Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 468 ｜ America’s Narcissism Problem & How to Fix It ｜ Guest： Matt Walsh

00:00:00.000 hey guys welcome to relatable hope everyone is having a wonderful day today i'm talking to

00:00:15.660 matt walsh and i am still like i i just filmed the interview so i film the interview and then

00:00:22.100 i come back and i do the introduction and i'm still like trying not to laugh because the end

00:00:27.380 of the interview just really made me laugh and i know you guys are going to enjoy it we talk about

00:00:31.960 all kinds of things we talk about governor cuomo resigning which happened i am shook f i am shocked

00:00:40.000 by that i am shocked and so matt walsh and i are going to talk about that we are going to talk

00:00:45.080 about simone biles his take on that also her saying on instagram that she is pro-choice um we are going

00:00:52.780 to talk about this trend of falsely accusing people of racism based on like these decontextualized

00:01:00.460 clips and how terrible and toxic it is for society we talk about some more philosophical theological

00:01:05.860 uh things as well we talk about this uh kid james younger who unfortunately his mom is pressuring him

00:01:12.740 to um be a girl she was awarded full custody so we're going to talk about a whole variety of things

00:01:18.260 and then the last subject is the one that made me laugh that i'm sure that you guys are going to

00:01:22.700 um enjoy so lots to cover lots of thoughts from matt walsh and without further ado here he is

00:01:31.220 matt thank you so much for joining us there's a few things i want to talk to you about today but

00:01:41.900 since this just happened as we're recording this andrew cuomo resigning i just want to get your

00:01:47.780 reaction to that saw you talking about it a few days ago on twitter but what's your reaction now

00:01:52.320 that it's actually happened well i guess the lesson for andrew cuomo is that you can kill

00:02:00.940 thousands of elderly people and that'll be okay but if you make uncomfortable comments to women

00:02:05.840 that's a bridge too far i mean that that is the lesson here because if he had not if it wasn't for

00:02:09.580 the sexual harassment scandal that that little detail about the mass slaughter that went on in new york

00:02:15.700 that would not have not that would not have brought him brought him down he survived that in fact he

00:02:18.960 thrived through that and it's this this is what takes him down so i don't know exactly how to feel

00:02:23.260 about that i don't like andrew cuomo obviously like any other conservative i don't like him and i'm and i

00:02:28.040 especially don't like him because of what he did in new york through covid but i don't know how this

00:02:33.800 reflects on our culture that this is what brings a politician down and not the other thing i know a lot

00:02:39.340 of conservatives would say well who cares he's going down one way or another and uh so i can

00:02:43.240 understand that i'm also worried about because i'm always looking at the i'm always finding the

00:02:47.380 dark cloud within the silver lining that's my gig so here's another dark cloud which is

00:02:51.100 um who who comes after him are we so sure that whoever replaces him right i don't know anything

00:02:56.240 about the lieutenant governor but um is she going to be better than than andrew cuomo in any in any way

00:03:02.440 i'm not sure i guess it needs to be seen well i think that's what i was wondering what's happened

00:03:06.580 over the past few days that he decided that he was going to resign there's got to be something

00:03:11.780 going on behind the scenes because like what's the upside for him like you said he survived and

00:03:16.540 thrived through what i think was the biggest scandal of the past year and a half for him

00:03:20.620 and now he crumbles because a few people and these are bad accusations i'm not saying that they're not

00:03:26.060 but because a few people accuse him of sexual harassment now he is stepping down really quickly i mean

00:03:32.980 it just makes me think that there's something going on there that there were reasons why people

00:03:39.080 didn't want him to be in power i don't know it's kind of conspiratorial it just seems a little fishy

00:03:43.900 to me don't you think yeah i'd say so there's also the question of why why did everyone everyone

00:03:50.020 on the left turn on him the media right um his fellow democrats they turned on him quickly i don't

00:03:55.320 i don't think we've ever i'm not gonna say ever but it's it's not often that we see something

00:03:59.180 like this a rise and fall this dramatic within a year because within one year i mean a year ago

00:04:03.780 or at least a year and a half ago he was being hailed as the hero of the pandemic he was beloved

00:04:09.360 at least by people on the left the media certainly loved him he got an emmy he got a multi-million

00:04:13.920 dollar book deal um and then he's at the the sort of his political heights and then he crashes down

00:04:19.460 and they all turn on him that's not the media doesn't often do that i mean usually they're gonna

00:04:23.340 either ignore something like this or they'll circle their wagons around their guy the democrats

00:04:28.980 generally do that they don't often um turn on their own like this which does which does get my

00:04:34.920 own conspiratorial yeah intent up a little bit it might be something as simple as uh he they started

00:04:40.900 to see him as a threat for 2024 and they don't think he should be the guy they want maybe camilla to be

00:04:45.840 the person and uh maybe that's maybe that's what he did wrong ultimately to uh to earn this i don't know

00:04:52.080 i thought about that too i was thinking about that a few months ago when it was heating up about what

00:04:57.200 he did with the nursing homes and then there was also kind of the beginning of talks of recall of

00:05:01.720 gavin newsom which is obviously going to happen and it made me think okay were these 2024 contenders

00:05:07.800 at the democratic party didn't want to get in the way of kamala now i don't know how true that is

00:05:12.400 because kamala is so unpopular i'm like surely they're not going to try to get her to run against

00:05:16.960 ron de santis but i mean who the heck knows so i was thinking about that conspiracy too but i do hate

00:05:22.880 that this kind of gives democrats a way to say look we hold our people accountable this is what

00:05:29.520 we do whereas the republicans don't care about integrity and their leaders at all we really care

00:05:35.100 about integrity um i've seen people kind of have that reaction and it just makes me roll my eyes

00:05:39.840 what do you think about that yeah yeah well that's i mean that's one thing on on the left is that

00:05:45.140 first of all they're all they're always on offense i think i think the right can learn something

00:05:49.180 from nothing that happens can ever prove them wrong or ever give them a reason to apologize or

00:05:54.840 to or to say oh we got that one wrong because these are the people that were hailing him as a hero

00:05:59.340 identifying themselves as cuomo sexuals and um and rather than saying oh we got an egg on our face on

00:06:05.260 that one that's embarrassing they're saying oh no this proves how great we are it's kind of like with

00:06:09.660 the you know the the olympic weightlifter the guy who uh well you you know you know all about that

00:06:15.520 yeah exactly and he he flunks out of the olympics and then the left rather than saying well this was

00:06:22.440 embarrassing they say oh no this this proves our case he didn't he didn't or rather she they would

00:06:27.000 say she didn't uh succeed so that proves that there's no problem here the right is making a

00:06:31.580 big deal out of nothing so they're always doing that and they they do that in this case um but but

00:06:36.800 of course i don't buy it at all they're very selective about who they decide to hold accountable

00:06:40.960 yeah and uh i guess the question why why was why did andrew cuomo draw the short six as far as that

00:06:46.540 goes i i guess maybe we'll never know exactly speaking of um holding accountable i want to

00:07:01.080 talk about a couple stories that have been circulating over the past couple weeks um there is as you've seen

00:07:08.720 a mob that likes to quote hold people accountable when they think that someone is being credibly

00:07:13.620 accused of racism so like you know the viral videos will come out without any context without

00:07:18.400 any proof whatsoever the person is deemed some kind of white supremacist and their life is ruined

