Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - September 07, 2021


Ep 483 ｜ Refuting Propaganda on Ivermectin, Abortion & Afghanistan ​｜ Guest： Liz Wheeler


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Liz Wheeler joins me to talk about the Texas abortion law and the anti-choice propaganda surrounding it. We also talk about Biden's response to the law and his handling of Afghanistan, the latest on that and the hostage situation going on with American citizens.

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone had a wonderful Labor Day weekend.
00:00:16.040 Today I'm talking to my friend Liz Wheeler. We are going to spend the first part of our
00:00:21.780 conversation talking about some of the propaganda that you have seen coming out about the Texas
00:00:26.640 abortion law. And just a note on that, I am actually talking to someone today, just a private
00:00:33.580 conversation with someone who kind of helped draft the Texas law. And I'm going to ask them
00:00:40.700 some questions because I just want to say, like, I have some questions too about how this Texas law
00:00:46.540 is going to work. There are a few things that have kind of troubled me that I've seen come out about
00:00:51.960 it. And so I just want to get some clarity. And so later this week, hopefully I'll have the opportunity
00:00:55.980 to share some clarifying answers that I get about this law. But Liz and I are going to talk about
00:01:05.220 some of the abortion arguments that you're hearing and some of the false narratives that you're hearing
00:01:11.500 surrounding not just the Texas law, but abortion in general. We are also going to talk about Biden's
00:01:18.500 response, authoritarian response to the law and his mishandling of Afghanistan, the latest on that and
00:01:27.160 the hostage situation that's going on there with American citizens, unfortunately. And then we're
00:01:33.020 going to briefly talk about some of the propaganda, again, that has come out about Ivermectin, this crazy
00:01:40.380 Rolling Stone story that ended up being totally debunked and what that means about our trust and our
00:01:45.960 public health institutions and how that has deteriorated so much. So a wide ranging conversation.
00:01:53.540 She's awesome. If you don't know her, you're going to love her. Without further ado, here is Liz Wheeler.
00:02:03.580 Liz, thank you so much for joining us. I think everyone listening and watching knows exactly who you are.
00:02:09.540 But just in case, can you tell everyone who you are and what you're up to?
00:02:14.620 Of course. First of all, Ali, thank you so much for having me today. I feel like you and I have
00:02:18.380 been trying to make this happen for at least a year. But one of us was having a baby if the other
00:02:23.260 one was not. We didn't get to do this until now. I host the Liz Wheeler Show podcast, the brand new
00:02:29.320 video podcast that we just launched in May, which is really exciting. Before that, I hosted a top rated
00:02:35.020 cable news show on One America News for the past five years. I've written a book on how everyday
00:02:39.900 Americans, how we all can debate liberals in, you know, whether it's school, home, family, just in your
00:02:45.860 life, debate tactics for getting past some of their talking points. I'm a Christian, a practicing
00:02:50.940 Catholic, conservative activist. And, you know, you and I have known each other for a long time.
00:02:55.960 We've kind of grown up, I think, in this world together. And like I said, it's really great to be able to sit
00:02:59.900 down and talk to you. You are awesome. You set such a wonderful example for conservatives, especially
00:03:06.160 for conservative women. You are so clear in everything that you say. You're concise in
00:03:11.780 everything that you say while also remaining tactful and eloquent. And that balance is very
00:03:19.580 difficult to strike. And you do it really well. And I'm so glad that we were finally able to get
00:03:25.760 together. I was excited to have you on today because I have so much to talk about. And I
00:03:30.400 thought, OK, who's someone that I can talk to that can talk about anything that I know that if I launch
00:03:34.980 any question at them, they'll be able to answer it well. And you are that person. And the first thing
00:03:39.740 that I want to talk about, because it's something that you and I are so passionate about, is this
00:03:44.040 Texas abortion law. Last week on the show, we went through what the law actually says, what it does,
00:03:50.640 what it accomplishes and what it doesn't do. And we went through some of, you know, the abortion
00:03:54.380 arguments, as you've done as well on your show and on social media. And the propaganda that we have
00:04:04.240 seen over the past few days, I mean, the way that people have twisted what the law actually says,
00:04:11.340 the way that they have tried to do all kinds of mental and moral gymnastics to try to justify the
00:04:16.520 slaughtering of unborn babies. I don't think that I've seen them this passionate, pro-choicers, 0.89
00:04:21.820 this passionate about something. I don't know, maybe since Kavanaugh. What's your take on everything
00:04:26.520 that you've seen over the past few days? Oh, yeah. I was going to make the same comparison.
00:04:30.460 I'm not sure that we've seen the pro-abortion activists this rabid since Kavanaugh, since they
00:04:35.980 were mailing coat hangers to Senator Susan Collins's house after she chose to vote in favor of his
00:04:41.640 nomination. I mean, they're desperate. They're desperate and they should be desperate because
00:04:46.160 we are past culturally, we are past this point in our culture where abortion should be acceptable.
00:04:51.900 Not that it ever should have been to begin with, but we're past the point that all of the original
00:04:57.020 pro-abortion arguments could ever hold water. We're past the point where there's a question of
00:05:02.400 scientifically when a life begins. We're past the point of people being confused about whether it's
00:05:07.820 about the woman's body, whether it's about the baby's body. We're past the point of what it means to 0.96
00:05:12.060 be pro-life, whether you have to support essentially socialist policy agenda items in order to call
00:05:18.940 yourself pro-life. We're past the point where we as a nation should accept the fact that every year
00:05:24.220 almost a million unborn babies are slaughtered just for the mother's convenience. Again, all of the 0.60
00:05:28.980 talking points have been debunked. We know it's not the majority of abortions. The vast, vast majority
00:05:33.720 of abortions are not about rape. They're not about incest. They're not about life of the mother.
00:05:37.500 Even late-term abortions are not about fetal abnormalities. If you do the studies, if you
00:05:43.060 look at the polling, if you look at the surveys, it's all about convenience. Now, that being said,
00:05:48.100 we should be tremendously compassionate, of course, to women that find themselves in this position,
00:05:51.900 whether they didn't intend to be pregnant, whether they're worried about how to make it work,
00:05:55.360 whether they're being pressured by a partner to abort the baby. We should be compassionate. And as
00:06:00.140 pro-lifers, we should support these women and help them and give them the resources and the love and
00:06:04.300 the care that they need. But none of that takes away from the heart of the matter is what I like
00:06:09.300 to call it unironically, given what the pro-abortion activists are talking about this week. But we should
00:06:16.700 be compassionate. But it doesn't take away from the humanity of that child. And the heart of the
00:06:20.960 matter is that unborn child scientifically, morally, ethically, and yes, legally is an independent
00:06:28.300 individual person with DNA separate from the mother and therefore should be protected under the law,
00:06:33.660 just like you, Allie, or like me. Yep. The Guttmacher Institute is the research arm of
00:06:39.060 Planned Parenthood. And according to their own reporting, fewer than less than 1% of abortions
00:06:46.020 are due to rape or incest. And that's not to discount those cases. Obviously, we think those
00:06:52.280 cases are horrendous. We think rape is horrendous. We think it should be punished to the fullest extent
00:06:57.180 of the law. But the point that pro-lifers make is that, okay, but we also can't discount the life
00:07:03.360 of the child, that the circumstances surrounding a person's conception doesn't make them any less of a
00:07:09.380 person. And therefore, it doesn't make them any less deserving of human rights. And I'm sure you get a
00:07:14.920 ton of questions about, okay, how would you respond to this post? How would you respond to this talking
00:07:20.620 point in favor of abortion? And I always say, look, just always bring it back to the life that is in
00:07:28.800 the woman's womb. Because every talking point is pretty much a red herring when it comes to abortion. 1.00
00:07:34.300 They bring up, like you said, all of these different policies that you apparently have to support in
00:07:38.420 order to call yourself pro-life. They bring up all of what they see as hypocrisies of the pro-life
00:07:45.740 movement in order to try to defend their position. But I haven't seen anyone on the pro-abortion side
00:07:52.320 really try to wrestle with the core argument that pro-lifers make that, look, this is a human
00:07:58.240 being. In what other circumstance is it justified to kill a human being because they're not wanted or
00:08:05.480 because they might be poor or because they might have a hard life? In what other circumstances is that
00:08:09.960 justified and why is it justified for this life just because it's in the womb? What else do you
00:08:17.320 have to say to people who are struggling to kind of make sense of the propaganda and the pro-abortion
00:08:21.980 arguments? What advice do you have? Sure. Well, there's a couple of things. So the point that
00:08:26.320 you're making essentially can be condensed into just asking the question, what is the limiting principle
00:08:31.120 on the arguments being made by the pro-abortion left? What would limit this to just life in the womb,
00:08:36.400 just these unborn babies growing inside their mothers? If we're allowing society, if we're 0.89
00:08:42.460 allowing abortionists to end the life, brutally end the life of these babies based on convenience,
00:08:47.860 based on the idea that they're dependent, based on the idea that they're quote unquote not sentient,
00:08:52.140 then what is the limiting principle? Why wouldn't that apply to a three-month-old outside of the
00:08:56.660 mother who is reliant on the mother's body, who is reliant on the mother's care, who is not able to
00:09:01.820 take care of themselves, et cetera, et cetera? Why wouldn't this apply to people in comas who are
00:09:06.400 quote unquote not sentient? There's no limiting principle on the abortion argument, which is
00:09:11.180 kind of what we saw last year, last year or the year before, I forget which one, from Virginia
00:09:15.940 Governor Ralph Northam when he was essentially arguing about abortion after birth, which is
00:09:22.140 infanticide. I mean, we see the extreme of these arguments because it's really not the extreme of
00:09:26.260 the arguments. It's just the logical conclusion of the arguments that abortionists are making.
