Ep 457 ｜ TPUSA Ejects Porn Star Brandi Love from Student Event
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Is it even possible to be a conservative porn star? and why does any of this matter? I m here to give you my definition of what conservatism is and why porn star Brandi Love should not be a vip at Turning Point USA s student action summit.
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hey guys welcome to relatable hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far once again if you
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guys and i love doing the show so much and this week it's been especially fun because we've been
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able to talk about some hot topics on monday we talked about that modest is hottest music video
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they got so much blowback especially from people who identify as progressive christians we talked about
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what the bible actually says about modesty and where so-called purity culture kind of gets it wrong
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but um the importance of not throwing out the baby with the bath water uh when it comes to that
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subject so if you haven't listened to monday's episode on modesty please do so also i had a busy
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week because i went to nashville on monday to be on candace owens's show which premiered last night so i
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think that you can go on daily wire and watch that that was super fun and then also um i was on
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absolute legend if you guys have been listening to this podcast for any amount of time you know that
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i have admired that woman for a very long time it was when i was in high school and i told my parents
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can just be like that in my career which i'm not and i didn't go necessarily that direction and she
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is um far she's a far more uh incisive interviewer and um just host in general than i could ever be
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uh but i've admired her for a very long time so it was an honor to be able to be on her show and a lot
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of you have given me such positive feedback and encouragement from that interview so um if you
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haven't listened i encourage you to do that today we're going to talk about a few things i don't know
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how much i'm going to be able to get to because there are so many stories that i wanted to cover
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but i want to talk about uh this turning point usa drama i've done a lot of speaking events with
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turning point love charlie kirk and i always love speaking at their events they had some uh they had a
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situation that was debated about seemingly endlessly on twitter about a porn star who was
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invited to be a vip at the event and then it kind of evolved into a conversation on conservative twitter
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about what is conservatism like is it even possible to be a conservative porn star and why does any of
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this matter i absolutely think it does matter and i'm going to talk about why today i'm going to
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kind of give you my definition of what conservatism is and why i don't think it's just um small
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government do whatever you want i think it's much more complex and much more substantive than just
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that but first let me kind of break down what happened for you just in case you didn't hear about
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this whole scenario so there was a porn star named brandy love who i guess applied to be a vip at this
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event now this is called student action summit uh this happens i think twice a year for turning
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point i did not go to this student action summit this year and i don't really know how the whole
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inviting vip thing works i don't know if they knew who she was and they invited her i don't know if you
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can pay to be a vip i i'm not really sure how that happened but she was posting that she was at
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turning point usa student action summit and then there was kind of an uproar on social media from
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conservatives saying oh my gosh i can't believe that this person is a vip not just in attendance but
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is uh you know apparently a very important person for this tp usa event and so people were wondering
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how can you be an organization that is espousing conservative values and a lot of times christian
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values and seemingly endorse an adult film star and if you go to which i do not recommend but this
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is actually pertinent to the story if you go to brandy love's twitter page you will see that she
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posts totally explicit pictures of herself so if there were anyone who met her or saw her at the event
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a student who saw her she had her kind of i guess her porn star name on her name tag
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you might go to her twitter and you would see pornography and so people i think were rightfully
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confused about this and raising concerns about this and when these concerns were publicly raised
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turning point uh rescinded their invitation brandy love posted on twitter saying that she got an email
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from turning point saying hey you're no longer welcome here well this caused controversy further
