Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 484 ｜ Bombshell on Dr. Fauci & the Wuhan Lab Explained ｜ Guest： Steve Deace

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week today.

00:00:14.540 In just a little bit, I'm talking to Steve Dace. You've heard him on the podcast at least a couple

00:00:19.040 times before. He is going to break down this bombshell report from a left-wing outlet called

00:00:25.060 The Intercept about the funding of gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab in China and how

00:00:34.140 possibly, probably, it's looking like Dr. Fauci actually lied before Congress when he said that

00:00:42.120 he was not directing the funding of this kind of very dangerous research in Wuhan that very well

00:00:51.280 could have led to the coronavirus outbreak. I mean, it's crazy, crazy. It does kind of seem like the

00:00:57.760 dam is breaking in some ways, and Steve Dace is going to break that all down. I do have a couple

00:01:02.880 other things to talk about before we get to that conversation in regards to COVID. And look, I

00:01:08.800 understand. I'm sometimes tired of talking about COVID. We took a long break. We decided not to talk

00:01:14.620 about COVID for several months because it just seems like there were other things going on,

00:01:19.660 and there was really nothing new to report. But now, over the past few months, it's kind of gotten

00:01:25.780 interesting again just because we are seeing some people on the left side of the aisle start to

00:01:32.040 question the mainstream narrative that this came from bat soup and that there was nothing that we

00:01:37.900 could do to treat it. And the only people that we should be listening to are the bureaucrats at the

00:01:43.220 NIH and the CDC who have never actually treated any patients, that Dr. Fauci can do no wrong,

00:01:49.000 that the only thing that we can hang our hats on is the vaccine, and everyone should absolutely be

00:01:55.520 forced to get the vaccine, that young children are dying in droves. All of this we have been told to

00:02:01.680 accept for a very long time. And if you question the mandates, if you bring up freedom, personal

00:02:06.980 liberty at all, if you bring up the economy, if you bring up other factors that maybe our politicians

00:02:12.220 and representatives should consider when they are deciding on public policy, you are called an

00:02:18.620 anti-vaxxer, you are called an anti-masker, you're called a conspiracy theorist who just wants old

00:02:24.780 people to die. Never mind the fact that governors like Andrew Cuomo and other Democratic governors

00:02:30.260 actually enforced policy that allowed older elderly hospital patients who tested positive for coronavirus

00:02:40.060 to be placed back into nursing homes before they actually recovered, spreading COVID and killing

00:02:46.520 thousands of elderly people in New York and in other states where this happened. We had to ignore

00:02:52.920 that. And instead, COVID and COVID policy has really just been used as a political tool to bludgeon half

00:02:59.760 the country or not even just conservatives. It's not just about your political affiliation, but really

00:03:05.860 anyone who questions the mainstream dogma on all of this. You got censored a year ago if you were

00:03:12.580 talking about, hey, maybe this was actually a lab leak from Wuhan and now it's come out, yeah, it was 0.56

00:03:18.260 probably most likely a lab leak. Like this probably didn't happen naturally in nature. I mean, you got

00:03:25.820 your YouTube videos taken down, you got kicked off Twitter. If you were talking about the possibility

00:03:32.640 of something other than natural origins being the start of this disease. And you certainly have been

00:03:41.060 written off as a kook if you are a doctor who is actually treating patients who have who has talked

00:03:45.740 about any kind of therapeutic other than the vaccine. I mean, we are talking about doctors who I

00:03:52.060 think are raising very legitimate questions asking, hang on, why are people in these bureaucratic

00:03:58.040 entities at the NIH and the CDC dictating what doctors on the ground are doing rather than the

00:04:04.080 other way around? Dr. Fauci has never actually treated a COVID patient. Shouldn't we be listening

00:04:09.020 to, for example, these ICU doctors who are saying, OK, here's the protocol that I've actually used on

00:04:15.300 patients that I've actually seen work? These are doctors who are certainly not anti-vaccine and

00:04:20.720 they're probably not even anti-COVID vaccine, but they're just saying, hey, there are therapeutic

00:04:25.480 options that have worked. I mean, we've seen such an assault on something like ivermectin. And like I

00:04:31.960 said yesterday, I am not promoting ivermectin. I've never taken ivermectin. I have personally never

00:04:37.600 recommended that someone with COVID take ivermectin. I'm not saying that. I'm not a doctor. I am not

00:04:42.720 trying to tell you to get medical advice from me. I am saying that there is a legitimate debate to be

00:04:49.680 had around ivermectin and around other kinds of therapeutics that is not being had. Instead,

00:04:57.640 it is just being written off as exclusively horse paste or a dewormer in dogs and horses and is not

00:05:05.340 considering that it actually has been. A form of ivermectin has been used on millions of people

00:05:11.120 throughout the world, yes, to treat parasites, but some doctors, and again, I'm not even endorsing this.