00:09:30.120 And I talked about this exact thing on an episode of my show from today because Joy Reid over at MSNBC
00:09:37.160 did a monologue late last week where she tries to redefine the term pro-life and say,
00:09:42.800 you can't call yourself pro-life. Republicans can't call themselves pro-life unless... And then she gives
00:09:47.920 all these caveats to whether or not you can be pro-life. And so I go through them on my show one by one and
00:09:52.600 say, well, that's obviously not true because everything else notwithstanding, you still have to ask yourself two
00:09:58.640 questions. When does life begin? And if life begins at conception, what right do we have to end that
00:10:05.000 life? If you can get past those two questions and still make your case for abortion, okay, try to make 0.94
00:10:10.780 it for me. I'd love to hear it because you're going to make an argument that maybe I've not heard because
00:10:14.240 no abortion advocate will actually entertain that question. The other thing, Ali, and this is a really
00:10:19.920 useful tool, I think, for people listening to this or just conversations with your friends, whether you're in
00:10:24.000 high school or college, at your Bible study, wherever you are in a political group, is to actually ask the
00:10:30.400 what-is-it-ness of abortion. So when we're talking about abortion, we're not talking about POC, which is
00:10:37.040 what abortionists call the products of conception. We're not talking about a, quote, pregnancy, because
00:10:42.060 of pregnancy, you have to ask what is it. We're talking about the termination, meaning the death, the
00:10:48.480 deliberate killing of an unborn child. And this is what live action, for example, does really well, is they make
00:10:53.800 those animated videos that show the tactics, the tools, what actually the procedure of abortion is,
00:10:59.660 and that changes people's mind. Because when they understand that life begins at conception,
00:11:03.100 and that an abortion, through either chemical, basically burning the baby, starving the baby,
00:11:07.580 suffocating the baby, or physically pulling the baby apart, as horrendous as this all sounds,
00:11:12.200 when they realize what it is, then people's minds change. And so those are the two tactics I use when
00:11:17.180 I'm talking either about abortion or to someone who supports abortion. And it really does give people
00:11:22.020 pause when they understand the humanity and then what we're doing deliberately to end that humanity.
00:11:28.200 Yep. I asked on Instagram people to tell me how they became pro-life if they once considered
00:11:35.600 themselves pro-choice or pro-abortion. And just a note on that term, pro-abortion, a lot of people
00:11:41.220 like to say, well, it's not the same thing. I'm pro-choice. I'm not pro-abortion. No one's pro-abortion.
00:11:48.080 First of all, that's certainly not true that no one is pro-abortion. There are organizations,
00:11:52.800 one example is Shout Your Abortion, that is very pro-abortion. People are becoming more
00:11:57.860 unabashed about that. And when I testified before Congress on pro-life legislation under the Trump
00:12:04.800 administration, I quoted from a New York Magazine article that actually argued that abortion is a
00:12:11.300 moral good. The dismembering of babies is a moral good. And so, yes, people are pro-abortion. And by the 0.82
00:12:17.920 way, pro-choice and pro-abortion, they still end up with the same consequences. And so that's why
00:12:23.140 really those terms can sometimes be interchangeable. But I asked people on Instagram, what made you
00:12:30.100 pro-life? What made you anti-abortion? And the two most common answers, and it was usually a mixture
00:12:36.800 of them, number one was I became a Christian or I thought I was a Christian and then I realized I
00:12:42.400 wasn't really a Christian because I started reading my Bible and praying or I switched churches and I just
00:12:46.900 realized, oh, what I was doing wasn't really Christianity. It was some form of spiritualism
00:12:52.380 that didn't align with the Bible at all. And Jesus changed my heart. And it was undeniable to me that
00:12:57.740 this was a human. And then number two was what you said, like seeing what abortion actually is and
00:13:04.560 thinking through it. So that means that really the big reasons why people typically are pro-abortion
00:13:10.720 is because of some kind of, it's a spiritual matter. It's a heart matter for a lot of people.
00:13:16.400 And also the second thing, and I think this is a huge one, is that people really just have not
00:13:22.060 thought about it. They just haven't thought about it. They don't know what abortion is.
00:13:26.260 Someone told me that they ended up looking up live actions videos to try to equip themselves as a pro-choicer
00:13:32.500 so they can really arm themselves and know what they're defending. And then they ended up just
00:13:37.600 totally breaking down and realizing, wow, I can't believe that I once defended this.
00:13:44.280 And it's amazing, isn't it? And this is, I think, something that you and I have experienced,
00:13:49.720 Allie, as Christians who are outspoken Christians, practicing Christians in the public eye, even in
00:13:55.320 politics. It's not always popular to be so, but it is easy because all you have to do is open the Bible
00:14:00.740 to know that life begins at conception, that we're fearfully and wonderfully made, that we're all made in
00:14:05.080 the image of God, that our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit. I mean, you can go on and on and on
00:14:09.280 about how clear it is that God intends us not to end the lives of unborn babies in our wombs.
00:14:16.340 But what's really interesting as Christians, and this is not all policy, but this is like the 0.75
00:14:20.840 fundamental moral policies from government, is they don't contradict biblical teaching. And so if
00:14:27.700 you're in a situation as a Christian where your political view is somehow contradictory of the Bible,
00:14:32.780 you should open your Bible, you should go to church, you should listen to your spiritual director
00:14:36.960 because you're getting it wrong if there's a policy that is absolutely contradictory. The secular
00:14:43.460 argument in favor of just what we would call ethics, secular ethics, is almost always, I can't actually
00:14:50.260 think of an exception in line with biblical morality because that's the basis of our society, right?
00:14:55.920 Secularists pretend that we've just created this system of ethics ourselves, but no, it's not. I mean,
00:15:00.940 all of our laws from laws against rape, laws against burglary, laws against murder, laws against,
00:15:07.140 you know, every moral issue is based in biblical ethics, is based in the gospel, is based on what
00:15:14.940 God told us is the way to order our lives and treat our fellow men as brothers and sisters in Christ.
00:15:20.220 And so it's easy for you and me to say, well, of course, God says it's a person from the moment
00:15:25.220 of conception that he knew us before we were formed in our mother's womb. And it's just great that
00:15:29.560 it's also in line with science and it's also in line with secular ethics. But I don't know,
00:15:34.140 it's sometimes people are afraid, I think, to talk about the Christian aspect, but it's important
00:15:37.620 to do that too. Well, secularists certainly try to come up with in, you know, a code of ethics that
00:15:49.740 they say is just grounded in humanism. But you actually find that many times people who call
00:15:55.700 themselves humanists are very contradictory in their set of ethics because they don't have this
00:16:00.920 kind of biblical foundation. And so they might say that they are for the vulnerable, for the
00:16:05.620 marginalized, but they might also consider themselves pro-abortion or pro-choice. And that
00:16:10.920 just goes to show when you don't know where this moral law comes from that we all ascribe to,
00:16:17.940 whether we say so or not, when you don't know the moral lawgiver, it's very easy for your worldview
00:16:23.080 to break down. And just adding to what you said about kind of the Christian ethic, the biblical
00:16:30.140 view being the basis of our laws, that doesn't mean that we think that we are dictated by all of
00:16:36.360 the laws that ancient Israel was dictated by because we are not modern day Israel in America.
