Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 461 ｜ Nope, We Are Not Masking Up & Locking Down Again ｜ Guest： Steve Deace

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. I have got a full show for you today. We are

00:00:16.420 talking about a subject that I, if you would have told me that we were still talking about

00:00:22.720 this a year ago, I would have, I don't know, buried my head in the sand and not wanted to

00:00:29.840 listen to you. And yet here we are still talking about COVID. And we're also going to talk about

00:00:34.240 the vaccine. We're going to talk about the change in messaging that we have heard from the White 0.97

00:00:40.380 House, that we have heard from the CDC. I'm going to give you just my general opinions on it. And

00:00:44.700 then I'm talking to Steve Dace, who has been reporting on this, digging into the data on this

00:00:51.360 for the past year and a half. And he was going to tell us the specifics about the data and what we

00:00:58.060 should actually be doing and thinking when it comes to the data about the vaccine, the data about the

00:01:04.860 Delta variant, the data about the vaccine mandates, mask mandates, and all of that. So he's going to

00:01:11.180 tell us the specifics. I'm going to give you a general overview of some of the inconsistencies

00:01:16.500 that we have seen, as well as just my kind of, again, general take on all of it. So you have

00:01:23.620 heard, obviously, how important it is to get the vaccine. I've told you guys that it's none of my

00:01:29.040 business whether or not you've gotten the vaccine. It's none of your business whether or not I've

00:01:33.660 gotten the vaccine. There are risks that have been reported by the Washington Post, by the New York

00:01:38.160 Times, by the CDC, by the WHO, about the vaccines that I just think that it is up to you to weigh

00:01:46.580 the risks, to weigh the benefits, depending on your health status, depending on your age, depending on

00:01:53.720 the people that you're around, the circumstances that you're in, the travel requirements for you,

00:01:58.080 for your job, that it is your responsibility to make those calculations and to decide whether or not

00:02:04.640 you are going to get the vaccine based on those calculations. I, unlike the president of the

00:02:11.360 United States, who said that all unvaccinated people are basically dumb, he said, you guys aren't 0.98

00:02:16.140 as smart as I think you are to people who are unvaccinated. I think that you, as an individual, 0.99

00:02:22.300 are very smart. I think that you are really good at critical thinking. I think that you have the

00:02:27.720 ability to be able to study this stuff and to look at numbers and to look at the research and to decide

00:02:32.640 for yourself and for your family what is best. This whole line that, well, no, there is no

00:02:38.760 thoughtfulness that has to come with this. There's no critical thinking. There's no questioning. There's

00:02:42.600 no data that you need to look at. You just need to listen to the so-called experts and the so-called

00:02:48.020 scientists that are really more politicians than scientists. That is bunk because the people who are

00:02:54.300 most vulnerable to this, the only group for which COVID is more dangerous than the flu, people who are

00:03:00.320 seniors, 60 plus, most of them have been vaccinated. The vast majority of them have been vaccinated.

00:03:06.480 So it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to tell healthy young people that you have to get it

00:03:12.000 in order to help other people. Well, the people who are most vulnerable have been vaccinated. The

00:03:18.840 people who are least vulnerable haven't been vaccinated. That's people ages 0 to 12, really ages 0 to

00:03:25.560 19. The flu is much more deadly, according to the CDC, for that group of people, people ages 0 to 19.

00:03:32.120 And so telling everyone in the middle that you have to get vaccinated for the sake of other people,

00:03:37.140 well, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There may be very good reasons for you to get

00:03:40.640 vaccinated. There may be very good reasons. And you should talk to your doctor and you should

00:03:44.400 assess all of those things in your life. I am not anti that at all. I am not. I'm not anti

00:03:52.140 any vaccine, including the COVID-19 vaccine. I am not. I just think that you are smarter

00:03:58.720 than a lot of journalists on the left, a lot of activists on the left, and the president of the

00:04:03.740 United States thinks that you are. I give you a lot more credit. I give all of us a lot more credit

00:04:11.160 than our social engineers want to give people. And that includes that includes all people, whether

00:04:20.760 you have decided to get the vaccine or not. The reason there is vaccine hesitancy is either a

00:04:27.800 because people have weighed the risk. They've done the risk benefit analysis. They have decided

00:04:33.640 they've decided that it just doesn't make sense for them, doesn't make sense for your life,

00:04:38.140 whatever it is. Either that's it or people have had a really hard time keeping up with what's true

00:04:48.600 and what's not, coming from the CDC, coming from the government. The government has no one to blame

00:04:56.940 and the media have no one to blame for vaccine hesitancy but themselves. The CDC has no one to

00:05:04.880 blame for vaccine hesitancy except for themselves, the media, and the government. That is a fact.

00:05:11.480 They have gone back and forth on everything. At first, we were told, of course, this has 99%

00:05:16.640 efficacy. You should absolutely get the vaccine and you are protected from everything. Now,

00:05:21.040 we are hearing that's not necessarily true. It was just reported this morning. I saw the New York

00:05:26.000 Post say that apparently scientists are warning that we are just a few variants away in COVID-19 from the

00:05:33.780 vaccines no longer working. I also saw the Washington Post report that apparently you have to get a third

00:05:38.920 booster shot in order to be truly protected from this Delta variant. At the same time, we are hearing

00:05:45.040 a reversal of what we just heard a few months ago from the CDC that fully vaccinated people still need

00:05:51.200 to wear a mask, still need to socially distance, and basically do all of the things that they were

00:05:55.900 doing at the height of the pandemic, despite the fact that we are at record lows for hospitalizations

00:06:01.060 and deaths across the country for COVID. Yes, cases have gone up, but deaths and hospitalizations

00:06:07.580 have not gone up. And I think you can attribute that to a few things. I think one of the things

00:06:12.240 that you can contribute that to is the vaccine. We're going to talk more about that with Steve

00:06:18.380 Days. And now we are hearing not only do adults who have been fully vaccinated, they need to double

00:06:25.180 mask and do all of those things that we were still doing a year ago. We're also told, this is according

00:06:31.260 to CNN, the CDC will recommend everyone in K through 12 schools wear a mask regardless of vaccination

00:06:38.940 status in new guidance. So what is the goal here? Is the goal to incentivize people to get vaccinated,

00:06:48.460 vaccinated? Or is it not? Because if you're trying to say that your life is going to be the exact same,

00:06:54.880 basically, whether or not you get vaccinated, that is not going to encourage healthy young people to

00:07:00.680 get vaccinated. The messaging on this is so absurd. Why anyone trusts the media? Why anyone trusts these

00:07:08.360 soulless bureaucrats to dictate your life and to tell you what is best for you and your family? It's beyond

00:07:14.920 me. It is beyond me. Look, we're not doing this again. Okay? We're not doing this again. People

00:07:21.620 are going to get vaccinated if they want to get vaccinated. More power to everyone who makes your

00:07:28.600 own decision whether or not to get vaccinated. For some people, it makes more sense than others.

