Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 463 ｜ It's Time to Push Back (While We Still Can)

00:00:00.000 hey guys welcome to relatable hope everyone is having a great day a great week so far today

00:00:15.320 we've got a treat for you we've got um a little known up-and-coming commentator that you've

00:00:22.220 probably never heard of before his name is ben shapiro and i just feel i just feel fortunate

00:00:28.760 enough to you know share my platform with him in the hope that he his star will will rise um so i'm

00:00:35.840 super excited for you to listen to this conversation he's got a lot of wisdom for us he's got a new book

00:00:40.560 out and he really articulates so well the moment that we're in and the obligation that all of us

00:00:46.480 have as freedom loving americans and i think especially as christians to speak up for our

00:00:52.960 rights to speak up for liberty and to stand for the future of this country which really is

00:00:57.700 without hyperbole at stake right now so he's going to talk to us um all about that and um i have a few

00:01:06.120 minutes or maybe a couple minutes um to talk to you about something else at the end of this episode

00:01:11.600 but uh for now without further ado here is ben shapiro

00:01:16.780 ben thank you so much for joining us um listening to your recent episodes looking at your recent tweets

00:01:29.980 i feel that one thing that you have really been trying to make clear is that you are a proponent of

00:01:38.120 not taking the vaccine or any vaccines is that correct you're one of the most infamous anti-vaxxers

00:01:44.760 do i have that information right it totally right i mean so i believe the daily beast printed a piece

00:01:51.180 where they suggested that and i forced them to retract it and then there was a piece in the week

00:01:54.680 where they said that and then i also forced them to retract that as you know and have known for a long

00:01:58.780 time i'm like the most pro-vaccination guy on the right i've been really pro-vaccination

00:02:02.920 long before covid oh i'm so glad that you corrected that because i told everyone before you got on that

00:02:08.280 you said that it was the mark of the beast so that's not right yeah that's not right listen i'm

00:02:13.300 just happy to be honestly like i'm just happy to be microchips i'm kidnapped bill gates knows where

00:02:17.600 i am now so we're good yes and you're magnetic and all that i don't know what superpower that gives

00:02:21.980 us i heard that when you get vaccinated you're magnetic too so um that's pretty cool in the dark

00:02:28.960 wow wow so that's why you're so pro-vaccine that makes sense um okay let's let's talk about

00:02:35.400 vaccine for just a second i know you've been talking about it a lot but i get questions about

00:02:39.160 this every day uh from people saying okay you know i've done i've done the calculations for me for my

00:02:45.340 family don't want to get the vaccine some people are saying and yet they're mandating it at my work

00:02:50.840 or i'm a federal employee and i don't know what to do i mean what do you tell those people i know

00:02:55.520 you want them to get vaccinated but say they don't want to um what's your advice for those people

00:03:01.500 so i mean if you don't want to get vaccinated it's still a free country and that means that you

00:03:07.040 know you can push back against your employer the truth is your employer does have a broad level of

00:03:12.980 legal protection in making you get vaccinated i mean that's just the truth of private employment

00:03:17.800 in the united states it's also true under public health statutes there's not a lot you can do legally

00:03:21.920 speaking yeah but if you choose not to get a vaccine certainly i think you should be able to make

00:03:27.180 that sort of choice and frankly you know at my company we don't mandate that everybody get a

00:03:32.040 vaccine because you're an adult and one of the beautiful things about the vaccines that they're

00:03:35.440 so effective that now that i'm vaccinated frankly it's none of my business whether you're vaccinated

00:03:39.820 at this point and if you get covid and you get seriously ill that one's on you frankly you're you're

00:03:45.380 an individual human being you have the capacity to make your own decisions i think that if you're above

00:03:49.400 a certain age it is very very stupid not to get vaccinated i think that if you're below a certain age i think

00:03:54.240 that it's more of a question but you know everybody is an individual you all get to make your own decisions

00:03:58.380 and i can't live your life for you what do you make of a lot of the messaging that we are seeing