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controversy on social media from people a lot a lot of whom would uh consider themselves libertarians
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saying hey like this is not cool she's a conservative businesswoman in florida and um you know why are we
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gatekeeping why can't we just be this big tent party why can't we just accept people no matter what
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their lifestyles are it doesn't make sense to kick someone out just because she's um a porn star and here are
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some of the coverage about it so this is in national review the title of this article is porn stars and
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defective judge and defective judgment conservative twitter was split on whether porn star brandy love
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should have been banned by turning point usa from attending the student action summit in tampa this
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past weekend some conservatives saw it as cancel culture to kick her out and others found it
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prudish or small-minded to exclude her anthony leonardi reported on twitter that she was kicked out of
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the sas conference as soon as the organization discovered she was a porn star and that her vip
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pass was totally revoked tp usa spokesman andrew colvit told newsweek that miss love purchased an adult
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vip ticket okay so i guess that answers my question from before she purchased the adult vip ticket and that
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she was not invited nor was her attendance somehow requested by the organization colvit's explanation to
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newsweek that it was that was that it is uh simply not appropriate for a porn star to be actively
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posting images at an event with 15 and 16 year olds present in conjunction with graphic pornography
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tp usa makes no apology for this a position which should not be controversial especially when minors are
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involved parents deserve this type of assurance and tp usa and hands on giving them that confidence
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colvit said i think that is in my opinion that is a perfectly acceptable statement and so it was not
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they wanted to make clear look like turning point usa uh in a conference for minors especially is not
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endorsing a porn star and we don't want it to seem like we're endorsing a porn star we don't want it to
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seem like we invited this porn star and so we're going to revoke her path i personally think that
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turning point did the right thing the important point one of the important points here i don't even
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think it's the most important point or the most foundational point which i'm going to make but one of the
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most important points here is that this is a conference for minors like you've got 15 and 16
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year old boys that were sitting here by their parents funded by their parents who think that they
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are going to go to this conference and they are going to hear conservative in a lot of cases uh christian
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speakers talk about a conservative worldview when you think of conservative values you don't typically
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think about your 15 year old going to a conference where they're going to see a porn star
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and i heard someone else make this point recently i can't remember who it was why did a porn star want
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to go to a student action summit this is called a student action summit this is for specifically in a
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lot of cases minors although sometimes they're college students as well but this is for young
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people so it's a little bit odd for her to feel like she needs to um bring her presence there that's
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a point that a lot of people were making i think it's a completely legitimate one newsweek explains
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the whole situation a little bit more porn star brandy love labeled turning point usa a religious
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cult after she was banned from an event at uh over the weekend uh the adult film star whose political
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affiliations lie with the republican party was welcomed as a vip guest um i and i don't think
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newsweek reporting it that way is necessarily uh necessarily accurate they say she was welcomed as a vip
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guest but as turning point said that she wasn't actually invited as a vip guest she um she bought
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it newsweek goes on to say love whose given name is tracy lynn livermore posted photos and videos at the
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event before she was ejected it's good to be around so many young conservatives she said on twitter before
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she was asked to leave gives me some hope however following her removal from the event the 48 year
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old took to social media to condemn tp usa calling the group of trojan horse for organized religion
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so here is exactly what the tweet says uh it's a trojan horse brandy love says if i had known it
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was going to behave like and feel like a religious cult i would have never gone it's not a central
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message in their mission i love god hate organized religion um and then some she replied to someone
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who said that jesus hung with a very famous sex worker who is currently considered a saint by