00:07:36.020 People are going to wear their mask if they want to wear their mask. I saw this very troubling thread

00:07:41.060 from an anesthesiologist saying that she still goes to the grocery store, full-on pretty much

00:07:49.160 hazmat suit, does not talk to anyone, puts on her gloves. You've heard of Amazon Prime, right? Just 0.98

00:07:55.160 order your groceries off the internet. But anyway, if you want to do that, whatever, that's fine. You

00:08:01.100 have the absolute freedom to do that. We are not closing down businesses again. We are not closing

00:08:05.860 down schools again. More kids died by suicide in the last year and a half than died by COVID.

00:08:11.060 The mental health crisis is worse than it's ever been. We are not shutting down the country,

00:08:18.700 shutting down the economy, ruining people's lives, crashing the mental health of young people, 0.63

00:08:24.400 irrevocably, irreversibly harming young people. We are not going to inhibit the education of young

00:08:31.080 kids who actually need to be able to see the facial expressions of their teachers in order to be able to

00:08:39.100 learn how to communicate. We're teaching young people to distance themselves in social interactions, 0.97

00:08:47.660 to not trust people, to view people as vectors of a virus that, for kids, again, has basically

00:08:54.160 no threat. It poses no threat to them whatsoever. And we are really rewarding people who don't follow the

00:09:03.580 science, who don't follow the facts about that kind of thing, who keep on insisting that mask mandates

00:09:09.080 work when there's no data to prove that, who keep on insisting that lockdowns work when there's no data

00:09:14.560 to prove that, and actually a lot of data that proves to the contrary. Those people who don't follow the

00:09:20.600 science, who don't follow the facts, point their fingers at everyone else for being anti-science?

00:09:26.580 No, no, we're not. We are not doing this again. We're not. And I've seen people, you know,

00:09:35.040 protests in Australia, protests in France about lockdowns, about vaccine mandates,

00:09:41.720 and they're not having it. They're not having it. And so I've seen people, apolitical people,

00:09:49.200 even people I think who probably identify as on the left say, no, my kid is not going to wear a mask

00:09:54.820 at school. They're not. And because it doesn't make sense, they're not only not getting the virus,

00:09:59.640 and they're certainly not dying from the virus, they're also not transmitting the virus from all

00:10:03.900 available data. So it's just not going to happen. And you're telling me that we're supposed to trust

00:10:08.560 the same media who said that the Black Lives Matter riots and mass protests, most of them maskless

00:10:18.480 mass protests, by the way, which I personally don't think makes a whole lot of a difference,

00:10:23.060 but we're told that a mask is a sign of your virtue, that that those were actually that didn't spread

00:10:30.980 the virus at all, that that was that was totally fine. And that actually may have helped stop the

00:10:36.120 transmission of the virus. I'm not kidding you. Let me read you. Let me read you some headlines.

00:10:40.600 This was posted by libs of TikTok, which is a very depressing account because he posts the most

00:10:48.800 ridiculous takes that you can find on TikTok and he posts them on Twitter. But he did a lot of

00:10:56.020 research, I'm guessing it's a he, in comparing and contrasting the attack on the Capitol. So the

00:11:02.940 riot that happened on the Capitol, which of course is terrible. We've already talked about that. I don't

00:11:07.860 even need to give that caveat. You guys know how I feel about that. Versus how they reported on COVID

00:11:13.520 when it comes to the Black Lives Matter protests and riots. Okay, so let's let's just compare some

00:11:19.420 of the headlines from last summer to what happened at the Capitol. So this is Vox. Vox said, June 26,

00:11:28.740 2020, the effect of Black Lives Matter protests on coronavirus cases explained. Coronavirus cases

00:11:34.060 are increasing, but Black Lives Matter protests may not be to blame. Here's why. Then January 10,

00:11:41.960 2021, the attack on the Capitol may have also been a super spreader event. Lawmakers may have been

00:11:48.180 exposed to the coronavirus during Wednesday's riot. Wow. So first of all, it's amazing what counts as a

00:11:54.720 riot and what doesn't. Apparently, burning and desecrating federal buildings, as long as you're a 0.52

00:12:01.300 left-wing rioter, is not a riot. That is a peaceful protest that actually somehow stops the transmission

00:12:06.600 of the virus. But desecrating and storming upon federal property, if you are someone who identifies

00:12:15.120 as right-wing, is a riot and also is a super spreader event. This virus is so woke. The wokeness

00:12:21.160 of this virus just continues to impress me. Okay, here's what Forbes said. Forbes says in July.

00:12:29.880 Getting old, I can't see any glasses. Okay, research determines protests did not cause spike in

00:12:36.040 coronavirus cases. That's what Forbes said in June 2020. Then January 10, 2021, Forbes says lawmakers

00:12:44.880 sheltering during Capitol riot may have been exposed to coronavirus. Okay, so again, we see this very,

00:12:50.160 very woke virus. CNN, June 2020, Black Lives Matter protests have not led to a spike in coronavirus cases,

00:12:57.780 research says. And then January 2021, 38 Capitol police officers test positive for COVID-19 after

00:13:04.280 Capitol riot. USA Today, June 2020, coronavirus surges aren't linked to Black Lives Matter protests.

00:13:11.320 And then we see USA Today reports in January of 2021, Wednesday storming at the U.S. Capitol will

00:13:19.000 likely be a surge event for the coronavirus. CNBC, House GOP leaders suggest without evidence that

00:13:25.840 protests are driving up coronavirus cases. That's June 2020. Then January 2021, COVID killing nearly

00:13:32.420 3,000 in U.S. every day, a CDC warns of surge event from Capitol riots. And so the Capitol riot

00:13:38.120 actually didn't just cause a surge there in D.C., didn't just expose lawmakers, but the surge that we

00:13:43.020 were seeing across the country actually happened because of what happened at the Capitol. That's

00:13:50.080 amazing. The New York Times, June 2020, did Floyd protests lead to a virus surge? Here's what we know.

00:13:56.780 Epidemiologists have braced for a surge of coronavirus cases, but it has not come yet.