00:16:41.760 But you're talking about, as I've talked about many times, the basic moral law of do not murder,
00:16:49.060 do not steal. These things were the foundation of American law. The idea that we are all made
00:16:57.020 equal by a creator that has endowed us with certain unalienable rights. The idea that property
00:17:02.660 is something that we should have a right to own. This is in the Judeo-Christian ethic. That's where
00:17:09.640 that comes from. That doesn't mean we apply every law of Israel to the law today. We don't live in a 0.98
00:17:16.300 theocracy. Neither of us are advocating to live in a theocracy. And that's one point that people make
00:17:21.540 when it comes to abortion, that fine, you can be against abortion. But look, you can't impose that
00:17:27.760 on me just because you're a Christian. Well, I mean, like you said, Liz, okay, well, the laws against
00:17:36.380 theft, the laws against murder are also based in the same Christian ethic that you say should not have, 0.55
00:17:43.020 you know, shouldn't, shouldn't have any place in our laws whatsoever. And I want to say one thing
00:17:48.860 that I want to get you to respond to. And you can respond to what I just said, too, if you're
00:17:53.460 interested in that. But speaking of religion, the temple of Satan in Texas are the ones apparently
00:17:59.220 that are, you know, on the front lines against this Texas law effectively banning abortions after
00:18:07.480 six weeks. And they're saying, you know what, we're going to include abortion up to 24 weeks
00:18:14.160 under our, it's our religious freedom as the temple of Satan. Like this is one of the religious 0.99
00:18:20.100 practices that we do child sacrifice up to 24 weeks is what they're saying. And so they're going to fight
00:18:26.580 getting around the abortion law that way. And I just had to say, like, if you as a Christian find
00:18:31.180 yourself on the side of this, of the, uh, temple of Satan, then maybe, I don't know, maybe you're,
00:18:37.920 you're on the wrong side. Yeah. I mean, I think it's pretty telling that the temple of Satan is
00:18:42.020 taking the side of the pro abortion activists here. I mean, they are on the same side of this.
00:18:45.940 So there's, there's two things to say. So abortion is child sacrifice because you're essentially trading
00:18:50.320 a soul for material, material success, if you will, or material items, you're trading it for
00:18:55.980 convenience. You're trading it for flexibility. You're trading it for, you know, the ability to live
00:18:59.800 your life the way that unencumbered, I should say, because it's not even a positive unencumbered by
00:19:04.180 the responsibilities of a child after you have partaken in the responsibilities or of the
00:19:09.400 privileges of adulthood, I should say. So obviously abortion is child sacrifice. You are trading that
00:19:14.400 soul for, um, for materialism in a sense. So we all, we also have a legal tradition in our country.
00:19:20.240 I don't want to get bogged down in nitty gritty details, but we have a religious tradition in our
00:19:24.180 country that no, you, you of course have a right. It's codified in our first amendment to
00:19:29.140 exercise your religion the way you see fit, but it isn't without limits. I mean, I, if I,
00:19:33.600 and this is obviously hypothetical, but if, if my religion said that I needed to, uh, sacrifice an
00:19:38.440 adult human being or murder a human being once a year, you know, at, at the temple of whatever,
00:19:43.200 the flying spaghetti monster, I don't have a right to do that just because it's my religion.
00:19:46.920 Because, and the reason for that, this is, this is very, this is very important. The reason for that
00:19:51.080 is because it violates somebody else's fundamental God-given human right to life. Right? So
00:19:58.700 that, that's, that's true for any time that you're practicing your religion. You of course
00:20:01.940 have a right to practice your religion, even in the public sphere, not even just in your house
00:20:05.180 of worship or in your home, up to the point that it violates someone else's constitutionally
00:20:09.980 protected, meaning God-given inherent human right. So the temple of Satan, as always is very,
00:20:15.920 very wrong and easy to debunk and easy to call out on every level, level, morally, legally,
00:20:21.680 ethically, um, with the gospel. And so that's ridiculous. The other thing, just going back to the,
00:20:27.080 you're mentioning of a theocracy. Of course, I don't support a theocracy. And here's why. I mean,
00:20:31.860 the reason that I don't support a theocracy is because everyone has a right to make choices.
00:20:35.860 And when I say everyone has a right to make choices, I'm not talking about abortion. I'm
00:20:39.180 talking about choices about their own salvation, because this is a choice that God gave us.
00:20:43.480 He gave us the ability to choose him or to choose Satan, to choose to do the right thing or to
00:20:48.420 choose to reject him. And that's the fundamental, that's a fundamental of the gospel that we are not
00:20:53.020 animals. We are not just instinctually going to follow him, that we have to make that choice at
00:20:57.520 what it's, what makes love, what love is. It's what makes our love for Christ, what it is,
00:21:02.720 what makes Christ's love for us, what it is. And so in our society, uh, even politically outside
00:21:08.220 of religion, we have that same choice. We can choose to do the right thing. We can choose to
00:21:12.760 do the wrong thing. There are many wrong things that are permissible under the law. You can be unfaithful
00:21:16.820 to your spouse. It's morally wrong. It's probably going to lead to the breakdown of your marriage,
00:21:20.240 but you have a right to do that. That's not against the law. I know there's nitty gritty
00:21:24.740 laws some places, but in general, that's not against the law to do that, but it is morally,
00:21:29.560 it is morally wrong. That only, um, the limit here, and this is what I always say on my show,
00:21:35.040 the limiting principle is when your actions violate the constitutionally protected rights
00:21:40.120 of somebody else. And so that's why the so-called choice of a woman to have an abortion is not about
00:21:46.760 her own body. It's not about her right to make bad decisions because it infringes and
00:21:51.320 violates the most important right of that separate unborn child in her womb, that child's right to 1.00
00:21:57.280 life. Yep. And I'm against theocracy for, I mean, I think we probably land, um, I mean,
00:22:04.340 we obviously land in the same place ultimately that we are not for theocracy, obviously, like we're not
00:22:09.280 even really debating that. And all the people who say, Oh, Christian conservatives are just like
00:22:14.220 Joy Reid, like you said, um, or for some, you know, like Christian nationalist theocracy.
00:22:21.540 No, that's absolutely not true. We don't see, well, first of all, I mean, people know on here,
00:22:25.400 I'm a, I'm a Calvinist. And so there are some things that, that you said that, and you're also
00:22:29.700 a Catholic, I'm a Protestant. So there are some things that we disagree with, of course, when it
00:22:33.680 comes, uh, when it comes down to theology, but I come at the anti-theocracy stance from the point of,
00:22:40.000 we don't see any biblical precedent for it. I mean, the only biblical precedent that you see
00:22:44.620 for a theocracy is Israel and that's God's chosen people. America is not God's chosen nation. Um, 0.83
00:22:52.840 even if we think America is exceptional and in the new Testament, like that's not what we see Jesus do.
00:22:59.040 He doesn't command us to go out and build a theocracy, but the balance is, um, everyone,
00:23:05.000 no matter your worldview, no matter your background, no matter your belief system, you are trying to
00:23:10.440 influence people around you in the spheres you occupy with your worldview. Progressives do that.
00:23:17.180 Christians do that. And that's okay. It's okay for us to say, yes, we believe that if we align with 0.99
00:23:22.200 biblical morality on these things, that individuals and communities and societies will be better.
00:23:28.000 That doesn't mean that we want to dictate everything you do in accordance with the Bible,
00:23:32.760 but there is absolutely a balance and there is, we do have an interest in influence,
00:23:39.160 influencing the spheres we occupy with Christian values in the same way that an atheist wants to 0.95
00:23:44.560 influence the spheres they occupy with their values. Um, okay. I want to, I want to ask you about
00:23:52.480 Joe Biden and, um, and this will kind of transition us, but I want to get your take on what he says
00:23:58.900 about, um, what he said about this whole Texas law. So he tweeted on the second, the Supreme Court's
00:24:05.300 ruling overnight is an unprecedented assault on constitutional rights under Roe v. Wade.
