00:10:03.980 in and said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We have a better way for you to live your life.

00:10:07.740 Would that be a great way of you flourishing? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't. Yeah. But that's what he's

00:10:11.640 saying. So, and again, that's why they have to, that's why socialism kills people because on the

00:10:16.440 quest for the perfect system, you got to remove the imperfections. And guess what? That's us.

00:10:22.600 And some people say, you know, I would say people on the left, especially right now,

00:10:26.200 if we talk about tech censorship or the concerns that we have with totalitarianism, leftism,

00:10:31.700 communism, all of those things coming down the pipeline, they say, look, you still got the

00:10:35.420 first amendment. You're still free to do what you want to do. You still live in a democracy.

00:10:39.520 But I think what they don't understand is that, for example, the Chinese revolution,

00:10:43.800 the communist revolution of the 20th century, it was a cultural revolution. It started on that

00:10:48.820 interpersonal level in some ways. Of course, it was also political and economic, but people having,

00:10:54.220 you know, struggle sessions where they shame someone in public for having the wrong views,

00:10:59.440 trying to do exactly what you're saying, change public opinion and get rid of the people that are 1.00

00:11:04.200 standing in the way of communism or whatever it is. Does that sound a little bit like something

00:11:07.440 that might be happening in America the last couple of years? And that's what I want to get your

00:11:11.100 insight on. What do you say to the people who are like, oh, whatever, you're just kind of making

00:11:15.380 too big of a deal out of this. We're just trying to make the world better for every different kind

00:11:19.980 of person. Well, I do believe that that is what they believe. Yeah. The road to hell is paved with

00:11:25.520 good intentions. I don't sit there thinking that most of these people are evil. I think that most of

00:11:29.960 the people have good intentions and they're confused by bad ideas. I think there are some genuinely bad

00:11:35.300 actors within that. I would say that AOC, for example, strikes me as a genuinely bad actor.

00:11:40.740 Not that she doesn't necessarily believe the stuff, although I'm not quite sure that she really

00:11:44.880 believes it, but her behavior within that and her desire to burn everything down and pretend that,

00:11:50.400 you know, somehow if she just had enough power, if her crew had enough power, that we'd all be 0.95

00:11:54.800 perfect. I think that that makes her, I would say, a bad actor. Yeah. As a government official. 0.99

00:12:00.580 Um, but in essence, most of them, I don't think are bad people. I think they're just

00:12:06.860 really confused. Yeah. And it's our job as people that communicate ideas. It's our job to say,

00:12:12.520 well, you know, there are some other ways and that's why they want to cancel us so badly. That's

00:12:17.260 why five years ago when I was talking about big tech censorship and everyone was like, what are you

00:12:22.160 talking about? Twitter's not going to get rid of anybody. Or I would talk about the college campus

00:12:25.520 stuff or I'd go to college campuses and people would be protesting me, calling me a Nazi. And everyone

00:12:30.160 would say to me, Dave, don't worry. It's, it's on college campuses. The line always was just wait

00:12:34.980 till they get to the real world. Just wait till they get to the real world. And now we're seeing

00:12:39.100 well, they're in the real world and the real world folded like a, like a paper bag. Yeah.

00:12:43.660 Yeah. That's so true. Do you think the tactics that the right typically employ that basically the

00:12:51.800 left wants the corporations to be ideologically aligned with them? They're totally fine with censorship

00:12:57.400 of voices that they don't like. They want the social justice agenda pushed by big tech, pushed

00:13:03.220 by these big corporations. Whereas conservatives, we don't want Target and Amazon to necessarily be

00:13:09.160 conservative. We're not looking for them to stand up for the NRA or whatever. We just want them to

00:13:13.040 be neutral. We want people to be treated fairly. Okay. Is that like bringing, you know, a knife to

00:13:20.180 a gunfight? Is our tactic of just being kind and refusing to cancel people, which is what I would like

00:13:25.540 to do. Right. And just wanting kind of neutrality and peace and being able to tolerate people of

00:13:30.500 different viewpoints. I mean, are we just going to be crushed under the tyrants? Right. Well,