00:14:02.480 Wow. Then January 2021, did mixing a riot with the pandemic yield a super spreader event? Members

00:14:10.060 of a mob, many unmasked, roamed the halls of the Capitol, unmasked Republicans jammed into secure

00:14:15.400 rooms. The outcome is worrisome to many members of Congress. It goes on and on. We've got NBC saying

00:14:21.240 the same thing. We've got Insider saying the same thing. We've got the Wall Street Journal doing the

00:14:26.260 same little dance. We've got the AP. We've got The Verge. I mean, we've got media outlet after media

00:14:33.080 outlet basically, you know, doing PR for Black Lives Matter, saying that a whole mass of people

00:14:39.480 together yelling without masks on doesn't spread coronavirus. If that's true, by the way, then there's

00:14:46.460 certainly no reason for lockdowns. Like, there's no reason why people shouldn't just be in maskless

00:14:50.580 mosh pits all the time. If that doesn't lead to the coronavirus, but somehow, like, kids in a 0.98

00:14:57.740 classroom being six feet apart does lead to the coronavirus, we've got some problems here. But of

00:15:04.080 course, what happened on January 6th, that was a super spreader event. Again, I just want to say the

00:15:10.060 political leanings of COVID-19 are just, they're so incredibly progressive and, of course, worthy of

00:15:20.560 the media's applause. And so when you see this kind of inconsistency, you see this kind of inconsistency

00:15:26.620 coming from the CDC, coming from the White House, and just the condescension also coming from the

00:15:32.560 White House. When you see this kind of thing coming from journalists, that obviously politics are at

00:15:37.440 play here. When you see the media reporting that it's only white evangelical Trump-supporting Calvinists

00:15:43.880 who are not getting vaccinated when the data doesn't show that at all, when actually there are

00:15:50.180 Democrats also who aren't getting vaccinated. And there is a large, a large percentage of

00:15:56.420 minority Americans, what they would call black and brown bodies, I think is like the progressive

00:16:02.440 terminology, are not getting vaccinated. And somehow, I even saw someone, I think it was on MSNBC,

00:16:08.860 blaming that. The fact that black and brown Americans are not getting the vaccine, somehow 0.90

00:16:13.400 that is also blamed on white supremacy. It's really incredible. This is all political. It's all 0.87

00:16:19.040 political. And that's unfortunate because this is a real virus and it's killing real people and it has

00:16:27.980 real effects. And so do the lockdowns and so does distant learning and virtual learning. All of this

00:16:34.920 stuff has a real effect on people who lost their jobs, whose mental health collapsed, who have been

00:16:39.540 isolated for the past year and a half. These are hurting real people. Lack of freedom, lack of objective

00:16:46.440 information about the virus, lack of consistency when it comes to the release of scientific findings

00:16:53.740 about the vaccines. All of that has an effect on real people. But it seems like the people who are

00:17:00.360 are giving us these messages don't actually care. They don't actually care. They care about their

00:17:06.760 bottom line. They care about their power. They care about their influence. And I'm just here to say,

00:17:12.540 like, we're not doing this again. We're not going back to where we were a year ago. And if you as a

00:17:19.400 parent of a student, as just an individual, as a constituent, if you don't care enough to stand up

00:17:27.960 for truth, to stand up for facts, to stand up for actual science, and to stand up for liberty,

00:17:33.820 then you're useless at this point, okay? Like, we're in a very important point in history where

00:17:40.120 people have to be willing to say what is true. And you want to talk about loving your neighbor.

00:17:47.120 Loving your neighbor is caring about the truth, is caring about a fact, is caring about the science,

00:17:54.080 is caring about your neighbor's freedom and their right to be able to live in liberty. That should be

00:18:03.900 a given in the United States of America. And it should be up to our policymakers to constantly

00:18:08.540 be weighing that, to say, okay, how do we make sure that we're protecting public health as much as we

00:18:14.440 can without infringing on the rights of our constituents and making sure that we don't crush

00:18:18.960 their livelihoods and their lives? It shouldn't really be. It is complicated, but it shouldn't

00:18:24.360 really be all that difficult. And yet, because of the constant politicization in the United States,

00:18:29.960 it actually does become very complex. And so we need people like you to stand up and care.

00:18:36.020 We need more people to care. All right. Now I'm going to talk to Steve Dace, who has

00:18:40.100 so much data for us, so many facts for us. And if you are feeling riled up, you're going to feel

00:18:47.100 even more riled up after you listen to him. And that's a good thing. We need to be riled up right

00:18:51.800 now. We don't need to be anxious because God is offering over it all. But we do need to care.

00:18:57.280 We need to care. Now is not the time for complacency. That's the last feeling that

00:19:02.060 you need to have is complacency. All right. We're about to get into that conversation.

00:19:07.020 Steve, thank you so much for joining us on your birthday, might I add. I want to talk to you

00:19:19.180 about all the COVID inconsistency that you have been talking about for a very long time.

00:19:25.340 Let's first start with some of the messaging that we've seen about the vaccine. The latest I saw was

00:19:31.640 that actually we're a few strains away from the vaccine no longer working. What the heck does that

00:19:39.000 mean? What does that imply for people who haven't been vaccinated? Make sense of that for us.

00:19:44.140 Well, we've we've traditionally and I'm citing here somebody who knows a lot more about this than me.

00:19:49.360 Martin Koldorf at Harvard, number one rated university in the country. He helped to build the CDC's

00:19:55.640 adverse side effects website. He's one of the leading epidemiological researchers and statisticians

00:20:03.020 in the world. He says we've never really done going back to the history of vaccination, which really

00:20:08.280 dates back to trying to use cowpox to defeat smallpox in the late 18th century. That was kind of

00:20:14.520 the first ever vaccination attempt. In all that time, Ali, we have never really attempted while an

00:20:20.940 outbreak was still ascendant to some level to try to inoculate or vaccinate people in real time while

00:20:28.140 this is happening. Instead, what we have done in this word has now, of course, been bastardized like

00:20:34.240 a lot of words that used to have great meaning in our tradition have been in recent years. Instead,

00:20:39.020 we practiced for thousands of years what was called herd immunity. And this is by isolating those who were 0.96

00:20:45.680 either the most vulnerable or were the most symptomatic from the rest of the community or

00:20:51.120 the herd. While the herd then built up its immune system and slowly but surely began to build up a

00:20:58.260 natural level of immunity to an outbreak. And then eventually vaccines came into play and that helped

00:21:04.980 us to reach herd immunity faster. I found it fascinating last year. Everybody said herd immunity is a scam.