00:24:10.240 Complete strangers will now be empowered to inject themselves in the most private of health decisions,
00:24:15.120 health decisions. The law does not even allow exceptions in cases of rape or incest, um, rather
00:24:22.940 than use its Supreme authority to ensure justice could be fairly sought. Of course, we know that he did not
00:24:28.260 write these tweets. There is no way the highest court of our land will allow millions in Texas in need of 0.54
00:24:34.460 critical reproductive care, another Orwellian term to suffer while courts sift through procedural
00:24:40.600 complexities. And then he goes on about how he disagrees with the, uh, with the conclusion of the majority
00:24:47.540 of the court in his last tweet says, I am launching a whole of government effort to respond to this decision,
00:24:53.260 looking specifically to HHS and DOJ to see what steps the federal government can take to insulate
00:24:59.720 those in Texas from this law and ensure access to safe and legal abortions as protected by Roe.
00:25:05.280 What is your take on that? Well, I think it's really interesting. So this is procedural nitty gritty,
00:25:11.060 as he mentioned, that might be the one accuracy in that, in that entire tweet for there, it is procedural
00:25:16.520 nitty gritty. And the reason for that is because we weaning the pro-life movement, this doesn't have to be
00:25:21.820 conservatives, it doesn't have to be Republicans. It's everybody who believes in the sanctity of
00:25:25.960 human life and that abortion is wrong. We in the pro-life movement have, um, we have created a great 0.95
00:25:33.860 victory. I'll say it like that. We have created a great victory for ourselves culturally, meaning we
00:25:38.560 have been successful in changing people's hearts and minds on abortion. We have changed public opinion
00:25:44.740 on abortion. And I'll give an example here so that I'm not being vague. There, there is no topic,
00:25:49.640 perhaps more polarizing than the topic of abortion, except when you ask people privately when they think
00:25:54.980 abortion should be restricted by the government. For example, 80% of the American people, that is
00:26:00.520 Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives, pro-life and pro-abortion, 80% of people think that
00:26:06.280 late-term abortion, third trimester abortion, should be prohibited by the government. It's not just
00:26:11.820 late-term abortions. 60%, that's a huge majority, by the way, on any issue. If you have 60% majority,
00:26:17.840 it's a very big number, 60% think that second-term abortions should be prohibited by the government.
00:26:25.080 So the reason that we see laws popping up around the country in states like Texas to this effect
00:26:30.540 is because the people of the United States want restrictions on abortion. We're one of, I think,
00:26:35.280 seven countries around the world, including China and North Korea, who allow late-term abortions.
00:26:41.480 We are at the very extreme end of abortion laws, even for liberal, liberal countries in Europe,
00:26:48.000 for example. We have, the United States of America has more permissive laws on abortion,
00:26:52.140 less protective laws for the unborn than most states. So over the past, you know, 30, 40, 50,
00:26:57.100 60 years, the pro-life movement has exerted a tremendous, successful effort to change people's
00:27:01.880 hearts and minds. So what happens first culturally is then translated politically. Now, politically,
00:27:07.700 in states across the country, pro-life legislators have successfully passed laws because their people
00:27:14.420 want it codifying the protection of unborn babies in the womb. The problem, of course, is that all of
00:27:20.320 these laws come against the buttress of Roe v. Wade. Roe v. Wade saying that even states have no right
00:27:26.780 to restrict abortion access to women. No right whatsoever, except in late-term abortion after
00:27:33.340 viability. That was the precedent in Planned Parenthood versus Casey. So we have this conflict,
00:27:38.400 this contradiction between what the people want and what the states want versus what the Supreme
00:27:42.800 Court arbitrarily ruled about Roe v. Wade. So, of course, I know this is exactly what liberals don't
00:27:48.560 want to happen, but what we need to do is we need to acknowledge, well, Roe v. Wade was wrong.
00:27:53.720 It wasn't based in the Constitution. It wasn't based in science. It's not based in ethics. It's not
00:27:57.500 based in precedent. It's not based in interpretation of what the founders thought, what they believed,
00:28:01.560 what they wrote, what they intended. Nothing. It's an arbitrarily decided decision based only
00:28:06.200 on the political agenda of radical leftists who wanted abortion to be accessible without limit,
00:28:11.900 essentially, across the United States because they don't believe in the sanctity of human life.
00:28:16.660 They don't believe in the constitutional values that all people are created equal, that all people
00:28:20.940 have equal protection under the law. So we have to look at Roe v. Wade and say, yes, it's time to
00:28:27.360 revisit this. It's time to overturn it. It's time to kick this back to the states
00:28:31.040 because the people believe differently than what a handful of male Supreme Court justices
00:28:36.840 half a century ago arbitrarily decided not based on case law. So that's how I would respond to Joe
00:28:43.540 Biden that, yes, we have resorted to procedural tactics because we all know, Joe Biden included,
00:28:49.600 the leftists included, the pro-abortion lobby included, that Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided.
00:28:53.600 Right. And don't you find it strange, especially, I mean, as a devout Catholic? And I know when I bring
00:29:01.540 that up, there are people that say, oh, you know, separation of church and state. Well, we've already
00:29:05.300 established this is not a separation of church and state issue. And everyone operates, you know,
00:29:11.180 from their values. And Joe Biden has said for a very long time, look, you know, well, first of all,
00:29:17.900 he was for the Hyde Amendment for a long time, which prohibits our tax dollars from federally
00:29:22.880 funding most abortions. And then he said that he wants to repeal the Hyde Amendment. He used to say
00:29:28.300 he's ready for or he's willing to accept the Catholic Church's stance that life starts at
00:29:35.080 conception. And then he recently flip-flopped on that. He has become very rabid in the way of
00:29:42.380 abortion, in the way of being pro-abortion. Of course, Kamala Harris was the most pro-abortion
00:29:49.280 senator when she was in the Senate. And so it doesn't really, I guess, surprise us coming from
00:29:55.520 this administration. But seeing someone who used to be a moderate, who we were told by, for example,
00:30:00.400 pro-life evangelicals for Biden, that he wasn't really going to be that passionate about being
00:30:06.200 pro-abortion. Well, he is. And he is actually showing that he cares more about this. A whole of
00:30:12.160 government effort to go after Texas. He cares more about this, it seems like, judging from
00:30:18.020 this Twitter thread, than he does about Americans abandoned in Afghanistan, don't you think?
00:30:23.400 Yeah. I mean, I'm not here to say who's going to heaven and who's going to hell. There's one
00:30:27.680 arbiter of those decisions, and it is certainly not me. What I can tell you is that when Joe Biden
00:30:33.100 claims to be Catholic, he is violating the fundamental tenets of the Catholic Church. He's 0.63
00:30:37.140 violating the fundamental tenets of Christianity. The Catholic Church teaches that life begins at
00:30:41.960 conception, and that we are all made in the image of God, that our bodies are temples of the Holy
00:30:46.620 Spirit. Obviously, all of these biblically-based beliefs on unborn children. And they teach that 0.94
00:30:53.640 abortion is a grave moral evil, that if you are complicit in an abortion, and this includes,
00:30:58.500 by the way, politicians who advocate, who use their positions of power to influence abortions,
00:31:05.140 to influence public policy in favor of abortions, that you are in a state where your salvation is in
00:31:11.080 question. It's called mortal sin in the Catholic Church, that you're in a state of mortal sin.
00:31:15.000 And so Joe Biden is literally choosing. He is faced with this choice. He's choosing between
00:31:19.120 his own salvation versus, you know, child sacrifice because of his political aspirations. And he's
00:31:25.780 rejecting Christ, because we're all made in the image of Christ. So he's rejecting the image of
00:31:30.060 Christ in these unborn children and choosing instead this antichrist, this satanic belief 0.92
00:31:36.920 about child sacrifice. So like I said, I can't say whether, you know, what's going to happen to
00:31:41.440 his salvation. I can't say whether he's going to heaven or hell. What I can say is that he is
00:31:44.740 rejecting one of the fundamental tenets of the Catholic Church. And so I don't know how you can
00:31:48.520 claim to be Catholic while rejecting your beliefs on that. He has also shown, as you mentioned,
00:31:53.960 this terrible disregard for human life in other areas. I don't know what to think of this part of
00:32:00.420 his presidency, Ali. You mentioned that he didn't write those tweets himself. I think we all suspect
00:32:04.960 that his agenda is not being dictated by himself. He has surrounded himself and his administration
00:32:10.700 with very, very radical individuals, whether it's Kamala Harris, as you mentioned, whether it's
00:32:16.480 Javier Becerra at HHS, the former attorney general in the state of California, very pro-abortion,
00:32:22.440 whether it's the second in command at HHS, a transgender individual from Pennsylvania who thinks it's okay
00:32:28.680 for children to be transitioned genders, even against perhaps the wishes of their parents. I mean, 1.00
00:32:33.780 Joe Biden has proven what his political agenda is just by who he's surrounded himself with. And so
00:32:41.360 we don't have to question anymore whether he's a moderate, whether he's going to be a centrist.