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catholics my goodness people's theology um brandy love said he would welcome me my name is written in
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the book of life i pray every day i do what i do because of my faith not in spite of it am i flawed
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yep am i a sinner yep am i faithful absolutely so this is kind of an aside i do truly pray for brandy love
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to know christ for her heart to be uh renewed by the gospel but we know what the lord thinks about
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prostitution we know what he thinks about sexual immorality we know what he thinks about the
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degradation of the body i mean we're talking about pornography here which as i saw fight uh fight the
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new drug say the other day which is anti uh anti-sex trafficking and anti-pornography organization they
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said pornography is the marketing arm of sex trafficking that's absolutely true while not everyone who is
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involved in pornography is actively being abused it is an industry that is rife with exploitation and
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not just exploitation of adults the exploitation of minors it fuels sex trafficking and it fuels um
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the degradation of sex the dehumanization especially of women and of children so this is not like a gray
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area for christian this is uh not something that is really debated at least within orthodox christianity
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and so you know i'm sure that brandy love feels this way but the fact of the matter is someone who is
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actively engaging um in prostitution um in pornography has not had their heart transformed by the gospel
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that is not me saying that i am in my nature better than her because we are all dead in sin apart from
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christ without christ i am just as dead in my sin as anyone else and we all need christ to save us we all need
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christ to make our hearts soft but the fact of the matter is if you are actively engaged consistently
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in any pattern of sin whether it's sexual immorality or another kind of sin there is really good reason
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to question whether or not you have tasted uh you have tasted and seen that the lord is good um because
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once that happens your heart is transformed the old self goes away with its deceitful and corrupt
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desires and you take on the new self uh that is created after christ uh in holiness and you are
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then set apart you realize that your body is not your own but it's actually a dwelling place for the
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holy spirit and so you are to glorify god with your body as we talked about on monday and so i don't i just
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simply don't agree well i certainly am not the person who says this person is saved and this person is not
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i can look to the truth and to the standard of scripture to say what qualifies as repentance and
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salvation and what doesn't and and by the way i i don't think that if she was a christian that she
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would have any problem with a turning point's explanation um so she goes on to say in another
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tweet while tp usa lost me for sure so did matt walsh and a host of others i have to tell you that
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this group tp usa is every bit as frightening to me as antifa they are the furthest thing from maga
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that i've seen in five years and matt walsh who i was supposed to have on yesterday but because i had
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to reschedule unfortunately i wasn't able to interview him but i really wanted to get um his
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take on this because he was very strongly against brandy love being at the event and obviously supported
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tp usa um rescinding her vip status uh he said over the last few weeks we have seen conservatives
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first embrace caitlin jenner and now defend a hardcore porn star a total abandonment of biological
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and moral truth full-scale surrender they have adopted positions that would have seemed radical
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even to liberals 30 years ago or even 10 years ago he then goes on to correct himself um and then
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people were responding to him they were also responding to me on twitter even though i wasn't really
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caught up that much in this whole thing on social media uh because i it was just it was too
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crazy and it was too convoluted and i didn't think a lot of the conversations that were happening on
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twitter were actually productive but people the other perspective is that you know what conservatism is
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really just about small government and allowing people to do whatever they want to do it's not about
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gatekeeping it's not about say you know imposing morality or saying what is right and wrong for other
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people it's just about constitutionalism it's just about you know the first and second amendment
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whatever it is if a porn star wants to say that she's conservative then we should we we should welcome
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her with open arms and that is kind of the more libertarian mentality although there are probably some