00:05:16.420 I'm just saying there are some doctors who have treated their patients with this who have said,

00:05:21.540 okay, yes, it is primarily an anti-parasite drug, but it also has these properties that are actually

00:05:27.740 helping people recover from COVID. I'm just saying maybe we should also listen to people

00:05:32.380 that have actually treated people. I'm just saying maybe we should have an open debate and people

00:05:37.720 shouldn't be scared. Doctors on the ground who are treating their patients shouldn't be scared to

00:05:42.640 come forward and say, here's my experience. Here's what I have done to try to save people's

00:05:47.560 lives. Maybe those people shouldn't be censored. Maybe we should be allowed to listen to those

00:05:51.740 people. Maybe their testimonies before Congress shouldn't be taken off YouTube. By who? Okay,

00:05:56.640 I don't have medical expertise. I'm not pretending to, but neither do the people at YouTube.

00:06:01.320 What do they know? And again, why is the CDC dictating YouTube policy that is then dictating what you

00:06:07.820 and I can hear from doctors who have actually treated patients with COVID? It doesn't make

00:06:13.060 any sense until you see that I'm not saying all public health policy or all push for vaccines or

00:06:20.480 all push for masks has to do with control. I'm not saying that's everyone's motivation who is

00:06:27.420 pushing for those things. I am not. As I've said many times, I am not an anti-vaccine person. I'm not

00:06:34.020 even in every single situation, anti-wearing a mask. I am pro looking at the data. I am pro

00:06:41.280 common sense. I am pro debate. I am pro listening to actual experts, not just bureaucrats. That's what

00:06:48.660 I am pro. And yes, I am pro liberty when it comes to a lot of the policies that just don't seem to

00:06:57.600 align with actual mitigation of the spread of COVID, as we've talked about many times. And I am,

00:07:06.020 I am, I will say, I am hopeful that maybe the dam is breaking in some ways. You know, we talked and

00:07:13.180 have talked several times about how the science just does not support kids wearing masks. And the

00:07:19.220 counter that I typically get to that is, well, kids can get COVID. Yes, kids can get COVID. Kids are

00:07:24.560 less at risk of dying from COVID than the 40 year old who has been fully vaccinated. As we talked

00:07:30.700 about and cited our source on last week, kids are still at very low risk. And still you get the CDC

00:07:38.160 coming out and saying, oh, you know, the, the rate of deaths, pediatric deaths from COVID are much

00:07:43.880 higher. They say that, but then when you actually click on the link, they tweeted about this and Matt

00:07:50.200 Walsh actually pointed this out that we'll know the rate isn't actually higher. The overall number

00:07:55.800 is higher, but the rate itself isn't higher that even with the Delta variant, we're not seeing kids

00:08:01.800 get sicker than usual. What we are seeing is a surge of RSV. And so some kids, unfortunately, very sadly

00:08:08.340 are dying from RSV. RSV is much more serious statistically for young kids, especially infants under the age of

00:08:15.500 six months, six months than COVID is. Some of those kids are going to the hospital, going to the ICU

00:08:20.880 and dying from RSV. They happen to be testing positive for COVID. They could be asymptomatic as

00:08:27.580 far as COVID goes, but they're getting a serious case of RSV. And yet those kids are still counted

00:08:32.240 as COVID cases. How do I know this? Because if you actually look at the statistics from the CDC on

00:08:37.740 pediatric deaths, what you will see is that there have been a little over 400 kids who have died,

00:08:43.340 their words, with COVID. So that means we don't know if they died of COVID. They just died with COVID.

00:08:50.540 And so all of these things are things to consider. And I am hopeful that, like I said, that the dam is

00:08:55.520 breaking and that people are realizing that a lot of the policies that we have implemented in the U.S.

00:09:02.220 to try to, quote, mitigate the spread of COVID among kids is not actually founded in any real logic or

00:09:09.740 data that a lot of it has to do with control. A lot of it has to do with fear-based reflexes. A lot of it

00:09:15.760 has to do with teachers' unions. We already know the teachers' unions have dictated some of what the CDC

00:09:21.320 has tried to set as policy. We are the only developed nation that I know of that requires kids to wear

00:09:27.960 masks as young as two. You're not going to see that in Australia where there are very strict measures for

00:09:33.660 COVID. You don't see that in the U.K. You don't see that anywhere in Scandinavia. You don't see that

00:09:38.760 in the Netherlands. You really don't see that anywhere because even the WHO says that, you know,

00:09:45.300 you're not supposed to mask kids under the age of five. And yet for some reason in the United States,

00:09:50.940 we have pushed it down to babies, babies wearing masks. And some people thankfully are waking up to

00:09:58.820 how ridiculous that is. We already quoted the New Yorker, which is a left-wing, it's a left-wing 0.86

00:10:04.960 publication that a couple of weeks ago came out, looked at the CDC study that shows that mask

00:10:10.400 mandates at schools is not making any difference whatsoever in the lowering the spread of the virus.