00:32:45.020 We know that he is as radically left as possible, and he's willing to use the power of the federal
00:32:49.600 government to push his agenda. It's a sorry thing to see. One last note, by the way, the idea that he
00:32:56.840 says, I am prepared to accept that life begins at conception, or I think he said that in 2015,
00:33:01.360 he recently contradicted himself. But the fact that he said that he's willing to accept that,
00:33:05.340 but then politically isn't willing to back that up, that would be the same as saying, well,
00:33:10.680 I'm personally anti-rape, but politically, I don't want to put that. I don't want to impose
00:33:15.140 that kind of law on anybody. You simply can't be personally pro-life and politically pro-abortion.
00:33:21.280 It's a fallacy. It's a contradiction. It's false.
00:33:31.660 I want to read this one. You mentioned something that reminded me of this quote that I
00:33:37.340 read by Peter Kreeft the other day. He is a Christian professor. He said,
00:33:43.120 abortion is the anti-Christ demonic parody of the Eucharist. That's why it uses the same holy words, 0.97
00:33:49.260 this is my body, with the blasphemously opposite meaning. And I mean, I had never thought about it
00:33:57.540 like that, how it inverts the Eucharist by also saying those sacred words, my body, but using it
00:34:04.040 in such a contradictory and demonic way. And so what you said about choosing the anti-Christ
00:34:12.440 when it comes to abortion really stuck out to me because I think it's absolutely true. And it's 1.00
00:34:18.200 very sad. And we really haven't seen throughout Joe Biden's presidency in other areas, a respect
00:34:25.120 for life, especially when we're looking at all of the other divisions of his presidency and his
00:34:31.520 leadership. And when you look at the border, when you look at what happened in Afghanistan, when you
00:34:36.320 look at even the economy, we're not seeing this so-called holistically pro-life approach from this
00:34:43.580 administration. Can you tell us, like, what else do you think about Joe Biden's leadership right now,
00:34:50.160 maybe especially as it pertains to things like the border and what's going on in Afghanistan? Because
00:34:56.240 I do think those things are kind of tied together. Oh, certainly. I mean, I cannot think of a
00:35:01.340 presidency that's worse than Joe Biden's first eight months in office. My husband's former military,
00:35:08.800 he was a medical officer in the Navy. He was attached to Marines. So it's all, I mean,
00:35:14.460 it's personal for all of us just as Americans, right, when we lose our troops in combat. But it's
00:35:21.480 particularly heart-rending. And this is one, when these 13 American service members were killed,
00:35:26.300 this one hit me particularly hard because I looked at these young men and these young women who were
00:35:32.180 following the direction of their commander in chief, the bad direction of their commander in
00:35:35.840 chief. And I thought they're willing to lay down their lives. And they did. And it wasn't necessary.
00:35:42.620 This wasn't something where it was like, well, in order to fight off this evil, sometimes that evil
00:35:47.040 requires, like, that's what happens in war. War is deadly. People on both sides of both sides of a
00:35:51.720 conflict die. No, that's not what happened in Afghanistan. What happened in Afghanistan is Joe
00:35:56.380 Biden's political choices that he made deliberately led to the death of these 13 service members,
00:36:02.240 U.S. service members. And Ali, what's not mentioned a lot is the fact that in that blast,
00:36:07.240 in that bomb, in that terror attack outside of the Kabul airport, there were over 150 Afghans who were
00:36:13.100 killed too. 150 other people besides the 13 U.S. service members were killed. And you don't hear
00:36:20.180 about that on the U.S. news. You'd only hear about these tragedies when it happens to American
00:36:24.640 citizens or American troops. But it's an equal tragedy when 150 other innocent people were killed
00:36:31.120 in this terror attack. And Joe Biden is directly responsible. I know he's not the one that detonated
00:36:35.460 the bomb, but he allowed the Taliban to take over Kabul. He allowed al-Qaeda to gain this hold again in
00:36:42.460 Afghanistan after the U.S. had driven them out over the past two decades. He allowed ISIS-K to flourish 1.00
00:36:49.560 the way that he did in Iraq after he and Obama pulled troops out of Iraq and ISIS went into the
00:36:56.580 vacuum of power there and were able to grow and flourish and export their terrorism around the 0.65
00:37:00.880 world. Joe Biden, this is worse than Vietnam. It's worse than Vietnam because we historically know
00:37:06.500 what happens when you capitulate to terrorists. We know what happens when you capitulate to the
00:37:10.740 enemy. We know what happens when you surrender to a terror group. And Joe Biden did that anyway.
00:37:16.260 He knew what would happen, and he did that anyway. And I think that's why when you ask people,
00:37:21.680 no matter their political affiliation, what they think of Joe Biden's choices in Afghanistan,
00:37:26.140 everybody is horrified. Everybody hates what he did, except for a few fringe radicals,
00:37:30.800 probably on both sides of the aisle, because he just disregarded human life. That might be his
00:37:36.060 defining legacy, is his utter disregard for human life.
00:37:38.980 Yep. And it reminds me, I mean, it goes back to ideology for them. And it reminds me of the ideology
00:37:44.000 that drove the Obama administration, this idea that if America flexes its strength, that that's
00:37:51.280 bad for the world. And that actually, if America capitulates, and if we take America down a notch,
00:37:56.260 and we don't flex our muscles, even if it means, you know, saving American civilians in Afghanistan,
00:38:04.780 then things will be okay. If we just capitulate to the Taliban, if we just say, okay, sorry, sorry, 0.99
00:38:10.200 sorry, you know, we'll be weak, we'll back out. And yeah, sure, we'll leave on August 31. Don't worry
00:38:15.260 about it. And even though, according to the New York Times, there's at least 1000 people,
00:38:20.200 dozens of American citizens, the New York Times says Afghans holding visas to the United States
00:38:25.020 or other countries, they remain stuck in Afghanistan. This is at least as of Sunday. And, you know,
00:38:32.640 our military leaders have already said, which is not true, I've talked to enough people to know that
00:38:36.740 this isn't true. Oh, yeah, we didn't have the capacity to get all of these Americans out. But we
00:38:42.940 did have the capacity, apparently, to airlift 1000s and 1000s of Afghans who are not SIVs. And they're 0.97
00:38:50.880 not necessarily our allies. And I have all the compassion in the world for them. I'm glad that
00:38:54.640 they got out of Afghanistan. I'm just saying that if American citizenship means anything, which I think
00:39:00.080 that it should, if there is any privilege and any right to being an American citizen,
00:39:05.540 then it should mean prioritizing American lives and rescuing Americans from Afghanistan. But in this 0.60
00:39:12.440 situation, you see a total deprioritization of American lives, a complete negligence in trying to
00:39:19.120 capitulate, as you said, to the Taliban. But also, we see a deprioritization of American security when
00:39:25.300 we're seeing that there is a complete lack of vetting process. And when we are allowing these
00:39:30.880 Afghan refugees into our country, and again, I'm happy to have a number of Afghan refugees come to
00:39:35.720 America. But when there's no vetting process, I think it's very fair to wonder, okay, what could
00:39:40.880 possibly be the repercussions of this? And then when you look at the completely open border, and run
00:39:47.240 down Border Patrol at the southern border, we see that this is an administration who seems to have
00:39:53.740 the motto of America last. We saw this with Obama a little bit, but now we are seeing the full
00:40:00.460 manifestations of it. And I'm very worried about what the consequences might be in the coming months
00:40:05.940 and years. Are you? Yeah, certainly. I mean, I feel the same way about Afghan refugees. If their lives 0.90
00:40:10.760 are in danger, which so many of them are, I'm happy that they're able to escape the Taliban. I mean,
00:40:14.680 what we should have done is we should have avoided this circumstance, but not allowing the Taliban to 0.97
00:40:18.440 take over. But Joe Biden made that choice to do so. I read the numbers yesterday. I think it's
00:40:22.900 something like 30,000 Afghan refugees. The U.S. has evacuated 30,000. 10,000 of them
00:40:28.380 were basically flagged. They needed additional review. Of that 10,000, 100 of them had very
00:40:33.480 troubling backgrounds, and at least two of them weren't even allowed. They were taken to Kosovo,
00:40:36.980 I believe, because they had distinct ties to terror organizations. So that's only the ones that we know
00:40:42.000 of so far. That's extremely troubling. I mean, to think about those individuals who haven't been vetted
00:40:46.820 in our neighborhoods per se. I mean, as a mom, that scares me. As a compassionate American,
00:40:51.300 I want people who are in danger to be evacuated from Afghanistan, but I don't want people who are 1.00
00:40:56.480 a danger to me and my family and my neighborhood and my community and my country to be allowed to 1.00
00:41:01.060 roam free in our nation. I mean, going back for a second to the idea of American citizens,
00:41:05.900 there are American citizens in Afghanistan who want to be evacuated. We're told by Jen Psaki,
00:41:10.680 we're told by the Biden administration that the only people there are people who want to stay there.