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people who don't consider themselves libertarians that also maybe kind of embrace that kind of
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mentality but again we have to ask the question what is conservatism is conservatism just live and let
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live who cares there's no real objective moral standard or is it something deeper than that i think
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it's the latter and i will explain that in just one second so john adams said this most of you know this
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our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people it is wholly inadequate to the
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government of any other so what does this mean what this means at least in my view is that the entire
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idea of self-governance the idea of a government for the people and by people of the people is impossible
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unless individuals are tethered to a morality that is bigger than the government
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this idea of having inherent rights comes from uh the idea the belief in a creator that has endowed us
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with those rights because that creator is the supreme authority over the government and the reason
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why the founders believed that we could self-govern the reason why they believed the government could be
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small and people could be free to make the decisions that they wanted to make
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was because of this foundation of biblical morality now people get really mad when i say that they
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like to say that this is a secular nation had nothing to do with god whatsoever because god isn't
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mentioned in our founding documents except he is like he is alluded to the creator is god uh and that
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that is foundational to the idea that people are able to govern themselves they did not have a vision
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of a world in which everyone made up their own morality everyone did what was right in their own mind
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but that everyone started from the same place and from there could then make their own decisions and the
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government of course they believed had some authority and had some responsibilities but they believed that
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men did a better job of governing themselves than the government did but only because they believed that men
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must be constrained by a faith by a set of principles that transcended um you know government imposed
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morality now a note on this whole idea of government imposed morality because a lot of people um a lot of
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people are saying well that's not the government's that's not the government's role at all like the
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government does not have a place does not have the responsibility to impose morality any christian
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who says that it does it's just some theocrat that wants some religious dictatorship that's not true
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even though i said that the founders believed that people are uh better at governing themselves based on
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a moral foundation and it's not the government's role to impose morality they did believe um that
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there is a moral component of governing of course they believed that there is a moral component to
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every law and there is every single law is imposed morality from getting a parking ticket to speed limits
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to laws against murder laws against theft these are all shoulds and shouldn'ts and shoulds and shouldn'ts
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are all based on some kind of moral principle people who say no there's no biblical morality that has it has
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nothing to do with our laws laws against murder laws against theft are founded on the laws that we see
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given to israel in the bible now we don't impose every law that was given to israel in the bible
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because we are not ancient israel but there are basic principles that we see and for example the
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ten commandments that did inspire not just the constitutional rights but the laws that flow
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from them in the united states like i said laws against theft laws against murder go back to a
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biblical morality that says one people are made in the image of god and therefore taking the life of an
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innocent person is wrong uh laws against theft go back to the ten commandments thou shall not steal
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thou shall not covet you have a right to private and personal property that does not belong to someone
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else and so these are all biblical principles that doesn't mean that you have to be a christian to
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abide by them or even to believe in them someone could say that they're not a christian they're atheists
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they're agnostic but they still believe in the biblical principles that served as the foundation
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for our founding documents and for many of our laws uh but that foundation does exist whether or not you
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want to acknowledge it it does exist in conservatism then and seeking to conserve the constitution and
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our founding principles um relies on uh relies on those basic biblical truths that doesn't mean that we
