Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 459 ｜ David Platt Drama & “Pro-KKK” Propaganda in Texas

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. Today

00:00:15.620 we're going to talk about two subjects, or we're going to try to get to two subjects.

00:00:19.880 The first one might take a little bit longer time, so I'm not sure if we'll have time for

00:00:25.900 the second one, but I'm going to try to talk about both this Texas bill that you've been

00:00:31.160 hearing about. A ton of you have been asking me about this, about the Texas bill that supposedly

00:00:36.500 bans teachers from teaching about the KKK and Martin Luther King Jr. We're going to debunk

00:00:42.640 that because it is truly one of the most egregious examples of propaganda that I've ever seen. So

00:00:48.860 we're going to talk about that. We're also going to talk about, if we have time, what's going on

00:00:53.160 with David Platt's church, but in some of the pushback that he's getting, the allegations

00:00:57.900 of David Platt and his leadership and his church apparently embracing CRT. But mostly we're

00:01:03.840 going to talk about one of the responses to that by David French and a little bit of my

00:01:10.680 rebuttal to that. Before we get into all of it, though, I just want to give you guys some

00:01:15.680 encouragement. I was thinking about this as I was driving in today. So for the past couple

00:01:22.220 of weeks, my family has been going through a lot. Now, not really big things. They've

00:01:27.980 been just small things that have kind of piled up a couple of weeks ago. You guys might remember

00:01:33.240 I was sick. I ended up having some kind of infection. I actually had to go to the ER a

00:01:40.200 couple of weeks ago. I ended up being totally fine. But that kind of threw our family through

00:01:44.340 a loop for one week. And then both of my kids last week came down with RSV. First, it was

00:01:51.440 my two-year-old. And then it was our baby. And then if it sounds like I'm still under

00:01:55.520 the weather, I'm actually recovered. But both my husband and I also got colds. They were

00:02:00.440 very minor colds. So it was fine. But then there were some other things that went on in

00:02:04.500 our family that just added a whole lot of stress to us and threw us out of our normal

00:02:11.200 routine. And it can also be very scary when your kids get a cold. And RSV typically isn't

00:02:18.200 that serious. But it can be serious. Our youngest is 12 weeks. And so you really have to watch

00:02:22.760 that kind of thing, especially if they get into some kind of coughing fit. You just have

00:02:26.700 to be super careful. And I am very careful in general. This is actually the first cold

00:02:32.680 that my two-year-old has ever had. And so and it lasted. They last about a week, thankfully.

00:02:38.320 Thank the Lord. Both of my kids fully recovered. Totally fine. But in the midst of all of those

00:02:43.820 things, it can just be easy to get overwhelmed and to kind of wallow in the fear and anxiety

00:02:50.200 that all of that brings on. And a lot of you might be dealing with some of the same things.

00:02:56.020 Maybe you have a similar circumstance that you're in the middle of right now. Maybe you

00:03:00.280 have a much bigger trial that you're dealing with. Or maybe you've just got a lot of small

00:03:04.560 things that seem to be piling up. And you're feeling yourself get overwhelmed and wondering,

00:03:10.280 why are things happening this way? Why can't things be better? And maybe you're

00:03:13.700 starting to feel that kind of bitterness and that feeling that you are entitled to ease

00:03:23.120 kind of start coming on and building up in your life and in your heart. And if you are

00:03:28.960 in the midst of that, whether it's a big or small circumstance, I just want to encourage

00:03:32.840 you to do something that may seem counterintuitive at first. And that is to think about how things

00:03:41.960 could be worse. That's something that I do. That's an exercise that I do. Whenever I'm

00:03:47.320 feeling overwhelmed and things seem like they're not going well, think about how things could

00:03:53.520 be worse. Because in the midst of that, doing that, you actually start to see how the Lord

00:03:59.300 has given you particular mercies that maybe you didn't notice before.

00:04:03.960 So for us, for example, the way that I kind of found that grace in the midst of the last couple

00:04:12.380 of weeks, I thank the Lord for good health care. I thank the Lord for good doctors and nurses and for

00:04:17.900 medicine that was able to help me a couple of weeks ago, that was able to help my kids. I think the Lord

00:04:24.400 that because of COVID restrictions at my husband's work, he was able to, he still works from home. And so he

00:04:31.120 was able to have a flexible schedule that allowed us to really, really engage in a lot of teamwork

00:04:38.120 and helping our kids. I think the Lord that it was my oldest who got sick first. And so the worst of it

00:04:45.340 for her was before the worst of it for the baby. And so we were able to allocate our energy toward each

00:04:52.820 kid how we were, how we needed to. I think the Lord that my husband and I really didn't get a cold

00:04:59.900 until after our kids were already recovering. And so that allowed us to give the energy to them

00:05:05.820 that we needed to that so that we weren't completely down in the dumps. And I thank the Lord that both

00:05:11.900 of them recovered, that we recovered and that it was minor, especially compared to a lot of kids,

00:05:18.260 especially babies who get RSV. So thankful for all of that. Thankful for friends who sent us

00:05:23.900 lunch, who checked in on us. Thankful for parents who prayed for us and helped us however

00:05:29.740 they could. Thankful for me for a job that I am able to, I'm kind of able to dictate my schedule

00:05:37.520 for the most part. Last week we had already pre-recorded Monday's episode. Tuesday we didn't have a new

00:05:42.940 episode. Wednesday I was able to record from home. Then Thursday, because I really needed to, I came in and

00:05:47.760 recorded a quick interview. But wow, thank the Lord that I had the flexibility to be able to do that

00:05:53.860 kind of thing. And so I'm so incredibly grateful for all of the mercies that I saw in our lives over

00:06:00.880 the past two weeks. And it would have been really easy to just sit in my fear and sit in my anxiety

00:06:05.660 and allow kind of self-pity to overwhelm me. But the Lord calls us to something better. And it's not

00:06:12.120 because He's just chastising us for having bad feelings, because bad feelings are a part of life.

00:06:17.280 And I'm not saying we should just shut those down and pretend that they don't exist and to tell

00:06:21.320 ourselves to buck up and just be positive all the time. We do have to feel sadness and negative

00:06:26.500 feelings. That's part of being a human being. But we cannot allow those things to dictate us. We can't

00:06:37.240 allow those things to rule us and to overcome us. God calls us to rejoice. He calls us to gratitude.

00:06:45.060 And that is not some form of so-called toxic positivity. That's because He cares about us.

00:06:51.400 He knows that joy and gratitude and recognizing His goodness, His faithfulness, His mercy is actually

00:06:57.300 better than being overwhelmed by our own feelings of misery, which may even be justified feelings.