00:07:22.500 that happens to this woman named um amy cooper and i'm sure you've seen maybe over the past couple

00:07:27.800 of days she did an interview with barry weiss where basically she gives some other details and there

00:07:32.360 are other people that corroborate the details that she she gave that shows that okay maybe she wasn't

00:07:38.000 like completely unjustified in calling the police on this guy who seemed to be maybe implicitly

00:07:44.040 threatening her dog i'm sure most people remember this story um and then there was this poor grandfather

00:07:49.660 at the rockies game i think it was last night who was saying dinger which is the the name of the

00:07:56.540 mascot who was then accused of saying the n-word and it was investigated you know by the mlb and the

00:08:02.460 rockies and they basically accused him of this thing that he did not do and never apologized for it

00:08:07.880 um i want to hear your take on this like this trend of accusing people of racism when we just don't

00:08:13.160 have any details and ruining their lives and no one saying sorry for it after i think part of the the

00:08:19.880 key here is that the the outrage mob they only care about getting the scalp they don't they don't

00:08:24.060 actually care this this each each person they go after this is why they're so ruthless about it and

00:08:29.940 it's also why by the way the apologies never work you know you start groveling and apologizing

00:08:34.180 you shouldn't do that number one because you should have more dignity and self-respect but also it's

00:08:38.620 not going to work it won't matter because it's not really about you it's it's almost like it's

00:08:42.900 nothing personal they're destroying your life because of what you represent to them which is uh you know

00:08:49.160 if it's if it's a racial thing then you're a representative of whiteness and and especially 0.91

00:08:53.520 a grandfather at the game with his with his grandkids with his family um that's a representative of

00:08:59.960 he's an old older guy he's white he's male so he's a representative of all those things and those

00:09:04.520 are all bad they say and so it doesn't matter if he actually said it or not because what they would

00:09:08.860 what they would say what they have been saying after it comes out that of course of course he

00:09:11.780 didn't say the n-word and that's the other quick aside here let's just have a some kind of accurate

00:09:18.060 understanding of human nature and what sorts of things people will actually do and not do what are

00:09:22.380 the what are the chances that some guy sitting in the front row of a baseball game would just

00:09:27.120 knowing he's on camera just start shouting the n-word at the top of his at the top of his uh

00:09:31.560 of his lungs for no reason what is he saying i'm gonna destroy i know what i'm gonna destroy my life 0.90

00:09:35.680 right now right at this baseball game just for the sake of the court of course he wasn't saying that

00:09:39.740 but um yeah after that comes out and you see some some uh people in the outrage mob their their

00:09:46.440 response is well he could have been saying it and people do say these things and so this is a

00:09:51.280 problem and whether or not he specifically actually said it doesn't matter because this is still a

00:09:55.600 systemic problem and so on and so forth and so they can continue you know throwing their stones

00:10:00.480 well when you when you watch the video and i'll back up a little bit just in case some people

00:10:04.620 didn't even know about this story you watch this video of this grandfather like you said sitting

00:10:09.100 there with i guess his wife and his grandkids trying to get the attention of the mascot to come

00:10:13.160 over and take a picture which i guess the the name is dinger someone caught it on camera they

00:10:18.520 showed it on social media people thought that it was um the n-word but if you look at the context

00:10:24.220 at all like look at the people that are standing around him no one is paying attention to what he's

00:10:28.700 saying do you think if this guy was really yelling the n-word at a black player everyone would just

00:10:34.860 be sitting there and being like oh yeah you know that's that's perfectly fine um no people would

00:10:39.700 obviously be freaking out about that there would have been some ruckus that was raised as he was

00:10:44.360 as he was yelling that but i mean there are a lot of people unfortunately especially on the left

00:10:49.040 who really do think there are just like flagrant white supremacists walking around who do that

00:10:55.940 kind of thing they think that kind of thing is very common and the statements that were put out

00:11:01.800 by both the mlb and the colorado rockies basically say that like the it was like um you know justice

00:11:10.600 and equality are just elusive in this day and age and this is just indicative of of where we are

00:11:16.080 it seems like these people live in a completely different reality than the rest of us and it

00:11:21.200 colors their judgment a lot yeah they do i mean this and this is they they they really do believe

00:11:27.920 now i think when we say they we have to stipulate a little bit because the people in positions of power

00:11:33.860 and influence in our culture the the race hustlers that are perpetuating a lot of this stuff i don't

00:11:38.900 think they actually buy it but uh many of the average you know people on social media um and

00:11:45.920 elsewhere they they that's what they believe about the country that they're living in and they've

00:11:50.740 been told this from a young age i mean kids now critical race theory in schools and everything

00:11:53.720 they're being indoctrinated into this belief system from a very young age and they really do

00:11:56.960 think they live in a in a country where you know because as you point out no he's shouting this

00:12:01.600 nobody even reacts to it and of course you and i as rational people we know that number one he's

00:12:05.700 not gonna start shouting that word even if he was the most flagrant racist in the world he's not

00:12:11.080 gonna do that right then and there in that context and just you know jump on a grenade and destroy his

00:12:15.940 life for the sake of it but also no one else is reacting like they would but i think people who

00:12:21.000 are delusional look at that and they say well you know this is so common that they the other people

00:12:26.780 there were probably also racist and it was the most normal thing in the world for them to be right

00:12:30.200 they're probably at their barbecues at their houses and just shouting the n-word recreationally

00:12:35.060 it's just what they do so of course they're not going to react to it um it's it's completely

00:12:39.460 deluded but that is the version of the world that they live in it's just a and it's it's sad in some

00:12:45.840 ways you know i feel super sad the worst for the targets of the outrage mob but i also do in some

00:12:51.320 ways feel a little sorry for some of the people in that mob but they live such a miserable and fear

00:12:55.580 driven life that this is the kind of world they think they live in there was another video that went

00:13:01.300 viral i don't know if you saw it the other day where from one angle it looked like this police

00:13:05.740 officer who had pulled over uh these two guys i think both of them were black it looked like from

00:13:12.500 the perspective of the driver that was taking the video that the police officer had put like um

00:13:17.760 had planted a bag of drugs uh in the car and everyone was freaking out rex chapman which is

00:13:24.000 he's one of the biggest peddlers of misinformation on twitter he said you know this is systemic racism

00:13:29.540 it turns out you see from the body cam from the police officer that that's not what happened at all

00:13:34.900 he had found like the top of a baggie in in the pocket of another guy that they were you know

00:13:41.680 checking out and he just kind of put it down to do whatever he was doing um but i mean this guy he

00:13:47.560 was probably doxxed and he could have gotten in trouble he could have gotten threatened his life

00:13:51.780 could have been ruined if this grandfather had been identified amy cooper's life was certainly ruined by

00:13:58.220 all of this um and those that perpetuate the narrative whether or not it's true they really don't care

00:14:04.460 they really don't care like where do you think that callousness comes from because they're not

00:14:09.440 losing a wink of sleep at night the people that piled on this grandfather or any of these other

00:14:13.860 people now that they have been proven wrong it just doesn't seem like they have compassion towards

00:14:18.860 the people they falsely accused at all not not at all but you see the the the real power of when when

00:14:26.940 you can be callous and cruel and you can be part of the pitchfork mob and you can go and randomly tear