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believe that it's the government's job to impose every part of for example the christian sexual ethic i
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don't hear a lot of people saying well the government should outlaw having sex before a marriage i don't
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hear people saying that but we do believe that the foundation of the united states comes from what is
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typically called judeo-christian values that's just true and in order to conserve the constitution in order
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to conserve this idea of self-governance you absolutely have to rely on the christian idea
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that we were made in the image of god that god is the supreme transcendent authority who gives us our
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rights and therefore the government does not have the right to arbitrarily give them or take them away
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because they too are in submission to a higher power which is the government that's how
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this whole thing has to work and so for conservatism to mean anything for it to actually conserve the
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constitution for us actually to conserve limited government although that's even you know debatable
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within conservatism today and there hasn't been really a high up conservative that has really done
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that in a while um but in order for all of that to work in order for the vision of the united states to
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work in order to conserve those things as conservatives you have to go back to the idea
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that god is the supreme authority over all that he is the giver of rights therefore they are ours they
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are inherent without that without the idea that we have a creator that has made us all equal there
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really is no argument for equal rights like there really is no argument for rights at all there's no
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argument for self-governance what right do we have to self-governing what right do we have to
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anything to private property uh if they're not inherent then the government absolutely has
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every authority to give them and take them away and that is how progressivism thinks that the
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government is the highest authority the government gives rights the government takes away rights and
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therefore uh the government can basically do whatever it wants but we actually believe that
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there is a moral and theological reason why the government uh can't just give and take away rights
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arbitrarily as it sees fit so again without that biblical foundation uh there really is no
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argument for conservatism and everything conservatives say that they stand for now like i said does that
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mean that you have to be a christian in order to be conservative no i don't think so but it does take
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acknowledging and accepting the basis of conservatism to really understand what conservatism is and if we are
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conserving everything that we think allows for self-governance everything that allows for liberty
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then that also means conserving some things that we know um hold hold all those principles together and
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one of them is the family one of them is religion obviously because that is how we tether individuals
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to something that is bigger than ourselves so that we can self-govern properly and the other one is
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the family that serves as an incubator of liberty as i've had a guest on my podcast say before that
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instills the next generation with those values so that again we can have a society um that is generally
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moral and uh and cohesive um and so conservatives have a vested interest in everything that holds together
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the family and everything that echoes um christian principles and biblical values now i think that
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people can point out hypocrisy for sure uh they could point out hypocrisy by saying okay so these same
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people that were fine with a president who once had sex with a porn star are now morally outraged
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about someone who is a porn star attending one of their events i think that is a legitimate criticism
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now obviously it's not exactly the same maybe you could argue that donald trump has repented from that
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and that that was part of his past and that we're not holding his past against him yes that's fine and i
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agree like i do think conservatives if we're going to say okay we're the party of at least somewhat
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biblical values like we're the party that believes in the biblical foundation of this country and
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therefore the moral parameters and the institutions that kind of hold those things together if that is
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our line then i think we do have to be consistent across the board and what we support that we have
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to be against anything that works against the nuclear family and i'm not sure that's actually true i see
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some people say you know i i'm not for porn stars but i'm for all these other kind of sexually
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progressive things um as a conservative and i think that that's a lot of hypocrisy and that's a lot of