00:10:28.820 There was another article in The Atlantic, which I would say is center-left. I think it sometimes

00:10:34.960 it has some, you know, it allows for more conservative takes on things, but I certainly

00:10:38.700 would not call it a conservative outlet. And they had an article run on September 2nd by Vinay Prasad

00:10:48.780 that says the downsides of masking young students are real. It goes through what we've already talked

00:10:55.180 about, that we really aren't seeing kids get sicker from the Delta variant than from the original

00:11:01.160 variant. And says this, no scientific consensus exists about the wisdom of mandatory masking rules

00:11:07.480 for school children. The World Health Organization, as we already stated, which recommends that children

00:11:12.100 12 and older wear masks under the same circumstances that adults do, specifically advises against masking

00:11:17.940 kids age five and younger. Many European nations have been taking the agency's advice. But for

00:11:25.120 some reason, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the CDC here in the United States calls for kids

00:11:30.360 age two and up to wear a mask. And as the author of the New York Magazine article noted, that author

00:11:38.980 tried to reach out to the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics asking, hey, what's your data?

00:11:44.180 Like, what's your science behind kids two years old wearing masks? And they didn't respond. They sent some,

00:11:51.200 you know, some PDF about, oh, well, you know, kids can't get the vaccine yet. And so they need to wear

00:11:57.600 masks. I don't understand the motivation behind this. If it's not science. Is it really just some

00:12:04.020 sociopathic need for control? I truly can't relate to that. I've talked to my husband about that. People

00:12:09.580 who just want control, who just want power for the sake of having power and for the sake of having control

00:12:17.080 over other people's lives. First of all, that's a telltale sign of an abuser. I'm talking about these

00:12:22.280 bureaucrats, sociopaths who just want power for the sake of power. I just can't relate to that. 0.85

00:12:27.640 That's why one reason why I find it so ridiculous when people say, oh, pro-lifers just want power over

00:12:32.700 women's choices. No, I don't. No, I don't. I don't care what you do as long as you're not 1.00

00:12:38.100 killing a child. Yeah, then I care. I feel an obligation to speak up for the voiceless. But I truly

00:12:45.060 don't understand what could be the motivation behind, if it's not science, two-year-olds wearing

00:12:50.500 masks against all reason, against all data that we have, unless it's just this sick obsession with

00:12:57.680 controlling people. I really don't understand. And I do think that there is this kind of

00:13:02.740 propaganda push. It's a little subliminal right now. They're making the preliminary case that

00:13:10.460 children should also be forced to be vaccinated. And so they're talking about pediatric hospitalizations,

00:13:18.300 leaving out the context of why kids are actually being hospitalized. They're talking about COVID cases

00:13:25.320 rising among students, and they're talking about the masks. And they're also talking about how the

00:13:33.000 people who are unvaccinated are harming the kids under the age of 12 who haven't been vaccinated yet.

00:13:40.260 When again, that just doesn't make sense. They're really not at risk. Statistically,

00:13:45.140 they're not at risk of getting serious cases of COVID and dying from COVID. Really, like I said,

00:13:52.220 they are less likely to die from COVID than the fully vaccinated person over the age of 30.

00:13:58.200 So this idea that those who are not vaccinated are the ones that are hurting those who are vaccinated,

00:14:06.160 it really just doesn't make sense. Knowing what we know, if the vaccine is effective at all,

00:14:13.300 even if it's losing some efficacy, if it is effective, the way that we've been told that it's

00:14:17.140 effective to prevent you from getting seriously ill. But if you can still get COVID, and you can still

00:14:25.840 spread COVID, if you're vaccinated, then number one, how do you know that it's the unvaccinated 1.00

00:14:31.480 getting people sick, if you can still get and spread COVID? And number two, why do you care?

00:14:36.800 If the vaccine works, then why do people who are vaccinated, if I'm vaccinated, why do I care if

00:14:42.080 you give me COVID? Because if I believe that my vaccine works, then I shouldn't care whether or not

00:14:49.380 you choose to get vaccinated or not. Like, it doesn't make sense. It's all you'll use as this

00:14:54.220 political bludgeon against people that you disagree with, and people that you want to try

00:15:03.940 to demonize. And yet, as we have mentioned many times, this is not, I know the New York Times and

00:15:11.820 CNN, they want you to think that it's only, you know, white evangelical Trump supporters who are not

00:15:17.980 getting the vaccine. And yes, I think that probably makes up a good proportion of people not getting the

00:15:22.880 vaccine. But the lowest vaccination rate that we have by race is they're Black Americans. And I'm

00:15:30.260 not condemning that at all. I think it's your choice. But people should probably keep in mind when you're

00:15:35.060 talking about the unvaccinated being scum and not being able to get the health care that they need if 0.98

00:15:41.100 they get sick and not being allowed into certain spaces. As for example, journalist Max Boot has argued 0.99

00:15:47.800 for that everyone needs a smartphone with their vaccination status on an app on it. Like, you are

00:15:54.260 talking about disproportionately discriminating against Black Americans because disproportionately

00:15:58.780 they're unvaccinated. That's just the truth. And here's one trick that I have seen the media do

00:16:05.240 when they're talking about vaccination rates. So they'll go through all of the races to say who has

00:16:12.680 not been vaccinated. And the only subcategory that they will use is white evangelicals. So they won't 0.73

00:16:18.720 talk about the subcategory of Asian evangelicals or Black evangelicals. They'll say, okay, here's the 0.56

00:16:23.900 vaccination rate amongst Asians, which is, by the way, highest of any group in the country, by the way.

00:16:29.200 Here's the vaccination rate among Hispanic people. Here's the vaccination rate among Black people.