00:04:02.480 that seems to actually disincentivize people uh to get the vaccine people who are already hesitant

00:04:08.340 but maybe maybe they were thinking about getting it but then they saw the cdc saying you know

00:04:12.580 we're only a few variants away from the vaccine not working and they're like well why the heck would

00:04:17.280 i why the heck would i even get it what's with the back and forth and the waffling from people

00:04:22.740 who say that everyone absolutely has to get vaccinated they're insane they're insane the

00:04:27.320 public health bureaucracy is completely out of its mind yeah the latest advice which is that

00:04:31.860 vaccinated people are supposed to mask up is predicated on such abject nonsense that it makes

00:04:36.600 the head spin i mean the washington post had an entire piece today talking about how they haven't

00:04:41.200 presented no data the cdc has presented no data and now even the washington post is asking questions

00:04:45.820 about that so you know what i frequently like to do when i'm looking for data on the efficacy of the

00:04:51.000 vaccines as i go to this place called the cdc and then i look at their actual stats and you know

00:04:55.400 what those stats show me they show me that of the 161 million people who have been vaccinated in the

00:04:59.460 united states a grand total of less than 6 000 have been hospitalized with covid related symptoms and

00:05:05.460 many many fewer have died which means that if you get the vaccine your chances of ending up in the

00:05:09.680 hospital with covid are something like one in 27 223 last time i checked that those are not bad odds

00:05:16.600 right i mean the the risk factors are wildly lowered and and beyond that why am i supposed

00:05:22.420 to mask up in order to protect a bunch of people who have the option to get vaccinated at any point

00:05:27.340 why am i supposed to mask my kids in order to make that happen for people who choose not to get

00:05:31.240 vaccinated in fact the message should be pretty simple the vaccines are very effective if you choose

00:05:35.480 not to get the vaccine that's your choice you can live with that but nobody is going to baby you

00:05:39.100 and no one is going to protect you from getting covid with from the highly infectious delta variant

00:05:44.300 because you don't wish to get the vaccine that would be an incentive for people to actually go

00:05:49.460 out and get the vaccine at this point but the cdc is just like and what they're saying about the

00:05:53.060 vaccine too is just not rooted in data so for example rochelle walensky the head of the cdc

00:05:57.500 she said on national tv yesterday that the reason that vaccinated people ought to mask up when they go

00:06:02.640 into public places is because out of every 20 people who have the vaccine maybe one or two of those

00:06:08.960 people are going to get a breakthrough case that's just a lie it's not true the cdc itself says that

00:06:14.940 the rate of breakthrough cases symptomatic breakthrough cases in the united states for

00:06:19.480 the vaccinated is not one in ten which would be ten percent it's not two in ten certainly which would

00:06:25.100 be twenty percent the rate is point zero nine eight percent which is approximately one in every

00:06:30.580 ten thousand people get vaccinated will get some sort of breakthrough case that's symptomatic

00:06:33.580 according to the cdc so they're actually down talking the vaccine like i'm much more pro-vaccine

00:06:39.140 than the cdc or the nih it's unbelievable which is so bizarre because you can't simultaneously bully

00:06:44.560 people into getting something that maybe they don't want to get and tell them well it might not be worth

00:06:48.780 actually getting it that just doesn't make sense it's almost like they don't want those people to

00:06:52.880 get the vaccine so they can continue making this some kind of political thing i mean headline after

00:06:58.400 headline says it's only white evangelical calvinist trump supporters that are not getting the vaccine

00:07:04.920 when that's not even true it's almost like they want to keep writing those headlines and so they're

00:07:10.140 encouraging people at least implicitly not to get the vaccine i don't know that seems like a conspiracy

00:07:15.440 theory but i'm just trying to make sense of all of that no i agree with you i mean i think that if you

00:07:20.000 wish to convince somebody to get the vaccine and i like i convinced somebody in my personal life to get

00:07:24.120 the vaccine yesterday a 63 year old guy he hadn't gotten the vaccine and i said well why haven't you

00:07:27.880 gotten the vaccine and he said well i feel like i'm going to wait a year and see what the long-term