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inconsistency if you stand for biblical principles which i think a lot of conservatives say they do if you
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stand for all of the institutions and um all of the things that are supposed to create a moral nation
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then we have to be consistent again about what we are supporting and um what we condemn and i think
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maybe that was a problem here for a lot of people on twitter who are defending brandy love is the
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lack of consistency what i don't think is a good argument is anyone saying that um you know this
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is gatekeeping and we just need to allow people to do whatever they want to do say whatever they want
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to say or you know of course we do allow people to say whatever they want to say but that doesn't
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mean that we have to accept and celebrate those things as conservatives and i actually just think
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that it's a huge mistake for people to say you know what if republicans just latched on if they just
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latched on to uh sexual progressivism or if they just latched on to all of the leftist social movements
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like if we just kind of were soft on abortion if we were soft when it came to transgender stuff and we
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were just more you know we accepted the idea that uh man can become a woman and vice versa and we didn't
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care about the cohesion of the natural family and we just stopped talking about any of that moral stuff
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then we could win more elections but that's a huge component of what conservatism is and i actually think
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it's because we've capitulated on so many of those issues that we refuse to stand for those things on
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their merits that we have continued to cede so much ground and i said this on twitter and i really mean it
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that one i i think it's untrue like i just said i think it's untrue that uh if we just ceded more
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ground if we just basically became liberals except for oh low taxes uh that we would win more elections
00:27:43.040
and two even if that were true even if tomorrow uh i all the the gop could take power uh in every way
00:27:52.560
they would i knew that they would win every election or they would all of a sudden have every range of
00:27:57.280
government and all the authority in this country uh if i would just say that boys can become girls
00:28:04.960
or say that family the family doesn't matter or you know concede all of these points that i believe
00:28:11.120
as a christian and a conservative um in the social and the moral realm i wouldn't do it like i just
00:28:17.120
wouldn't do it if the gop continues to move left when it comes to these social issues which i think
00:28:23.200
that already has then okay i don't need to stick with that i don't care like i just don't care i
00:28:28.960
don't know why people would think that i would care but i absolutely would not if the gop came out
00:28:33.360
tomorrow and said you know what boys can become girls and that is who we are as a party see ya i don't
00:28:40.400
care like why do i care i mean i do care obviously about democrats not being in power because i think that
00:28:47.360
their policies are destructive and we see that in every major city across the country right now
00:28:51.920
uh but ultimately i don't care i don't care where the gop goes because this is where i stand and i
00:29:01.040
have cement around my feet that uh prevents me from moving at least on some issues that doesn't mean that
00:29:07.680
i can't be persuaded by facts on other issues but when it comes to these kind of uh moral revolution
00:29:15.840
issues that we've seen uh wage over the past you know 10 or so years i just can't be moved on them
00:29:23.200
and i don't really care how fast the gop moves to the left um and it's just hard for me to understand
00:29:31.520
how people don't see that if we devolve into complete degeneracy if no one is standing up for
00:29:36.640
the things that we know to be good and right and true like you don't get economic conservatism from
00:29:42.080
that it's that's just as much of a fantasy as communism working people who believe that we're
00:29:48.880
just going to have this libertarian small government society with no moral foundation
00:29:54.960
no religious foundation that we're just going to be this godless happy free society it's a fantasy
00:30:02.960
it's just not going to work people say well what about japan like they're not a religious society
00:30:08.560
and they have a constitutional republic well there are plenty of issues in japan but i would say
00:30:14.800
that a lot of their rights that are guaranteed to them or at least in writing guaranteed to them
00:30:20.160
in japan like free speech the right to private property even if they don't acknowledge that those
00:30:25.120
things come from god they still do uh they they still are based on the same principle that we were
00:30:30.960
endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights they might not acknowledge that in their founding
00:30:35.360
documents i don't know if they do or not they might not be a religious people but that's still
00:30:40.240
based on a biblical foundation so like i said you don't have to be a christian to acknowledge and
00:30:45.280
accept that the foundation of this country is built on a judeo-christian ethic it just is and when we
00:30:51.360
depart from that in every way possible it becomes harder and harder to actually be a free country and
00:30:58.080
the left understands this the left is always making moral arguments about why you need to agree with
00:31:03.280
them not just socially but also economically everything stems from a moral place when it
00:31:09.280
comes to progressivism and i think that's part of the reason why they're so effective instead the
00:31:13.680
right is always on deep on the defense or they are not wanting to argue the moral part of it like
00:31:21.440
they're not wanting to um make an argument on its merits instead a lot of times conservatives will
00:31:27.600
just retreat to well religious liberty or freedom and all of these things are important and good