00:14:33.000 people to shreds and throw stones at them but also feel morally justified in doing it feel like

00:14:39.080 you're you know this is this is part of some greater good where you're given moral license uh that's when

00:14:44.580 it becomes very dangerous and so i think everyone in in the mob that's how they feel they feel like

00:14:49.360 they're they they think they believe they've told themselves convinced themselves at least that

00:14:54.040 they're struggling against some some greater evil so it goes back to for them the actual details of

00:15:00.360 this case don't matter that much yeah um especially when it comes to police officers so they see that

00:15:05.880 and and it doesn't matter did he actually plant the drugs who cares as far as they're concerned

00:15:10.100 this kind of thing happens they would say they would say it happens all the time and so this is our way

00:15:15.580 of calling attention to it and this police officer if he didn't plant drugs that time he probably has

00:15:20.400 done it before and he's definitely a racist and um and that's that's all we need to know they're not

00:15:26.120 going to apply any common sense because you have to in order to not fall victim to that um i think

00:15:32.020 you have to have some kind of moral bearing of and also you have to have common sense you have to

00:15:36.680 understand the way the world works um and that's often enough for me anytime we see these you know

00:15:43.000 very often when we see these kinds of out of context police videos and usually there's a shooting or

00:15:47.860 something and you hear the claim oh a cop just walked up and shot someone dead and before i i even

00:15:55.180 look at the video i always say well i i'm i'm almost certain that didn't happen before i even see the

00:16:00.180 video because that's not the way the world works usually it could have happened i'll watch it but

00:16:04.760 probably not um but for them you know their their prior assumption is that this stuff happens all the

00:16:11.180 time and so that's probably what happened here yeah and just to know just for people listening on the

00:16:16.660 amy cooper thing i don't know exactly all i'm saying about the amy cooper thing is not that she 0.98

00:16:22.260 was necessarily in the right because if people remember she was the lady at the dog park she had

00:16:26.480 her dog off the leash to this bird watcher told her you know i'm gonna call your dog over here you're 1.00

00:16:30.980 not gonna like what i'm about to do she threatened to call 9-1-1 the thing that she said that i thought 0.99

00:16:35.100 was pretty egregious was well i'm gonna call the cops and tell them an african-american man is 0.99

00:16:39.140 approaching me that does seem kind of threatening but the point i'm making is that there were other

00:16:43.880 apparently complicated details that don't make this so cut and dry um and i just don't think

00:16:49.780 like in the age of everyone especially on the left talking constantly about nuance and the importance

00:16:54.440 of nuance like there's no nuance to be had whatsoever when it comes to accusing some people

00:16:59.500 on social media of racism and it's really sad like this one usa today uh writer he said that the

00:17:07.160 grandfather it's a blue check mark the grandfather should be put in jail because of what he said i mean

00:17:13.160 that's crazy yeah and that goes another part of this there's nuance context and everything like

00:17:18.780 we've been talking about also a sense of proportionality so when you're talking about

00:17:23.200 the situation with the dog walker um that yeah there's there's more to the story there's more

00:17:28.540 context all that's important and of course all of that is lost in the shuffle because in this day

00:17:32.060 and age everything is simplified and um and once you're cast as the villain that's it context does

00:17:39.120 not matter in fact we've been told that explicitly um that context makes no difference well in certain

00:17:44.780 circumstances like if you riot and burn down a building as part of a blm protest then we have

00:17:48.860 to see all kinds of context and understand right yeah so on and so forth but also but even putting

00:17:53.740 all that aside there's also the matter of proportionality i mean let's just say that the

00:17:58.860 woman in that in the case you're talking about was totally in the wrong and she was as wrong as 0.93

00:18:04.080 everyone assumed does that mean that that she needs to be a cat that the entire country needs 1.00

00:18:10.820 to condemn her this needs to be an international story we need all of the media when she needs to 0.68

00:18:15.320 be in the headlines everyone needs to talk about it and think about her dog away they took her dog

00:18:19.440 away that's crazy it's like i i would relate it to uh another case kind of similar to that of the

00:18:25.780 woman who the media calls soho karen i don't even remember her real name but she got into an 1.00

00:18:30.740 altercation with um a black teenager in the in california in the lobby of a hotel and she thought

00:18:37.700 that the that the kid had taken her phone and she was and she was confronting him and she was

00:18:41.500 totally crazy and and he didn't take the phone and she was out of bounds and she was completely

00:18:45.100 in the wrong um and this becomes uh you know now the family is like suing the hotel over it and

00:18:51.500 it becomes this whole thing and there's rallies and press conferences and everyone's talking about

00:18:54.580 it and it's just like yeah she's in the wrong but this is a crazy eccentric woman 1.00

00:18:59.100 why does everyone in the country need to know about this why is this now a matter of urgent

00:19:04.780 national importance and i think that's kind of lost in the shuffle also and i mean people's lives

00:19:10.340 are ruined over this there is another i mean this has happened a lot over the past year because

00:19:15.400 unfortunately these people are like rewarded and patted on the back for taking these kinds of videos but

00:19:19.920 there was this one woman that was accused of cutting this guy off and he followed her to her 0.98

00:19:27.280 apartment like filmed her um license plate number filmed her address it was of course it was a white

00:19:35.000 woman who had apparently allegedly like cut him off or something and so she's she's effectively doxxed 0.88

00:19:42.220 because of a normal negative interaction that people have on a daily basis like why are we

00:19:49.040 seeking this kind of like you said disproportionate retribution on people especially along racial lines i i guess

00:19:56.120 it's because of what you said like it's rewarded on social media people go viral people will do

00:20:01.120 anything for just i don't know that like dopamine hit of you know getting a lot of retweets but i don't

00:20:09.300 know what do you think that we can do to rectify this kind of thing if we're going to keep talking about

00:20:14.360 it which just brings these kinds of things more attention maybe that's counterproductive how do we push

00:20:19.800 back on that yeah i mean i wrestle with that also uh especially when my complaint about some of these

00:20:25.660 stories is that we shouldn't be talking about them but now i'm talking about it by even saying we

00:20:29.040 shouldn't talk about it uh so what do you do about that but the only other option as far as we're

00:20:34.280 concerned is to say nothing and just leave this person to be torn apart by the pack of hyenas on

00:20:39.560 social media and i don't think that's the right thing so we're kind of forced to to speak up um as far

00:20:44.780 as a solution i you know i i don't know that there is any quick switch we can flip on any of our

00:20:50.760 cultural problems but certainly has to begin at least with uh decent normal people being decent 0.99

00:20:56.820 normal people and speaking up when when it when it's when it's uh when it's time to speak up i think

00:21:01.220 that has to be that has to be the first step also and we and we also know one of the reasons why

00:21:05.920 these kinds of stories get the attention that they do is because we've decided as a society

00:21:10.560 that racism is not only systemic and it's everywhere but it's also the worst thing period there's

00:21:18.320 nothing worse there's nothing worse a person can be other than racist even like a child rapist or

00:21:23.440 a murderer is not as bad as a racist and we've decided that as well as deciding that it's

00:21:28.880 everywhere and so then all these issues become issues of national importance and like you point

00:21:32.980 out these these these kind of normal if contentious human interactions are seen now through this racial 0.90

00:21:40.640 lens and then that just confuses everything and we see this at the you know there was a michelle