00:07:05.500 He still says in the worst fiery trial or in the smallest inconvenience that we are supposed to give

00:07:12.820 Him glory and to give Him praise because He cares about us. And now listen, you might not be able to

00:07:19.540 think right now of anything worse that could go on in your life. You might be listening to what we went

00:07:25.440 through as a family over the past couple of weeks, and you might be thinking, I would pay to have

00:07:29.660 problems that small. And maybe the problems that you are dealing with are so much bigger and so much

00:07:34.780 profound and so much more grave than the ones that I described. Maybe you are going through the darkest

00:07:42.340 season of your life, and I will not even try to invalidate that or belittle that in any way. If you

00:07:48.360 cannot think of how things could be worse, I absolutely believe you. What I am going to call you to and

00:07:55.360 encourage you to is what the Lord encourages all Christians to, which is hope. So maybe you don't feel

00:08:02.600 like you have any hope in this life right now, and you don't see any light at the end of the tunnel,

00:08:07.940 at least in the physical world. What God gives us, what the gospel gives us, is if you, by grace

00:08:17.300 through faith, believe in Him for the forgiveness of your sins, if you have trusted Him as the Lord of

00:08:22.640 your life, again, because of His grace and the power of the Holy Spirit in you, then you have the hope

00:08:29.900 of one day everything that is wrong today being made right. You have the hope that one day He is

00:08:37.580 going to wipe away all of your tears. You will never have any more sorrow. You will never have any other,

00:08:42.880 any more feelings of despair. You will never be discouraged. You will never be disappointed again.

00:08:48.200 You will never have to worry about injustice. You will never have to experience unfairness.

00:08:53.160 There will never be anything bad or sadness-inducing ever happen to you ever again, and you will be

00:09:00.340 living in perfect peace and perfect joy forevermore in the presence of your Savior, Jesus Christ,

00:09:06.140 when you die and or when Jesus comes back to rule in perfect peace and righteousness forever and ever.

00:09:13.400 So even if nothing good seems to happen to you ever again in this life, the fact that Jesus died on the

00:09:22.160 cross for your sins, the perfect righteous one died on the cross for your sins so that you, a sinner,

00:09:27.260 could be reconciled to a holy God forever and spend forever in fellowship and in peace and in joy

00:09:33.340 with Him in worship of Him forever, that is enough to give us joy. That is enough to bring us to

00:09:42.600 gratitude. So even if you can't find anything else in this life right now to rejoice over, rejoice over

00:09:49.620 that. There is no better news than the gospel. There's no better news than the gospel, even if

00:09:55.720 the only thing you've been hearing for the past month, the past year, the past decade is bad news,

00:10:01.260 you have good news in the gospel. And I don't say that because I know what you're going through,

00:10:07.620 because I don't. I say that as someone who reads the word of the one who does know who you are

00:10:16.140 and what you're going through. He is the God who sees. He is the God who cares. He is the good shepherd

00:10:22.200 that longs to give you rest, that longs to restore you, that longs to forgive you if you do not know

00:10:29.800 Jesus. I promise you that what you are trying and failing to find inside yourself, what you're trying

00:10:35.840 and failing to find inside your boyfriend or your job or whatever endeavor it is, is found in Christ

00:10:43.140 alone. That, I guarantee you, there are a lot of things that I get wrong. There are a lot of

00:10:47.640 mistakes that I make. There are a lot of things that I do not know. That is the one thing that I

00:10:53.360 know for sure. So that was just on my heart. That was on my heart this morning as I was driving in.

00:11:00.320 And I just wanted to give you that Monday encouragement before we get into the rest of this

00:11:06.700 news stuff, which I know in itself can be stressful. I wanted to make sure that we started

00:11:12.360 this week off on the right foot. So whoever that was for, I hope that encourages you in the Lord.

00:11:20.840 All right. We're going to get into some of this new stuff that you've been asking me about, though.

00:11:29.620 All right. Let's get into this first story. Like I said, we're going to talk about this Texas

00:11:35.840 bill that you have been hearing. Bans teachers teaching about the KKK and Martin Luther King and

00:11:44.080 slavery and apparently is emblematic of just how racist Republican states are. And then also,

00:11:50.480 as I mentioned at the beginning, we're going to try to talk about what's going on with David Platt's

00:11:54.220 church. But first, this Texas bill. A ton of you have been sending me posts on Instagram about this

00:12:01.720 bill, SB3, Senate Bill 3, that claim the bill prevents teachers from teaching certain parts

00:12:08.200 of American history, particularly history pertaining to oppression, to race, racism, and civil rights.

00:12:15.240 The post that I saw had hundreds of thousands of likes. I saw tweets that went viral. I saw articles

00:12:21.500 circulating all saying the same thing. So if you were under that impression, I don't blame you.

00:12:26.800 That is that's that colors most of the information that you have been seeing about this. But because

00:12:33.440 I know how the media work, unfortunately, my first thought was when I saw all of this was no,

00:12:41.040 no, there's no way that that's really what it is. I've seen this happen too many, too many times where

00:12:47.500 the media and social media influencers run with an angle that is insufficient, incomplete at best,

00:12:54.280 and completely false at worst. And then by the time anyone can issue a fact check, it's too late.

00:13:00.620 The story is already cemented into people's heads. And no matter what I or anyone else says,

00:13:07.000 that's not going to change. And that's really disappointing. Like, it's really discouraging

00:13:11.200 that unfortunately, it's so hard to to for the fact check to be as popular and pervasive as the false

00:13:19.160 information. And that goes for anything on both sides. But even if I can just get one person

00:13:25.440 or help you get one person to peel back the headlines and the captions and the social media

00:13:31.560 graphics and see what's actually true, I think that it's worth it. So let's first read what this bill

00:13:37.600 actually says, which is always publicly available. By the way, I'll link it in the description of today's

00:13:43.620 episode. But you can always search Texas Bill SB3 text. I use DuckDuckGo. I've really tried to make

00:13:51.460 a concentrated effort to no longer say to Google something because I don't use Google and I don't

00:13:58.580 really like Google. Sorry, YouTube. I didn't say that. I love I love Google YouTube. It's great.

00:14:06.800 But I just personally use DuckDuckGo. Or you can go to trackbill.com. It's a good tool to always be

00:14:15.300 able to read the text of the bill so you can see for yourself what these things actually say because

00:14:19.240 they're so often misconstrued. So this is a state bill passed by the state legislature in Texas.