00:07:31.100 effects are i said well in that year there's a good shot that you're going to get infected here

00:07:34.260 are your risk factors right he gave me sort of his health so here are your risk factors your odds of

00:07:38.060 dying from covet are significantly higher than any of the risk factors we're currently talking about

00:07:41.700 with regard to the vaccine and now you make your own risk assessment right you're going to say here's

00:07:45.500 the risk here's the reward and he went he got the vaccine the way that the public health

00:07:49.680 establishment talks to people is not this they're not like let me give you all the information let me

00:07:53.540 explain to you right why your risk of getting sick from the vaccine in a serious way is lower

00:07:57.740 than your risk of getting sick in a serious way from covet based on age stratification and prior

00:08:01.900 health condition instead of treating people like rational human beings instead they just want to

00:08:05.760 yell at you and what that says to me is not that they want to get people vaccinated at this point

00:08:09.380 is that they wish to yell at people they wish to say that that you are stupid i mean literally nancy

00:08:14.700 pelosi says this that you're a moron you're an idiot if you don't get the vaccine and we're just

00:08:18.400 going to yell at you well you're not convincing anybody by doing any of that all you're really doing

00:08:21.980 is creating a group of of un-persons who don't really even deserve the vaccine frankly i have to

00:08:27.720 say i'm amused highly amused by there are a bunch of people on the left who are now saying things like

00:08:31.420 well you know if you don't get the vaccine and then you get sick from covid we shouldn't cover your

00:08:35.220 medical bills yeah and i thought welcome to the privatized medical system that we have all been

00:08:39.360 arguing for in which you own your own health here on the right like right welcome to the libertarian

00:08:43.900 right gang but they only become libertarians when it comes to people who they hate apparently

00:08:47.260 yeah let's talk about a little bit more about i mean maybe it has a connection to libertarianism

00:08:52.460 we'll get into that in just a second but talking about all of this and just the incompetence of the

00:08:56.620 government and the left's hypocrisy i want to transition into talking about um your book uh can

00:09:02.560 you tell us what it is why you wrote it especially at a time like this when people are talking a lot

00:09:07.740 about authoritarianism so on the left the story goes like this january 6th was the high point of

00:09:13.380 authoritarianism in modern american history the true authoritarian authoritarian threat to the

00:09:18.020 country came from trump and his band of 75 million droogs who are going to overthrow democracy and all

00:09:24.120 of this and that's just not the lived reality of americans okay the real authoritarian threat to the

00:09:29.660 country right now is largely coming in the form of non-governmental sources it's coming from the

00:09:33.500 takeover of every major institution and the weaponization of those institutions against you and

00:09:38.140 yeah some of that is happening within the government like with mask mandates but a huge percentage of this

00:09:41.800 is happening when your corporation tells you if you don't post a black square you're going to get

00:09:45.280 fired or when your educational establishments are trying to indoctrinate your kids with critical race

00:09:49.940 theory and then they yell at you and they try to other you if you say i don't want you doing that

00:09:54.140 or when the scientific institutions declare completely anti-scientific conclusions like that men

00:09:59.760 can be women and women can be men and if you disagree with this then you are then you are treated as

00:10:04.000 outside the realm of rational debate americans feel this by polling data nearly every political group in the

00:10:09.480 united states with the exception of the radical left feels they can't say what they want to say in

00:10:13.280 public for fear of blowback we are living in in a moment where everyone is at risk of being declared

00:10:19.500 outside the overton window at any given time and then essentially turned into a wanderer within society

00:10:24.840 wished out into the cornfield that's a dangerous thing it will bleed up into government policy you're

00:10:28.800 seeing the country basically polarize because the radical left has taken what were neutral institutions

00:10:34.780 and now turned them into weapons for itself do you think that it's been too much too fast that

00:10:50.340 they've tried to do too much too fast on the left and that there's going to be a significant backlash

00:10:56.060 on the right either by people just resisting you know within the private sphere or um come midterms