00:21:45.560 obama uh recently was was you know i think on our podcast telling this story about that she still

00:21:51.740 harbors a grudge over back when she was first lady and she kind of went undercover incognito to an ice 0.94

00:21:56.680 cream shop and she was waiting in line and somebody cut in front of her and she's still traumatized by

00:22:01.360 it to this day because she decided that it was racist it was a white woman cut in front of a black 1.00

00:22:05.240 woman and this was all racism and it's part of this whole tapestry of racism and so on and so forth 1.00

00:22:09.180 and uh and then you listen to that you think well i've gotten cut in front of in line

00:22:13.040 many times and i'm a white male it's just it's something that happens in the world

00:22:16.680 and um but when you have this framework is every single thing even if it's the most normal thing

00:22:22.140 in the world is uh seen through that lens and it becomes a big bigger deal yeah i think it's just

00:22:27.640 this inflated self-importance that it it's not just from our talks about race and racism that have

00:22:34.720 been so prevalent over the past especially year and a half but really just like the elevation of

00:22:40.180 people's individual identities to the point where it's the most important thing about you and

00:22:46.680 therefore everything that happens to you is because of your identity especially the negative

00:22:51.280 things that happen to you so this person treated me like this because i'm a woman or because i'm gay

00:22:56.060 or because i'm this skin color whatever and it's just i think it's a consequence of narcissism that

00:23:01.500 people assume that everyone's thinking about them when the reality is is that no one's really

00:23:06.600 thinking about us like we're thinking about ourselves but very few people actually have

00:23:11.540 other people out to get them simply because most people are thinking about themselves and not other

00:23:16.500 people i just think it has to do a lot with this kind of you are so special culture that we've created

00:23:22.580 a lot longer than the past five years i would say over the past few decades don't you think

00:23:27.860 yeah i think you're you're exactly right first of all that that that's a really important

00:23:32.440 thing for people to learn uh because it makes them more well-adjusted and mature and less selfish

00:23:36.760 people but it's also kind of liberating i think to realize that that very few people actually are

00:23:41.520 thinking about you in the world or or care that much about you most people most everyone that's

00:23:45.160 ever existed on earth and exists on earth now doesn't know about you doesn't know you exist and

00:23:48.260 never will and the people that do most of them don't care that much and aren't thinking about you

00:23:52.240 uh the circle of people who really care and think about you is pretty small even then even those

00:23:58.020 people are mostly thinking about themselves because we are egocentric people by nature so that's an

00:24:01.940 important thing to learn but as you point out um it in this culture now it's all about the

00:24:08.560 identity and i i think it goes even deeper than that because it's not even that the most important

00:24:13.020 thing is your own individual identity it's actually the most important thing is how you feel

00:24:18.400 about your identity so it's your feeling of it is the self's feeling about itself that is the

00:24:25.500 most important thing there's a book a really great book called the rise and triumph of the modern

00:24:30.240 self by carl truman yep i've read it and he talks about a philosopher called philip reef who kind of

00:24:35.640 separates the the ages of man the ages of humanity into these there's a political man and there was

00:24:40.600 um you know religious man and he says we're now living in the era of psychological man and the most

00:24:46.740 important thing in the era of psychological man is your own psychological state and how you feel about

00:24:52.420 yourself and it is and that means that it is everyone else's job to affirm your own feelings

00:25:00.420 about yourself uh and then from that starting point we see a lot of the craziness all around us

00:25:05.760 i think in this age of in this age of self-love which is ironic and self-help and self-empowerment and

00:25:21.700 self self-self we're told that that is the most important thing for you to achieve if you love

00:25:26.600 yourself then all of these good things will finally manifest but at the same time we've seen such a

00:25:31.860 rise in anxiety such a rise in depression such a rise in all these mental health issues so like how

00:25:37.300 can it be that if we're told that the real problem in the world is that people don't love themselves

00:25:42.540 enough and if we all just loved ourselves more than we would i don't know live out john lennon's

00:25:47.760 imagine or something like that but that's obviously not the case like we're told to focus on

00:25:51.500 ourselves more and we're more miserable like we're more divided we're more offended we're more

00:25:56.280 sensitive we're more fearful than we've ever been i think social media and technology also play a role

00:26:02.680 in that like when are people going to realize that okay maybe the solutions that we're putting on

00:26:07.680 people are actually making it worse and if we just went back not to self-loathing but to a state of

00:26:13.020 kind of self-forgetfulness and a willingness towards self-sacrifice and inconvenience all of these things

00:26:19.940 that we're told like we shouldn't embrace nowadays maybe maybe society would be a little bit better

00:26:26.840 and even more cohesive what do you think yeah i mean i couldn't agree more and part of the problem

00:26:32.000 here is not only there there's the intense focus on self-love which is a huge part of part of the

00:26:39.060 the problem and i agree with you that um it's it's not that we're supposed to hate ourselves that's not

00:26:45.680 good either but more just stop thinking about yourself so much maybe try to think about something

00:26:50.240 else find something like find a hobby i mean find something else to think about read a book that has

00:26:55.680 nothing to do with any of this just just find find other things to put your focus around but then

00:26:59.320 also the other part of this issue is that we see love as nothing but an emotion and so um what so if

00:27:06.720 we're focused on self-love what does that mean it means that we're just sitting around on our couches

00:27:11.080 trying to make ourselves feel a certain way about ourselves and it's just this it's you just are

00:27:17.080 circling the drain and uh and nothing ever comes from it if you start to see that love is an act you

00:27:22.680 know saint thomas aquinas said love to love is to will the good of the other then yeah in that sense it

00:27:28.260 makes sense to to love yourself and that you want what is good what is actually good for you which may

00:27:32.620 not be always what you want so you're trying to live a a healthy and well-ordered life um and but

00:27:39.260 also this love is inherently an outward facing thing it projects out and so you're trying to will

00:27:45.340 the good of everybody around you people be the people closest to you and if you just make that

00:27:50.560 your goal just you try to live a good life and help people around you to live a good life and to bring

00:27:56.420 goodness into your life and into your orbit um i think that's uh that's the key rather than sitting

00:28:01.760 around worrying about your feelings yeah i think the problem is the redefinition of love that we have

00:28:07.220 allowed like kind of post-modern progressives to to do to take on um and that is love like you said

00:28:15.620 that people think it's just a feeling but they also say it's complete and total affirmation so

00:28:21.080 whatever someone says that they want uh want or whatever they want to do um we are just supposed to

00:28:27.140 affirm it and that's what it means to be loving that's what it means to love your neighbor but if

00:28:31.900 love actually means as you said to want the best for other people then that's going to mean for example

00:28:37.300 that i am not going to affirm someone's delusion um or you know especially a young person's delusion

00:28:44.600 about being the opposite gender that's not wanting what's best for them or if you look at like the 1.00

00:28:50.240 normalization of obesity as something that is healthy it's not loving for me to affirm that i can be

00:28:56.420 kind about it i can be gentle and generous about it but affirming those kinds of delusions is actually

00:29:02.600 not loving at all if you see loving as something that is to really help someone not just to make

00:29:09.040 them feel good about themselves all the time i think that's actually enabling not love yeah i think that

00:29:15.980 this is the great grotesque sort of morbid irony that we're told the loving thing is to abandon