00:14:24.740 And the version of the bill that we're talking about has passed through the state Senate. It passed

00:14:31.600 on Friday, July 13th. And so here's the stated intent of the bill that you will see in the text

00:14:37.140 of the bill itself. It says this. SB3 prohibits teachers from being compelled to discuss current

00:14:44.640 events or controversial issues in public policy or social affairs. Prohibits districts, charters,

00:14:50.800 or teachers from requiring or granting a grade or extra credit for a student's work or service with

00:14:57.700 any organization that lobbies for legislation or is involved in social or public policy advocacy

00:15:04.200 or any political activism. The bill prohibits teachers, administrators, or any other public

00:15:10.320 school employee from being required to engage in training, orientation, or therapy that presents any

00:15:16.880 form of race or sex stereotyping. They're trying to imply like anti-racist workshops, etc. in that last

00:15:26.160 line. It also says SB3 prohibits the teaching or course requirement that includes the concept of

00:15:32.320 one race or sex being inherently superior to another, or that one race or sex should be held

00:15:37.860 to blame for actions committed in the past by other members of that race or sex, or that traits such as

00:15:45.300 hard work ethic are inherently racist or sexist. This again is an implication of CRT. Also says SB3 adds

00:15:56.060 clarifying language that the prohibition on students receiving a grade or credit for political

00:16:00.680 activism does not include service in nonpartisan community-based projects or activities such as

00:16:07.880 community gardens, food banks, or other philanthropic projects. So you might be thinking none of that sounds

00:16:15.260 particularly problematic, but I will say know that the summary at the top of bills hardly ever includes

00:16:21.760 like the most controversial stuff. It typically generalizes the legislation in a way that makes

00:16:26.920 it sound simple and straightforward, but usually the bills are much more complex than the summary

00:16:31.680 says. And so we're going to read what it actually says, what the bill says, and what people

00:16:38.680 have contentions with. All right, so what this bill actually says, the summary that we read

00:16:50.960 is still helpful in getting a general understanding of what this bill is trying to accomplish. And we

00:16:57.680 should, before we get into what the bill says, like we should note that there are some words right off

00:17:02.820 the top, right off the bat, that are important. So in particular, quote, prohibits from being

00:17:09.780 compelled or required. So that means teachers cannot be required to discuss current events or

00:17:19.160 controversial issues. A district or a school administration, a school's administration, for

00:17:23.680 example, cannot compel a teacher to talk about the latest case of, for example, like alleged police

00:17:31.640 brutality. The teacher can talk about it, but she can't be required to talk about it. Teachers cannot 0.99

00:17:38.480 be required to attend some sort of race or sex stereotype, stereotyping training or therapy. So

00:17:46.620 for example, a white teacher can't be compelled to go through training that then teaches her how to 1.00

00:17:52.500 divest of her white privilege. A teacher cannot be compelled to undergo therapy to learn about how his

00:17:58.900 masculinity is contributing to patriarchal oppression, etc. So if you want to do those things, you can,

00:18:06.340 but you can't be required to do those things. That's a good stipulation. That's a good part of

00:18:13.380 this legislation, in my opinion, a very good thing. The bill also prohibits the teaching and course

00:18:19.920 requirement of racial or sex superiority or that traits such as hard work are inherently racist or sexist.

00:18:29.320 This is unfortunately something that we have seen, for example, from the Museum of African American

00:18:34.660 History, who released a public infographic, I think it was last year, saying that hard work, efficiency,

00:18:41.120 timeliness, meritocracy, these are all traits of whiteness. Math programs in places like Seattle 0.97

00:18:48.040 link getting the right answer in math to Western whiteness. And so it's trying to emphasize not

00:18:55.000 getting the right answer in math in order to make math more, quote, equitable. So Texas is saying,

00:19:01.060 no, that cannot be a requirement in our public schools. And I'm pretty sure it also says that you

00:19:05.980 can't, you can't teach those things. Like you can't teach that white kids or black kids or brown kids 1.00

00:19:13.140 are inferior or superior, or that men or women, boys or girls are inferior or superior. That can't be a

00:19:20.440 part of your curriculum. Again, I think that's a good thing. Now, that alone is controversial for people

00:19:28.620 who are sold out to critical race theory, which again, in the interest of clarity, is an academic theory,

00:19:35.020 the principles of which have become very mainstream in the past few years, namely the ideas that America is

00:19:41.260 and always has been systemically racist and must be revolutionized, not reformed, including the

00:19:48.040 Constitution, are definitions of rights, of liberty, of property, etc. That white people are oppressors, 0.99

00:19:55.260 whether they are actively racist or not, because they are not trying to actively tear down the racist

00:20:01.380 systems in America. And black and brown people are oppressed in all manners, in all ways in the

00:20:06.740 United States, even if a few happen to succeed, because the institutions are all permeated with 0.54

00:20:12.220 the racism on which our country was founded, CRT says. And therefore, any disparity in outcome that we see

00:20:19.080 between the white race and other races is because of racism. So those are all assertions of CRT.

00:20:30.320 You might say, oh, that's not CRT. That's actually true. I promise you that I am not misrepresenting

00:20:38.560 what CRT is. When people try to say that I or someone else that I don't know what CRT is, I wish

00:20:45.360 that I didn't. I really do. I wish that I hadn't spent so many hours reading what critical race theorists

00:20:52.700 themselves say the critical race theory is. But I have, okay? So I promise you that I am not

00:20:58.680 misrepresenting. When I say the critical race theorists don't actually believe in our version,

00:21:05.360 the constitutional version of rights, of inherent rights. For example, the right to due process.

00:21:11.320 They say that the right to due process really hasn't amounted to anything good or anything

00:21:16.740 beneficial for people of color. I promise you that is not a misrepresentation. That is almost a direct

00:21:22.660 quote. So now if you can point to me exactly to where I am misrepresenting and tell me how my

00:21:31.060 description is not factual, I would love to learn and correct the record publicly. But if you just

00:21:37.400 disagree with my interpretation because you don't like that representation of CRT, I can't really help

00:21:44.740 you. People who believe in that theory that I just described, originally posited by Derek Bell and

00:21:51.200 carried on today by people like Kimberly Crenshaw and in more concrete ways by Ibram X. Kendi and

00:21:56.400 Nicole Hannah-Jones, even though they say they're not critical race theorists, their work is

00:22:00.500 representative of it. They do believe in the necessity of using public school to teach children

00:22:06.560 about the harms of whiteness, the inherent evils of every American system, the idea that America never 0.81

00:22:12.720 really ended slavery, and that essentially we haven't made any real racial progress in 1619,

00:22:18.500 the injustice of capitalism, the unfairness of meritocracy. They believe in teaching students

00:22:25.440 all of these things. They think it's true, or I don't even know if they think it's true history,

00:22:30.540 but they think it's an important, necessary rendering of history that young people need to learn.