00:11:02.240 do you see that or do you see you know a lot of complacency so that the left can just keep on

00:11:08.700 dominating i think the apathy and the complacency are fading away pretty quickly uh and i'm pretty

00:11:14.580 excited about that i think that the pushback on critical race theory is just one symptom of that

00:11:18.920 the pushback on defund the police is another symptom of that uh and a lot of us who consider

00:11:24.920 ourself you know fairly libertarian when it comes to governmental policy a lot of us are beginning to

00:11:29.780 say well listen if you guys are going to weaponize the institutions this way we better come up with

00:11:33.780 some solutions other than sit here and fret right and those solutions may involve retaliatory boycotts

00:11:39.060 and mutually assured destruction some of those solutions may involve starting our own businesses

00:11:43.180 that cater to the neutral and cater to the other side of the aisle and some of those solutions may

00:11:47.280 actually be legal in nature you might have to for example pass state laws that bar the teaching

00:11:51.480 of praxis critical race theory you might have to pass state laws or federal laws that curb

00:11:57.220 section 230 of the communications decency act if all of these organizations are going to be turned

00:12:01.280 into arms of the federal government restricting freedom of speech you know you got to be very

00:12:05.640 careful with this sort of stuff obviously you never want to grant more power to the government that can

00:12:08.820 then be used against you but i think that the blowback is coming and it's going to be pretty strong

00:12:12.520 the left for a long time has relied on the sort of apathy and and cowardice of the people in the

00:12:17.960 middle you know people basically saying well you know if we just give them this little thing

00:12:21.280 they'll probably leave us alone i think that inclination has been drilled out of a lot of americans by this point

00:12:26.140 yeah you know i used to be kind of tepid when people would ask me okay do i say something to

00:12:30.280 my employer about this training that i don't agree with or do i speak up in class and you know it's

00:12:35.520 hard to give people specific advice because you don't know their particular situation but you know

00:12:40.800 i feel like a few years ago conservatives were saying you know you have to be really careful about

00:12:44.500 that if you just need to get the good grade get the good grade and don't say anything but now it

00:12:48.480 seems like it's a different moment where really the risk of not speaking up seems to be

00:12:53.780 bigger than the risk of speaking up um do you think that you've kind of shifted on that for

00:12:59.540 people who are saying okay do i say something do i stand up do i talk to my school board i'm scared

00:13:04.000 of backlash i'm scared of being doxxed what do you say to those people like is the moment now for

00:13:08.740 people to finally speak up so i think that one of the important things to do here is to act

00:13:14.240 collectively right the right doesn't like to act collectively so i i still say to individual

00:13:18.720 students you're in a class with a professor the professor hates your guts they're going to give you an

00:13:21.840 f you're not going to change any mind so why do you write on the final what you want to write there's

00:13:25.620 really no point in doing that to give the professor what they want speak up in class if you can convince

00:13:29.420 other students that's fine right it's always ends driven i would say as opposed to just you know

00:13:34.660 running directly into the into the face of the uh into the directly into the face of a fire that's

00:13:40.160 likely to burn you there there is something tactical here but when it comes to for example the

00:13:44.580 corporate world i think that is very important you're unlikely to succeed if you just write an

00:13:48.740 individual email to your boss saying this critical race theory nonsense is nonsense you're much more

00:13:52.960 likely to succeed if you go to 10 20 percent of the employees of the company and you have them all sign

00:13:57.840 a letter saying we're not doing this because this is what the left has done right the left doesn't

00:14:01.080 doesn't act alone it's not one lefty writing a pissed off email to a professor it's it's the entire

00:14:06.560 left mobilizing as a group and what we've seen from the left and it's been very successful

00:14:10.520 is the process of what what i term renormalization in the book it's not my term it's a term

00:14:15.660 has been used in social science 20 percent of any organization if they are intransigent and

00:14:20.460 aggressive and loud can shift the other 80 percent of an organization so long as they refuse to budge

00:14:26.020 but it takes 20 you can't be the only person in the room yeah so you have to start by convincing