00:16:35.580 Here's the vaccination rate among white evangelicals. Why white evangelicals? Because it helps them 0.99

00:16:41.920 make their case, because I guess there is a greater proportion of white evangelicals who haven't been

00:16:46.520 vaccinated than Black Americans as a whole. And so again, you see how this is just used as a political

00:16:53.640 tool. And it's really just, it's such a shame that all of this is being politicized, that some people

00:16:58.740 won't let go of the so-called mitigation measures because it has become a measure of holiness for them.

00:17:05.960 And it's become a way to tell other people that they really love their neighbor, that they're really

00:17:10.860 compassionate and that other people who don't wear two masks and don't get three vaccines and don't

00:17:16.520 keep their kids home from school and don't double mask their two-year-old are unholy. It's really such

00:17:23.100 a shame that we have allowed these things to become symbols of virtue. And again, I'm not saying that we

00:17:30.000 shouldn't take any measures or that you shouldn't personally take any measures. You might feel compelled

00:17:34.840 to get a third vaccine and that's all well and good, but you don't get to use that to call the rest 0.98

00:17:40.340 of the country bad or stupid or selfish when the data just isn't there to say that those things are 0.86

00:17:46.740 the only way to stop the spread of the virus and to try to encroach on other people's liberty. Other 0.99

00:17:53.160 people can read too. Like other people can look at data. I'm not saying that people should just rely on

00:17:59.060 their own hunches when it comes to public health, but other people can look at scientific data, can

00:18:05.800 look at the studies, can listen to doctors on the ground and make their own decisions. And if you're

00:18:09.860 not allowing for people to have liberty in that way, then I have to question whether or not you really

00:18:16.060 care about liberty at all. And I certainly think that for some people who want to put the strictest

00:18:20.800 restrictions on people in the name of public health truly don't care about liberty, not just in the

00:18:26.160 United States, but also around the world. All right. That was just a random monologue that I

00:18:31.520 wanted to get off my chest, but we're going to talk to Steve Dace again about this bombshell from

00:18:38.520 The Intercept. And he's got a lot to say as usual. It's going to blow your mind without further ado.

00:18:44.800 Here is Steve Dace.

00:18:46.160 Steve, thank you so much for joining us again. Every episode that you are on of Relatable, people

00:18:57.320 rave about. They're always some of our most popular episodes. So thank you so much for-

00:19:03.420 Well, thank you.

00:19:03.840 Yes. Thank you so much for talking about this. I just want to hear your whole take on The Big

00:19:09.400 Intercept story and what it all means. Well, I think the first thing we have to do is set

00:19:16.260 the context of who The Intercept is. I mean, Politico accused The Intercept back in 2019 of

00:19:22.500 trying to start a democratic civil war. It's kind of known for attacking the Democratic Party from

00:19:29.180 the left. It's an uber-progressive site. One of its co-founders is a sort of an Andrew Sullivan

00:19:35.360 type of gay activist named Glenn Greenwald. He ended up resigning from his own publication back

00:19:41.260 in 2019, I think it was, because they didn't want to print the truth about stuff, just Democratic Party

00:19:48.060 propaganda. And so now you see him on Tucker Carlson on a regular basis. So this is not a

00:19:56.140 right-wing publication. Allie, I would guess in you and I's combined careers, the amount of times we

00:20:01.360 have affirmatively cited The Intercept as an entity to base any of our show content off.

00:20:07.520 We can probably count on all of our single-hand digits here, appendages. So it's not something we

00:20:13.840 typically go to. This is from the other side. And what they found through a FOIA, Freedom of

00:20:19.780 Information Act, what they found through over 900 documents is that it's very clear that Anthony

00:20:25.580 Fauci and Francis Collins, head of the NIH and NIAID, that they, through a company called EcoHealth,

00:20:32.320 directly funded gain-of-function research that was occurring not just at the Wuhan Institute of

00:20:38.460 Virology, but at a third previously unknown lab where this was taking place specifically to inject

00:20:45.500 mice with bat coronaviruses in order to find out what would cause these things to spill over. That's a

00:20:52.340 term I use in Fauci and bargain when we talked about the Wuhan lab and we wrote this book. It

00:20:56.440 came out six months ago. It wasn't just the gain-of-function research. Everybody's focused

00:21:00.380 on that term, Allie, but it's the purpose of it. They were specifically provoking bat coronaviruses 0.62

00:21:06.760 to find out what would cause them to mutate into humans. They wanted to know this. So it's not just a

00:21:13.940 dangerous methodology, but the purpose of it as well. And I think the best analogy that I can give

00:21:19.100 is it's a little bit like not just testing an atom bomb on Bikini Island back in the 40s,

00:21:24.880 but actually leaving the people on the island in order to find out, hey, what would cause radiation

00:21:30.700 sickness and poisoning? Because remember this, more people live in Wuhan, China than live in all of

00:21:37.140 Israel or all of Sweden. It is more populated than the state of Michigan, and that's just the city of

00:21:43.400 Wuhan. And yet they were conducting these experiments, so dangerous, in a lab in such