00:22:36.200 These are all opinions, though, about our history. This is a way, theirs is a way to look at history

00:22:43.020 through the lens of race, which is what CRT is. That's not anything close to an objective view

00:22:48.820 of history. A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn, as well as the 1619 Project,

00:22:53.740 as well as the works of Derek Bell, are all narrative-based, and they own up to that, by the way.

00:22:59.300 They're not fact-based. They might have some facts sprinkled in, but it's a narrative-based view of

00:23:05.500 history, trying to add in some events and facts to fit into that narrative and omitting other things

00:23:12.580 that don't fit into the narrative. Now, you could argue that all renderings of history are subjective,

00:23:19.020 but the ones I just listed, like I said, rely on secondary sources, omissions of facts that

00:23:25.180 inconvenience their narrative, and a coloring of certain parts of our history to drive home

00:23:30.320 this idea that America has always been a bad force for its entire history, both here and abroad.

00:23:37.920 Now, my opinion is, if you want to teach about that perspective, then you can teach about that

00:23:42.980 perspective, but call it a perspective. Teach it in a way that's appropriate for the students you're

00:23:47.740 teaching, but say, look, here's what we know happened in our history based on these primary sources.

00:23:53.220 Like, these are the facts that we have based on these primary sources. Here's how some people

00:23:57.820 interpret those events. Here's how other people interpret those events. Teach about the importance

00:24:02.500 of primary sources, of asking questions, of thinking critically. Like, if you want to teach

00:24:08.160 that the 1619 Project exists, or any other journalistic project, what they say about history,

00:24:15.460 teach students to pick it apart, to critique it, to rebut it, or to weigh it against other artistic

00:24:20.880 renderings of history. That's what the 1619 Project is, by the way. It's an artistic rendering of some

00:24:26.940 things that actually happened. It is admittedly not an accurate historic account, but rather a

00:24:33.120 narrative about what Nicole Hannah-Jones imagined the history of the U.S. to be, if we start from

00:24:38.060 the CRT premise that America was founded on white supremacy, and our legacy has only been

00:24:42.320 white supremacy. So if you want to teach that that exists, that that perspective exists, that's one 0.87

00:24:49.660 thing. To teach that perspective is absolute truth, that people must reiterate as absolute truth,

00:24:55.080 that students must reiterate as absolute truth in order to get a good grade, that's wrong.

00:24:59.880 That's wrong. And it's just, it's bad education, because it's not true. And it's harmful, because

00:25:06.220 it's not teaching kids to critically think. It is teaching them to accept things that, A,

00:25:12.420 aren't objectively true, and rely on really bad scholarship. And so it's just bad all around. So

00:25:18.240 back to this bill. The parts of the bill that I've already read are controversial to progressives for

00:25:26.860 those reasons. They want to teach that stuff as fact. But there's a bigger controversy that has

00:25:33.160 probably angered a lot of people who maybe don't consider themselves diehard progressives or critical

00:25:38.060 race theorists. And that controversy lies not so much in what the bill says, but actually in what the

00:25:46.040 bill does not say. So in the House version of this bill, the Democrats had added requirements to public

00:25:52.600 school curriculum that included things like the following. And I'm reading from the House version

00:25:58.100 of this bill, quote, historical documents related to the civic accomplishments of marginalized populations,

00:26:04.800 including documents related to A, the Chicano movement, B, women's suffrage and equal rights,

00:26:11.120 C, the civil rights movement, D, the Snyder Act of 1924, and E, the American labor movement,

00:26:18.460 the history of white supremacy, including but not limited to the institution of slavery, the eugenics

00:26:24.080 movement, and the Ku Klux Klan, and the ways in which it is morally wrong. The history and importance

00:26:32.580 of the civil rights movement, including the following documents. A, Martin Luther King Jr.'s letter from a

00:26:39.000 Birmingham jail and I have a dream speech, among other. So that's what the House Democrats all wanted

00:26:47.580 to require with specificity and their House version of this bill, among some other things. So the Senate,

00:26:54.920 when they got this bill, they ended up scrapping a bunch of these requirements and instead included more

00:27:01.100 general requirements in the bill. Why? Because it is the State Board of Education's job,

00:27:09.840 not the legislature's job, to make specific curriculum requirements, for the most part.

00:27:16.320 Guy Benson reported a fact check for townhall.com, which we'll link in the description to this episode.

00:27:22.000 He quotes Rich Lowry in the article, who is an editor for National Review, who said this, quote,

00:27:26.680 What happened is that Democrats added a bunch of concepts and documents that school kids should

00:27:32.440 know in the anti-CRT bill that passed the House a few weeks ago. So a different bill. The list was

00:27:38.700 incredibly detailed and extensive when it's the role of the State Board of Education, not the

00:27:44.340 legislature, to get into the weeds of the specifics of the curriculum. Besides, many of the items are

00:27:51.440 already covered in the curriculum. It was widely expected that the Senate would pare down the House

00:27:59.220 bill, and that's what it did, including cutting a provision citing the KKK. Ben Singh goes on to

00:28:05.520 explain in his article, quote, The law is eliminating duplicative requirements from a bill leftist opposed in

00:28:12.680 the first place. Lowry cites example after example of the Texas state curriculum already requiring

00:28:19.360 teaching about the supposedly eliminated subjects from the KKK to MLK to women's suffrage to Cesar Chavez to

00:28:27.800 Native American contributions, all of which were wrongly mentioned as getting axed in the HuffPo

00:28:33.860 piece quoted above. It's entirely fair to debate anti-CRT bills as they arise in legislatures across the

00:28:40.580 country and overreach should be called out. But lying about what is actually being proposed discredits

00:28:46.900 anti-anti-CRT progressives who also gaslight parents and citizens about CRT in general.