00:31:33.280
but that's not necessarily a moral argument that we need to be making the left is always making moral
00:31:39.200
arguments for why you are a bad person if you don't agree with them on xyz and as manipulative
00:31:43.840
and wrong as i think that that often is it works it works for people because people are actually
00:31:49.680
looking for morality you're looking for something substantive and i want to get to another point on
00:31:54.960
that answer to a question that someone asked me the other day so someone asked me the other day
00:32:04.560
why i believe that that a lot of young people go to the left and simultaneously a lot of young people
00:32:14.000
are rejecting god and i know some people say no they're just rejecting organized religion or no they're
00:32:18.800
just uh they're just rejecting some parts of religion no there are a lot of young people who hold on to
00:32:26.560
some idea of god or some idea of jesus that is not actually based in any reality it's not actually based
00:32:34.560
in any kind of historical text it's based on feelings and therefore uh they don't really exist it's
00:32:40.400
really a god of self um that a lot of young people are worshiping or vague spirituality or some kind of
00:32:48.000
higher power which i would argue is a rejection of god himself if the bible is true and if god is who
00:32:55.120
he says that he is that he is uh he is the one and only true god and everything else is an idol then i
00:33:02.880
would still say people who are choosing idols even if they say that they are accepting god but they're
00:33:08.160
choosing to worship something that is based on their own imagination rather than on who god says that he is
00:33:14.400
is still rejecting god so we've got a lot of young people rejecting god they say that they left religion
00:33:20.640
uh for legalism but the reality is they are attaching themselves to another legalistic quasi religion
00:33:30.080
called progressivism where the rules are very rigid uh they have their own a self-certifying mantras they've
00:33:38.240
got their own dogmas they've got their own set of rules of behavior and it's extremely graceless it has
00:33:45.440
its own soteriology it has its own eschatology uh it has its own theology in certain ways so uh the god
00:33:54.240
is either self or the god is the government and there are certain kinds of speech codes that you have to
00:34:00.960
follow there is a certain kind of so-called sanctification that you um are supposed to embrace that's called so-called
00:34:08.080
you know doing the work you know doing the work or doing the work of either anti-racism or social
00:34:12.800
justice and so it has its own religious rights it has its own boundaries it has it has its own shoulds
00:34:20.720
and shouldn'ts it's every much if every bit as as much of a religion as any other kind of you know
00:34:30.240
christian denomination is or any other kind of religion is um except it doesn't really require you
00:34:36.560
uh to do things that are not mainstream and so it's very uncontroversial in that way you don't
00:34:42.240
have to have any courage you don't have to be uh brave in any way you don't have to go against the
00:34:48.040
mainstream i guess that's the appeal of it but it still gives people a sense of belonging it gives
00:34:53.260
people a sense of purpose it gives people a sense of hope because it says that you know if you just do
00:34:59.160
these things if you just do the work if you just vote in this way then finally we'll have this
00:35:03.780
beautiful equal utopia where everyone is sharing voluntarily with one another and we'll finally
00:35:11.100
be able to achieve a completely equitable society where all outcomes are equal and everyone uses the
00:35:20.240
right pronouns and there's no religion and all of that and so i think that's why godlessness leads to
00:35:28.360
leftism because people are always searching for something to base their life on people are always
00:35:34.960
searching for some greater purpose people are always searching for some kind of identity and i think that
00:35:41.660
progressivism um offers that for a lot of people because like i said it bases all of its arguments
00:35:48.300
on some kind of moral foundation i think it's a faulty moral foundation but that's what people are
00:35:55.580
searching for like they're searching for something bigger than themselves and progressivism offers
00:36:00.120
that in this grand vision of how the world could be if everyone would just finally agree with them
00:36:06.160
and get rid of capitalism and the patriarchy and the cis hetero hegemony whatever it is um and white
00:36:14.160
supremacy then we would you know finally live in this paradise like world and that makes people feel
00:36:21.840
like they are a part of something big when they you know put their pronouns in their bio or something
00:36:28.080
like that if the right is not going to offer a counter to that if conservatives are not offering a
00:36:35.180
counter to that and much more important than conservatives for me if christianity isn't offering
00:36:41.040
a counter to that like if we're not standing up and saying look i know you're looking for a purpose i know
00:36:47.220
you're looking for love i know that you're looking for hope and all of that stuff can be found in the
00:36:52.180
god who created you can be found uh in the gospel in that he loved you so much that he sent his own
00:36:58.400
son to die for you because he wanted you to be forgiven of your sins and to live forever with him he
00:37:03.340
wanted you to be holy and he wants you to know that future peace and future joy and um eternal
00:37:10.040
satisfaction that is found in him alone um and unfortunately there is a very successful pr campaign
00:37:17.880
um against religion that says religion is just kind of this archaic legalistic thing that really has
00:37:24.000
no more place in society that has only wrought destruction for its entire history and of course
00:37:29.520
some people claiming to be the church and people claiming to be christians have played into that
00:37:34.420
narrative absolutely by being abusive and corrupt and terrible people and bad seasons and church
00:37:39.220
history and all of that uh but conservatives or i shouldn't even say conservatives but just christians
00:37:46.840
have to double down um on the things that young people are searching for i guarantee you in the
00:37:54.860
same way that conservatism is not going to win more people by just being a watered down version of
00:38:01.220
leftism in the same way that conservatism is not going to gain more power by denying the reality
00:38:09.220
that male and female exist and that there's no such thing as gender identity that is actually
00:38:14.100
detached from your biology so christianity is not going to win more people by just being a spiritual