00:21:10.640 Stay inside until we get a vaccine. Hey, moron, the point of a vaccine is to help us to reach herd 0.99

00:21:16.740 immunity. That's the whole point of it. Just to do it faster with less of a loss of life and less 1.00

00:21:22.180 infection. And so what I believe is happening here, Ali, is because we are doing this active vaccination

00:21:27.700 in the middle of an ascendant strain of a virus, that it is mutating on us in real time. And you're

00:21:33.880 watching it both in terms of the number of cases in the UK and in Israel. You're looking at breakthrough

00:21:39.000 cases on a high profile basis here in the United States, for example. And I think what you're

00:21:44.540 seeing is now that we're into the Indian variant or the Delta variant, you're seeing that the vaccine

00:21:49.200 from a stopping any of the vaccines from a stopping of a transmission or an infection standpoint are

00:21:55.180 dramatically losing efficacy to the point that, as the CDC admitted yesterday, the vaccinated

00:22:00.180 themselves may be carrying a higher viral load that could infect other people or a form of shedding of

00:22:08.060 the virus, if you will. Now, overall, the data and the news is very good. But when most people hear

00:22:15.260 vaccines, Ali, they think of, I think I'm about half a generation ahead of you. So when I was going

00:22:22.540 to school, we got your typical vaccine cocktail of measles and mumps and those sorts of things,

00:22:27.140 which was about a dozen to 17 of them. Now we have so many, many more HPVs, which we even want to

00:22:33.580 give to boys and stuff now. And so when people think vaccine, though, they think inoculation or

00:22:40.080 immunization. That's what they think. Like, I'll take this shot and not get polio. But in reality,

00:22:46.180 a lot of what we sell today as vaccines are really therapeutics, like the flu vaccine, meaning that it's

00:22:52.680 devised on a therapeutic level to help lessen your symptoms or to cause a serious infection within you.

00:22:59.980 And that's really what we're seeing in real time data from the COVID vaccines,

00:23:04.440 that the one area where they do still seem to be holding firm in real time. Now, this is going to

00:23:09.460 be tested because in the last couple of weeks here in the US, by some ways you count it, you could make

00:23:15.220 a case. Our cases that have exploded 150% here in the last couple of weeks of July. So far, our death

00:23:22.120 numbers remain at record lows. Last year in July, we were going to see about 30,000 plus deaths with

00:23:28.020 COVID. This year, it's probably going to be around 10. The last two days, we've seen the lowest combined

00:23:33.480 death total in America since before we started keeping the stat for COVID deaths on March 19th of last

00:23:39.760 year. We have been at 45 consecutive days with 500 or fewer deaths, which is outstanding in a country of 0.77

00:23:46.740 329 million people. We've been at 109 consecutive days of 1,000 or less current deaths. We have seen an 88% 0.74

00:23:54.920 decline in daily deaths since we've reached our peak of COVID cases back on January the 31st of

00:24:00.960 this year. So those trend lines are all very good. Those should be all great news. But now they're

00:24:07.540 going to test the final efficacious claim of the vaccines, Ali. Do they really prevent serious

00:24:12.980 infection and death? Because with the rising caseload, if we continue to see our death numbers

00:24:18.320 remain at this stabilized level, then we'll know in real time that they do. But if we now start to see,

00:24:24.400 you typically see a lag from deaths to a rise in cases, right? So in the next couple of weeks,

00:24:29.200 if we start seeing a precipitous rise in our death totals on a daily basis, then I think the last

00:24:35.380 kind of remaining fig leaf of the COVID vaccine narrative, which is that they prevent death and

00:24:41.280 serious illness, that will be tested too. And I think we all obviously pray that that does not occur.

00:24:48.160 But won't they just say that it has nothing to do with the vaccine, that it has everything to do

00:24:52.220 with unvaccinated people, even though, as you just said, we know that apparently vaccinated people

00:24:58.020 can be asymptomatic and infect other people. We're still hearing that the reason for the rise in cases

00:25:03.560 and possibly the potential, you know, rise in deaths is all because of stupid unvaccinated 1.00

00:25:08.980 hicks that voted for Donald Trump. So won't they just try to continue to push that narrative rather 1.00

00:25:14.860 than saying, oh, well, maybe the vaccine doesn't work as well as we thought it did?

00:25:18.040 Of course they will. But they've also tried pushing lockdowns and mask narratives. And

00:25:22.700 and there's been some of us that have been able to use data to destroy their narratives here.

00:25:27.880 And let me just start with the politicization of this process. And I want to work my way back to

00:25:32.160 the data if you're OK with it. Yeah. In Wayne County, Michigan, Joe Biden got almost 70 percent of the

00:25:38.040 vote there last November. Allie, their current vaccination rate in Wayne County, Michigan is barely

00:25:43.420 above 50 percent. The vaccination rate in Wayne County, Michigan is lagging about 20 points behind

00:25:50.180 Joe Biden's vote total. So the idea that this is just a bunch of make America great troglodytes who

00:25:56.320 barely made it out of community college and don't follow the science, that they're the only ones that

00:26:02.980 are resistant to this is just there's just no data to support that. That's just simply not true.

00:26:07.760 And so I think that you're seeing, in fact, Trafalgar Group, who combined was the most accurate in the

00:26:14.500 last two presidential elections. They just did a poll on vaccination mandates. They found they are

00:26:20.400 that 71 percent of Americans oppose vaccination mandates, including almost 60 percent of Democrats.

00:26:27.960 Now, what's fascinating about that is in recent memory, the most unpopular public policy

00:26:32.420 was the TARP bailouts that spawned the Tea Party in 2008 when the government, when we had the credit

00:26:39.160 markets couldn't remain liquid and had to be bailed out. That was actually only disapproved by only,

00:26:45.620 I say, 67 percent of Americans, which would mean vaccine mandates would be the most single most

00:26:52.600 unpopular piece of legislation in recent American history. And I would argue we are even more polarized

00:26:58.840 politically, Ali, than we were in 2008. There's very few things you're probably going to get

00:27:03.860 a majority of people to agree on in Wayne County, Michigan, whether they voted for Trump or Biden.

00:27:11.480 And vaccine mandates or questions about this vaccine are one of them. So I think the political

00:27:16.620 narrative and the more they use that, the more they're going to run into resistance on this.

00:27:21.240 Tyrannies or threats thereof aren't going to work. There are serious questions people have.