00:28:55.780 Article goes on to say,

00:28:57.420 It's not being taught in schools, they claim, clinging to a very narrow definition,

00:29:02.400 helpfully undermined by America's top teachers union, of the broader term, which describes a

00:29:08.320 widespread and undeniable phenomenon of radically racialized indoctrination. So that part about the

00:29:16.180 teachers union that Guy Benson mentions, he is referring to the largest teachers union in the

00:29:21.760 country, the National Education Association, explicitly stating recently that the concepts of CRT

00:29:27.860 will be taught in public schools. Not CRT as a theory, but the concepts of CRT as truth. Here's what

00:29:35.120 Reason.com reports. At its yearly annual meeting, conducted virtually over the past few days, the NEA

00:29:42.060 adopted new business item 39, which essentially calls for the organization to defend the teaching

00:29:47.740 of critical race theory. It is reasonable, this is what the item says, it is reasonable and appropriate

00:29:53.240 for curriculum to be informed by academic frameworks for understanding and interpreting the impact

00:29:59.200 of the past on current society, including critical race theory, says the item. Consistent with its

00:30:06.380 defense of CRT, the Reason.com article says the NEA will also provide a study, quote, that critiques

00:30:13.380 empire, white supremacy, anti-blackness, anti-indigeneity, racism, patriarchy, cis-heteropatriarchy,

00:30:21.540 capitalism, capitalism, wow, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and

00:30:29.640 oppression at the intersections of our society. The implication is that these critiques are aspects

00:30:34.500 of critical race theory, which in a weird way makes this an example of the activist left basically

00:30:39.640 accepting the activist right's new working definition of CRT as, quote, all of the various

00:30:46.180 cultural insanities. So that's the end of the Reason.com article that I just quoted. When people

00:30:55.500 say CRT is not being taught in public schools, you're right in that no one is standing up and

00:31:03.160 saying, here's what critical race theory is. Today we're going to learn about it, second graders.

00:31:09.300 That would actually be preferred, kind of like what I said earlier. Instead, the concepts of critical

00:31:15.380 race theory, which include but are not limited to what we already defined a few minutes ago,

00:31:21.300 are being taught covertly. So that includes the concepts of white privilege and systemic racism

00:31:26.920 and intersectionality, which whether you agree with them or not, they are critical race theory

00:31:33.160 ideas. They were invented by Derrick Bell and other critical race theorists. So you might agree with

00:31:39.060 those tenets of critical race theory, but to say they're not critical race theory because you like

00:31:42.900 them or believe in them, it's just wrong. Unfortunately, how these concepts end up being

00:31:49.200 crudely taught is that white people in America are bad and that black and brown people don't have a

00:31:56.100 fair shot. And these things just are not objectively true. They're just not. So back to this bill again

00:32:03.760 and the reporting about this bill. Democrats tried to put a bunch of stuff in the bill that would,

00:32:10.700 that teachers would be required to teach. Some things that they're already required by the state

00:32:15.980 board to teach. Some things that simply don't need to be required by the state legislature to teach.

00:32:21.760 Republicans took them out, not because Republicans in the state Senate took them out, not because they

00:32:29.300 shouldn't necessarily be taught, but because it's not their job to dictate every detail of curriculum.

00:32:36.920 They instead gave more broad prohibitions and requirements, as well as some specific course

00:32:42.440 requirements like the Declaration of Independence, the Lincoln-Douglas debate, the Civil Rights Act.

00:32:48.460 The bill also gives guidance on teachings about things like slavery. It says that slavery, for

00:32:56.360 example, should be taught, quote, with respect to their relationship to American values. Slavery and

00:33:02.000 racism are anything other than deviations from betrayals of or failures to live up to the authentic

00:33:10.440 founding principles of the United States, which include liberty and equality. So I don't know

00:33:14.960 if I paired what I said with that quote in a way that makes sense. So let me explain it. This is

00:33:20.940 another blow to the tenets of CRT, saying that you can't purposely teach kids to hate their country.

00:33:28.080 You have to honestly say that here are the values upon which we were founded, and here are the ways

00:33:34.520 we didn't live up to those values through slavery and Jim Crow and things like that, rather than

00:33:40.340 saying, oh, the founders said that we were founded on liberty and equality, and really it was just a

00:33:45.060 veil for white supremacy. I'm sorry, but Frederick Douglass disagrees with you. I disagree with you

00:33:50.220 too. That would be your opinion based on an ideology, not a factual interpretation of history. So this bill

00:33:57.300 that was so purposely dishonestly reported basically says, look, you cannot require teachers to teach

00:34:06.220 in a way that aligns with a particular ideology or that ideology's view of American history, and

00:34:12.280 teachers cannot teach that one race or sex is superior or inferior to the other. And Democrats were 0.65

00:34:18.320 very clever, as I think they typically are, and this is a common tactic, filling the House bill with all of

00:34:24.580 these repetitive and unnecessary requirements for schools. Then when Republicans took them out,

00:34:29.640 they were able to say, oh my goodness, Republicans don't want kids to learn about the KKK. They're

00:34:35.520 banning talking about the history of racism. No, that's not true. And because we have such a generally

00:34:43.060 unthinking populace, because all of us, every single one of us suffer from confirmation bias that if we're

00:34:49.360 not careful, careful about, we can very easily give in to, because we have such a dishonest press,

00:34:55.940 the narrative runs rampant. And it's very difficult to correct it, because it takes time to do.

00:35:03.040 I saw some, one of you sent me a conversation between like you and an account who shared

00:35:08.560 misinformation about the bill that said that teachers can't talk about the KKK being wrong,

00:35:14.280 can't talk about, you know, the bad parts about our history and racism and things like that.

00:35:20.700 You messaged this person and said, look, you're spreading misinformation. Here's a text to the

00:35:25.120 bill. Here's what it actually does. The person replied to you and said, I really don't like reading.

00:35:30.400 Can you give me a summary? Wow. If that is not representative of what I think so many,

00:35:36.560 even celebrities and so-called influencers think, and how they process this kind of information,

00:35:43.760 whether it's about this or whether it's about Israel and Palestine, whether it's about Donald

00:35:47.860 Trump, I don't, I don't know what does. That is just, that's sad. And we have a responsibility

00:35:54.160 as parents, as educators, as mentors to try to equip young people to question and to think and to not

00:36:03.900 just go with the mainstream, but to be like, we talk about so much on this podcast, human salmon,

00:36:10.580 don't be afraid to swim upstream, even if it's unpopular. Okay. All right. That was me mixing

00:36:18.320 together. All right. And okay. I said, okay. And if you want to use it, you can, you don't even have

00:36:25.840 to give me credit. That's for free. Okay. We are going to talk briefly about this whole David Platt

00:36:32.120 thing. I'm just going to give like a very brief response to what David French said about the David

00:36:36.660 Platt thing. All right. So David Platt has actually been in the center of some drama over the past few

00:36:47.540 years. There have been some accusations from people within his church and just people within

00:36:51.880 evangelicalism who have called him woke, who have said that, you know, he is moving to the left when

00:36:58.160 it comes to racial issues. David Platt is an amazing pastor, an amazing preacher, an amazing

00:37:06.480 author. I mean, most people I know who were raised evangelical read radical, and it really changed

00:37:13.260 your perspective of just like comfort and convenience and what we're actually called to as

00:37:17.320 Christians. I have absolutely no doubt, at least from what I see, I've no doubt about the sincerity

00:37:24.180 of David Platt and how much he loves Jesus. Do I agree with everything that he has said about race 0.67

00:37:30.020 and racism? No, I don't. I really appreciated a couple years ago when he put his hand on Donald

00:37:35.400 Trump's shoulder and he prayed for Donald Trump. That got him in some hot water with some people,

00:37:40.320 apparently some people in his own congregation. And I said at the time, because David Platt released

00:37:44.400 a statement afterwards, not necessarily apologizing, but trying to kind of explain it to his congregants.