00:38:22.600
ish version of secularism it's just not going to work people are looking for something substantial
00:38:27.280
and it doesn't matter how much people gnash their teeth at christianity it doesn't matter how many
00:38:32.220
people say that uh you know that traditional orthodox christianity is to blame for everything
00:38:38.740
that's to be expected like we are not going to be the light of christ and be ambassadors for christ by
00:38:45.620
being more secular and that's i think what a lot of progress professing progressive christians think is
00:38:51.860
that if like christians would just give up on all the sexual morality stuff if we just give up on the
00:38:58.240
all the the holiness stuff like if we just give up on all the things that the world says is
00:39:02.880
controversial then more people would become christian um again like i am not concerned with that like i am
00:39:10.600
not concerned uh with whether or not non-believers find the church attractive uh whom god has called
00:39:19.440
will come to him they will now do we have a responsibility to speak the truth in love do we have
00:39:26.020
a responsibility to good work do we have a responsibility to be good ambassadors of christ
00:39:31.060
and to seek justice and to love mercy the way that god defines those things by the way we absolutely do
00:39:37.360
but there are still going to be people who spread lies about the church and who hate the church because
00:39:42.560
they hate god um and so we have a responsibility to obedience to christ as the church um and we can't worry
00:39:50.660
too much uh about what people who hate god say about the church god is going to continue to draw people
00:39:58.700
to himself that he wants to draw to himself because he is absolutely sovereign over that and and his grace
00:40:08.060
allows us christians to be used to reach people to bring them to the foot of the cross he doesn't need
00:40:16.580
us but he does in his sovereignty choose to use us in that way and conservatism which by the way is not
00:40:25.360
synonymous with christianity obviously and conservatism in a different but similar way can't
00:40:32.460
worry so much about whether or not leftists like what we have to say they're not going to like they're
00:40:39.320
not going to agree with our policy proposals it will never be enough like the cancel mob is always going
00:40:43.880
to come for you if you disagree with them on any tenet of progressivism they're never going to see
00:40:48.220
you as reasonable they're never going to see you as righteous they're never going to see you as
00:40:52.860
an ally can you have understanding conversations and friendships with people on the other side
00:40:58.100
100 absolutely i fully believe in that and i fully believe that that is possible to be friends with
00:41:05.380
people with which uh with whom you disagree on certain things uh but the activist class and the
00:41:12.840
political class of the left is never going to see you a conservative as someone who is on the right
00:41:19.160
side of history and so capitulating is not going to save you from the mob i talked about this on
00:41:25.080
meg and kelly show you can try to sidestep all of the minds uh in the minefield that you want to the cancel
00:41:32.940
mob is going to come for you if you stand for either traditional christian beliefs or if you stand for
00:41:38.740
conservative beliefs or both they're coming for you and so you might as well just stay true to what
00:41:45.220
you believe and to refuse as we talk about so many times on this podcast to live by lies the capitulation
00:41:51.320
the concessions is only going to make you a weak person it's only going to make uh christianity look
00:41:58.860
weak if you're thinking about it in that sense it's only going to make conservatism uh look weak if
00:42:03.700
you're thinking about it in the political sense so you might as well stand firm in what you believe
00:42:07.740
doesn't mean that you can't change your mind when facts are presented to you that counters what you
00:42:11.680
thought but it does mean on the things that you know to be good and right and true there's no need
00:42:17.000
for concession and i would say that there is a very strong need for us to stay firm um in uh the values
00:42:24.700
and the principles and the facts that uh we base our belief system on so i i know that was kind of a
00:42:32.260
little bit of a rambling rant but i hope that i kind of made sense for you a little bit where i'm
00:42:38.340
coming from in all of this people who say oh you just want to create some kind of theocracy no i don't
00:42:44.620
but i i do believe that a free republic has to have some kind of moral foundation i do and i know a lot
00:42:51.560
of people say well you don't need that you don't need that for freedom i just completely disagree now
00:42:56.900
i think it's debatable like which which principles actually make you a conservative and which ones
00:43:03.460
don't like can you still believe that men can become women and be conservative i don't see how
00:43:09.620
that fits into any kind of moral definition or any real definition of what conservatism is i mean you
00:43:14.740
are just completely giving up reality you have given in to the most post-modern premise that there
00:43:19.940
is that even male and female or gender or social constructs with which they're not can you be um
00:43:27.000
pro-abortion and be a conservative i do think you can have can you can like the constitution you can
00:43:33.320
like the first amendment the second amendment and then you know have some issues with conservatism maybe
00:43:37.980
you think that you should be a socialist and you're conservative in other ways all right but um
00:43:44.500
it's debatable whether or not that actually counts as conservatism i think that's a worthy debate to
00:43:49.320
have i don't think i'm the arbiter of what is conservatism and what is not but i do think it's good that
00:43:54.700
we're having these conversations to kind of settle on okay what is the basic definition and what is the
00:44:00.180
foundation of conservatism um is it religious is it theological or is it not i firmly believe that it has
00:44:07.820
to be whether or not everyone in conservatism is religious themselves i hope that makes sense
00:44:13.160
all right we have got some awesome episodes coming up tomorrow i am going to interview
00:44:23.900
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00:44:32.520
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00:44:37.740
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00:44:43.600
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00:44:49.560
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00:44:54.520
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00:44:59.300
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