00:21:48.540 a heavily, densely populated area. And Dr. Fauci lied about this, it seems like, before Congress,

00:21:54.800 correct? I don't see how there's any possible doubt that he is guilty of lying in perjury to Congress,

00:22:01.700 given the information that is in the intercept. The only way I would see that this would not be the

00:22:06.300 case is if they just manufactured these 900 documents, specifically the two, or the ones

00:22:13.020 that implicate the two agencies that he's a part of. Remember, NIH oversees Fauci's organization,

00:22:19.180 NIAID. Gotcha. And is anything going to happen to Dr. Fauci? Will he actually be held to account for

00:22:26.680 this, do you think? Well, I mean, this is the same thing we saw, whether it's the Brett Kavanaugh

00:22:31.440 hoax, the Russian collusion hoax. And I say this to my audience all the time, Allie, we are not a

00:22:36.280 nation of laws, and we never have been. We are a nation of political will, and we always will be.

00:22:42.600 Does anyone have the will to do something about this? And ultimately, that's, you know, that comes

00:22:49.180 down to not just when Democrats are in control, but, you know, we watched a Supreme Court justice's

00:22:55.280 character absolutely slammed and smeared with no evidence whatsoever. And even under the previous

00:23:00.780 Republican president, Julie Swetnick, who went on national TV and accused Brett Kavanaugh of being

00:23:05.620 a marauding gang rapist, she's still out walking the streets free as a bird, just as you and I are,

00:23:10.940 at least as free as you can be in COVID stand. So ultimately, that comes down to a question of 0.89

00:23:15.460 political will. Right. And I think that the political will, or at least some Republicans are

00:23:22.700 asserting to have the political will, but it does make you question, like, how deep does this

00:23:28.260 corruption and secrecy really go? How many people knew about this funding of the gain of function

00:23:35.860 research just didn't say anything about it? I mean, is the bureaucracy just out to protect the

00:23:41.960 bureaucracy, no matter whether they have an R or a D by them by their name? Is it really the people

00:23:47.500 against the system? Or are there some people in charge who actually care enough to push for

00:23:52.820 accountability? I think the answer to that question is clearly yes. The fact that a lot of regime or

00:23:59.300 state-approved media has completely ignored this report from a very left-wing publication,

00:24:05.920 I think that just answers your question as well. The fact that he faced no questions from

00:24:12.140 any legacy, talking about Anthony Fauci, from any legacy media apparatus that I'm aware of

00:24:19.140 yesterday during the news cycle, I think answers that question. Keep in mind, here's what's

00:24:24.180 fascinating about this. And I think this needs to be hammered home to audiences like yours and mine.

00:24:29.660 This is not, the virus doesn't care how you voted. Three of the top four states for deaths in America

00:24:35.800 are governed by Democrats. 11 of the top 20 states for deaths in America by COVID are governed by

00:24:41.440 Republicans. It doesn't care. Politicizing this doesn't matter. People are suffering right and left,

00:24:47.040 both from the virus, but then also from the mitigation efforts and the backside impact of

00:24:53.020 those like depression and suicides. Again, the tragedy doesn't care what your political stance

00:24:59.600 is. And the fact is that the two major media entities that have provided us the greatest and

00:25:05.480 most thorough glimpse of the true origins of the virus are both from the left. It was Vanity Fair

00:25:10.660 earlier this year and now from The Intercept. And yet still, and this is why I don't think

00:25:15.880 things are just as simple anymore as our right-left paradigm that we're used to.

00:25:20.400 This is what you just said. It's really the system and what I call a spirit of the age and a certain

00:25:25.520 narrative versus really the people of Western civilization. And that's why you're seeing certain

00:25:31.120 things, even if they come from the left. I mean, right now the Biden administration is drowning

00:25:35.660 in its COVID policy. Tomorrow it plans on launching a new initiative for how to confront Delta variant.

00:25:41.460 In a normal political environment, they would have blamed their lack of success and the waning efficacy

00:25:48.820 of these vaccines from what we saw in the human trials. They would have found a scapegoat. They

00:25:53.240 would have used a story like The Intercept to blame it on Anthony Fauci. They'd have thrown him

00:25:57.420 under the bus by now in order to save their own political hides, brought somebody else in who was

00:26:02.840 newer and shinier and started over. That's what a Bill Clinton would have done. That's what a lot of

00:26:08.100 politicians would have done up until this most recent era, where it's very clear that something

00:26:13.300 is happening in our culture beyond the normal ebbs and flows of politics. This is cosmic. This

00:26:19.740 is spiritual. And I think that you can see that even when people will not act in their own political

00:26:24.840 self-interest, something else is occurring here.

00:26:35.880 It's very strange how many different levels there are to this. And some of them seem specific to

00:26:42.220 America. Some of them don't. Obviously, we've seen draconian lockdowns elsewhere, especially in

00:26:47.520 Australia. And yet Australia is a little strange because at the same time, we've seen Australian news

00:26:53.040 outlets actually try to dig into the origins of coronavirus in the way that the mainstream media

00:26:58.000 here in the United States simply have not. And yet at the same time, they are basically reverting

00:27:04.940 back to their original police state by locking people down because of, you know, one case or one

00:27:12.540 death. And then also they are not forcing kids under the age of 12 to wear masks. They are following

00:27:19.700 the WHO's guidance on that. And yet here in the United States, two-year-olds are supposed to wear

00:27:24.380 masks. And so actually, it seems like even though there are some states in the U.S. that have allowed

00:27:30.160 some freedom for their citizens, it really seems like a lot of the confusion, a lot of the politicization

00:27:37.860 of all of this, a lot of the just lack of logic and correlation to any real data is specific to the U.S.