00:14:29.980 other people or being the first person to speak up at least in private conversation like with fellow

00:14:35.560 students or employees just to see if you can get kind of a coalition of people to speak up about

00:14:40.680 this kind of thing um you've talked about libertarian or you've uh mentioned libertarianism

00:14:45.680 a couple times in this conversation and there seems to be a debate right now within conservatism

00:14:49.960 about the future of conservatism especially with that whole tp usa brandy love thing a lot of people

00:14:55.140 were talking about okay is there a moral a necessary moral biblical component to conservatism or is it

00:15:02.600 really just this kind of libertarian live and let live small government people just do what they want

00:15:08.380 to um i think i know where you land on that but can you explain your position and um what you think

00:15:14.760 the position of most conservatives actually is on that so i think that the answer is the conservative

00:15:20.000 position is kind of a combo uh i think that on the one hand i don't think that there are tons of

00:15:25.220 conservatives who believe that every conservative value needs to be enshrined in law and then rammed down

00:15:29.360 right by the top levels of the federal government at the same time i don't think that there are a lot

00:15:32.700 of conservatives and libertarians even who believe that their local communities ought to be governed

00:15:36.660 by a porn shop goes next door right so i think that there is uh some some complexity to this i think

00:15:42.700 that the closer you are to the local level the more you probably want the local and state government

00:15:47.800 that reflects a more homogenous community reflecting your values and i don't think there's anything

00:15:51.900 wrong with that that's why we have a federalist system the founders contemplated explicitly this

00:15:55.720 they wanted a fairly weak centralized federal government but state and local governments were

00:15:59.860 expected to engage in a lot more of this sort of stuff that's actually been a fairly consistent

00:16:04.120 position of mine for quite a while you know again i live in a community i want my community to be

00:16:08.960 governed by certain rules that make it easier for me to raise my child but if you're going to

00:16:12.280 acknowledge that we are a country of 330 million people and if you'd like that country to remain

00:16:16.220 together you're also going to have to recognize that san francisco is not going to be governed very

00:16:19.940 much like birmingham alabama and that's got to be something you're okay with aside from certain

00:16:23.760 sort of basic fundamental precepts like freedom of speech uh i think one area obviously where this

00:16:29.320 comes to the fore is in the protection of the unborn which i think ought to be a federal issue

00:16:32.740 because that is an issue of literally life and death uh as far as i think one other distinction

00:16:37.340 needs to be made here and that is the distinction between libertarianism on a governmental level and

00:16:41.240 libertarianism on a cultural level so i've never been a cultural libertarian i'm i'm i tend toward

00:16:47.000 governmental libertarianism the bigger you're talking about the more centralized government more

00:16:51.740 federalized government you're talking about i tend to be more libertarian because i think the

00:16:55.420 federal government cramming down one set of rules that's very unlikely to end up in a conservative

00:16:59.180 direction it seems to usually cut in the in the opposite direction so for both pragmatic and

00:17:03.440 ideological reasons i think that's a problem um but when it comes to cultural libertarianism

00:17:07.820 there i'm i'm very much against it so i think that most of the major institutions in our society

00:17:13.360 that vitiate the the problems of libertarianism are conservative institutions i think the failures

00:17:19.940 of governmental libertarianism can mainly be laid at the death of social institutions meaning

00:17:25.280 as churches decline as people start acting in less virtuous ways as people stop having local

00:17:31.000 communities to whom they are answerable uh then you do need more government compulsion at the top

00:17:35.320 level and so i'm not ready to surrender in the social sphere yet i think what i see from some

00:17:39.080 nationalist conservatives is this okay you're right the social institutions have declined they're

00:17:42.740 not coming back unless we use the federal government in order to compel and i just don't think that

00:17:46.840 that's a successful strategy i think the rebuilding of social institutions has to be done ground up not top

00:17:50.980 down yeah so do you fear um what seems to be like a growing populist faction among conservatives um

00:18:01.220 especially those that maybe are economically to the left they're still socially conservative and they do