00:37:50.000 That was the mistake that I personally believe that he made, that you shouldn't even have

00:37:54.120 to explain that. You prayed for a president. I can't guarantee you that David Platt didn't vote

00:38:00.120 for President Trump, but he obviously hasn't been some outspoken supporter of President Trump.

00:38:04.440 So he prayed for him in a nonpartisan way, in a way that Republican or Democrat were supposed to be

00:38:09.620 praying for our leaders as Christians. And so I didn't think that he needed to explain that at all.

00:38:14.620 And he has kind of given credence to some of the assertions, some of the arguments of organizations

00:38:25.820 like Black Lives Matter. Like he has talked about things like structural racism, racism and systemic

00:38:32.400 racism. So he said this before. He said, a disparity exists. We can't deny this. These are not opinions.

00:38:40.520 They're facts. It matters in our country, whether one is white or black. Now we don't want it to 1.00

00:38:45.960 matter, which is why I think we try to convince ourselves it doesn't matter. We think to ourselves,

00:38:49.940 I don't hold prejudices towards black or white people. So racism is not my problem. But this is

00:38:54.600 where we need to see that racialization is our problem. It's all of our problem. We subtly,

00:38:59.280 almost unknowingly contribute to it. So that is, that is. And I don't, people get so mad like when

00:39:06.980 people say this because they think it's like this boogeyman and they think that you're just,

00:39:10.960 you're accusing anyone who talks about race or racism of being a Marxist, of being a critical

00:39:16.220 race theorist. And I think that's wrong. Like we should not do this, but this comment is critical

00:39:22.100 race theory. Now, whether David Platt has ever read Kimberly Crenshaw, uh, Kimberly Crenshaw or,

00:39:29.120 um, or Derek Bell, I highly doubt. I highly doubt he has. I do not think that David Platt subscribes

00:39:36.080 to all of critical race theory. I do not think that David Platt is a Marxist. I don't think that

00:39:40.720 he is a communist. I don't think that he agrees with probably most of the tenets of the Black Lives

00:39:45.540 Matter organization. I don't think that. I'm not calling him a false teacher. I'm not saying he's not

00:39:49.760 a real Christian. But this is an argument that is, that was founded by critical race theorists.

00:39:57.660 It just is this idea that whether you are racist or not, that we live in a racist, a racist system

00:40:03.380 that is the cause for the disparities that we see between white Americans and Black Americans. And

00:40:08.840 that today in 2021, that you are discriminated against or you are oppressed because of the color

00:40:16.120 of your skin because of these racist systems that exist, that is critical race theory. And that is

00:40:23.280 highly debatable. It's highly debatable. Now I've talked about so many times before, uh, the book

00:40:30.620 Discrimination and Disparities by Thomas Sowell. And the reason I talk about it is because just the title

00:40:37.220 or not really the title, but like the introduction alone, uh, it blows apart this fallacy that I see

00:40:44.440 so many well-meaning people give into, which is this idea that if you see a disparity between

00:40:49.920 white Americans and Black Americans, it is a given that that is because of systemic racism.

00:40:55.860 And that's because of discrimination when really typically, maybe sometimes it is because of some

00:41:01.880 like, uh, antiquated racist structure or the so-called legacy of racism or slavery. Maybe,

00:41:09.260 but so often it's so much more complex than that. And that's what Discrimination and Disparities by

00:41:15.900 Thomas Sowell lays out so perfectly that this, this assertion of the history of systemic racism

00:41:22.540 and structural racism and the legacy of the unbroken legacy and thread of, of slavery and Jim Crow and

00:41:29.000 mass incarceration is the cause for all the disparities between white and Black Americans. 0.55

00:41:34.200 He really busts that apart by actually looking at the facts and looking at the history and looking at the

00:41:38.580 data that contradicts that. And so yes, David Platt, whether he realizes it or not, and I'm

00:41:44.540 absolutely sure he is completely well-meaning in this and that he wants to seek biblical justice,

00:41:49.940 but yes, this comment absolutely speaks to a tenet of critical race theory that is debatable

00:41:56.860 at best when you actually look at the data. I am not denying that racism exists. I am not denying

00:42:03.040 that racism at one point in our history was systemic. I am not denying that there could be

00:42:09.280 impacts of previous slavery on today in a way that, uh, some people, that some people don't

00:42:15.700 experience and other people do experience. So I'm not denying that. I am not saying that talking about

00:42:20.700 race or racism is wrong. I'm not saying that talking about, um, injustice against a particular group

00:42:27.540 is wrong. I'm not saying that that's Marxist. I'm just saying what he says is not necessarily

00:42:33.740 supported by the data that we've talked about so many times on this podcast. It is rather a

00:42:39.020 narrative-based assertion that was created by people like Derrick Bell. So whether you agree

00:42:45.480 with it or not, that, that is where it comes from. That's where it comes from. And you can say all day

00:42:50.660 long, I don't agree with critical race theory. Well, you just asserted the main tenet of critical race

00:42:55.060 theory. Just accept that for what it is. Now, I don't necessarily agree with, although, again,

00:43:02.720 I don't know all of the details of this, so I'm not going to get too into it. But from what I'm

00:43:07.880 reading, I don't necessarily agree with how the people within David Platt's church are pushing back

00:43:14.620 against this. So this is what Religion News reports. On July 15th, five members of McLean Bible

00:43:20.660 Church, that's David Platt's church, filed a complaint alleging that Platt and other leaders

00:43:24.640 illegally barred them from voting at a recent congregational meeting to approve new church

00:43:30.020 leaders. The plaintiffs also claim a follow-up election at the church this weekend violated

00:43:34.940 the church's constitution. This is a breach of contract action seeking to remedy defendants

00:43:40.260 illegal actions to deny plaintiffs their rights to cast a free and fair vote, to have those votes

00:43:46.700 lawfully counted, and to enjoy their right to a secret ballot, according to the complaint. And

00:43:51.840 apparently, this vote has to do with these issues surrounding the political ideological direction

00:44:00.040 of Platt and McLean Bible Church. Now, Platt has accused his critics in a sermon of spreading

00:44:06.580 disinformation, stuffing the ballot box with votes from former members and inactive church members.