00:13:35.280 it's the paradox of tolerance, right? And I think a lot of liberals suffer from this and now

00:13:39.860 conservatives are starting to suffer from it. So first off, when I say liberals, of course,

00:13:43.280 I mean actual liberals, not lefties, meaning that if you so believe in the idea of tolerance and

00:13:48.480 openness that you will welcome in the very forces that will destroy you and what you've created,

00:13:53.580 well, then thus you have the paradox of tolerance. I would say the challenge for us

00:13:57.900 is how do we deal with this? I think this is like, in many ways, this is where my head's at

00:14:04.420 more than anything right now, is how do we, people that just want to live our lives,

00:14:10.360 just want to have families, have jobs, have community, whatever it is, how do we go ahead

00:14:16.620 and do that in the face of a system that is ever encroaching on us? So it's like, yes,

00:14:21.980 would I prefer that they just leave people on Twitter and say bad things? And by the way,

00:14:26.420 if you break the laws of the United States, then the government will come for you. So it shouldn't

00:14:29.780 be up to Twitter at that point. Right. But if they're going to keep moving on us, so, okay,

00:14:35.340 now you guys can't be on Twitter. You can't be on Facebook. You can't be on YouTube. By the way,

00:14:40.000 you can't be on, you can't bank at Chase. Right. And you know, you probably can't have an AT&T

00:14:45.040 cell phone. I mean, this all sounds crazy, but we see the way the line is moving. So then at what

00:14:50.220 point do we have to re rethink our tactics? This is also where I would say that at some level

00:14:56.120 you get the limits of libertarianism. Why I'm not, why I rarely say I'm purely a libertarian,

00:15:02.280 because I do think you need the unfortunate muscle of government every now and again.

00:15:07.700 Now, ironically, we have a pretty terrible, I would say tyrannical government in office right

00:15:13.440 now. So the idea that I would want to give it more power, which as you know, I was warning people

00:15:17.160 against when, when everybody was saying Trump's got to regulate, break up big tech, Trump's got

00:15:21.580 to do all this stuff. Well, guys, if Trump lost, which he did, whether you want it or not, well,

00:15:27.060 congratulations, you were just going to hand over an awful lot of power of big tech combined with

00:15:31.220 big government and that, so you have to be careful what you wish for. And I think you have to make

00:15:35.720 small steps instead of these giant leaps, which is what we see the left does with everything.

00:15:40.880 They make giant leaps. We're going to fix, can you believe it? They're going to fix the

00:15:43.980 environment because in 12 years, the earth is going to blow up. Right. And crush COVID

00:15:47.980 without crushing the economy, which is not actually what's happening.

00:15:50.380 Incredible. These people, they're going to solve racism. I know he signed something that

00:15:53.820 said no more racism. So I think we wrap that one up.

00:15:56.080 Can't talk about that anymore. No more 25K speaking gigs for Robin DiAngelo. Racism is done.

00:16:02.100 Thanks for her. Okay. I want to quickly talk to you about, um, how we balance something that is

00:16:17.740 typically seen as like a left-wing priority, which is LGBTQ rights and something that is typically

00:16:23.540 only seen as a right-wing priority, which is religious liberty. But I would say that you

00:16:27.580 represent someone who cares obviously about both of those things. Um, but you know, someone who's

00:16:32.980 coming from a traditional conservative perspective, I see something like the Equality Act or Biden's,

00:16:38.380 uh, you know, gender inclusive executive order. And I get, and I get really worried that, okay,

00:16:45.580 the sexual revolution or whatever you want to call it is just going to completely trump our first

00:16:51.580 amendment right to a religious liberty. How do we balance those two things in your view?

00:16:55.860 Well, our founders did it properly and we've done it actually pretty decently as a society for a

00:17:01.760 long time. Our founders said we had God given rights and also said you should be free from being

00:17:07.660 forced into any religion, obviously, and free from government coercion. That that's a pretty

00:17:11.620 good setup there. What's happening now is, uh, Douglas Murray, who you probably know the, the, uh,

00:17:17.480 British conservative author, he writes a lot about this. And one of the things he talks about is how

00:17:21.300 the trans thing has so sort of grabbed on to the gay rights thing that it's really confused things

00:17:28.860 because there's a difference between sexuality and then having a biological and psychological issue.