00:27:47.380 And it reminds me of something that you said. I talked to you on the show after January 6th,

00:27:52.800 and I remember you saying that there is something strange going on in this country. And the minds of

00:28:00.000 a lot of people in this country, they just don't want to know the truth. Like they just don't want

00:28:04.860 to see the truth about things. And I just, that stuck with me because I think it's true. What do you

00:28:10.140 think that is? Why do you think so many people are afraid of looking at what's happening in the United

00:28:16.460 States, especially as it comes to the kinds of policies and the terrible reporting that we've

00:28:20.500 seen surrounding all of this? Let me just put a finer point on the fine point that you just made.

00:28:26.160 When, if I want to get data for vaccinated versus unvaccinated, for example, I got to go to

00:28:30.940 the Israeli dashboard and translate Hebrew. I have to go to the United Kingdom dashboard. I can't get

00:28:37.180 that from my own CDC here in the United States. Most states won't even let you go on their own

00:28:43.380 Department of Health dashboards and let us know what that data indicates. A few do like Oregon.

00:28:49.540 And what they're showing is about one out of four hospitalizations are unvaccinated. But over and

00:28:54.660 over again, I've had to, over the last 18 months now of going down this COVID stand rabbit hole,

00:29:00.280 I've had to use countries like Denmark and others to actually get real data that I have not been able

00:29:05.720 to get from my own country, at least not at the same speed that other countries are offering it.

00:29:10.880 And I think the greatest example of what you're talking about is Sweden. You know, it was,

00:29:15.100 it was not maybe 10, 15 years ago, early in my career, moving from sports to politics. I did a

00:29:20.840 debate in Wichita, Kansas. This was during the Occupy movement and I debated an occupier and his

00:29:27.120 entire point was he wanted America to be more like Sweden. My whole career in this business,

00:29:32.200 I've heard lefty say Sweden is what America needs to be more like. And now you can't, you can't get a lot

00:29:37.720 of these people to acknowledge at least ones in the network in legacy media. It's like Sweden does

00:29:43.280 not exist. Sweden has reported a total of 42 COVID deaths this summer, the whole summer. That's what

00:29:51.420 they've reported. And it's the least masked country in Europe. They are undergoing a vaccination

00:29:56.500 surge right now, but they're barely over 50% of their population vaccinated. They never did mass

00:30:02.720 lockdowns last year, as everyone knows, like the rest of the world did. And so I really believe,

00:30:07.760 and I used a phrase earlier here with you, and it's what I use on my program frequently.

00:30:12.740 I believe that you're seeing a spirit of the age at work and this level of deception, this level of

00:30:18.620 double-mindedness where you walk into a room and when a, when a room is chloroformed, you can't

00:30:23.680 breathe. It has no oxygen. And that's really what's happened to the truth in our culture. It's been

00:30:28.640 chloroformed. It's like absent. We're not immoral either. We're like amoral. It's like absent any

00:30:33.620 standards, absent any objective reasoning or truths. To me, that's all demonic. And I use the

00:30:39.800 phrase spirit of the age as sort of a colloquialism to kind of describe basically the physical

00:30:46.100 manifestation of what I really believe is the demonic intrusion and invasion of our culture.

00:30:52.480 And people, I guess, how do you, the question is, how do you know when you're being deceived? You

00:30:57.460 don't. That's the nature of deception. But even trying to wake people up by saying, you know,

00:31:03.140 for example, I went back and forth with a pediatrician who listens to the show, very kind

00:31:07.900 woman who was upset when I was talking about the different studies that show that, hey, kids don't 0.97

00:31:12.420 really need to be wearing masks. And a bunch of our peer countries don't force kids to wear masks.

00:31:17.260 The WHO, which I think is a corrupt organization, even says that kids under five should absolutely not

00:31:22.360 be wearing masks. And, you know, here's the data. Let's look at the different, you know, the

00:31:27.920 different statistics supporting this assertion that kids shouldn't wear masks. And, you know,

00:31:33.100 she came to me and she was very upset about this. And so I said, OK, what contrary data kind of do you

00:31:39.420 have? Do you have to support your argument that kids as young as two should be wearing masks? This is

00:31:44.480 someone who is a Christian, a conservative, and she did not have any. What she kept on coming back with

00:31:49.700 is, well, you know, kids are getting it or kids can spread it to older people. And I kept on trying

00:31:56.060 to go back to, OK, but what does that have to say about masks? Are you telling me that you've seen

00:32:00.880 data that masks work? And she just kept avoiding the question. And what I realized is that people

00:32:05.440 who accepted at the very beginning that everyone has to be masked, they cannot let that go because