00:29:23.320 someone in a situation where they're clearly miserable and and leaving leading a really

00:29:29.580 horrible life i mean it's like it's like they're telling us you see someone on a deserted island

00:29:34.540 starving to death and dying of thirst well just that's where they want to be obviously leaving

00:29:39.520 there they see they seem to be having a good time they're laying on the beach seem to be relaxing no

00:29:43.240 they're they're dying there and so the best thing you can do is rescue them from it and it's the same

00:29:47.300 way kind of psychologically a lot of people you bring up the gender example the the number one

00:29:52.880 prime example there are other ones related to it like um body positivity and someone who's morbidly

00:29:58.640 obese we have to affirm them in that uh but this there's no happiness in that there's no happiness

00:30:04.440 in self-destruction there's no happiness in the rejection of your own true nature and that's why

00:30:12.100 we're we're we're you know there there are many things when it comes to the transgender issue many

00:30:16.360 facts we're supposed to simply not bring up starting with basic facts about human biology another one is

00:30:21.380 the insanely high suicide rate we're talking 40 percent for suicide attempts in the transgender

00:30:29.160 community and that does not go down very much after the gender affirming quote-unquote procedures

00:30:34.000 as they call it now even in the most progressive countries by the way people say oh well it has to do

00:30:39.200 with america not accepting these people or whatever but even in sweden some of the most

00:30:43.840 accepting families and communities the most tolerant and progressive countries we still see a suicide

00:30:49.680 rate among transgender people that is much higher than the general population yeah and even if

00:30:55.280 even if that weren't the case i mean even in this country we are very affirming of transgenderism so

00:31:00.960 that that that uh objection doesn't make any sense but even if we weren't it's still

00:31:06.480 40 that's a cataclysmic catastrophic unthinkable rate of suicide attempt something is going on here

00:31:15.580 and it's not just that people are bullied because look you can you can find many examples through

00:31:20.120 history of groups of people who have been actually persecuted in horrific horrendous ways we can start

00:31:27.260 with slaves here in the united states you know jews in the holocaust um we think of persecution that is

00:31:33.540 certainly far beyond anything that a transgender person in modern america in 2021 will ever experience

00:31:39.380 and yet you do not find 40 suicide rates or anything close to that in fact sometimes you find the

00:31:46.220 opposite you find that um groups of people who are really persecuted the suicide rates can sometimes

00:31:51.160 go down because they're sort of rallying around each other and um they've got this outward villain

00:31:57.220 that they're struggling against and they can have that effect but whether it does or not you

00:32:01.380 certainly don't find 40 suicide rates uh this is something new and unique yeah and it requires an

00:32:07.500 explanation that goes beyond the normal things that we hear from the culture and we're not we're not

00:32:12.440 loving this group of people by not being willing to dig into those things i'm sure you saw the 60

00:32:18.360 minute special that interviewed several detransitioners young people some of the minors when they transition

00:32:23.820 who got you know life altering surgery because their parents their psychologists their doctors didn't give

00:32:29.780 them any pushback when they said yeah you know i'm kind of troubled and i want to become a different

00:32:34.680 gender i want to get a double mastectomy or whatever so they did these things only to realize 0.99

00:32:39.280 that okay i had other mental health and environmental issues that were going on then that no one even

00:32:44.360 bothered to ask them about so was it the was it really the loving thing to do to allow that 15 year

00:32:50.000 old girl without parental consent to get a double mastectomy because she said she was a boy

00:32:54.040 that actually seems like that seems like hate to me that's that's the worst in fact it's even worse

00:33:01.380 than hate because as they say you know the indifference is far worse than hate and i would i

00:33:07.060 would agree with that i think it's it's so it is indifference it's i i don't really care about your

00:33:11.760 long-term well-being that's what a lot of these therapists and these these surgeons who do these

00:33:16.360 procedures um i don't know the girl comes in wants to double mastectomy does the surgeon hate that girl 1.00

00:33:23.280 personally probably not the surgeon doesn't really care about that girl's well-being and would rather

00:33:27.820 take the money and run um and uh and so it's it's something it's something even yeah it's something

00:33:32.920 even worse than hate that we're doing and meanwhile you talk about not even asking him basic questions

00:33:38.300 and that's true they're really basic questions that people especially kids struggling with these

00:33:42.960 gender confusions are not asked here's one and i'm always harping on this for a reason 0.97

00:33:47.360 but um when you hear let's say a boy says oh i think i'm a girl or i'm a girl or i want to be a

00:33:55.800 girl um well what do you mean by that what is a girl to you what do you mean when you say that what

00:34:03.040 exactly do you want to be or what is it what what do you think you are tell me a little bit about this

00:34:08.560 word girl that you're using yeah that that question it blows my mind that no one ever thinks to ask that

00:34:14.060 because if you did and you were to ask a young boy who says i am a girl you would ask him that

00:34:19.520 either he would have no answer at all because for him he's just babbling nonsensically as kids do

00:34:25.460 or if he has any kind of coherent answer he's going to say something like um i like the color pink i like

00:34:32.760 my sister's dollhouse it's fun i like to play with it um i like to play with the little toy kitchen set

00:34:38.320 you know that he's going to say stuff like that there are things that he associates with girlhood

00:34:43.080 that he enjoys and thinks are fun that's it and so your response is oh well go ahead and go ahead

00:34:49.640 and play with the dollhouse that's fine but you're a boy you're still a boy but you can go ahead and

00:34:54.040 play with the kitchen set you can play with the dollhouse um that that's it really is as simple

00:34:58.960 as that oftentimes i think yeah and there i mean obviously you know there's a whole industry kind

00:35:03.500 of pushing this kind of confusion on kids which is so contradictory simultaneously saying you know

00:35:08.740 boys can wear dresses do anything they want to do but if a boy wants to wear a dress that means he's 0.95

00:35:12.680 actually a girl and there was you know people were getting upset understandably about i don't know

00:35:18.380 one of the muppets who is a boy like calling himself a princess and putting on a dress and of

00:35:23.720 course people on the left were saying why are conservatives mad about this boys can wear dresses

00:35:27.720 and i no no they call him princess and they call him they they won't even use he pronoun so

00:35:34.100 obviously it's a way to try to confuse kids about gender but also pushing really weird gender

00:35:41.280 stereotypes if your son comes up to you and says hey like i had fun playing dress up with my sister

00:35:47.160 today that doesn't you don't say as you said okay well that probably means you're a girl like what do

00:35:53.100 you want your new what do you want your new name to be i mean it's completely nonsensical and the fact

00:35:57.560 that they're even professing christians that go along with this madness i mean it's really really

00:36:02.520 sad and that that's the one of the men there are so many contradictions when it comes to this subject

00:36:09.220 it's hard to even sift through all of them that's one of the biggest ones that you just touched on

00:36:12.920 that for so many years for decades um the goal of the left and of feminists in particular has been 0.95

00:36:20.020 to break down gender constructs what they consider artificial gender constructs uh to break down

00:36:26.300 traditional notions of masculinity and femininity and and what i always understood that to mean

00:36:31.360 and what it did mean originally was that hey if you're a girl you can do whatever you want and you

00:36:37.160 don't have to conform to any expectations or if you're a boy same thing but now they say oh if you're

00:36:44.240 a boy who wants to wear a dress that means you're a girl so before it was if boys should be able to wear