00:17:35.020 Now, my personal belief is that if somebody is, is born a man or born a woman and wishes to live,

00:17:42.500 they, for whatever reason, they wish to live as the other person and they're an adult and they go ahead

00:17:46.880 and they do the transitioning, then they should be treated with the same exact respect and rights as

00:17:50.380 everybody else. And by the way, if they give me respect, I'll give them respect, but nobody's just,

00:17:54.140 nobody's just given respect just by the nature of their existence, which I think in many ways

00:17:58.360 is what they want. I mean, I've gotten into it with trans advocates who, you know, will be calling

00:18:02.620 me a Nazi and I'll be literally saying, well, I just want you to be treated equally. And I hope,

00:18:06.360 I mean, there's a very famous video of me at university of New Hampshire going through this with this

00:18:10.240 woman. Um, I just want you to be treated fairly and in exchange, I'm a Nazi. I mean,

00:18:13.860 it's sort of crazy, but I think what you're talking about, and that's also the difference

00:18:16.580 between, you know, equity and equality, they're prioritizing equity. You're thinking about

00:18:21.720 equality. And if you don't agree with their definition of equity, then of course, you're

00:18:26.040 a Nazi. Then of course you're a Nazi, no matter how many times you tell them, Hey, I just want 0.73

00:18:29.320 you to be treated equally. I hope you're happy. I hope you're fulfilled. I hope you have all of the

00:18:33.000 opportunities that America has given to anyone. Um, but I would say in terms of the, the stuff that

00:18:39.460 Biden is doing now, where we're, we're going to have racial, you know, these ideas of racial equity

00:18:44.940 of gender equity, all of these things. We talked about this last time I was here, but men and women

00:18:48.480 want to do different things. Men care more about physical things. Women care more usually about 1.00

00:18:54.600 relationships. Like this is just a reality. There's a reason that more women become nurses 1.00

00:19:00.200 and more men become engineers. And that reason is not sexism. It's wiring America. It's also in

00:19:06.020 these very progressive gender neutral places like Sweden. Sweden. Sweden has the most amazing

00:19:11.460 example of this where they've had a completely egalitarian society for decades. And then more

00:19:16.300 women became, uh, nurses, more men became engineers. And then the social justice warriors said, this 0.93

00:19:21.580 isn't good because they, because of the outcome that you mentioned earlier. Right. So then they go

00:19:25.640 back in and they, they're literally now trying to force more women to become engineers and more men to

00:19:30.400 become nurses. Once again, human nature doesn't fit the vision of the anointed, the vision 0.63

00:19:35.920 of the elites. And so they're constantly trying to change human nature to fit their vision rather

00:19:40.960 than change their vision to fit human nature. Absolutely. So, so to bring this to your question

00:19:45.260 about religious liberty, I want anyone that has a religious belief to be able to practice that

00:19:50.240 belief. However, however they see fit the issue comes in when your religious beliefs potentially

00:19:56.620 infringe on other people's ability to live equally. So I had long argued that gay marriage to me was, 0.56

00:20:03.980 was a no brainer from a, uh, from a sort of secular legal perspective in that if two consenting adults

00:20:11.280 wish to engage in a relationship the same way, regardless of whether they're gay or straight or

00:20:17.440 whatever, then we have equality of opportunity in the United States. And that was a just cause. Now

00:20:21.840 it's actually okay with me. If some religious people don't believe that I'm, I'm actually quite fine

00:20:28.320 with that. And by the way, most religious people at this point, regardless of the denomination or

00:20:33.440 religion, um, they're not really screaming about it right now. They're not really screaming about

00:20:38.360 it right now, which shows you that the conservative mind is somewhat flexible. Um, it doesn't mean

00:20:44.440 that they've all given up their beliefs, you know, like even we've talked about this many times,