00:27:25.840 Why do you ignore natural immunity, for example? We have had this week now two major studies,

00:27:31.260 one at cell.com, one at Emory University, a top 20 university in the country, that show that

00:27:37.240 natural immunity or meaning recovery from a previous infection is superior to what we're seeing in terms

00:27:44.040 of both efficacy and duration to any of the vaccine efficacy. Israel is proof of this. And this is the

00:27:50.900 other problem they have, Ali, is when you look at the data, we have other countries now with real-time

00:27:55.700 data that allow us to push back on the Overton window that exists between big pharma and big

00:28:01.360 tech and big media in our country. So for example, in Israel, Israel's own real-time data from its

00:28:07.260 Ministry of Health found 40% of its new cases, Ali, were coming from fully vaccinated individuals.

00:28:13.060 Meanwhile, less than 1% of its new cases were coming from people who were previously known

00:28:18.400 to be infected and recovered. That is data right out of the nation of Israel, for example.

00:28:23.400 Nowhere in the world so far, and believe me, if they could find that person, they would,

00:28:28.280 because it would be the greatest, pardon the pun, booster shot for selling Pfizer and Moderna

00:28:33.580 jabs than anything else. They have not found a single case anywhere in the world so far of someone

00:28:39.660 who was previously infected and then had a second infection that was as bad or worse. That patient

00:28:47.120 zero has not existed anywhere so far in the last year and a half, anywhere on planet Earth.

00:28:52.460 So there's just too much data now that indicates that those claims aren't true. It's not going to

00:28:58.420 stop them from trying them. But this is where audiences like ours need to be informed, need to be

00:29:04.120 ready, willing, and able to mobilize and to push back against this. And so there is no data to support

00:29:11.060 any of those claims whatsoever.

00:29:12.940 I'm very confused about what the goal is. It's hard. It's just hard to tell because on the one

00:29:20.120 hand, obviously, they're pushing the vaccines. They're shaming the people who haven't gotten

00:29:23.460 vaccinated. On the other hand, they're saying, you know, like I said, there were a few strains away

00:29:29.040 from the vaccine not even working. We're seeing some of the data that you just talked about.

00:29:33.640 We're also hearing back and forth about masks that actually if you're fully vaccinated, you need to

00:29:38.620 wear masks. Your kids need to wear masks. I think there was something about wearing a mask in your

00:29:43.280 home. Just crazy, like threats of lockdowns, all these things. I saw a Babylon B headline that was

00:29:49.920 like, for this round of, you know, the virus, we're going to try all the things that didn't work last

00:29:54.680 time again just to see. And so we're hearing about that. And obviously, like that kind of messaging is

00:30:01.820 not going to encourage people to get the vaccine because people are thinking, well, why would I?

00:30:06.480 How would my life really change, especially if you're someone who's under, say, 40 and you know

00:30:11.180 that the you know that COVID is not going to affect you probably that badly? So I'm just confused about

00:30:18.120 what the goal of the media is, what the goal of the Biden administration is with all of this back

00:30:22.580 and forth about masks and lockdowns and mandates and things like that. It's just not inspiring very

00:30:27.320 much confidence. That's a great observation. So the question then becomes, is it about using

00:30:33.840 something? Never let a good crisis go to waste. So you use this to implement a quote unquote great

00:30:38.280 reset. Is this a byproduct of the politicization of science? And so we've gone from science to what I

00:30:43.680 like to call the science, which is just a political narrative. Is it just another example of federal

00:30:51.300 government incompetency? The answer to the question is yes. To try to paint a broad brush,

00:30:58.000 I should say, of motivations for all of these people just won't work. I mean, human nature is

00:31:04.620 more complicated than that. But all three of these things at the same time, all three of these impulses

00:31:10.140 are at work within the exact same time, which is why there are so many of their own contradictions.

00:31:18.200 And that's why we ought to be all very thankful. There's three reasons that we, I think,

00:31:27.340 in the United States have not had to face the sort of draconian lockdowns. Right now,

00:31:33.540 if you're an Israeli, your safety, they're announcing that they're essentially going to issue

00:31:38.220 a medical apartheid state on August the 8th. I mean, it's like our colleague Daniel Horowitz said,

00:31:44.000 I liked Prime Minister Bennett's speech announcing this when it was in the original

00:31:47.860 German in the 1930s. I mean, this is just preposterous what's going on in some of these 1.00

00:31:53.900 countries where they don't have God-given rights and they don't have a Second Amendment. So there is

00:31:58.560 no built-in fear of the people by the government. The third thing we have at our advantage is we have

00:32:04.280 a control group, and that's Sweden, which is ironic because the country that gave the world Greta

00:32:09.420 Thunberg a few years ago has, for whatever reason, been the lone control group to point out the

00:32:16.320 fallacy of all of this, from lockdowns last year to masks and vaccinations, which I'll get into here

00:32:21.980 in a minute, this year. And the only thing I can, because I do think for us as Christians,

00:32:26.740 we do now start to really need to analyze the motivations of the things that are being foisted

00:32:31.620 upon us. Because, you know, we need to know, is somebody a sheep or a wolf, right? Are these people

00:32:36.560 just this bad at this, just this ignorant at it? If that's the case, then you know what? Mercy triumphs 1.00

00:32:40.900 over judgment. The scripture is pretty clear about that. If they're wolves, though, if this is an

00:32:45.160 attempt to deceive even the elect, well, that requires a different level of response from us

00:32:52.360 and far more confrontational and provoking and kind. And so I think we need to know the answer

00:32:57.380 of motivations to your question. When you look at Sweden, I think what happened in Sweden, Ali,

00:33:02.320 is just when we heard a lot of lefties and stuff growing up and all these years talk about science

00:33:08.040 and socialism, that a lot of them really didn't mean it. That a lot of it was really,

00:33:13.620 these were deconstructing mechanisms to use postmodernism as a way to divorce Western

00:33:19.000 civilization away from its Judeo-Christian foundation and introduce it into what they 0.94

00:33:23.760 want it to be governed by, what they want it to be its plumb line instead. I think Sweden was just 0.92

00:33:28.300 like, yeah, that stuff's great. Let's go all the way with it. And so like, they have just been

00:33:31.820 like brutally honest and they just like actually follow science. They're the most secular country in

00:33:36.100 Europe. And they're like, you know, our people are love this secular life. They love having any

00:33:41.000 morality they want. Why should we ruin our country over a lie? And so they have been actually,

00:33:46.660 Martin Koldorf, who I quoted earlier, he's a socialist, by the way, Ali. All right. And so

00:33:51.620 I think what we're learning in the last year and a half is we're finding out that even on the left,

00:33:56.560 there's people who actually believe in like leftist dogma and tropes. But then a lot of these people

00:34:01.460 just want to use that as a means of acquiring power. They don't really believe in it. And so

00:34:05.840 Sweden has just followed science the entire time. And now we sit here today. Yesterday, they broke

00:34:11.140 their 12-day string of zero deaths, zero daily deaths in a nation of 10.2 million. That's the

00:34:17.280 population of Michigan, by the way. They went 12 consecutive days with no deaths. Yesterday,

00:34:22.280 they broke their string. They went back and retroactively attributed a single death on two

00:34:27.120 different days. But they have not reached double figures in deaths in Sweden, Ali, in 42 days.