00:32:11.600 it's just become a part of some people's worldview. It's become, for some people, a religion,

00:32:17.260 an outward sign of their virtue that it does not matter. It doesn't matter how much data you show

00:32:23.420 them, especially now when it pertains to the vaccines. That's another tier of holiness that

00:32:27.140 people feel like they have accomplished and they can use to bludgeon, you know, the unholy people

00:32:32.220 who don't get the vaccine. They won't let it go. And that's what I fear, that this is truly never

00:32:37.420 ending, because like religious zealots, we've got about half of the country that is clinging to this 0.71

00:32:43.700 stuff and no data can change their mind. What you just described, to use an old-fashioned

00:32:48.640 stained glass window term, that's classic idolatry. Right. If you walked into this pediatrician's

00:32:54.460 office and demanded that she remove the spleen of your child and said that the spleen and pointed to 1.00

00:33:03.480 your child's arm and said, hey, my child has a really bad sore on their arm. That's their spleen.

00:33:10.200 Remove the spleen from their arm. She would say, ma'am, sir, your child's spleen is not in their

00:33:16.340 arm. You don't know what you're talking about. She would, she would maybe take you to an anatomy 0.80

00:33:20.120 book. She would show you an objective framework to prove to you that your psychosis, your fear is

00:33:27.200 not rational, is not backed by any reason, science, or data that your child doesn't need their spleen

00:33:32.580 removed because they have a sore on their arm. Right. That's, that's what she would do in another 1.00

00:33:36.960 context. And yet, when it comes to this symbol, this talisman, she reverts to a form of humanistic,

00:33:45.580 emotion-driven dogma, sentiment that isn't backed by any of that objective information

00:33:51.080 whatsoever. It's the same thing you get when you, this is why I said earlier, the, the traditional

00:33:57.740 Venn diagram here doesn't add up because I used to go after, um, you know, lefty physicians that would

00:34:04.320 come on my local show back in the day and argue for abortion. And, and they would say, and I would 0.54

00:34:09.360 say, well, how do you know when life begins? And they had no answer for me. And I said, how come

00:34:13.080 when you walk into an OR, you accept objective truth? You understand that you cannot operate on

00:34:19.980 the patient based on what you think the patient's anatomy is, but instead what the anatomy actually

00:34:25.880 is. And if you act on your own instinct, as opposed to objective truth, you're going to kill

00:34:30.320 someone and be sued out of business. But when I ask you a point blank question, does that being

00:34:34.640 with a heartbeat, is that person alive? You can't answer that when there's no more objective standard

00:34:40.280 for determining life or death of a human on this planet than the existence of a heartbeat. It's

00:34:45.540 because there's idolatry there and there is no objective reason or data that you can get to reason

00:34:51.980 with people that ultimately is a spiritual problem. And a lot of our people are in the grips of this.

00:34:59.220 They don't want to let this go. This has provided a form of meaning. It also shows,

00:35:03.640 hey, was I had, was I fooled by something? That's, this is the amount of idolatry that is at work and

00:35:10.420 at stake here. It's, it is absolutely breathtaking. And when it comes to kids, let me throw this stat

00:35:16.540 at your audience. This will blow your minds. Okay. Last month, CDC reported a little over 400

00:35:23.900 children had died so far. A little over 400 minors had died so far with COVID. And now keep in mind,

00:35:30.760 that just means that when they died, they tested positive for COVID. It doesn't mean it was the

00:35:34.800 underlying cause of their death, but we'll count them over just a little over 400 children died.

00:35:40.320 About a week later, NASA announced that a meteor, there was the odds of a meteor coming to earth and

00:35:49.020 creating an extinction level event in the year 2300. I ran the math on this. Now this is data from two

00:35:55.960 government organizations. All right. There is, Ali, 12,000 high percent odds higher that a meteor will

00:36:04.280 strike the earth and create an extinction level event in the year 2300, according to NASA. Then there is

00:36:11.420 a child in America will die with COVID according to CDC, 12,000% odds higher, 12,000%. The data here,

00:36:23.220 and when you point this out to people, their reactions all too often demonstrate right away,

00:36:29.900 it's a, it's, it's a withering, it's a winnowing fork, you know, right away, who is still open for

00:36:34.600 business when it comes to reason and data. And then who is closed off because of idolatry right before

00:36:39.640 you and I began taping Robert F. Kennedy jr. Noted leftist said that at this point, if we continue

00:36:46.800 on with COVID stand, we're going to kill all critical thinking in America. And I thought to

00:36:50.180 myself, I cannot believe this. I've, I've lived long enough to see everything. I, when I was state

00:36:55.440 are going to both be ranked top 10 teams on Saturday, never thought I'd see that in my home state.

00:36:59.040 And now I'm like, amen to RFK jr. But that is, that's where we are right now.

00:37:05.480 Yeah. And that's surprising, you know, not just on, on politics. He says several things. I would say

00:37:10.660 that probably you disagree with, and I disagree with, but anyone who says that critical thinking

00:37:15.920 is going to die either a slow or a swift death is absolutely true. That pronouncement is true.