00:44:12.020 I don't know if that's true. If that is true, that is absolutely a sin. I also think it's weird

00:44:16.740 to involve civil authorities in this. Now, again, there could be details about this that just sounds

00:44:25.380 purposely contentious and maybe not the most Christlike way to handle this. I'm open to hearing

00:44:34.500 feedback on that. And I do think if Platt's accusations of his critics are true, then obviously

00:44:40.880 that is sinful to try to subvert a legitimate process in a way that is dishonest. So David Platt

00:44:49.220 said in the sermon, I want you to listen closely to the words I'm about to say. A small group of

00:44:53.820 people inside and outside this church coordinated a divisive effort to use this information in order

00:44:59.180 to persuade others to vote these men down as part of a broader effort to take control of this church.

00:45:06.340 Um, so three new elders were approved by their vote by 80% of the active member vote. There's still

00:45:13.720 dispute about who is an inactive member. A longtime member, Bill Frazier, believes church leaders

00:45:19.300 disqualified people who they thought would vote the wrong way. So that's where part of this

00:45:24.140 drama that that's that's part of how this is happening. So like one side thinks that the vote

00:45:30.480 was illegitimate because, um, of the definition of inactive members, I would say David Platt's side

00:45:36.100 thinks that the other side is saying that illegitimate members are illegitimate. Both sides,

00:45:41.100 I guess, think that they're trying to take over the church leadership and take it in a direction that

00:45:46.140 they don't agree with, uh, because of the nature of a lawsuit. Unfortunately, we cannot provide any

00:45:52.600 further comment at this time. The elder said in a statement, we praise God for our church family's

00:45:56.320 affirmation of new elders, and we would deeply appreciate your prayers for all of McLean Bible

00:46:00.960 Church as we move forward in our mission. So there is obviously, um, division going on within that

00:46:07.280 church. That should never be anything that we rejoice over. Like, we don't revel in this kind of,

00:46:12.200 uh, drama. We don't want this. Like, no matter what side of the argument that you're on, we want

00:46:17.300 unity in Christ and unity in the gospel. I'm sure that's what David Platt, uh, wants as much as I might

00:46:23.180 disagree with some comments that he has made. And I don't know, no one knows except for the people

00:46:28.620 there, all of the details of everything, um, that has gone on. Like, my prayer is for unity for them.

00:46:37.100 Um, but I want to explain a little bit more using David French's response to all of this,

00:46:43.440 why I disagree with that comment that I read from David Platt and some other things that he has said.

00:46:49.200 And again, this is not an endorsement of the people within his church doing what they're doing

00:46:54.440 to try to kind of oppose him. Cause I just don't know. I'm not picking a side. Um, I'm not picking

00:47:00.620 a side on that. But as far as the subject matter goes, let me read you a little bit about what David

00:47:05.320 French said and then why I disagree. So, um, he explains kind of what happened. Uh, then he says

00:47:12.260 the congregants, uh, this is David French's, um, like own blog. He says,

00:47:17.520 the congregants object to what they perceive as a pastoral embrace of critical race theory.

00:47:21.980 And they assert the Bible alone contains teaching sufficient to address America's race problems.

00:47:26.760 You can read the comprehensive complaint against Platt and his team here. And so I can, uh, link that

00:47:32.500 so you can read it and the allegations of teaching or advocating CRT here without restating all the

00:47:37.500 contents of these lengthy documents. David French says they include complaints that Platt and his NBC,

00:47:43.700 his, his NBC colleague, pastor Mike Kelsey marched in a Christian Black Lives Matter march,

00:47:48.620 and that Kelsey has endorsed the CRT concepts of systemic racism and white privilege. Uh, they also

00:47:54.900 condemn Platt, uh, for arguing that that absence of overt prejudice does not absolve one of the problems

00:48:03.460 of racism and racialization and includes that quote that I read earlier. Um, so then David French gives

00:48:11.680 his, um, his response or his interpretation of all of this according to scripture. And then I responded

00:48:18.940 on Twitter. He has not responded to me. I don't know if he will. So I feel comfortable talking about

00:48:23.340 it here since I've already tried to, uh, engage with him individually. So then David French responds

00:48:29.440 to this whole thing. He says, Platt is biblically and historically right. It's his detractors who are

00:48:34.080 biblically and historically wrong. Uh, he says that the conservatives, he puts in scare quotes,

00:48:39.580 have placed a secular political frame around an issue with profound religious significance. Um,

00:48:45.620 and then he says, uh, to understand the flaw in their argument, he's talking about Platt's dissenters.

00:48:51.980 Let's first turn to biblical, the biblical text. He cites second Samuel 21 during the king, uh,

00:48:57.520 the reign of King David, Israel was afflicted with three years of famine. When David sought the face of

00:49:01.920 the Lord regarding the crisis, God said there was blood guilt on Saul and on his house. Uh, Saul was king 0.99

00:49:08.680 before David and God was punishing Israel years after Saul's regime because of Saul's sin. It was the next 0.93

00:49:14.620 king, David's responsibility to make things right. Um, and then he gives some other examples of this, of

00:49:20.500 Israel committing sins in the past and then having to, um, the next generations having to seek God's 0.91

00:49:28.160 forgiveness about these sins. Um, and so David Platt or, uh, David French goes on to say, uh, let's go back

00:49:36.820 to scripture and recognize that the obligation to act justly is intergenerational. If there is

00:49:41.800 injustice that predates our personal power, it is still our obligation to do what we can to set it

00:49:47.820 right. When you see racist structures at work, you recognize that you need sociology, history,

00:49:53.120 and economics to help you understand, uh, not just their reality, but their remedy. He goes on to argue

00:49:58.820 that sola scriptura is not going to inform policy and that we have common grace to be able to draw from

00:50:06.380 different sources of wisdom to tell us, um, to tell us, you know, how to enact certain policy in a way

00:50:13.620 that is just. So even though the Bible informs our definitions of justice, when it comes to specific

00:50:18.260 policy, we do look to different sources of wisdom and advice. And of course, I believe that. I think

00:50:22.960 that is absolutely true. That's why I, uh, quote Thomas Sowell, even though he's not necessarily,

00:50:27.220 um, uh, a Christian author. I don't know his faith, but he's not writing from a Christian 0.97

00:50:31.380 perspective. Um, and then he goes on to talk about the different kinds of racist structures

00:50:37.460 that he believes have caused these disparities. He talks about the median income of, uh, black

00:50:43.760 Americans being a great deal lower than the median income of white Americans. And he talks about that 0.99

00:50:49.300 that is because of these racist structures that are in place. So here is my response to that. And

00:50:55.240 then we'll close this out. And this is what I said on Twitter. I'm just going to read what I said on

00:50:59.240 Twitter. So I say you make a lot of good points here, by the way, David French, I do believe that

00:51:05.380 you do. And I can't speak to the plot situation. This is what I said last night. I know a lot more

00:51:09.440 about the plot situation than I did then. Um, but a few ways I'd push back on what you write here.