00:41:15.300 But Ali, there's a pregnant American citizen. She's eight months pregnant. She tried to get to the 1.00
00:41:20.140 airport and the Taliban kicked her pregnant belly. I mean, I can barely, I've talked about this story
00:41:25.360 on my show, but I can barely talk about it just thinking of how horrendous that is. She's now in
00:41:30.280 hiding because she fears for her own life and the life of her child. There's a three-year-old boy
00:41:34.880 from California. He's a US citizen. He and his dad tried to get to the airport. They wanted to leave
00:41:39.460 Afghanistan. The Taliban beat them both, beat this tiny baby, beat this three-year-old. I mean,
00:41:45.820 this person wanted to leave Afghanistan. Joe Biden is lying to us because he's not willing
00:41:50.060 to actually stand up for human life. The same thing is happening at our southern border.
00:41:54.920 And I know this is a slight pivot, but it stays in the line in this theme of this disregard for human
00:42:00.400 life. The people that are coming across our border are not just asylum seekers. Many of them do have
00:42:04.840 sad stories and many of them perhaps deserve asylum after it's been adjudicated in the court system.
00:42:09.820 But many of them are drug cartels, are human traffickers, have prior convictions for things
00:42:15.140 as horrible as child sex abuse and spousal assault and rape and murder and all kinds of violent
00:42:21.560 crimes. They've been convicted and deported, and they're trying to come back now. The Biden
00:42:25.360 administration is just releasing them into our country. This is something that, again, it doesn't
00:42:29.480 matter your politics. This is about the basic safety and security of our own families,
00:42:33.480 especially as moms, Ali. I think this is maybe why so many women, so many moms have gotten
00:42:39.960 politically involved lately because they realize that this is not just a matter of push and pull
00:42:45.260 of politics. Who has the best solution for the same problem? That, no, this is a fundamentally
00:42:49.140 dangerous ideology for us and our children and our families. And if we don't get involved,
00:42:52.760 who's going to protect us?
00:43:02.040 I think you're right. America last is bad ideology. It is bad foreign policy. It's bad domestic policy.
00:43:11.480 Strong borders, strong foreign policy is not just compassionate and right for the citizens of this
00:43:16.580 country, which are the only citizens, by the way, that this government has a responsibility to protect.
00:43:26.300 Yes, of course, we also have a responsibility to help out our allies, and that is all important.
00:43:32.020 But their primary responsibility is to look after the welfare of the citizens of this country. And
00:43:37.980 unfortunately, it just seems like this administration is not doing that. That is not compassionate for
00:43:42.060 migrants who are unfortunately being trafficked across the border. There are incentives, more 0.99
00:43:47.700 incentives than ever, for trafficking these young children across the border because of the policies
00:43:52.240 of the Biden administration. It's not compassionate for the people in this country either. And going back
00:43:57.720 to some of what you were talking about in the backgrounds of some of these refugees that are
00:44:03.040 coming in, this is according to the New York Post. U.S. officials are looking into reports that elderly
00:44:08.400 Afghan men were permitted to evacuate with young girls they claimed as, quote, wives, with some of
00:44:13.220 the purported child brides brought to an army base in Wisconsin, according to a report on Friday.
00:44:21.020 And look, like this is where this idea of like cultural and moral relativism just falls apart,
00:44:25.540 that every culture has their own equally legitimate set of morals that we have no right to say that's
00:44:31.580 good or bad. No, like we have to be strong in this and say it doesn't matter what your cultural
00:44:36.100 background is. Taking a child as a bride is not permitted in the United States. And obviously,
00:44:42.620 we have to be strong on that. But that was according to the Associated Press actually recorded this
00:44:47.780 or reported on this as well. And to say that that is somehow xenophobic or that is hateful to say,
00:44:55.240 hang on a second, like I have concerns about people, old men who have taken child brides coming into this 1.00
00:45:01.880 country and roaming free and what kind of consequence that's going to have on communities.
00:45:06.280 And yet we're kind of being told like we shouldn't even be able to voice those concerns because that's
00:45:10.940 somehow racist. I'm just not buying that. Oh, no. I mean, none of us should buy it. I mean,
00:45:16.300 I think of my little baby girl and I think of this idea that when she's what, seven, eight,
00:45:22.660 nine, 10, 11, 12, that she would be taken as a child bride. I mean, all you have to do is put
00:45:26.440 your own family in that circumstance and you know how horrific it is. As you said, it's not racist.
00:45:31.080 It's basic protection of these little girls. We're not just supposed to protect our own families.
00:45:34.660 We're supposed to protect children from child abuse. This is the worst kind of child abuse.
00:45:38.460 It's child sex abuse. These girls are actually reporting to U.S. authorities that these men are
00:45:43.440 raping them. I mean, it's so horrendous. It's so horrendous. And anybody who's excusing that
00:45:48.680 is complicit in it morally. And it's disgusting. The fact that we're even having this conversation,
00:45:55.300 that there's anybody in our country who's even giving an excuse for why this should be
00:45:59.000 allowed is mind boggling. But no, no one should have any qualms about saying, stop. No, absolutely
00:46:05.180 not. We're not allowing this. I don't care what your background is. Yeah. It's when this idea of
00:46:10.200 intersectionality kind of conflicts with human rights, when we see people wanting to on the left,
00:46:17.980 wanting to kind of ignore this. Now, I think the majority of people who identify as liberal care about,
00:46:24.480 you know, child abuse and things like that, too. So I'm not just painting them with a broad brush
00:46:28.420 and say no one on the left cares about this. But in general, there seems to be some disregard of
00:46:33.740 this kind of thing for fear of coming across as racist or xenophobic. And this idea that, you know,
00:46:39.960 or Islamophobic, this idea that we can only criticize one group of people and we're not allowed to
00:46:46.860 criticize anyone with a higher melanin count. It kind of leads to this contradictory moral worldview
00:46:53.940 we also see it. There was a report about that case at We Spa in L.A. The woman, and I'll just
00:47:04.340 remind the audience, I'm sure you remember, Liz, the woman who came to the front desk of We Spa in L.A.
00:47:08.880 and said, hey, there's a dude in the women's locker room. There are young girls in the women's 1.00
00:47:13.220 locker room. And there's this dude walking around naked. And he's, you know, exposing himself to these
00:47:20.640 young girls and we feel very uncomfortable. And people shamed this woman in the video saying,
00:47:26.320 oh, you know, this person's transgender. And then there were, I guess, conservatives who
00:47:32.900 protested in front of We Spa. And then there were these people who identify as Antifa coming and
00:47:39.060 protesting the protesters trying to defend this supposedly transgender person who was naked walking 0.85
00:47:47.160 around in the women's locker room. Well, it turns out that that wasn't a fake story. This woman
00:47:53.440 reported something that actually happened, that there was a man who, I guess, says that he is a
00:48:00.260 woman walking around in the locker room, exposing himself to young girls. And he has actually been,
00:48:06.840 he's been charged multiple times with the same kind of crimes. And yet you have people who literally
00:48:14.780 would rather allow, would rather allow this kind of sexual harassment of young girls by a man 0.75
00:48:21.160 than criticize, than criticize him for fear of seeming transphobic. Again, like this is where
00:48:28.000 that, you know, intersectionality actually takes precedence for some people on the left over human
00:48:34.960 rights, especially children's rights. It's crazy. It's super crazy. And this is why I always say 1.00
00:48:40.100 when you oppose when we should, and we should all do this, by the way, when we oppose
00:48:44.100 the idea of letting biological men, even if they identify as women into women's locker rooms or 0.76
00:48:49.040 women's bathrooms, it has nothing to do with transgender people, right? It actually has nothing 1.00
00:48:53.040 to do with people with gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is a real thing. I'm sure it's an 1.00
00:48:56.920 incredible burden. I actually can't imagine what it feels like to feel that you are trapped in a body
00:49:01.140 that's not your own. It is a mental disorder and we should have tremendous, tremendous compassion
00:49:05.800 for people who suffer from that. That being said, compassion does not mean, compassion does not
00:49:10.940 translate into essentially enabling that delusion. Just as we don't tell schizophrenic people that the 0.58
00:49:16.760 voices that they hear in their head are real, we shouldn't be telling people that suffer from
00:49:20.720 gender dysphoria that what they're feeling is a legitimate feeling. We should be giving them the 1.00
00:49:25.280 medical care that they need. So that being the preface of what I'm about to say is that it's not
00:49:30.580 anti-trans to oppose allowing biological men, even if they identify as women, to enter women's
00:49:36.940 bathrooms. It's not about those people at all because most of the time, the egregious incidents
00:49:41.820 actually have nothing to do with people who suffer from gender dysphoria. The egregious incidents
00:49:46.320 are people who pretend to be trans, but they're actually voyeuristic perverts who are preying on
00:49:52.800 young girls. They are preying on children. They are betraying women's privacy. And so it's of course 1.00
00:49:59.820 appropriate for us all to say, hey, as women, as grown women, we don't want to share a locker room
00:50:05.220 with strange men. We don't want to see male genitalia when we're changing our clothes.