00:37:21.540 There are a lot of things that I want to keep talking to you about, but with the limited time

00:37:34.140 that we have left, I'm wondering based on the data that we have, especially like you said,

00:37:38.320 data coming out of Israel that shows that natural immunity is much better, much stronger than the

00:37:44.260 immunity that we are seeing from the vaccine. Knowing that bit of information and knowing what

00:37:48.800 you know about theology, I would love to hear your reaction to David French's article from a

00:37:55.100 couple of weeks ago that says, you know, if you don't get the vaccine, you are not loving your

00:38:01.260 neighbor. You are selfish. And I think basically came out in favor of at least employer level

00:38:07.840 vaccine mandates. What's your take on that?

00:38:10.200 I make it a, just a policy in general to mute, ignore, and tune out anyone who makes a moral

00:38:20.880 liberty-based case for mentally ill men dressing as women and, uh, and grabbing stripper poles in 0.67

00:38:29.720 front of children and twerking in front of them at a public library. Let me, let me specify that 0.67

00:38:35.700 really fast. So people know what you're talking about. What he is talking about is David French.

00:38:40.720 And I brought this up to David French as well. He said a couple of years ago, um, I think it was a

00:38:44.720 couple of years ago that basically the fact that a drag queen can do drag queen story hour in a library 0.99

00:38:51.000 is, um, a blessing of Liberty, but this is something we have to accept. Yes. We just have to accept that

00:38:57.920 contribution to delinquency of our minors. We just have to accept that. I think there's just some

00:39:02.800 things you say or do in life that until you acknowledge their repugnancy and make amends for

00:39:10.840 them, you just become automatically disqualified for being taken seriously. And I think that is

00:39:17.780 one of them. Now, if someone in general who hasn't made such an asinine and absurd claim has a question

00:39:25.040 along those lines, this would be my answer. If you look at the 10 command, first of all, the first

00:39:30.200 commandment, all right, is to love the Lord. You're the greatest commandment. Jesus says the Lord,

00:39:34.820 love the Lord, your God, while I heart, soul, mind, and strength. So that comes first in order to do

00:39:40.120 that. How do I do that? Well, a key component of that is faithful obedience. Jesus says, why do you

00:39:45.340 call me Lord? If you do not do what I say, if you look at the commandments, they include things like

00:39:50.920 don't bear false witness. Um, they include things like don't turn, don't fashion false gods.

00:39:57.520 All right. The vaccines do still, even in their waning efficacy, I'm confident enough to say

00:40:04.040 that it will lessen the risk of you. If you get it, you, you yourself, you yourself of contracting a

00:40:12.060 severe reaction to COVID nowhere near what they promised us in the human trials last year.

00:40:17.980 But I still say, particularly if you have no natural immunity, meaning you've not had it before

00:40:22.020 and recovered that you would be given additional benefit. However, we have, we have, Ali, in the

00:40:28.380 month of August, we had 4 million, I'm sorry, 3 million more cases in the United States for COVID

00:40:33.400 than we had last August. Did you hear me right on that? 3 million more cases this August than last

00:40:39.700 August. CDC director herself admits, Rochelle Walensky, that they do not provide efficacy,

00:40:45.800 transmission efficacy any longer. Meaning you're not really doing much of anything, getting

00:40:50.280 vaccinated and stopping you from spreading it to someone else. Therefore, this whole idea of,

00:40:55.380 of loving my neighbor as I love myself, that is not what these, these are therapeutics. They are not

00:41:00.520 magical elixirs that immunize you against transmission. All the data real time shows this.

00:41:06.480 Our own CDC director is admitting this. Israel is seeing its greatest case explosion ever. And over

00:41:13.180 about 80% of everyone over the age of 16 has been fully vaccinated with two doses of Pfizer in the

00:41:19.100 nation of Israel. So even what he's asserting from a premise standpoint doesn't line up with data. He

00:41:25.180 and others who make this claim are breaking the commandment against bearing false witness. They

00:41:31.160 are claiming something in the public square that is clearly not true. And, and then you have to

00:41:36.800 question the motivations for doing so. And one could just be, they're just deceived or deceivers

00:41:42.260 themselves. The other could be, they have turned this process of looking virtuous or the vaccines

00:41:48.080 or the masks into their own, they fashion them into their own idols. And if that is the case,

00:41:53.000 then they have actually broken the second commandment, not to worship false gods. So do this for me. I

00:41:59.260 think this is a simple thing we could all agree to. Make sure you yourself are not currently breaking

00:42:05.740 any of God's commandments before you start giving other people advice on how to honor God.

00:42:12.560 That would be the whole log in your own eye, speck in the other person's eye principle. Well,

00:42:19.120 I hate to end there. There's so many other things I could ask you, but thank you once again for

00:42:22.960 breaking down things for us so clearly and in such a compelling way. Everyone needs to go out and buy

00:42:29.700 your book, The Fauci and Bargain. You're coming out with another book. You write books like every three

00:42:33.740 months, it seems like. And check out your show, The Steve Dace Show. Thank you, Ali. Always good to see

00:42:39.220 you. Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - September 08, 2021

Ep 484 ｜ Bombshell on Dr. Fauci & the Wuhan Lab Explained ｜ Guest： Steve Deace

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