00:18:06.800 believe in harnessing the power of the federal government to kind of do what conservatives want it to do

00:18:13.160 the view of economics on of some of the nationalist populist sort of right uh i think is is wrongheaded

00:18:19.560 and i think that it fails to acknowledge what markets are so whenever i hear people talk about

00:18:23.300 you know we don't have to organize markets in this way or the market works for us we don't work for

00:18:28.400 the market i think that's a fundamental failure to understand what free markets are which are a

00:18:33.120 an acknowledgement that you are an individual rational human being capable of running your own

00:18:37.380 affairs uh the markets are an outgrowth of individual rights markets are not a way of of in utopian

00:18:44.400 fashion shaping the society that you wish to see and so you either recognize that you have a right to

00:18:49.380 property like a fundamental right to the things that you create and right to alienate that property

00:18:54.320 to sell it or to rent it or you don't and if you believe that the community's right to invade your

00:19:00.140 right to property is that great yeah i think that it has some really negative correlative effects i think

00:19:06.580 that that's true whether the right or the left runs it uh frankly i think that all of the great

00:19:10.360 benefits of capitalism uh which has been linked pretty generously to human rights over the past couple

00:19:15.860 of centuries all of the great benefits of capitalism both economically speaking and in terms of human

00:19:20.180 rights go by the wayside if you fail to recognize those fundamental individual rights that undergird the

00:19:25.240 free market in the first place yeah yeah something that you talk about in your book and the introduction

00:19:31.180 actually that i thought was really interesting is you uh you talk about ancient israelites and how

00:19:37.840 they wanted a king they didn't want god as their king they wanted a judge they wanted a warrior king to

00:19:43.940 kind of go before them and help them fight their battles um and within that uh the lord said you

00:19:50.560 know you've rejected god you get what you want do you see today and really just throughout modern

00:19:56.060 history a correlation between godlessness in a nation and the rise of authoritarianism and if so

00:20:03.160 why do you think that is i mean that's certainly true in the modern era for sure for sure and the

00:20:07.400 reason is because human beings have a need to feel like they're in control of the world and if you

00:20:12.020 don't feel like god is in control of the world then it is now incumbent on you and the people around

00:20:16.760 you to control the world around you and the only way you can control people around you is by having

00:20:20.380 a centralized power that can cram down some form of order on society so that that sort of god-shaped

00:20:26.060 hole in the human heart is going to be filled by something very often it's filled by i need a a thing

00:20:31.140 with god-like powers in order to make sure that other people do what i want them to do i don't think

00:20:36.600 it's any coincidence at all that the most authoritarian regimes tend to be the most atheistic

00:20:40.940 regimes again if you recognize that god is in control of the universe in the end that's more

00:20:45.540 likely to lead you to also believe that human beings are made in the image of god with individual

00:20:49.600 rights i mean this all springs from genesis if you don't believe that there is something beyond you

00:20:54.340 with a different set of morals than you by the way that that is in control of what is going on

00:20:58.880 generally speaking then you're more likely to want to grip things very tight and then put somebody in

00:21:02.760 charge of of that sort of power who agrees with you yeah you dedicated this book to your kids which

00:21:08.200 i really appreciate because i think that's what you articulated just in the in the beginning of the

00:21:13.140 book is uh the concern that a lot of parents have that our kids aren't going to grow up um in a free

00:21:18.640 country or in a country that uh is as free as the one that we grew up in can you give us um a pessimistic

00:21:26.760 look of the next 20 to 25 years if the left gets its way and the right doesn't do anything about it

00:21:33.920 and then can you give us a more positive look of what the next 25 plus years could look like

00:21:39.220 if things swing in the other direction so the pessimistic view comes easily and naturally to me

00:21:44.540 so here's the pessimistic view of what things that look like over the next couple of decades

00:21:47.820 uh you start to see cram downs at the state level particularly in blue states in which cps shows up at

00:21:53.380 your door if you don't teach the proper left-wing social values you've already started to see this

00:21:56.780 in places like canada you're seeing it occasionally in the united states your kid goes to school one