00:36:50.080 dresses now it's now we're back to boys can't wear dresses because if they do that actually means 0.67

00:36:56.280 they're a girl yeah so they've completely and i know some feminists have realized this and that's 1.00

00:37:01.020 where you get the so-called turfs trans exclusionary radical feminists even though there's nothing radical 1.00

00:37:05.660 really about their position at all they just they're just sticking with what feminists have always 1.00

00:37:09.220 said you're right whereas all the other ones have uh abandoned ship exactly um speaking of this

00:37:24.660 subject i don't know if you saw the latest in the james younger case the little now eight-year-old boy

00:37:30.920 who has been you know going through a custody battle between his mom and dad the mom has insisted he's you

00:37:37.160 know he's a twin and the mom has insisted that this little boy thinks that he's a girl dresses him

00:37:42.700 up like a girl calls him luna and i'm just saying this for the people listening i know you know this

00:37:47.740 um and the dad is like no you know he's a boy he wants to dress like a boy and i think the dad even

00:37:54.320 gives him the option of dressing like a girl when he's with him but has tried really hard to get full

00:37:59.360 custody while the judge granted full custody now to the mom um who has been trying very hard to do

00:38:05.940 hormone therapy and all that kind of stuff on this um eight-year-old boy in texas for a really long

00:38:12.160 time and man if this is not an instance of true injustice i don't know what is what's your reaction

00:38:19.120 to all that yeah i i first of all i think you're right that the the father is is actually more tolerant

00:38:25.720 of this stuff than even than i would be because if my if my son said he wants to dress as a girl 0.99

00:38:29.760 i'm just gonna say no you're not doing that sorry not happening um so this is but this is a father

00:38:35.540 who is and i i don't know anything else about him i don't know him personally yeah i don't know

00:38:41.140 anything about else about the mother i don't know her personally i don't need to because all i know

00:38:46.340 is that the father recognizes that his son is a boy and should live as a boy and shouldn't have this

00:38:51.580 madness foist on him and imposed on him and the mother wants to wants to turn her her son into a girl

00:38:59.320 turn her son into a daughter and that's all we need to know to know that that child cannot should 1.00

00:39:05.520 not be with that mother and in a sane society this would be an easy case this wouldn't be something

00:39:10.080 that goes through the courts for years and years and then ends up how it does now um this would be

00:39:14.800 really simple like during the divorce the custody uh hearing all the father would need to say is hey

00:39:19.460 judge uh my ex-wife is trying to turn my son into a girl and telling him he's a girl and the judge 1.00

00:39:25.360 would say okay well he's going over with you then yeah um that's a sane society but we don't live in

00:39:29.820 that kind of society and they're like they're there are a lot of lessons we can learn from this

00:39:33.340 um it's a terrible case i think one thing though is for for um younger people single people who are

00:39:40.580 not married yet um this is kind of a this is kind of a a red flag thing and and so when you're

00:39:48.380 especially you know as a man you're maybe dating a woman and you think it's getting serious

00:39:53.520 i would ask them about something like this i would i would say to them hey by the way do you

00:39:59.780 think that there's any chance that a young boy could ever transition into a girl or should ever

00:40:03.840 be transitioned into a girl and if you hear anything other than hell no run the other way

00:40:09.520 yeah um because this is the nightmare scenario that you have to worry about now where your spouse 1.00

00:40:14.300 um decides to impose this on your kid and when it happens you know the entire system will be on

00:40:20.720 their side this isn't this is not a warning against getting married i'm all about marriage

00:40:24.660 and kids i'm just saying this is one of those things you should probably be screening for uh in

00:40:29.640 the dating process yeah that's true i mean obviously you hope that someone who shares the same basic

00:40:35.180 worldview and theological views as you would agree with you on the subject but unfortunately you might

00:40:40.720 not know that i've never even thought about that that's hey that's probably a good a good question to

00:40:45.800 ask someone or a good thing to know before you get married so if you're engaged or if you're dating

00:40:51.000 probably just good to know that because you never know people's perspectives on that and that would

00:40:55.940 change your life and your kids lives forever that's crazy um one thing that you i saw you talking about

00:41:02.780 and i talked about too on instagram was simone biles i think you were talking about her saying that 0.57

00:41:08.560 she's pro-choice right yeah yeah so i want to hear you talk about that but there's something that we

00:41:13.620 disagree on when it comes to simone biles that i want to talk about first since i know we agree on

00:41:17.580 the abortion thing um you're very harsh against simone biles for saying that she is not going to

00:41:24.540 compete due to mental health can you um explain again your your position on that well first of all

00:41:31.920 i would never i'm never harsh on anyone so i don't know why you would accuse me of that that's true

00:41:35.660 that's true you're very sweet thank you i'm very gentle i think yeah i i think um listen

00:41:43.140 if first of all if she had just not shown up at the olympics and said i don't want to do it

00:41:47.460 no problem uh if she had shown up at the olympics and then quit in the middle as she did 1.00

00:41:53.000 and apologized after and said hey you know i i just i was getting in my own head and i couldn't do it

00:41:58.980 and i'm sorry i shouldn't quit but i did um and i appreciate my team for for for picking up the slack

00:42:03.640 they shouldn't have had to but they did and then if the and if everybody else had kind of responded to

00:42:07.340 that in a normal way by sort of shaking our head and saying oh that's really too bad you know but

00:42:10.740 and that would be it we move on i probably never would have even talked about the issue

00:42:14.340 because i don't care about the olympics or gymnastics that much but it's when what we do

00:42:20.120 in our culture now when we turn vice into virtue and we take this moment of cowardice which is what

00:42:25.360 it was and now i'm being told that i have to celebrate it that it's actually courageous

00:42:30.120 not not that not to be tolerant of it not to be empathetic towards her but to celebrate it as an

00:42:35.480 act of courage um that is where i draw the line and say i i can't do that and when and simone biles

00:42:42.560 was leaning into that and embracing her role now as a courageous mental health advocate

00:42:48.380 never apologized to her team for putting them on the spot like that in in such a way and not to

00:42:54.080 depriving someone else of that spot that she ended up bailing out of um you know that that for me is

00:43:00.900 where it was where i had to to draw the line and uh so that's that's where i stood on that yeah and i

00:43:06.340 agree with you and i really went back and forth on it because on the one hand i i felt the same

00:43:11.040 things that you did in bailing on your team that seemed like a big deal to me that you could be more

00:43:16.340 contrite about at least she could have said you know it's crazy she said that she had the twisties 1.00

00:43:21.340 which i'm not a gymnast so i don't know really what that is but apparently you know you lose your spot

00:43:25.440 in the air and you don't really know how to land that does sound pretty terrifying i don't know what

00:43:28.940 that's like but um she didn't really give that explanation publicly which made it weird she 0.74

00:43:34.600 basically just said sometimes you're not having fun i was like okay well that seems like kind of

00:43:39.320 an odd reason to bail on your team but at the same time what i kept telling myself was all right but i

00:43:44.500 know that she's not a weak person and she's never exemplified at least in her professional career any

00:43:49.500 kind of selfishness and self and narcissism that we know of anyway um she seems like she is in general

00:43:56.900 a team player and we know that she's not mentally weak like we know that she's not a weak person

00:44:01.880 because she wouldn't have gotten to where she is if that were the case and so if someone who has