00:50:09.380 We don't want our children exposed to that. We don't want, God forbid, our little girl to see
00:50:13.620 something flashing before her eyes that belongs in a male's locker room. And we certainly don't want
00:50:18.760 to let them fall victim to child sex offenders who would use the guise of being transgender,
00:50:24.100 even when they're not, to enter a girl's locker room. So there's two entirely separate arguments to
00:50:29.560 be made. We can talk about gender being two genders, male and female, corresponding to your
00:50:34.040 body and your DNA and God's design. And then we can talk about the safety issue of bathrooms being
00:50:40.100 open to people of the opposite biological gender. That, of course, being redundant, I know. And it's
00:50:45.780 not anti-trans to talk about either. We should be standing up and protecting little girls.
00:50:50.900 Yep. I very much agree with you. That's something that we talk a lot about on this podcast and that
00:50:57.300 balance of saying, no matter your background and no matter how you identify, you're someone who's made
00:51:02.880 in the image of God, I want to talk to you. I want to have compassion for you. And I don't want to
00:51:07.380 purposely offend you or, you know, make you feel hated in any way. But look, in every policy,
00:51:14.800 especially when we're talking about policy and we're talking about public spaces, we have to talk
00:51:19.320 about both sides of the equation. We have to talk about, okay, how can we be compassionate to all
00:51:25.520 people? That means being compassionate towards the girls and women who are in these private and
00:51:31.520 vulnerable spaces who just a few years ago, we would have recognized have a right to not be
00:51:37.340 sexually harassed by men in those private spaces. I want to talk about one more story. And this is,
00:51:44.620 again, a pivot, but I guess I can connect it in the way of talking about false narratives. And I can
00:51:52.580 also connect it in the way of talking about a disregard for human life that we were talking about
00:51:57.700 in the first half of the episode. But this really more has to do with just propaganda. And you're
00:52:06.060 really good at dissecting propaganda. So I want to talk to you about this Rolling Stone story. I'm sure
00:52:12.120 you saw it reported on Ivermectin. And the Rolling Stone said they relied on one source from a guy who used to
00:52:24.160 work at a hospital in Oklahoma City. And this guy apparently told the Rolling Stone, hey, yeah,
00:52:31.180 our ICUs are full because people are overdosing on Ivermectin. And a statement was released by this
00:52:39.900 hospital, Northeastern Hospital System, that replied to the Rolling Stone article saying that this huge
00:52:45.560 thing that's happening in Oklahoma, you know, all these right wingers taking Ivermectin and almost
00:52:50.000 dying from it. While the Northeastern Hospital System says that, okay, yeah, this guy is not an
00:52:56.100 employee of our hospital system. He is affiliated with a medical staffing group that provides coverage
00:53:01.920 for our emergency room, but has not worked at the location that he was talking about in over two
00:53:07.540 months. And by the way, we have not treated anyone for an Ivermectin overdose. And so this story is
00:53:15.040 completely false. Well, Rachel Maddow talked about it on her show. She tweeted about it. She never
00:53:20.200 apologized. She did not take the tweet down. And the Rolling Stone just issued a correction, but not a
00:53:26.280 retraction, didn't take the tweet down. So now everyone is freaking out about this, pretending like
00:53:31.320 this story is true. It's not true. And guess what? Ivermectin has been used by millions and millions of
00:53:38.560 people for a very long time, very safely. So what is all this about? Yeah, I mean, you identified it
00:53:44.660 correctly at the beginning. It's propaganda. It's also really funny to me, and we'll get to the lies
00:53:49.320 from Rachel Maddow and the mainstream media for a second. It's really funny to me that the mainstream
00:53:53.020 media who claims, they claim, you know, leftists always claim to be the party of science. They keep
00:53:57.900 calling Ivermectin a horse dewormer or a horse medication. And there is a livestock version of this
00:54:04.660 drug. It's a more concentrated version. But Ivermectin won the Nobel Prize in 2015 as a human
00:54:10.840 medicine. So anybody who has identified any journalist, journalist, put that in quotation
00:54:15.140 marks, any journalist or mainstream media talking head or any news publication that's just referring
00:54:20.060 to Ivermectin as a livestock medication is deliberately lying to you. They're deliberately
00:54:25.020 misrepresenting this drug because it has a human form. And like I said, won the Nobel Prize in 2015
00:54:30.120 in its human form. Allie, it's been the strangest thing. I think you'll agree with this. It's been the
00:54:35.260 strangest thing the last 18 months to watch the devolution of our public health officials.
00:54:41.980 And they, of course, have harnessed the mainstream media to help them do their work to watch the
00:54:45.900 devolution of our public health officials from people of science who are just trying to, I guess,
00:54:51.440 help people. And I don't even want to ascribe that good of motives to them at this point because
00:54:55.340 they've lied to us so much. But the devolution into these political animals who are ignoring
00:55:00.460 science, ignoring studies, this Ivermectin, I have no idea if it works, by the way, against COVID-19.
00:55:06.360 I have no idea. I have not used it myself in that particular circumstance. However, the public health
00:55:11.700 conglomerate, if you will, is so opposed or they appear to be so opposed to any therapeutic that
00:55:18.800 someone could take after they contract COVID-19 that they are not willing to accept actual studies,
00:55:24.520 actual data of anything that works, and then incorporate that recommendation into their
00:55:30.680 overall advice on how to treat this pandemic. They are singularly focused on just pushing these
00:55:36.700 vaccines, which, again, I don't care if you get the vaccine. I don't care if you don't get the
00:55:40.280 vaccine. That's your personal choice. I don't think government or the private sector should be
00:55:43.600 involved here. Again, just people's personal choice, not my business, don't care. However,
00:55:48.640 the public health community doesn't feel the same way. They are singularly focused on coercing
00:55:53.740 everybody into doing that. And the only way that their narrative stands up is if they don't accept
00:55:58.920 that there's any other way to prevent COVID-19 from being fatal in cases where it would otherwise
00:56:03.800 be fatal. I think that's why they rejected at the beginning hydroxychloroquine. They've rejected
00:56:08.740 studies about vitamin D. They've rejected studies about obesity. They've rejected now this emerging data
00:56:14.260 on ivermectin. They don't really talk about monoclonal antibodies that much. They just are singularly
00:56:19.560 focused on this vaccine. So they have to use these mainstream outlets.
00:56:23.740 As propaganda to push the idea that all of this is hogwash, that any therapeutic aside
00:56:29.540 from the vaccine shouldn't be used. And as you said, it's resulting in lies and shame on all
00:56:35.260 these mainstream outlets for not confirming this before they echoed it and not retracting
00:56:39.880 it when it's been proven to be false, because it is false.
00:56:42.560 Yep. And I mean, I'm not recommending ivermectin either, only because I'm not a doctor and I've
00:56:47.760 never taken it. I have heard positive stories anecdotally, but I've also, I've listened to a lot
00:56:52.740 of doctors who expressed the same sentiments that you did, not just about ivermectin, but other
00:56:57.100 treatments that they're, that this is really unprecedented. One, that the bureaucrats, the NIH
00:57:02.460 and the CDC are trying to tell doctors on the ground what they can and can't do. When doctors
00:57:06.960 on the ground are like, hang on, Dr. Fauci has never treated a patient with COVID. People at the NIH and
00:57:11.900 the CDC are not treating patients with COVID. We should be telling the CDC and the NIH, these
00:57:17.100 doctors on the ground are saying what treatments are working. And then those institutions should
00:57:23.300 be distributing these protocols saying, Hey, here's what doctors on the ground are seeing.