00:34:33.680 This, by the way, is a country with only 39% of the population is vaccinated. It has the lowest

00:34:38.760 mask compliance in the EU. Less than 9% of Swedes identify as mask wearers. There was a case that was

00:34:46.480 a high-profile case in the country a few months ago where they sent a student home from school

00:34:50.580 because he insisted on wearing a mask. They sent him home because he was scaring the rest of his

00:34:55.020 classmates. I kid you not. So Sweden is your control group here to show us in real time. 1.00

00:35:02.820 And now you cannot take Sweden's data and extrapolate it to the United States. Totally

00:35:07.340 different population base and everything else. That wouldn't be intellectually honest. So what I

00:35:11.040 have been doing actually is applying Sweden's data to Michigan's because the population is similar.

00:35:16.760 And also just like a large chunk of population density in Sweden surrounds Stockholm, the same thing

00:35:23.320 exists in Michigan, surrounding Detroit. And so when you look at by any reasonable measure except

00:35:28.480 cases, they're pretty close in cases. But by any other reasonable measure, freedoms lost, loss of life,

00:35:35.280 hospitalizations, Sweden over the last year and a half has way outperformed Michigan, which had a mask

00:35:41.500 mandate for about eight months, which had one of the worst lockdowns in the country.

00:35:44.940 Do we have any data that supports mask mandates and lockdowns working, reducing cases anywhere?

00:35:56.240 No. In fact, Governor Ron DeSantis looked at this, commissioned in his office this study

00:36:02.020 right before, right in the middle, before they started pulling masks out of the schools last fall.

00:36:06.620 And what they found is in Florida's counties that the average performance based on mask mandates,

00:36:12.320 and in fact, in several cases, counties that had mask mandates actually underperformed the rest of

00:36:18.960 the state. If you look at, I just go back to the state of Michigan. I mean, you look at what their

00:36:24.840 mask mandates did, all their data shows they do no good. They don't do anything whatsoever.

00:36:29.960 And the reason why is because the virus is airborne. The original rationale we were given for masks

00:36:34.660 is it will contain, the mask won't save you from getting the virus, but it'll stop somebody else from

00:36:39.720 getting it because you'll catch these large droplets. The reality is that once this thing,

00:36:45.220 this thing has gone airborne now, that's why your masks don't work. That's why, by the way,

00:36:48.500 you've never worn masks every flu season of your life. It's an airborne virus. Okay. So it just doesn't

00:36:54.320 work. Eventually we have to breathe. The idea that a loose cloth fitting mask, there's no data anywhere

00:37:00.700 on planet earth. There's been one random control study that was done last year by Denmark that found

00:37:05.980 at worst it didn't do any good. Uh, that was, that was the best it could do is it would do Norway did 0.97

00:37:11.260 a study last year and found that they were going to have to forcibly mask 200,000 people in order to

00:37:16.640 stop a single infection, forcibly mask, meaning like measure the mask, make sure they're tight fitting and

00:37:22.300 everything for 200,000 people to stop one infection. It's a, it's a psyop. It's a, it's, it's a virtue

00:37:27.920 signal. It's, it's, it's, it's a pan, um, you know, uh, idol. Uh, it's a bail idol. It's just

00:37:35.000 something that, uh, I get to say I'm better than you. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm nicer than you. Um,

00:37:40.740 and they don't work. There's no data anywhere, anywhere in the world they work. It's a complete

00:37:44.980 and total scam. And we actually see a lot of Christian, you know, we saw Christians in the 0.99

00:37:48.720 beginning saying, shutting down your church is loving your neighbor, wearing a mask and goggles

00:37:52.820 and gloves when you're by yourself in your car is loving your neighbor. Um, now, of course,

00:37:57.220 we're seeing people say, uh, getting the vaccine is loving your neighbor. We're going to soon hear

00:38:02.120 having your infant vaccinated is loving your neighbor. What's your take on that? A lot of

00:38:07.220 people have asked me, okay, what's the theology behind that? Do I have to get the vaccine to

00:38:11.300 love my neighbor? Well, we have a commandment, um, and it says not to bear false witness, correct?

00:38:18.900 So now we may find out, like I just said a little while ago, we're going to find out these next few

00:38:25.840 weeks, whether the last remaining bromide of the COVID vaccination protocols that they save lives

00:38:32.540 holds firm. If the death data stays reasonably low with this surge of cases in the United States,

00:38:39.400 then they'll be able to make that claim in real time. And then you could maybe make the case

00:38:43.500 that getting the vaccine does indeed, is indeed you loving your neighbor as you love yourself.

00:38:48.160 Here's the thing though. We've already vaccinated 90% plus of our seniors with at least one shot over

00:38:54.300 80% of our seniors have, have both of them, but we, that, that may still hold. I don't know. We'll

00:39:00.320 see what the data looks like here in a few weeks. Um, but in terms of masks and lockdowns and the rest

00:39:05.520 of it, the reality is all of it's a lie. It doesn't do anything. In fact, you're, you're actually

00:39:10.120 participating in a pagan ritual. We call them virtue signals today, but they didn't have that term

00:39:15.900 when you were standing in line waiting to sacrifice your babies, babies to, to cheat to

00:39:19.800 Molech in Israel. Uh, they didn't call it a virtue signal. They just called it, you know, um, just

00:39:24.720 part of being, uh, you know, a member of polite society. Uh, it's, it's really a pagan talisman.