00:44:07.320 been a champion for as long as she has says that she's having a hard time that she doesn't think that

00:44:11.860 she can compete then i do believe in maybe giving her the benefit of the doubt that all right like 0.98

00:44:18.000 she just doesn't have a history of being weak and of being selfish and so maybe it really is

00:44:22.840 serious like maybe she really did have a serious problem although i do see your point that she

00:44:27.740 didn't seem very like humble and sad about it yeah i think your interpretation is is is charitable i

00:44:35.340 mean i respect being charitable even if i even if i rarely am but in this case i just think because of

00:44:42.220 how there's how the media reacted to it which i think necessitated a response yeah from people like

00:44:49.600 us and um and then also simone bile she did she just didn't approach it from from from that angle 0.99

00:44:55.580 and i would also say yeah she's obviously a tough competitor most of the time she's an extremely 1.00

00:45:00.520 talented gymnast way better than i am which is not hard to do um she has handled a lot of pressure

00:45:06.820 clearly but i i would also say when when you've been at the top of your game and you've been really

00:45:13.280 really good for a long time and you're always the best and uh and all that that's there's pressure

00:45:18.420 that comes with that of course um and there's a certain amount of courage that's required to kind

00:45:23.100 of keep at it but when you start to to fail you know and and when you're not and and when you're

00:45:30.160 really struggling and when you're not at the time at the top anymore because she was let's let's not

00:45:34.840 forget she was struggling in these olympics by by her own standard that calls on like a different

00:45:40.620 kind of courage to know that okay i could actually go out there and i could maybe fail doing this i've

00:45:46.140 ever failed before at this but i might fail now um and to go and do it anyway that calls on a

00:45:51.040 different kind of courage and i think this is the first time in her recent athletic career well where

00:45:57.100 that kind of courage was required where there was actually a chance that she might fail and um and

00:46:02.600 she wasn't willing to do that she wasn't she wasn't willing to potentially fail in front of the

00:46:07.280 entire world and she pulled out yeah um that's that's how i kind of read it yeah maybe that's maybe

00:46:13.960 that's the case i guess i have a hard time criticizing people in that position because

00:46:17.380 i've never been in that i've never been in that position and i could never do even if i was an

00:46:24.280 athlete like that i could probably never do what she does and she's been super successful so i did i 1.00

00:46:30.120 did kind of give her the bod but then i was looking through her instagram stories last night and i saw

00:46:36.860 that someone asked her about abortion and i was like okay maybe she's not mentally where i thought that

00:46:42.240 she was because i mean she gave crazy explanations of why she is pro-choice which is um adoption is

00:46:49.240 expensive which is funny i can get into that but um which is true but you don't pay to put your child

00:46:55.720 up for adoption um the foster care system is broken which is true she was a product of foster care and

00:47:01.180 basically she just said your body your choice you had something to say about that so i want to hear

00:47:05.300 your take on it before i talk more about it yeah well this is coming there there's something

00:47:11.340 all the more disturbing and troubling about it coming from someone who as she says uh was a

00:47:16.580 product of the foster care system and thrived and succeeded much to her credit um in spite of

00:47:22.300 beginning life with with those kinds of struggles yet she's turning around now and saying it might be

00:47:27.960 better that that a child not exist at all be killed than go through what she did knowing that

00:47:34.080 it's perfectly possible to experience that and to still thrive and live a happy life as she is living

00:47:38.700 you know that to me is uh it kind of goes back to um a disregard and indifference for other people's

00:47:45.800 lives that i i think shows a certain selfishness that was also on display of the olympics i think

00:47:50.400 so this can in some ways kind of i felt like confirmed my priors a little bit about her my

00:47:54.180 instincts on on this kind of selfishness that's on display here and as you point out the arguments

00:47:59.180 also we should note are are just not true first of all uh it the expense with adoption is not when

00:48:05.400 you're putting the kid up for adoption but but even more importantly yes there are a lot of kids in

00:48:09.760 the foster care system and it's a very sad and terrible thing and there are kids that are in

00:48:12.920 that system for years and and and and have a hard time finding a family that will take them it's a very

00:48:17.740 sad and terrible thing but that is not the case for babies i mean there is a there is a a line miles

00:48:24.480 long of couples that are waiting to adopt babies the reason why the older kids end up there for so long

00:48:29.980 is that most couples want babies because they feel like they could really you know bond with the child if

00:48:34.460 they get the child at a young age so if you if there's a quote-unquote unwanted pregnancy

00:48:39.120 and a woman is deciding between abortion and adoption and she chooses life and she chooses

00:48:43.640 adoption and puts the child up for adoption as soon as the child is born that child will be adopted

00:48:49.060 maybe not like tomorrow but there will be a family adopting that child um so the idea that they're just

00:48:54.840 going to linger from infancy they don't go yeah they don't go right into the foster care system like

00:49:00.120 you said i mean it's very likely that you will be able to find a couple who will pay for all of

00:49:06.900 your medical expenses by the way if you are someone who is going to give your infant up for adoption i'm

00:49:12.980 not saying that that is true in every case but there are so many willing parents who want to adopt that

00:49:18.560 they will give an arm and a leg just to make sure that you are comfortable throughout your pregnancy and so

00:49:23.220 i just i don't even think that she had thought through her position on that and like you said

00:49:28.460 like she's a product of of foster care and she makes a huge contribution to the world like why doesn't

00:49:33.800 she think that of of other babies that are born to drug abusing mothers as she was 0.66

00:49:38.700 yeah it shows a a vision of life that is really really dark uh and and she's not the only one i mean

00:49:48.300 this the this is the pro-abortion vision of the world where there are some lives that there's no

00:49:55.240 point in even having those lives there's no point in existing especially if you're going to

00:49:59.680 potentially experience suffering and deprivation early on and i don't minimize that at all by the

00:50:04.700 way i mean there are kids if you let's let's let's confront and acknowledge the reality that

00:50:09.840 um babies who are quote-unquote unwanted pregnancies as much as i hate the term but using their term

00:50:15.120 unwanted pregnancies many of those babies if they're born there's a good chance that a certain 1.00

00:50:19.780 portion of them will will suffer in their lives will have very difficult lives early on especially

00:50:24.440 and they might suffer tremendously and that's a terrible thing but is it for us to say that it's

00:50:30.340 just better off if they died that there's nothing at the at the other there's no light at the other

00:50:34.600 end of that tunnel there's nothing greater and better out there for them um what a what a way to look 0.93

00:50:38.980 at the world and that's not how i look at it and even if you do look at the world that way

00:50:43.660 it's not for you to decide that for someone else right and you can always try to apply the arguments

00:50:50.440 that they have about babies in the womb to people outside the womb like if you think that a life in

00:50:54.700 foster care and a life that um you know is filled with abuse is bad which obviously i do i think is

00:51:01.140 is terrible um and you think that that's a justification for killing someone in the womb then

00:51:06.520 why don't you also think that's a justification for killing someone outside the womb like what's it

00:51:10.560 to you what's your standard why is it only that defenseless babies are okay being killed because

00:51:16.080 they might have a hard life but not babies outside of the womb uh to be killed because they have a hard

00:51:20.880 life so but unfortunately i just think that most pro-choicers and this is what i found i'm sure you

00:51:25.880 have too have never thought about it they've never really thought about their position beyond my body