00:57:28.740 Here's what has been effective. But instead, because they've politicized it so much, you and
00:57:34.080 they're telling doctors, Hey, it doesn't matter what you've experienced. And actually pretty much
00:57:38.820 calling doctors quacks who say, Hey, here's a list of, you know, therapeutics that have worked in my
00:57:44.300 personal experience. Doctors are saying I've personally saved lives. I've personally had
00:57:48.960 great outcomes from a, you know, a variety of treatments. Those people are getting censored off
00:57:54.360 of YouTube. Those people are getting, you know, lambasted by the mainstream media as some kind of
00:57:59.740 quacks when they're not, they're just ICU doctors. Like these are just people that are saving people's
00:58:04.320 lives. And it does make people wonder, I mean, what it makes people conspiratorial, whether you
00:58:09.760 like it or not, when you feel like, okay, why are they hiding legitimate information from legitimate
00:58:14.220 sources? It too, it sows distrust, as you've already said, in institutions that we're supposed to be
00:58:19.660 looking to for guidance in this situation, but it absolutely costs lives because then doctors on the
00:58:26.780 ground, because they're listening to these institutions, they're not treating patients the way that they
00:58:30.980 should be treating them, the way that experience and deductive reasoning tells them to treat them.
00:58:35.300 And people are literally dying because of politics. And yet you've got people on the left that are
00:58:39.700 accusing people on the right of politicizing this. No, no, no. The left has politicized every single
00:58:45.280 piece of this since they figured out that they could use it against Donald Trump in the election.
00:58:50.480 They haven't stopped. And it's become a religion for them that the tiers of holiness just get higher
00:58:56.520 and higher. At first, it was, you're super holy and loving your neighbor if you stay inside and you,
00:59:02.520 you know, don't go in to run the restaurant that you own or whatever. And then it was, okay,
00:59:07.320 you're only holy if you wear a mask everywhere, even outside when you're picnicking. Then it was,
00:59:11.420 you're only holy if you wear a double mask. And then it was, you're only holy if you get both
00:59:16.460 vaccines. And now it's, well, you're only going to be truly holy and loving your neighbor if you're
00:59:20.380 getting the booster. And so it just goes on and on. And it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter like how
00:59:26.100 much you point out the propaganda and the facts against so many of their arguments, whether it's
00:59:29.840 against masking kids or whether it's against, you know, natural immunity versus vaccine immunity.
00:59:35.320 Some people, it seems like, in our public health institutions, in the media, a lot of constituents,
00:59:41.740 millions of American citizens do not care about the facts. They are going to cling to this virus and
00:59:47.820 the so-called mitigation measures for as long as possible because it has truly become an identity for
00:59:53.480 them. And it's really sad. It's super sad. I mean, it's almost becoming a mental issue for a lot of
00:59:58.500 people, how they're hiding behind masks because they don't want to socially interact, how they're
01:00:02.580 letting fear dictate their lives, how they're, you know, rejecting facts just in favor of being docile
01:00:08.460 and compliant, deferential to government authorities. It's, it's not a great commentary actually on the,
01:00:14.160 on the citizenry of our nation. It's very sad to see. It's also very heartening to see how many
01:00:18.540 people are able to say, wait a second, I'm going to think for myself. I'm going to make my own
01:00:22.320 decisions. I'm going to read the studies myself. I'm going to draw conclusions myself. And if it
01:00:25.720 contradicts the government, I'm going to trust myself because I know better. That is very heartening
01:00:29.800 to see. Um, it is somewhat of a religion. It's certainly, I believe it's a government tactic at
01:00:35.280 this point to control us. I think the reason that we're seeing so much hysteria, even to this day,
01:00:40.820 is because without this hysteria at this point, without this hysteria, there's going to be no
01:00:45.740 justification for a lot of the electioneering that the Democrats need to win in 2022. There's
01:00:51.620 not going to be any justification for mail-in ballots for those 24 hour drop boxes for a lot
01:00:56.740 of the, uh, election laws or rules, I should say that were strong armed in the months leading up
01:01:02.060 to 2020. There's not gonna be any justification for those in 2022. And again, the Democrats need
01:01:06.780 them in 2022, unless there's this ongoing crisis. So I think it's certainly, if it wasn't always
01:01:12.280 political, it's certainly political now, which is why it behooves us all share the research,
01:01:17.420 share your experience, share what, you know, question authority. Oh, don't worry if someone
01:01:21.920 has a medical degree and you don't, you have reading comprehension, read those studies yourself,
01:01:25.800 talk to your friends about them and ultimately trust your gut and trust your own, trust your own
01:01:30.140 reasoning, because you're probably right. If you think that these government agencies are
01:01:33.560 misleading us, they have been for the last 18 months. Yeah. And that's not to say like you
01:01:37.340 mentioned, trust yourself. I'm not saying that, oh, I trust myself, um, ultimately as, uh, you know,
01:01:44.400 um, as a medical expert or a scientist, because I'm neither of those things. But like you said,
01:01:50.060 I have reading comprehension and I am looking at study after study talking about, for example,
01:01:54.640 that really kids wearing masks does not mitigate the spread of the virus at all. Um, or doesn't stop
01:02:01.060 the spread of the virus at all. And so I'm not just relying on a hunch that I have, I am reading,
01:02:06.440 like I'm not, and I'm not just reading like hollysholistics.com. Like I am reading peer
01:02:11.560 reviewed studies. I am looking at journals before all of this was politicized. Um, and I'm listening
01:02:17.040 to people that are on the ground, ICU doctors, biologists who are not conservatives most of the
01:02:22.900 time that have raised flags about, okay, why are we, why aren't we treating patients like this?
01:02:28.260 Why is there such a push on this particular vaccine and not on therapeutics at the same time?
01:02:33.920 Um, and so don't stop yourself from asking questions just because you have been lied to
01:02:40.040 that holiness and loving your neighbor means without question, accepting everything that the
01:02:46.620 government says. That's just not true. We're seeing what's happening in Australia when people don't
01:02:50.600 question the government. Right. And also remember too, if, I mean, if we're operating and living our
01:02:54.960 lives as we should be as Christians, you know, from this biblical standpoint, standpoint, God says to
01:02:59.660 love the Lord, your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind,
01:03:02.080 with all your strength. I mean, mind is included in that Bible verse for a reason. We're supposed to
01:03:06.920 critically think you're absolutely right. When you say we're not just operating on a hunch here.
01:03:10.080 When I say trust yourself, I mean, trust your ability as a thinking individual to put together
01:03:15.200 information, put together research and be able to logically draw a conclusion and then be able to
01:03:20.120 trust that conclusion because you have reading comprehension, you have understanding, you have
01:03:23.820 actual expert opinions weighing in. That's what I mean when I say trust yourself. And we should do that
01:03:29.280 because that is honoring God with our minds because we're made to be thinking individuals. We're not
01:03:34.000 made to be a bunch of sheep. We're not made to be just a docile citizenry that defers to government
01:03:39.580 officials just because they serve in government. We're a representative society. You know, our
01:03:44.280 republic is a representative republic. These government officials are either supposed to be
01:03:48.280 directly accountable to us if they're in our legislatures or they're supposed to be, I guess,
01:03:53.080 the bureaucrats are supposed to be accountable to the legislatures. That's a whole different
01:03:56.560 conversation about the administrative state and unaccountable bureaucrats serving in these
01:03:59.920 executive agencies. But the point is these people are not on a pedestal higher than us. We are not
01:04:05.940 their subjects. We are a cooperative, collaborative, representative type of government society when
01:04:12.940 it comes to governance. So our opinions matter. Our critical thinking matters. And the conclusions that
01:04:18.240 we draw do matter. Absolutely. And I could keep going on that. Like you said, there's a whole different
01:04:24.960 there's a lot of things in there that I could keep asking you out, but we've got to close out.
01:04:29.540 We'll definitely have you back to just talk about so much of the stuff that we didn't get to cover
01:04:34.360 today. But can you remind people once again where they can find you? Yeah, absolutely. This is so
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01:05:02.760 Wheeler. Ellie, this has been so much fun. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you so much, Liz.