00:22:01.940 day your kid says i feel like a girl is a boy the teacher doesn't tell you the kid comes home and you

00:22:07.720 say well you know you're not a girl you're a boy and then your kid tells the teacher the teacher

00:22:12.320 sends cps to your house and removes the child from your home i think that we are moving in that

00:22:15.560 direction very very quickly i think that within the next five to ten years you're actually going to see

00:22:19.200 that sort of stuff occurring on a fairly common level uh in in places like california i think that

00:22:24.540 you're going to start seeing and you already have seen uh children being indoctrinated with the idea

00:22:29.040 that race is an essential characteristic and that they are guilty or or victimized by pure nature of

00:22:35.020 their race they're going to be indoctrinated in the idea that america's systems are bad and the only

00:22:39.300 way to rectify america's systems is to hand enormous power over to a centralized government to achieve

00:22:44.360 what uh what thomas hole called cosmic justice so you see major centralization of power in the

00:22:49.120 federal government the only kickback from this on a national scale is going to be at the state level

00:22:52.680 and then that's when the pedal hits the metal how hard is the federal government going to be willing

00:22:56.580 to push in order to effectuate these top-down mandates in order to effectuate california policy

00:23:01.300 on florida or texas or tennessee uh and and that's when things could really come to a head and what

00:23:06.700 you're likely to see is a sort of fractious eu style of governance in which states really do resist the

00:23:12.500 federal government it doesn't come down i think to physical war because i don't think anybody has

00:23:15.580 has taste for that or should um but the but it depends on what the federal government does so

00:23:19.680 that's the pessimistic version you know higher taxes stagnant economy on the on the economic

00:23:24.000 level because it takes a lot of money to pay for all of the sort of societal reshaping that the left

00:23:28.700 seeks much worse race relations uh the destruction of the nuclear family as we start to pretend that men

00:23:33.920 can be women and women can be men and children are are merely malleable widgets who get to

00:23:38.500 self-identify however they want that that is the ugly version of what society looks like in the next

00:23:42.820 20 25 years and the united states obviously losing its position as global leader on the basis of all

00:23:46.900 this because no nation can do this and then survive as the as the global leader the the more optimistic

00:23:51.460 version is that people come to their sentences and say to the woke left enough is enough and this

00:23:56.180 really relies on sort of centrist democrats moderate liberals to say we agree with the left on a lot of

00:24:01.920 fundamental kind of utopian notions but we are not willing to sacrifice individual rights free speech

00:24:08.420 open debate people raising their kids we're not willing to sacrifice those things on the altar of

00:24:13.200 utopia and so you get a pushback and states continue to resist you know the federal government's

00:24:18.420 encroachments and instead of the federal government responding by gripping tighter people at the federal

00:24:22.560 government level say okay well you know what maybe the only way we can live as a country is to allow

00:24:25.920 more devolution of authority down to the state or local level now that's the more optimistic version i don't

00:24:31.940 think that is entirely unplausible i think that that that pushback could definitely happen but i do think

00:24:36.680 that we are balanced right now on the razor's edge between one and the other yeah i absolutely think

00:24:41.000 that's true and we haven't even talked about the foreign powers at play we haven't even talked about

00:24:45.040 what china wants we haven't even talked about big tax and the major corporations and how they would

00:24:49.400 ever relinquish power there's just a lot that goes into all this i know a lot of people are anxious

00:24:53.220 about it but one of the things that they can do to fight back is bite your book so can you tell

00:24:58.220 people where they can buy it how they can support you and all that good stuff well you can head on over

00:25:02.640 to dailywire.com right now i believe we're still selling signed copies over there or head on over

00:25:06.320 to amazon or wherever books are sold before this book is banned go check out the authoritarian moment

00:25:11.680 available everywhere right now okay last question um cardi b has a new song out i'm guessing that you

00:25:18.320 know it you've memorized it i am looking forward to some kind of music video from you is that correct

00:25:23.400 i actually haven't seen the new cardi b song wow you're behind believe it or not this is not my