00:51:15.040 One disparities don't equal discrimination. They don't automatically equal discrimination

00:51:19.700 because if they do, then we have to ask is discrimination also to blame for an Asian median

00:51:25.760 income. That is a lot higher than whites median income. And the article David French only compares

00:51:31.000 white versus black income and conclude that it's because of automatically exclusively past structural

00:51:37.440 racism. And maybe it is like, I'm not discounting that it could be, or partly is, but the reality is,

00:51:44.280 is that it's much more complex than that. The second point I would make America is not Israel. Now I see 0.81

00:51:52.080 a lot of right wingers, like, uh, super pro-Trump people compare, um, Israel to the United States

00:52:00.580 in trying to say that America is God's chosen nation today. And they use scripture from the past.

00:52:07.520 They decontextualize it. They apply it to America to try to say, you know, America is today's Israel. 0.53

00:52:12.720 And they're accused of Christian nationalism for doing that. And I happen to agree that that's 1.00

00:52:17.400 theologically flawed that America is not modern day Israel. It's not God's chosen country, but

00:52:23.840 I see the same moderates and leftists like Dave, like David French. I'm not saying that he is a

00:52:29.240 leftist, but like David French say, uh, that, uh, these people are Christian nationalists, that it's

00:52:37.980 wrong to, that it's wrong to assert that, that it's wrong to call America God's chosen nation, but then

00:52:44.680 they go on to do the same thing. They go on to compare America to Israel when they're talking

00:52:50.520 about it in a more negative sense when they're, or when they're trying to support their argument that,

00:52:55.800 um, that we have a call to modern repentance for past sins. And so either America is Israel or it's 0.90

00:53:04.740 not either that's Christian nationalism or it's not. I do believe that we can draw from the principles

00:53:09.940 of justice giving and the implementation of justice in the old Testament in the United States

00:53:15.640 and use that as inspiration for justice. And I mean, that's what our laws are. Um, I do believe

00:53:22.600 that, but we cannot say, okay, this happened in Israel. That means that's what has to happen in

00:53:28.420 America. And that's what David French does here. He uses examples of Israelites asking for mercy for 0.81

00:53:34.920 their ancestors sins. But the problem is besides the fact that we're not ancient Israel, number one,

00:53:41.500 they were David, for example, and there are other examples of this too, like Daniel, um, they're

00:53:47.100 talking about their actual ancestors, actual ancestors, not just people who lived in the same

00:53:52.340 place, uh, as them at one point. Like we all talk about like, oh, our ancestors had slaves. If you're

00:53:58.040 just a white person, actually probably not. Like it was a very, very small percentage of the South that

00:54:03.160 actually ever owned slaves. And so for every white person in America to say your ancestors owned

00:54:08.680 slave, just because you're a white person in America is probably not historically accurate.

00:54:12.020 That's not what was happening in the Bible. So when David is asking for, or like seeking mercy

00:54:16.880 from the consequences of old sin, um, he is not talking about just some people who shared his skin

00:54:24.080 color. He's not talking about, um, people who lived in the same geographical region that he did,

00:54:30.720 or even in the same nation that he did. He like, he is talking about his actual bloodline. Like he's

00:54:35.060 talking about his actual ancestors who committed the sins. And then the second thing I would say

00:54:39.600 is that the sins, I believe in these cases were still active. And the Bible was also very clear

00:54:46.560 that God, um, is not holding us responsible for the sins of our actual ancestors, but that doesn't

00:54:53.260 mean that we don't suffer consequences of the sins of our ancestors or even of our nation's history.

00:54:59.900 And that is what David is asking reprieve from. So while I agree with the obligation of a nation

00:55:07.760 to right past wrongs, I one don't see biblical support for melanin-based repentance. Um, and two,

00:55:14.700 I don't think that equal outcomes. So the elimination of all disparities equals justice. And I don't think

00:55:21.020 that David French does either, but that is what the disparities equals discrimination argument

00:55:27.200 implies. CRT's premise that America has always been systemically racist asserts that modern

00:55:33.400 disparities between white and black Americans, uh, exist because of the structures in place. And

00:55:38.660 while that may be true in some cases, it is not a given without some critical thinking as I'm looking

00:55:44.920 at data. Um, and then I encourage him to read soul discrimination and disparities if he has not. So

00:55:50.820 that's kind of my take on that whole situation. And we just have to, I do think we have to be so

00:55:56.880 careful not to call everyone a Marxist or a critical race theorist who talks about racism or disparities or

00:56:02.800 problems, or who poses solutions to the disparities that we see. Um, and we shouldn't do that because

00:56:09.420 that gets in the way of productive conversations, but so does critical race theory. So does assuming that

00:56:14.700 every disparity is because of racism, that, um, makes it really hard for us to look at real solutions

00:56:20.800 that might not have anything to do with race. It could be a class issue. It could be, uh, uh,

00:56:25.480 individual choice issue. It could be a welfare issue. Um, it could be a family unit issue.

00:56:32.140 There are all different types of problems that are pushed off to the side when we only see disparities

00:56:39.000 and issues that we have in this country as racial issues. That is the problem with CRT that I've heard.

00:56:44.180 I think James Lindsay say is that it's compassion is way too narrow and it doesn't allow us to see

00:56:50.140 other problems that exist. And it also doesn't prescribe actually biblical and biblically just

00:56:56.220 solutions. And I just think that we have to be careful in our exegesis and, uh, we have to be

00:57:02.360 careful in our interpretation of scripture, um, to make sure that we are applying the principles of

00:57:07.200 justice without, uh, without superimposing what was exclusive to Israel on today. And in so doing

00:57:16.140 get a wrong interpretation and a wrong application of what the Bible says. And we all, we all need help

00:57:22.060 in doing that. And so we approach scripture, uh, with humility and asking God for wisdom in trying

00:57:28.060 to approach all these issues. All right. That's all I've got time for today. I will see you back here

00:57:33.400 tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - July 26, 2021

Ep 459 ｜ David Platt Drama & “Pro-KKK” Propaganda in Texas

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