00:39:30.200 That's what the mask is. The lockdowns don't work. And now we're on a mental health cliff. All the,

00:39:34.700 I could point so much data on mental health. It's crazy. My wife is just about to finish her 0.51

00:39:39.360 masters from Liberty as a therapist. She already has a full-time job lined up. Uh, she works with

00:39:44.600 one of the largest Christian counseling firms here in the state of Iowa. They're turning people 0.99

00:39:48.460 away. They don't have enough room. They're, they're, they're desperate to hire people. So that's a lie

00:39:53.160 on the vaccine with the, with the infants and everything else. That's one of the key questions

00:39:57.000 we need answers to. So, so here's some data. I think your audience, particularly I'm guessing

00:40:01.340 there's going to be a lot of moms in this audience. Here's some data. I think they absolutely 0.97

00:40:05.540 need to know. Okay. According to CDC 331 of the 626,000 deaths that we have had with COVID

00:40:13.720 are minors, children under the age 17 or younger. All right. That is 0.005 or 0.05% of our total

00:40:24.480 COVID deaths in this country have been minors 0.05%. Now we're keeping in mind deaths are with 0.84

00:40:31.360 COVID. So we don't really know how many people COVID was the main cause of their death or was

00:40:38.600 something that instigated or kicked into high gear, the comorbidities they already had. And that's what

00:40:43.720 a flu does. And every other kind of an outbreak does, right? You may have, you may have lung disease

00:40:48.060 or heart disease. The flu didn't kill you, but it caused those things to take you maybe earlier than

00:40:53.980 it otherwise would have. Now, so, so the same thing with, with, with, uh, with the vaccines,

00:40:59.480 the CDC does not tell us who actually has died from taking the vaccine. They define it as deaths

00:41:05.920 after vaccination. Okay. So according to CDC, we've had just over 6,000 deaths after vaccination

00:41:12.500 of those deaths, 42 of them have been 17 and younger. That would actually be 0.5. Okay. I'm sorry,

00:41:21.960 0.7, 0.7% of them. That's like a 1300% difference between 0.05 and 0.07. Right.

00:41:30.700 There's a 1300% difference between those who have died with COVID that are minors compared to,

00:41:36.760 compared to, or 1300% less that have died with COVID as minors compared to those who have died

00:41:42.420 after vaccination as minors. That's, I have got, you know, two minors now. One of them is an adult.

00:41:49.180 She's moved out. I'm not taking that risk with that math on my kids. Well, Steve,

00:41:54.020 they could spread it to others. Every study we have done of this. That's why schools everywhere

00:41:58.160 in the world were open way before ours were. All right. The UK has had one of the worst lockdowns

00:42:03.020 in the country. They're not for masking the kids in school. Like we're still fighting about here in

00:42:07.100 the U S every study that has been shown of this has shown that children are not either,

00:42:12.000 not either primary victims of, or vectors for the virus. Now with increasing variants, could that,

00:42:19.660 which are mutations, could that change? Of course it could, but the data shows now that there is no

00:42:25.960 science whatsoever behind masking children. In fact, you're harming their immune systems,

00:42:30.260 probably long-term. You're not saving anybody. Again, that's a total teacher union virtue signal.

00:42:35.060 And there's really no issue, no reason whatsoever to mandate vaccinations for children either looking

00:42:41.140 at the data, because here's the thing we don't know here. Here's, here's the great gambit we have

00:42:45.740 Ali. Here's the reality of the situation. And I think when your country has become detached from God

00:42:51.780 and, and, and believes human nature is basically good, it really thinks perfect operate, perfect

00:42:58.320 solutions and outcomes are achievable. And they're just not in a fallen world. Here's the gamble.

00:43:03.280 We're all taking this gamble. All right. We don't know really what the 20 to 30 year impact is of

00:43:09.540 an asymptomatic infection of COVID. We don't know the answer to that. We don't know because we've

00:43:15.300 been aware of this right now. We can trace this virus back to the fall of 2019 in several countries.

00:43:20.060 Okay. So we don't know what this will do to mortality, to development, you know, to reproductive

00:43:27.300 health. We don't know. Here's the other thing we don't know. We don't know what the 20 to 30 year

00:43:32.940 impact is of taking this experimental technology into your body either. We don't know that either.

00:43:39.380 Everybody, whether they get these vaccines or not, everybody's taking a risk. Everybody is.

00:43:44.460 Either way. Yeah.

00:43:45.440 Either way. That should increase mercy, grace, and empathy in our culture.

00:43:50.520 Unfortunately, it's driving the wedge deeper because it's being seen as why won't, why are you

00:43:56.020 the guy getting out of line to give your baby into the fire to Molech? If you do that, we'll lose our 1.00

00:44:00.860 crops this fall. Don't do that. Stay. Why are you the one, why do you get to defy the state and I

00:44:05.320 don't? See, we've just eradicated matters of conscience in our culture whatsoever. Well, Steve,

00:44:10.500 we mandated smallpox. Smallpox was 15,000% worse killer than COVID. 15,000%. One of the worst killers

00:44:19.500 in human history. We've got smallpox records going back to the Sumerians longer than we had written

00:44:25.140 language on this planet. All right. It's not the same thing. It's not the same risk level

00:44:29.600 at all whatsoever because we don't know what the long-term impact of either the vaccines or even

00:44:35.900 an asymptomatic infection are. We should be using that to draw on empathy more in our country.

00:44:43.160 Unfortunately, it's working the other way around.

00:44:45.740 Yeah. Well, that's what we've seen for the past year or so is that COVID deaths are the only deaths

00:44:51.040 that matter to those people. The fact that more kids have died by suicide over the past couple of

00:44:57.200 years than COVID doesn't matter to them. The deaths by suicide induced by isolation because of so-called

00:45:03.400 virtual learning, that doesn't matter. Other kinds of deaths don't actually matter. Other kinds of

00:45:10.100 anxieties and risks that come with anything other than COVID, they just don't matter. Because of what

00:45:16.220 you said, all of the COVID so-called protections are seen as forms of virtue and the only forms

00:45:24.000 of virtue. Or utopian solutions. Yes.

00:45:26.400 Right. Okay. One more thing that I wanted to ask you about. I saw that you tweet about this.

00:45:32.700 Something about the tests. Now the CDC is saying, okay, we want you to start testing with these tests

00:45:39.400 that can differentiate between the flu and COVID. Wait, so what? So you're telling me the tests so far

00:45:45.860 haven't been able to differentiate between the flu and COVID? What's that about?