00:51:31.680 my choice and this is what you know gets me a pat on the back yeah they they really haven't and it's

00:51:39.160 it's like many other viewpoints we go back to the gender thing is you you can't really hold that

00:51:45.200 position and think about it very long or very deeply and still have that same position at the end of that

00:51:50.180 process of thinking because you run into so many problems and some really fundamental ones with abortion

00:51:54.720 like okay you think it's okay to kill babies in the womb uh which means that you don't think

00:51:59.780 babies in the womb have any moral rights which i assume means that you don't think they have any 0.99

00:52:05.380 moral worth any real worth uh which is why they can be killed and discarded and thrown into a dumpster

00:52:09.560 out back um so if that means that they don't have any worth then that means that human worth

00:52:14.600 is not inherent there's nothing inherent in us that that that gives us that worth and so then um that

00:52:20.900 means that the rest of us don't have inherent worth worth is is i guess earned by degree and by how much

00:52:26.240 you contribute to society but as you point out well then why don't we you know that that logic

00:52:30.960 can be applied and has been applied in other societies exactly outside of the womb um i don't

00:52:36.200 see how you you get around that and also by the way if we don't have inherent worth then what is all

00:52:40.960 this stuff about human rights like what do you even mean by that what what are our rights exactly

00:52:44.800 where do those come from who cares about your rights well if you're not even a being that possesses

00:52:50.600 inherent worth so these are all questions i think they just don't really think about much and i think

00:52:54.340 well i think that's exactly why they're okay with giving up rights for you know temporary comfort

00:52:59.720 and safety because they do think that rights are something that the government came up with

00:53:03.840 and gives people based on you know a bunch of arbitrary standards and i would say that's that's

00:53:09.360 why a conservative can't be pro-choice because of the reasons that you just listed i know libertarians

00:53:15.460 can you know they say whatever they want to say about you know bodily autonomy and all that stuff but

00:53:21.200 conservatism is based on this idea that we have inherent rights from a power that is bigger than

00:53:27.480 the government and therefore they can't be arbitrarily taken away by the government and that

00:53:31.960 is where we get this understanding um of human rights and if it doesn't start at conception then

00:53:39.780 anytime after that it's just totally arbitrary and if you give into that argument then like you said

00:53:46.520 you don't even believe in an inherent right and why are you a conservative why do you believe in the

00:53:50.480 constitution it's just completely incongruent to me yeah i wish people would do this inventory um

00:53:57.160 and for those of us who think at all it's sort of it's kind of mind-boggling to think that

00:54:03.020 there are others who haven't uh asked themselves some of these really basic questions but apparently

00:54:07.840 they haven't and so here's a here's one question i think everyone should ask themselves if they

00:54:11.500 haven't it's uh it's do i believe that um that life has any real objective value do i actually

00:54:19.700 believe that and then once you get the answer to that question because you're going to be a yes or

00:54:24.140 no on that and if it's anything other than yes then it's a no um and that's going to set you you

00:54:28.880 know those those are two that's that's a path parting in the woods there and that's going to and your

00:54:33.220 answer on that was going to take you in one direction or another and um when you start following

00:54:37.740 that path you know you may be surprised about some of the answers you come up with depending on what

00:54:43.000 your first answer is um because if your answer to that is no then you know there there may be a way

00:54:50.760 to cobble together some kind of nihilistic philosophy based on that but you're gonna have to give up

00:54:56.640 a lot of the positions that you currently hold because those things aren't going to matter anymore

00:55:01.000 because life doesn't matter so i think everyone should kind of do that but if you answer yes i think

00:55:05.220 most people instinctively would answer yes then you know you start following that along and you might be

00:55:10.500 also surprised by uh some of the positions you end up forming yep yep i think once people realize

00:55:16.200 that any of their defenses that they have for abortion um could be logically then applied to

00:55:21.560 people outside the womb and no one would say oh yeah i believe that we should you know kill people in 1.00

00:55:26.320 foster care or homeless people or people who have hard lives um and then if you just you know trace that

00:55:32.140 back and ask yourself well then why do i believe that it's okay for someone with a potentially hard life

00:55:36.880 just because they're defenseless just because they're in the womb that seems like a very

00:55:40.400 arbitrary standard for life and death um last thing i want to talk to you about very important and this

00:55:47.780 is something that you talk about a lot i don't know maybe it's your biggest issue maybe this is like

00:55:52.540 your hill that you will die on and that is cyclists who decide that they are going to um

00:55:59.720 that they are going to bicycle i don't know two three four people abreast you have very

00:56:05.540 very big opinions on that can you explain them to us yeah it's one of the many hills that i will die

00:56:12.360 on but it's certainly an important one uh i think a very important issue look i have a very basic

00:56:18.020 point of view on this when it comes to cyclists the road is not a place for recreation okay if you

00:56:26.260 want recreation if you want to exercise or anything we got gyms for that you got bike paths in the woods

00:56:31.120 we got sidewalks we got we got tracks we got we got so many things for treadmills i mean the good

00:56:36.200 news is that there's so many places you can go for recreational activity and for exercise um i'm not

00:56:42.260 going to go out to the road and pop down on the ground and start busting out some push-ups if i want

00:56:47.060 to do that i'm going to go inside to do that because the road is not for that it's not for recreation it's

00:56:50.420 not for exercise the road is for getting from point a to point b and it is made literally for cars

00:56:54.360 that's why we pave it that's why it's like literally we make the roads for cars to be on

00:56:58.160 yeah and um not for you on your toy and a bicycle for most people is is really just a toy that's fine

00:57:04.960 we all again all we all have recreation it's just not a place for it so get the hell off the road that's 0.89

00:57:11.740 it well they can't they can't ride on sidewalks though because sidewalks are for walking and also

00:57:17.080 like it's annoying of with as a mom with two kids i can't like just get off the sidewalk when

00:57:22.460 there's a bike coming my way on the sidewalk it really bothers me when there are cyclists on the

00:57:26.080 sidewalk too because what am i supposed to do um and so i mean what's the solution they kind of

00:57:31.060 have to go on the road sometimes don't they uh i think the solution in those in those scenarios

00:57:36.400 is just don't i i guess you're gonna have to i guess you you just can't bike at all i'm sorry

00:57:42.120 like find something else to do with your time uh there are there's you might have to actually you

00:57:46.440 might have to put your bike in an actual vehicle like a civilized person and drive to some place

00:57:52.200 where that is specifically set up for you on your bike but yeah i agree i mean i i am saying get

00:57:56.180 off the road but i also think get off the sidewalk so i realize that i'm kind of limiting your options

00:58:00.440 um i guess the main point is you're just you're like imposing yourself on the rest of us and no

00:58:06.180 one else wants you around and um that should also make you you know i would feel self-conscious being

00:58:12.480 like biking on the road knowing that i got this whole line of cars behind me right i hate me

00:58:17.940 i've thought about that and like how does that not bother you to to even know that and i think 0.81

00:58:23.420 it's because all cyclists are sociopaths and um and are psychotics that's i think you know that is

00:58:32.560 um one of your classic charitable assessments and i think that's um how we have to end so thank you

00:58:39.020 so much for giving us your uh takes on so many things today i really appreciate it i know everyone

00:58:44.520 everyone else does too so thank you thanks a lot appreciate it

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