00:25:29.560 i mean despite my record as a platinum award-winning rap artist true i don't keep up on the trends with

00:25:35.700 the kids too often but i guess i will have to check it out because i have been reliably informed

00:25:39.800 that cardi b is the modern shakespeare and that her control of verbiage her extensive vocabulary her

00:25:47.420 incredible rhyming and also twerking skill mandate that every rational and thinking person take a look at

00:25:54.160 her work and take it very seriously yes not just a brilliant artist but also a moral example for us

00:25:59.340 all so thank you for reminding us of that i appreciate it and thanks so much for taking the

00:26:03.720 time to come on thanks ellie

00:26:05.880 all right guys hope you enjoyed that i know that you did i mean i could just listen to him talk all day

00:26:21.240 now you might have to put it on one half time in order to really understand what is being said but i just

00:26:27.900 always appreciate his wisdom and his insight so much um i am so continually amazed let me just say

00:26:37.480 this on the back of that conversation i'm amazed disappointed by um a lot of the evangelicals who

00:26:43.460 during the trump era felt that we were in an authoritarian moment and that they had to speak up

00:26:48.840 that they were obligated to stand for justice and stand for truth and speak truth to power and push

00:26:54.380 back against trumpism especially when it comes to immigration and some of the things that he said

00:26:59.160 who have literally nothing to say now who have nothing to say about abortion policy who have

00:27:04.820 nothing to say about the mistreatment of migrants at the border and the importation of thousands of

00:27:10.040 migrants from the border into the interior of the united states who have nothing to say about biden

00:27:15.960 policy uh that allows boys into girls locker rooms who have nothing to say about massive inflation that is

00:27:22.860 working as a tax on the middle class and it's further burdening people financially after we've had

00:27:28.520 one of the hardest economic uh seasons in american history who all of a sudden just don't care about

00:27:35.300 politics anymore they don't care about speaking truth to power they don't care about the things that

00:27:40.180 are going on they still only really care about politics in so far as they can criticize conservatives

00:27:47.000 and donald trump guys wake up wake up know where the threat is coming from when it comes to liberty

00:27:54.800 especially religious liberty when it comes to the people who want to attack the church i promise you

00:27:59.840 it's not coming from the right that doesn't mean there aren't heretics on the right that doesn't mean

00:28:03.660 that there aren't dangerous and um you know fallacious theologies on the right because there

00:28:09.860 absolutely are but the hatred and the angst and the desire for destruction of the church is coming from

00:28:16.700 the left now we know that jesus promised that the gates of hell will not prevail against the church

00:28:21.700 so i'm not worried about the actual destruction of the church but do i worry about the future that my

00:28:27.880 kids are going to walk into where there may not be religious liberty where there may not be the

00:28:33.140 constitutional rights that have made this country so great and have taken us from a country that

00:28:38.960 enslaved people to a country that now allows for equal opportunity and where people of all

00:28:46.180 backgrounds have been able to thrive yes i am worried about that and you should be concerned

00:28:51.600 about that too and the fact that you aren't means that you are just an opportunistic grifter who wanted

00:28:58.960 to i don't know go viral a few times for dunking on trump this is a lot bigger than trump i've always

00:29:06.120 said that that's that's why i didn't bother quite as much with constantly you know uh arguing about trump

00:29:15.120 not because i agreed with everything that he did and said but because this moment that we're in is

00:29:20.720 so much bigger than donald trump that talking about donald trump at this point is really just a

00:29:25.780 distraction from the overhaul of our country that is coming from the left um and so you just need to

00:29:33.300 wake up you need to open your eyes doesn't mean that you have to agree with the republican party on

00:29:37.460 everything um but you need to see where the threats are coming from i hope that this episode kind of

00:29:43.200 open your eyes to at least some of those things all right that's all we've got time for we will be

00:29:46.860 back here soon

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - August 02, 2021

Ep 463 ｜ It's Time to Push Back (While We Still Can) ｜ Guest： Ben Shapiro

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