00:45:50.680 So we've had this great mystery in the last year, what happened to the flu? And they'll tell you what

00:45:54.220 we've been masking up. Well, masks didn't stop the transmission of COVID. So why would they stop the

00:45:58.700 transmission of flu? Okay. So what happened to the flu? More than likely what happened here is what is

00:46:03.480 called viral interference or the idea that a superior strain showed up and essentially took over

00:46:09.900 what timber, fresh timber was available to be infected within a herd. And that has canceled out

00:46:16.320 the inferior strain. CDC is suspected. However, CDC has not said that, Ali. They've not, they don't want

00:46:23.180 to acknowledge viral interference. They don't want, see what's going on with the rise in cases, by the

00:46:27.060 way, is almost the exact same epidemiological curve we saw at this time last summer in the exact same

00:46:31.120 places, seasonality. They don't want to acknowledge viral interference and they don't want to acknowledge

00:46:35.300 seasonality because then we'd start have to, we'd have to start acknowledging natural laws of

00:46:40.020 immunology, biology, virology, and that takes all their power away. Okay. And so they, they don't

00:46:45.960 have an explanation for why flu disappeared last year. Just, just completely gone. Uh, and by the way,

00:46:52.920 this went on in Sweden too, where they don't mask, they didn't do lockdowns. The flu disappeared in

00:46:57.960 Sweden too, which is further evidence of viral interference. And so now they've quietly asked the PCR,

00:47:04.060 the molecular labs that, that translate your PCR test for you. They've quietly asked them to make

00:47:08.880 sure that they have what are called multi-array, uh, analysis or procedures, meaning they can, they

00:47:15.140 can screen for both flu and COVID at the same time, because they're tacitly admitting that with COVID

00:47:21.160 weakening and the death rate in the country indicates that COVID and the mutations indicate that

00:47:25.760 COVID is actually weakening, that they suspect that with COVID weakening, we'll see more flu. And therefore we

00:47:31.920 need a better job of knowing what is flu and what is COVID. This of course begs a lot of questions.

00:47:37.820 What, well, what does that say about the testing we did last year? If they have no answers, should we

00:47:42.860 just automatically assume then that they, they couldn't do this or, or they couldn't do this in

00:47:47.220 some places and maybe in others they could. And here's why this matters. If we all just agreed by

00:47:53.000 the metric that the original metric of shutdowns, that we have to make sure we don't overrun the

00:47:58.300 hospitals, right? That was the, that was the original metric. If we just went by that, this

00:48:02.920 would not be really that big of a deal. But the problem is we haven't just gone by that. Whatever

00:48:08.060 metric just pushes the narrative further. So cases, cases, cases, cases, cases, cases. Well, what if the

00:48:14.180 cases are predominantly healthy people? What if the cases are predominantly, uh, asymptomatic,

00:48:18.240 right? So if, if, if, if the metric is cases of, of whether, you know, how much of our lives we're

00:48:23.860 allowed to have, then this is a very big story that needs further investigation. If the metric

00:48:28.260 is deaths and hospitalizations, which is what it was originally, then it's really not that big of

00:48:32.940 a story. And you probably give them mercy and say, Hey, COVID was on the horizon. We had to prioritize

00:48:37.540 that right away. So it's not, you know, we know what to do against a flu. We didn't know what to do

00:48:41.560 against this. This again, goes back to the loss of empathy in our culture because of a loss of trust.

00:48:48.900 There is no trust any longer really in any singular institution in America whatsoever.

00:48:54.800 And, and I don't see that improving anytime soon. Well, there are many other things that I would love

00:49:00.420 to ask you. I'll have to have you back on to talk about these, um, these issues, but thank you so much.

00:49:05.720 Thank you so much for adding so much clarity and insight for us into all of this. Anytime. Appreciate

00:49:10.400 it. Thank you very much.

00:49:18.900 All right, guys. So I know that that can be a little bit anxiety inducing, but what we're seeing

00:49:26.800 around the world is that people are rising up about this stuff. Like we don't want anyone to

00:49:31.340 die from COVID. Like we do want to take precautions. Of course we want to protect the most vulnerable,

00:49:37.000 but we've also done that in a lot of ways over the past year and a half. And we've been very

00:49:42.000 successful. I mean, with a lot of different failures in doing that. And now is the time where

00:49:46.220 people get to make their choices. Like we cannot ruin people's lives and livelihoods again. That

00:49:51.560 matters. Like if we have compassion, if we have empathy, which seems to be like the cardinal value

00:49:58.460 and virtue that we're supposed to be holding onto, then we don't only care about one threat to people's

00:50:06.160 lives. Like there are a lot of threats that people face every day that, um, we have to care about and

00:50:12.740 that we also have to focus on. And we also have to realize like that our goal, our main responsibility

00:50:18.140 as Christians is to love the Lord, our God, with all of our heart, mind, soul, and strength to love

00:50:22.580 our neighbor as ourselves. That looks like a lot of different things on a daily basis. And you are

00:50:28.080 not selfish for wanting to protect you and your family and to be able to continue to provide for

00:50:32.840 you and your family, to want to continue to live in community and fellowship with other people.

00:50:36.640 All of these things are absolutely necessary for, um, for a healthy life, for a thriving life.

00:50:43.580 And so do not feel guilty for caring about those things. Don't feel guilty for questioning. Um,

00:50:48.360 a lot of the things that we're hearing from our so-called scientific institutions, that is,

00:50:52.800 that is why God gave you the mental, uh, the mental faculties that you have, the mental capacity to be

00:50:59.080 able to pick things apart. That's what science actually is, is asking questions. Now, I'm not telling

00:51:03.680 you to be a conspiracy theorist and to go down rabbit holes and to believe things that random

00:51:07.560 Joe Schmo on the internet is telling you about the vaccine. I've already said that the vaccine

00:51:11.680 is not the mark of the beast. That is bad theology. Um, and I also don't think that it's a lot of these

00:51:18.600 terrible things that some, you know, conspiracy theorists are saying that it is. I just think

00:51:22.880 it's your choice. I think it's your choice when it comes to the risk that we have and the cost-benefit

00:51:27.760 analysis that a lot of people have to do on their own. Um, yeah, I just think that at this point,

00:51:34.300 you have the freedom to make those choices and that the government absolutely needs to, um,

00:51:40.300 respect that. And unfortunately it's just being used as another way to divide the country and to

00:51:45.220 hate people who don't think like you and make the same choices that you do. And that's really

00:51:48.880 unfortunate. And as Christians, we absolutely have to resist that kind of, um, that kind of fear

00:51:55.280 mongering and, uh, that kind of division. And so we continue to allow our goal in everything that we

00:52:03.000 do to be, to glorify God as much as we possibly can. And that's where our peace comes from as well,

00:52:09.220 that at the end of our lives, like we are going to be looking for that good and faithful servant

00:52:15.620 commendation. It's not going to be based on whether or not we, uh, very closely followed the guidance of,

00:52:23.560 uh, Dr. Anthony Fauci, thank goodness, or you would be changing your mind and your behavior every day

00:52:28.560 based on his back and forth. Um, all right, that's all I've got time for today. We will see you back

00:52:33.620 here tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - July 28, 2021

Ep 461 ｜ Nope, We Are Not Masking Up & Locking Down Again ｜ Guest： Steve Deace

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