00:20:49.620 but I, if, if in your heart of heart, you felt that, that gay marriage was a sin or something like

00:20:56.400 that, would it, would it impair our friendship at some level? I suppose it would, right? Like I

00:21:02.220 wouldn't be like, I wouldn't be like, Oh, David, you want to have Ali over all the time. Like it

00:21:06.540 just would, it would do something, but I understand that people think different things than me in

00:21:11.380 America. And that is more important than that. So as long as you weren't doing something actively

00:21:17.020 to come for my rights, that's what America is all about. Yeah. So I want to defend people's

00:21:22.540 ability to, to live freely and have the religious thoughts that they have. And I also want to,

00:21:27.400 uh, help people or no, not help people. I want to, um, I want to do everything possible to allow

00:21:33.840 people to live equally under the law. Yeah. And you and I have had a very, you know, open and honest

00:21:48.240 conversation of where I come from as a, as a biblical conservative. And you have talked to

00:21:53.340 a lot of people who believe the same thing. And I do think conservatives have changed, not maybe not

00:21:59.320 on the values, like you said, but on the sense of, okay, maybe the government doesn't have a role to

00:22:04.260 play in this. And, you know, there's certainly a debate, a debate to be had about the Supreme Court's

00:22:08.300 role in all of that. But I, I think the shift has also kind of gone to the transgender movement

00:22:15.660 because there, there's something different there. I am compelled to deny biology, um, in some cases,

00:22:23.660 or I'm compelled to infringe upon what I think might be my daughter's right to be able to compete

00:22:28.720 against people of her gender, go to the bathroom with people of her gender. That presents a whole 1.00

00:22:33.780 other issue. You being married doesn't infringe upon any of my rights or protections or safety or

00:22:38.640 anything. Actually, I think you could even, you could even make a more forceful argument, which

00:22:42.380 would we, that by me being married and then having the ability to have a family and have all of the

00:22:47.940 things that you can have, that that actually strengthens America, that the family is the core.

00:22:53.040 It doesn't mean that it's the exact family that maybe you wanted to see as the perfect family. And

00:22:58.220 maybe a perfect family doesn't even exist. But if you allow people to build something that,

00:23:03.940 that is stronger than just whatever their whims of the day are, then you can really,

00:23:07.920 you can actually strengthen society, which is why, you know, 10 years ago when all,

00:23:11.920 all the lefties all the time were saying, oh, the Republicans are attacking, or the people on

00:23:16.820 the right would say the, the people on the left are attacking the family. And it sort of sounded

00:23:20.420 crazy, but it's like, oh, it is kind of right. They've wanted to attack the family because once

00:23:24.780 you can break the family unit, that's, that's the first building block. And then the rest of it's

00:23:30.640 pretty shaky after that.

00:23:31.480 And it was throughout the 20th century. That was the first thing to separate the relationship between

00:23:36.060 the parent and child. There's a lot we could talk about with the structure of the family and all

00:23:39.660 that stuff. But we have to wrap up this conversation. Can you just remind people where

00:23:45.020 they can find you and anything you want to promote?

00:23:47.560 I'm only sending people to rubenreport.locals.com. It's my little foray into trying to save you.

00:23:51.720 I'm a subscriber. I get the emails.

00:23:53.900 You're getting all my push notifications?

00:23:55.720 All the push notifications. Ruben Report just published something.

00:23:58.600 You're seeing all my fancy steaks?

00:24:00.280 Oh yeah. All the fancy steaks. Well, sometimes you post them on Twitter too.

00:24:03.100 I do sometimes tweet them, but the real steaks go on Locals.

00:24:06.220 Yeah. To get people to, yeah, to go behind the paywall. So repeat it again. Where is it?

00:24:11.560 Rubenreport.locals.com.

00:24:13.860 Awesome. Well, thank you so much.

00:24:15.260 Yeah. It was great seeing you.

00:24:15.900 Yeah.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - June 15, 2021

Ep 438 ｜ Turns Out Joe Biden Isn't Much of a Moderate ｜ Guest： Dave Rubin

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